i'm with therealthreep. peta is terrorist group i want to bring in finland in some woods because here is so rough inviorment to live like herbivores and how wants to can come with me and live like omnivore in stone age and see how survives best meat eaters or vegans
@Osmodaful Here in America vegans and vegetarians are surviving better. Heart disease, brought on from eating cadavers (dead animals), IS the number one killer. Those 99 cent flesh burgers end up wacking people out and before they get their last blast they cost patients 100 grand for bypass surgery.
How about cops that do illegal things? Like the one that is on my facebook and myspace pages. Look at the matching photos of an informent/agent who took the stand and said he was my witness when really he was UCLA's witness. He had film evidence edited of an unreasonable injury inflicted on at a demonstration. How do you feel about cops destroying evidence, that's a crime you know. Is that ok with you, if they do it to against people demonstrating against animal experimentation?
Maybe you will accidently shoot yourself since you are so full of hate towards PETA. You won't be able to concentrate on blowing away an unarmed animal. Real men don't bully animals. Pick on someone without a weapon you fucking wimp.
I never wore a mask when I confronted UCLA scum bag vivisectors (people that torture cats, dogs, etc) to ask them why they refuse to debate animal experimentation, for over 20 years now. Vivisectors always hide behide torture doors and never let the public see what they are doing to defenseless animals. Maybe you can show how manly you are and look at some film footage of what UCLA and others do to animals instead of supporting torture and medical fraud.
@corycatlady It's thanks to the Animal Liberation Front that you can view what vivisectors do. There is even footage of vivisectors saying, "You bettter hope the anti-vivisecton people don't get a hold of this." The ALF wore masks and retrieved the film. Now everyone can see laughing vivisectors holding a tortured, stiched up monkey while vivisectors say the monkey has the punk look. The mutilated monkey was so butchered up it would make anyone want to put on a mask and grow some.
@corycatlady Yeah, well good for you. The rest of these punks hide behind masks, steal animals, and destroy valuable, life-saving data. They never admit they're wrong. They never apologize. They are not going to win, not as long as I draw breath. And killing me is a billion times easier said than done.
@TheRealThreeP Do you have a death wish? Is that why you bring up being killed? Are you feeling guilty for torturing animals? Is that what you do? Are you a vivisector? It's too late for me to put on a mask. The police are watching me to see what I will do about their cover up. Just like you might be a cop watching to see who will respond to your last comment. But hey, maybe you really are a miserable vivisector and the holidays are making you feel remorse. What do you do for a living?
@corycatlady No, I'm just someone who believes that you can't just do what you want and just say, "damn the consequences," because, sooner or later, the consequences are going to damn you. We can't choose what laws we obey, and I will call the cops on anyone I suspect of siding with these mask-wearing thieves. And if I have to, I will also offer my support to both the FBI and INTERPOL.
@TheRealThreeP What? You are gonna call the cops on anyone "siding" with mask-wearers? I think the police have better things to do. Go ALF! Go! Go! Go!!!! Uh-o... dam!, TheRealThreeP is gonna... call the cops! ha!ha!ha! he ha!
@corycatlady If I catch them doing anything illegal, like, oh, say, trespassing, theft, destruction of property, or arson, that's just what I'm gonna do. And if someone has a problem with it, they're welcome to try to something about it. Just don't be surprised if it backfires for them. Miserably.
@TheRealThreeP How about cops that do illegal things? Like the one that is on my facebook and myspace pages. Look at the matching photos of an informent/agent who took the stand and said he was my witness when really he was UCLA's witness. He had film evidence edited of an unreasonable injury inflicted on at a demonstration.How do you feel about cops destroying evidence, that's a crime you know. Is that ok with you, if they do it to against people demonstrating against animal experimentation?
Since 2005 PETA has 'euthanised' 90% of the dogs and cats it has 'saved' Use google you treehuggers and know who you send your money too, hypocritical dog and cat killers. The statistics from the Norfolk Virgina site they use for disposing of these animals releases a yearly report on this very issue, it is public record for christ sake
The PETA angel of death program killing off adoptable pets shows that they don't even believe their own rhetoric, these people are idiots who have chosen a cause without having a clue, Alicia Silverstone would be proud but the rest of find these retards almost laughable if they weren't so militant and callous towards real human suffering, which is vastly more important than some little woodland creature, I think it may be some kind of species guilt,similar to white guilt, both of which are dumb
@villainpingouin You ought to take a look at the film Lethal Medicine which shows an animal being torched with a blow torch while it is alive by a "researcher", a vivisector scum bag. The film also contains doctors from Harvard University explaining why animal experimentation is unscientific for human beings
@corycatlady You ought to look at the news footage where PETA killed animals that were left in their care, hoping to be adopted but instead killed and thrown in dumpsters behind a mall.
@villainpingouin Seen it. I am not a PETA member. I am against animal experimentation, represented myself after an unreasonable injury inflicted on me demonstrating at UCLA. Someone handed me PETA flyers (before I knew about PETA killing) at a 2003 demonstration. I was going to hand them back since I was at UCLA for scientific reasons and not just the ethical arguement but I took them because I was there for both reasons.The flyers are in the demo film. PETA would not help me with the lawsuit.
@corycatlady The only reason that I could imagine that PETA wouldn't help you is that they see you as crazier than "they" and "they" don't need or want the competition. You lady, are a hypocrite and are clearly recognized as such! So, if I see you crazy shit on PETA's website I will make a retraction, but until then I see you as "One Crazy and Lonely Old Bitch"! Have a great day!
@RageNrock The reasons that PETA gave me for not helping with my lawsuit against UCLA vivisectors were; they said they don't have the money (PETA has their own lawyers) and they said I went into a private buidling (tresspassing is a legal conclusion, I was invited inside a UCLA buidling during a vivisector party). PETA has killed animals but they also have done good work for animals. Perhaps it was better PETA did not represent me since people use a bad part of PETA to turn away from any good.
@corycatlady I can not even begin to count, how many animal lives that I have taken over many years of hunting, trapping and just plain target shooting. I have killed for food, Skins, eradication and for just the fun of it but, I have also saved many animal lives just by having the right knowledge at the right time and place.
Whether it be a breach calf or the doctoring of a horse after a mountain lion attack, these animals survive only by my grace!
@corycatladyDoes this mean that you can find the same forgiveness for me.Because I have saved a few but killed so many, I am worthy of your ever shifting judgment. This is laughable for many reasons, not the least of which is the absolute hypocrisy of all you dope smoking, tree hugging leaches!
@RageNrock You are the one who posted this video making judgements. Not everyone who is involved in animal rights is a PETA member or fully against PETA. I don't agree with everything they do but still appreciate any good anyone does for animals. I don't smoke anything and happy to take a drug test. I get high on exposing the truth about animal experimentation and one day you will see me in the media exposing the cover up UCLA pulled on me. What they did is a threat to all activism of ANY kind.
No worries. I have everything documented from the trial. Including the witness who was holding the camera when I was unreasonably injured. He took the stand during my trial as my witness when he was obvioulsy UCLA's witness. I can prove it with 1991 matching infoment/agent photos, admitance to a 1993 name change during a deposition and unmatching birth dates. Keep on calling me stupid, lol. People will be saying worst. Always expected negativity from people that are pro vivisection as I progress
@corycatlady "I represented myself in a lawsuit in 2006." Stupid is as stupid does. Stop qualifying as an idiot, and I will stop calling you an idiot.
"guns" enough.
" I offered to drop my lawsuit early on at the mediation conference" Why would they accept mediation, when they can crush you in court. Which is what they did.
"I did I probably would of won." Woulda coulda shoulda.
"UCLA and an informent/agent had the evidence film edited." Uh huh, and the aliens stole the rest.
Yes indeed USSBN734, amusing I will be. One day I will help expose animal experimentation for the fraud that it is. I would like to make a shout out to John Doe number one who injured my left arm and was removed from evidence film by an informent. I hope you are losing sleep over the Food & Beverage Director of UCLA, Nick Bell, who died of a heart attack shortly after the incident. He was in the middle of a meeting about my lawsuit and did not want to go along with UCLA's cover up. Shame on you.
"I represented myself in a lawsuit in 2006." Stupid is as stupid does. Stop qualifying as an idiot, and I will stop calling you an idiot.
"guns" enough.
" I offered to drop my lawsuit early on at the mediation conference" Why would they accept mediation, when they can crush you in court. Which is what they did.
"I did I probably would of won." Woulda coulda shoulda.
"UCLA and an informent/agent had the evidence film edited." Uh huh, and the aliens stole the rest.
@corycatlady Why do you keep responding, honey? I don't hate you. You are beneath contempt. I am amused by your persistent stupidity, and I LOVE getting you to show off just what an idiot you are.
@corycatlady "My actions of asking UCLA to debate animal experimentation would be considered stupid" By anyone with enough brains to realized that representing yourself in a case is stupid at best.
@USSBN734 It was sad that I could not atleast get an animal rights lawyers take on the 4 day TRIAL against vivisectors. After Behind Her Ass finished Shannon Keith promised me she would look at my file and never looked at it because she wanted MONEY even though 3 years of work were finished for her. Do I care about people like her who steal the ALF's glory or all the obvious infoments that protect Vijay-camera man, F NO. Contingency was not an option because the evidence was removed by Vijay.
@corycatlady "I represented myself in a lawsuit in 2006." Stupid is as stupid does. Stop qualifying as an idiot, and I will stop calling you an idiot.
"guns" enough.
" I offered to drop my lawsuit early on at the mediation conference" Why would they accept mediation, when they can crush you in court. Which is what they did.
"I did I probably would of won." Woulda coulda shoulda.
"UCLA and an informent/agent had the evidence film edited." Uh huh, and the aliens stole the rest.
@USSBN734 My actions of asking UCLA to debate animal experimentation would be considered stupid by ignorant fools like you. Scum bags that cut up living animals with millions of American tax money during a recession. The only way to learn about human beings is to study human beings, not a different species. How many guns do you own 50 to 100?
USSBN734.... the truth is..... I wish that all lab animals, dogs, cats, monkeys, mice and other animals would all take a giant chunk out of all vivisectors (people that torture animals in laboratories) asses. I will say a prayer this Halloween since it will be my 5 year anniversary of taking UCLA scum bags to court. Check my witch photo out on myspace, maybe you already did. I am sending out my enery big time this year at all the vivisectors at UCLA. Happy Halloween, defenseless animals at UCLA!
@corycatlady "Why do you ask such a stupid question?" This from the person who attempted to sue UCLA representing herself in court & got her ass handed to her.
Enough said. You aren't intelligent enough to identify an intelligent or stupid question. It exceeds your capacity of thought.
"I hope a dog bites tonight, one that escapes from UCLA's torture lab." Ah yes, the personality disorder in FULL fledge.
@USSBN734 You need to accuse me of being stupid while I demonstrated that I am intelligent enough to of represented myself in a lawsuit against The Regents of the University of Calif. You must think that lawyers just show up to trials. You have no idea how much work is involved in a lawsuit. I was unable to pay for an attorney but I don't regret representing myself. Some fights are worth fighting even if you lose. I know I already won in other ways. Sorry, hope a lab dog bites you. I really do.
@corycatlady "I represented myself in a lawsuit in 2006." Stupid is as stupid does.
" I offered to drop my lawsuit early on at the mediation conference" Why would they accept mediation, when they can crush you in court. Which is what they did.
"I did I probably would of won." Woulda coulda shoulda.
"UCLA and an informent/agent had the evidence film edited." Uh huh, and the aliens stole the rest.
Again, Why would they (UCLA) waste their time on someone so obviously delusional?
@USSBN734 Why do you ask such a stupid question? They had to fight me court for 3 years because I had a worthy case. Otherwise, it would of been thrown out. You know nothing about law or you would know that. Yeah, there is a cover up UCLA pulled. Thank goodness because it's gonna bite them in the ass one day. Take that and shove it up or your heartless ass. I hope a dog bites tonight, one that escapes from UCLA's torture lab.
I don't think members of the ALF are too bothered about what is and isn't legal, all they know is their actions get results. Huntingdon Life Sciences have been pushed to the brink of ruin, it's a miracle they're still trading. I am happy to see the back of such companies, the only thing that concerns me is that if they are eradicated in the west, it will just mean they are replaced by labs in China and Japan, and the Chinese government is not the sort of government that you want to mess with...
Ah but here is the part that makes this sort of thing difficult:Animal testing gets funding because it produces results. Granted, they may be unreliable results,but funding is greater for tests that produce results regardless of what sort of result it is. Its sort of like how AIDS research gets funded and apes suffer by repeatedly getting infected with HIV and yet if every single AIDS victim wore a condom,AIDS would be gone in twenty years.Like I said, its all about the cash
And neither am I. It's interesting to note the millions upon millions of mice inflicted and killed with cancer over the past 10 maybe 20 years, and yet not one magic mouse has appeared that has the cure for cancer. I guess it only makes sense to keep wasting money on a completely irrelevant species instead of using cell cultures to replicate cancerous tissue. No matter what you test on an animal, it will never be reliable until it is tested on a human. That is a fact.
Well, you'll just have to take comfort in your own words. I didn't start a war. You commented something offensive on my ALF video, you were the instigator not me. How am I losing? How is this conversation any indicator that I am losing anything? I will hold a grudge as long as you support industries that are built on terror and yet point the finger at me and call me a terrorist supporter. It is, once again, hypocritical.
I did show manners on your page, you were the one who did not show manners on mine. You did not agree with what I had to say, so you let me say my piece and then you deleted my comments. I never resorted to name calling and I was civil with you and you called me a "Fucking idiot", "stupid" told me to "go to hell" among many other unpleasantries. If you had only kept my comments on your page, you could try to prove me wrong, however your comments are still on my page as proof.
Or perhaps I don't want to extend curtesy to someone who is rude and self righteous and will not show an iota of respect yet demand it full front? We covered everything I wanted to cover when you blocked me from your page following our discussion on the ALF. If you wish to continue that conversation, please feel free to message me as we are indeed spamming this persons comment section with our conversation, and it's rude of us.
Once again, your hypocrisy rears its obvious head. Apologies for not extending my grace to someone who thinks of themself quite highly and wishes to be respected, and yet refers to my posts as intellectual osmosis. What do you what me to say? Sorry that I'm not going to let you redefine a word so it gives you a reason to erase any differentiating opinions from your own? How is everyone dumber from reading my post, please enlighten me I'm extremely curious.
Perhaps your intellect isn't as impressive as you like to boast. I suggest you "google" the word spam and enlighten yourself on the definition. I was not spamming your page anymore than you were spamming mine, you just didn't wish to respond to/listen to what I was saying so you merely deleted my posts, blocked me and made some childish comment about how fast your delete key was so you wouldn't have to answer to me. Oh, is that a pun I see or just your sad attempt at one?
You have got such a superiority complex,you remind me of a child with a pout and their arms crossed over their chest. "This argument is over when I SAY ITS OVER!" Hahaha temper tantrum tactics again? You seem like a blatant hypocrite since you say vegans and vegetarians act superior and yet here you are claiming that you are superior in intellect, which is laughable at best. This isn't your page baby boy, I can say whatever I want without you crying and deleting and blocking.
The evil support the strong and comfortable. The noble support the beaten, the weak, and the oppressed. Continue to eat the shit that animal abusing industries feed to you, you're their wet dream.
@1Grinspoon the ALF's actions are extremely ruthless and show an appaling disregard for human rights, life and property. it is this agressive hostility and ruthlesness that marks them as criminals. it is only a matter of time until someone ends up being severly injured, if not killed "thanks" to their actions.
i am unable to see any difference at all between a guy skinning an animal alive or an ALF member. i despise both of them equally and so should anyone who honestly cares about animals.
@Timberwolftrass ??? I'm sorry but this is an extremely repulsive and disturbing comment, no rudeness implied. ALF has NO death count. Hurting property is nothing like skinning an animal alive. Sorry if I'm starting to be rude, but it is appalling that even someone with almost no regard for animal life would say something like this. It is disgusting. :/
@marekiller8 oh, i can assure you that i have a very high regard for animals. however i am also a realist who sees the world as it really is. ALF may have no death count, but that is only a matter of time. eventually someone will draw the conclussion that the only way to stop people performing experiments on animals is killing them. perhaps they will set fire on a lab and "forget" the poor souls locked inside? or maybe do some suicide bombing, turn themselves into martyrs of their cause.
@Timberwolftrass No, you clearly have a misunderstanding of what the A.L.F. is. Please allow me to explain. The A.L.F. has a code that one must follow in order to have their actions accepted on part of the A.L.F. One of these is that no life must be taken. This makes it literally impossible for the A.L.F. to kill anyone. Destroying buildings is enough to stop experiments. A.L.F. has been in operation for decades, so if they would've killed somebody, it would've been done by now.
@marekiller8 and this is where the problem is. destroying buildings is a enough to stop experiments? well guess what, destroying buildings is also a good way to get people killed. the prime example of how easily people can be killed by destroying buildings would probably be 09.11. destroying a building is a crime and there is no justification for using clearly criminal and terroristic tactics to achieve your goals. that is just as wrong as the experiments on live animals.
@Timberwolftrass You seem not to be understanding what I write. The A.L.F. are extremely well-informed. They know the work schedule of everyone employed at their target building, and only enter once everyone has left. They then rescue the helpless prisoners and destroy the building. It is not just as wrong, as it does not involve the ending or harming of life.
@marekiller8 oh i understand very well what you write. i understand that you are perfectly fine with using criminal, terroristical means paired with the subtle use of fear and intimidation to achieve your goals. you are ALF, aren't you? why else would you defend these criminals as much? blowing up a building is when you start taking things to far. there's a line in caring for animals somewhere along the road and destroying buildings is more than just crossing it.
@Timberwolftrass The A.L.F. destroy buildings to ensure the murderous fools do not simply restock on prisoners, but instead lose the building completely or have it made useless. This way, economical damage will hopefully put them out of business, but moreover, a stronghold for these murderers is destroyed, its innocent captives rescued. I assure you I am not A.L.F.; I would've referred to them in first person plural and, moreover, I'm much too young.
@marekiller8 destroying buildings, regardless of the circumstances, is wrong. this isn't some hollywood blockbuster movie where you can fight crime with crime and end up making right. the real world doesn't work this way. there are legal and lawful alternatives to destroying places, which are the only right ones to use. sneaking inside a building in the middle of the night with the intention of destroying it isn't one. it's an illegal, unlawful and willfull act of vile evil. nothing more.
@Timberwolftrass Why is it evil? It hurts nobody and saves hundreds. Would you destroy a building to save a life? Even if you figure you're not the one whose taking the lives, you can't really blame the people who WOULD choose to destroy the building, now can you? America, if that's where you live at least, has bullshit laws (excuse my language). Just because its law doesn't make it right. I feel its murder to kill animals but its not against the law, is it? Law is out of the question in ethics.
@marekiller8 huh... in a morbid sort of way, its kind of funny. questions like "why is it evil to blow up a building?" and lines like "law is out of the question in ethics" are things i expect to read from a sociopath. well, i suppose all sociopaths start young. i'm sure that Anders Behring Breivik said something like that too, as he detonated a bomb to kill 7 people and then shot about 86 teenagers between 14-19 years old in norway just a few short days ago.
@marekiller8 tell you what. you want to know and find out why blowing up a building is evil? do a little research. try to find a victim. someone who has worked him or herself at a building that got targeted by the ALF that either got destroyed or suffered heavy vandalism by ALF members. have a talk with him or her and ask them a little about how they feel about the whole thing. their point of view. perhaps then you will understand why its evil. how about that?
@marekiller8 oh, and before i forget it... please do me a favor. don't bother replying anymore because i sure as hell won't. as for as i am concerned, this discussion is over. i've read more than enough, more than i wanted or liked to and i decided that i got much better things to do in my very valuable free time than wasting it by trying to reason with a fanatic with sociopathic tendencies.
@Timberwolftrass Well good bye then. That was actually a rather rude farewell form someone I've been nice to during the whole conversation. So here's mine: Go Google your shit or fuck your smart-ass self, you burnt corpse-munching, arrogant, ignorant, ill-informed, unethical, immoral piece of shit bastard jack ass cunt. :)
@marekiller8 the ALF hurts property. hurting property includes acts such as setting fires and building bombs. if you are setting a fire and building a bomb, you are also are willingly accepting the risk of getting someone killed. "oh, but they only trash the place" you may reply. well, maybe one of those idiots smashes open the wrong valve and the lab slowly fills with toxic gas that harms or kills the people when they go to work the next day. is that still OK with you?
@Timberwolftrass A.L.F. is extremely well informed on what they are doing and how. They make very sophisticated and concise plans and execute them flawlessly (otherwise, again, it would not be regarded as an A.L.F. action, as they are non-violent). Now there is a group called the Animal Rights Militia who use violence including bombs and death threats. Although I support their cause I don't support their action, although they do have a pretty good philosophy called extensional self-defense.
@marekiller8 on a side note... whoever came up with Animal Right Militia, awesome dude! now if anyone is getting hurt or even killed during one of ALF's action, the ALF can say "that was so totally not us, that's them Militia guys". the perfect scapegoat.
@Timberwolftrass The A.R.M. are a solid group that I believe one must apply to join. They are much more of a community than A.L.F., namely because they have fewer members so its easier. Because of this, an animal rights activist trying to perform an action cannot be labeled A.R.M. at will, but must actually be a part of the group. The A.L.F. is different; any animal rights activist rescuing animals in a non-violent manner can be labelled A.L.F.
@1Grinspoon the ALF's actions are extremely ruthless and show an appaling disregard for human rights, life and property. it is this agressive hostility and ruthlesness that marks them as criminals. it is only a matter of time until someone ends up being severly injured, if not killed "thanks" to their actions.
i am unable to see any difference at all between a guy skinning an animal alive or an ALF member. i despise both of them equally and so should anyone who honestly cares about animals.
RageNrock, fuck you you ignorant bastard. Your one of the many people who has no idea what theyre talking about because you get force fed by the government. "wake up america"? if anyone needs to wake its you comparing the ALF to adolf hitler is the most offensive ignorant thing you can do you are one of the most un educated human beings i have met
@Epicnerdgasm Lol. This is the thing that makes me laugh about most humans. Why is it any different? I can compare killing an ant to killing a chipmunk but you wouldn't say anything; why would you just because I happened to compare the most destructive species on Earth, humans? Get a grasp of philosophy and ethics. Unless you can prove animals don't experience life and consciousness, you must treat them as if they did.
@Epicnerdgasm Well I guess I should go give my respectable mother the feeling of a knife slitting her throat. By your logic, it makes perfect sense. Corpse munching fat asses. Killing is wrong and that's that, you fucker.
@marekiller8 killing is also a natural part of life and nature. a crocodile is a predator, a carnivore. that means meat eater. crocodile attack and kill other animals and then eat them. that's how they survive, the natural way of life. so... no, there is nothing wrong in killing an animal if you intend to eat it. its just a natural part of life. whethever you look at crocodiles, wolves, sharks, lions, tigers, bears, eagles, snakes... they are all carnivore predators who kill to eat and survive.
@Timberwolftrass This would be a lot more fitting an argument if humans were actually natural vegetarians. We can argue this ceaselessly, but overall, all that matters is the fact we can live just as well (actually better, as vegetarians/vegans live longer and healthier lives) without eating sentient beings. Can a crocodile do the same? No. Even if we couldn't survive properly without murder, killing can never be justified (apart from euthanasia), even if it is performed by a lion.
@marekiller8 and this is were you are wrong. you cannot live longer or better for being a vegan, you "just" can live as good. the believe that meat is not healthy is common amongst radical vegans who try to enforce their believes on others, but it is a wrong one. as for your other comment... well, next time you see a lion catching an antilope to feed itself and its youn, you're welcome to walk up to it and reprimand it. you're even welcome to try and arrest it for first degree murder.
@Timberwolftrass Meat is extremely unhealthy! This is scientific, biological, whatever-you-wanna-call-it FACT! Sorry about the excitement, but even from a "neutral" view it will always be true. This is the exact reason veganism is so popular among health-addicts, and even Bill Gates has been vegan for a while now due to heart complications while he was eating meat (and is now much healthier). Meat also leaves people susceptible to over 400 diseases, Mad Cow being just one.
@Timberwolftrass It is unreasonable and irrational to try to ask a lion to try and become morally fair. They also have a much greater excuse than us, but overall, it is still murder whatsoever. Arresting anyone does nothing; it is simply violence against violence (as Gandhi would say; and just to add, the lion wouldn't understand the arrest). Personally, if I was ever arrested for activism in the so-called land of free speech, I would starve myself, but anyways, I hope you see my point. :D
@marekiller8 killing an animal to feed yourself, your family or your tribe is simply not murder, claiming otherwise only shows that you have no understanding about what defines actual "murder". your "point" as you call it is one of utmost naivity and only shows very clearly that you have lived your entire live in a cradle of modern society where you got spoon fed pretty much everything without having you actively do something for it.
@Timberwolftrass Of course this is true; I was raised like most people in the world without having to earn my food. However, this is not something I volunteered for. I would much rather have lived in a tribal society, as I really prefer nature to technology. Here is something your statement also displays as morally correct: cannibalism. Many tribes, such as those in Papua New Guinea and the Amazon, kill others for food. This is surely not wrong, seeing as they are sustaining themselves?
@Timberwolftrass Also, in case you think I am being inconsiderate by simply assuming everyone can adopt a morally acceptable diet, it is my viable belief that if one can access the internet, they can eat some vegetation at least weekly. Simply increase this intake. I don't see any evident problems, but you're more then welcome to point out the ones you spot.
@Timberwolftrass This is because plants are not sentient, i.e. they do not feel suffering in any form. Suffering is a natural mechanism that works to make animals aware they are in a dangerous situation, but it is also a moral indicator as to what species are "worth" saving. Animals can be hurt (whether emotionally or physically) and thus should not be killed, which is why we shouldn't kill humans either. Plants can't feel pain as they would find no natural use for it (as they can't move much).
@marekiller8 yes yes, that truly is a fancy schmancy philosophy. however the reality is a different one. we need to eat animals to survive. much like predators need to eat animals to survive.
@Timberwolftrass Yes, I see your point, but its really more based on the situation. In an average situation, I think meat is not necessary to survival at all, and we could all live a better life by resisting from eating meat. Meat is unnecessary, and any beneficial supplements that can be found in meat have plant-derived substitutes (supplements) in your local pharmacy. Even without these, you still live a longer, healthier life without meat. continued in next comment
@Timberwolftrass cont. Now, in a more tight situation, meat might seem morally acceptable as a possibility. However, it is basically forcing someone to give you something, but not just anything- the biggest thing they could possibly give. You are forcing them to give you their life so that you can survive. I personally find this greedy, and so I would die before I consumed meat. I hope you see my point and look into vegetarianism a little. :D
@Timberwolftrass cont. Now, in a more tight situation, meat might seem morally acceptable as a possibility. However, it is basically forcing someone to give you something, but not just anything- the biggest thing they could possibly give. You are forcing them to give you their life so that you can survive. I personally find this greedy, and so I would die before I consumed meat. I hope you see my point and look into vegetarianism a little. :D
@marekiller8 there is nothing wrong or bad about consuming meat and killing the animal to obtain it. like it or not, this is how life, nature and the world works. and it is a good thing too for its a vital mechanism to keep nature and its eco-system, that we need to survive by the way, in balance. to call it "greedy" is a statement born of delusional ignorance, which in turn was caused by a severe lack of understanding.
@Timberwolftrass I agree, it is natural by all means (killing, that is). But when one has surpassed nature they must look down and see whether it is really right. It may just as well be natural to be cannibalistic, but it is shunned upon as wrong. I agree that it is wrong, but so is killing of any sentient being. What it comes down to is a question of why we value humans above animals in moral considerations. Unless we can explain this, we are at a loss. :)
@marekiller8 are you seriously so arrogant that you would consider yourself having "surpassed nature" as you put it? as to your question, it is simple to answer. we value humans above other animals because they are... well, humans. because we are the same species. kin, clan, tribe, pack, family, whatever you want to call it. we humans are very social, which is why we tend to socialise with one another. live in families, cities, nations etc. so naturaly, we tend to stick together. easy as that.
@Timberwolftrass I see what you're trying to say. i'm not being arrogant; humans, with their technological advances, have indeed surpassed nature's abilities. They could destroy nature if they wanted to, and they have enough power to overcome nearly anything due to their engineering capabilities. However, I didn't say they were superior to nature. I simply said they have overpowered it, which is true. Earth is at our mercy. continued...
@Timberwolftrass cont. Now, about why we value humans more, I was honestly looking more for a logical, moral answer than a literal one. I want to know whether its really correct to go ahead and say we should respect humans more because they are our species, as the same argument can be applied to racism or sexism. Sure, you can argue that species are farther apart than genders within them, but then we ask this: where is the splitting point of moral acceptability (gender, species, etc.), and why?
@marekiller8 you will find no "moral" answer because a moral answer does not exist per say unless you make one up by yourself. morality is something entirely human based and everyone makes his own morality up by himself, out of free will or through means of indoctrination. with vegans, its usually indoctrination. as for the "logic" part, well... those are your basic, primal instincts speaking there, the same ones that drive us like any other species too. logical enough for me.
@Timberwolftrass Indoctrination, eh? I doubt so; look up great vegans like Peter Singer. I've never met or seen or heard of an indoctrinated vegan; I, for one, have developed all my ideas myself starting at age 12 (everything was developed by the age of 13). It is more common for the majority of humans to be indoctrinated, as most (I should say all) thoughts about respect for humanity and disrespect for animals are brainwashed onto people, starting from children. continued...
@marekiller8 yes indoctrination and no, you have not developed all your ideas of your own. you have been brainwashed somewhere along the way, otherwise you wouldn't spout bullshit like that subtle hint that meat might be bad for you and you'd live much better going for a vegan style of life. that is simply not true, a hollow lie that cannot be backed up and something a lot of militant vegans use to try and force their believe on others.
@Timberwolftrass This is simply not true, as I don't eat meat for ethical purposes rather than for healthy living. These are assuredly not lies. It is backed by surveys conducted on vegetarian/vegan and meat-eating populations. It is also biologically undeniable; all meat has the same amount of LCD cholesterol and fat (as a ratio), and this is biologically factual. You can research meat online; even a non-biased website will back my claims.
@Timberwolftrass cont. Logical, but not in proximity with morality and ethics (which are synonymous, by the way). Morality, I agree, can be subjective, but only with the common goal. Morality with the same rule or goal can be, in fact, objective through logical means (this is why physics/logic and ethics/morality are very tightly connected). My morality's "rule" is that one should not cause pain or suffering to a sentient being, as you are taking a worthwhile life from them or degrading it.
@marekiller8 technically, that is correct. however, taking the life of an animal because you intend to eat it is not degrading them. yes, you are taking something worthwhile from them, their life. then again, by doing so you most likely end up feeding yourself and your family which helps you survive. there is nothing wrong with that and like or not, but this happens to be how the world works too.
@Timberwolftrass I see your point of taking form one to give to the other, but all in all, you are forcefully taking, which is wrong to begin with. Why is it better for the humans to live well than it is for the cow to live at all? Also, we encounter another problem. The humans do not need the cow's death to survive, as there other alternatives, as I've brought up before. Your point may have been more valid if eating meat was the lone option. Hope you're seeing the way I think. :)
When people fought for the rights of blacks, the majority shunned Africans. When women fought to be treated as equal, they were scoffed upon. When people struggled for Jews to be freed, they met resistance. People fighting for animals are called lunatics, terrorists, extremists, psychopaths, by most of the Earth. But guess what? Blacks are now accepted as people who are just as good as the rest. Women are given the same rights as men. Nazis are no longer reigning. What's missing?
Great video!! No point in arguing with an ARA, they dont use common sense and offer only twisted logic at best. Keep up the good work and get the message out. we need to educate people about the kinds of idiots that support ALF and peta.
@maxbassin If I could do things all over I would of just been an underground person, an ALF person. Because, after all, UCLA pulled a cover up on me after they smashed me at the public university while asking why they refuse to debate what they claim is helping human beings. There are so many informents and agents in the movement that do illegal work against acitivists. So go ALF, go, go go!!! Expose the heartless pieces of shit that take tax money to do nothing but torture animals.
@maxbassin Im bad ass, that's for sure. Check out the lawsuit I represented myself in against UCLA scum bag vivisectors. It took me 3 years and I did the trial myself. The greatest achievement I acomplished in my life. Look at the loser informent that pulled a cover up on me, what an idiot.
Go to myspace look under uclacoverup (UCLA COVER UP).
@corycatlady I am totataly against people who protest animal testing, I have a 10 yr old son who has had type 1 diabetes since he was 18 months old. Insulin would not exist if it were not for animal testing on dog's. To protest animal testing is the same as wanting my son dead! Hope you're proud,
Respond to this video... I'm totally against people who protest animal testing. I have a 10 yr old son who has had type 1 diabetes since he was 18 months old, And yes he is a straight A student. He is alive because of Insulin which was discovered by animal testing on dog's. To protest animal testing.... is the same as wanting my son dead! I hope you're proud of you're self. I'll kill before my son dies.
@maxbassin Wow maxmassin, are you threatening MY life or other DEMONSTRATORS? I am all for medical progress. That is part of the reason I have devoted my life to exposing animal experimentation. I am not here to debate you, there are medical doctors against vivisection available for that. UCLA refused my offer to drop a lawsuit if they would debate animal experimenation. I was smashed into a UCLA wall for asking why the university refuses to debate what they claim saves human lives.
@corycatlady Why would they (UCLA) waste their time on someone so obviously delusional? If you want to sue them. Take them to court! Nothing is stopping you...
Except your own knowledge that you have NO case, and the only result of you taking them to court will be you wasting your money, and then enduring a countersuit that will cost you everything you have.
"I am not here to debate you" It is a good thing, because you have already lost.
@USSBN734 I represented myself in a lawsuit in 2006. My jury trial lasted 4 and half days and started on Halloween 2006. I offered to drop my lawsuit early on at the mediation conference if UCLA would debate animal experimentation with a MD opposed but UCLA refused my offer and spent 3 years fighting me. I did not have the money for a lawyer, if I did I probably would of won. Unfortunately, UCLA and an informent/agent had the evidence film edited. See my evidence of the UCLA Cover Up at myspace.
@max Why shouldn't your son have a cure tested on him? With enough medical precautions, your son could be the one to find a good cure and that would NOT sacrifice your son or animals. And killing before your son dies.. Do you know how hypocritical that is? You sound like a murderous mother bear. The sad thing is a bear would be euthanized be you'd just get 10 years in prison. There is more to life than just you and your son. If you were one of the animals being tested on, you'd feel differently.
@corycatlady To be fair, I must admit that I have met some people that have been vegan for 30 plus years and have never even been to one demonstration their entire lives. Many of those people will flat out admit they don't give a shit about animals and only care about their artieries and don't want heart disease, etc. Those folks are weak individuals, pussies I would say. Now other vegans that go out and get active, now that's no vegan pussy! Go ALF!
@corycatlady no of course im not calling you a "pussy"! That's just what most of these inbred, trailer trash, anti-ALF/PETA lowlifes think of activists. You are a hero my friend! Much love to ALF and any group fighting for animal rights!!
@MrSnitchkilla187 Thanks so much MrSnitchKilla! I hope you check out the snithes on my myspace page, it's so obvious and shows how stupid a lot of them are! They are arrogant and we all know that arrogance is what got Custard killed. One snitch even admitted to me she is a snitch and said, "What are you going to do about it?" Now she has a restraining order against me for singing a song to her on her machine even though I never threatened her. One currupt agent has matching photos,1991 and 2008.
@MrSnitchkilla187 Thanks for standing up against torture to animals. Be sure to watch that snitch/informent/agent Jerry Vlasak with UCLA monkey torturer Dadid Jentz, channel 7 news at 11 pm on Thursday, April 7. Vlasak defended the informent/agent shown in the 1991 article on snitches and the 2008 photos shown on myspace page (link on my utube page). "Vijay was in the military before." Vlasak's desperate attempt to protect another snitch & crook.
This is some of the dumbest shit I've seen on YouTube! How fucking retarded do you have to be to call an organization who saves animals from suffering, "terrorists"?!?! I hope I meet one of these spineless little faggot anti-ALF lowlifes one day. Unlike Alf/PETA, I AM extremely violent! And there's nothing in the world I love more than hurting people who hurt animals!! Not all animal activists are anti-violence vegan pussies.
@MrSnitchkilla187 I hope you are not calling me a pussy. I spent 3 years representing myself, did a trial against UCLA vivisectors because every animal rights lawyer I went to wanted money to do the trial even after 3 years of work was done for them. I sure as hell ain't no pussy when you think about these facts. Some activists may not advocate violence but that doens't mean they don't love the ALF. Mrsnitchkilla, please don't kill anyone because that's against the ALF guidelines.
Pacplayer, to view some animal experimentation film footage you can find some on my myspace page where you will also see evidence of a cover up UCLA pulled on me while I was asking them why they refuse to debate what they claim is helping human beings. The government REALLY hates people like me because I am non violent and had violence done to me. UCLA smashed me into a wall and then edited the film though a currupt agent uclacoverup. Next, YOUR rights will be taken and abused.
@RageNrock If you knew anything at all, you'd know PETA is for civil disobedience and the ALF is for direct action. That's what classifies PETA as an organisation and ALF as "terrorists." So get your facts straight before making videos that make you look ignorant. And the ALF are heroes. They're rescuing defenseless, sentient beings from the ignorant, raping clutches of man. They have never hurt a living being, so you can't call them terrorists. Terrorists harm people.
Peta are a pittyful excuse of an animal rights organisation. Peta say that know one should eat meat. well children do you cant give a child suppliments. secondly peta euthanised 21,000 animals over a 6 year peroid. As well as this peta are honestly saying that a child and a mouse has the same worth in life. Finally peta have funded terroist organisations siuch as the ALF.. who have desocrated animal testing facilities. if people want good for animals join the wwf not this excuse.
@TheChoujinVirus, It never said that this was an anti-alf video. It said that they're terrorists... oyeah... btw... who's the terrorist... the people saving the lifes (of animals) or the one's making the animal's live they're lives in fear.... derp.
terrible video. terrible music. terrible person.
matteriaa 2 weeks ago
i'm with therealthreep. peta is terrorist group i want to bring in finland in some woods because here is so rough inviorment to live like herbivores and how wants to can come with me and live like omnivore in stone age and see how survives best meat eaters or vegans
Osmodaful 2 months ago
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corycatlady 1 month ago
@Osmodaful Here in America vegans and vegetarians are surviving better. Heart disease, brought on from eating cadavers (dead animals), IS the number one killer. Those 99 cent flesh burgers end up wacking people out and before they get their last blast they cost patients 100 grand for bypass surgery.
corycatlady 1 month ago
How about cops that do illegal things? Like the one that is on my facebook and myspace pages. Look at the matching photos of an informent/agent who took the stand and said he was my witness when really he was UCLA's witness. He had film evidence edited of an unreasonable injury inflicted on at a demonstration. How do you feel about cops destroying evidence, that's a crime you know. Is that ok with you, if they do it to against people demonstrating against animal experimentation?
corycatlady 2 months ago
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corycatlady 3 months ago
Maybe you will accidently shoot yourself since you are so full of hate towards PETA. You won't be able to concentrate on blowing away an unarmed animal. Real men don't bully animals. Pick on someone without a weapon you fucking wimp.
corycatlady 3 months ago
@corycatlady Yeah, and hiding behind a fucking ski mask is manly. Grow a pair.
TheRealThreeP 3 months ago
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corycatlady 3 months ago
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I never wore a mask when I confronted UCLA scum bag vivisectors (people that torture cats, dogs, etc) to ask them why they refuse to debate animal experimentation, for over 20 years now. Vivisectors always hide behide torture doors and never let the public see what they are doing to defenseless animals. Maybe you can show how manly you are and look at some film footage of what UCLA and others do to animals instead of supporting torture and medical fraud.
corycatlady 3 months ago
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corycatlady 3 months ago
@corycatlady It's thanks to the Animal Liberation Front that you can view what vivisectors do. There is even footage of vivisectors saying, "You bettter hope the anti-vivisecton people don't get a hold of this." The ALF wore masks and retrieved the film. Now everyone can see laughing vivisectors holding a tortured, stiched up monkey while vivisectors say the monkey has the punk look. The mutilated monkey was so butchered up it would make anyone want to put on a mask and grow some.
corycatlady 3 months ago
@corycatlady Yeah, well good for you. The rest of these punks hide behind masks, steal animals, and destroy valuable, life-saving data. They never admit they're wrong. They never apologize. They are not going to win, not as long as I draw breath. And killing me is a billion times easier said than done.
TheRealThreeP 2 months ago
@TheRealThreeP Do you have a death wish? Is that why you bring up being killed? Are you feeling guilty for torturing animals? Is that what you do? Are you a vivisector? It's too late for me to put on a mask. The police are watching me to see what I will do about their cover up. Just like you might be a cop watching to see who will respond to your last comment. But hey, maybe you really are a miserable vivisector and the holidays are making you feel remorse. What do you do for a living?
corycatlady 2 months ago
@corycatlady No, I'm just someone who believes that you can't just do what you want and just say, "damn the consequences," because, sooner or later, the consequences are going to damn you. We can't choose what laws we obey, and I will call the cops on anyone I suspect of siding with these mask-wearing thieves. And if I have to, I will also offer my support to both the FBI and INTERPOL.
TheRealThreeP 2 months ago
@TheRealThreeP What? You are gonna call the cops on anyone "siding" with mask-wearers? I think the police have better things to do. Go ALF! Go! Go! Go!!!! Uh-o... dam!, TheRealThreeP is gonna... call the cops! ha!ha!ha! he ha!
corycatlady 2 months ago
@corycatlady If I catch them doing anything illegal, like, oh, say, trespassing, theft, destruction of property, or arson, that's just what I'm gonna do. And if someone has a problem with it, they're welcome to try to something about it. Just don't be surprised if it backfires for them. Miserably.
TheRealThreeP 2 months ago
@TheRealThreeP How about cops that do illegal things? Like the one that is on my facebook and myspace pages. Look at the matching photos of an informent/agent who took the stand and said he was my witness when really he was UCLA's witness. He had film evidence edited of an unreasonable injury inflicted on at a demonstration.How do you feel about cops destroying evidence, that's a crime you know. Is that ok with you, if they do it to against people demonstrating against animal experimentation?
corycatlady 1 month ago
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corycatlady 3 months ago
Bunch of tree hugging hippies, I can't wait to go hunting this Sunday! To bad its not legal to hunt PETA members.
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Since 2005 PETA has 'euthanised' 90% of the dogs and cats it has 'saved' Use google you treehuggers and know who you send your money too, hypocritical dog and cat killers. The statistics from the Norfolk Virgina site they use for disposing of these animals releases a yearly report on this very issue, it is public record for christ sake
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The PETA angel of death program killing off adoptable pets shows that they don't even believe their own rhetoric, these people are idiots who have chosen a cause without having a clue, Alicia Silverstone would be proud but the rest of find these retards almost laughable if they weren't so militant and callous towards real human suffering, which is vastly more important than some little woodland creature, I think it may be some kind of species guilt,similar to white guilt, both of which are dumb
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Peta doesn't care about animals. All they care about is the money that brainwashed people are giving them.
villainpingouin 4 months ago
Did anyone ask the animals how they would feel about being liberated by being torched alive?
villainpingouin 4 months ago
@villainping Did you know that vivisectors (so called "researchers") torch animals alive all the time?
corycatlady 3 months ago
@villainpingouin You ought to take a look at the film Lethal Medicine which shows an animal being torched with a blow torch while it is alive by a "researcher", a vivisector scum bag. The film also contains doctors from Harvard University explaining why animal experimentation is unscientific for human beings
corycatlady 3 months ago
@corycatlady You ought to look at the news footage where PETA killed animals that were left in their care, hoping to be adopted but instead killed and thrown in dumpsters behind a mall.
villainpingouin 3 months ago
@villainpingouin Seen it. I am not a PETA member. I am against animal experimentation, represented myself after an unreasonable injury inflicted on me demonstrating at UCLA. Someone handed me PETA flyers (before I knew about PETA killing) at a 2003 demonstration. I was going to hand them back since I was at UCLA for scientific reasons and not just the ethical arguement but I took them because I was there for both reasons.The flyers are in the demo film. PETA would not help me with the lawsuit.
corycatlady 3 months ago
@corycatlady The only reason that I could imagine that PETA wouldn't help you is that they see you as crazier than "they" and "they" don't need or want the competition. You lady, are a hypocrite and are clearly recognized as such! So, if I see you crazy shit on PETA's website I will make a retraction, but until then I see you as "One Crazy and Lonely Old Bitch"! Have a great day!
RageNrock 3 months ago
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corycatlady 3 months ago
@RageNrock The reasons that PETA gave me for not helping with my lawsuit against UCLA vivisectors were; they said they don't have the money (PETA has their own lawyers) and they said I went into a private buidling (tresspassing is a legal conclusion, I was invited inside a UCLA buidling during a vivisector party). PETA has killed animals but they also have done good work for animals. Perhaps it was better PETA did not represent me since people use a bad part of PETA to turn away from any good.
corycatlady 3 months ago
@corycatlady I can not even begin to count, how many animal lives that I have taken over many years of hunting, trapping and just plain target shooting. I have killed for food, Skins, eradication and for just the fun of it but, I have also saved many animal lives just by having the right knowledge at the right time and place.
Whether it be a breach calf or the doctoring of a horse after a mountain lion attack, these animals survive only by my grace!
RageNrock 3 months ago
@corycatladyDoes this mean that you can find the same forgiveness for me.Because I have saved a few but killed so many, I am worthy of your ever shifting judgment. This is laughable for many reasons, not the least of which is the absolute hypocrisy of all you dope smoking, tree hugging leaches!
Have a great day!
RageNrock 3 months ago
@RageNrock You are the one who posted this video making judgements. Not everyone who is involved in animal rights is a PETA member or fully against PETA. I don't agree with everything they do but still appreciate any good anyone does for animals. I don't smoke anything and happy to take a drug test. I get high on exposing the truth about animal experimentation and one day you will see me in the media exposing the cover up UCLA pulled on me. What they did is a threat to all activism of ANY kind.
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illadvised000 3 months ago
"Were not in the condeming business" , they say, yet they condemn everything. Talk about backwards fucking "logic"
Ariosophist8814 4 months ago
Seriously these fucktards are doing the same inhumame shit they are fighting against.
Ariosophist8814 4 months ago
I would love to beat these animal fucking dumbfucks with a pipe. Seriously
Ariosophist8814 4 months ago
No worries. I have everything documented from the trial. Including the witness who was holding the camera when I was unreasonably injured. He took the stand during my trial as my witness when he was obvioulsy UCLA's witness. I can prove it with 1991 matching infoment/agent photos, admitance to a 1993 name change during a deposition and unmatching birth dates. Keep on calling me stupid, lol. People will be saying worst. Always expected negativity from people that are pro vivisection as I progress
corycatlady 4 months ago
@corycatlady "I represented myself in a lawsuit in 2006." Stupid is as stupid does. Stop qualifying as an idiot, and I will stop calling you an idiot.
"guns" enough.
" I offered to drop my lawsuit early on at the mediation conference" Why would they accept mediation, when they can crush you in court. Which is what they did.
"I did I probably would of won." Woulda coulda shoulda.
"UCLA and an informent/agent had the evidence film edited." Uh huh, and the aliens stole the rest.
USSBN734 4 months ago
Yes indeed USSBN734, amusing I will be. One day I will help expose animal experimentation for the fraud that it is. I would like to make a shout out to John Doe number one who injured my left arm and was removed from evidence film by an informent. I hope you are losing sleep over the Food & Beverage Director of UCLA, Nick Bell, who died of a heart attack shortly after the incident. He was in the middle of a meeting about my lawsuit and did not want to go along with UCLA's cover up. Shame on you.
corycatlady 4 months ago
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"I represented myself in a lawsuit in 2006." Stupid is as stupid does. Stop qualifying as an idiot, and I will stop calling you an idiot.
"guns" enough.
" I offered to drop my lawsuit early on at the mediation conference" Why would they accept mediation, when they can crush you in court. Which is what they did.
"I did I probably would of won." Woulda coulda shoulda.
"UCLA and an informent/agent had the evidence film edited." Uh huh, and the aliens stole the rest.
USSBN734 4 months ago
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corycatlady 4 months ago
@corycatlady Why do you keep responding, honey? I don't hate you. You are beneath contempt. I am amused by your persistent stupidity, and I LOVE getting you to show off just what an idiot you are.
USSBN734 4 months ago
@corycatlady "My actions of asking UCLA to debate animal experimentation would be considered stupid" By anyone with enough brains to realized that representing yourself in a case is stupid at best.
USSBN734 4 months ago
@USSBN734 It was sad that I could not atleast get an animal rights lawyers take on the 4 day TRIAL against vivisectors. After Behind Her Ass finished Shannon Keith promised me she would look at my file and never looked at it because she wanted MONEY even though 3 years of work were finished for her. Do I care about people like her who steal the ALF's glory or all the obvious infoments that protect Vijay-camera man, F NO. Contingency was not an option because the evidence was removed by Vijay.
corycatlady 4 months ago
@corycatlady "I represented myself in a lawsuit in 2006." Stupid is as stupid does. Stop qualifying as an idiot, and I will stop calling you an idiot.
"guns" enough.
" I offered to drop my lawsuit early on at the mediation conference" Why would they accept mediation, when they can crush you in court. Which is what they did.
"I did I probably would of won." Woulda coulda shoulda.
"UCLA and an informent/agent had the evidence film edited." Uh huh, and the aliens stole the rest.
USSBN734 4 months ago
@USSBN734 What is your interest in this video posted? Do you just hate me? Who all do you hate and why?
corycatlady 4 months ago
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corycatlady 4 months ago
@corycatlady How many cats do you own? Something between 30 and 50?
USSBN734 4 months ago
@corycatlady " You need to accuse me of being stupid" Oh I know that. Your actions are quite enough evidence that you are an idiot.
USSBN734 4 months ago
@USSBN734 My actions of asking UCLA to debate animal experimentation would be considered stupid by ignorant fools like you. Scum bags that cut up living animals with millions of American tax money during a recession. The only way to learn about human beings is to study human beings, not a different species. How many guns do you own 50 to 100?
corycatlady 4 months ago
USSBN734.... the truth is..... I wish that all lab animals, dogs, cats, monkeys, mice and other animals would all take a giant chunk out of all vivisectors (people that torture animals in laboratories) asses. I will say a prayer this Halloween since it will be my 5 year anniversary of taking UCLA scum bags to court. Check my witch photo out on myspace, maybe you already did. I am sending out my enery big time this year at all the vivisectors at UCLA. Happy Halloween, defenseless animals at UCLA!
corycatlady 4 months ago
@corycatlady "Why do you ask such a stupid question?" This from the person who attempted to sue UCLA representing herself in court & got her ass handed to her.
Enough said. You aren't intelligent enough to identify an intelligent or stupid question. It exceeds your capacity of thought.
"I hope a dog bites tonight, one that escapes from UCLA's torture lab." Ah yes, the personality disorder in FULL fledge.
Pathetic.
USSBN734 4 months ago
@USSBN734 You need to accuse me of being stupid while I demonstrated that I am intelligent enough to of represented myself in a lawsuit against The Regents of the University of Calif. You must think that lawyers just show up to trials. You have no idea how much work is involved in a lawsuit. I was unable to pay for an attorney but I don't regret representing myself. Some fights are worth fighting even if you lose. I know I already won in other ways. Sorry, hope a lab dog bites you. I really do.
corycatlady 4 months ago
@corycatlady "I represented myself in a lawsuit in 2006." Stupid is as stupid does.
" I offered to drop my lawsuit early on at the mediation conference" Why would they accept mediation, when they can crush you in court. Which is what they did.
"I did I probably would of won." Woulda coulda shoulda.
"UCLA and an informent/agent had the evidence film edited." Uh huh, and the aliens stole the rest.
Again, Why would they (UCLA) waste their time on someone so obviously delusional?
USSBN734 4 months ago
@USSBN734 Why do you ask such a stupid question? They had to fight me court for 3 years because I had a worthy case. Otherwise, it would of been thrown out. You know nothing about law or you would know that. Yeah, there is a cover up UCLA pulled. Thank goodness because it's gonna bite them in the ass one day. Take that and shove it up or your heartless ass. I hope a dog bites tonight, one that escapes from UCLA's torture lab.
corycatlady 4 months ago
So how do you delusional idiots justify the animals YOU kill? Or are you under the impression that because you are vegetarian you don't kill animals?
What a bunch of fucking idiots.
USSBN734 4 months ago
I don't think members of the ALF are too bothered about what is and isn't legal, all they know is their actions get results. Huntingdon Life Sciences have been pushed to the brink of ruin, it's a miracle they're still trading. I am happy to see the back of such companies, the only thing that concerns me is that if they are eradicated in the west, it will just mean they are replaced by labs in China and Japan, and the Chinese government is not the sort of government that you want to mess with...
tool2342 6 months ago
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corycatlady 6 months ago
Cold day in HELL before yo succeed in killing my child!
maxbassin 6 months ago
You are killing many people. Children as well.
maxbassin 6 months ago
most stupid video ever...
there's just one word that can explain how much I feel ashamed for you heart-/brainless suckers: facepalm
congrats on supporting exploitation, murder and slavery
ILoveSk8brdng 6 months ago
@PissedPlayinPimp
Ah but here is the part that makes this sort of thing difficult:Animal testing gets funding because it produces results. Granted, they may be unreliable results,but funding is greater for tests that produce results regardless of what sort of result it is. Its sort of like how AIDS research gets funded and apes suffer by repeatedly getting infected with HIV and yet if every single AIDS victim wore a condom,AIDS would be gone in twenty years.Like I said, its all about the cash
LegendxWind 7 months ago
@PissedPlayinPimp
And neither am I. It's interesting to note the millions upon millions of mice inflicted and killed with cancer over the past 10 maybe 20 years, and yet not one magic mouse has appeared that has the cure for cancer. I guess it only makes sense to keep wasting money on a completely irrelevant species instead of using cell cultures to replicate cancerous tissue. No matter what you test on an animal, it will never be reliable until it is tested on a human. That is a fact.
LegendxWind 7 months ago
@PissedPlayinPimp
Only in your opinion.
LegendxWind 7 months ago
@PissedPlayinPimp
Just like I have every right to hate the scofflaws and terrorists you support. I'm so happy we've reached a common ground.
LegendxWind 7 months ago
@PissedPlayinPimp
Well, you'll just have to take comfort in your own words. I didn't start a war. You commented something offensive on my ALF video, you were the instigator not me. How am I losing? How is this conversation any indicator that I am losing anything? I will hold a grudge as long as you support industries that are built on terror and yet point the finger at me and call me a terrorist supporter. It is, once again, hypocritical.
LegendxWind 7 months ago
@PissedPlayinPimp
I did show manners on your page, you were the one who did not show manners on mine. You did not agree with what I had to say, so you let me say my piece and then you deleted my comments. I never resorted to name calling and I was civil with you and you called me a "Fucking idiot", "stupid" told me to "go to hell" among many other unpleasantries. If you had only kept my comments on your page, you could try to prove me wrong, however your comments are still on my page as proof.
LegendxWind 7 months ago
@PissedPlayinPimp
Or perhaps I don't want to extend curtesy to someone who is rude and self righteous and will not show an iota of respect yet demand it full front? We covered everything I wanted to cover when you blocked me from your page following our discussion on the ALF. If you wish to continue that conversation, please feel free to message me as we are indeed spamming this persons comment section with our conversation, and it's rude of us.
LegendxWind 7 months ago
@PissedPlayinPimp
Once again, your hypocrisy rears its obvious head. Apologies for not extending my grace to someone who thinks of themself quite highly and wishes to be respected, and yet refers to my posts as intellectual osmosis. What do you what me to say? Sorry that I'm not going to let you redefine a word so it gives you a reason to erase any differentiating opinions from your own? How is everyone dumber from reading my post, please enlighten me I'm extremely curious.
LegendxWind 7 months ago
@PissedPlayinPimp
Perhaps your intellect isn't as impressive as you like to boast. I suggest you "google" the word spam and enlighten yourself on the definition. I was not spamming your page anymore than you were spamming mine, you just didn't wish to respond to/listen to what I was saying so you merely deleted my posts, blocked me and made some childish comment about how fast your delete key was so you wouldn't have to answer to me. Oh, is that a pun I see or just your sad attempt at one?
LegendxWind 7 months ago
@PissedPlayinPimp
You have got such a superiority complex,you remind me of a child with a pout and their arms crossed over their chest. "This argument is over when I SAY ITS OVER!" Hahaha temper tantrum tactics again? You seem like a blatant hypocrite since you say vegans and vegetarians act superior and yet here you are claiming that you are superior in intellect, which is laughable at best. This isn't your page baby boy, I can say whatever I want without you crying and deleting and blocking.
LegendxWind 7 months ago
@PissedPlayinPimp
And you stand by the ones who feed you the endless amounts of shit you're all too happy to consume and spread to other like minded sheeple.
LegendxWind 7 months ago
@PissedPlayinPimp
3 fucking weeks later you respond with this shit? Why am I not surprised?
LegendxWind 7 months ago
The evil support the strong and comfortable. The noble support the beaten, the weak, and the oppressed. Continue to eat the shit that animal abusing industries feed to you, you're their wet dream.
LegendxWind 8 months ago
hey guess what
animal testing only works on humans 20% of the time
learn something
animals are totured skinned alive
electrocuted
castrated without anesthetic
have toxins injected in their eyes anus and vaginas
learn somethingabout what happens here
the alf has NEVER harmed a human being only property
they have no body count these labs DO
1Grinspoon 8 months ago 2
@1Grinspoon the ALF's actions are extremely ruthless and show an appaling disregard for human rights, life and property. it is this agressive hostility and ruthlesness that marks them as criminals. it is only a matter of time until someone ends up being severly injured, if not killed "thanks" to their actions.
i am unable to see any difference at all between a guy skinning an animal alive or an ALF member. i despise both of them equally and so should anyone who honestly cares about animals.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass ??? I'm sorry but this is an extremely repulsive and disturbing comment, no rudeness implied. ALF has NO death count. Hurting property is nothing like skinning an animal alive. Sorry if I'm starting to be rude, but it is appalling that even someone with almost no regard for animal life would say something like this. It is disgusting. :/
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 oh, i can assure you that i have a very high regard for animals. however i am also a realist who sees the world as it really is. ALF may have no death count, but that is only a matter of time. eventually someone will draw the conclussion that the only way to stop people performing experiments on animals is killing them. perhaps they will set fire on a lab and "forget" the poor souls locked inside? or maybe do some suicide bombing, turn themselves into martyrs of their cause.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass No, you clearly have a misunderstanding of what the A.L.F. is. Please allow me to explain. The A.L.F. has a code that one must follow in order to have their actions accepted on part of the A.L.F. One of these is that no life must be taken. This makes it literally impossible for the A.L.F. to kill anyone. Destroying buildings is enough to stop experiments. A.L.F. has been in operation for decades, so if they would've killed somebody, it would've been done by now.
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 and this is where the problem is. destroying buildings is a enough to stop experiments? well guess what, destroying buildings is also a good way to get people killed. the prime example of how easily people can be killed by destroying buildings would probably be 09.11. destroying a building is a crime and there is no justification for using clearly criminal and terroristic tactics to achieve your goals. that is just as wrong as the experiments on live animals.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass You seem not to be understanding what I write. The A.L.F. are extremely well-informed. They know the work schedule of everyone employed at their target building, and only enter once everyone has left. They then rescue the helpless prisoners and destroy the building. It is not just as wrong, as it does not involve the ending or harming of life.
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 oh i understand very well what you write. i understand that you are perfectly fine with using criminal, terroristical means paired with the subtle use of fear and intimidation to achieve your goals. you are ALF, aren't you? why else would you defend these criminals as much? blowing up a building is when you start taking things to far. there's a line in caring for animals somewhere along the road and destroying buildings is more than just crossing it.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass The A.L.F. destroy buildings to ensure the murderous fools do not simply restock on prisoners, but instead lose the building completely or have it made useless. This way, economical damage will hopefully put them out of business, but moreover, a stronghold for these murderers is destroyed, its innocent captives rescued. I assure you I am not A.L.F.; I would've referred to them in first person plural and, moreover, I'm much too young.
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 destroying buildings, regardless of the circumstances, is wrong. this isn't some hollywood blockbuster movie where you can fight crime with crime and end up making right. the real world doesn't work this way. there are legal and lawful alternatives to destroying places, which are the only right ones to use. sneaking inside a building in the middle of the night with the intention of destroying it isn't one. it's an illegal, unlawful and willfull act of vile evil. nothing more.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass Why is it evil? It hurts nobody and saves hundreds. Would you destroy a building to save a life? Even if you figure you're not the one whose taking the lives, you can't really blame the people who WOULD choose to destroy the building, now can you? America, if that's where you live at least, has bullshit laws (excuse my language). Just because its law doesn't make it right. I feel its murder to kill animals but its not against the law, is it? Law is out of the question in ethics.
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 huh... in a morbid sort of way, its kind of funny. questions like "why is it evil to blow up a building?" and lines like "law is out of the question in ethics" are things i expect to read from a sociopath. well, i suppose all sociopaths start young. i'm sure that Anders Behring Breivik said something like that too, as he detonated a bomb to kill 7 people and then shot about 86 teenagers between 14-19 years old in norway just a few short days ago.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@marekiller8 tell you what. you want to know and find out why blowing up a building is evil? do a little research. try to find a victim. someone who has worked him or herself at a building that got targeted by the ALF that either got destroyed or suffered heavy vandalism by ALF members. have a talk with him or her and ask them a little about how they feel about the whole thing. their point of view. perhaps then you will understand why its evil. how about that?
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@marekiller8 oh, and before i forget it... please do me a favor. don't bother replying anymore because i sure as hell won't. as for as i am concerned, this discussion is over. i've read more than enough, more than i wanted or liked to and i decided that i got much better things to do in my very valuable free time than wasting it by trying to reason with a fanatic with sociopathic tendencies.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass Well good bye then. That was actually a rather rude farewell form someone I've been nice to during the whole conversation. So here's mine: Go Google your shit or fuck your smart-ass self, you burnt corpse-munching, arrogant, ignorant, ill-informed, unethical, immoral piece of shit bastard jack ass cunt. :)
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 the ALF hurts property. hurting property includes acts such as setting fires and building bombs. if you are setting a fire and building a bomb, you are also are willingly accepting the risk of getting someone killed. "oh, but they only trash the place" you may reply. well, maybe one of those idiots smashes open the wrong valve and the lab slowly fills with toxic gas that harms or kills the people when they go to work the next day. is that still OK with you?
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass A.L.F. is extremely well informed on what they are doing and how. They make very sophisticated and concise plans and execute them flawlessly (otherwise, again, it would not be regarded as an A.L.F. action, as they are non-violent). Now there is a group called the Animal Rights Militia who use violence including bombs and death threats. Although I support their cause I don't support their action, although they do have a pretty good philosophy called extensional self-defense.
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 on a side note... whoever came up with Animal Right Militia, awesome dude! now if anyone is getting hurt or even killed during one of ALF's action, the ALF can say "that was so totally not us, that's them Militia guys". the perfect scapegoat.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass The A.R.M. are a solid group that I believe one must apply to join. They are much more of a community than A.L.F., namely because they have fewer members so its easier. Because of this, an animal rights activist trying to perform an action cannot be labeled A.R.M. at will, but must actually be a part of the group. The A.L.F. is different; any animal rights activist rescuing animals in a non-violent manner can be labelled A.L.F.
marekiller8 7 months ago
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@1Grinspoon the ALF's actions are extremely ruthless and show an appaling disregard for human rights, life and property. it is this agressive hostility and ruthlesness that marks them as criminals. it is only a matter of time until someone ends up being severly injured, if not killed "thanks" to their actions.
i am unable to see any difference at all between a guy skinning an animal alive or an ALF member. i despise both of them equally and so should anyone who honestly cares about animals.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
hey guess what
animal testing only works on humans 20% of the time
learn something
animals are totured skinned alive
electrocuted
castrated without anesthetic
have toxins injected in their eyes anus and vaginas
learn somethingabout what happens here
1Grinspoon 8 months ago 2
RageNrock, fuck you you ignorant bastard. Your one of the many people who has no idea what theyre talking about because you get force fed by the government. "wake up america"? if anyone needs to wake its you comparing the ALF to adolf hitler is the most offensive ignorant thing you can do you are one of the most un educated human beings i have met
ZEMUZALANDMCSL 8 months ago
@Epicnerdgasm Lol. This is the thing that makes me laugh about most humans. Why is it any different? I can compare killing an ant to killing a chipmunk but you wouldn't say anything; why would you just because I happened to compare the most destructive species on Earth, humans? Get a grasp of philosophy and ethics. Unless you can prove animals don't experience life and consciousness, you must treat them as if they did.
marekiller8 9 months ago
@Epicnerdgasm Grow some morally-justified-logic-inducing brain segments.
marekiller8 9 months ago
@Epicnerdgasm Well I guess I should go give my respectable mother the feeling of a knife slitting her throat. By your logic, it makes perfect sense. Corpse munching fat asses. Killing is wrong and that's that, you fucker.
marekiller8 9 months ago
@marekiller8 killing is also a natural part of life and nature. a crocodile is a predator, a carnivore. that means meat eater. crocodile attack and kill other animals and then eat them. that's how they survive, the natural way of life. so... no, there is nothing wrong in killing an animal if you intend to eat it. its just a natural part of life. whethever you look at crocodiles, wolves, sharks, lions, tigers, bears, eagles, snakes... they are all carnivore predators who kill to eat and survive.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass This would be a lot more fitting an argument if humans were actually natural vegetarians. We can argue this ceaselessly, but overall, all that matters is the fact we can live just as well (actually better, as vegetarians/vegans live longer and healthier lives) without eating sentient beings. Can a crocodile do the same? No. Even if we couldn't survive properly without murder, killing can never be justified (apart from euthanasia), even if it is performed by a lion.
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 and this is were you are wrong. you cannot live longer or better for being a vegan, you "just" can live as good. the believe that meat is not healthy is common amongst radical vegans who try to enforce their believes on others, but it is a wrong one. as for your other comment... well, next time you see a lion catching an antilope to feed itself and its youn, you're welcome to walk up to it and reprimand it. you're even welcome to try and arrest it for first degree murder.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass Meat is extremely unhealthy! This is scientific, biological, whatever-you-wanna-call-it FACT! Sorry about the excitement, but even from a "neutral" view it will always be true. This is the exact reason veganism is so popular among health-addicts, and even Bill Gates has been vegan for a while now due to heart complications while he was eating meat (and is now much healthier). Meat also leaves people susceptible to over 400 diseases, Mad Cow being just one.
marekiller8 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass It is unreasonable and irrational to try to ask a lion to try and become morally fair. They also have a much greater excuse than us, but overall, it is still murder whatsoever. Arresting anyone does nothing; it is simply violence against violence (as Gandhi would say; and just to add, the lion wouldn't understand the arrest). Personally, if I was ever arrested for activism in the so-called land of free speech, I would starve myself, but anyways, I hope you see my point. :D
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 killing an animal to feed yourself, your family or your tribe is simply not murder, claiming otherwise only shows that you have no understanding about what defines actual "murder". your "point" as you call it is one of utmost naivity and only shows very clearly that you have lived your entire live in a cradle of modern society where you got spoon fed pretty much everything without having you actively do something for it.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass Of course this is true; I was raised like most people in the world without having to earn my food. However, this is not something I volunteered for. I would much rather have lived in a tribal society, as I really prefer nature to technology. Here is something your statement also displays as morally correct: cannibalism. Many tribes, such as those in Papua New Guinea and the Amazon, kill others for food. This is surely not wrong, seeing as they are sustaining themselves?
marekiller8 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass Also, in case you think I am being inconsiderate by simply assuming everyone can adopt a morally acceptable diet, it is my viable belief that if one can access the internet, they can eat some vegetation at least weekly. Simply increase this intake. I don't see any evident problems, but you're more then welcome to point out the ones you spot.
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 yeah well, here is the thing that bugs me. why is eating a salad morally acceptable, but eating a steak is not morally acceptable?
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass This is because plants are not sentient, i.e. they do not feel suffering in any form. Suffering is a natural mechanism that works to make animals aware they are in a dangerous situation, but it is also a moral indicator as to what species are "worth" saving. Animals can be hurt (whether emotionally or physically) and thus should not be killed, which is why we shouldn't kill humans either. Plants can't feel pain as they would find no natural use for it (as they can't move much).
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 yes yes, that truly is a fancy schmancy philosophy. however the reality is a different one. we need to eat animals to survive. much like predators need to eat animals to survive.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass Yes, I see your point, but its really more based on the situation. In an average situation, I think meat is not necessary to survival at all, and we could all live a better life by resisting from eating meat. Meat is unnecessary, and any beneficial supplements that can be found in meat have plant-derived substitutes (supplements) in your local pharmacy. Even without these, you still live a longer, healthier life without meat. continued in next comment
marekiller8 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass cont. Now, in a more tight situation, meat might seem morally acceptable as a possibility. However, it is basically forcing someone to give you something, but not just anything- the biggest thing they could possibly give. You are forcing them to give you their life so that you can survive. I personally find this greedy, and so I would die before I consumed meat. I hope you see my point and look into vegetarianism a little. :D
marekiller8 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass cont. Now, in a more tight situation, meat might seem morally acceptable as a possibility. However, it is basically forcing someone to give you something, but not just anything- the biggest thing they could possibly give. You are forcing them to give you their life so that you can survive. I personally find this greedy, and so I would die before I consumed meat. I hope you see my point and look into vegetarianism a little. :D
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 there is nothing wrong or bad about consuming meat and killing the animal to obtain it. like it or not, this is how life, nature and the world works. and it is a good thing too for its a vital mechanism to keep nature and its eco-system, that we need to survive by the way, in balance. to call it "greedy" is a statement born of delusional ignorance, which in turn was caused by a severe lack of understanding.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass I agree, it is natural by all means (killing, that is). But when one has surpassed nature they must look down and see whether it is really right. It may just as well be natural to be cannibalistic, but it is shunned upon as wrong. I agree that it is wrong, but so is killing of any sentient being. What it comes down to is a question of why we value humans above animals in moral considerations. Unless we can explain this, we are at a loss. :)
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 are you seriously so arrogant that you would consider yourself having "surpassed nature" as you put it? as to your question, it is simple to answer. we value humans above other animals because they are... well, humans. because we are the same species. kin, clan, tribe, pack, family, whatever you want to call it. we humans are very social, which is why we tend to socialise with one another. live in families, cities, nations etc. so naturaly, we tend to stick together. easy as that.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass I see what you're trying to say. i'm not being arrogant; humans, with their technological advances, have indeed surpassed nature's abilities. They could destroy nature if they wanted to, and they have enough power to overcome nearly anything due to their engineering capabilities. However, I didn't say they were superior to nature. I simply said they have overpowered it, which is true. Earth is at our mercy. continued...
marekiller8 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass cont. Now, about why we value humans more, I was honestly looking more for a logical, moral answer than a literal one. I want to know whether its really correct to go ahead and say we should respect humans more because they are our species, as the same argument can be applied to racism or sexism. Sure, you can argue that species are farther apart than genders within them, but then we ask this: where is the splitting point of moral acceptability (gender, species, etc.), and why?
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 you will find no "moral" answer because a moral answer does not exist per say unless you make one up by yourself. morality is something entirely human based and everyone makes his own morality up by himself, out of free will or through means of indoctrination. with vegans, its usually indoctrination. as for the "logic" part, well... those are your basic, primal instincts speaking there, the same ones that drive us like any other species too. logical enough for me.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass Indoctrination, eh? I doubt so; look up great vegans like Peter Singer. I've never met or seen or heard of an indoctrinated vegan; I, for one, have developed all my ideas myself starting at age 12 (everything was developed by the age of 13). It is more common for the majority of humans to be indoctrinated, as most (I should say all) thoughts about respect for humanity and disrespect for animals are brainwashed onto people, starting from children. continued...
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 yes indoctrination and no, you have not developed all your ideas of your own. you have been brainwashed somewhere along the way, otherwise you wouldn't spout bullshit like that subtle hint that meat might be bad for you and you'd live much better going for a vegan style of life. that is simply not true, a hollow lie that cannot be backed up and something a lot of militant vegans use to try and force their believe on others.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass This is simply not true, as I don't eat meat for ethical purposes rather than for healthy living. These are assuredly not lies. It is backed by surveys conducted on vegetarian/vegan and meat-eating populations. It is also biologically undeniable; all meat has the same amount of LCD cholesterol and fat (as a ratio), and this is biologically factual. You can research meat online; even a non-biased website will back my claims.
marekiller8 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass cont. Logical, but not in proximity with morality and ethics (which are synonymous, by the way). Morality, I agree, can be subjective, but only with the common goal. Morality with the same rule or goal can be, in fact, objective through logical means (this is why physics/logic and ethics/morality are very tightly connected). My morality's "rule" is that one should not cause pain or suffering to a sentient being, as you are taking a worthwhile life from them or degrading it.
marekiller8 7 months ago
@marekiller8 technically, that is correct. however, taking the life of an animal because you intend to eat it is not degrading them. yes, you are taking something worthwhile from them, their life. then again, by doing so you most likely end up feeding yourself and your family which helps you survive. there is nothing wrong with that and like or not, but this happens to be how the world works too.
Timberwolftrass 7 months ago
@Timberwolftrass I see your point of taking form one to give to the other, but all in all, you are forcefully taking, which is wrong to begin with. Why is it better for the humans to live well than it is for the cow to live at all? Also, we encounter another problem. The humans do not need the cow's death to survive, as there other alternatives, as I've brought up before. Your point may have been more valid if eating meat was the lone option. Hope you're seeing the way I think. :)
marekiller8 7 months ago
When people fought for the rights of blacks, the majority shunned Africans. When women fought to be treated as equal, they were scoffed upon. When people struggled for Jews to be freed, they met resistance. People fighting for animals are called lunatics, terrorists, extremists, psychopaths, by most of the Earth. But guess what? Blacks are now accepted as people who are just as good as the rest. Women are given the same rights as men. Nazis are no longer reigning. What's missing?
marekiller8 9 months ago
Bloody beautiful video mate!!!! Keep em comming!!!!!
BornInBlood001 10 months ago
Great video. Peta is evil. Don't buy their propaganda.
discoverytime1 10 months ago
Great video!! No point in arguing with an ARA, they dont use common sense and offer only twisted logic at best. Keep up the good work and get the message out. we need to educate people about the kinds of idiots that support ALF and peta.
maxbassin 10 months ago
@maxbassin If I could do things all over I would of just been an underground person, an ALF person. Because, after all, UCLA pulled a cover up on me after they smashed me at the public university while asking why they refuse to debate what they claim is helping human beings. There are so many informents and agents in the movement that do illegal work against acitivists. So go ALF, go, go go!!! Expose the heartless pieces of shit that take tax money to do nothing but torture animals.
corycatlady 10 months ago
@corycatlady You're no better than they are. as a matter of fact you're worse.
maxbassin 6 months ago
@maxbassin Im bad ass, that's for sure. Check out the lawsuit I represented myself in against UCLA scum bag vivisectors. It took me 3 years and I did the trial myself. The greatest achievement I acomplished in my life. Look at the loser informent that pulled a cover up on me, what an idiot.
Go to myspace look under uclacoverup (UCLA COVER UP).
Cory
corycatlady 6 months ago
@corycatlady I am totataly against people who protest animal testing, I have a 10 yr old son who has had type 1 diabetes since he was 18 months old. Insulin would not exist if it were not for animal testing on dog's. To protest animal testing is the same as wanting my son dead! Hope you're proud,
maxbassin 6 months ago
Respond to this video... I'm totally against people who protest animal testing. I have a 10 yr old son who has had type 1 diabetes since he was 18 months old, And yes he is a straight A student. He is alive because of Insulin which was discovered by animal testing on dog's. To protest animal testing.... is the same as wanting my son dead! I hope you're proud of you're self. I'll kill before my son dies.
maxbassin 6 months ago
@maxbassin Wow maxmassin, are you threatening MY life or other DEMONSTRATORS? I am all for medical progress. That is part of the reason I have devoted my life to exposing animal experimentation. I am not here to debate you, there are medical doctors against vivisection available for that. UCLA refused my offer to drop a lawsuit if they would debate animal experimenation. I was smashed into a UCLA wall for asking why the university refuses to debate what they claim saves human lives.
corycatlady 6 months ago
@corycatlady Why would they (UCLA) waste their time on someone so obviously delusional? If you want to sue them. Take them to court! Nothing is stopping you...
Except your own knowledge that you have NO case, and the only result of you taking them to court will be you wasting your money, and then enduring a countersuit that will cost you everything you have.
"I am not here to debate you" It is a good thing, because you have already lost.
USSBN734 4 months ago
@USSBN734 I represented myself in a lawsuit in 2006. My jury trial lasted 4 and half days and started on Halloween 2006. I offered to drop my lawsuit early on at the mediation conference if UCLA would debate animal experimentation with a MD opposed but UCLA refused my offer and spent 3 years fighting me. I did not have the money for a lawyer, if I did I probably would of won. Unfortunately, UCLA and an informent/agent had the evidence film edited. See my evidence of the UCLA Cover Up at myspace.
corycatlady 4 months ago
@max Why shouldn't your son have a cure tested on him? With enough medical precautions, your son could be the one to find a good cure and that would NOT sacrifice your son or animals. And killing before your son dies.. Do you know how hypocritical that is? You sound like a murderous mother bear. The sad thing is a bear would be euthanized be you'd just get 10 years in prison. There is more to life than just you and your son. If you were one of the animals being tested on, you'd feel differently.
vgman94 5 months ago
@Epicnerdgasm If you think vegans are pussies then you must be mentally ill yourself.
corycatlady 10 months ago
@corycatlady To be fair, I must admit that I have met some people that have been vegan for 30 plus years and have never even been to one demonstration their entire lives. Many of those people will flat out admit they don't give a shit about animals and only care about their artieries and don't want heart disease, etc. Those folks are weak individuals, pussies I would say. Now other vegans that go out and get active, now that's no vegan pussy! Go ALF!
corycatlady 10 months ago
@corycatlady no of course im not calling you a "pussy"! That's just what most of these inbred, trailer trash, anti-ALF/PETA lowlifes think of activists. You are a hero my friend! Much love to ALF and any group fighting for animal rights!!
MrSnitchkilla187 11 months ago
@MrSnitchkilla187 Thanks so much MrSnitchKilla! I hope you check out the snithes on my myspace page, it's so obvious and shows how stupid a lot of them are! They are arrogant and we all know that arrogance is what got Custard killed. One snitch even admitted to me she is a snitch and said, "What are you going to do about it?" Now she has a restraining order against me for singing a song to her on her machine even though I never threatened her. One currupt agent has matching photos,1991 and 2008.
corycatlady 11 months ago
@MrSnitchkilla187 Thanks for standing up against torture to animals. Be sure to watch that snitch/informent/agent Jerry Vlasak with UCLA monkey torturer Dadid Jentz, channel 7 news at 11 pm on Thursday, April 7. Vlasak defended the informent/agent shown in the 1991 article on snitches and the 2008 photos shown on myspace page (link on my utube page). "Vijay was in the military before." Vlasak's desperate attempt to protect another snitch & crook.
corycatlady 10 months ago
Meat is murder, meat is death! Free the animals ALF!
AirSLAMAir 11 months ago
@AirSLAMAir YOU SHUT UP!!!
NinjaGhostScorpion 11 months ago
This is some of the dumbest shit I've seen on YouTube! How fucking retarded do you have to be to call an organization who saves animals from suffering, "terrorists"?!?! I hope I meet one of these spineless little faggot anti-ALF lowlifes one day. Unlike Alf/PETA, I AM extremely violent! And there's nothing in the world I love more than hurting people who hurt animals!! Not all animal activists are anti-violence vegan pussies.
MrSnitchkilla187 11 months ago
@MrSnitchkilla187 I hope you are not calling me a pussy. I spent 3 years representing myself, did a trial against UCLA vivisectors because every animal rights lawyer I went to wanted money to do the trial even after 3 years of work was done for them. I sure as hell ain't no pussy when you think about these facts. Some activists may not advocate violence but that doens't mean they don't love the ALF. Mrsnitchkilla, please don't kill anyone because that's against the ALF guidelines.
corycatlady 11 months ago
"How fucking retarded do you have to be to call an organization who saves animals from suffering, "terrorists"?!?"
It is all a matter of point of view, not retardation or lack thereove.
Good luck with that.
travelsonic 10 months ago
Pacplayer, to view some animal experimentation film footage you can find some on my myspace page where you will also see evidence of a cover up UCLA pulled on me while I was asking them why they refuse to debate what they claim is helping human beings. The government REALLY hates people like me because I am non violent and had violence done to me. UCLA smashed me into a wall and then edited the film though a currupt agent uclacoverup. Next, YOUR rights will be taken and abused.
corycatlady 11 months ago
ALF ARE NOT TERRORISTS BUT HEROS FOR THE VOICELESS
TempestHeartsdale 1 year ago
@TempestHeartsdale
I'm sure the Taliban are heroes too
TheChoujinVirus 1 year ago
@RageNrock If you knew anything at all, you'd know PETA is for civil disobedience and the ALF is for direct action. That's what classifies PETA as an organisation and ALF as "terrorists." So get your facts straight before making videos that make you look ignorant. And the ALF are heroes. They're rescuing defenseless, sentient beings from the ignorant, raping clutches of man. They have never hurt a living being, so you can't call them terrorists. Terrorists harm people.
thebestusername1616 1 year ago
@thebestusername1616
so spreading fear to scientists and vivisectionists don't cause harm? Stalking their family doesn't call distress?
A Terrorist doesn't need to spill blood to spread terror
TheChoujinVirus 1 year ago
Peta are a pittyful excuse of an animal rights organisation. Peta say that know one should eat meat. well children do you cant give a child suppliments. secondly peta euthanised 21,000 animals over a 6 year peroid. As well as this peta are honestly saying that a child and a mouse has the same worth in life. Finally peta have funded terroist organisations siuch as the ALF.. who have desocrated animal testing facilities. if people want good for animals join the wwf not this excuse.
hollandiam1 1 year ago
GO ALF! :D Im on their teams. Not you retards'.
Seriously, if it wasnt for the alf, this country would suck even more.
GO Alf FOREVER, YOU"RE HEROS :D
wendyXpeggyXpancho 1 year ago 3
@wendyXpeggyXpancho
then why are you posting on an Anti-ALF video?
TheChoujinVirus 1 year ago
@TheChoujinVirus, It never said that this was an anti-alf video. It said that they're terrorists... oyeah... btw... who's the terrorist... the people saving the lifes (of animals) or the one's making the animal's live they're lives in fear.... derp.