Spontaneous Order

[RjWeapon]

@yinzjagoffs

Self-organization and radical decentralization would serve as a bulwark against state power. As long as man exists, there will always be war, hate, greed, etc. There will never be a "peaceful planet" or a real life Elvis Costello song. As Malatesta explained, we do not believe in the infallibility or general goodness of the masses; on the contrary. But we believe even less in the infallibility and goodness of those who seize power and legislate.

[warcry136]

thank you for this..

[ggalliphresh]

This. Is. Amazing.

[usaintltrade]

You are good

[Cbf3v3r]

You inspire me to be a more thoughtful human being. Your 'lecture' writing leaves me awe struck.

[InvincibleNumanist]

You sound like Quinn from Dexter!

[Cbf3v3r]

You write the most amazing 'speeches'. /tear

[citizenlares]

@rjweapon thanks already did.. We need to spread logic and reason. If we don't see freedom in our life time it's ok but we know it's coming social change is consistent it was like 200 years 2 generations that we had slavery ... Its coming

[citizenlares]

can i mirror?

[RjWeapon]

@citizenlares

of course.

[eirefrance]

"Markets create cities and states destroy them?"

Do you anything about the history of cities?

[RjWeapon]

@eirefrance

The Marxists believe the conflict is rooted in the war between capital and labor, the racialists say its rooted in the exploitation of one race by another, feminists see it as a perpetual struggle over sex. Religion obviously plays a role as well. But it is the state and no other institution or social force that turns civilization into a war-zone. In other words, a judicial monopoly is the source of de-civilization.

Now back to work, commie.

[TheLetsbegin]

Truth is so simple so correct so beautiful so why don`t we see it? Watch it destroyed instead then? WTF is going on? Help or shrivel up!

[eyesonmedia]

nice!

[FlaiteOne]

i always knew the universe was a living being, something indian buddists knew long ago by analazing they're envionment!

[djdnauk1977]

love this video thanks! sharing it where i can!

[cowbot2]

OH MY GOD THIS IS SO GOOD

[ugotpimp]

thats kick ass

[2plus2make4]

This is outstanding. Well done

[swu880]

10 rulers disliked this video

[kev3d]

Its funny to me that it is often easier to convince a creationist that there is no "top-down" designer needed for the order of life than to convince a statist that a leaderless economy will run much more smoothly without master architects calling the shots.

[Goodatconnect4]

It's talk like this that really makes you think. That was very insightful. Thank you.

[petewalker274]

Short, to the point, and mega awesome !

[lordconnormcd]

Surely spontaneous order that has developed in fish and birds could be countered by the dominance of one individual in a pride of Lions or a pack of wolves? Traits that have developed in other species for self defence may not necessarily apply to Human beings who may, lacking this triat, need guidance from a leader such as with wolves or Lions in order to cooperate with a single objective in mind.

[realhiphop087]

@RjWeapon Humans have reasonings, animals have instincts. And something else i dont know how to explain. But we make technology and stuff. And not trying to look misanthropic, but humans are likeviruses. We have the most dominion threat that is directly affecting this planet. We destroy nature and leave behind waste. The question is can nature repair the damage we made?

Comparing the capacity of humans vs animals, the animals wont stand a chance.

EDIT: Nvm im getting off topic.

[scrappmutt2]

@realhiphop087 If you look at earth as an organism, I'd closer compare humans to pollen rather than a virus. We are the only specie capable of ensuring the rest of this planets species survival if this planet were to parish. We, I believe, will have the ability to "cross pollinate" other planets with not only our life, but other life from this planet. If the planet is a life form and it developed us, what else would we be but beneficial to it? What organism dev. its own viruses?

[realhiphop087]

@RjWeapon Thing is we dont want elites, freedom comes with no restraints whatsoever, otherwise it wont be called freedom, it would just be privledges. And a society that works on its own.

[realhiphop087]

@RjWeapon The thing is human works diffrently from animals, we have the ability to reason and certain other traits that distinguish us from other species significantly. We are not like them, which is why it wont work for us, we dont fit. Power is something we cant get enough and it will also be our own downfall.

In theory anarchy would be awesome, unlimited freedom is what every specie dreams of. but that the most it can is, a dream.

[realhiphop087]

Basically its a problem that has no solution.

[realhiphop087]

The result of Spontaneous Order? Governments... The States aka mafias/ organized criminal etc, like you said . Anarchy basicallys ends a control and then it restarts again. Its like trying to free a attracting magnet, you can pull it apart but then it will come together again, along with the same problems it once was before. Sorry but anarchy will basically just reset the cycle, not end it.

I came up with this theory when you put the word "order"along with the word spontaneus.

[HeartzWAY17]

Wonderfully Informative Video !!! Thank You for Sharing !!!

[Watchmen73]

Yeah don't kill the snails, throw some crushed egg shells around the lettuces to keep them away. Or dab some petroleum jelly around your pots or raised garden beds to prevent the snails from crossing into the lettuces. Excellent video!

[cha1235]

YES Finally some people who have the same views on anarchy as I do. Really, describing why I support anarchy to people is annoying and most people get lost in translation, but now I can just tell people to watch this video instead. haha thanks

[etzel33]

So how do I get a nice cushy kidney job? This liver job sucks.

[24Trippin7]

ive been doin some research into curent events all the call to riot vids seem to have destructive attitudes to them its tru things have to be done this guy has jus made more sense and inspired me 5x more than every other call 4 change please link this vid to every site imaginable and get the views up b4 tshtf >peace<

[Jerrodswmhr]

Well that about says it all!

Great post!!!

Bravo

[misskjdee78]

excellent description and thank you

[billybassman21]

I want what he's smoking.

[unlistedoo7]

OMFG!!!! This vid is AWESOME!!!! I love it, it's the 1st time I hear someone say something that is actually how my mind understands life....!!!!! You are dead on my friend GREAT CREATION LOVE IT !!!!!! Come read my profile and you'll understand what I mean.... ;-))))))

[TheIGPD]

Omg, during one of my meditating sessions I came to these same conclusions before even watching this video.

[shocks007]

You Rj why don't you post anymore?

[djdnauk1977]

great video :) anarchy & the non-aggression principal are the only way for true world peace & freedom.

[MarmaladeINFP]

@RjWeapon Modern civilization and modern economies were created. They didn't arise naturally and spontaneously. In creating a world contrary to human nature, humans have had to imperfectly adapt which creates unnatural and unhealthy social behaviors. It would be better to adapt society to human nature rather than the other way around, but that would be tricky considering so much has already been invested into building up civilization as it presently exists.

[ExquisiteDoom]

@MarmaladeINFP "spontaneous" was meant as the opposite of "ordered by the top" not as an event devoid of cause. Wether economies were created or not is irrelevant.

You seem to equate human nature with hunter-gatherer epoch human activities, i would suggest defining the word "nature" so that you may realize the subjective intensity of that choice of word.

And finally, we evolved technologically out those societies for individual reasons.

[MarmaladeINFP]

@ExquisiteDoom Yes, it is a basic fact that human nature mostly evolved before civilization when humans lived in tribes. There is no subjective quality to the science studying human nature. It makes no sense to say that "spontaneous" is the opposite of "ordered by the top" because both exist in human nature. Hierarchical relationships are found even in the simplest of societies such as tribes or even a band of monkeys. Hierarchy & spontaneity are inseparable in human nature & society.

[ExquisiteDoom]

From the way your previous message states, your definition of spontaneity excludes economies. As if economics could not be spontaneous. However i cannot find any colloquial definition of that word to support your argument.

Hierarchy may be a part of spontaneity but it doesn't necessarilly mean "ordered by the top through force". Hierarchy is simply social stratification for the purpose of division of labor.

Your definition of nature is probably subjective. So human nature probably is too.

[ExquisiteDoom]

@MarmaladeINFP I would also suggest that all we really know about human nature is that we are adaptative to our environment. If you still hold the position that tribalism is where human nature lies, how would you objectively prove it? I don't think anyone can hold such a position, granted that it is your position (I do not wish to strawman you.) Oh yes, and again, spontaneity/ hierarchy is probably a false dichotomy, that's what i was trying to convey on my first message.

[MarmaladeINFP]

@RjWeapon By 'nature', I mean human nature as in the psychology that evolved for the hundreds of thousands of years humans spent as hunter-gatherers. Human nature isn't adapted to modern civilization which includes modern economies.

[eg6roll]

Love the video but I agree we as humans need mentors of some kind or else we would be lost.

[djdnauk1977]

@eg6roll theres a huge difference between a mentor & a master... a mentor teaches voluntarily, a master uses force/theft & coercion to manipulate societies, that is the problem with governments, they all tax (theft) & use force against free choice (law) in order to "beat" society into a shape they prefer... using violence to solve problems never works which is why all authoritarian structures from democracies/republics & communism always collapse eventually or end in tyranny.

[controllingaim]

@eg6roll everybody are mentors mate

[MarmaladeINFP]

The problem is anarchy in nature doesn't work in modern society. Civilization is unnatural in that human nature evolved for hundreds of thousands of years in hunter-gatherer tribes. Civilization isn't a naturally arising order. Human society isn't a clump of cells or a school of fish. All higher primates & all human societies are based on some variation of hierarchy of relationships. Monkeys have alpha monkeys. Hunter-gatherer tribes had chiefs. Anarchy & hierarchy are both found in nature.

[germaniajim]

Yes, we are all creatures of habit, some more precious than others*(habits), some keep us alive via our e.s.p. which we must all "learn" to use in order for it to work at full potential, It is a challenge I have spent my life on sharpening, All I can tell you is this, everyone has to use his own insight to master what is inside of him. It cannot be taught, only self taught.

[sophiah88]

Thank you! This film IS a "great leap forward for mankind"

More please.

[JeroenLondon]

Amazing, gave me chills.

[ExquisiteDoom]

Beautiful video.... simply beautiful...

[adrastea99]

There are about two people in the comments who understand what this is.

No it isn't socialism. It isn't capitalism either.

The guy is trying to say that governments (centralized controls) can be replaced with ORDERED anarchy (swarm controls).

Swarm controls work in a way where each individual operates on a set of basic rules (the Golden Rule) or a very expanded "constitution", and that together they make a leaderless society.

Unfortunately, the problem is actually making the set of rules.

[CodyAllenmusic]

@adrastea99 wouldn't that be SOMEWHAT similar to socialism.. Extremely democratic socialism?

[adrastea99]

@CodyAllenmusic

No, because people obey a set of unchangeable rules, which doesn't happen in democracy or socialism

It's a very loose constitutional republic

[CodyAllenmusic]

@adrastea99 hmmm. Well does spontaneous order constitute a set of unchangeable rules? It seems to me like it could be dynamic.

[adrastea99]

@CodyAllenmusic

If it's dynamic then it needs to change according to an algorithm which can predict the future, which is impossible

Has to be a few simple, rigid rules (golden rule etc) upon which everything else is based on

[steve42lawson]

@adrastea99 You can make all the rules you want, but if no one follows them, then aren't the rules useless? There has to be agreement. Rules can be an avenue to agreement, but until everyone agrees to abide by those rules, they will not work. And, what if one or more break an agreement? There, likely, needs to be agreement on how such a breach is dealt with. In fact, there also might need to be agreement on how to reach a verdict (e.g. in the case of uncertainty as to the culprit.

[adrastea99]

@steve42lawson

Go back to my first post, I identify that very problem

[steve42lawson]

@adrastea99 But, then, it's the battles that would ensue that create the harmony (according to the video), right?

[MikhailLifirenko]

3rd video, and i have to subscribe, Check out the equal money system.

[Karmathejedi1701]

great video, "Saying that humans cannot live without government is like saying animals could not survive without farms" - Patrick Starr

[Okolaa]

Thank u, love this vid <3

[libertyplayground]

I could watch this shit all day. Hot damn.  This is good. More like this, please. More on spontaneous order, emergence, and these high-level concepts.

[blablasometin8]

combining biology with politics

interesting...

[trick32190]

I would greatly appreciate if you could, or someone around here.

Send me the "text" of everything said in the video?

Thanks!

[windbreaker14]

What song is this? Love the video

[ssssaaafff]

Excuse the language but this one of the most fucking awesome summations done on video I've ever seen. Please put a link above to your solutions which can be done to bring these cooperation's to happen.

[madmarine2010]

I guess this is kind of like a free market economy. where without competition, a monopoly would emerge and degrade the health of the economy as a whole. am i right when I say this?

[13baldjj]

Just out of curiosity, are you a creationist or evolutionist?

[shocks007]

@RjWeapon That is really interesting. Thanks for the reply.

[shocks007]

I am just curious. What about the process of the brain (centralized power)? Aren't they telling what each individual cell (the subjects) to do? Just a thought.

[CloudyCraze]

Thank you sir. If only it wasn't the same enlightened people being enlightened by this enlightenment. I can only hope those with only a 3% chance of ever realizing truth can stumble upon some of this truth.

[evolvedtripple6]

Very impressive my friend. This video impacted me very deeply indeed.

You've earned yourself a new subscriber.

[adriansrfr]

Your foundation is called neo-animism.

[motorolarules]

Outstanding

[HugNow]

The organisms in your body don't have conspiracies, they are just molecules without brains doing whatever their chemicals happen to be doing. Similarly, a glass of water with atoms in it is not singing songs and playing music when it is just sitting in a cup. I dislike metaphors that are anthropomorphic .

[Waranoa]

@HugNow molecules do the same things as conspiring people, but the other molecules don't feel like they are being conspired against. (if the food in your stomach could talk it would definately curse the digestive enzymes and acid in your digestive tract for conspiring against it). Human interaction follows set rules and is largely automatic, the free will cannot exist by definition; we are merely complex automatons which means that human culture emerges spontaneously, including governments.

[florencelovme]

Thats bullshit. You are implying that there is no need for a master/leader but there is. You only explain it the way you want and not the way it is.

[Soupdragoon]

Wow man I would love to sit down and have a conversation with you.

[CodyAllenmusic]

I swear to god I just stood up and clapped. This was one of the most informative great videos I have ever seen in my life. Thank you.

[CodyAllenmusic]

lol, even though I am an atheist,

[TheLetsbegin]

@CodyAllenmusic 2 right, miraculous, amazing 2! Namaste;~))

[mikeybrumbrum]

Anabsolutely MARVELLOUS video - what beautiful words, and so well put.

Mow, try telling this to a policeman !

[armypenguin]

Interesting

[pantadon]

Very good work, thank you.

I'm going to make a follow up on the schooling fish analogy at some point to show order through individuals and not through large government.  You've shown some real quality here dude.

[TheLetsbegin]

@pantadon Nice comment dude.

[BrutusCass]

Very good video

[adjohnson916]

Beautifully brilliant, liked and favorited.

[toodance]

★★★★★

[bandaidmafia]

Hey, nice videos. I started watching because intheendiwasright mirrored a recent one you made. I'm going to try to go back and watch a lot of the old ones you've made to get a sense of where you're coming from. So far, what I've seen is very well done. Keep it up.

PS What is the name of the music in the background, it's very nice.

[mahatma2222]

@bandaidmafia Ludovico Einaudi - Fly (the track in the video is slowed down)

[bandaidmafia]

@mahatma2222 Hey thanks much friend. It's always nice to get a response a while after I'd forgotten I'd even asked something. Kind of a cool aspect of the internet.

God bless.

[mahatma2222]

@bandaidmafia I just figured if you liked this song you may find others you will like...and hey: music makes life bearable. Enjoy yourself!

[TheAvidAnarchist]

This is so empowering. Power to you!

[TotalAnomy]

this is necessary... life, feeds on life, feeds on life, feeds on life

[gf1605]

Nice job! I like to see these videos evolving. One suggestion I have is to provide a bit more emphasis at the end on how complex order emerges in commerce. The human society aspect seemed a bit rushed.

[Zamolxx]

Thought and consciousness cannot be captured by purely mechanical principles. Substances, do not constitute a body as parts of the body, but as the first elements, or primitive unities, of the body. Bodies result from these constitutive unities. That is, bodies just are aggregates of substances which appear to us as extended corporeal phenomena, though they are well-founded phenomena; they have their foundation in real beings.

[Zamolxx]

Any element(body) that can be divisable in smaller constituents is not an "I" or an individual. I'm not for dualism or materialism. You're a reall smart guy with a great diction and voice. Don't neglect Vernadsky, Einstein, Plank, Leibniz, Percy Shelley, Nicholas of Cusa, Kepler, Dante, Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, Archimede, Solon, Plato.

[Waranoa]

Our genetics and the emergent properties of behavior, culture and tradition interact in huge, possibly infinite, possibilitieis; This allows for al kinds of societies, cultural systems, hierarchies to arise; some survive, others die. Look around you and see what survived; When looking at the future, strive for the obtainable; the west made too many errors in judgement; we do not need upheavel, or seperation, but co-operation, even if it's hierarchically organised.

[Waranoa]

Yes, subordinate law is a requesite for order in hierarchical systems. You see similar mechanisms for stabilization in neural networks and ecosystems. It's beyond the scope of a youtube post to go into this ;). In evolution, a species can only exist as long as it supports itself in it's environment. In society, an institution can only exist and continue if it supports itself. Same goes for humans. A system that is attracted to it's survival, survives, others die. Natural order :)

[thedabick]

mmm, good video,, congratulations,, 5/5

[Waranoa]

You beautifully point out that nature creates order out of itself; but there are many, many pseudo-hierarchies in nature everywhere, where one body or organism exerts involuntary control over the other.

Also, human control structures are like that. They seem superficial; but even tyrannical governments arise from the same, lawfull natural processes (human influence is naturally lawfull, not governed by free will or conscious choice, neither of which exist).

[Waranoa]

The big advantage of central control is specialisation of the ruling organ: institutions/organs are capable of faster, larger, more accurate organisation (try building the entire complex of transportation infrastructure in a nation WITHOUT one or several, central controlling institutions; good luck!).

Our governments are fallable, but they organize and stabilize at a massive scale. Name me one place on earth with substantial population that thrives without central leadership. ;)

[jbscott0830]

@Waranoa LMAO! Name me 1 place with a substantial population that thrives BECAUSE of "central" leadership, & not IN SPITE OF it (that is, if your definition of "central leadership" in this context is "the nation-state" aka "government"--which is, by definition, an institutional monopoly on use of violent coercion; this use of forced cooperation over voluntary cooperation actually retards, distorts, corrupts, and imbalances the natural, spontaneous, emergent orders created by human interactions.

[Waranoa]

@jbscott0830 I can't think of any place that doesn't really. I don't know where you live, but I would be very surprised to see the quality of life increase after the revolutionary abolishment of government. It wouldn't work here; people would stop receiving their paycheck, insurance and wellfare you see (schools and hospitals would stop existing; they are all centrally organized). Traffic is centrally organized, counties, households; there's no organization that is purely locally organized.

[jbscott0830]

@Waranoa You've proven my point--don't u see?! Spontaneous, emergent orders are NEVER so dangerously dependent upon a single entity; your point that states rob some to transfer to others via social & corporate welfare exemplifies creation of moral hazards, distorted incentives, malinvestments, & acknowledges that the state erects a house of cards. You've missed the point: not that "there is no central planning"--but that "emerging order is always better than STATE central planning."

[Waranoa]

@jbscott0830 you are twisting my words. I didn't say states rob people. You and a million others might feel they do but that does not make it truth. My point is that state IS emerging order. The empirical evidence for this is that every tribe, ancient city state, feudal community, nation, megalopole, is ruled centrally despite immense cultural differences and geographical distances between them.

[jbscott0830]

While the state itself might "emerge" in some sense of that word (as in the analogy: "IF there is a creator--he emerged, & then we emerged from him", this says nil about how effectively he could centrally plan our lives; nor does it mean we'd embrace & think rightful his grand scheme.Of course, "revolutionary abolishment" of the state would have immediate impacts--as u illustrated, the state creates many dependents. This proves yet again that emergent order is better than state planning.

[Waranoa]

@jbscott0830 The creation of states by dependents and dependents by states is a circular proces; the origin of either the state or it's dependents lies with neither of the two parties (it is emergent). Again, the state order and dependent status are both emergent. State planning itself IS emergent. It IS the emergent order you talk about yourself. There might be other forms of emergent order though, but can you name one? I can't!

[jbscott0830]

BTW, can u pls just try to answer my original question? I'd love to see what you come up with. Please be specific, & pls explain how your answer has been (or could be) substantiated w/empirical evidence. Finally, pls re-read the question to avoid confusion. I mention this because you've mentioned things like "households"--but I'm quite sure that my home is not centrally planned by the state (I do not consider myself to be a "state planner"), although they sure do try to plan my household for me.

[Waranoa]

@jbscott0830 Your home is centrally planned by you and your partner. If your home is planned by the state you live in a state run by fucked up people you voted for yourself. Central government emerges from the population. The responsibility for the state lies never with itself but with the population who produces it. This is your democratic duty which you can't escape; states will innevetably form and since you are currently in one, the ethical choice is to partake.

[MOONDOGGIESWTF]

@Waranoa The state may have emerged, but we or at least I did not produce it by virtue and happenstance of merely being born on land claimed by the state.

Yours is a disturbing argument I see very often; "we are the state" so if my home was centrally planned then I *necessarily* must have voted them into my home? Hitler was also "voted" into power does this justify his actions?

Regardless, I'd say the state emerges out of a population in the same way that cancer emerges within a human body.

[Waranoa]

@MOONDOGGIESWTF You are right that you did not produce the state, but you do have the responsibility for it's futurue directions. Justification for the state of things is not what is being discussed here. Hitlers deeds might not be justifiable but they are explainable and the point is that they are the responsibility of the German people as well as of himself.

Cancer serves no purpose, the state does. Removing cancer cures the body, instant removal of the state leads to chaos.

[Waranoa]

@MOONDOGGIESWTF And about your family; I do assume that your partner entered your family with your consent, and that the way you raise your children is decided upon by you and your partner. So there definitely is a 'voting' process going on in how you structure your family. However, the exact architecture of governance in your family is not the matter here; what's important is that your family cannot do without a measure of central governance, and that there is shared responsibility for actions.

[Waranoa]

@MOONDOGGIESWTF Finally I repeat me last statement; states inevitably form, thus the only form is to take responsibility in the system. You can change it, evolutionize it or maybe even revolutionize it if that is what is necessary; however, resistance leads to a strenghthening of the force you are opposing, so you need to be sure that you can build up enough momentum to start a revolution, and that you are willing to justify the sacrifices and to stabilize it afterwards.

[MOONDOGGIESWTF]

@Waranoa Adult relationships are voluntary, none of my family or friends have an externally imposed responsibility towards me. Family is not centrally planned in at all the same way a government governs. ex. me and my friends are out to eat, and one of them isn't hungry so he doesn't order anything and also doesn't pay. Even if we had explicitly voted on going out to eat to be analogous with a state we'd have to force him (the minority) to eat with us while taking his money without his consent.

[MOONDOGGIESWTF]

@Waranoa Also our default position isn't being friends, we weren't born into some bullshit nebulous social contract that can be held above our heads where it's our "responsibility" to be together. I'll answer your assertion about the state inevitably forming with another assertion, no they don't, look how easy that was!

[MOONDOGGIESWTF]

@Waranoa Up until a certain point in history slavery was the norm and had inevitably formed too, my only responsibility in relation to only my internal values in response to slavery would have been to not own slaves and in the same way I don't take part in a political system that imposes its will by force on any given minority.

[Waranoa]

@MOONDOGGIESWTF If slavery was the norm in a democratic society where you could vote for or against it, your responsibility would be to vote either against it if the practice was in conflict with your values. Not partaking is agreeing.

[kulza23]

Social order is founded on voluntary cooperation, not coercion.

Down with Hobbes! Up with Boétie!

[Nielsio]

Blogged.

[ijust1]

So friggin beautiful..

[PoliticalPhilomather]

Your work is always so poignant and well assembled. one more great video in a line of brilliance. im jealous

[Mastikator]

Reupload? Did something happen to the old one?

[TrueEmergence]

"Wasn't happy with my original version."

[asdfgasdfasdful]

awesome

[CyberpunkPhyschopath]

Good work. 5/5

[JacobSpinney]

Great video