We all know that not everybody has an internet connection, so digital streaming will just hurt sales, but what if there's an alternative to digital content distribution?
Why not sell the new consoles with a very large hard drive, like say 1 or 2 terabites(when it becomes cheaper of course) and have retailers like gamestop have "game transferring booths", where you buy the game and they just transfer it to your hardrive.
here is an idea, kinda funny really, why dont they well idk ........ just keep both -_-
there problem sovled. lol so simple. people overthink things nowadays intsead of just using common sense. im a consumer, so let me tell you what i want. i want options give your consumers options.
if all game goes digital distribution i will not even bother with games at all prefer to have a physical copy is because i don't need to store it anywhere on the computer or redownload it
@Congroo7 You've gotta be kidding right?First off what games are exclusive to consoles that PC's are missing out on?Oh Halo 3/Reach,Gears 2 & 3,forza and sony exclusives,big fucking woop right there.Do I need to point you towards The Witcher 2,Killing Floor,Red Orchestra 2,Counter-Strike Source and Minecraft?You also forgot the fact that we get the better versions of games.BioShock 2 was $10 and guess what?I got Battlefield Bad Company 2 for $5.$5 fanboyism ftw
I'm for digital distribution mainly because retailers in Australia are giant assholes who like to charge up to $120 for a new release.Which is why steam or greenmangaming get my money.That is unless publishers decide to charge us more for digital content because of where we live.There should be more emphasis on digital distribution since the only time I'll be buying boxed copies are if they are cheaper than various digital download sites or they are special editions.
Unless they do something about the bandwidthe cap here in Canada I am against digital distribution. I already pay enough for internet as it is I am not paying for more bandwidthe.
You download a 50 gig PS3 game, guess what you've used up your enitre bandwidthe supply in a month just on that one download. What about low income ppl who have no internet or slow internet and cant utilize digital distribution? well they're fucked.
Surprised you didn't mention one we've already seen; games on these digital models are sometimes taken off of their service. I mean, buying a digital release of a game only nets me the 'rights' to the game, but what if that's a game that was taken off of the service? Will it be removed from my system the same way barred books were deleted off of Kindle?
Wouldn't it be a better idea for those into digital distribution is for those wanting to purchase collectors editions allow those people to receive content in the mail or pick it up at a store that they purchased their content from?
@Congroo7 I'm a troll because I don't mind paying less money for games when they're on sale? I only buy games when they're on sale I'm a cheap ass not a troll.
Honestly, I'm all for digital distribution. It is the best way to get games and everything you need. Patches are there. Its cheaper, every negative of a game store is fixed with Steam. As for the download times and shitty internet? If the U.S. (Not sure about Europe and Canada) stopped focusing on stupid shit and invested in great internet like Japan, we would be fine. Companies would make their money, and we get our games. Everyone is happy. Besides, boxes take up space
digital distribution means centralisation, means less competetion, means higher prices. the problem is, that distributor, producer and seller are often the same company. so no one else can sell half life 9 or crysis 23 than ea or valve. so if you want to buy it, you have to buy it on steam or origin.
you see it already - the prices on steam for most games are much much higher than on amazon.
Ah, I highly doubt this would lower cost, for us. Company, yeah. I do yet don't dig digital, Minecraft was great (private small company) but something about (not talking wal mart GREATEST HITS FOR THE PC) the box art, manual and so forth were kinda cool. If I see... a cold day in hell, an old box of Doom or an add on in EB/Game Stop, if they have used PC section, I tend to buy it for collectors/shelf.
I love digital distribution, 10 to 15 games for the price of one game on a console, and they're all triple A titles and really good games? Hell yeah, sign me up.
The only problem they'll have is the download issue. Most of the time your internet goes or for that matter your internet is extremely slow. They need to fix that or allow you to play some parts of the game while the other loads.
The other being the security issues, the idea that these transaction are all over the internet and that these companies are liable to hacks to their system as well as yours if you not careful, leaves some problems in need of resolve.
Thumbs up if u think the futures gonna suck. I have only downloaded 1 full retail game in my life and that was Dead Space 1 (since no store in my area had it), I have not or never will download a book since I love having it. fuck Digital distribution for closing down borders I loved that place and bought all my manga from there now I have to resort to buying hard copies from Amazon.
i love going to the shop to get my games. i accept the fact that digital downloads are on there way but until them im going to enjoy waking up on a release day and rushing down to the shop to pick it up and then have it on my shelf. for me you just cant beat that feeling.
I agree with Digital Distribution but there are 2 things if they fix i will gladly be fully on the "DD" train. Also there is one thing that is not 100% true about what you said.
1. piracy will be the same for people that know what they are doing, if you can get the data off someone else's hard drive, and you have a modded OS you can play the game.
2.During that Summer sale on steam i obtained 50 games for 193$. But because of the traffic on the site i was not able to download it for 2 days after the sales ended. once they get more bandwidth i will be fine.
3. Out of those games i bought, "Sims 3" was one of them i can't use it online. Form what i read EA has a new Origin and the support for steam went away. if i am wrong someone PM me and tell me why i can't register my game with the CD Key.
I guess we must have bad internet as there are still plenty of music shops around where I live. Also, I just like having physical media. As Steve Banway pointed out, in another 30yrs time I'll still be able to play my MD games on my original MD. Not to sure about DD only games though.
Also, I think DD will actually make piracy much worse/easier. Physical media is always a big hurdle in that kind of thing. because your having to deal with a physical blocks instead of just software blocks.
Millions upon millions of gamers still have no online or have a 56k internet connection or bandwidth limitations. No publisher will risk a full games sales by releasing it only on digital. Now for indie games D.D. is fine, but if D.D. is the future all new games will be indie games.
@Paratrooper1n0 As much as I don't like Digital Distribution I do think it is going to become more main stream. It makes me wonder if there will come a time when the only way to get a physical copy will be to order one through the mail like they used to with Share Ware back in the day.
haha, that digital distribution is the future isn't even a question, it's just fact
And thankgoodness for that, even tho i don't think retailers will shut down completely.
If they're smart they'll just focus on creating a specified store for Console / Pc retail&repair and accessories such as gaming mice , headsets and game controllers/game pads because Tech stores rule :D
@tarantula4ever might i add to that they should probably also sell value cards you can use to purchase online games/software for those who do not have that option.
LMAO! So a no life loser is telling me to get a life? Maybe you should get a life.
"Want to DL a game?" "Sure!" "Do you have 20 - 50GB of free space." "Uh." And are you willing to wait hours if not days for the game to DL and waste your bandwidth so you can't do anything else online?" "..." "You want to go to the store and buy the game instead?" "Yeah!"
You're casual gaming brain needs to realize. Developers/Publishers will not risk losing millions of customers to save $3 - $8.
@Paratrooper1n0 at least my brain knows one game isn't even near 20 gigs ye fucking moron, and it ain't my fault your too poor to afford a decent internet connection with with no download limit. FIBER NET BITCH IN YO FACE! and FYI most game developers already make more money of selling they're games online then retail. and quit the casual gamer bullshit realy.. casual gamers don't have a 3.500 dollar alienware pc sitting on their desks, so kiss my ass ye poor fag. so ye, GO GET A LIFE
LMAO! You must still be playing games from 2005 then if you haven't seen a 20GB game.
Actually, Alienware computers are a casual gamers dream. The only person that needs a life is your lazy ass. Get some fresh air. And FYI, I'm not poor, and I don't waste $3500 on a PC that's only worth $2000.
@Paratrooper1n0 They are RARELY over 20gigs and you " the hard core gamer" are a sad fuck, you know that? yes you are poor, yes you have no life, and yes i do infact have a life. i have a dream job , my girl and all the money i need to be better then you :) Bottom line , i win at life, you failed at it , as the video title states : Accept it, or move on..
I'll go live in the future and love the technology,
While you can later be that grampa we all know that despises it :)
LMAO! You will be that grandpa that will despise it. Cause I know for a fact that physical media will remain the future for video games. Look at the PSPGo and the OnLive console, they both flopped. How am I poor? For not getting ripped off on a shitty overpriced PC? You are an idiot. How do I have no life? Oh wait, you cannot prove that I don't since I am still in school which makes me automatically have a life. The only person better than the other, is me. Selfish prick.
I'm sorry, but to think that the reasons stated will lead to cheaper games is, frankly, delusional. They will have gamers over a barrel and can charge what they want and unless there is a mass boycott (highly doubtful) gamers will pay. They're already used to paying $60 for a game and the developers will continue to use that price point as a baseline for their full games.
Now hand me my 2600 joystick. I'm staying the past where gaming is still fun and affordable.
@ProjectRegenesis Oh yes, I totally understand why it's good for the publishers and developers. It's just entirely unacceptable for end users like myself. Whether it works will come down to how many people continue to buy games purely as downloads. I can't answer that one.
I am ok with DD with games but with BOOKS that SUCKS. I love have a library full of books, i love to feel the pages in books. I do not like DD with books
I will be one of the people who will turn away from Digital Distribution, because I'm a collector. Also my internet provider rips me a new one every time I go over 30gb in a month and slows my connection to a snail pace. Gaming will end up being only for people who can pay for the best internet service money can buy and the people who can't will be left on the outside looking in.
@2hottie69 Ofc but that's why consoles still sell, because of exclusive games, would I own a PS3 or 360, or even the Wii if I could buy all the games for my PC, ofc not. DD on PC is great because of Steam and GoG, I love them, because they do not rape us in the ass like MS or even Sony does. Their games are affordable, which if you buy intelligently will cost you probably even less then selling the game afterwards, but you get to keep your game. DD on consoles IS crap, except for XBLA I guess
@2hottie69 That's true, but that's because Microsoft are money grubbing bastards, no one will buy the DD copies of games by their prices when physically they are cheaper, that's THEIR loss imo, Steam can sell games cheaper so it's the companies idiocy that loses them profit from DD. Steam also lets you put every game you own on a physical copy if you want to, and play them in offline mode, nothing is stopping you from doing that. I like to keep my games, I collect them, so idc about selling them
digital distribution will become mainstream. Due to the gamefly's, gamestops, and piracy. I don't personally don't like it I totally agree with 2hott on this one.
I must live under a rock. Most of the people I know still buy everything at retail stores. Hardly ever is anything bought online. Digital Distribution that's a whole other story. I keeping hearing all these stories and yet I never see any evidence of it in my area, or at least my group of people.
I would definitely say that digital is going to be the only way in the future, but I don't like it. I think it would be a shame for that to be the way to get games, books, movies, & music....
I like having a massive game collection and there will all ways be away to buy a physical copy of a game, there are still cd's though itunes took over.
people are not thinking about now for why it is bad. we are thinking of years later when the service is gone and there is no way to download stuff and you can't buy the used games anywhere to use on it. this is why i don't want this.
ehhh i kinda like having both options. I dont think dd will completely take over in the future, but it will be a big part. Lots of people like trading games with friends like in the old days. I love steam but i also love my shelf of game cases.
DD will work for casual gaming or small games. There is no way DD could get away with mass downloads of a 25gb game (current blue ray capacity). No country has the infrastructure to support that now or in a near future. Assuming the intent is to sell more games, a DD only world doesn't make any sense to me as that would alienate the vast majority of the world. As hardcore games only grow in size, a DD exclusive world is an utopia.
i love it but steam they need to beef up there bandwidth, i mean i have 24mbps adsl 2 and there transfer rates suck, i know its mega bits, not mega bites but still the speed sucks
Also you need a credit card and this hacking going around lately is scary i mean i guess you could use a prepaid card but digital distribution is a pain in the ass it's more convenient yes but there is still downsides to it.
The last game I will get a physical copy of is Battlefield 3. I'm not really getting into this Origin thing. Actually now that you mention it is that I hate that Borders is closing down. I don't have an e-reader and really didn't plan on getting one but not I can't get my graphic novels from them. Guess I could just buy one I did see graphic novels on a display e-reader in best buy so whatever. But I support DD. Being fairly new to Steam I was pleasently suprised on how cheap I could get games.
I fully agree with all your points, yet I dread the day gaming becomes solely DD. I think you are underestimating the impact DD will have on the gaming community that lacks access to a broadband connection. That's right, NO broadband. There are large portions of rural Canada and I imagine rural America where a broadband connection simply doesn't exist. The gamers living there will be left in the cold. I doubt developers are going to produce physical media to support rural North America.
@specterseal999 Uh... you aren't getting it. The scenario is for people who not only dont have access to the internet (50% of the current world) but there may come a time when you and countless others in the western world cant access their internet. These things dont last forever after all. If everyones whole gaming experience is reliant on your Internet being up, its a bit silly isnt it?
@specterseal999 you didnt read what i said. I said you need an internet connection to INSTALL steam in the first place. So even if you dont need a persistent connection to play Steam games, you still need one to install the system in the first place to play said games.
I'm very anti digital distribution. As a retro collector, in the future, a console that is exclusively digital download will be completely useless. The PSP Go is a perfect example of this. As soon as Sony stops supporting it, nothing new can be added, and if the on-board storage fails, there will be no way to reload any games.
A very pretty brick, and ok if you just want something to look at, but 30 years from now, I'd like to be able to play the thing, and add software if I choose.
@SteveBenway VERY interesting point...you should make a video response to this and talk about it...Also I got your message...I will write you a response tomm....
DD won't completely eliminate used game buying. Go to ebay, and look up "steam account" and you'll see a bunch of people selling their STEAM accounts and all their games along with them.
I like to have a actual copy of a disc or cartridge because you GET something for your money. I tend to play a game longer when i have to get up and put it in my system, Also what happens to the games when the downloads go down? A company fails and all the system exclusives are gone and someone wants to play them? What if your hard drive fails long after they are not available, they are just gone?
on a side note i see alot of second grandma and pop shops will burn up due to less stress lol good old retro collecting XD. At the sametime i do not mind paying for a game iif t is hugely costing less. When it comes to most physical copies of games its you get the generic case with the artwork. Guess whats inside of it 60% of the time a voucher to redeem that game only on steam and or whatever else they cook up. Once that voucher is used up, no more third party selling :P
I dont like buying my games through Steam because you dont get the box. That said sometimes I do buy my games through Steam, but id rather get the box which is why I have 4 pre orders at Gamestop.
@2hottie69 Don't be a moron. You don't lose your games if you forget your password or e-mail. It's already on your hard drive. Geez. Have you even downloaded a game before? How do you not know this shit?
@EPICsliceOFcake Actually I tried playing my steam games offline and it just kept giving me an error. besides it takes along time to download games oppose to just installing them from a disk.
@DiveBombRebel Exactly. Try putting Steam on an offline Machine to play your games. You may not need online to actually play all your games (some you do) but you need online to even install Steam in the first place to play them. So in essence you need Internet to play any of your games. An oxymoron.
@5ypher What I meant was one day my internet went out and I couldn't play any games cause steam kept getting an error and I had to get on an unsecure connection to play my games.
This whole thing just makes me wonder if Retro gaming will even be possible if Digital Distribution is indeed the future.
20 years from now no hard copy's of any games will exist, there will be no proof of them even existing.
Sure you can save games to hard drives and what not, but since we all know that tech is constantly changing and improving, who's to say that hard drives will even be relevant by then, and if that's the case it would be very hard if not impossible to play games you download.
@akkuma420yahoocom@SteveBenway Exactly. Depending on how some of these DD services are setup most games will pretty much cease to exist by 20 years. Heck we dont even know if the current form of the Internet is going to be around in 20 years. But with the way things are going I see them just charging ahead and 20 years down the line everyone will wonder what such and such a game was like. Just really not forward thinking.
Companies like Steam, Bungie, Blizzard, and other PC gaming developers will use Digital Distribution to save costs, pass some of the savings to their fans, and bring convenience for everyone.
Companies like EA, Activision, Capcom, and other console games will use Digital Distribution to gain bigger profits, eat into the market, and shove DLC down our throats.
But I'll say this: If there's a company that deserves to go under, it's Gamestop!
personally i just think that digital distribution is shit. it has no problems but its just shit. kinda how i dont like blue cheese. its food and there is nothing wrong with it but i think that i still just tastes like shit.
Another problem I have against it is a problem that is arising with ebooks could occur in video games; this problem is that the item destroys itself after a certain time (either with an "update" or a code that slowly deteriorates the code as it is played or something to that effect). The idea with books is that as you read them then they get damaged and eventually will need buying a new copy.I don't think Video Game companies are against doing the same thing.
I'm for digital distribution, it's so convenient and cheaper than retail. There will be 1 game that i won't get a digital copy for and that's battlefield 3.
Oh yeah, sooo convenient. When your HDD fails and you are not in RAID 1. Or your download gets interrupted. Or it takes hours and you couldn't do anything else online cause the download is using all the bandwidth.
You don't have to worry about JOBS as you eliminate truck drivers, plastic manufacturers, Printing machine makers, factory workers, and the little man who works behind the counter. Yeah..it saves money for the Company who makes the game but at what expense? Lets not look at this simply. Manufacturing and distribution creates JOBS. And without jobs...no matter how cheap games are...if people don't have jobs...they can't buy the game.
The price of Steam DD games will never be comparable to a console DD service. Because PC is an open platform thus anyone can open a DD service and compete with Steam.
What makes games prices fall are competition and demand. The reason Steam's are cheap is they have to compete with online retail, and other DD.
A console DD only service is a monopoly so the prices wont fall.
Retail stores competiing is what makes console games prices go down
Removing options is NEVER a good thing for consumers
- DD games have no inherit value due to being digital copies
- 'All you eggs in one basket' DD services require your internet connection to be up and their service to be operational in order to attain them. History proves downtime is a regular problem on both counts.
- 50% of the world has no internet (even less with a suitable speed to download DD files).
2 options, DD and physical, why not compare while we are here?
Hurting industry - costs of getting physical copy into stores
used game sales worse than piracy to developers
retail market - I meant there are no money saving deals at gamestop for pre-orders or games, and it is a really big point considering the world is in an economic crisis as we sit and argue about how we get a game into our hands.
@kampinkarl48 The cost of getting a game into retail stores is all on the publisher. And contrary to popular belief the actual printing costs of each these items is tiny compared to the markup they are getting. Retail stores do make hardly nothing on a newly released game. Like other business's they buy in bulk making pennies on each game but adding upto something in a large total. A game selling doesnt hurt the industry at all, its only helps.
@kampinkarl48 Used games being worse than piracy is just the latest in a long line of propaganda fed to gamers by publishers. Their job is to make as much money as possible and feed whatever lies possible in order to do that. Whether consumers buy into those lies is on them. All sales of games no matter used or new ALWAYS helps the industry, because just like the economy with small and large business they are all connected. The fall of one harms the other.
@kampinkarl48 New games / preorders dont have much of any discounts you are right, but thats because the RRP price of a game is nearly the price of the distribution price (the price Gamestop or whoever are getting it for) Like I mentioned they only make money due to bulk buying.
Games prices are high, and you are right in these economic times people are struggling. Its as good a reason as any for a Used games market.
@BLACKB0ND So i guess in a DD only world if i want to buy a game whilst my initernet is down I can follow your advice and use offline mode which requires a note written on a paper plane yeh? :p
Right now my access to buying games is soley on my responsibility as an individual to go to the store. In a DD only world the responsibility is no longer in my hands but on online services.
Who cares about the value of games? Myself and tons of other gamers.
while im all for the benefits of Digital Distribution as stevebenway says i just like having the game in my hand they something about that which i can not describe and i also know few PC gamers who feel like that
I feel that Full DD is further away then most people believe it to be. Games are getting bigger in data size & therefore lot more HDD space is eaten up very fast. The whole theory about the blizzard is flawed because internet usually shuts down due to satellite interference & what not! Also like to add that The PSPGO was a major failure simply due to it solely being DD based, as for the big 3 companies going complete DD, it would be a financial risk they will not take anytime soon in the future!
Lets give another example, a blizzard comes to my house and takes out my internet (like it has before). Another thing, I honestly just don't like downloading games and playing them, something feels off about it. Ill go ahead and download more games and see how I feel about it. I am a collector but it is all about the games, and I guess I wont quit gaming until I feel like the game industry isn't making games that I want. I don't like it, but I might as well try it first.
yeah, don't listen to persistant thug. he lives in denial and will continue to do so SIMPLY because he doesn't want DD to take over gaming. end of story
I think the atm/kiosk will be the sollution for low bandwith/caps, slide a sd/flash card in a slot buy a game with a credit or debit card. seems like most of our basic consumer transactions will get to this point. i see kiosks/atm machines all over la for random shit.
In 5-10 years the Internet will have advanced enough to where it will be good enough for games from dd for consoles. ATM it only takes me 30/40 minutes to download and install a retail sized game from steam. It's faster than a round trip to gamestop.
Listen to my words of supreme wisdom and knowledge (lol).
There will NEVER, be a successful full console system that does digital download only....Not ever.
Why? Because retail will not let it be. Console makers NEED retail in order to sell their hardware, and retail CANNOT be bypassed without severe consequences to the maker, or consumer.....or both.
Case in point: Tell me when you've seen ONLIVE's Console in a major brick&Mortor store.
Onlive has a partnership with AT&T, and not even AT&T is willing to carry their product.
ONLIVE Corp is headquartered in the Bay Area (Palo Alto), which is also where I'm from, btw.
There's not a single store here anywhere that carries it.
As a musician, I can walk my music into stores and get them to sell my material (consignment), it's a service many retailers offer to local artist/musicians.
You'd think Onlive could get some local stores to carry their product...But no 1 will
That's how things work, IcyRhythms. No emotions attached....just good old fashioned knowledge of how business works, which seemingly, and no offense, but you don't seem to quite have a grasp on.
That's ok...just follow my lead, and you'll latch on. :)
Yes we should.....can you stomach such a thing though, Mr IcyRhythms?
No offense, but you seem to lean more on the "sensitive" side. I mean, the last time I owned you, because you said Sony was likely to start mandatory charging for PSN gameplay, you banned me....And just like now, I WAS RIGHT, and you were wrong.
No offense, but I don't think you have the fortitude to deal with another loss. lol
1.this gen has the limited edtion trend been a smash hit for the larger Company,
so as long that the gaming companys earn alot on limit edtion e.x. collection edtion 160buc, they'll probably try to retain the disc e.tc format so that they can continue to receive cash of limited.
2nd bluay recently become part of the next gen format, which movie / game industry most likely will not abandon.
@Persistantthug you aren't the only one he has banned after being severely owned in the comments ;) Hes too sensitive to have a rational discussion with.
NEVER! EVER! EVVVEEEEEERRRR! Haha look at this sensitivity. Digital is taking over. Music, Books, Movies, PC Gaming, next stop CONSOLE Gaming. DEAL WITH IT.
i like Digital Distribution spesaly when u get offers iand they give u a code like vodofone did with the psvita
Hi675445 1 day ago
why colect game u ment to play them
Hi675445 1 day ago
this is happing all ready
Hi675445 1 day ago
i got psn account
Hi675445 1 day ago
well if anyone if looking to sell their MUSIC on itunes I know the cheapest route is at is . gd / aded12 (without the spaces)
Makell 1 month ago
i will stop buying games once it goes full digital distribution
darkz1820 1 month ago
I'm from the UK I won't stop gaming I will lose my job when the stores shutdown so pretty much sucks for me
BlackWater1986 2 months ago
i've got an idea for the next gen comsole's:
We all know that not everybody has an internet connection, so digital streaming will just hurt sales, but what if there's an alternative to digital content distribution?
Why not sell the new consoles with a very large hard drive, like say 1 or 2 terabites(when it becomes cheaper of course) and have retailers like gamestop have "game transferring booths", where you buy the game and they just transfer it to your hardrive.
ACEODST343 3 months ago
here is an idea, kinda funny really, why dont they well idk ........ just keep both -_-
there problem sovled. lol so simple. people overthink things nowadays intsead of just using common sense. im a consumer, so let me tell you what i want. i want options give your consumers options.
merleage2 4 months ago
if all game goes digital distribution i will not even bother with games at all prefer to have a physical copy is because i don't need to store it anywhere on the computer or redownload it
darkz1820 5 months ago
@Congroo7 You've gotta be kidding right?First off what games are exclusive to consoles that PC's are missing out on?Oh Halo 3/Reach,Gears 2 & 3,forza and sony exclusives,big fucking woop right there.Do I need to point you towards The Witcher 2,Killing Floor,Red Orchestra 2,Counter-Strike Source and Minecraft?You also forgot the fact that we get the better versions of games.BioShock 2 was $10 and guess what?I got Battlefield Bad Company 2 for $5.$5 fanboyism ftw
Blastmast3r 5 months ago
I'm for digital distribution mainly because retailers in Australia are giant assholes who like to charge up to $120 for a new release.Which is why steam or greenmangaming get my money.That is unless publishers decide to charge us more for digital content because of where we live.There should be more emphasis on digital distribution since the only time I'll be buying boxed copies are if they are cheaper than various digital download sites or they are special editions.
Blastmast3r 5 months ago
@Blastmast3r digital distribution will charge as much as a phsycal copy most of the time espically on ea's origin
darkz1820 5 months ago
Unless they do something about the bandwidthe cap here in Canada I am against digital distribution. I already pay enough for internet as it is I am not paying for more bandwidthe.
You download a 50 gig PS3 game, guess what you've used up your enitre bandwidthe supply in a month just on that one download. What about low income ppl who have no internet or slow internet and cant utilize digital distribution? well they're fucked.
Zain844 5 months ago
Surprised you didn't mention one we've already seen; games on these digital models are sometimes taken off of their service. I mean, buying a digital release of a game only nets me the 'rights' to the game, but what if that's a game that was taken off of the service? Will it be removed from my system the same way barred books were deleted off of Kindle?
ShakinJamacian 6 months ago
Wouldn't it be a better idea for those into digital distribution is for those wanting to purchase collectors editions allow those people to receive content in the mail or pick it up at a store that they purchased their content from?
gamemasterb4u 6 months ago
@Congroo7 It's OK, I forgot that having an opinion and a particular outlook and posting about it on youtube makes you a troll.
TheGuyWhoIsSitting 6 months ago
@Congroo7 I'm a troll because I don't mind paying less money for games when they're on sale? I only buy games when they're on sale I'm a cheap ass not a troll.
TheGuyWhoIsSitting 6 months ago
I don't think this is a big deal AT ALL. Usually when I get a downloaded game, I just put the file on an sd card and BAM! Physical copy.
AnnoyingNavi 6 months ago
I love steam because I have easy access to every game i ever bought...forever :)
Aggiesgigem 6 months ago
I've got steam and an xbox 360, nuff said. I'm happy with with both
verhappytoast 6 months ago
Honestly, I'm all for digital distribution. It is the best way to get games and everything you need. Patches are there. Its cheaper, every negative of a game store is fixed with Steam. As for the download times and shitty internet? If the U.S. (Not sure about Europe and Canada) stopped focusing on stupid shit and invested in great internet like Japan, we would be fine. Companies would make their money, and we get our games. Everyone is happy. Besides, boxes take up space
OnlyRemaining 7 months ago
digital distribution means centralisation, means less competetion, means higher prices. the problem is, that distributor, producer and seller are often the same company. so no one else can sell half life 9 or crysis 23 than ea or valve. so if you want to buy it, you have to buy it on steam or origin.
you see it already - the prices on steam for most games are much much higher than on amazon.
tiefensucht 7 months ago
Ah, I highly doubt this would lower cost, for us. Company, yeah. I do yet don't dig digital, Minecraft was great (private small company) but something about (not talking wal mart GREATEST HITS FOR THE PC) the box art, manual and so forth were kinda cool. If I see... a cold day in hell, an old box of Doom or an add on in EB/Game Stop, if they have used PC section, I tend to buy it for collectors/shelf.
marlboromike2100 7 months ago
I love digital distribution, 10 to 15 games for the price of one game on a console, and they're all triple A titles and really good games? Hell yeah, sign me up.
TheGuyWhoIsSitting 7 months ago
@2hottie69 = Casual gamer.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
@2hottie69
My info download speed is 20MBps where my file download speed is 1 - 2MBps. I have a PC that can play games. I'm in no hurry.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
The only problem they'll have is the download issue. Most of the time your internet goes or for that matter your internet is extremely slow. They need to fix that or allow you to play some parts of the game while the other loads.
The other being the security issues, the idea that these transaction are all over the internet and that these companies are liable to hacks to their system as well as yours if you not careful, leaves some problems in need of resolve.
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MrAthanz 7 months ago
Thumbs up if u think the futures gonna suck. I have only downloaded 1 full retail game in my life and that was Dead Space 1 (since no store in my area had it), I have not or never will download a book since I love having it. fuck Digital distribution for closing down borders I loved that place and bought all my manga from there now I have to resort to buying hard copies from Amazon.
lucas96180 7 months ago
i love going to the shop to get my games. i accept the fact that digital downloads are on there way but until them im going to enjoy waking up on a release day and rushing down to the shop to pick it up and then have it on my shelf. for me you just cant beat that feeling.
GamesDigital 7 months ago
I agree with Digital Distribution but there are 2 things if they fix i will gladly be fully on the "DD" train. Also there is one thing that is not 100% true about what you said.
1. piracy will be the same for people that know what they are doing, if you can get the data off someone else's hard drive, and you have a modded OS you can play the game.
4tutoralcom 7 months ago
@4tutoralcom
2.During that Summer sale on steam i obtained 50 games for 193$. But because of the traffic on the site i was not able to download it for 2 days after the sales ended. once they get more bandwidth i will be fine.
3. Out of those games i bought, "Sims 3" was one of them i can't use it online. Form what i read EA has a new Origin and the support for steam went away. if i am wrong someone PM me and tell me why i can't register my game with the CD Key.
4tutoralcom 7 months ago
@4tutoralcom
1: Piracy is actually a lot easier if the game is available through digital means already.
2: Yep, inconvenient.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
I guess we must have bad internet as there are still plenty of music shops around where I live. Also, I just like having physical media. As Steve Banway pointed out, in another 30yrs time I'll still be able to play my MD games on my original MD. Not to sure about DD only games though.
Also, I think DD will actually make piracy much worse/easier. Physical media is always a big hurdle in that kind of thing. because your having to deal with a physical blocks instead of just software blocks.
Disthron 7 months ago
@Disthron
Millions upon millions of gamers still have no online or have a 56k internet connection or bandwidth limitations. No publisher will risk a full games sales by releasing it only on digital. Now for indie games D.D. is fine, but if D.D. is the future all new games will be indie games.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
@Paratrooper1n0 not so sure about 56k but my connection is i think 765K :( It took me 3 whole days to download DeadSpace1 (6GB)
lucas96180 7 months ago
@lucas96180
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about the average download speed for the average internet user is less than 1MBps.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
@Paratrooper1n0 As much as I don't like Digital Distribution I do think it is going to become more main stream. It makes me wonder if there will come a time when the only way to get a physical copy will be to order one through the mail like they used to with Share Ware back in the day.
Disthron 7 months ago
@Disthron
I know that developers (that make retail gmaes) will not use D.D. exclusively as that would lose them customers which would lose them money.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
haha, that digital distribution is the future isn't even a question, it's just fact
And thankgoodness for that, even tho i don't think retailers will shut down completely.
If they're smart they'll just focus on creating a specified store for Console / Pc retail&repair and accessories such as gaming mice , headsets and game controllers/game pads because Tech stores rule :D
tarantula4ever 7 months ago
@tarantula4ever might i add to that they should probably also sell value cards you can use to purchase online games/software for those who do not have that option.
tarantula4ever 7 months ago
@tarantula4ever
Okay, then all you will be playing is indie games. Cause there will not be a full game that does not have a retail release. Stupid casual gamer.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
@Paratrooper1n0 hehe go get a life and go fuck yourself m8 :D hopefully you'll kill yourself over the coming future of digital distribution.
And you seriously think that because DD is the future that Game developers won't release any game anymore?
Then definately go kill yourself since you'll have no more games to live for and you'd have to go get a social life! OH NO!
tarantula4ever 7 months ago
@tarantula4ever
LMAO! So a no life loser is telling me to get a life? Maybe you should get a life.
"Want to DL a game?" "Sure!" "Do you have 20 - 50GB of free space." "Uh." And are you willing to wait hours if not days for the game to DL and waste your bandwidth so you can't do anything else online?" "..." "You want to go to the store and buy the game instead?" "Yeah!"
You're casual gaming brain needs to realize. Developers/Publishers will not risk losing millions of customers to save $3 - $8.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
@Paratrooper1n0 at least my brain knows one game isn't even near 20 gigs ye fucking moron, and it ain't my fault your too poor to afford a decent internet connection with with no download limit. FIBER NET BITCH IN YO FACE! and FYI most game developers already make more money of selling they're games online then retail. and quit the casual gamer bullshit realy.. casual gamers don't have a 3.500 dollar alienware pc sitting on their desks, so kiss my ass ye poor fag. so ye, GO GET A LIFE
tarantula4ever 7 months ago
@tarantula4ever
LMAO! You must still be playing games from 2005 then if you haven't seen a 20GB game.
Actually, Alienware computers are a casual gamers dream. The only person that needs a life is your lazy ass. Get some fresh air. And FYI, I'm not poor, and I don't waste $3500 on a PC that's only worth $2000.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
@Paratrooper1n0 They are RARELY over 20gigs and you " the hard core gamer" are a sad fuck, you know that? yes you are poor, yes you have no life, and yes i do infact have a life. i have a dream job , my girl and all the money i need to be better then you :) Bottom line , i win at life, you failed at it , as the video title states : Accept it, or move on..
I'll go live in the future and love the technology,
While you can later be that grampa we all know that despises it :)
i'm done with ya.
cya
tarantula4ever 7 months ago
@tarantula4ever
LMAO! You will be that grandpa that will despise it. Cause I know for a fact that physical media will remain the future for video games. Look at the PSPGo and the OnLive console, they both flopped. How am I poor? For not getting ripped off on a shitty overpriced PC? You are an idiot. How do I have no life? Oh wait, you cannot prove that I don't since I am still in school which makes me automatically have a life. The only person better than the other, is me. Selfish prick.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
I'm sorry, but to think that the reasons stated will lead to cheaper games is, frankly, delusional. They will have gamers over a barrel and can charge what they want and unless there is a mass boycott (highly doubtful) gamers will pay. They're already used to paying $60 for a game and the developers will continue to use that price point as a baseline for their full games.
Now hand me my 2600 joystick. I'm staying the past where gaming is still fun and affordable.
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LastSpartanInforce 7 months ago
This is nonsense NOTHING will be getting cheaper.
NefariousVirtuoso88 7 months ago
@ProjectRegenesis
Yeah, but you also get a lot less sales with D.D. as the majority of gamers get the more reliable and convenient physical copy.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
@ProjectRegenesis Oh yes, I totally understand why it's good for the publishers and developers. It's just entirely unacceptable for end users like myself. Whether it works will come down to how many people continue to buy games purely as downloads. I can't answer that one.
SteveBenway 7 months ago
I called BS until you brought up Borders and music stores. You're right.
But seriously, I'll probably quit gaming like that and pull out my PS2 and master Devil May Cry 3.
Yamtendo 7 months ago
i'm the first to go :D fuck digital i need physical copy
liljio14 7 months ago
Hell, Im all for Cloud gaming already so DD won't be a problem to accept lol
GamerX89X 7 months ago
I am ok with DD with games but with BOOKS that SUCKS. I love have a library full of books, i love to feel the pages in books. I do not like DD with books
shadowmax889 7 months ago
@2hottie69
You said something smart for once!
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
I will be one of the people who will turn away from Digital Distribution, because I'm a collector. Also my internet provider rips me a new one every time I go over 30gb in a month and slows my connection to a snail pace. Gaming will end up being only for people who can pay for the best internet service money can buy and the people who can't will be left on the outside looking in.
KaotikKnight 7 months ago
@2hottie69 Ofc but that's why consoles still sell, because of exclusive games, would I own a PS3 or 360, or even the Wii if I could buy all the games for my PC, ofc not. DD on PC is great because of Steam and GoG, I love them, because they do not rape us in the ass like MS or even Sony does. Their games are affordable, which if you buy intelligently will cost you probably even less then selling the game afterwards, but you get to keep your game. DD on consoles IS crap, except for XBLA I guess
VoidKeeper 7 months ago
@2hottie69 That's true, but that's because Microsoft are money grubbing bastards, no one will buy the DD copies of games by their prices when physically they are cheaper, that's THEIR loss imo, Steam can sell games cheaper so it's the companies idiocy that loses them profit from DD. Steam also lets you put every game you own on a physical copy if you want to, and play them in offline mode, nothing is stopping you from doing that. I like to keep my games, I collect them, so idc about selling them
VoidKeeper 7 months ago
@2hottie69 Leave the username and password to someone on your Will XD.
VoidKeeper 7 months ago
digital distribution will become mainstream. Due to the gamefly's, gamestops, and piracy. I don't personally don't like it I totally agree with 2hott on this one.
SuperJH007 7 months ago
I must live under a rock. Most of the people I know still buy everything at retail stores. Hardly ever is anything bought online. Digital Distribution that's a whole other story. I keeping hearing all these stories and yet I never see any evidence of it in my area, or at least my group of people.
StuinthaHouse 7 months ago
it will deminish piracy? wtf watched the net latley?
oxxor77 7 months ago
@2hottie69 thats the the digital cd keys are for dumb ass wright them down and put them in a safe
Mohagrus 7 months ago
And what if Valve ends up having to shut down? What will happen to your PC games then? They'll be gone for good.
usernamessuck58 7 months ago
I would definitely say that digital is going to be the only way in the future, but I don't like it. I think it would be a shame for that to be the way to get games, books, movies, & music....
zillzultraboy 7 months ago
there are people in America that don't even have internet or dileup even
james42519 7 months ago
I like having a massive game collection and there will all ways be away to buy a physical copy of a game, there are still cd's though itunes took over.
epikgameroom 7 months ago
people are not thinking about now for why it is bad. we are thinking of years later when the service is gone and there is no way to download stuff and you can't buy the used games anywhere to use on it. this is why i don't want this.
james42519 7 months ago
Awesome, so now i can spend days downloading a 50gb bluray game, where do i sign up?
worldgate989 7 months ago
ehhh i kinda like having both options. I dont think dd will completely take over in the future, but it will be a big part. Lots of people like trading games with friends like in the old days. I love steam but i also love my shelf of game cases.
koga871 7 months ago
I like folders for DD
Guding12 7 months ago
Another thought, DD = less jobs. That is not something US economy needs at all.
onetunafish 7 months ago
@onetunafish Technology per se, kills employment every time. But you are right about that.
zomgcontraishard 7 months ago
DD will work for casual gaming or small games. There is no way DD could get away with mass downloads of a 25gb game (current blue ray capacity). No country has the infrastructure to support that now or in a near future. Assuming the intent is to sell more games, a DD only world doesn't make any sense to me as that would alienate the vast majority of the world. As hardcore games only grow in size, a DD exclusive world is an utopia.
onetunafish 7 months ago
i love it but steam they need to beef up there bandwidth, i mean i have 24mbps adsl 2 and there transfer rates suck, i know its mega bits, not mega bites but still the speed sucks
ford460v8 7 months ago
Hate it
BigPlayKiller 7 months ago
Also you need a credit card and this hacking going around lately is scary i mean i guess you could use a prepaid card but digital distribution is a pain in the ass it's more convenient yes but there is still downsides to it.
dangerous562 7 months ago
what happens if the network goes down?you can't buy the games digitally.
dangerous562 7 months ago
The last game I will get a physical copy of is Battlefield 3. I'm not really getting into this Origin thing. Actually now that you mention it is that I hate that Borders is closing down. I don't have an e-reader and really didn't plan on getting one but not I can't get my graphic novels from them. Guess I could just buy one I did see graphic novels on a display e-reader in best buy so whatever. But I support DD. Being fairly new to Steam I was pleasently suprised on how cheap I could get games.
LaughingBoy1099 7 months ago
I fully agree with all your points, yet I dread the day gaming becomes solely DD. I think you are underestimating the impact DD will have on the gaming community that lacks access to a broadband connection. That's right, NO broadband. There are large portions of rural Canada and I imagine rural America where a broadband connection simply doesn't exist. The gamers living there will be left in the cold. I doubt developers are going to produce physical media to support rural North America.
RCRelBee 7 months ago
@2hottie69 Brilliantly stated.
nohozana 7 months ago
@5ypher I did read it and what are the chances people still don't have Internet connection these days?
specterseal999 7 months ago
@specterseal999 Uh... you aren't getting it. The scenario is for people who not only dont have access to the internet (50% of the current world) but there may come a time when you and countless others in the western world cant access their internet. These things dont last forever after all. If everyones whole gaming experience is reliant on your Internet being up, its a bit silly isnt it?
5ypher 7 months ago
...digital distrubution is the reason there is piracy its.called steam then crack then Torrent
DavidusMaximusWin 7 months ago
I just like my physical collection of games
DavidusMaximusWin 7 months ago
The dude below me, I can download star wars knights of the old republic through steam and play then WITHOUT Internet...
You high bro? I'm definitely for digital distribution. Cheaper games and instant access is a win win for me
specterseal999 7 months ago
@specterseal999 you didnt read what i said. I said you need an internet connection to INSTALL steam in the first place. So even if you dont need a persistent connection to play Steam games, you still need one to install the system in the first place to play said games.
5ypher 7 months ago
I'm very anti digital distribution. As a retro collector, in the future, a console that is exclusively digital download will be completely useless. The PSP Go is a perfect example of this. As soon as Sony stops supporting it, nothing new can be added, and if the on-board storage fails, there will be no way to reload any games.
A very pretty brick, and ok if you just want something to look at, but 30 years from now, I'd like to be able to play the thing, and add software if I choose.
SteveBenway 7 months ago 11
@SteveBenway VERY interesting point...you should make a video response to this and talk about it...Also I got your message...I will write you a response tomm....
ReviewTechUSA 7 months ago
@ReviewTechUSA
Actually with digital distribution, piracy becomes easier as hackers do not need to rip the game off of a disc.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
@SteveBenway I completely agree. I wasn't alive when the NES was around, but I love mine.
Yamtendo 7 months ago
digital distribution = industry whores' wet dream
RagedContinuum 7 months ago
DD won't completely eliminate used game buying. Go to ebay, and look up "steam account" and you'll see a bunch of people selling their STEAM accounts and all their games along with them.
ez3002008 7 months ago
I like to have a actual copy of a disc or cartridge because you GET something for your money. I tend to play a game longer when i have to get up and put it in my system, Also what happens to the games when the downloads go down? A company fails and all the system exclusives are gone and someone wants to play them? What if your hard drive fails long after they are not available, they are just gone?
larryinc64 7 months ago
I perfer a fucking disc, im 10o% against this digital shit, two words, DATA CORRUPTION
bretthicksomega 7 months ago
on a side note i see alot of second grandma and pop shops will burn up due to less stress lol good old retro collecting XD. At the sametime i do not mind paying for a game iif t is hugely costing less. When it comes to most physical copies of games its you get the generic case with the artwork. Guess whats inside of it 60% of the time a voucher to redeem that game only on steam and or whatever else they cook up. Once that voucher is used up, no more third party selling :P
therealAgerbon 7 months ago
fucking E-Readers.
461guy 7 months ago
ill stay with physical copy until i can afford to buy games online
bigM10231 7 months ago
I dont like buying my games through Steam because you dont get the box. That said sometimes I do buy my games through Steam, but id rather get the box which is why I have 4 pre orders at Gamestop.
CCGeorgeWashington 7 months ago
@2hottie69 Don't be a moron. You don't lose your games if you forget your password or e-mail. It's already on your hard drive. Geez. Have you even downloaded a game before? How do you not know this shit?
EPICsliceOFcake 7 months ago
@EPICsliceOFcake Actually I tried playing my steam games offline and it just kept giving me an error. besides it takes along time to download games oppose to just installing them from a disk.
DiveBombRebel 7 months ago
@DiveBombRebel Exactly. Try putting Steam on an offline Machine to play your games. You may not need online to actually play all your games (some you do) but you need online to even install Steam in the first place to play them. So in essence you need Internet to play any of your games. An oxymoron.
5ypher 7 months ago
@5ypher What I meant was one day my internet went out and I couldn't play any games cause steam kept getting an error and I had to get on an unsecure connection to play my games.
DiveBombRebel 7 months ago
This whole thing just makes me wonder if Retro gaming will even be possible if Digital Distribution is indeed the future.
20 years from now no hard copy's of any games will exist, there will be no proof of them even existing.
Sure you can save games to hard drives and what not, but since we all know that tech is constantly changing and improving, who's to say that hard drives will even be relevant by then, and if that's the case it would be very hard if not impossible to play games you download.
akkuma420yahoocom 7 months ago
@akkuma420yahoocom @SteveBenway Exactly. Depending on how some of these DD services are setup most games will pretty much cease to exist by 20 years. Heck we dont even know if the current form of the Internet is going to be around in 20 years. But with the way things are going I see them just charging ahead and 20 years down the line everyone will wonder what such and such a game was like. Just really not forward thinking.
5ypher 7 months ago
I would quit gaming. There is a world out there, there are other things to do than gaming.
DeadlyNerotoxins 7 months ago
Companies like Steam, Bungie, Blizzard, and other PC gaming developers will use Digital Distribution to save costs, pass some of the savings to their fans, and bring convenience for everyone.
Companies like EA, Activision, Capcom, and other console games will use Digital Distribution to gain bigger profits, eat into the market, and shove DLC down our throats.
But I'll say this: If there's a company that deserves to go under, it's Gamestop!
thefairfaxian 7 months ago
Some things should never be digital only. Books.
Korudo 7 months ago
i rather go on amazon and buy the hardcopy i dont support only downloading
miguelangelv7 7 months ago
personally i just think that digital distribution is shit. it has no problems but its just shit. kinda how i dont like blue cheese. its food and there is nothing wrong with it but i think that i still just tastes like shit.
Ozznize 7 months ago
Another problem I have against it is a problem that is arising with ebooks could occur in video games; this problem is that the item destroys itself after a certain time (either with an "update" or a code that slowly deteriorates the code as it is played or something to that effect). The idea with books is that as you read them then they get damaged and eventually will need buying a new copy.I don't think Video Game companies are against doing the same thing.
Dixavd 7 months ago
Love it.
ICzar13 7 months ago
I'm for digital distribution, it's so convenient and cheaper than retail. There will be 1 game that i won't get a digital copy for and that's battlefield 3.
buklao 7 months ago 4
@buklao
Oh yeah, sooo convenient. When your HDD fails and you are not in RAID 1. Or your download gets interrupted. Or it takes hours and you couldn't do anything else online cause the download is using all the bandwidth.
Paratrooper1n0 7 months ago
I love Digital Distribution now, it is a lot more convenient for me. Though, I still love collecting game boxes lol x)
Xport9 7 months ago
You don't have to worry about JOBS as you eliminate truck drivers, plastic manufacturers, Printing machine makers, factory workers, and the little man who works behind the counter. Yeah..it saves money for the Company who makes the game but at what expense? Lets not look at this simply. Manufacturing and distribution creates JOBS. And without jobs...no matter how cheap games are...if people don't have jobs...they can't buy the game.
GlockNinja 7 months ago
@GlockNinja old jobs are lost, but new ones are created in their place on the new sector.
For every manufacturing job lost there will be a technical support job gained
humpmasterflex9 7 months ago
also hackers will have the time of their lives with DD. If they think piracy is bad now, wait and see...
onetunafish 7 months ago
Games won't become more affordable no matter what. Sadly DD is the future, however physical media won't cease to exist completely.
onetunafish 7 months ago
The price of Steam DD games will never be comparable to a console DD service. Because PC is an open platform thus anyone can open a DD service and compete with Steam.
What makes games prices fall are competition and demand. The reason Steam's are cheap is they have to compete with online retail, and other DD.
A console DD only service is a monopoly so the prices wont fall.
Retail stores competiing is what makes console games prices go down
Removing options is NEVER a good thing for consumers
5ypher 7 months ago
Negatives:
- DD games have no inherit value due to being digital copies
- 'All you eggs in one basket' DD services require your internet connection to be up and their service to be operational in order to attain them. History proves downtime is a regular problem on both counts.
- 50% of the world has no internet (even less with a suitable speed to download DD files).
5ypher 7 months ago
@5ypher negatives of physical media
- have to pay retail market
- hurts the gaming industry
- stores run out of copies
- stores hours affect when you buy and online takes time to be shipped
- physical copies can get stolen or lost
- physical copies can get scratched and broken very easily
kampinkarl48 7 months ago
@kampinkarl48 already covered the store hours and access to physical and a positive for DD.
Paying retail market, and hurting the gaming industry. Not sure where you got those from lol.
This is about positive and negatives of DD not physical.
5ypher 7 months ago
@5ypher didn't see it, my bad
2 options, DD and physical, why not compare while we are here?
Hurting industry - costs of getting physical copy into stores
used game sales worse than piracy to developers
retail market - I meant there are no money saving deals at gamestop for pre-orders or games, and it is a really big point considering the world is in an economic crisis as we sit and argue about how we get a game into our hands.
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kampinkarl48 7 months ago
@kampinkarl48 The cost of getting a game into retail stores is all on the publisher. And contrary to popular belief the actual printing costs of each these items is tiny compared to the markup they are getting. Retail stores do make hardly nothing on a newly released game. Like other business's they buy in bulk making pennies on each game but adding upto something in a large total. A game selling doesnt hurt the industry at all, its only helps.
5ypher 7 months ago
@kampinkarl48 Used games being worse than piracy is just the latest in a long line of propaganda fed to gamers by publishers. Their job is to make as much money as possible and feed whatever lies possible in order to do that. Whether consumers buy into those lies is on them. All sales of games no matter used or new ALWAYS helps the industry, because just like the economy with small and large business they are all connected. The fall of one harms the other.
5ypher 7 months ago
@kampinkarl48 New games / preorders dont have much of any discounts you are right, but thats because the RRP price of a game is nearly the price of the distribution price (the price Gamestop or whoever are getting it for) Like I mentioned they only make money due to bulk buying.
Games prices are high, and you are right in these economic times people are struggling. Its as good a reason as any for a Used games market.
5ypher 7 months ago
@5ypher
History proves OFFLINE MODE is available. Who cares about the value of games. You play them this isn't Magic the Gathering Trading Cards.
BLACKB0ND 7 months ago
@BLACKB0ND So i guess in a DD only world if i want to buy a game whilst my initernet is down I can follow your advice and use offline mode which requires a note written on a paper plane yeh? :p
Right now my access to buying games is soley on my responsibility as an individual to go to the store. In a DD only world the responsibility is no longer in my hands but on online services.
Who cares about the value of games? Myself and tons of other gamers.
5ypher 7 months ago
Anyway, people, it was just an analogy. What I'm trying to say is... you DD nuthuggers are fuckin' lame. PEACE!
AgentMorgan2010 7 months ago
Positives:
- DD games take up no shelf space. Perfect for our 'throw away society'.
- If you have no access to a local store to buy physical you can download (although you could just buy off Amazon etc)
- You can buy media 24/7. Physical retail stores have opening and closing hours.
5ypher 7 months ago
while im all for the benefits of Digital Distribution as stevebenway says i just like having the game in my hand they something about that which i can not describe and i also know few PC gamers who feel like that
theg00dnamesg0ne 7 months ago
I feel that Full DD is further away then most people believe it to be. Games are getting bigger in data size & therefore lot more HDD space is eaten up very fast. The whole theory about the blizzard is flawed because internet usually shuts down due to satellite interference & what not! Also like to add that The PSPGO was a major failure simply due to it solely being DD based, as for the big 3 companies going complete DD, it would be a financial risk they will not take anytime soon in the future!
MrQuantumChaos 7 months ago
am i the only one who remembers the psp go?
that thing tried with digital distribution only and ended up being a failure
deeprest1 7 months ago
What about cloud gaming
Ax07605 7 months ago
by 2015 all gaming well be done through cloud services not physical media
levigamer09 7 months ago
Lets give another example, a blizzard comes to my house and takes out my internet (like it has before). Another thing, I honestly just don't like downloading games and playing them, something feels off about it. Ill go ahead and download more games and see how I feel about it. I am a collector but it is all about the games, and I guess I wont quit gaming until I feel like the game industry isn't making games that I want. I don't like it, but I might as well try it first.
Nightridergamer 7 months ago
Always Both
danmanpio 7 months ago
yeah, don't listen to persistant thug. he lives in denial and will continue to do so SIMPLY because he doesn't want DD to take over gaming. end of story
IcyRhythms 7 months ago
What about kids who dont have credit cards and there parents refuse to put there credit card on the console?
KidStranglehold 7 months ago
I think the atm/kiosk will be the sollution for low bandwith/caps, slide a sd/flash card in a slot buy a game with a credit or debit card. seems like most of our basic consumer transactions will get to this point. i see kiosks/atm machines all over la for random shit.
filthyagent36 7 months ago
Thumbs up if you bought the THQ complete pack. :D
EPICsliceOFcake 7 months ago
In 5-10 years the Internet will have advanced enough to where it will be good enough for games from dd for consoles. ATM it only takes me 30/40 minutes to download and install a retail sized game from steam. It's faster than a round trip to gamestop.
RevJesseJackson 7 months ago
ReviewTechUSA,
Listen to my words of supreme wisdom and knowledge (lol).
There will NEVER, be a successful full console system that does digital download only....Not ever.
Why? Because retail will not let it be. Console makers NEED retail in order to sell their hardware, and retail CANNOT be bypassed without severe consequences to the maker, or consumer.....or both.
Case in point: Tell me when you've seen ONLIVE's Console in a major brick&Mortor store.
Answer: You haven't you u never will.
Persistantthug 7 months ago
@Persistantthug look at you
comparing onlive to the big three(ms,nintendo, and sony lol)
and then wonder why it's not in most of the major retailers
IcyRhythms 7 months ago
@IcyRhythms
Onlive has a partnership with AT&T, and not even AT&T is willing to carry their product.
ONLIVE Corp is headquartered in the Bay Area (Palo Alto), which is also where I'm from, btw.
There's not a single store here anywhere that carries it.
As a musician, I can walk my music into stores and get them to sell my material (consignment), it's a service many retailers offer to local artist/musicians.
You'd think Onlive could get some local stores to carry their product...But no 1 will
Persistantthug 7 months ago
@Persistantthug online isn't ms, sony, or nintendo(hell, apple even if they decide to get into making consoles)
it doesn't matter how you feel or what your emotions are of it. it's coming and there is little you or myself can do but watch it take over.
IcyRhythms 7 months ago
@IcyRhythms
The day when we don't need physical media, will be the day when we don't need console systems anymore.
Retail demands phycical media....without phys media, retail doesn't sell said company's console.
That's how things work, IcyRhythms. No emotions attached....just good old fashioned knowledge of how business works, which seemingly, and no offense, but you don't seem to quite have a grasp on.
That's ok...just follow my lead, and you'll latch on. :)
Persistantthug 7 months ago
@Persistantthug onlive* my bad on that
IcyRhythms 7 months ago
@IcyRhythms
2.
So I'll repeat it again....and I challenge you or anyone else to challenge me (because my wisdom is unparallelled...lol)
NO DIGITAL DOWNLOAD CONSOLE WILL EVER BE SUCCESSFUL....EVER.
Persistantthug 7 months ago
@Persistantthug we should bet money on it lol ; )
IcyRhythms 7 months ago
@IcyRhythms
Yes we should.....can you stomach such a thing though, Mr IcyRhythms?
No offense, but you seem to lean more on the "sensitive" side. I mean, the last time I owned you, because you said Sony was likely to start mandatory charging for PSN gameplay, you banned me....And just like now, I WAS RIGHT, and you were wrong.
No offense, but I don't think you have the fortitude to deal with another loss. lol
Persistantthug 7 months ago
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zebure 7 months ago
@Persistantthug
Persistantthug hi you have a good point;
I would like to add two things
1.this gen has the limited edtion trend been a smash hit for the larger Company,
so as long that the gaming companys earn alot on limit edtion e.x. collection edtion 160buc, they'll probably try to retain the disc e.tc format so that they can continue to receive cash of limited.
2nd bluay recently become part of the next gen format, which movie / game industry most likely will not abandon.
zebure 7 months ago
@Persistantthug you aren't the only one he has banned after being severely owned in the comments ;) Hes too sensitive to have a rational discussion with.
5ypher 7 months ago
@Persistantthug
NEVER! EVER! EVVVEEEEEERRRR! Haha look at this sensitivity. Digital is taking over. Music, Books, Movies, PC Gaming, next stop CONSOLE Gaming. DEAL WITH IT.
BLACKB0ND 7 months ago
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zebure 7 months ago
@Persistantthug
Funny how retail sells ipods, mp3's, smartphones, tablets, ect lol
BLACKB0ND 7 months ago
@BLACKB0ND
None of those are CONSOLES, BLACKB0ND.
nuff said, son.
Persistantthug 7 months ago
@Persistantthug
I keep forgetting that game consoles are excluded from the reality LOL
BLACKB0ND 7 months ago