I like your natural hair more than this wig (not that the wig doesn't suit you - because it does- but I just really like your natural hair) just saying.
@extremetwihard1 There is some hardcore evidence that he is, indeed abusive. I'm not a Jacob fan or anything, but Edward does abuse Bella in many ways. I think Melina made a video on it; go watch it, it's very insightful.
@kipkayify i guess its just MY opinion that he is NOT abusive...but still. you are free to have YOUR opinion...i was just sayin...I think JAKE is the jerk.
@extremetwihard1 Jake can be a jerk, I never denied that. And this isn't a matter of a opinion, Edward IS abusive towards Bella. I swear, I bet if Edward hit her Twilight fans would defend it. He doesn't respect any of her decisions, he controls her every move, he insults her, yells at her, and doesn't let Bella show any affection and makes her feel bad when she does. On top of it all, he's conceited and pompous. I'm sorry if this annoys you, but this isn't opinion, this is Edward's character.
I'm not a Twilight Fan(actually I don't particularly like the story myself), but I do have one question:When would you ever know sum1 made a mistake vs. sum1 who abused you that you would forgive them - no guy is perfect, you'll always have fights with any guy and they can say hurtful things, so when is it ok to forgive? Since Bella & Harlequin always forgive their abusive bf's everytime. If you can do a rant on when its ok to forgive sum1, that be great. :)
There's also the fact that Bella does indeed complain, just not all the time. She gets angry when he does loads of things, the thing is she doesn't *stay* angry because she just, supposedly, loves him too much, or she gets distracted by his "smoldering eyes" or some such nonsense. So she does have moments where she understands she's being mistreated, but Meyer always distracts the reader with something else and never resolves the problem.
Your minute and 45 second vid of why you removed your reasons for hating Twilight vid was an implication of that, especially since you were crying in that vid which irritated me because of how humans are too idiotic to respect the opinions of others regarding what they like. But you don't give off the signs of an emotionally abused person. Y'see I work with stereotypes not the rarities who can take $%#@ and move on growing stronger from it. though my parents are the only exceptions.
First off, you made some great points in this video.
Even when women of low self esteem wont speak up because they are afraid they will lose the guy over it, they still feel mistreated. They just hush up because they cant afford to lose the guy who has essentially became their world. With the exception of Edward keeping Bella from seeing Jacob, Bella never seems hurt over it. The one instance she feels wronged, he apologizes and than supports her and Jacobs relationship.
Brilliant! What a better way to bring this subject matter up. Now, I wonder how many people actually believe that it's not abuse if the victim goes along with it? If I murdered someone, and they didn't have any qualms about it, that would still be a crime, right?
i'm not an edward fan. but i'm also not a jacob fan. i stopped liking jacob when he kissed bella by force. and what made it worse was that charlie was proud of him for doing it. i would never want a guy to kiss me by force. and if it did happen, i would hope that my dad would punch the guy, not congratulate him. the love triangle in eclipse made me dislike edward AND jacob.
@doolfan008, thank you! I'm tired of all the Jacob fans who say that Edward is abusive but make excuses for Jacob's abusive actions. It's double standards at worst.
@TheFirehearts132 I actually believe Steph edited the character to Jake since he seems different than in New Moon. (I voted that in the end of New Moon Jake SHOULD HAVE mauled Bella but he hadn't) She has this way of destroying her own characters. Hell LAUREN'S hair is cut and Bella doesn't take her seriously. Metaphoric Castration. That's what she does. She destroys what she creates. It should have just ended with LeahxJake and EdwardxBella instead of the fucking fight. (lack of)
@doolfan008 I just think Jacob wasn't really Jacob. I think Meyer wanted Edward to seem like the better guy to choose so she edited Jacob. (She did the same in Midnight Sun to Jessica. That also happens with Leah and Rosalie in Breaking Dawn and the illustrative guide. Not that the guide doesn't prove the characters aren't abused.)
He was going to step out into the sunlight and show off his sparklyness in a big crowd of people to freak the Volturi out and have them rip him apart (the only way to kill a vampire in Twilight)
I think her dad realizes how bad edward is for her, but gives up... well, I'm sure that's now how Stephenie meant it. But yeah. Like in new moon when he freaks out at her for moping.
Oh, yeah, the subtle put-downs; that's a very, very effective form of abuse. And there are plenty of people who allow themselves to be abused, wether because they think it's normal, that they deserve it, or a variety of other rationalizations that are born from an already damaged inner reality. People who are trained to tolerate emotional abuse from family members as vulnerable young children would be very likely to tolerate the same thing in a "lover" as an adult
I think BellaxEdward, as far as abuse is concerned, suffers from a simple flaw that was put in intentionally by Stephanie Meyer (I fail at spelling, so if that's not correct I'm sorry). The problem is that Bella reacts to information she doesn't actually have. Meyer knows that Edward is doing what he's doing for 'Bella's good', but she ignores the fact that Bella wouldn't know that. Bella is unrealistic for this very reason; a mistake that most writers would have caught.
I think she could have caught it, or thought of it, but also could have made bella that way anyway, just so show, "oh look how accepting she is. She already knows that this is for her best interest. They go so well together." But yes, great point.
Definition: 1 Abuse: 1: A corrupt practice 2. Misuse 3. Coarse and Insulting Speech 4: Mistreatment 2 Abuse: 1. To put into wrong use/Misuse 2. To use excessively 3. Mistreatment 4. To attack in words/Revile Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary
The spark plug pulling scene just completely pissed me off. I had to walk away from the book. The way one minute she is livid I was thrilled and then she goes back and opens up the window! wtf Bella! After that it was just all down hill. Went from Twihard to Twihater
I think sometimes in an emotionally/psychologically/possessive relasionship one partner can be wittled down into giving in, becoming willing and weak.
The only problem is... Bella was all ready dull, weak willed, dependent and accsepting.
Sometimes I wonder: have any of these Twilight fanatics ever taken a health class, because I swear to god: in all of my health classes from middle school to high school, they taught us about physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, and the all important, "you need to sperm to make a baby!"
I think he is, but I feel like it's a completely different situation than anything anyone aside from them really has ever been in. You know? It's hard to gauge what abuse would be in that situation even though his actions are controlling and abusive to us. But who knows it's new territory.
Yes, the Joker's terribly abusive, he's also fun to abuse. Harley can be fun but the hopeless devotion is something I could never quite 'click' with myself, just because her ability to overlook almost everything he did robbed me of many potential fight scenes.
Still a semi-fan of the couple though.
You should compare Edward and Bella to Homer and Marge Simpson next. XD
These girls need to watch Oprah. She's always educating the public what abuse really is and she has experts helping her out. Obviously, they don't watch her show.
It'sa problem that comes up with a lot of issues- people not recognizing more subtle forms of racism/sexism/homophobia because they assume that because someone isn't blatantly racist/sexist/homophobia, that automatically means that they aren't. It's often used as a rationalisation of someone's own internalised issues.
It really pisses me off when I see someone get emotionally abused by their significant other and these teenagers (twilight fangirls) are just like "Well they are just having a REGULAR argument, and besides he didn't actually hit her in the face or anything so it isn't abuse"
but i guess your right when you said you can't detect emotional abuse unless you've been there before. I think everyone needs to go through it at least once so they can see it.
exactly. bella is so weak, ignorant, and needy that she wouldn't complain if he smacked her upside the head with a steel pipe, as long as he explained that it was for her good. what the hell?
physical abuse is only one part of the wide spectrum of mistreatment. even just this haughty "i know what's best for you" attitude would be enough to make me run.
i love Marylin Manson, and that's one of my favorite songs by him, but it doesn't really fit you...maybe it's because i'm too used to the old theme.
anyway, i agree with everything. saying that it's not abuse because she accepts it is like saying that it's not murder if the person is willing to let you kill them.
Ooh, new theme. I like both, though I got used to the old one and I subconsciously associate it with your blogs. lol. Anyway, I love that you had the question be Can You Abuse the Willing instead of Is Edward Abusive. The former really is the better question, and my answer for it is yes. You don't even have to be aware of the abuse happening for it to happen. I like how you compared and contrasted Joker&Harley with this. I support that couple too, (but I love JokerRachel as well)*5 stars*
I like this theme song, too. But I got used to the old one. But what about the arguement that emotional abuse is your fault because you're allowing the person to affect you? I'm not saying it's right. Thank you so much for this video. I am sick of people always thinking that abuse only has to be physical.
Obviously, you have no idea how hard it is to shoot down the one you love. It is way harder than you think. Believe me, I know.
huskypuppylove 5 months ago
I like your natural hair more than this wig (not that the wig doesn't suit you - because it does- but I just really like your natural hair) just saying.
MaskofTheMoon 8 months ago
JACOB is the a hole...edward is awome he could NEVER be abusive
extremetwihard1 10 months ago
@extremetwihard1 There is some hardcore evidence that he is, indeed abusive. I'm not a Jacob fan or anything, but Edward does abuse Bella in many ways. I think Melina made a video on it; go watch it, it's very insightful.
kipkayify 10 months ago
@kipkayify i guess its just MY opinion that he is NOT abusive...but still. you are free to have YOUR opinion...i was just sayin
extremetwihard1 9 months ago
@kipkayify i guess its just MY opinion that he is NOT abusive...but still. you are free to have YOUR opinion...i was just sayin...I think JAKE is the jerk.
extremetwihard1 9 months ago
@extremetwihard1 Jake can be a jerk, I never denied that. And this isn't a matter of a opinion, Edward IS abusive towards Bella. I swear, I bet if Edward hit her Twilight fans would defend it. He doesn't respect any of her decisions, he controls her every move, he insults her, yells at her, and doesn't let Bella show any affection and makes her feel bad when she does. On top of it all, he's conceited and pompous. I'm sorry if this annoys you, but this isn't opinion, this is Edward's character.
kipkayify 7 months ago
your videos are some of the most insightful things i have ever seen
DragonKeyJones 1 year ago 2
I'm not a Twilight Fan(actually I don't particularly like the story myself), but I do have one question:When would you ever know sum1 made a mistake vs. sum1 who abused you that you would forgive them - no guy is perfect, you'll always have fights with any guy and they can say hurtful things, so when is it ok to forgive? Since Bella & Harlequin always forgive their abusive bf's everytime. If you can do a rant on when its ok to forgive sum1, that be great. :)
cdutta1990 1 year ago
There's also the fact that Bella does indeed complain, just not all the time. She gets angry when he does loads of things, the thing is she doesn't *stay* angry because she just, supposedly, loves him too much, or she gets distracted by his "smoldering eyes" or some such nonsense. So she does have moments where she understands she's being mistreated, but Meyer always distracts the reader with something else and never resolves the problem.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago 26
@fromthisgirl This was apparent in Eclipse so much! I'm like Bella why are you with these guys
MelinaPendulum 1 year ago
Bull$%#$ you just have be very observant to tell whether or not a person's been abused emotionally.
DemonicRemption 2 years ago
Before this video did you know I had been abused emotionally
MelinaPendulum 2 years ago
Your minute and 45 second vid of why you removed your reasons for hating Twilight vid was an implication of that, especially since you were crying in that vid which irritated me because of how humans are too idiotic to respect the opinions of others regarding what they like. But you don't give off the signs of an emotionally abused person. Y'see I work with stereotypes not the rarities who can take $%#@ and move on growing stronger from it. though my parents are the only exceptions.
DemonicRemption 2 years ago
First off, you made some great points in this video.
Even when women of low self esteem wont speak up because they are afraid they will lose the guy over it, they still feel mistreated. They just hush up because they cant afford to lose the guy who has essentially became their world. With the exception of Edward keeping Bella from seeing Jacob, Bella never seems hurt over it. The one instance she feels wronged, he apologizes and than supports her and Jacobs relationship.
Culture261 2 years ago
@MelinaPendulum poor u melina! :( i'm a big fan of ur videos! :D
chipmunkspy5 8 months ago
Brilliant! What a better way to bring this subject matter up. Now, I wonder how many people actually believe that it's not abuse if the victim goes along with it? If I murdered someone, and they didn't have any qualms about it, that would still be a crime, right?
shounenbat510 2 years ago 5
Sounds more like assisted suicide.
Razputin53 2 years ago
I seriously wish you had written Twilight. It would have been such an interesting book about a very, very dark love!
Lythya 2 years ago 27
I like how you pointed out that abuse doesn't always have to be physical; very good point
EmpressJudge13 2 years ago 6
i'm not an edward fan. but i'm also not a jacob fan. i stopped liking jacob when he kissed bella by force. and what made it worse was that charlie was proud of him for doing it. i would never want a guy to kiss me by force. and if it did happen, i would hope that my dad would punch the guy, not congratulate him. the love triangle in eclipse made me dislike edward AND jacob.
doolfan008 2 years ago 27
@doolfan008, thank you! I'm tired of all the Jacob fans who say that Edward is abusive but make excuses for Jacob's abusive actions. It's double standards at worst.
TheFirehearts132 5 months ago
@TheFirehearts132 I actually believe Steph edited the character to Jake since he seems different than in New Moon. (I voted that in the end of New Moon Jake SHOULD HAVE mauled Bella but he hadn't) She has this way of destroying her own characters. Hell LAUREN'S hair is cut and Bella doesn't take her seriously. Metaphoric Castration. That's what she does. She destroys what she creates. It should have just ended with LeahxJake and EdwardxBella instead of the fucking fight. (lack of)
123naruhina 3 weeks ago
@doolfan008 I just think Jacob wasn't really Jacob. I think Meyer wanted Edward to seem like the better guy to choose so she edited Jacob. (She did the same in Midnight Sun to Jessica. That also happens with Leah and Rosalie in Breaking Dawn and the illustrative guide. Not that the guide doesn't prove the characters aren't abused.)
123naruhina 3 weeks ago
I just relized this but how can Edward kill himself if he is already dead o_O.....? I haven't read it XD
XxXEishieXxX 2 years ago
He was going to step out into the sunlight and show off his sparklyness in a big crowd of people to freak the Volturi out and have them rip him apart (the only way to kill a vampire in Twilight)
iYawning 2 years ago
I think her dad realizes how bad edward is for her, but gives up... well, I'm sure that's now how Stephenie meant it. But yeah. Like in new moon when he freaks out at her for moping.
Alimaria 2 years ago
Oh, yeah, the subtle put-downs; that's a very, very effective form of abuse. And there are plenty of people who allow themselves to be abused, wether because they think it's normal, that they deserve it, or a variety of other rationalizations that are born from an already damaged inner reality. People who are trained to tolerate emotional abuse from family members as vulnerable young children would be very likely to tolerate the same thing in a "lover" as an adult
LunabelleLily 2 years ago
I think BellaxEdward, as far as abuse is concerned, suffers from a simple flaw that was put in intentionally by Stephanie Meyer (I fail at spelling, so if that's not correct I'm sorry). The problem is that Bella reacts to information she doesn't actually have. Meyer knows that Edward is doing what he's doing for 'Bella's good', but she ignores the fact that Bella wouldn't know that. Bella is unrealistic for this very reason; a mistake that most writers would have caught.
Otamamon 2 years ago 5
I think she could have caught it, or thought of it, but also could have made bella that way anyway, just so show, "oh look how accepting she is. She already knows that this is for her best interest. They go so well together." But yes, great point.
Alimaria 2 years ago
Phoenixangelgal 2 years ago
The spark plug pulling scene just completely pissed me off. I had to walk away from the book. The way one minute she is livid I was thrilled and then she goes back and opens up the window! wtf Bella! After that it was just all down hill. Went from Twihard to Twihater
SoILoveCheese2011 2 years ago
I think sometimes in an emotionally/psychologically/possessive relasionship one partner can be wittled down into giving in, becoming willing and weak.
The only problem is... Bella was all ready dull, weak willed, dependent and accsepting.
PurpleBadger 2 years ago
again a great point but also a v good wig hehe lookout for my videos soon I am just having some webcam problems
SteveeAlbino 2 years ago
Sometimes I wonder: have any of these Twilight fanatics ever taken a health class, because I swear to god: in all of my health classes from middle school to high school, they taught us about physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, and the all important, "you need to sperm to make a baby!"
thespiritmage 2 years ago 5
I think he is, but I feel like it's a completely different situation than anything anyone aside from them really has ever been in. You know? It's hard to gauge what abuse would be in that situation even though his actions are controlling and abusive to us. But who knows it's new territory.
SayNope2Dopex14 2 years ago
"What the hell is abusive?"
Girl/boy, good luck on a healthy life.
areyoukidding 2 years ago 2
great point..!
jusk8lp 2 years ago
Very interesting points, Melina. Great job. :)
RinLockhart 2 years ago
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I want to put my fist right into your ugly nigger face
SatanHasaBigweewee 2 years ago
Uh oh! Found another one!
Aren't these idiots just adorable?
RinLockhart 2 years ago
please do ^^
MelinaPendulum 2 years ago
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EmpressJudge13 2 years ago
@SatanHasaBigweewee dick
Ari33BomB12 9 months ago
Can you abuse the willing?
It's called BDSM ^_^
I LOVE YOUR SHIRT! *tackles Joker*
Yes, the Joker's terribly abusive, he's also fun to abuse. Harley can be fun but the hopeless devotion is something I could never quite 'click' with myself, just because her ability to overlook almost everything he did robbed me of many potential fight scenes.
Still a semi-fan of the couple though.
You should compare Edward and Bella to Homer and Marge Simpson next. XD
satanicwatermelon 2 years ago 8
helz yes, love the joker shirt! i have his picture on my ipod!
zephyrvampire 2 years ago 2
These girls need to watch Oprah. She's always educating the public what abuse really is and she has experts helping her out. Obviously, they don't watch her show.
AsajjVentress 2 years ago
Very well said.
(I prefer the old theme, too)
SapphoGrl4U 2 years ago 3
It'sa problem that comes up with a lot of issues- people not recognizing more subtle forms of racism/sexism/homophobia because they assume that because someone isn't blatantly racist/sexist/homophobia, that automatically means that they aren't. It's often used as a rationalisation of someone's own internalised issues.
LaurasBookBlog 2 years ago 3
What do you mean?
MelinaPendulum 2 years ago
It really pisses me off when I see someone get emotionally abused by their significant other and these teenagers (twilight fangirls) are just like "Well they are just having a REGULAR argument, and besides he didn't actually hit her in the face or anything so it isn't abuse"
but i guess your right when you said you can't detect emotional abuse unless you've been there before. I think everyone needs to go through it at least once so they can see it.
mybunnysuit 2 years ago 8
exactly. bella is so weak, ignorant, and needy that she wouldn't complain if he smacked her upside the head with a steel pipe, as long as he explained that it was for her good. what the hell?
physical abuse is only one part of the wide spectrum of mistreatment. even just this haughty "i know what's best for you" attitude would be enough to make me run.
sarahewright9 2 years ago 8
i love Marylin Manson, and that's one of my favorite songs by him, but it doesn't really fit you...maybe it's because i'm too used to the old theme.
anyway, i agree with everything. saying that it's not abuse because she accepts it is like saying that it's not murder if the person is willing to let you kill them.
Cuddlebunzzz 2 years ago 7
Yeah he's a really abusive guy.
MelinaPendulum 2 years ago
P.S. I love your shirt. XD
ForeverACharmedOne 2 years ago
Thank you ^_^
MelinaPendulum 2 years ago
Ooh, new theme. I like both, though I got used to the old one and I subconsciously associate it with your blogs. lol. Anyway, I love that you had the question be Can You Abuse the Willing instead of Is Edward Abusive. The former really is the better question, and my answer for it is yes. You don't even have to be aware of the abuse happening for it to happen. I like how you compared and contrasted Joker&Harley with this. I support that couple too, (but I love JokerRachel as well)*5 stars*
ForeverACharmedOne 2 years ago
I like the old theme song as well, like DivineGrief said, it's totally your theme song XD
anyways, amazing video AS ALWAYS! lol =)
Edward is sooooo abusive. I feel sorry for everyone who has fallen in love with him lol
disneyjasmine01 2 years ago
I like this theme song, too. But I got used to the old one. But what about the arguement that emotional abuse is your fault because you're allowing the person to affect you? I'm not saying it's right. Thank you so much for this video. I am sick of people always thinking that abuse only has to be physical.
bookwormfaeriegirl 2 years ago 3
Five stars man, five stars.
laurariddle292 2 years ago
Thanks ^^
MelinaPendulum 2 years ago
What happened to the other theme song???
DivineGrief 2 years ago
I switched it up. Do you like the old one better?
MelinaPendulum 2 years ago
I like the other one better. It's kind of like YOUR theme song!! :)
phantomrox87 2 years ago
Really? lol ^_^
Well then I'll put it back ^^
MelinaPendulum 2 years ago
I like the other one because when I hear it, I'm like, "MelinaPendulum! Where?"
DivineGrief 2 years ago