Kiske and Deris are both great singers, but Eagle Fly Free was created for Kiske's voice, so, Deris don't sing this song so good as Kiske, but still a good version with him.
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Extraordinario......Kiske es y sera uno de los mejores vocals de la historia de Heavy Metal.....sino el mas carismatico y virtuoso....y los Keepers Albumes insuperables hazta el xia de hoy
Andy Deris is better than this.. con la composición más que nada.. 4 canciones de los keeper contra master of the rings, the time of the oath, better than raw, the dark ride, rabbit dont come easy, keeper the legazy, gambling y el 7 sinners.. pf cualquiera de estos álbumes le da por el culo a los keepers, por supuesto.
@LordFrankGarrett dude you are an idiot... kiske can still reach the high E with power and no strain at all... that was 20 years ago... now in 2010 he sings just as good or even better... Of course you dont know nothing... e.g. listen to Avantasia - Farewell and check the last part...
@124235346 I believe that Kiske is the best vocalist of all time, however, you can def hear his range fading during the chorus. Also name calling isn't a good way to prove a point....
@LordFrankGarrett ok sorry, just got upset because its absurd to say that just by watching a video! vocalists are not always at their 100%. check this song from 5:31 on, /watch?v=PGlr8_q6_3k also check his work with RR, like this one /watch?v=2r4ahIvko3c&feature=related those are very recent recordings and Michi is hitting the same notes, high D etc with no problem... soo thats my point...
@LordFrankGarrett Try this version of the same song, from the same tour (Bonn 1992): watch?v=XeH-EvshLx4. He nails all the high notes with a lot of power. Additionally check this video collection of his 2010 tour with Unisonic and Avantasia: watch?v=ZER58KQa8LQ
Since we're talking about German metal a Fritz Lang quote "the mediator between the hands and the brain is the heart." Weilkath was the brains, Ingo, Kiske, Marcus the hands, gettin the real work done. And Kai Hansen tied it altogether, the heart of the band. No band without Kai
@kobitsakis Kiske left Helloween in 1993, because Michael Weikath fired him. Weikath wanted to get Andi Deris into Helloween, so he blamed Kiske for the band's change of musical direction and the bad sales of Pink Bubbles Go Ape and Chameleon and fired him. Later on Weikath fired both Roland Grapow and Uli Kusch for similar reasons, but that's another story.
@kobitsakis Kiske has done several things since his exit from Helloween. He has released 4 solo albums, has participated on many projects and sang as a guest with many bands. He has also released 2 albums with the project Place Vendome: watch?v=ooigIExz_Io. Here are some of his best metal-related performances: watch?v=N6m0ZVzUhUQ.
Recently he recorded a duet album with Amanda Somerville, toured with the metal opera Avantasia and formed a new rock band named Unisonic: watch?v=AP2BAO-XFME
However, it is now that Helloween's greatness seems to be more visible as "Power Metal" became "official" genre and seeing many bands who doesn't fit into Heavy Metal or Thrash/Death Metal(like Helloween didn't during 80's) and plays good artistic musics. We can take a look at bands like Stratovarius, Hammerfall, Angra and Dragonforce(whom I hate), it is undeniable that Helloween was the one originated this sounds and feels.
Helloween is lot greater than people gave them credit for. During the 80's, band like Helloween was rare because were bit too heavy for Heavy Metal and yet they weren't Thrash Metal. Their theme and colors weren't as sinister as your typical metal bands and it that aspect, Helloween was truly unique band who not only didn't fit into mainstream norm nor in metal norm. But their popularity wasn't as big as bands like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest to Metallica and Megadeth.
@piluttapajo Just search for "Avantasia: Shelter From The Rain" and listen to 1:05 until 2:10 and to 5:04 for Kiske's vocs. Additionally, also search for "Michael Kiske - You Always Walk Alone", taken from his 2008 solo album Past In Different Ways.
What if Kai stuck with Helloween after the Keeper of the Seven Keys tour, and Kiske wasn't kicked out. A boy can dream huh. I didn't mind when Roland Grapow replaced Kai, but the band just didn't seem as good as.
Kiske Andi is past is the voice of Helloween ... garbage is a compare with tuning and tone ... andi has a much higher voice and tune that Kiske .. atoa that it is not until today in Helloween .. kiskie museum was already past ..
People say that Kiske has a high voice. He doesnt... André Matos speaks like a young girl when he speaks, but Kiske has a normal voice only he's so fucking strong in his singing engine that he can sing higher and longer and more dynamic than anyone anyway!
@Satanwillprevail Andre Matos does not sound anything like a young girl when he speaks. He has a very normal speaking voice. Where did you get THAT idea??
@halogamers He means people saying he talks with a high voice that that's why he's able to get that high and it's not true. He just has an amazing voice that's strong enough to get that high.
its mission impossible to find a bad performance of Kiske
jersmusicrecordings 6 days ago
Kiske and Deris are both great singers, but Eagle Fly Free was created for Kiske's voice, so, Deris don't sing this song so good as Kiske, but still a good version with him.
rodrigono456 1 week ago
yeaaaa!
timestom 1 week ago
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WATCH THE NEW VIDEO OF UNISONIC, the new band of MICHAEL KISKE and KAI HANSEN watch?v=2XR65ATnBWI
Benizha2011 1 month ago
michael weikath looks like the guy who plays Smeagol in the LOR movies.
mikeyjwf 1 month ago
@mikeyjwf That and Jim Breuer
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TomorrowsOutlook 1 month ago
fucking epic kiske
Alemaorugby2 1 month ago
terbaikk kiske
digetify 1 month ago
THE METAL HYMN!!!!!!!!! Kiske - made in Germany dudes!
Pallimberklimber 1 month ago
Kiske is the god of vocal
LordTrovo 2 months ago
個人的に思う史上最高のヴォーカリストマイケル・キスク!
こころから尊敬しています。
Helloweenの楽曲は小学生の僕にも深く突き刺さったことを鮮明に覚えています。
自分も楽曲を制作する身ですが今も彼らを追い求めているのかもしれません・・・
RealFrontier 2 months ago
@RealFrontier I'm Totally agree
kzumoable 4 weeks ago
yes, voice of Kiske is in one word " perfect" . Supeb vibrato, voice strength, etc. I think that will singinng with opera vocals very easy
STUDIO3STAR 2 months ago
there`s alot of Dick-in-son comments around, damn pedophiles
joniiboy 3 months ago
Extraordinario......Kiske es y sera uno de los mejores vocals de la historia de Heavy Metal.....sino el mas carismatico y virtuoso....y los Keepers Albumes insuperables hazta el xia de hoy
MsMrkaspar 3 months ago
KISKE = GOD
GuiWinckler2 4 months ago 2
kiske = God
Rob Rock = semiGod
Dickinson= disciple
TheSuperthy 4 months ago
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Andre Matos > Kiske>
But
Dickinson > ALL
wellcarbone 4 months ago
@wellcarbone You really need to watch the following video & reconsider - Kiske & Matos comparison: watch?v=-bCGlH_zYDg
apati80 4 months ago 2
ele errou em 2:23 da musica
lucascrito 5 months ago
@lucascrito ele não errou. a voz dele quebrou apenas. acontece =/
LucasFerreiraRhoads 4 months ago
Kiske is the only singer, no Andi Deris >_<
15giada 5 months ago
A real great voice (listen when he announce the song...you can hear it !!!!). Great Michael and perfect with that band and those songs.
carpediemcat1969 5 months ago
Foda!
alexcoimbra 5 months ago
lol... ok, I must agree, Kiske is better. Much better.
diegorigamonte92 6 months ago
2 people never fly free
CraigKruegger 6 months ago
mui buena rolaaa de wevs para hacer mas ameno mi kamino \o/ !!
taykatvainilla 6 months ago
Andy Deris is better than this.. con la composición más que nada.. 4 canciones de los keeper contra master of the rings, the time of the oath, better than raw, the dark ride, rabbit dont come easy, keeper the legazy, gambling y el 7 sinners.. pf cualquiera de estos álbumes le da por el culo a los keepers, por supuesto.
TheLoquy333 6 months ago
@TheLoquy333 no words. andy deris sux, you can't be serious my friend! he composes a lot, so? a lot of shit ;)
cicocrespo 6 months ago
Not a easy song to play on bass or any other instruments by the way. Happy Helloween XD
hallbergjonatan 6 months ago
search for "Gamma Ray with Michael Kiska - Future World Live in Bochum 2011" Kiska can still make them high notes
piluttapajo 6 months ago
long life to michael kiske, the oficial voice of melodic power metal world!
Bayoan 6 months ago
ANDI DERIS SUCKS
MattoDiGallina 7 months ago 2
y donde està la pifia del segundo 00:10????
cazador2506 7 months ago
You can hear Kiske losing his range in this video. I think his best years were with Kai.
LordFrankGarrett 7 months ago
@LordFrankGarrett dude you are an idiot... kiske can still reach the high E with power and no strain at all... that was 20 years ago... now in 2010 he sings just as good or even better... Of course you dont know nothing... e.g. listen to Avantasia - Farewell and check the last part...
124235346 7 months ago
@124235346 I believe that Kiske is the best vocalist of all time, however, you can def hear his range fading during the chorus. Also name calling isn't a good way to prove a point....
LordFrankGarrett 7 months ago
@LordFrankGarrett ok sorry, just got upset because its absurd to say that just by watching a video! vocalists are not always at their 100%. check this song from 5:31 on, /watch?v=PGlr8_q6_3k also check his work with RR, like this one /watch?v=2r4ahIvko3c&feature=related those are very recent recordings and Michi is hitting the same notes, high D etc with no problem... soo thats my point...
124235346 7 months ago
@LordFrankGarrett Try this version of the same song, from the same tour (Bonn 1992): watch?v=XeH-EvshLx4. He nails all the high notes with a lot of power. Additionally check this video collection of his 2010 tour with Unisonic and Avantasia: watch?v=ZER58KQa8LQ
mpaoxi 7 months ago
fantastic voice!
torog7 7 months ago
his voice sounds like kotipelto. helloween and stratovarius rulez
zerocoll20 7 months ago
@zerocoll20 kotipelto? is a total shit. are you deaf? he's lost his voice at all
emiblindside 7 months ago
Kiske eats Andy Deris for breakfast
IronXum 8 months ago 15
@IronXum xD this is fucking true xD He eats him between the cereals and the orange juice xD
JulienR01 8 months ago
@IronXum are you kiddin ? Kiske need's a good breakfast not shit lml
DarkRogan 2 months ago
I love how Weikath's still swinging that guitar around when he plays the verse riff, so awesome :D
JohannesFrykholm 8 months ago
DEATH IS FUCKIN BITCH !!! SHE STOLE US OUR AWESOME DRUMMER !!! RIP INGO !!!
Premdus 8 months ago
ingo fly freee!!!!! r.i.p my favourite power metal drummer
4nim4l7 9 months ago 2
kai is playing with my guitar model, that makes me cry T.T (sorry 4 my english, is spanglish)
BztnO 9 months ago
@BztnO kai is not even there '-'
felphero 9 months ago
@felphero yes, this video is in 92 and kai leave helloween in 88-89 sorry..... but thats my guitar :D
BztnO 9 months ago
I hope that Unisonic will perform classic Helloween song here and there live. Kiske is my all time fav singer!
karvakake 9 months ago
ok uhm eagle fly free
PinguHitlerParodies 9 months ago
Ingo Fly Free.
AndresFLinares 9 months ago
@AndresFLinares ingo fly free let people see just make music in your own way, leave the time behind and follow your hearth!
sonnic1995 9 months ago
monstro do caralho bixo...pqp...
nao importa o q os fans do deris digam... Kiska eh outro nivel.
TheBrunozxc 9 months ago
veja o video cover helloween
ascalon helloween
eggustavoful 9 months ago
Kiske > Deris
tolisssss 9 months ago
@tolisssss who care ... kiske era is awesome,deris too HELLOWEEN FOREVER!
michikuTV 9 months ago
@tolisssss kiske >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deris
sonnic1995 9 months ago
Since we're talking about German metal a Fritz Lang quote "the mediator between the hands and the brain is the heart." Weilkath was the brains, Ingo, Kiske, Marcus the hands, gettin the real work done. And Kai Hansen tied it altogether, the heart of the band. No band without Kai
UdemderHuebsch 9 months ago
michael kiske es,fue y sera el mejor vocal de helloween
MegaDiegomarin 9 months ago
@MegaDiegomarin Y del mundo!
AndresFLinares 9 months ago
muito bommmmmmmmmmmm
ronaldosafira1978 10 months ago
Eagle Fly Free::::::::::Forever
IachIach 10 months ago
jajajajaja jajaja deris singing this song omg is a shit, i hope fly free in the sky wth kiske wen all finish
marroquinmota 10 months ago 2
this is how it's played!
MunicipalDude 10 months ago
Ingo is God!
fuelrotten 10 months ago 2
HIGH IN THE SKY A MIGHTY KISKE!!!!!
WildDragonBlaze 10 months ago
Taht's a voice. And that's a drummer.
Guilhermeer 11 months ago 42
@Guilhermeer Agree!
enatitf 8 months ago
Taht's a voice
Guilhermeer 11 months ago
quien es el tecladista? LOL xD
SlashHN 11 months ago
@SlashHN nadie lo conoce xDDDD
WildDragonBlaze 10 months ago
Ingo was great too!!
DiegoBelmont82 11 months ago 2
Ahuevo , la mejor epoca de Helloween!!
Sabbathann 11 months ago 2
Dickinson sux. He did to Maiden what Collins did to Genesis
azcfcfan 11 months ago
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shie0074 11 months ago
I'd give my left nut, just to sing like Kiske, and my right, for the longevity and power of Bruce Dickinson.
bluehavencd 11 months ago 34
@bluehavencd i agree..=/
Mung64 7 months ago
@bluehavencd Impossible, the comination of Bruce and Kiske`s voices would bring the certain end of the universe as we know it, to much awesome
joniiboy 7 months ago
@bluehavencd well, If you gave BOTH nuts you would probably be right where you want to be.
peaveyandsmolski 7 months ago
@bluehavencd then ud lose all ur testosterone and ud begin to sing like Justin Bieber , give a kidney instead of ur right nut
MrVinaTube 3 months ago
@MrVinaTube You are vicious on the comment...lol. I have 2 more to spar anyway, so there would'nt be much of a difference.
bluehavencd 3 months ago
One people is not flying to eternity.
MrMarcowich91 1 year ago
buh
soptik702 1 year ago
If god was real,he would be with no doubts,kiske \m/
Jebitronmetal 1 year ago 2
when did he left helloween? and why?
kobitsakis 1 year ago
@kobitsakis Kiske left Helloween in 1993, because Michael Weikath fired him. Weikath wanted to get Andi Deris into Helloween, so he blamed Kiske for the band's change of musical direction and the bad sales of Pink Bubbles Go Ape and Chameleon and fired him. Later on Weikath fired both Roland Grapow and Uli Kusch for similar reasons, but that's another story.
antereiiii 1 year ago
@antereiiii and now where is kiske? is he in a band?
kobitsakis 1 year ago
@kobitsakis kiske and somerville
Jebitronmetal 1 year ago
@kobitsakis Kiske has done several things since his exit from Helloween. He has released 4 solo albums, has participated on many projects and sang as a guest with many bands. He has also released 2 albums with the project Place Vendome: watch?v=ooigIExz_Io. Here are some of his best metal-related performances: watch?v=N6m0ZVzUhUQ.
Recently he recorded a duet album with Amanda Somerville, toured with the metal opera Avantasia and formed a new rock band named Unisonic: watch?v=AP2BAO-XFME
antereiiii 1 year ago 4
Kiskeeeeeeeeee!
youksR 1 year ago
Rock In Peace Ingo!
champfodz1212 1 year ago
Together we'll fly someday, I mean me and Kiske
pertza 1 year ago
muito massa!
kitschnight 1 year ago
lol.... the double-bass drums are completely off!!!!! hahaha (I still love it)
helloween76 1 year ago
1 persona no tiene su aguila libre...
enatitf 1 year ago
The drummer is Ingo Schwichtenberg, the bestest drummer ever. Young, fast and strong. No one, anywhere, could be better.
albertotevez 1 year ago
Awesome singer.
AresKiske 1 year ago
come back Michael... PLEASE!
thesonoflucifer 1 year ago 6
@thesonoflucifer i agree completly!
Bamtadam 1 year ago
iLove ♥ Helloween
gwen24g8 1 year ago
MIchael kiske and Fabio(rhapsody of fire) : the best!
fakumtl 1 year ago
@fakumtl Kiko from Angra on guitar, Kiske and Fabio on vocals, not sure which drummer, Joey DeMaio from Manowar on bass = worlds best band imo :P
joniiboy 1 year ago
@joniiboy kiko is awesome but see this one Kiske, Kai, Markus, Weikath and Uli kush
Bamtadam 1 year ago
@fakumtl What about michelle luppi xD
keyboardfromheaven 1 year ago
Is that Ingo ? =)
Premdus 1 year ago
Fala Miozinho 100, blz? Cara, também concordo que ele é o segundo melhor, mas eu penso que perde para o Dio. Abs.
0081lucioguimaraes 1 year ago
kiske will fly free
Adleri 1 year ago
kiske fly freeee (8)
elcristianor 1 year ago
Oh shit!!!, he is GODDDDDDDD!!!
headmetalbanger1990 1 year ago
greatest metal voice
jepgmetal 1 year ago
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heeck noo Leo Jimenez can kick his ass with his POWERFUL voice !
xtremebrother77 1 year ago
heeck noo Leo Jimenez can kick his ass with his POWERFUL voice
xtremebrother77 1 year ago
Amazing...just amazing.
Dark7Knights1 1 year ago
VIVA KISKE!!!!!!!
topmega80 1 year ago
É imprissionante. Tamanha é a voz do Kiske que parece q todos os outros vacalistas imitam ele!
mvphrase 1 year ago
unbelievable voice!!!
makisner 1 year ago
Michael Kiske gran vocalista exelente voz
novelakiss 1 year ago
Shit was SOOO cash !
macdeath69 1 year ago
together we'll fly, someday.
DoctorHannibal 1 year ago 3
Muito bom disco
otaner148 1 year ago
However, it is now that Helloween's greatness seems to be more visible as "Power Metal" became "official" genre and seeing many bands who doesn't fit into Heavy Metal or Thrash/Death Metal(like Helloween didn't during 80's) and plays good artistic musics. We can take a look at bands like Stratovarius, Hammerfall, Angra and Dragonforce(whom I hate), it is undeniable that Helloween was the one originated this sounds and feels.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
Helloween is lot greater than people gave them credit for. During the 80's, band like Helloween was rare because were bit too heavy for Heavy Metal and yet they weren't Thrash Metal. Their theme and colors weren't as sinister as your typical metal bands and it that aspect, Helloween was truly unique band who not only didn't fit into mainstream norm nor in metal norm. But their popularity wasn't as big as bands like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest to Metallica and Megadeth.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
@unorthodoxtrotsky
Agreed.
DaveyMurray1 1 year ago
aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuuuu el mejorrrrrrrrr
tiameroam 1 year ago
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I do prefer the Andi Deris voice and version.
schieese 1 year ago
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1st performance of eagle fly free
watch?v=fZ_taL3pWcs
UncleRuckus77 1 year ago
lo maximo kiske!!
pepetrain 1 year ago
1:09 watch Weikhy, he 's not as different as today, except for his hairlength.
krasnoir 1 year ago
Are there many Flying V shops in Germany?
pyroteria 1 year ago
kiske is a fckin phenomenon, he's the best high pitched vocalist. too bad he doesn't like metal, he was made for it.
jesterbass 1 year ago
If Kiske sing with falsetto, he can break a window
perigosobrauner 1 year ago 5
Damn that's some fucking voice. He really was as good as Geoff Tate or Dickinson or John Arch in their prime.
maofas 1 year ago 2
wann wurde dieses video gedreht? :D
BoyFromHell13666 1 year ago
yeahhh!! eagle fly free!!! Kiske!!! yeah
Northwind66 1 year ago
I wonder how Kiske would sound singing this song today.
piluttapajo 2 years ago
@piluttapajo Perhaps he would sound something like this (Kiske sings from 1:05 to 2:10 and at 5:04): watch?v=kSvikFvKY1I
antere5 2 years ago 2
@antere5 Didn´t work :(
piluttapajo 2 years ago
@piluttapajo Just search for "Avantasia: Shelter From The Rain" and listen to 1:05 until 2:10 and to 5:04 for Kiske's vocs. Additionally, also search for "Michael Kiske - You Always Walk Alone", taken from his 2008 solo album Past In Different Ways.
antere5 2 years ago
It's such an awesome song! Kiske sounds amazing live.
Timamz 2 years ago 4
What if Kai stuck with Helloween after the Keeper of the Seven Keys tour, and Kiske wasn't kicked out. A boy can dream huh. I didn't mind when Roland Grapow replaced Kai, but the band just didn't seem as good as.
MentlSpaz 2 years ago
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lol the 90's.... but great vid, and his voice isnt high just not deep as fuck......................he kinda sounds like the iron maiden singer
Freakonaleash499 2 years ago
Voz de DEUS
GuiWinckleR 2 years ago 32
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Kiske Andi is past is the voice of Helloween ... garbage is a compare with tuning and tone ... andi has a much higher voice and tune that Kiske .. atoa that it is not until today in Helloween .. kiskie museum was already past ..
rogerioboeriz 2 years ago
@rogerioboeriz
Learn to speak english before posting retarded
KISKE IS GOD
Froizon 2 years ago 10
People say that Kiske has a high voice. He doesnt... André Matos speaks like a young girl when he speaks, but Kiske has a normal voice only he's so fucking strong in his singing engine that he can sing higher and longer and more dynamic than anyone anyway!
Satanwillprevail 2 years ago 57
@Satanwillprevail Andre Matos does not sound anything like a young girl when he speaks. He has a very normal speaking voice. Where did you get THAT idea??
kalanhai 1 year ago 2
@Satanwillprevail wtf..Kiske DO have an High voice....Try to sing like him..
halogamers 1 year ago
@halogamers He means people saying he talks with a high voice that that's why he's able to get that high and it's not true. He just has an amazing voice that's strong enough to get that high.
scatmanwfm 1 year ago
@Satanwillprevail I love em both , André Matos live voice is so unreal good : )
KeepsMeBurning 1 year ago
@Satanwillprevail And looks a lot like Bruce Dickinson :P
tonimatamucho 11 months ago
@Satanwillprevail i agree, its easy sing high when you have a "girl" voice tone (no ofense to anyone just example) and that isnt impresive
impresive its when you have a normal voice and you take it to very high tones
be a good singer isnt about sing high, its about use your voice tone to the max. to use all your range
and thats what kiske do
sonnic1995 9 months ago
MIGHTY KISKE!!!!
19TOFY58 2 years ago 51
@19TOFY58 Almost All Mighty! :)
Download9409 9 months ago
Man.. Holy Fuck.. This is fucking awesome! Aahh..
demoniolucifer 2 years ago 2
KISKE FOREVER!!!
Cosimino86 2 years ago 8
damn i really love how his voice is so high
Erazer90 2 years ago
pa mi Michael Kiske lo patea y lo escupe a Andi Deris q es un pobre y trizte H a su lado Larga vida a Kiske
jotaerre00 2 years ago
i love kiske's voice...
SpeedMetalSymphony92 3 years ago 5
Andi deris is a very good singer but Michael Kiske is THE voice
ianosm58 3 years ago 3
amazing ^^
ziiur 3 years ago 2
HEAVY influence on blind guardian right here.
BaronVonStevie 3 years ago 2
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andreas deris(Andi deris) let michael kiske on the floor
malucobeleza666porra 3 years ago
asshole
Opethniano 2 years ago
jajajajajajjajajajaj are you deaf or something??
XaviPeregrina 2 years ago
meiner meinung nach das beste lied von helloween ! kiske komm zurück du arschlochXD
connorcoombes 3 years ago