I find aesthetic-centricism of this quite disturbing. While I understand physical appeal matters, it's limited. Certainly, it can capture someone's attention, but it can't hold it and it certainly won't make someone truly love YOU. IF that were the case, the divorce rate in the US would be far lower. Transforming one's self for the sake of stereotypical appeal is silly. Not all men like the same things. Compatibility and personality are key.
Really like this video. It's pragmatic and solution oriented. People focus too much on group dynamics versus indiv choices, which vary from person to person. IMHO I think some ppl get to caught up in wallowing in pity that they won't actually do what needs to be done to...well..win!
i never cared about with john mayor said i think he looks like a crack head lol his opinion doesnt matter and there are plenty of men that find me attractive
Wow that was great! Really sensible but not hurtful. Be what men want (to a degree of course, don't go sleeping with them immediately or something) and then you will get someone. Take a look at yourself and improve.
why doesn't hollywood gets a buff asian confident man and dark pretty, fine black girl in hollywood put them in a interacial love scene with 3 different actors and people would get brainwashed to like asian men and black woman.
Just like everyone else i have some hangups in life, but being confident that I am an attractive dark brown woman isn't and have never been one of them. I've always been weight concious and have taken care of myself. I naturally have a sweet natural laid back personality. But i do know when to speak up for myself. The reality is, I seem to attract non-blk men more so than ....BW what you don't have naturally work on it-then u can hopefully attract the right man.
What this woman is saying is all common sense and general knowledge that MOST ppl know on their own. It's kind of sad that she has to make videos to explain this to a sad bunch of you all.
I agree. WTH do bw care if other races find them attractive? BW, bm go through the same stuff. A spanish and a ww told me I look good for a bm, That shit doesn't bother me. Screw them if there not attracted to us.
Its not the same thing being a man. Women are objectified in the media to a greater extent then men are. The beauty standard is used against all women, so its not surprising that most women will have body image issues-especially BW. So even though that Spanish W was a bigot, the beauty standard is a lot harsher on BW then BM so that's why you don't care as much.
The moral of the message is make the most of what you've got and learn to accept yourself.
I think its daft to take all the negativity surrounding black women to heart-especially as its nothing new. And Black women still get married,still lead lives. Just take no notice of these men who say these things. Because most of the time these other 'races'/black men who DO make these comments are only exposing their internalized racism or racist views. Don't mind them. Life is too brief .
the irony of these subjective, highly socialized concepts of racialized beauty (with their, in general, stigmatization of black images) is that ALL modern humans are the descendants of migratory BLACK African peoples. Considering hat fact, "race' is ultimately a social concept; i.e., biologically there are no scientifically discernible distinctions in cognitive capability or physiological functions among all the "races". I strongly recommend the work, "Race Myth", by Prof. Joseph Graves.
I think we should not generalize. Although I am not a big fan of interracial dating given were only 13% of the U.S population, there are ALOT of videos about black women with nonblack men....check them out...they are there.
I agree that most men like women who are in shape but disagree that black women need to focus on having "long hair" and being themselves to get a man. I don't have long hair...actually natural hair and I am aggressive...not verbally abusive...and I have 2 masters degrees which I don't brag about but don't hide neither...I'm not going to "dumb down" to make myself more attractive. I have not had problems in the dating arena...
the blk man has been subjugated & now almalgamated in2 the wht mans Empire so blk women cant b seen as the standard of beauty wherever she may b found because YOUR MEN R NOT IN POWER at this time. It is not bcuz u aint the SHIT, cuz u r but the blk man nos 2 allow u 2 b on equal terms with wht women is 2 challenge the wht mans ALPHA MALE status & power which could get lynching cranked up again. so while white women can b openly worshiped collectively blk women can only b appreciated individually
What do you see white and asian women doing to themselves? They are getting chemical tans and getting their asses lifted thickoning their lips need I go on. Hell they wish they were you black women I mean look around you they have commercials that sale panties with cushion in them to make them appear they have big asses so who is copying who? Black women all women have problems not just you trust me im a black man and I have dated outside my race I know. 2
You know blacks spend way to much time worrying about what others think of them. Just stop and think for a second why is their so much talk on black people? Because they envy you thats why if they really thought you were unattractive they wouldn't bother with you in any way. Black women are the most attractive women in the world and I can proove it every woman of every race always tries to copy black women. 1
why r u keep implying that u speak for one group. I guess if all u got is a ged equviance (good4u)..... the problem is when some one figure it out.... he/she will see u as a racial person..... give it up... i bet ur a bush supporter, want people to live in fear. Society is educate now and its the human race....
i would guess that all men of all races can put on muscle, and that it would be harder for us to get the same muscle they get, because we're women! LOL!!!
Asian men and women have less muscle mass than black or white people, thats why it's harder for them to build muscle. There are some built asians though.
People tend to forget Polynesians are asians too and alot of them are big.
The fuck you mean, about genetics,It's because people who don't work out and eat ''strong'' food ain't gonna be as muscular ''built'' as the people who do eat ''strong food'' so to speak, or be trained to work out, as that is what the white man did to have ''strong healthy'' slaves for their plantation it has NOTHING to do with being Asian....get your facts right, honey,....oh so if these video's are not bashing blacks, they bashing Asian's now???
@visionimagify Ain't looking up shit...show me the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF WHAT IT IS THAT BRINGS PROOF... this fucking bitch making these videos is no better than SWP
Black women are NOT seen as the least attractive. That is a lie. I use to work in the sex industry and I know that is a LIE. Black Women are the MOST DESIRABLE. Secretly every race wants to be and look like black women.
Being a sex object OR being desires the most SEXUALLY is nothing to be proud of. Anything in the sex industry that proves black women are most desired does not impress me. I do not accept this "award".
Yikes! @ f'emaleplayaa' "Black women are NOT seen as the least attractive. That is a lie. I use to work in the sex industry and I know that is a LIE. Black Women are the MOST DESIRABLE. Secretly every race wants to be and look like black women.
@femaleplayaa why are we so quick to copy what whites do? They join the sex industry do we need to as well? Whatever nonsense they start we have to be there too? I am sorry if I give the impression that I am picking at you-I am not. I am just wondering where have our standards gone?
i've been thinking this the whole time. fuck what john mayer says, most black women don't like white men either. and fuck the people who don't find black people attractive. fuck everybody for that matter.
UHeardMe1stTime, this video was much appreciated, thoughtful, and insightful. Thank you so much for posting it. These women in the vid look stunning and yes, focusing on the positive & attributes that can be improved sounds like the way to go:-) John Mayer is so ugly, btw. I've always thought that. But I digress. Have a great day!
Much to late to change it. I remember subtle shots are taken against east German women for not being 'feminine'. Society at large has determined what constitutes a masculinity, and what constitutes femininity. There are cultural variations but, for the most part, they are dyed in wool. As for attraction, there is some 'measurement' which 'scientifically' says, what is attractive; of course patterned after a european model.
As for the John Mayer bit, the only thing I found surprising about his comments in regards to black women is that he bothered to mention anything about us at all.
thank you. that really open mu eyes about myself. as far as the few black men that post negative shit about black women, it hurt my feelings at first, but now i'm over it because at the end of the day, they don't pay my bills so fuck them.
Cont.....Anyways, The Asian guy changed his physical appearance to attract a girl. Obviously its going to be different for a Girl trying to attract a guy! Like Duh! LOL! The guy gets muscles.
The girl gets longer gair (fail)
The guy get muscles.
The girl gets Bigger breast etc...
Remember, they are doing what thay have to do in order to attract the opposite sex, ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY Like. Women like muscles. Men like Big Breats! See my point? And that's what UHeardme is saying.
I don't agree with this. At the end of the day, most people are attracted because of chemistry and personality. alot of men don't like big breasts and alot of women don't like large muscles, myself included. I wouldn't change for anyone, take it or leave it. I didnt change and I still found someone.
Look at what UHeardme said about the Asian007 guy;
#1. He changed the appearance of his phyisical body by working out. He was a skinny guy and wasn't attracting girls. (Which is kinda' strang all by itself because Asian women like short asian guys! Most Asian guys are short and skinny! That tells me right there what kind of women this Asian guy was REALLY after! Now i see what he HAD to change his Physical appearance!) He was trying to get girls that liked muscular guys with Money! LOSER! LOL
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I knew you'd come round to my way of thinking - does this mean you're going to make videos about something more interesting from now on? You still haven't publicly relinquished the female privilege ethic. I think this would be a good move for your and other black women's personal development and game. Surveys are showing a resurgence in whore attitude among young women - which leaves an opportunity for the least whorish, blacks, to start bigging this aspect up as superior to the whore ethic. Yo!
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Are you going to publicly encourage the rejection of usufruct privilege-seeking behaviors by black women in order to help distinguish them as a higher class breed apart - more egalitarian, civil, independent, sophisticated, and evolved, requiring zero male maintenance - and hence, more attractive a proposition to egalitarian-minded men, fed up with the more self-absorbed, overtly 'feminine', overtly useless races/cultures of women? -or are you complaining because you want to be a princess too?
@tom181071, How does this video in anyway reflect your way of thinking?
I've read many of your comments on different boards and you comparing your way of thinking to UHeardME1stTime's presentations and intelligent well thought out commentary is like logical blasphemy.
UHeardMe1stTime actually presents useful and helpful information. Many if not most of your comments about black women are debasing.
Also, whore? You can say the same thing about men who have 3 different baby daddies.
A whore is not a person who has lots of children. A whore is someone who expects others to pay for sex. Asian and white women expect men to pay for sex. Black women don't, so get a job. This can be seen as a strength or a weakness. Currently, the black female zeitgeist laments lack of black princess opportunities, when it could be celebrating the wealth of female economic activity- which enlightened men desire of women.
If you are debased by that, then you are in the wannabe princess camp.
Black women on average express twice the paid work ethic than Asian & white women (Hakim, 2009). It is still not as good as men's paid work ethic, so yes, black women still are a little bit whorish, however, less so than other women. Now, are black women going to increase the whore attitude, like Beyonce and Riyanna lyrics would like, or decrease it, like humanity, civilization and progress would like? It will involve black women joyfully celebrating their economic commitment to independence
Tom, don't ask me nothing about no whores. If you refer to women as whores, YOU'RE the one with the problem, not women. Somebody did you wrong & now your grapes are sour. Go dump all that off on the person who hurt you.
So while majority of women DO expect men to pay (Daily Mail reported survey data last week), you are blaming the men who call those women out as whores. It appears I've hit a nerve. Shame you won't answer the question though. You DO have enough time to deal with it, but you choose histrionics and ad hominem male-shaming tactics. Your silence and/or prevarication on the issue indicates you condone the whore ethic, but can not bring yourself to admit it. Can black women be better than this?
As I said, you're using an anti-male shaming tactic - to be precise, the 'Sour grapes' charge (Code Purple). Google 'Anti-male shaming tactics' and have a read, then if you feel up to it, consider answering whether black women should stand up for work ethic, or bemoan there relative lack of whore treats. Which is it? I say the glass is half full, and black women should celebrate their independence, and publicise the fact they won't need to skank a man, like other races of women. You were saying?
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While we wait for you to read all about Code Purple, and collect your thoughts, I offer further guidance. If you want to grasp the black female sexual empowerment through work ethic mantle, please do not do it by in any way blaming men, as this would be counterproductive cheating. Manage to mobilize your girls to stand up without pretending it's all men's fault, and without pretending that you're going to get revenge over men in any sense -and then you will be a REALLY attractive and clever gal
You're gonna be waiting a long time if you're waiting for me to do anything you said. If you want to sexually empower black females, get your own movement started on your own channel. I don't even know what you're talking about half the time....and scene.
You not wanting to do sensible thing as I suggest is emblematic of the larger recalcitrant female whore backlash problem itself. But If YOU tell black women to reject princess shit, for empowerment through brilliant careers/civility/humour/game, then YOU get credit. Everything is derivative. You would have to be creative to make it your own and enthuse others. The Independent Women song was revengeful and written by men, so fake. You sound bothered, flat, and in need of optimism overhaul.
I don't know what the hell you're talking about because you refuse to talk normal. Do not post anymore comments about whores, empowerment or work ethic. whatever it is you're talking about that I should do, DO IT YOURSELF! I mean it. Not one more comment, Tom! Not one more!
And it's back to the 'I don't understand you therefore you are not normal argument'. Get a dictionary. Ask for clarification. You DO get what I am talking about. It is central to your struggle. I guess you just want to have a good moan on youtube. That is allowed - and you will find female followers who too want to stay stuck. Your excellent video on MRAs was about taking ACTION. Now you know how, it's you and your black sisters turn to be proactive. Don't mention it.
How can a census tell what will never happen? Most BW get married as some time in their lives. The census tells who's married at the time the census is taken.
How can a census tell what will never happen? Most BW get married as some time in their lives. The census tells who's married at the time the census is taken.
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true but they look at ALL age groups..so you can extrapolate what happens in the future (i.e. with a 35 yr old) based on what is happening with her future peer group. also u can look at marriage rates for women in other racial groups to sanity check those numbers. typically, if a woman is not married by 33-35, she will not get married at all.
YEs, and after doing all that calculation, most black women get married at some point in their lives. It doesn't mean they stay married forever or don't get widowed but most will make it down the aisle.
Such debasing stereotypes, allows those who believe them to feel good/better about themselves. They can say, "see, I'm not like that, I'm better, lol!
I accidently walked into a welfare office in a white community and it was over-flowing, with young and not so young white females with 2-4+ babies, as I have seen in black and brown neighborhoods. A contradiction to the lie that most/only bks are on the system.
I totally agree. There are actually more white people, than black people on welfare because the white population is larger.
However, even though white people make up the majority of people sucking on the government tit, all you hear about is black people.
Although if you need it, you need it, there shouldn't be a social stigma when it comes to need, but politicians have demonized people who are in need to win votes from angry misinformed whites who think only blacks are on welfare.
I was surprised!!! And a bit ashamed of myself as I took the bait like everyone else. Also, the same morose, sad faces, angry looking, screaming children etc. I am guilty of believing that just blks or most were/are the predominant welfare folk. This was just 1 office,but there are about 40+ offices in my city, which is only 6-7% black, so blks are not keeping those other 39 offices full to overflowing. duh, lol!
They're not stereotypes when members & idols of that group honor & celebrate what separates them from civilized society & represent themselves as THE black voice.
It's romanticized in your entertainment & exercised the youth. How to disregard?
Granted, few members do not represent a group but that's not a popular theory nor practice now is it?
Let's grow up- WE DO judge books by their covers. That won't change.
Yes, you buying into stereotypes, and yes they are stereotypes.
The majority of black people get up and work hard everyday day, but the white world most often focuses on a small minority of black people to define the black race and you suck it down like mayonnaise sandwich.
Whites are not defined by serial killers and redneck, therefore blacks should not me defined by a small group of people either.
Crime is one thing, but to develop cultures that celebrate & encourage it? To encourage poor vernacular, misconduct, & hostility.
But you're among the good guys supposedly? You know better than me, right? So tell me.. how did it start? What attempts were planned to stop these disrespectful cultures from forming?
I know of many hardworkers, most minorities (black & Latino). Some work under/with me & voice the same opinion.
It's this blind pride you possess rendering the assumption that you're united. You're NOT! It's perfectly possible for some blacks not to pursue the bullshit pride that horribly distorts the image others have for you.
And you'll never comprehend while adhering to an antiquated & ineffective lesson.
lol. You're dizzy. Typically you've mistaken race pride for ancestral pride. "Typical" because it's a common error. What your ancestors have done has little relation with the CRAP celebrated today.
Your ancestors won the abolishment of slavery, the civil rights movement, & the privileges of academia to become a race whose half their members are incarcerated? Whose homes are oblivious to education in the home? Whose terms of endearment double as derogatory expression?
No, as I said, people who buy into stereotypes about black people from the the media lack pride/self respect and most of all critical thinking skills
Whites being the majority control the media and they evaluate an issue from their point of you.
I'm sure you have heard the quote, "History is written by the victors."
Everything in the media is written from the white perspective and since most of these white people don't know an average black person, they formulate a stereotype.
The burden of proof is on the blacks, not the whites. To be accepted is your duty, not theirs'. YOUR ancestors believed that, took responsibility, & won equal rights & respect.
Today is different. Most members of YOUR nation's black race publicize & represent themselves as voices & idols of THE black race as the controversial culture popularly questioned.
These folks have damaged the image that blacks were supposed to carry from their ancestors.
Stop pretending that people supposedly evaluate races & ethnicities identically. Accept the responsibility to redo the work your ancestors have established or at least subdue your childishness: playing victim & making excuses for the privilege to revel in anguish.
Despite your command of the language, you're hardly an idol of self worth. Eternally blaming.
Then stay that way. You're a black "stereotype"-turned-fact & too well learned.
I'm reading your exchange with CrowdedWalls and would like to ask you to clarify some things as I don't want to assume. First, where is he blaming? What he stated in terms of the media is not uncommon knowledge agmonst Americans of all races. Why did your response seemingly turn into an attack? How is he playing victim, where's he making excuses. When you speak of ancestors are speaking pre or post Slave-trade. What are you intentions?
@Yolandra101 "First, where is he blaming? What he stated in terms of the media is not uncommon knowledge agmonst Americans of all races." I don't understand the question. Could you quote her suggestion.
"Why did your response seemingly turn into an attack?"Could you quote my responses.
"When you speak of ancestors are speaking pre or post Slave-trade. "Actually both. Even during slavery, few blacks were pardoned (or hidden) & provided privilege to learn basic skills & work freely.
Suggestion? Perhaps you could state a suggestion she made to you as I haven't come across it.
In terms of your responses which I referred as an attack, try six days ago with the comment that started with - Wishful thinking and ended with -Begone
Is your last statement an assumption that African Americans today don't learn basic skills or work freely. Can you substantiate that if so?
@Yolandra101 "Suggestion? Perhaps you could state a suggestion she made to you as I haven't come across it." I still don't know what you're referring.
The "attack" (lol). I possess an objective front during argument even if the speaker misinterprets, takes personally, or attempts insult.
I indulge when I sense the speaker grows personal or childish. She avoided my suggestion that blacks should assume duty & cease blaming others for misfortune, otherwise remain the reason...
In the same post as the "attack" you stated the individual (or the African American community) was -Eternally blaming-I questioned where this person was blaming (which you quoted) then you asked me to quote her suggestion...what suggestion?
In the "attack" you weren't being objective and were rather nasty. Mind you, she used profanity a couple of post before but it was not directed at you.
Perhaps you made an assumption about African Americans which is problematic.
Yep, I resembled her to the custom of blame others w/o assuming control or looking inwardly for blame or resolve. More an AA custom than a black custom, imo.
I cannot control nor predict the vulnerability of others whether my intentions were to or were not to offend. "Nasty" remains subjective while who better to claim my intentions than me?
Example: I don't find profanity offensive. If one were to be excessively profane to harm me, I wouldn't know.
As for your second paragraph, didn't make a subjective judgement of African American childern. Nasty could easily be replaced by other words that reflect hosility or ill intentions. Bottomline the proof was in the pudding, it wasn't the best way to communicate especially when your speaking of your perception as though it were fact.
" Bottomline the proof was in the pudding, it wasn't the best way to communicate especially when your speaking of your perception as though it were fact." That still remains subjective. I've had less complaints elsewhere. In this case, your believing me is not my concern.
I hear you about me believing you. It seems that your being disingenuous but, oh well, that's admittedly my opinion. Whatever you chose to believe is for you to account for however, being that you aren't African American and can't document where there is a group of Africans that have completely rebounded from conquest your stance on African Americans does seem to subjective but I've stated this before.
As you have substantiated anything, nor provided an explanation for similar inconsistencies in of people of African descent let's just stop. Thank you for talking the time to conversing with me. In lieu of your perceived judgement and disdain may I ask why you even participated on this video considering the topic, surly African American female don't get a "pass" and you presumably detest them too so why the interest?
"nor provided an explanation for similar inconsistencies in of people of African descent let's just stop."
lol okay.
"I ask why you even participated on this video considering the topic, surely African American female don't get a "pass" and you presumably detest them too so why the interest?"
Um.. I've never mentioned a detest for those females.
I regularly mentioned a dishonor for most members of the ethnicity, however. Dizzying?
You still can't substantiate that, it's your perception and your aware of that. You still haven't answer why with such heavy judgment you haven't attempted to assist with the sitution. A wise African once told me "if you identify a problem, have a pretty good Idea of the solution, you've there by assigned yourself to the task". Your stance is wholly dishonorable sir.
Not your military, are you not a citizen? That still doesn't deal with the issue, nor justify it, do some soul searching, seems there's more to this issue.
Nonetheless it's pathetic. I'd sooner help a crippled w/baggage pushing a door singlehandedly than folks who'd expect help while owning an able body, mind, & accessible resources.
Perhaps my upbringing & training was harder than yours. I don't honor self-pity or grieving. In US culture, coddling seems to be promotional. Granted, we're cogs of a clock, a society, but to be eternally dependent?
But whose asking you to do that, is this an emotional issue for you. Did you encounter some trama that needs to be addressed. What your describing are my friends and family or co-workers.
Who the hell told you that I had a laxed upbringing...oh wait, I guess you figured that I, the daugther of a veteran/police officers and step-daughter of a man who made history at West point am hmm, Ghetto. I know Africans well, I could say how spoiled and abusive some Afro-men are...
but why generalize. Tell me, the men in South African who are raping childern in the belief that it will cure AIDS are they a picture of this resolve you speak of? Think the continent is gonna "get over that"?
@Yolandra101 "And yes, I called quits because I've made my points, most of which you haven't counter or countered your perceptions but I keep getting message from you so I in turn reply LOL."
Likewise.
I can't help that you're not satisfied. Plus, you insisted questioning, or were they rhetorical? I'll digress. I'm very literal.
I don't know whose marking your responses as spam but it's not me.
In a nutshell (and I said this earlier). You can achieve in American because of the sacrifices of those who struggled before you. If you have a disdain for African Americans, that's on you again your character is your concern. But don't make criticism as an outsider (or an insider) if you have no desire to assist with the remedy. Africans leave too much to be desired to have such criticisms and vice-versa.
@Yolandra101 "You can achieve in American because of the sacrifices of those who struggled before you."
... or possess initiative for personal advancement simply for desire or self-preservation.
"But don't make criticism as an outsider (or an insider) if you have no desire to assist with the remedy. Africans leave too much to be desired to have such criticisms and vice-versa."
Your indulgence could be viewed as counter-productive and unless you have a disdain for African Americans the concept of becoming "nasty" when your viewpoint of a people your don't claim as your is challanged could easily classified as childish as well. This is why I initially inquired about your intentions. As you are not African American why would you presume to know more about our experiences than say we do? You are on the outside, which could be remedied so at least...
But that's not my point, conditions for the Serfs did not change for a thousand years. Have conditions changed in Ethiopia? How about the rest of Africa? Your looks is not the issue, sir. You came with something else.
Sir, there are members of the Republician party (which freed the "slaves") which are still Segregationist, however it would be wrong to say the entire party is based on segregation, perhaps your assestment is wrong.
Please note that the key word is "seemingly". Blacks being "hierarchicly" the lowest is by design (conquest).
The youth are a sign of the lack of stability that follow social/ economic devestation... as do the child soldiers of Africa, right.
"The youth are a sign of the lack of stability that follow social/ economic devestation... as do the child soldiers of Africa, right."
If the status & experiences are obvious why isn't there resolve? Immigrants come to America, most with nothing, & develop "something". How is it that despite publicizing education & other supportive resources (NAACP, Medicaid, etc) AA remain inferior in economic/academic status?
Maybe for the same reasons that other African nations don't have any stability. After the terrors of colonialism, many African nations have just opened their doors to China, have they not learned? Plus African countries, have they're own land mass supposedly over flowing with resources so why should they be immigrating anywhere? Please note that African Americans are in American and I don't know if you're aware but the whole country has a stability issue evidenced by the divorce
...rate alone. The people who immigrate here for what ever reason had come with a culture that regulates their interaction and provides some insulation. In allot cases that erodes in a generation of two. If you had done any impartial research you'd find out about the widen class issue in the African American community were those that assimulated left behind a community that struggled more than ever...than there was the Iran/contra issue which poor neighbor
...hoods never fully recovered from. Seems like I'm blaming maybe? If long gone Conolinal powers could still effect Africa as a whole, how is it that you think that a society which has 500 year track record of simular abuses doesn't have a simularly destructive affect on people that never intended to be part of the social fabric. Have you and yours done better, where in the diasperia would that be. Like I said, jump in, be of service.
A vast difference between blacks from abroad & AA is that AA lost their culture during slavery. You'd hardly find AA knowledgeable of their African details.
"Plus African countries, have they're own land mass supposedly over flowing with resources so why should they be immigrating anywhere?" Africans would immigrate to avoid war/civil crimes, civil wars, dictatorships, etc. There are still conflicts & incursions for those resources.
I know Africa is not heaven i posed these question in lieu of your statement concerning the "disgust" that Africans have for AA. Concerning the issues facing Africans and taking in to account the fact that Africans benefit from the struggles of AA's when the come to the US, the "disgust" is unjustifiable is my point. There are blaring contradictions in your(and others) presumed disdain for AA 's considering of this.
I don't understand your point or your interest. My material Grandmother is native, hmm,does that make me less contemptible to you or may be more (O_o)
@Yolandra101 "how is it that you think that a society which has 500 year track record of simular abuses doesn't have a simularly destructive affect on people that never intended to be part of the social fabric."
You're speaking for yourself or AA entirely? I ask you, you do not want to be in the US? Why not retreat & rediscover your origin? My point: You're not referring to today's AA, but their ancestors. I doubt a common answer among AA would be "I don't want to be here".
"My point: You're not referring to today's AA, but their ancestors. I doubt a common answer among AA would be "I don't want to be here". "
How could you possibly know, you're not an African American. I'm speaking about the experience of AA's, as a society America (like every other Eurocentric power) accepts us under the condition of conquest. How could you speak for today's AA's?
@Yolandra101 "How could you possibly know, you're not an African American."
There's nothing to understand (lol). You only speak for those "handicapped" by historic grief while there are still AA proven able to overcome & succeed economically & academically.
Our experiences are different but the resolve remains the same: "we got over it".
If you don't accept that, "stay that way". Wallow in grief while my kind & other self-managing individuals from various ethnicities capitalize.
WOW! I stumbled onto this vid it's great!
AroundTheWaymon 1 month ago
I like that Picture..
baggymunkey 4 months ago
I find aesthetic-centricism of this quite disturbing. While I understand physical appeal matters, it's limited. Certainly, it can capture someone's attention, but it can't hold it and it certainly won't make someone truly love YOU. IF that were the case, the divorce rate in the US would be far lower. Transforming one's self for the sake of stereotypical appeal is silly. Not all men like the same things. Compatibility and personality are key.
QueenLioness84 5 months ago
Really like this video. It's pragmatic and solution oriented. People focus too much on group dynamics versus indiv choices, which vary from person to person. IMHO I think some ppl get to caught up in wallowing in pity that they won't actually do what needs to be done to...well..win!
sclay12345 5 months ago
i ment "what" john mayor said
CerebralMadness 9 months ago
i never cared about with john mayor said i think he looks like a crack head lol his opinion doesnt matter and there are plenty of men that find me attractive
CerebralMadness 9 months ago 2
Good video uheardmethe1sttime. What else can you do? They don't like you fuckem, thats it in a nut shell.
DIJV79 11 months ago
Wow that was great! Really sensible but not hurtful. Be what men want (to a degree of course, don't go sleeping with them immediately or something) and then you will get someone. Take a look at yourself and improve.
BronzeTrinity 11 months ago
why doesn't hollywood gets a buff asian confident man and dark pretty, fine black girl in hollywood put them in a interacial love scene with 3 different actors and people would get brainwashed to like asian men and black woman.
tyronegot5 11 months ago 4
Just like everyone else i have some hangups in life, but being confident that I am an attractive dark brown woman isn't and have never been one of them. I've always been weight concious and have taken care of myself. I naturally have a sweet natural laid back personality. But i do know when to speak up for myself. The reality is, I seem to attract non-blk men more so than ....BW what you don't have naturally work on it-then u can hopefully attract the right man.
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Laurnea 1 year ago
SO NOW U KNOW HOW HARD IT IS OR A MAN TO GET IN SHAPE???? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
micpeee 1 year ago
I FOR ONE COULD CARE LESS IF OTHER RACES FIND BLKS ATTRACTIVE,BECAUSE THEY'RE SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TRYING TO LOOK LIKE US ANYWAY!
lakeside321 1 year ago
What this woman is saying is all common sense and general knowledge that MOST ppl know on their own. It's kind of sad that she has to make videos to explain this to a sad bunch of you all.
Ocean3589 1 year ago
good info gottabekiddingme. i wish more sista would realize you don't have to please all men, you just have to please that 1 man you want to be with.
jahluv3000 1 year ago
@jahluv3000
Didn't you hear what she said? If they don't like our looks then fuck em! Pay attention to those who DO like the way you look.
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shieldsff 1 year ago
I love this video!
MaddieK007 1 year ago
I agree. WTH do bw care if other races find them attractive? BW, bm go through the same stuff. A spanish and a ww told me I look good for a bm, That shit doesn't bother me. Screw them if there not attracted to us.
antonio26261 1 year ago 4
@antonio26261
Its not the same thing being a man. Women are objectified in the media to a greater extent then men are. The beauty standard is used against all women, so its not surprising that most women will have body image issues-especially BW. So even though that Spanish W was a bigot, the beauty standard is a lot harsher on BW then BM so that's why you don't care as much.
The moral of the message is make the most of what you've got and learn to accept yourself.
nana89london 11 months ago
U said "Fuck Em" so pleasantly LOL
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Skye271 1 year ago
"Men don't marry groups, they marry individuals." I love that line.
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I think its daft to take all the negativity surrounding black women to heart-especially as its nothing new. And Black women still get married,still lead lives. Just take no notice of these men who say these things. Because most of the time these other 'races'/black men who DO make these comments are only exposing their internalized racism or racist views. Don't mind them. Life is too brief .
nana89london 1 year ago 17
the irony of these subjective, highly socialized concepts of racialized beauty (with their, in general, stigmatization of black images) is that ALL modern humans are the descendants of migratory BLACK African peoples. Considering hat fact, "race' is ultimately a social concept; i.e., biologically there are no scientifically discernible distinctions in cognitive capability or physiological functions among all the "races". I strongly recommend the work, "Race Myth", by Prof. Joseph Graves.
shieldsff 1 year ago
I think we should not generalize. Although I am not a big fan of interracial dating given were only 13% of the U.S population, there are ALOT of videos about black women with nonblack men....check them out...they are there.
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I agree that most men like women who are in shape but disagree that black women need to focus on having "long hair" and being themselves to get a man. I don't have long hair...actually natural hair and I am aggressive...not verbally abusive...and I have 2 masters degrees which I don't brag about but don't hide neither...I'm not going to "dumb down" to make myself more attractive. I have not had problems in the dating arena...
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nana89london 1 year ago
i love this vid right at the end if they don't like our looks F &*?% K them. I agree
manweller1 1 year ago 14
the blk man has been subjugated & now almalgamated in2 the wht mans Empire so blk women cant b seen as the standard of beauty wherever she may b found because YOUR MEN R NOT IN POWER at this time. It is not bcuz u aint the SHIT, cuz u r but the blk man nos 2 allow u 2 b on equal terms with wht women is 2 challenge the wht mans ALPHA MALE status & power which could get lynching cranked up again. so while white women can b openly worshiped collectively blk women can only b appreciated individually
girl123boy456 1 year ago
What do you see white and asian women doing to themselves? They are getting chemical tans and getting their asses lifted thickoning their lips need I go on. Hell they wish they were you black women I mean look around you they have commercials that sale panties with cushion in them to make them appear they have big asses so who is copying who? Black women all women have problems not just you trust me im a black man and I have dated outside my race I know. 2
MegaZeitgeist 2 years ago 2
You know blacks spend way to much time worrying about what others think of them. Just stop and think for a second why is their so much talk on black people? Because they envy you thats why if they really thought you were unattractive they wouldn't bother with you in any way. Black women are the most attractive women in the world and I can proove it every woman of every race always tries to copy black women. 1
MegaZeitgeist 2 years ago 5
"You know blacks spend way to much time worrying about what others think of them."
Perplexing. The past week few told me they "don't give a fuck". lol
Their words.
Efferts 2 years ago
why r u keep implying that u speak for one group. I guess if all u got is a ged equviance (good4u)..... the problem is when some one figure it out.... he/she will see u as a racial person..... give it up... i bet ur a bush supporter, want people to live in fear. Society is educate now and its the human race....
claudia1love 2 years ago
Thanks for the video. You are very truthful. You have a lot of intelligence.
gmcmim 2 years ago 2
why is it harder for asian men to put on muscle, and they're men?
JRockLovinAtheist 2 years ago
@JRockLovinAtheist
Genetics.
UHeardMe1stTime 2 years ago 3
i would guess that all men of all races can put on muscle, and that it would be harder for us to get the same muscle they get, because we're women! LOL!!!
JRockLovinAtheist 2 years ago
Asian men and women have less muscle mass than black or white people, thats why it's harder for them to build muscle. There are some built asians though.
People tend to forget Polynesians are asians too and alot of them are big.
Samielle1 2 years ago
@UHeardMe1stTime
The fuck you mean, about genetics,It's because people who don't work out and eat ''strong'' food ain't gonna be as muscular ''built'' as the people who do eat ''strong food'' so to speak, or be trained to work out, as that is what the white man did to have ''strong healthy'' slaves for their plantation it has NOTHING to do with being Asian....get your facts right, honey,....oh so if these video's are not bashing blacks, they bashing Asian's now???
maishdabomb 1 year ago
@maishdabomb It is genetics. Look up: mesomorphs, ectomorphs and endomorphs. There's a difference. Although, I do disagree with this chick.
visionimagify 1 year ago
@visionimagify Ain't looking up shit...show me the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF WHAT IT IS THAT BRINGS PROOF... this fucking bitch making these videos is no better than SWP
maishdabomb 1 year ago
Black women are NOT seen as the least attractive. That is a lie. I use to work in the sex industry and I know that is a LIE. Black Women are the MOST DESIRABLE. Secretly every race wants to be and look like black women.
femaleplayaa 2 years ago
@femaleplayaa
If porn proves black women are most desired, I'm happy being the least desired.
UHeardMe1stTime 2 years ago
You missed my whole point. Porn is not the only aspect of the Sex Industry.
femaleplayaa 2 years ago
@femaleplayaa
Being a sex object OR being desires the most SEXUALLY is nothing to be proud of. Anything in the sex industry that proves black women are most desired does not impress me. I do not accept this "award".
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Yikes! @ f'emaleplayaa' "Black women are NOT seen as the least attractive. That is a lie. I use to work in the sex industry and I know that is a LIE. Black Women are the MOST DESIRABLE. Secretly every race wants to be and look like black women.
Nyobe1 2 years ago
@femaleplayaa Black Women are the MOST DESIRABLE in the sex industry b/c they are easy to use-No virtue, No standards, easy target period!
biddles790 2 years ago
@femaleplayaa why are we so quick to copy what whites do? They join the sex industry do we need to as well? Whatever nonsense they start we have to be there too? I am sorry if I give the impression that I am picking at you-I am not. I am just wondering where have our standards gone?
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nana89london 1 year ago
@UHeardMe1stTime
Very good message to this video.
JamesJ30t 2 years ago
i've been thinking this the whole time. fuck what john mayer says, most black women don't like white men either. and fuck the people who don't find black people attractive. fuck everybody for that matter.
Samielle1 2 years ago 4
@Samielle1
I agree.
biddles790 1 year ago
UHeardMe1stTime, this video was much appreciated, thoughtful, and insightful. Thank you so much for posting it. These women in the vid look stunning and yes, focusing on the positive & attributes that can be improved sounds like the way to go:-) John Mayer is so ugly, btw. I've always thought that. But I digress. Have a great day!
808Lana 2 years ago 2
this crap just needs to stop. no race of people should be viewed as the least attractive. that's just ridiculous.
JRockLovinAtheist 2 years ago 5
Much to late to change it. I remember subtle shots are taken against east German women for not being 'feminine'. Society at large has determined what constitutes a masculinity, and what constitutes femininity. There are cultural variations but, for the most part, they are dyed in wool. As for attraction, there is some 'measurement' which 'scientifically' says, what is attractive; of course patterned after a european model.
Nyobe1 2 years ago
Another good video!
NadegeP1 2 years ago
Excellent video.
As for the John Mayer bit, the only thing I found surprising about his comments in regards to black women is that he bothered to mention anything about us at all.
Taylorsgurl100 2 years ago 3
thank you. that really open mu eyes about myself. as far as the few black men that post negative shit about black women, it hurt my feelings at first, but now i'm over it because at the end of the day, they don't pay my bills so fuck them.
Johnzilyn 2 years ago 5
I just wanna say that i am not "after" UHeardme. I just have a different view point. That's all....
TheCameraEye11 2 years ago
Cont.....Anyways, The Asian guy changed his physical appearance to attract a girl. Obviously its going to be different for a Girl trying to attract a guy! Like Duh! LOL! The guy gets muscles.
The girl gets longer gair (fail)
The guy get muscles.
The girl gets Bigger breast etc...
Remember, they are doing what thay have to do in order to attract the opposite sex, ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY Like. Women like muscles. Men like Big Breats! See my point? And that's what UHeardme is saying.
TheCameraEye11 2 years ago
I don't agree with this. At the end of the day, most people are attracted because of chemistry and personality. alot of men don't like big breasts and alot of women don't like large muscles, myself included. I wouldn't change for anyone, take it or leave it. I didnt change and I still found someone.
Samielle1 2 years ago
Look at what UHeardme said about the Asian007 guy;
#1. He changed the appearance of his phyisical body by working out. He was a skinny guy and wasn't attracting girls. (Which is kinda' strang all by itself because Asian women like short asian guys! Most Asian guys are short and skinny! That tells me right there what kind of women this Asian guy was REALLY after! Now i see what he HAD to change his Physical appearance!) He was trying to get girls that liked muscular guys with Money! LOSER! LOL
TheCameraEye11 2 years ago
real talk alot of the bad reputation that black women have....really we as black women have alot to do with it.
we really should just focus on working on ourselves & love those who love us
imsatindoll 2 years ago
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I knew you'd come round to my way of thinking - does this mean you're going to make videos about something more interesting from now on? You still haven't publicly relinquished the female privilege ethic. I think this would be a good move for your and other black women's personal development and game. Surveys are showing a resurgence in whore attitude among young women - which leaves an opportunity for the least whorish, blacks, to start bigging this aspect up as superior to the whore ethic. Yo!
tom181071 2 years ago
@tom181071
Dude, what language are you speaking? Just talk normal & stop trying to sound hip. I don't understand all this jive talk.
UHeardMe1stTime 2 years ago
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Are you going to publicly encourage the rejection of usufruct privilege-seeking behaviors by black women in order to help distinguish them as a higher class breed apart - more egalitarian, civil, independent, sophisticated, and evolved, requiring zero male maintenance - and hence, more attractive a proposition to egalitarian-minded men, fed up with the more self-absorbed, overtly 'feminine', overtly useless races/cultures of women? -or are you complaining because you want to be a princess too?
tom181071 2 years ago
@tom181071, How does this video in anyway reflect your way of thinking?
I've read many of your comments on different boards and you comparing your way of thinking to UHeardME1stTime's presentations and intelligent well thought out commentary is like logical blasphemy.
UHeardMe1stTime actually presents useful and helpful information. Many if not most of your comments about black women are debasing.
Also, whore? You can say the same thing about men who have 3 different baby daddies.
CrowdedWalls 2 years ago 4
@CrowdedWalls, make that black men who have 3 different baby mommas.
CrowdedWalls 2 years ago
A whore is not a person who has lots of children. A whore is someone who expects others to pay for sex. Asian and white women expect men to pay for sex. Black women don't, so get a job. This can be seen as a strength or a weakness. Currently, the black female zeitgeist laments lack of black princess opportunities, when it could be celebrating the wealth of female economic activity- which enlightened men desire of women.
If you are debased by that, then you are in the wannabe princess camp.
tom181071 2 years ago
What are you talking about?
(lol) Is this a riddle?
First you say black women have a whore attitude.
Then you say a whore is some one who expects to be paid for sex and that White and Asian women expect to be paid for sex, but black woman don't.
However, aren't you saying the same thing about black women when you say they have a whore attitude?
CrowdedWalls 2 years ago
Black women on average express twice the paid work ethic than Asian & white women (Hakim, 2009). It is still not as good as men's paid work ethic, so yes, black women still are a little bit whorish, however, less so than other women. Now, are black women going to increase the whore attitude, like Beyonce and Riyanna lyrics would like, or decrease it, like humanity, civilization and progress would like? It will involve black women joyfully celebrating their economic commitment to independence
tom181071 2 years ago
@tom181071
Tom, don't ask me nothing about no whores. If you refer to women as whores, YOU'RE the one with the problem, not women. Somebody did you wrong & now your grapes are sour. Go dump all that off on the person who hurt you.
UHeardMe1stTime 2 years ago
So while majority of women DO expect men to pay (Daily Mail reported survey data last week), you are blaming the men who call those women out as whores. It appears I've hit a nerve. Shame you won't answer the question though. You DO have enough time to deal with it, but you choose histrionics and ad hominem male-shaming tactics. Your silence and/or prevarication on the issue indicates you condone the whore ethic, but can not bring yourself to admit it. Can black women be better than this?
tom181071 2 years ago
@tom181071
As I said, go yell at the woman who hurt you & call her a whore.
UHeardMe1stTime 2 years ago
As I said, you're using an anti-male shaming tactic - to be precise, the 'Sour grapes' charge (Code Purple). Google 'Anti-male shaming tactics' and have a read, then if you feel up to it, consider answering whether black women should stand up for work ethic, or bemoan there relative lack of whore treats. Which is it? I say the glass is half full, and black women should celebrate their independence, and publicise the fact they won't need to skank a man, like other races of women. You were saying?
tom181071 2 years ago
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While we wait for you to read all about Code Purple, and collect your thoughts, I offer further guidance. If you want to grasp the black female sexual empowerment through work ethic mantle, please do not do it by in any way blaming men, as this would be counterproductive cheating. Manage to mobilize your girls to stand up without pretending it's all men's fault, and without pretending that you're going to get revenge over men in any sense -and then you will be a REALLY attractive and clever gal
tom181071 2 years ago
@tom181071
You're gonna be waiting a long time if you're waiting for me to do anything you said. If you want to sexually empower black females, get your own movement started on your own channel. I don't even know what you're talking about half the time....and scene.
UHeardMe1stTime 2 years ago
You not wanting to do sensible thing as I suggest is emblematic of the larger recalcitrant female whore backlash problem itself. But If YOU tell black women to reject princess shit, for empowerment through brilliant careers/civility/humour/game, then YOU get credit. Everything is derivative. You would have to be creative to make it your own and enthuse others. The Independent Women song was revengeful and written by men, so fake. You sound bothered, flat, and in need of optimism overhaul.
tom181071 2 years ago
@tom181071
I don't know what the hell you're talking about because you refuse to talk normal. Do not post anymore comments about whores, empowerment or work ethic. whatever it is you're talking about that I should do, DO IT YOURSELF! I mean it. Not one more comment, Tom! Not one more!
UHeardMe1stTime 2 years ago
And it's back to the 'I don't understand you therefore you are not normal argument'. Get a dictionary. Ask for clarification. You DO get what I am talking about. It is central to your struggle. I guess you just want to have a good moan on youtube. That is allowed - and you will find female followers who too want to stay stuck. Your excellent video on MRAs was about taking ACTION. Now you know how, it's you and your black sisters turn to be proactive. Don't mention it.
tom181071 2 years ago
@tom181071, (lol), no one understands you tom, and no , you are not normal.
CrowdedWalls 2 years ago 5
You are very normal.
tom181071 2 years ago
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ur first statement is false..most BW DO NOT EVER get married...us census is my source..go look it up...
twim20 2 years ago
@twim20
How can a census tell what will never happen? Most BW get married as some time in their lives. The census tells who's married at the time the census is taken.
UHeardMe1stTime 2 years ago
@twim20
How can a census tell what will never happen? Most BW get married as some time in their lives. The census tells who's married at the time the census is taken.
UHeardMe1stTime 2 years ago
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true but they look at ALL age groups..so you can extrapolate what happens in the future (i.e. with a 35 yr old) based on what is happening with her future peer group. also u can look at marriage rates for women in other racial groups to sanity check those numbers. typically, if a woman is not married by 33-35, she will not get married at all.
twim20 2 years ago
twim,
YEs, and after doing all that calculation, most black women get married at some point in their lives. It doesn't mean they stay married forever or don't get widowed but most will make it down the aisle.
UHeardMe1stTime 2 years ago
Depends on the Census information you are using, 2000 or the annual survey. Which source are you citing?
burmanup 2 years ago
My question is to twim20.
burmanup 2 years ago
Excellent . You got down on this one
jasadin 2 years ago
You are too real. I got mad respect.
likecrunchyness 2 years ago
I'm gradually believing that most of today's Afro Americans tolerate the animosity towards them.
There's help accessible but "its not black" to use them. To congregate with or adopt tools or cultures from members of other ethnicities, too.
Technically, being the "black" you care to be (ie: underprivileged, superstitious, hardened, loud, attitudinal) does more damage than good.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts, and what does that make you for buying into all the stereotypes about black people?
If one were to stereotype whites based on crimes mainly whites commit, you might stereotype whites as serial killers and child rapist.
However, most people know that it is pretty ignorant to assume that a certain group of people in the white race define the whole white race.
I don't know where the hell you are from, but most of the black people I know are hardworking people that are not a stereotype.
CrowdedWalls 2 years ago 5
Such debasing stereotypes, allows those who believe them to feel good/better about themselves. They can say, "see, I'm not like that, I'm better, lol!
I accidently walked into a welfare office in a white community and it was over-flowing, with young and not so young white females with 2-4+ babies, as I have seen in black and brown neighborhoods. A contradiction to the lie that most/only bks are on the system.
Nyobe1 2 years ago 4
I totally agree. There are actually more white people, than black people on welfare because the white population is larger.
However, even though white people make up the majority of people sucking on the government tit, all you hear about is black people.
Although if you need it, you need it, there shouldn't be a social stigma when it comes to need, but politicians have demonized people who are in need to win votes from angry misinformed whites who think only blacks are on welfare.
CrowdedWalls 2 years ago
I was surprised!!! And a bit ashamed of myself as I took the bait like everyone else. Also, the same morose, sad faces, angry looking, screaming children etc. I am guilty of believing that just blks or most were/are the predominant welfare folk. This was just 1 office,but there are about 40+ offices in my city, which is only 6-7% black, so blks are not keeping those other 39 offices full to overflowing. duh, lol!
Nyobe1 2 years ago
@CrowdedWalls
"Buying into all the stereotypes" ??
They're not stereotypes when members & idols of that group honor & celebrate what separates them from civilized society & represent themselves as THE black voice.
It's romanticized in your entertainment & exercised the youth. How to disregard?
Granted, few members do not represent a group but that's not a popular theory nor practice now is it?
Let's grow up- WE DO judge books by their covers. That won't change.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
Yes, you buying into stereotypes, and yes they are stereotypes.
The majority of black people get up and work hard everyday day, but the white world most often focuses on a small minority of black people to define the black race and you suck it down like mayonnaise sandwich.
Whites are not defined by serial killers and redneck, therefore blacks should not me defined by a small group of people either.
CrowdedWalls 2 years ago 3
@CrowdedWalls
Crime is one thing, but to develop cultures that celebrate & encourage it? To encourage poor vernacular, misconduct, & hostility.
But you're among the good guys supposedly? You know better than me, right? So tell me.. how did it start? What attempts were planned to stop these disrespectful cultures from forming?
And what's with your fixation on whites?
Efferts 2 years ago
@CrowdedWalls
(cont)
I know of many hardworkers, most minorities (black & Latino). Some work under/with me & voice the same opinion.
It's this blind pride you possess rendering the assumption that you're united. You're NOT! It's perfectly possible for some blacks not to pursue the bullshit pride that horribly distorts the image others have for you.
And you'll never comprehend while adhering to an antiquated & ineffective lesson.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
If those are people you know, then why focus on the small group you don't know?
White people don't focus on serial killers and child rapist and red necks although serial killers and child rapist are mostly always white.
You may view pride as blind because, you have absolutely no pride at all.
Most races of people are proud of their ancestors and the accomplishments of their people, that is normal.
Those who buy into stereotypes facilitated by the media lack pride/self respect.
CrowdedWalls 2 years ago
@CrowdedWalls
lol. You're dizzy. Typically you've mistaken race pride for ancestral pride. "Typical" because it's a common error. What your ancestors have done has little relation with the CRAP celebrated today.
Your ancestors won the abolishment of slavery, the civil rights movement, & the privileges of academia to become a race whose half their members are incarcerated? Whose homes are oblivious to education in the home? Whose terms of endearment double as derogatory expression?
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
No, as I said, people who buy into stereotypes about black people from the the media lack pride/self respect and most of all critical thinking skills
Whites being the majority control the media and they evaluate an issue from their point of you.
I'm sure you have heard the quote, "History is written by the victors."
Everything in the media is written from the white perspective and since most of these white people don't know an average black person, they formulate a stereotype.
CrowdedWalls 2 years ago
@CrowdedWalls, lol You don't get it.
The burden of proof is on the blacks, not the whites. To be accepted is your duty, not theirs'. YOUR ancestors believed that, took responsibility, & won equal rights & respect.
Today is different. Most members of YOUR nation's black race publicize & represent themselves as voices & idols of THE black race as the controversial culture popularly questioned.
These folks have damaged the image that blacks were supposed to carry from their ancestors.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
Burden of proof is irrelevant when it comes to stereotypes.
Stereotypes are defined as, "generalizations about people that are based on limited, sometimes inaccurate, information"
Which means regardless of whether there is proof or not, the person who promotes the steryotype doesn't bother to find it.
Damaged the black image?
Do you mean the same way the group of whites who are serial killers or racist have damaged the white image for all whites?
CrowdedWalls 2 years ago 2
@CrowdedWalls
Wishful thinking.
Stop pretending that people supposedly evaluate races & ethnicities identically. Accept the responsibility to redo the work your ancestors have established or at least subdue your childishness: playing victim & making excuses for the privilege to revel in anguish.
Despite your command of the language, you're hardly an idol of self worth. Eternally blaming.
Then stay that way. You're a black "stereotype"-turned-fact & too well learned.
Begone.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
You say wishful thinking, and I say reality.
People evaluate races and even history from their own perspective.
I'm a stereotype? Whatever dude...I went to one of the best Universities which is why I know all this shit.
Also, stop worshiping White folks and open a damn book and do some critical thinking.
Goggling Cultural imperialism is a good place to start.
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CrowdedWalls 2 years ago 2
Efferts,
I'm reading your exchange with CrowdedWalls and would like to ask you to clarify some things as I don't want to assume. First, where is he blaming? What he stated in terms of the media is not uncommon knowledge agmonst Americans of all races. Why did your response seemingly turn into an attack? How is he playing victim, where's he making excuses. When you speak of ancestors are speaking pre or post Slave-trade. What are you intentions?
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101 "First, where is he blaming? What he stated in terms of the media is not uncommon knowledge agmonst Americans of all races." I don't understand the question. Could you quote her suggestion.
"Why did your response seemingly turn into an attack?"Could you quote my responses.
"When you speak of ancestors are speaking pre or post Slave-trade. "Actually both. Even during slavery, few blacks were pardoned (or hidden) & provided privilege to learn basic skills & work freely.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Effects,
Suggestion? Perhaps you could state a suggestion she made to you as I haven't come across it.
In terms of your responses which I referred as an attack, try six days ago with the comment that started with - Wishful thinking and ended with -Begone
Is your last statement an assumption that African Americans today don't learn basic skills or work freely. Can you substantiate that if so?
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101 "Suggestion? Perhaps you could state a suggestion she made to you as I haven't come across it." I still don't know what you're referring.
The "attack" (lol). I possess an objective front during argument even if the speaker misinterprets, takes personally, or attempts insult.
I indulge when I sense the speaker grows personal or childish. She avoided my suggestion that blacks should assume duty & cease blaming others for misfortune, otherwise remain the reason...
Efferts 2 years ago
@Effects
In the same post as the "attack" you stated the individual (or the African American community) was -Eternally blaming-I questioned where this person was blaming (which you quoted) then you asked me to quote her suggestion...what suggestion?
In the "attack" you weren't being objective and were rather nasty. Mind you, she used profanity a couple of post before but it was not directed at you.
Perhaps you made an assumption about African Americans which is problematic.
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101
Yep, I resembled her to the custom of blame others w/o assuming control or looking inwardly for blame or resolve. More an AA custom than a black custom, imo.
I cannot control nor predict the vulnerability of others whether my intentions were to or were not to offend. "Nasty" remains subjective while who better to claim my intentions than me?
Example: I don't find profanity offensive. If one were to be excessively profane to harm me, I wouldn't know.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
Please substantiate your first paragraph.
As for your second paragraph, didn't make a subjective judgement of African American childern. Nasty could easily be replaced by other words that reflect hosility or ill intentions. Bottomline the proof was in the pudding, it wasn't the best way to communicate especially when your speaking of your perception as though it were fact.
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101
I've less than an hour online. I have a trip to attend.
Efferts 2 years ago
" Bottomline the proof was in the pudding, it wasn't the best way to communicate especially when your speaking of your perception as though it were fact." That still remains subjective. I've had less complaints elsewhere. In this case, your believing me is not my concern.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
I hear you about me believing you. It seems that your being disingenuous but, oh well, that's admittedly my opinion. Whatever you chose to believe is for you to account for however, being that you aren't African American and can't document where there is a group of Africans that have completely rebounded from conquest your stance on African Americans does seem to subjective but I've stated this before.
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Efferts,
As you have substantiated anything, nor provided an explanation for similar inconsistencies in of people of African descent let's just stop. Thank you for talking the time to conversing with me. In lieu of your perceived judgement and disdain may I ask why you even participated on this video considering the topic, surly African American female don't get a "pass" and you presumably detest them too so why the interest?
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101
"nor provided an explanation for similar inconsistencies in of people of African descent let's just stop."
lol okay.
"I ask why you even participated on this video considering the topic, surely African American female don't get a "pass" and you presumably detest them too so why the interest?"
Um.. I've never mentioned a detest for those females.
I regularly mentioned a dishonor for most members of the ethnicity, however. Dizzying?
Efferts 2 years ago
@Effects,
Dear sir, you were so clear about what we are, aren't, do and don't do. Dizzing indeed sir.
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101
I would've bought it if AA were perfectly incapable. Consequentially, it comes down to "eternally blaming" after all.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
You still can't substantiate that, it's your perception and your aware of that. You still haven't answer why with such heavy judgment you haven't attempted to assist with the sitution. A wise African once told me "if you identify a problem, have a pretty good Idea of the solution, you've there by assigned yourself to the task". Your stance is wholly dishonorable sir.
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101
lol Technically I've assisted several of the AA youth on a path to certain success. They're serving your military now.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
Not your military, are you not a citizen? That still doesn't deal with the issue, nor justify it, do some soul searching, seems there's more to this issue.
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101
Nonetheless it's pathetic. I'd sooner help a crippled w/baggage pushing a door singlehandedly than folks who'd expect help while owning an able body, mind, & accessible resources.
Perhaps my upbringing & training was harder than yours. I don't honor self-pity or grieving. In US culture, coddling seems to be promotional. Granted, we're cogs of a clock, a society, but to be eternally dependent?
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
But whose asking you to do that, is this an emotional issue for you. Did you encounter some trama that needs to be addressed. What your describing are my friends and family or co-workers.
Who the hell told you that I had a laxed upbringing...oh wait, I guess you figured that I, the daugther of a veteran/police officers and step-daughter of a man who made history at West point am hmm, Ghetto. I know Africans well, I could say how spoiled and abusive some Afro-men are...
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101 "But whose asking you to do that, is this an emotional issue for you."
To debate or teach I never involve emotions. My stance nor my education is bred by emotions- a big difference between myself & the common party.
From our debate up to now you assume too much: "Who the hell told you that I had a laxed upbringing"
That is why there's miscommunication. You expect me to assume about you or insult, a common human error.
I'm not indulging.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
but why generalize. Tell me, the men in South African who are raping childern in the belief that it will cure AIDS are they a picture of this resolve you speak of? Think the continent is gonna "get over that"?
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101
Your... our military accepts immigrants. However I acquired citizenship long before enlistment & met other requirements, ie: diploma.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
Congarts!
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101 "And yes, I called quits because I've made my points, most of which you haven't counter or countered your perceptions but I keep getting message from you so I in turn reply LOL."
Likewise.
I can't help that you're not satisfied. Plus, you insisted questioning, or were they rhetorical? I'll digress. I'm very literal.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
I don't know whose marking your responses as spam but it's not me.
In a nutshell (and I said this earlier). You can achieve in American because of the sacrifices of those who struggled before you. If you have a disdain for African Americans, that's on you again your character is your concern. But don't make criticism as an outsider (or an insider) if you have no desire to assist with the remedy. Africans leave too much to be desired to have such criticisms and vice-versa.
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101 "You can achieve in American because of the sacrifices of those who struggled before you."
... or possess initiative for personal advancement simply for desire or self-preservation.
"But don't make criticism as an outsider (or an insider) if you have no desire to assist with the remedy. Africans leave too much to be desired to have such criticisms and vice-versa."
It's in the memo.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
" or possess initiative for personal advancement simply for desire or self-preservation."
No one is denying you that...by now means.
"It's in the memo."
LOL Aren't you just the cutest thing. :-D
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101 "Aren't you just the cutest thing. :-D"
Never!
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
"Never!"
Ok, you know I was kidding right (O_o)
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Effects,
Your indulgence could be viewed as counter-productive and unless you have a disdain for African Americans the concept of becoming "nasty" when your viewpoint of a people your don't claim as your is challanged could easily classified as childish as well. This is why I initially inquired about your intentions. As you are not African American why would you presume to know more about our experiences than say we do? You are on the outside, which could be remedied so at least...
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101
Notice that my indulgence only surfaced during my ending post. I had no intention continuing the debate.
"As you are not African American why would you presume to know more about our experiences than say we do?"
It's 2010 & you remain w/o resolves. Crime & relationship statistics unchanged if not worse. It's seemingly "culture".
No one could physically tell I wasn't AA unless I said so. I encountered & eradicated racism within a yr of my emigration.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Effects,
But that's not my point, conditions for the Serfs did not change for a thousand years. Have conditions changed in Ethiopia? How about the rest of Africa? Your looks is not the issue, sir. You came with something else.
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Efferts,
...respectful. Especially so if it is your opinion that you and/or your "group" have down better under the same circumstances
Yolandra101 2 years ago
(cont) the reason blacks are generally viewed as "controversial" even "antisocial".
"When I stated "lounder groups" I was speaking in terms of Pan-Africanist groups which have always been the minority and less impactful." My mistake.
Segregation not being A goal is hard to swallow. While persons cannot speak for groups, there are members that insist on segregation.
Granted one can maintain culture while assimilating, but most AA seemingly cannot adverse conquest w/o impacting...
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
Sir, there are members of the Republician party (which freed the "slaves") which are still Segregationist, however it would be wrong to say the entire party is based on segregation, perhaps your assestment is wrong.
Please note that the key word is "seemingly". Blacks being "hierarchicly" the lowest is by design (conquest).
The youth are a sign of the lack of stability that follow social/ economic devestation... as do the child soldiers of Africa, right.
Yolandra101 2 years ago
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"The youth are a sign of the lack of stability that follow social/ economic devestation... as do the child soldiers of Africa, right."
If the status & experiences are obvious why isn't there resolve? Immigrants come to America, most with nothing, & develop "something". How is it that despite publicizing education & other supportive resources (NAACP, Medicaid, etc) AA remain inferior in economic/academic status?
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
Maybe for the same reasons that other African nations don't have any stability. After the terrors of colonialism, many African nations have just opened their doors to China, have they not learned? Plus African countries, have they're own land mass supposedly over flowing with resources so why should they be immigrating anywhere? Please note that African Americans are in American and I don't know if you're aware but the whole country has a stability issue evidenced by the divorce
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Efferts,
contd.
...rate alone. The people who immigrate here for what ever reason had come with a culture that regulates their interaction and provides some insulation. In allot cases that erodes in a generation of two. If you had done any impartial research you'd find out about the widen class issue in the African American community were those that assimulated left behind a community that struggled more than ever...than there was the Iran/contra issue which poor neighbor
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Efferts,
contd.
...hoods never fully recovered from. Seems like I'm blaming maybe? If long gone Conolinal powers could still effect Africa as a whole, how is it that you think that a society which has 500 year track record of simular abuses doesn't have a simularly destructive affect on people that never intended to be part of the social fabric. Have you and yours done better, where in the diasperia would that be. Like I said, jump in, be of service.
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101
A vast difference between blacks from abroad & AA is that AA lost their culture during slavery. You'd hardly find AA knowledgeable of their African details.
"Plus African countries, have they're own land mass supposedly over flowing with resources so why should they be immigrating anywhere?" Africans would immigrate to avoid war/civil crimes, civil wars, dictatorships, etc. There are still conflicts & incursions for those resources.
It's no heaven.
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
I know Africa is not heaven i posed these question in lieu of your statement concerning the "disgust" that Africans have for AA. Concerning the issues facing Africans and taking in to account the fact that Africans benefit from the struggles of AA's when the come to the US, the "disgust" is unjustifiable is my point. There are blaring contradictions in your(and others) presumed disdain for AA 's considering of this.
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101
I lived in Africa most my childhood & today I worked with natives in the States. Their despise remains a common theory.
Where's the contradiction?
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
I don't understand your point or your interest. My material Grandmother is native, hmm,does that make me less contemptible to you or may be more (O_o)
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101 "how is it that you think that a society which has 500 year track record of simular abuses doesn't have a simularly destructive affect on people that never intended to be part of the social fabric."
You're speaking for yourself or AA entirely? I ask you, you do not want to be in the US? Why not retreat & rediscover your origin? My point: You're not referring to today's AA, but their ancestors. I doubt a common answer among AA would be "I don't want to be here".
Efferts 2 years ago
@Efferts,
"My point: You're not referring to today's AA, but their ancestors. I doubt a common answer among AA would be "I don't want to be here". "
How could you possibly know, you're not an African American. I'm speaking about the experience of AA's, as a society America (like every other Eurocentric power) accepts us under the condition of conquest. How could you speak for today's AA's?
Yolandra101 2 years ago
@Yolandra101 "How could you possibly know, you're not an African American."
There's nothing to understand (lol). You only speak for those "handicapped" by historic grief while there are still AA proven able to overcome & succeed economically & academically.
Our experiences are different but the resolve remains the same: "we got over it".
If you don't accept that, "stay that way". Wallow in grief while my kind & other self-managing individuals from various ethnicities capitalize.
Efferts 2 years ago