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  • Up to 1950, no-one called Dresen a war crime. The first person to do so was President Walter Ulbricht after the closure of the roads to Berlin in the Ostzone. Ulbricht was trying to gain favour in the DDR by accusing the Allies of war crimes – he made no mention of the rape of women in Berlin by Russian soldiers – only the horrible Allies – it was the Allies who saved Berlin from starvation and Germany and Europe from Nazi domination. Learn history – don’t just soak up propaganda.

  • Civilians who supply men and materials in a war makes themselves legitimate targets. Dresden was the HQ of the NAZI party and manufactured tank electronics and poison gar (Chemische Fabrik Goye). When Dresden was bombed, Hitler still controlled most of Germany and the death camps were still operating at maximum capacity. The blame for Dresden rests with German generals who continued to fight a war they knew they could not win, sentencing thousands of soldiers and civilians to certain death..

  • Scheiß Engländerschweine.

  • Ain't war hell?

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  • Important history that should not be forgotten. Those who chose to forget or learn from it will repeat their mistakes.

  • @geneel169 These mistakes have been repeated many times after the ww2.

    The firebombings of civilians were crimes, no matter which side committed them. They violated all international agreements ratified, signed and agreed upon. The terror bombing was legalized by euphemistic terms like "strategic bombing" to sell it to the greater public in an odourless package.

  • @TheMrPangloss You seem to flagged so fast these days. Its almost as though everyone but your clone mini Pangloss are sick of your lies. Lets hear the one about how England and the USA started the war and bankrolled Hitler. I have a split screen going with some other science fiction as well.

  • Dresden is simply one of many beautiful cities destroyed by bombing in WW2. The fashion was started in Sept 1939 when the Luftwaffe destroyed Warsaw killing ten times more people that were killed in Dresden. Dresdeners always turned out in their hundreds of thousands to scream "Sieg Heil" when their beloved Fuehrer visited them. They only become peace-loving anti-war enthusiasts when the bombs started falling on them.

  • @eddie123e Your comment shows just what a prick you are.

  • @eddie123e You hit it right on the mark.

  • @eddie123e

    Stupid post, learn about history......

  • @ruhri0411 I don;t have to learn about WW2 for history. I lived through it. What point in my post was 'stupid' in your view?

  • @eddie123e

    The innocent children, the beautiful baroque city, they didn't scream for hitler.

    The air raid is recognized as an allied war crime , no doubt about it!

    No one of the citizens of Dresden in the film blamed the pilots and the crewmen for dropping the bombs on their head. You said they deserved it just for screaming "Heil Hitler". This is stupid

    The war was allmost over and the air raid on Dresden was a cheap revenge,

    like kicking a defeated opponent in the stomach.

  • @ruhri0411 Dresden children were no more innocent than the children in Warsaw, Rotterdam, London. Guenica , Stalingrad, Dachau, Buchenwald, Belsen, Auschwitz etc 'Almost over? Germans controlled most of Germany and refused to surrender - the Allies had not crossed the Rhine or Oder. V2 rockets were still falling on London. Slave labourers were still dying in Mittellbau-Dora making the rockets and poison gas was still being made in Chemische Fabrik Goye in Dresden. Truth hurts Nicht wahr?

  • @eddie123e

    I condemn the nazi crimes and there is NO apologize for what they've done. I'm glad that the Nazis had lost the war, I don't wan't to imagine a world where the nazis had won the war. The allies liberated Europe and at the end Germany from the nazi scum.

    In Feb. 45 Germany was a defeated country with no chance to fight back.

  • @eddie123e

    Part 2:

    The allies occupied the Reich territory in just 85 days from mid feb, to May.

    The air raid on the old baroque city centre of Dresden had NO effect on the war, no V2 was stopped on the way to London, it was just an act of revenge and punishment! Butcher Harris had better done to destroy military targets like oil supply or railways

    Btw, the impact on military targets during the Dresden air raids were insignificant.....

  • @ruhri0411 The Luftwaffe that started city bombing campaign in 1939 killing ten times more than were killed in Dresden. Dresden was destroyed because the German army refused to surrender so condemning thousands of Germans and Allied soldiers to an unnecessay death. Of course a better solution would have been not to have started a war in the first place. 'Wollt Ihr den total Krief? Wollt ihr ihn, wenn nötig, totaler und radikaler, als wir ihn uns heute überhaupt erst vorstellen können?

  • @eddie123e Research objectively and you will find there were valid reasons for the Germans not to surrender.

    The most crucial was the rule of war which states that upon surrender all citizens must immediately cease all movement regardless of military involvement. To put it in simple terms the Nazi leadership wanted to give as much opportunity as possible for their citizens to avoid the death sentence that was Soviet captivity. The event was truly a mass exodus west

  • @seaeaglechamp I have no need of such research. I lived through the event. Certainly the Wehrmacht and the SS were terrified of surrendering the Russians and with very good reason. They knew what horrors they had inflicted on defenseless Russian civilians (Einsatzgruppen etc) Apart from the rape of Berlin women over a relatively short period, Russians treated German civilians reasonably fairly in the circumstances. German soldiers were treated almost as badly as they had been treated,.

  • @seaeaglechamp I lived in Germany from 1945 to 1953. My girlfriend's father was a POW in Russia and was one of the few that returned in 1949. German generals bear the blame for continuing a war they knew they could not win. Their cowardice caused thousands of needless deaths of civilian and soldiers on both sides not to mention the slaughter in the death camps which continued until Liberation. Only Friedrich Von Paulus had the courage to surrender and he is still branded a coward by Germans

  • @eddie123e YOU ARE A FRAUD !!! Every so often some clown attempts to pass off fantasy as fact. Before you attempt to pass your self off as an 80yr old worldly intellect I suggest you study linguistics.

    your tired opinions have been repeated for 70 years by anyone with an agenda whilst to state otherwise can result in loss of freedom depending on national laws.

  • @seaeaglechamp I'm a few years older than 80! I moved to Duesseldorf in June 1945 and lived there 'auf der Bachstrasse' for about 9 years. The popular music of the time was 'Du schwarzer Zigeuner', 'Capri Fisher', ' Tango Max', 'Wenn das Wasser im Rhein goldner Wein waer' I visited Bergen Belsen, staying the former Germany army barracks nearby in Bergen Hohne, still there. In that period was the Berlin Airlift and we had to pay 2 Pfennigs on every letter we posted called 'Notopfer Berlin'

  • @eddie123e How old were you in 1939?

  • @seaeaglechamp Fraud he is. No doubt.

  • @seaeaglechamp "The most crucial was the rule of war which states that upon surrender all citizens must immediately cease all movement" That's a lame excuse - to suggest that the Nazi leadership gave a damn about civilian lives shows how little you understand your own history. Hitler himself claimed that the German people could die because they did not deserve a leader such as him. He was right in that respect. They did not deserve him or Goebbels or der dicke Herman.who all chose suicide..

  • @eddie123e "That's a lame excuse" That has a modern ring to it, so your 90 then pops?

  • @ruhri0411 When you sow the wind. You reap the whirlwind. In thsi case the 'whirlwind was reaped by unfortunate Dresdeners who were scarificed by the Wehrmacht because, knowing what they had done in Russia, they were terrified of surrendering to Russians. Knowing also what the Einsatzgruppen had done and what had gone on the death camps, they knew what they deserved from the Russians. The reality is the Russians were much kinder to Germans then Germans were to Russians.

  • @ruhri0411 Btw, the impact on military targets during the Dresden air raids were insignificant. That's certainly true but the impact on German morale was massive and certainly contributed to the rapid collapse of the remaining Wehrnmacht and SS Divisions ..

  • @eddie123e

    Certainely the impact on the moral of the Germany was significant, but the air raids had NO impact on Hitler and his henchmen. They were sitting in their well protected shelters during the air raids.

    I guess you know ordinary people at this time in Nazi Germany had no chance to change the political system. No freedom of speech, no free press, nothing. Hitler and his henchmen were heavily protected, 15 attempts to kill the beast failed, as you know!

  • @ruhri0411 Thats true - they appointed Hitler by choice - they sewed the wind and reaped the whirlwind. The Tunisians- the Libyians - the Egytians took up arms against their dictators and were willing to pay the price. The cowardice of German generals is reponsible for Dresden and we Europeans, including Germans, paid the price. I walked among the death pits in Bergen Belsen in June 1945. These people did not vote for Hitler. Don't tell me I should learn my history.

  • @eddie123e "Thats true - they appointed Hitler by choice - they sewed the wind and reaped the whirlwind."

    Firstly, Hitler got 40% in 1933. That is much but 60% were not for him.

    Secondly, Hitler was NOMINATED, NOT ELECTED, FOR PRESIDENT.

    Thirdly, Hitler DECLARED HIMSELF DICTATOR.

    And lastly, Hitler ARRANGED THE FIRE OF REICHSTAG, to demolish the civil rights of German civilians.

    In short, IT WAS A COUP AGAINST DEMOCRACY. You cannot blame an entire nation for this misfortune.

  • @eddie123e "Thats true - they appointed Hitler by choice - they sewed the wind and reaped the whirlwind."

    This is PROPAGANDA the purpose of which is to justify the extensive ENGLISH war crime implemented by the RAF Bomber Command.

  • @TheMrPangloss Here you are spreading lies again.

    You know this war ended a few generations ago right?

  • @eddie123e I've been to both of those cities and in looked to me that Dresden has been rebuilt in a way Warsaw never could.

  • Achtung! Achtung, hier ist der Befehlstand der ersten Flakdivision Berlin. Die gemeldete Bomberverbände befinden sich in Raum Leipzig. Wir kommen wieder

  • Pangloss Nazi Cock Sucker

  • HE HE destroy German city Germans have no doubt to killing woman and children they be punished certainly

  • @eddie123e ANY POS who thinks the TRUTH is to be flagged as spam MUST be a Khazar d*** suckin worm ! ! !

  • @TheDrillerdoug The truth can be anything you want it to be and its very obvious what you want it to be. I walked among the death pits in Bergen Belsen before they were tided up and neat little stone walls built around them. Did you know that after the villagers in Bergen Belsen were obliged to walk through the camp before the pits were covered over, the Mayor of Belsen committed suicide. The trick is not to live in the past but to learn from it and move on. Most Germans have.

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