@Robarch89 Roaches can EASILY easily counter FF's simply by getting burrow..you're allowed to move under FF's..Sentries are just a counter..Toss get wrecked by decent T's..or at least their counters > us. Going M/M/M and then scouting colo you can easily push out vikings to destroy colo chances are you have a reactor..see templars, you drop a very cheap ghost acad and push them out instead of maras..T's counter us too easily and wreck our shit.
just so you know idra did it on purpose. He's trying to let the protoss player to realize that he's so much better the protoss player but all it need is forcefields to win the game.
@startingsprinter Ha , without them Protoss would be useless and Terran/Zerg have ended up winners in more mlg's than Protoss have so if they were op then surely they'd win more?
@bakedspade i play protoss and protoss has the easiest micro in the game of course zerg players like idra would be pretty angry about losing to someone who doesn't even know how to play
@startingsprinter Expcept he clearly wasn't going to lose. The player didn't warp in any more Sentries so no longer would of been able to force the ramp and the amount of Roaches Idra had would of crushed the small Protoss force. I feel sometimes Idra can get too empassioned about the game but seeing as it's his life it's somewhat understandable.
@FishTurd69 its not abusive given how extremely easy it is to stop, make a spine near your ramp and have 5-10% of your units on top of the ramp and its held
@warmdickweed doesnt work like that, u might have the spine, but u wouldnt keep units at the top because u want ur whole army at the bottom IF they dont do cheesy drop.
bliz nerfed infestor because z would use fg and neural so much and became dependant on the units, but p use sentry and ff to the same effect, why no nerg? like ultra pathing and thor pathing
i don't get why didn't that fella just ff to push the roaches down the ramp, then he wouldn't have to lose his buildings, as the roaches can't get vision up there anyway...
@BBoyr4dic4l to spam enough FFs on the wide ramp to shove the roaches down far enough to lose vision would have costed his Sentries significant amount of energy and risked losing the impassible barrier before his sentries could regen. We weren't able to see his remaining gas due to the way the vid was cropped.
Look how gay this game is.. put a few forcefields and you have a full wall :) You guys should play a 1v1 in Age of Empires 2 and you will see how much more strategy that takes!
@CapitanIGhostI They are fake, and they are part of the map. They have HP bars so you can destroy them and place buildings there if needed, but they are there to prevent early game wall-offs
@BlueHawky he was also outta warp ins, i watched a cast of this game, on top of that to infinitely use 2 forcefields at a time it takes 12 sentries and most of the time minigun was using 3 so that really wasnt an option
@BlueHawky So because you don't agree with me I'm trolling?
I have the full game now and I've looked at them myself. Burrow and tunnelling claws are in two separate buildings. Its greedy zergs who don't seem to get them because they're too busy droning up and taking expo after expo.
@Tommybotham you do realise that to play zerg you need to expand as the aim as zerg is to be so macro'd that you can max an army straight off if you loose it, thats zergs strength.
@thewalkingwarlock I realize that, but I also realize the insane strengths in the other races to do 1 base allins or timing pushes when they know the zerg is going to expand or has expanded and doesnt have much of an army. Lately I have been playing 1 base zerg with a macro hatch and only expanding on a roach/ling/bling push. I might even leave it so late as to get lair first.
You can blame wc3 for me hating to expand so early.
@Tommybotham "I don't even have the full game yet" well then i doubt you have any idea what your talking about or how it applies to idra's situation in that game...fag. I watched that game myself and idra played very well however he did make a lot of stupid mistakes just not the ones you think he did...fag.
What I've seen IdrA start doing when he does this build against the robo 6 gate is put 1 or 2 spores around the edges of his main and then uses them with queens to hold it off.
Then he kills the main army with his massive roach force.
@Tommybotham He's not stupid and in all honesty he couldn't get both of those upgrades in time, but you can argue his overlord positioning wasn't great, Though i still don't think it's fair to criticism him just because minigun is a very good player.
@Kuti210 well I don't know but I have to admit I also think about Sheth when I think of americas best zergs but sheth was beaten the last 2 times by IdrA in a tournament you can check his liquipedia page
@AlduinWorldEater I prefer Sheth's attitude to the game alot more than Idra's, though saying that Greg's ego and mannerisms are what make his games so interesting.
@BlueHawky Idra is much better though. Warp prism/sentry drops are gimmicky at best. Forcefields on ramps are way, way OP OP OP. and I know so because I do it all the time against zerg.
@BlueHawky Minii gun cant really stand a chance against Idra and u know thats a fact but anyone who calls these pro players stupid or dumb should honestlly die For one .... I dont see them playing these pro players and secondlly i bet therre all in gold legues or lower cuz they would know that u cant get both thouse upgrades intime :3 thouse are my thoughts i anit trolling u or anything
@MachinistakaxERo I play zerg and I'll admit Protoss aren't really all that powerful. Late game Terran contains and map control is totally unmanageable and Zerg map control and mobility usually just eats through toss late game when FF is nullified. Toss are only op early and mid game.
@BlueHawky Mid game stalkers are silly, but you're right it's easy to farm wins off them on ladder if you can get to late game or if they suck early game.
He's supposed to be world ranking Zerg player and he knows top ranking Protoss players will abuse forcefields to their advantage. Or does he expect to be allowed to macro across the map every single game? How else do you counter force fields if you don't have a massive unit? Burrow + Tunnelling claws.
@AlduinWorldEater He was on lair and researching speed. Didn't have time for burrow and lair from that. The timing is supposed to be that the Toss attack comes just as +1 and speed are finishing and you have the max number of roaches.
@boredwan yeah I know that , well not that specificley but I was trying to tell some guy who called him bad because he didn't have both at this time ...
oh yeah I see you told him too
I think it's quite funny that some guy who doesn't have the full game thinks he knows more than someone who has been playing it many hours a day since day 1
@Tommybotham I'm actually going to explain the timings of it. He got roach speed at the moment his lair appeared. He didn't have roach speed when the timing attack came. How in the fuck do you suppose he gets TC and burrow if that takes even longer?
Don't say "get lair faster" because then you lose from not having enough units to actually defend any kind of attack.
@Tommybotham IdrA doesn't like roaches very much from what I've seen. He prefers Zerglings in most of his MLG tournaments, along with higher tiered units, like Brood Lords.
@VompoV Were you really laughing your fucking ass off or did you write that because you had nothing better to say? You sound like a fucking virgin butthurt because someone insulted your God.
Idra EXPECTED to be allowed to macro all over the map in this game and as such got his ass handed to him by the protoss timing push.
If he one based, he would have been able to get both upgrades and pushed out whilst returning to his original macro game mentality. He always does this same macro shit.
@Sproeikoei Like BlueHawky said, its a mixture of both. You can play a macro style in WC3 (humans or no upkeep Undead/fast expo Undead) and you can play a micro sorta style in SC2 (generally 1 base play with a timing push on the enemies expo).
And there, 'timing pushes' is also an obvious similarity. UD vs Orc which is widely considered Orc favoured.. The orc gets completely rolled if the Undead does a timing merc/TR/Frost Armour push before the Orc gets his first Spirit Walker out.
@Tommybotham Level of play is many times deteminated by scouting abilities, and yet theres not many ways to know this is coming. Tunneling claws is an upgrade that isn't usually taken, and this warp prism plays aren't very popular, but they are slowly becoming more. The only thing IdrA could've done to make sure it doesn't happen is the overlord positioning, usually meant to get vision over attack routes and air routes, to scout such things.
@Tommybotham ur a fucking idiot, idra is grand masters and your self admitably a bronze player at most. stfu and gtfo his vids you cant handle his play style, protos op
@Tommybotham LOL YOUR A FUCKING RETARD. how the fuck do you think hes gonna get burrow + tunnelling on time??? he lost his main base and wouldnt work anyways. tired of argueing with these noobs. get to idras level of play and then talk
@stewpod621234 You shouldn't call someone else a retard if you can't discern between 'your' and you're' in a sentence.
Burrow and Tunneling claws are in 2 seperate buildings and both are opened up at lair. If you're going mass roaches, why wouldn't you get them? When has roach speed ever been THAT great off of creep?
And as for me getting to Idras level? I play this game for fun, I don't intend on going past Diamond.
@Tommybotham seeing as how he was doing a ling/roa all-in because the toss forge FE'd he wouldn't have a lair to research either of those upgrades, not to fucking mention the time it would take to go lair and wait for both those upgrades to finish. there are such things as timings you dimwitted retard, i suggest getting the game first and getting out of your silver league
@Tommybotham which is exactly what i was fucking saying why those upgrades wouldnt work, its a timing all-in he cant fucking wait 5 extra minutes to research those upgrades
@MrLag1337 I was wrong and I apologize for my impertinence. I've messed around with alot of builds and point blank noone should be massing roaches anyway because they will always lose to armies of equal food. Only get roaches to be be aggressive on a FFE (protoss) otherwise stick to lings and transition into something better. Both the speed and tunnelling upgrade take too long to get before the toss pushes and speedless roaches blow dick anyway so not getting it to save time is stupid.
@Tommybotham lolwat did u just say dont get roaches unless ur roach busting, its a core unit in zvp metagame lings are worthless vs zealots and collosus raep lings hardcore vs an allin like this its nearly unscoutable bcuz robo is standard
@BadatStuff Lol xD ur platinum league? holy shit. why even talk to me when ur a lowleaguer? Im gm league, this only works if ur trash like idra and doesn't know how to get burrow&claws. dont respond to me cause ur a fucking lowleaguer;) rofl
@Healingproof wait so burrow and claws is something tht u generally get midgame when ur not doing a crazy allin tht probably sucks even if ur in gm u sound fuckin stupid and now that warp prisms are buffed a simple queen defense wont do tbh this play right here by hero makes me feel that forcefield is a broken spell
@Wickedsicked8 rofl ur retarded. Burrow Roach infestor was what i went every game pre infestor nerf. You dont use claws for all in, you use them to go thru force field. And if they were to nerf force fields, they'd have to buff something else in protoss in return to make up for it. Force field is such a key spell to prevent all ins that they'd have some pretty sivear buffs to make up for it.
@Wickedsicked8 rofl ur retarded. Burrow Roach infestor was what i went every game pre infestor nerf. You dont use claws for all in, you use them to go thru force field. And if they were to nerf force fields, they'd have to buff something else in protoss in return to make up for it. Force field is such a key spell to prevent all ins that they'd have some pretty sivear buffs to make up for it.
@Healingproof i meant tht the only time u get tunneling claws is when u go allin ffs are way too powerful against zerg since it almost guarantees a dead natural its life support against terran op vs zerg it just shouldnt be in the game and if u went burrow roach infestor every game thts a weird unit comp standard deathball would tear through tht although u could remax ALOT
he left ebcause he would never win in a base trade..mini could trutle back into his main with forcefields while destroying all of idras tech with the army still in HIS main and then move on to his natural and destroy everything else while idra's army is derping around behind forcefields
@AlduinWorldEater Sorry for not replying early... but it is actually a good thing. Sheth all killed EG as you know...
Kuti210 1 day ago
Keep getting stronger Idra! O_o
(Oops, did I said something bad?)
Armalizilto 2 weeks ago
CHAD MOTHERFUCKIN JONES
Willdabeastt10 2 weeks ago
@Willdabeastt10 Ive been waiting for one of these for ages, I love you.
BlueHawky 2 weeks ago
poor idra :<
snadderr89 3 weeks ago
This was a game IDRA va minigun
Unstable606 3 weeks ago
lol Protoss are OP also for that 3 sentries can stop a friggin roach army
Robarch89 4 weeks ago
@Robarch89 Roaches can EASILY easily counter FF's simply by getting burrow..you're allowed to move under FF's..Sentries are just a counter..Toss get wrecked by decent T's..or at least their counters > us. Going M/M/M and then scouting colo you can easily push out vikings to destroy colo chances are you have a reactor..see templars, you drop a very cheap ghost acad and push them out instead of maras..T's counter us too easily and wreck our shit.
WeeItsNookies 1 week ago
for those who are dissing idra.
just so you know idra did it on purpose. He's trying to let the protoss player to realize that he's so much better the protoss player but all it need is forcefields to win the game.
startingsprinter 1 month ago
@startingsprinter showing how imba forcefields are
startingsprinter 1 month ago
@startingsprinter Ha , without them Protoss would be useless and Terran/Zerg have ended up winners in more mlg's than Protoss have so if they were op then surely they'd win more?
bakedspade 1 month ago
@bakedspade i play protoss and protoss has the easiest micro in the game of course zerg players like idra would be pretty angry about losing to someone who doesn't even know how to play
startingsprinter 1 month ago
@startingsprinter Expcept he clearly wasn't going to lose. The player didn't warp in any more Sentries so no longer would of been able to force the ramp and the amount of Roaches Idra had would of crushed the small Protoss force. I feel sometimes Idra can get too empassioned about the game but seeing as it's his life it's somewhat understandable.
bakedspade 1 month ago
In all honesty the protoss had a bigger army anyways
MeowMaster17 1 month ago
this is one of the most abusive strats in the game, seriously bliz should make the queen a massive unit, break the ff
FishTurd69 1 month ago
@FishTurd69 its not abusive given how extremely easy it is to stop, make a spine near your ramp and have 5-10% of your units on top of the ramp and its held
warmdickweed 1 month ago
@warmdickweed doesnt work like that, u might have the spine, but u wouldnt keep units at the top because u want ur whole army at the bottom IF they dont do cheesy drop.
bliz nerfed infestor because z would use fg and neural so much and became dependant on the units, but p use sentry and ff to the same effect, why no nerg? like ultra pathing and thor pathing
FishTurd69 1 month ago
liquidhero son
luxon4 1 month ago
Try burrow
UnnamedAirsoft 1 month ago
EGIdra? ....sure.
Schnittlauchjim 1 month ago
wtf at the end he broke trough lol...
noobinstarcraft2 1 month ago
@noobinstarcraft2 but his base was destroyed
warmdickweed 1 month ago
i don't get why didn't that fella just ff to push the roaches down the ramp, then he wouldn't have to lose his buildings, as the roaches can't get vision up there anyway...
BBoyr4dic4l 1 month ago
@BBoyr4dic4l to spam enough FFs on the wide ramp to shove the roaches down far enough to lose vision would have costed his Sentries significant amount of energy and risked losing the impassible barrier before his sentries could regen. We weren't able to see his remaining gas due to the way the vid was cropped.
Zeknif1 1 month ago
poor idra =<
snadderr89 1 month ago
Look how gay this game is.. put a few forcefields and you have a full wall :) You guys should play a 1v1 in Age of Empires 2 and you will see how much more strategy that takes!
EricTheRed03 2 months ago
@EricTheRed03 go smd
Naccer2 1 month ago
@EricTheRed03 We're too manly to need dumb actual walls.
Dripcy 1 month ago
offensive fffs vs zerg is so broken
Wickedsicked8 2 months ago
YES I`M A BIG NOOB! But at 0:25 those Supply Depots have HP bars... werent they fake? I mean, a part o the map? Please answer
CapitanIGhostI 2 months ago
@CapitanIGhostI They are fake, and they are part of the map. They have HP bars so you can destroy them and place buildings there if needed, but they are there to prevent early game wall-offs
ghostofillusion 2 months ago
@CapitanIGhostI What supply depots?...
warior531 1 month ago
@CapitanIGhostI It's used in tournament maps nowadays, mainly to prevent any kind of cheesy wall-off near the enemy ramp (mostly used against zerg).
T0mTTT 1 month ago
I hate forcefields. It's both a balanced thing that is needed in dire situations at the same time is the most abused mechanic in the freaking game.
TheLifeOfaPsycho 2 months ago
that's why you should not go for roaches only ...
ThatBuzyOne 2 months ago
Looks exactly like mini-guns
eddtally99 2 months ago
funny thing is he was outta ffs
lithiumissick42 2 months ago 12
@lithiumissick42 He could of just warped more sentry's in + the Regen fast enough to re- forcefield for a while more just to make sure he had won.
BlueHawky 2 months ago 2
@BlueHawky he was also outta warp ins, i watched a cast of this game, on top of that to infinitely use 2 forcefields at a time it takes 12 sentries and most of the time minigun was using 3 so that really wasnt an option
lithiumissick42 2 months ago
@lithiumissick42 8, not 12. It takes 8 sentries. . .
globehack 2 months ago
@BlueHawky stfu he could have won that easy if he wasent such a idiot
cirkic 1 month ago
@cirkic "Such an idiot", You sound like your twelve and someone stole your lollipop.
BlueHawky 1 month ago 24
@BlueHawky You're*
Fudo94 1 month ago
@BlueHawky what would you say...? swear like a big boy?
MattveiMojeiko 1 month ago
@cirkic You realize he was also losing his main the entire time? It was a base trade with a huge advantage to the toss player
AbduCola 1 month ago
@cirkic obv you are an* idiot
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Donut4444Biscuit 1 month ago
@lithiumissick42
4sentries can hold a ramp eternally
olentattimies 2 months ago
@lithiumissick42 if you have 8 sentries you will have 2 constant ffs
MeowMaster17 1 month ago
Just use burrow...
dbze8 2 months ago
@dbze8 a little late for that bro.
toxic2waste 2 months ago
protoss OP ? :)
WoWPro71 2 months ago
@WoWPro71 Said it for ages!
GuitarMasterGraeme 2 months ago
whats the songs name ??
Quartic1000 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
force field is a good skill toi have
NumberJ42 2 months ago
I'm zerg and it's still funny watching so many roaches push against FFs, and Idra being tormented
ezgftt 2 months ago
well, i always lose to terran, so for me is terran OP, idra loses against protoss alot, so protoss is op for him, and so on and so on.
but really. marauder dmg is op. :)
pRounify 2 months ago
ill be using mass sentries now haha
PorifersAnims 2 months ago
This shows how balanced forcefields are.
peAkkkTF2 2 months ago
protoss is so fucking retarded op piece of shit,
sentries are with templars are fucking jokes.
asorlonnn 2 months ago
@asorlonnn They also cost a lot of gas, and if you let him get that much income, then you are the piece of shit O,O
MoDoLoMo 2 months ago
@MoDoLoMo it is extremely easy to get a 2nd expansion. thats what all toss and zerg do,
asorlonnn 2 months ago
And the Sentries were completely out of energy. IdrA had the bigger army. He might have won.
Doncroft1 2 months ago
I still don't understand why tommy botham is trolling my video :s
BlueHawky 2 months ago 9
@BlueHawky So because you don't agree with me I'm trolling?
I have the full game now and I've looked at them myself. Burrow and tunnelling claws are in two separate buildings. Its greedy zergs who don't seem to get them because they're too busy droning up and taking expo after expo.
Tommybotham 2 months ago
@Tommybotham you do realise that to play zerg you need to expand as the aim as zerg is to be so macro'd that you can max an army straight off if you loose it, thats zergs strength.
thewalkingwarlock 2 months ago
@thewalkingwarlock I realize that, but I also realize the insane strengths in the other races to do 1 base allins or timing pushes when they know the zerg is going to expand or has expanded and doesnt have much of an army. Lately I have been playing 1 base zerg with a macro hatch and only expanding on a roach/ling/bling push. I might even leave it so late as to get lair first.
You can blame wc3 for me hating to expand so early.
Tommybotham 2 months ago
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@Tommybotham "I don't even have the full game yet" well then i doubt you have any idea what your talking about or how it applies to idra's situation in that game...fag. I watched that game myself and idra played very well however he did make a lot of stupid mistakes just not the ones you think he did...fag.
CynicalwithApurpose 2 months ago
If you think about it Force Fields are pretty much like OP.
JuglarEuskaldun 2 months ago
@JuglarEuskaldun I mean not the ability is OP, but its duration. As an emergency defensive ability it should be shorter...
JuglarEuskaldun 2 months ago
seriously though forcefields are fucking retarded
virualdl 2 months ago
I rest my case:
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Tommybotham 3 months ago
@Tommybotham thats not even you?
restf0rm 3 months ago
this was a Custom Game?
he was Green
SiloDiloZ 3 months ago 2
@SiloDiloZ ....
BlueHawky 3 months ago 20
@BlueHawky if you play ladder ur colors are always red or blue... what he is trying to say is that this happend on a custom game not at the ladder
starqesdinq 2 months ago
@starqesdinq I thought this went without saying hence "...." another person who doesn't use there brain while commenting.
BlueHawky 2 months ago
@SiloDiloZ #1 dumbass
crazyweedude 2 months ago
What I've seen IdrA start doing when he does this build against the robo 6 gate is put 1 or 2 spores around the edges of his main and then uses them with queens to hold it off.
Then he kills the main army with his massive roach force.
boredwan 3 months ago
idra performs so great atm stfu no jokes
theliviadan 3 months ago
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Idra is so fucking stupid...
I don't even have the full game yet and I was screaming Burrow + Tunnelling claws..
Fucking overrated idiot.
Tommybotham 3 months ago
@Tommybotham He's not stupid and in all honesty he couldn't get both of those upgrades in time, but you can argue his overlord positioning wasn't great, Though i still don't think it's fair to criticism him just because minigun is a very good player.
BlueHawky 3 months ago 15
@BlueHawky no minigun isnt
AlduinWorldEater 3 months ago
@AlduinWorldEater Still enough to beat idra.... just saying...
Kuti210 2 months ago
@Kuti210 yes with abusive strategies
Minigun hasn't achieved any big tournament wins where idra has won plenty
AlduinWorldEater 2 months ago
@AlduinWorldEater Still enough to beat idra...
JUST...
SAYING...
A world class player likes to sometimes get raped by, what does idra calls? "Scrub"? Yeah thats about right.
Idra is overrated, get over it
Kuti210 1 month ago
@Kuti210 maybe he is overrated if you think he is the best zerg player in the world
I never believed that
but he is definetaly americas best zerg and gets owned here by a protoss who never won any major tournaments
you better get your facts straight
AlduinWorldEater 4 weeks ago
@AlduinWorldEater I dont deny he is a good player... but i'd pick sheth over him anyday.
Kuti210 3 weeks ago
@Kuti210 well I don't know but I have to admit I also think about Sheth when I think of americas best zergs but sheth was beaten the last 2 times by IdrA in a tournament you can check his liquipedia page
AlduinWorldEater 3 weeks ago
@AlduinWorldEater I prefer Sheth's attitude to the game alot more than Idra's, though saying that Greg's ego and mannerisms are what make his games so interesting.
BlueHawky 2 weeks ago
@BlueHawky Yeah I guess IdrA would be better if he had a more positive attitude towards the game
I can see it myself when Im in a bad mood I call everything OP and ragequit but also lose more
but when Im like sheth and say ok he beat me that way not going to happen again I probably will win after that
I mean DRG is proving that you can beat all the races at the highest level
He is one of the few you should mention tho! ;)
AlduinWorldEater 2 weeks ago
@BlueHawky Idra is much better though. Warp prism/sentry drops are gimmicky at best. Forcefields on ramps are way, way OP OP OP. and I know so because I do it all the time against zerg.
XDXDXDXDXDXDXD 2 months ago
@BlueHawky
I LOL'd at minigun a good player.
NickNippa 2 months ago
@NickNippa Exactly... minigun still manages to defeat him is most tournments... therefore idra is below average...
*Predictable reply incoming*
Kuti210 2 months ago
@BlueHawky also the protoss had cannons, the burrowed roaches wouldn't even come to the other side of the forcefield
freezewindow1 2 months ago
@BlueHawky Minii gun cant really stand a chance against Idra and u know thats a fact but anyone who calls these pro players stupid or dumb should honestlly die For one .... I dont see them playing these pro players and secondlly i bet therre all in gold legues or lower cuz they would know that u cant get both thouse upgrades intime :3 thouse are my thoughts i anit trolling u or anything
sniperkid23333 2 months ago
@BlueHawky minigun is a joke and FF are way to OP every1 knows that but toss keep crying their underpowered in every matchup.. even in PvP i guess..
MachinistakaxERo 2 months ago
@MachinistakaxERo I play zerg and I'll admit Protoss aren't really all that powerful. Late game Terran contains and map control is totally unmanageable and Zerg map control and mobility usually just eats through toss late game when FF is nullified. Toss are only op early and mid game.
EpicFlyingCat 2 months ago
@EpicFlyingCat It's Funny because you said protoss was op... A good 75% of my wins in diamond league are from protoss lmao.
BlueHawky 2 months ago
@BlueHawky Mid game stalkers are silly, but you're right it's easy to farm wins off them on ladder if you can get to late game or if they suck early game.
EpicFlyingCat 2 months ago
@Tommybotham yeah you dont have the full game thats why you have NO idea about it
you know how long it takes researching burrow + claws ?
No so dont comment if you have no idea
AlduinWorldEater 3 months ago
@AlduinWorldEater wtf?
He's supposed to be world ranking Zerg player and he knows top ranking Protoss players will abuse forcefields to their advantage. Or does he expect to be allowed to macro across the map every single game? How else do you counter force fields if you don't have a massive unit? Burrow + Tunnelling claws.
Tommybotham 3 months ago
@Tommybotham
why do you even comment about balance if you dont own the game ?
Burrow and tunneling claws takes time to research and he probably wasn't even on lair yet
AlduinWorldEater 3 months ago
@AlduinWorldEater He was on lair and researching speed. Didn't have time for burrow and lair from that. The timing is supposed to be that the Toss attack comes just as +1 and speed are finishing and you have the max number of roaches.
boredwan 3 months ago
@boredwan yeah I know that , well not that specificley but I was trying to tell some guy who called him bad because he didn't have both at this time ...
oh yeah I see you told him too
I think it's quite funny that some guy who doesn't have the full game thinks he knows more than someone who has been playing it many hours a day since day 1
AlduinWorldEater 3 months ago
@Tommybotham I'm actually going to explain the timings of it. He got roach speed at the moment his lair appeared. He didn't have roach speed when the timing attack came. How in the fuck do you suppose he gets TC and burrow if that takes even longer?
Don't say "get lair faster" because then you lose from not having enough units to actually defend any kind of attack.
boredwan 3 months ago
@Tommybotham IdrA doesn't like roaches very much from what I've seen. He prefers Zerglings in most of his MLG tournaments, along with higher tiered units, like Brood Lords.
Wawplayer 3 months ago
@Tommybotham Ur bad and dosn`T understand the game, that`s all
1337Wunderbaum 3 months ago
@1337Wunderbaum Epic grammar.
AssFragger 3 months ago
@Tommybotham YEAH GET THOSE LAIR UPGRADES SEVERAL MINUTES EARLY!!!! NOOOB!!!
You don't have the full game and you don't know how it works. Don't comment on how he loses when you don't know how he lost.
You don't magically get an upgrade in an instant because you want it.
boredwan 3 months ago
@Tommybotham You're a retarded idiot.. lmfao
VompoV 3 months ago
@VompoV Were you really laughing your fucking ass off or did you write that because you had nothing better to say? You sound like a fucking virgin butthurt because someone insulted your God.
Idra EXPECTED to be allowed to macro all over the map in this game and as such got his ass handed to him by the protoss timing push.
If he one based, he would have been able to get both upgrades and pushed out whilst returning to his original macro game mentality. He always does this same macro shit.
Tommybotham 3 months ago
@Tommybotham You don't even know the upgrade timings.. shut the fuck up
VompoV 3 months ago
@VompoV If this game is anything like Warcraft 3 (which it is), then I have an idea of the upgrade timings.
Now why don't you stfu and stop trying to be a hero? You're boring me.
Tommybotham 3 months ago
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@Tommybotham You're pathetic.. You don't even know how little you know.
VompoV 3 months ago
@Tommybotham
It's nothing like WC3 ;)
Simply said,
WC 3 is a Micro game.
SC2 is a Macro game.
Sproeikoei 3 months ago
@Sproeikoei Actually it's a mixture of both.
BlueHawky 3 months ago
@BlueHawky
Now don't get un[Quote]simple[/Quote] on me!
Sproeikoei 3 months ago
@Sproeikoei Like BlueHawky said, its a mixture of both. You can play a macro style in WC3 (humans or no upkeep Undead/fast expo Undead) and you can play a micro sorta style in SC2 (generally 1 base play with a timing push on the enemies expo).
And there, 'timing pushes' is also an obvious similarity. UD vs Orc which is widely considered Orc favoured.. The orc gets completely rolled if the Undead does a timing merc/TR/Frost Armour push before the Orc gets his first Spirit Walker out.
Tommybotham 3 months ago
@Tommybotham
Ah man, I was so asking for not a serious answer! :P Tnx anyway, yeh I know, but my comment said, simply.
Macro and Micro are necessary in both games at higher levels.
Though for starters (simple) in SC2 you need your macro right. And in WC3 you need to understand how,when to do what with your units.
Sproeikoei 3 months ago
@Tommybotham
Whilst you forgot all of your macro pressing and watching your roaches get burrowed for 30 seconds.
Sproeikoei 3 months ago
@Tommybotham I want to see a replay of you playing better than him. :)
joopaapo 3 months ago
@Tommybotham Level of play is many times deteminated by scouting abilities, and yet theres not many ways to know this is coming. Tunneling claws is an upgrade that isn't usually taken, and this warp prism plays aren't very popular, but they are slowly becoming more. The only thing IdrA could've done to make sure it doesn't happen is the overlord positioning, usually meant to get vision over attack routes and air routes, to scout such things.
T0mTTT 3 months ago
@Tommybotham ur a fucking idiot, idra is grand masters and your self admitably a bronze player at most. stfu and gtfo his vids you cant handle his play style, protos op
MrBigMOproduction 2 months ago
@MrBigMOproduction Angry nerd alert. Better take your medication before you start to randomly suck cock in streets you fucking nerdgin.
Tommybotham 2 months ago
@MrBigMOproduction lol idra fan boys make me laugh
KaedeTatsu 2 months ago
@MrBigMOproduction <<<< raw example of Idras fanboys in their natural habitat.
Kuti210 2 months ago
@Tommybotham idra is so fucking stupid? wow, now we all know exactly what is going on with you
ankstroms 2 months ago
@ankstroms Sup?
Tommybotham 2 months ago
@Tommybotham ...you're over simplifying starcraft.
XDXDXDXDXDXDXD 2 months ago
@Tommybotham LOL YOUR A FUCKING RETARD. how the fuck do you think hes gonna get burrow + tunnelling on time??? he lost his main base and wouldnt work anyways. tired of argueing with these noobs. get to idras level of play and then talk
stewpod621234 2 months ago
@stewpod621234 You shouldn't call someone else a retard if you can't discern between 'your' and you're' in a sentence.
Burrow and Tunneling claws are in 2 seperate buildings and both are opened up at lair. If you're going mass roaches, why wouldn't you get them? When has roach speed ever been THAT great off of creep?
And as for me getting to Idras level? I play this game for fun, I don't intend on going past Diamond.
Tommybotham 2 months ago
@Tommybotham you get roach speed when people get blink stalkers, almost no one ever research tunneling claws until late game in the pro scene...
slayerdark0 2 months ago
@Tommybotham you can't burrow under forces
fail
fluffythemadcat 2 months ago
@fluffythemadcat You can tunnel under force fields.
Tommybotham 2 months ago
@Tommybotham seeing as how he was doing a ling/roa all-in because the toss forge FE'd he wouldn't have a lair to research either of those upgrades, not to fucking mention the time it would take to go lair and wait for both those upgrades to finish. there are such things as timings you dimwitted retard, i suggest getting the game first and getting out of your silver league
MrLag1337 2 months ago
@MrLag1337 Burrow + Tunnelling Claws motherfucker
Tommybotham 2 months ago
@Tommybotham Yes because at the 10 minute mark that's standard out of bronze when you don't know what's coming. Oh wait.
SomeIncredibleDude 2 months ago
@Tommybotham which is exactly what i was fucking saying why those upgrades wouldnt work, its a timing all-in he cant fucking wait 5 extra minutes to research those upgrades
MrLag1337 2 months ago
@MrLag1337 I was wrong and I apologize for my impertinence. I've messed around with alot of builds and point blank noone should be massing roaches anyway because they will always lose to armies of equal food. Only get roaches to be be aggressive on a FFE (protoss) otherwise stick to lings and transition into something better. Both the speed and tunnelling upgrade take too long to get before the toss pushes and speedless roaches blow dick anyway so not getting it to save time is stupid.
Tommybotham 2 months ago
@Tommybotham lolwat did u just say dont get roaches unless ur roach busting, its a core unit in zvp metagame lings are worthless vs zealots and collosus raep lings hardcore vs an allin like this its nearly unscoutable bcuz robo is standard
Wickedsicked8 2 months ago
@Tommybotham its alright bro, takes a man to admit he was wrong and apologize.
MrLag1337 2 months ago
@Tommybotham You're terrible.
EpicFlyingCat 2 months ago
@EpicFlyingCat Thanks
Tommybotham 2 months ago
forcefields are op
Srbija141 3 months ago
toss so OP
shootingmen 3 months ago
Lol idra would have lost that and he knew it
redzonederk 3 months ago
Lol 3 more cannons building too. Thats too bad idra.
droxek 4 months ago
I don't know why Idra left this game. He had this game.
NecroAsFuck 4 months ago
Forever a roach.
someguyoutthere110 5 months ago 2
poor idra,he didnt remember mutas used
Andrescc12 5 months ago
burrow + tunneling claw
p3rvertedn1nja 5 months ago
burrow + tunneling claw
p3rvertedn1nja 5 months ago
FF's are the biggest flaw in sc2.
Hetzish 5 months ago
@Hetzish No, Terran is.
Dawgz4 5 months ago
@Hetzish agreed lol
xxxTridenT 5 months ago
@Hetzish Yeah, it's kinda sad that Protoss NEED Force Fields to survive the early-game, then they're so ridiculous mid-game
BadatStuff 5 months ago
@BadatStuff It's kind of sad how biased and dumb and godawful you are at sc2 ;)
Healingproof 5 months ago
@Healingproof It's kinda sad how you don't know what the hell you're talking about with no evidence.
I play Random, and vs Plats, 7-gate Robo all-ins with Warp Prisms just smash Zerg
Sounds like you need to get out of wood league
BadatStuff 5 months ago
@BadatStuff Lol xD ur platinum league? holy shit. why even talk to me when ur a lowleaguer? Im gm league, this only works if ur trash like idra and doesn't know how to get burrow&claws. dont respond to me cause ur a fucking lowleaguer;) rofl
Healingproof 5 months ago
@Healingproof lol
Well whatever, I dont care. Looks like you're a regular troll according to your channel
Bye sucker
BadatStuff 5 months ago
@Healingproof Besides, you wrote first. Douchebag
BadatStuff 5 months ago
@BadatStuff ye i responded cause ur shit.
Healingproof 5 months ago
@BadatStuff ye i responded cause ur shit. your utube name fits you.
Healingproof 5 months ago
@Healingproof wait so burrow and claws is something tht u generally get midgame when ur not doing a crazy allin tht probably sucks even if ur in gm u sound fuckin stupid and now that warp prisms are buffed a simple queen defense wont do tbh this play right here by hero makes me feel that forcefield is a broken spell
Wickedsicked8 5 months ago
@Wickedsicked8 rofl ur retarded. Burrow Roach infestor was what i went every game pre infestor nerf. You dont use claws for all in, you use them to go thru force field. And if they were to nerf force fields, they'd have to buff something else in protoss in return to make up for it. Force field is such a key spell to prevent all ins that they'd have some pretty sivear buffs to make up for it.
Healingproof 5 months ago
@Wickedsicked8 rofl ur retarded. Burrow Roach infestor was what i went every game pre infestor nerf. You dont use claws for all in, you use them to go thru force field. And if they were to nerf force fields, they'd have to buff something else in protoss in return to make up for it. Force field is such a key spell to prevent all ins that they'd have some pretty sivear buffs to make up for it.
Healingproof 5 months ago
@Healingproof i meant tht the only time u get tunneling claws is when u go allin ffs are way too powerful against zerg since it almost guarantees a dead natural its life support against terran op vs zerg it just shouldnt be in the game and if u went burrow roach infestor every game thts a weird unit comp standard deathball would tear through tht although u could remax ALOT
Wickedsicked8 5 months ago
Would burrow not work?
RippinSkullz 5 months ago
he left ebcause he would never win in a base trade..mini could trutle back into his main with forcefields while destroying all of idras tech with the army still in HIS main and then move on to his natural and destroy everything else while idra's army is derping around behind forcefields
hytonightful 5 months ago
IdrA is so stupid
paradoxin7 5 months ago