AK Mag Change from Argive Defense Systems

[skybari]

I've seen the Polish special forces vid and your vid and don't understand why the rifle needs to be rocked right and left before stripping the mag and reloading. I'm an ak owner and I'm curious what the reason is.

[rab386]

you lose fine motor skills when stressed (a.k. a. a firefight) this training forces you to make gross motor skills in an effort to "flick" the magazine out of the receiver. i think the first rock is so he can visually check the camber, the second is to line up the magazine well to receive the fresh magazine. I have never had any training with the AK-47 weapon system. so i am just speculating, but this is my best guess.

[RobertDesrosiers]

Yes, it is for a visual conformation of the ejection port/breach. Similar to the "S" portion of S.P.O.R.T.(slap-pull-observe-r­ack-tap) than many are use to on the AR platform. It is a step that some may argue is not nesessary for the AK. I am not entirely dogmatic about this approach. It's more a matter of what you are comfortable with. I do it much slower than some. If it is done too fast your ability to actually see what is going is greatly hindered.

[Kekkon3n]

@skybari I agree with you. I served in the finnish defence forces and to me that kind of throwing of magazines is also quite unnecessary.

The mag change can be done almost as quickly by not dropping the mag. Just keep the mags parallel change so that the empty one stays in ur hand then quickly rack the slide (hand over the receiver) (at this point ready to fire) and then just slide the mag to the dump. With out the rocking motion. Maybe just my preference..

[Tarrzzann777]

otacon: Lower capacity mag holsters are for people who dont have a need for high volumes of ammo,. Some missions/tasks dont require as much ammo and may even require increased concielability. therefor, lower cap. ammo holster.

[Otacon237]

Looks nice, but it might be a problem if you want to carry more than just a couple. I bet it would be good for competitions though.

[RobertDesrosiers]

As Tarrzzann has eluded too. Not everyone has a need for a 270 round load-out. Depends if you are looking to configure your, "tactical package" for a more low profile approach. Or as I was demonstrating in the video it might be placed there as nothing more than a supplement in case of an injured arm scenario. A "just in case" set-up.

[blizzak454]

Awesome. but...maybe a black shirt wasn't the best choice. great mag changes.

[AlCapwner93]

Great video and a great system. Perfect reloads too.

[Shadowhunter712]

Say thats some pretty handy gear and training tips. Man it sure sucks to do that stuff one handed. Good vid thanks for the helpful info.

[gundree]

When I see mag changes like this I wonder why not use the trigger hand. Then the hand used for the magazine change and use the charging handle would be the same one. I understand that the M-4/M-16 style of magazine release allows you to keep your hand on the trigger and expedite the change but it is not possible with the AK family. Keeping your left hand on the foregrip would limit your range of movement but be a faster magazine change

[RobertDesrosiers]

No offense, but I have never heard of any trainer advocating such a technique with the AK system. The Idea is to keep what has been called your "FFG" (fucking firing grip). Also, when preforming the change it is more advantagous to pull the weapon in close to your body. Under stress, bio-mechanically it is easier to perform manipulations with the the limbs close in as opposed to extended. That would not be possible with the technique that you suggest.

[RobertDesrosiers]

Also, pulling the muzzle vertically and canting it allows the shooter to have a better view of the mag well which will aid in reseating a new mag.

[rpearl540]

will the kydex hold a polymer bulgarian circle 10 magazine?

[RobertDesrosiers]

I'm am not quite sure of you mags dimensions.

Give the guys at Raven a call.

[unclereko]

Thanks, that was a very good video. I might just have to get one or two of them! They sound great for a light load, or concealed carry of extra mags.

[SimpStone80]

this is rather strange. I have been drawing on a very simular module the last couple of weeks.

some differences but essentially the same idea.

it's just a bit scarry when stuff like this happens...

[RobertDesrosiers]

Believe it or not I would love to hear your thoughts on the matter.

They way I look at it though, this weapon system has been around for over 50 years. Chances are if we are under the impression that we came up with something new, someone decades ago has probably already done it. We might have a different "twist", so to speak but there are only so many ways this rifle can be manipulated.

[SimpStone80]

I know what you mean.

the differense between the idea I had and this is mainly in the material uesed.

same as here I went from the idea that your mag should be in your belt.

and that the mag should be easely accesable. which is the problem with assault vests unless you have magpulls of some sort. especially since with an AK you use your mag to reload which makes magpulls a bit clumbsy to use. not much but enough.

[dracheous]

I've watched this vid a couple times, I would love to see a drop-leg set up, or at least see if its practical for this type of magazine holster. AK mags are brutal for space, if you can get them spaced out over your body it'd surely help with the ergonomics of the gun.

[Gunnman1985]

Good stuff bob. Maybe a gray shirt next time?

[RobertDesrosiers]

Black is tooo cool, though. I can live with everyone straining their eyes....

[combatcamera4671]

Excellent reaload drill. Great product. Thanks for the video review!

[RobertDesrosiers]

Thank you for your kind comments.

[tango16]

I am just saying it would be near impossible to get the magazine from your weakside all the way over to your strongside with only one arm, under fire, while trying to manage your weapon. I tried it last night with my blade tech carrier and yeah its not happening in any timely manner.

[RobertDesrosiers]

Agreed. I think you need to view the video again. I thought it was pretty clear. The spare mag can be placed on the strong side to help facilitate a weak side inj. where you are only utilizing a strong side only weapon manipulation. Hence, both weapon and mag are on the same side. At least for that possible scenario. Loadouts are very individualistic and are determined by many factors. This is only showing two possible uses for a single AK mag carrier.

[tango16]

True, sorry for being an ass. I just always question when instructors demonstrate techniques that dont seem to work from my paradigm. You did sell that product very well. Going to have to pick one up to try it out at least. Have you used any of their other products?

[RobertDesrosiers]

Not a problem Tango. No harm no foul. Again I would say that this could supplement your current load-out configuration. Putting a spare where you may need it. I am running their Phantom Rig for the Glock 19 with double mag pouch carrier.(OWB) Very comfy low profile. Their AK mag pouch is not listed so give Mike Goerlich a call. 440-465-7111. Very friendly and will make anything you want. A company to watch. Tell them we sent you! Good luck.

[tango16]

So you anticipated having your left arm injured and pre-positioned the magazine on your strong side, pulled the magazine all the way around? WTFO?

[RobertDesrosiers]

I would say that any load-out is prepositioned. Would you not agree? This is also done with pistol mags for the possibility of an appendage going down.