Scarecrow Labs - 20080803 - HHO Torch at 8 LPM

[tjcheem]

how do u make so much gas, alot of amps, plates, or electrolites, what do u use as an electrolite.

thanks

[SmartScarecrow]

@tjcheem - the system I am using in this video has 72 plates, each 8"x8" and is powered by 120vAC @ about 12-15 amps ... typical production on that device is 8-12 lpm of cool clean HHO gas at about 80F temperature with NO potassium or steam leaving the system ... the electrolyte is a very mild mixture KOH and distilled water ...

[ford2high]

@SmartScarecrow are you just using straight hho to cut with

[SmartScarecrow]

@ford2high - yes ... the torch is burning just HHO ... 6-8 lpm of HHO gas is delivered to the .30 mig welding tip at roughly 5-7 psi to keep it from flashing back into the system ...

[ford2high]

@SmartScarecrow will i be able to get the same effect using a 12 volt car battery

[SmartScarecrow]

@ford2high - I am using between 1200 and 2000 watts of energy to produce the volumes of HHO gas I produce ... yes, you can do that with a 12 volt system but you are going to be pulling between 100 and 160 amps at such low voltage ... I have seen it done so its not impossible ... but takes a big honkin battery and some thick wire that I chose not to deal with ...

[ford2high]

@SmartScarecrow so i would need one of those boxes you have for the power

[ford2high]

@SmartScarecrow so i would need one of those power boxes you have

[SmartScarecrow]

@ford2high - that is up to you ... I find it is much simpler and less expensive to deal with 120v at 10a than 12v at 100a ... for me, a bridge rectifier setup with a couple smoothing capacitors was easy to construct and turned out to work quite well ... but there are many ways to get the job done ...

[ford2high]

@SmartScarecrow if you dont mind could you email me the details of what kind of bride rectifier and what kind of capaciters so i can build it cause i am wanting to make a torch for soldering and cutting. cdgray72@live.com thank you for your input and time chris

[dominicboisvert]

Maybe The holes of the berner should be smaller

[dominicboisvert]

did you ever try to convert a propane appliance to hho

[SmartScarecrow]

@dominicboisvert - typical propane appliances are designed to mix ambient air with the propane ... HHO dont require any extra air burn ...

I did try to use a camp stove with HHO ... tinkered with it for quire a while a couple years ago ... had only moderate success with it ... I think HHO in a heating or cooking application will require a radically different burner to work as expected ...

[markmil2002]

I was curious as to where you got that torch piece. It gave me an idea to spray HHO into my car rather than having various size bubble enter.

[SmartScarecrow]

the tip is a mig welding tip ... they can bbought in a variety of sizes ... for the torch, I like a .030 or .035 orafice ... the tube and valve are standard small plumbing parts bought at Home Depot ...

[SmartScarecrow]

I use a double bubbler setup ... trick is to use an orafice small enough so the velocity of gas at the tip is high enough to keep it from flashing back ... for 2 lpm use a .025, for 4 lpm use .030 ... as you get up into 6-8 lpm the larger .035-.050 tips are a lot of fun ...

[brittons06]

not bored at all. my wife thinks i am crazy being obsessed with these things.

[Eddiev1985]

Holy Smoke Batman!

Thats awesome!

Great work Scarecrow.

After many days of trial and error, I succeeded in getting a respectable flame.

@ 1 liter in 50 seconds I was able to burn my first can.

Just a 12 volt battery and about 40 to 50 amps.

Eddie

[SmartScarecrow]

yeah, I could not keep the torch lit when I ran my device at full output ... had to back off to about 8 lpm to keep for having the velocity of the gas at the tip blow out the flame ... I think that at 10 lpm or more, I need to go to a .060 orifice instead of the .030 I am using now ...

[yeskazglass]

do you know how hot that runs at? i have been trying to come up with a plan for a glass bowing torch.

yeska

[SmartScarecrow]

the HHO torch seems to automatically adjust its temperature based on the material you are hitting ... I know it will turn brick into a molten glass like substance and that it cuts through steel and even tungstun like butter ... to vaporize tungstun takes 3500F I think ... so it can get plenty hot enough to turn glass beads into a liquid ...

[Mastahscott]

is this s series cell or parallel cell and are you using lye or something' What voltage and amperage?

Thanks

Scott

[SmartScarecrow]

My electrolyser is a series cell based on the Tero Ranta design but is heavily modified ... it consists of 72 316L plates in an 8" x 8" form factor ... it is powered off rectified 120vAC ... typically the electrolyser consumes 1200-2000 watts of power and produces between 5 and 10 lpm of gas ... efficiencies on the device range from a high of 5.5 mmw at moderate settings to a low of 4.5 mmw when I am running it hard ...

[RayBthesecond]

So why isn't anybody working on a hot water heating system with HHO,smart scarecrow?I would much rather avoid that fueloil truck backing down my driveway 10 times a winter.

[SmartScarecrow]

its easier to do hot water with a plasma device ... its being done in the lab now ... very effective, very efficient ... EBN might make a system available commercially by next winter ... sorry, but I dont think we can figure out how to make it safe for average Joe to operate before then ... so you are going to have to make it through one more winter with conventioanal heat ... we are working on it but we only got so much man power and money ...

[farroff]

where are the plans for that torch!I got to have me one!

[SmartScarecrow]

The torch was made for me as special favor by a fellow who posts videos here on YouTube as D3ADP001. When I first saw his video about he built it and what it could do I had much the same reaction as you. Now that I have one, I realize its really a very simple design that be put together with small plumging fittings available from Home Depot. Toughest thing is cutting the thread for the .030 mig welder tip in the screw on end cap. Valve on torch is critical! Turn off torch at that valve!

[sc6chuck9]

But you didn't answer his question as to where can we get plans ? I too would love to make one!

[SmartScarecrow]

I dont think there are any published plans for it as such ... if I was to decide to build myself one, I would head up to home depot and dig throuh the plumbing small parts rack until I found me some parts that looked suitable ... the ball valve is the most expensive item so I would pick that out first and make sure my tube, tip and barb fittings fit that piece of it ... then drill and tap a screw on end piece to accept the mig welder tip ... D3ADP001 did do an assembly video on the process ...

[crazzieg]

SS That is awsome..if you take a small chunk of lime like you use in concrete and hit it with that tourch it will make the brightest light you have ever seen (Thus the phrase Lime light)its neet.

[SmartScarecrow]

that sounds interesting ... I have some lime I used in the garden but it is granulated ... supect what would be really interesting would be some limestone rocks ... think know where can get me some ... have been a bit hesitant to hit rocks with the torch after having one of them explode on me but I am wearing reasonable safety gear so should be ok ...

[HHOdude]

Has any one told you today, you're awesome! I sure enjoy watching all of your videos what a great source of information. I just finished building a D3 torch can't wait to melt cans tomorrow lol. Got my poorboy 4nx4 cell installed in my car and have started on new cell I will post some more videos soon of my progress take care.

[SmartScarecrow]

you sir, are my inspriation ... I so admire your ability to craft usefull creations from stuff that others might consider junk ... this is in the highest tradition of the art of building ... be well and just build it !!!

[shamansays]

Man, you werent kidding about the jedi light saber!I heard somewhere that if you bubble it through actetone it will cool it off enough to not burn the metal and actually cut it.

[SmartScarecrow]

hmmmmm ... had not heard of that one ... will try it in the next week or so and see ... but suspect would not cool it any more than now going through my 2 bubblers ... though the acetone vapors might add some color to the flame ... I am looking for greens ... LOL ...

[superbee1970]

To get a green flame, need a lil copper in the mix. maybe throw some pennies in the bubbler? I bet you've seen green water from using copper for connectors or wires in the bubbler, that green flame wouldbe perty. Maybe burn some copper w/ the torch? Wouldn't burn penny on cam, is destruction of money, which is a crime I believe... maybe burn some copper wire or something?? Great torch! BTW, aluminum melts at 1220 F, and boils at 4472 F. Now TUNGSTEN, THAT melts at like 3,400 F! Melt THAT! T

[SmartScarecrow]

hehehe ... d3adp001 already did use his to slice through tungsten. But if you insist, next time I am at Home Depot, will pick up some tungsten welding rods just so I can do it. Think the aluminum cans will still turn out to be more fun though.

On he green flame, I tried to suspend a piece of copper wire in the flame but it is consumed so fast, that the green flame just dont get caught on film. If I could find a volatile liquid for the bubbler whose vapors burn green, that would be cool.

[warjon]

Holy Crap !!!

[SmartScarecrow]

well, I'm not 100% certain, but I think I will take that as a compliment ... thanks ...

[higherpoweredh2o]

looks like way too much fun. Have a tungsten electrode from tig welder by chance? That would be interesting. Good job keep it up

[SmartScarecrow]

the darn thing is so impressive that I have signed up for a welding course at the local community college here to get a little training in how to use it properly ... its such a great tool, I would like to like to try some practical applications ... but I still think slicing an aluminum can in half will be some of the most fun you can have with your clothes still on ...

[jdcmusicman]

Pretty nice little torch there .looks like you were having a blast with it lol.Looking to make me one soon as I build me a bigger fuel cell.

[SmartScarecrow]

one of the EBN R&D guys who posts videos on YouTube as d3adp001 made the torch for me ... its really a pretty simple device and can easily be reproduced using parts that are available at Home Depot or Lowe's ... I like the .030 mig tip but had trouble with too much gas velocity when I cranked my electrolyser up all the way ... had to back off on output a bit ... with my setup, think I need a .045 tip ... will be looking for one for next torch video ...

[pat1huey]

Them cans might as well be made of butter. Wonder how much voltage you could read off that tip and a piece of metal?

[SmartScarecrow]

yeah, if we ever get invaded by aluminum cans from outter space, I am ready for them ... bring 'em on !!!

I could kill a whole day doing nothing but just playing with this darn torch and testing it against various materials ... it is an awsome use of HHO ...