Bogner Alchemist Crunching with Mesa 2x12

[niahaa]

Wow, the boost isn't even on ?

[UnoOwl]

Dude that is a sweeet crunch tone! I just ordered a Mesa 2x12 cab, so pumped.

[Vultures13]

hey fude, awesome playing! Can you tell me wich settings you used? it would be really helpful!

thanks!

//Marcus

[MrSlainAngel]

what exact model of guitar is that?

[educabeiras]

Please give us your amazing settings, they´re pretty good!!!!

[diesect33]

@skaterdan31 the Uberschall IS a German MADE amp but, it's all brittish in tone.

[diesect33]

Yeah this thing can get a MONSTER metal tone when dialed in. I dropped my jaw when i played it. The cleans are quite lush too. YOU HAVE to dial it in though. Don't just dime the gain and say it sucks....most amps do when that's done.

[wildbill85]

@diesect33 Actually the Uberschall is made in America by Reinhold Bogner (though most likely his employees, nice guys, I have an EL34 Shiva myself) who is originally from Germany. All his custom shop amps (Shiva, Duende, Ecstacy, Metropolis, etc) are made in the USA. Just letting ya know. I really don't think the Uber has a British tone structure, it's DEFINITELY in the German/Euro metal amp sounding tone range, ala Framus, Engl, diezel, hughes and kettner, etc. Though each is still unique.

[diesect33]

@wildbill85 I'll take your word on the place of construction but, i have a tube amps "history" book that states the uberschall's a hi end Marshall circuit. That's not a bad thing, the Uberschall's a monster and because it's better quality with his own "touch" it's still unique. when you go back far enough they all came from Brit/USA or Marshall/Fender and Marshall started (JTM45) as a corner cut (for profit) bassman which leo took from an RCA radio. But, it's VERY british in character.

[wildbill85]

@diesect33 Yeah totally, most amps out there are mods of classic designs. Matchless and some Dr.Z's make alot of money off of Vox inspired amps, Soldano's are pretty much like hotrodded marshalls, etc. Bogner's amps, while based off marshalls, still have something unique about them. The Shiva i have has a throaty distortion that won me over from the first power chord i played through it, and the clean was ridiculous. Dr.Z and Dumble are said to be the most original designers.

[diesect33]

@wildbill85 .but with German attitude. Personaly i prefer German then Brit THEN USA tone stylings. My fav amps right now are,ENGL Invader EL34 ver,H&K Triamp MKII,Framus Cobra V1 or 2,Soldano SLO100, Soldano Avenger,Marshall DSL100/50,Mesa rect-o-verb 50 and Peavey 5150 with a tie on a E34L (including screen res mod) XXX on "loose" but, i would wager the Uberschall being a brit-German hybrid tone machine would snag me QUICK if i owned one.

[wildbill85]

@diesect33 I do like most of the Engl's I've tried, my fave being the special edition, the H&K Triamp is awesome too. I wasn't a massive fan of the Soldano's I tried though and I wasn't that keen on the DSL, I used the DSL 50 for about a month and for a big gig I had years ago, but really didn't like it. It actually put me off marshalls till I heard my friends JMP and tried an ORIGINAL Bluesbreaker combo with the pre-rola greens. One of my friends just got a krankenstein jr. It's quite good.

[TheRealMikeD61]

Part of it sounds alot like colony of birchmen by mastodon. but this is sweet i like the guitar

[hiian123]

bogner alchemist 112 combo or the mesa rectoverb 112 combo? i play rock agressive blues up to classic metal

[Mattus1111]

Sick sound, but this is like the only cover which shows a decent metal tone. What speakers are the Mesas'?

[Gyro911]

Its a good amp but found the tone to be one dimensional and flat for a high priced tube amp. I expected more for Bogner but i would say its on par with a Peavey JSX for tone

[torturesofthedamned]

nice and crunchy dude.

[PissingInAction]

Can you give me you settings, please? Just got mine and qould love to experiment with different tones...

[EndangeredSoup]

so can you actually hook the combo up to extra cabs, like a marshall 4x12 for example?

[evilotto77cheese]

It's always possible, you just need a bit of technical know-how

[TMSierra]

well i know what im getting for my birthday! what are the settings?

[rayMacy]

Are the combo's speakers muted when plugged into a standalone cabinet?

[RNRDOLL]

yep, you're essentially replacing the cable that connects the inherent speakers to the new cab

[EndangeredSoup]

Woah, I didn't know that you could plug the combo into a cabinet!

[Arkansuckz]

How is it going to croak of it's ohm rating is the same?

[Donedeal11]

dude! youre usin a 120 watt cab with a 40 watt amp? your amp is gonna croak pretty quick.

[Donedeal11]

i was pretty sure having a cab with too much wattage could damage tube amps pretty bad. especially if it was a big difference. if not let me know lol

[megatoned]

Totally false, having a high wattage cabinet powered by a low wattage head is totally fine so long as their impedances match.

[jonesfromindia]

wrong. thats the #1 way on how you blow speakers. under powering them is worse than over powering them. causes the speaker to "need" more power, causes the speaker to have more excursion with less power, heats up the voice coils, and by by speaker.

im not saying this will happen as soon as anyone plugs it in, but thats what goes down in china town.

[megatoned]

First, a speakers power rating and an amps power output are not to be confused with each other. They are guidelines, not requirements for the speaker.

Second, a 5 watt class A amp is plenty powerful to sufficiently drive a 4x12 cabinet when pushed. The guy above is feeding 40 watts into a 2x12, he will certainly have no problem.

My real world experience is, no problem what-so-ever.

[megatoned]

Also, realize the different in our posts. The topic was low wattage amp in to high watt handling cab, yours was about underpowered speakers. Very different subjects.

[NachoNinja3]

Well no, because most guitar amp heads are around 100 watts, but most 412 cabs are around 400 watts. And they run great!

[Necrolemus]

randall v2 runs at 400 watts. suks to buy 1 4x12 to match

[NachoNinja3]

Haha, thats insane!

[Necrolemus]

matching cab has 4 100 watt speakers, cost like 1200 but looks sexy

[MJOLNIRSxWRATH]

Vader Cabs has there 4x12 at 480 watts.

$730

[mike31jmb]

I would hate to see any situation that would require me to play with 400 watts! Thats insane like NachoNinja3 said. That's what PA's are for. I hope it sounds great while it's EXTREMELY Loud...lol.

[BCTamps]

Speakers don't have a "minimum" power rating. You will not encounter this problem at any point in the guitar realm.

[Necrolemus]

find a cab with 4 100 watt speakers

[dyingforastrat]

I have that amp,and I also love how the mesa cab compliments your sound. I thought it sounded great. I have had mesa's and I like the bogner's sound better, more organic to me,just my 2 cents. Nice demo dude

[maliboo51516]

Wow, i didn't know this amp can produce so many gain. Good job Bogner! =)

[jonesfromindia]

uberschall???

[robotfamilygchicken]

just sounds like a mesa...bogner head adds nothing significant to tone

[allsport1313]

sounds nothing like my mesa dual rec on any channel, im actually considering this bogner for a change :)

[B2Rockin]

compared to a mesa dual rectifier??

[damianfr]

is that running straight in? with no fx?

[J2thaPizzie]

yes all amp

[jcallseven]

i wonder wat it would be like head and a mode 4 cab

[SwampAshHSS]

"save the flames for virtuoso wanna bees", electric guitar has the weirdest player mindset....it's like saying that someone who wants to learn Handel's Passacaglia on classical guitar, or paganini on violin is a "wanna-bee"...but actually on those instruments, it's just a GOAL. troubling...

[zdoering]

Wow, that really opened up the amps tone. I have played that amp before and it sounded better in the vid than I have heard it, I think the amps might be good, but need a nice cab, good to know that combo definitely sounded more like the traditional bogner sound. Put a boost on it and play some Alice in Chains you could probably nail the man in the box tone with that.

[Fretbed]

Nice rig.. I've got an Orange Rocker 30 with a Mesa Rec. 2x12 under it... it's not all that metal.. but with a MAXON OD It can be :) oh yeah.. people judging this amp from a youtube vid, Don't. Never use a video to choose an amp, you have to play it.

[SwampAshHSS]

want this amp.....i got a randall rm100 and i regret it, way to big for my hobby / jamming needs, and i bet the bogner is more responsive.

[skaterdan31]

also though, can anyone give advice as to how this compares to the other bogner amps? obvs a massive price difference but still wondering.

[J2thaPizzie]

Skaterdan31, I would say that this amp most resembles the Shiva from the bogner line. however, it has it's own sound all it's own.

[diesect33]

@skaterdan31 think more of comparing to Mesa's rectos. This amp really doesn't sound like a Bogner...in a good way to me as far as the Uberschall goes...i'm not a fan of that one anyway...it's a Marshall with better quality components which isn't bad, just not my thing. I like American and German gain structures personaly.

[skaterdan31]

not saying its a bad amp its great but seems to loose a bit too much clarity under that amount of distortion and bit too fuzzy sounding, but as its thte only amp bogner do unless u get custom, i am still to actually try it out :)

[RNRDOLL]

the fuzziness is from the fact that the wattage of the speakers are closely rated to the wattage of the amp itself...so it has a speaker breakup too..which for many, is desirable but in person the alchemist impressed me even at high gain settings--it remained very articulate and definitely has that boutique sound and response for half the price of the real thing. Most boutique amps...regardless of how great they sound, arent at all worth 3 g's. That tone can be obtained within 1500 bucks easy.

[skaterdan31]

cool thanks for the advice, going to try it out with a friend this weekend.

[peter94e]

Eh, considering the fact that you can still hear pick noise in this video, I really doubt that the speakers are getting anywhere near the full wattage potential of the amp. (meaning, he doesn't have it dimed). So... the fuzziness is likely from somewhere else.

[J2thaPizzie]

Fuzz is prob from the poor recording. this was just recorded by a dv cam mic.

[peter94e]

That would certainly do it.... I need a new mic....

[skaterdan31]

wanted a bogner and this seems nice, but seems to die a bit under too much pressure

[J2thaPizzie]

die, what do you mean exactally?

[dvaadelo]

I'm going to get the head version of this. Would it sound better with a 1960a cabinet?

[J2thaPizzie]

No, I would stay away from the 1960 a or b series Marshalls, I don't think the 75's would sound as good as vintage 30's. I've owned a 1960A and I like Mesa cabs way better in sound and build.

[jcallseven]

marshall mode 4 cabs or orange straight cabs are tight sounding

also it wouldnt sound better it would sound different

[Krysonomous]

What speakers are in the bogner? Are you using it at the same time?

[kissrocks45]

I bet adding that 212 improved over all sound huh? you should put the bogner on the floor for more low end sound. Nice jamming.

[J2thaPizzie]

adding the 2x12 is the best way imho to add low-end and a tighter /darker sound. together the combo's open back and the Mesa's closed kind of give it a 3D effect, almost bi-amp quality.

[mcconnachiea]

You would get a similar sound out of the 1x12 because they both run on vintage 30s

[TravuhsWree]

Virtuoso - wanna be's?

By the simplicity of the riffs you played I would assume you can't achieve the status of virtuoso - wanna be.

[J2thaPizzie]

Yeah, that's right smartass!

[ScottRiley]

Sweet lord I want this amp so bad.

Nice demo man, tasty playing and the tone's awesome!

[pistolstump]

I actually just bought the Alchemist 112 and found it lacking in the bottom end. I just played a Bogner with the Mesa cab 2X12 like yours and it sounded awesome. I'm going tomorrow to pick it up! Nice sound and gear.

[Fahrenheit501]

Wow that sounds reaally cool.

But I'm not sure we have the same definition for the word "crunch" :)

[J2thaPizzie]

yeah, I just put "crunch" to get more hits...ha

[psc]

what kind of esp is that

[kdog927]

this is just amp distortion??

[J2thaPizzie]

Yes. all amp, no fx.

[YTsyndrome]

Pretty sweet gear you got there, man. Say, maybe if you ever decide to switch to playing the pan flute... Can I have it?

Just putting it out there... Y' know, in case it happens...

[nakedlungfish]

How do you like the effects? I'm kinda looking into this.

[J2thaPizzie]

The FX? they sound pretty damn good. Pretty natural and not too digital. I believe they are tube buffered, so it won't kill your tone.

[kissrocks45]

Try some nos tubes, I put a GE Jan in the V1 and the distortions better

[Slipknotfanatic89]

Damn, love the chord definition! Sounds like the amp really brings out the subtlties. Cool vid!

[J2thaPizzie]

Yes.

[steel337]

pretty nice metal tone. are you using the combo's speakers in conjunction with the mesa cab?