@ StompingRabbits You said it, when they have no facts, resort to personal attacks. Damn these arguments are so old and stale. Truth is they have no freaking idea what he is even referring to. Wait! since brcjacks knows the bible verbatim, perhaps he can "enlighten" us w/his knowledge of what a christian is suppose to do. No wait a sec, maybe brcjacks should pick one up once and read it. If you can't dazzle them w/brilliance, baffle them w/bullshit.
Geeezus - the comments on his video just remind me of what is wrong with America! On one hand you have 'racist' (religionist?) Rethuglicans agreeing w/ this dumbass West. And then on the other you have racist Muslims saying that they are gonna take over the world and that Xtianity is fvcked!
If a Christian were to follow the bible verbatim he would be just as intolerant and barbaric as a Muslim extremist. Fortunately for us, most of the Christians in the US lack the commitment, motivation and backbone to actually follow their book to the letter. When confronted with this they always reply the same, "I don't claim to be a perfect Christian but I'm trying" Really?!? Please don't, just follow nod your head up and down when your preacher quotes niceties from the bible.
"secure western civilization" yeah cos framing it in East. Vs. West terms is REALLY helpful you fucking traitor. Allen West is a fucking traitor to our country and Ron Paul needs to kick his ass. Ron paul is the ONLY Republican candidate who has served in wartime. Im sorry but "Col." Allen West just sat his ass at a desk while the real soldiers fought. Thats fucking bullshit. I served in the military too, though i was never deployed and as a result i dont fucking talk about it.
everybody knew the answer. Only Allen was willing to tell the truth; no matter how unpopular. Godbless you sir. Shame on the two sitting next to Allen. They had their arms on Allen s Back until he started speaking the truth. As soon as he started naming the enemy as is necessary in any war, these two (non)gentlemen remove their hands - body language saying they don't want any of this truth. It's too truthful for the times we live in Today. Don't you know Obama's views? Don't u know who is obama?
I still think Allen West is a tool but hie is correct about religion. You need to understand that when people follow their religious text, such as the Koran or the Bible, you are going to see some pretty horrific things. Yes, these books orders it's followers to kill the non-believers and many other heinous things.
@brcjacks This guy's a fucking idiot. I love how he aligns himself with ppl like germanic knights that would have killed his black ancestors. This guy geezus...
@StigRossi "aligns himself"??? Idiots like you are the problem with America today.
He reported a historical fact. Nothing more, nothing less.
Your comment is the same as condemning someone for mentioning that the holocaust happened. Of course, as a paulbot, you probably love iran (deliberately not capitalized), and maybe even believe THEIR idiocy in denying the holocaust happened.
I love Allen West. This is Allen West saying what Islam really is. The "radicals" are NOT perverting the koran. They are doing exactly what the koran tells them to. Notice at 1:54 into the video, when West becomes politically incorrect, how the gentlemen on either side of him simultaneously remove their arms from behind his chair and begin to distance themselves from him.
Except those who seek refuge with a people between whom and you there is a covenant, or (those who) come unto you because their hearts forbid them to make war on you or make war on their own folk. Had Allah willed He could have given them power over you so that assuredly they would have fought you. So, if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace, Allah alloweth you no way against them. (90) An Nisa, Al Quran
Stop the national vanity now! People of the world, let's unite! Money= moneyplay= moneypulation= manipulation. When we take money away and give wealth to all, we end that terrible money-play.
SHARIA= MURDER! And we have to treat it that way, now. It's our duty to protect dignity.
@globalfirm The big 3. Judaism, Christianity & Islam all have murderous records. Religion is the leading cause of mayhem in the world. You can have it!
The source and destiny of law is love, law is not statutes.
Muslims have a genuine interest that you don't know about true islam. People get lured by muslims with love just to find out later that they are trapped now in hate and it's neither they suppress people to sharia or get oppressed by sharia.
I always forget how difficult it is to have a civil discussion on YouTube. But this Allen West is the same one who is telling people to get the hell out of America if they disagree with Republicans...so I guess that would be the sentiment of people who like his rancor.
Look at all the cities in the United States of America which bear Christian names and know that there was aggression against Native Americans in the name of the Christian God. Really read the BIBLE & see how aggression can be substantiated by that holy book too. There are many Muslims ardently attempting to stop this definition of Islam. It is not correct & it is hypocritical of Christians to perpetuate this. Read Psalm 137:9 as an example. This man does not know the path to peace, nor history.
@imjeezsayin: The replies of people like you are astonishing. Who feeds you this crap? You act like all aggression in history is all the same. The pilgrims coming to America is just as bad as Hitler killing the Jews? We came in peace; the American Indian attacked us. I'm a Bible/Gospel believing Christian. But I don't take Biblical passages out of context - like you did. You're looking for any venue to spew you lunacy. Go to the lunacy boards for that.
@dave0mary Your attack on me is typical. The thing I'm pointing out is that you can't call all Muslims terrorists based on the real terrorists mis-using their holy book anymore than you can call all Christians terrorist based on ms-use of The Bible.
You're the one all over the place furthermore you don't set the parameters, the antics of the Islamic Indonesian Army in E. Timor is a prime example of Muslims following the example of their 7th Century "Prophet." Watch your argument as it goes from weak to ridiculous !
@StompingRabbits You are a complete twit. The Indonesian army is not an "Islamic" army - not then nor now. The justification for the invasion of Timor Leste had nothing to do with 7th century Arabia. It was based on nationalism, resources, and the supposed threat of communist Fretilin. And the invasion was given tacit support by the US! Religion had absolutely nothing to do with it, or the Indonesian army. Please, please, please read a published book on the topic.
@ludwigau1 Your momma is a twit, Indonesia is the world's most populous majority Muslim country in the world. The overwhelmingly vast majority of the armed forces has to be Muslim and you would be hard pressed to find one single high ranking non-Muslim officer in the Indonesian Army! It is a DE FACTO Islamic army! Read up on how they attacked East Timor for it's Catholicism. Read how the brave (lol) Muslim officers divided up the women as spoils of war like chattel! You dicknose!
@StompingRabbits Are you REALLY that stupid? If the vast majority of the population is Muslim, then the vast majority of the army will be Muslim. Derrr. "you would be hard pressed to find one single high ranking non-Muslim officer in the Indonesian Army". Oh really? It took me 10 seconds to find a Christian Indonesian General: Lt General Johny Lumintang, who was DEPUTY ARMY CHEIF OF STAFF ... and has been charged with war crimes in East Timor! BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
@ludwigau1 - No shit Sherlock, which leads us back to my point that the Indonesian Army is a DE FACTO ISLAMIC ARMY! General Lumintag was in charge of the Indonesian strategic reserves and he was removed from that position 17 hours after he was appointed for being a CHRISTIAN!!! - You and the rest of your ilk who try to whitewash Islam are a bunch of sickos! - Bwaaahahahahaha!
@janetpify I'm not whitewashing terrorism in the name of Islam....but stating the same should not be done w/the parts of history that are shameful to Christianity. There have been huge campaigns in Christian history to kill people who would not profess allegiance to Christ. I know American Muslims who are ashamed of the terrorism and The Taliban,etc. All Christians are not the same nor are all Muslims. Manifest Destiny probably looked as bad to the Native Americans that were slain.
"I'm not whitewashing terrorism in the name of Islam....but stating the same should not be done w/the parts of history that are shameful to Christianity."
U missed the point. islamic terrorism/ ideology/religion/cult is NOT a new phenomenon. Nothing is moderate in islam.
The Bible isn't devoid of violence; Chrisitans & Jews have done bad things based on the Bible BUT in the main, Judaeo-Christian culture EVOLVED moved into the 21C, while islam languishes in the 7th C.
Ur an idiot. To claim that the Islam of Indonesia is the same of Arabia is nonsense. Basically only Arabian/Pakistani/Afghani (I count Egypt and Libya as part of the Arab world) Muslims are terrorists. Muslims in Indonesia, the Phillipenes, Malaysia aren't interested in this suicide bombing nonsense (which was started by Sri Lankan Tamil Hindus btw)
@StigRossi - Oh bullshit! If we striped Islam of it's guise of religion what we would have left would be a totalitarian political ideology that we would be no more obliged to tolerate or respect then NAZISM!
@ludwigau1 - Your mother is stupid, Johny Lumintang was appointed head of the Kostrad (Indonesian army reserves) and removed a mere 17 hours later after somebody complained about a Christian being allowed in such a high position... Look it up dickhead! You're pathetic!
@ludwigau1 - You still make no mention of the Muslim officers wounding up the Christian women of E Timor and dividing them up amongst themselves as chattel but then again, why would you care? They where merely Muslims doing what they do best!!
@ludwigau1 - Religion had nothing to do with East Timor? Bwaahahahahaha! I noticed that you didn't bother to refute that the brave (roflmao) Muslim officers of Indonesian Army divided up the women of East Timor like private property! Only Muslims pull that shit and only an Islamic army would allow that! That would have been considered criminal by any Western Army. Isn't it a fact that most of those women, if not all of them, where never heard from again? You lilliputian you!
@StompingRabbits "Religion had nothing to do with East Timor?" Bring one quote from Suharto or any TNI General saying that it was. You won't find any. You can't bring a shread of evidence that it was about religion because there isn't any evidence. Come on. Bring something to the table other than your backwater, pig-ignorant bigotry. Go for it.
Yes ONLY Muslims in the Eastern world mistreat women? EVER been to India u fuckin idiot? Ever been to CHINA where they are technically atheist? How fucking stupid are you? Tell me. On a scale of 1-10 where 10 is sub-80 IQ and 1 is George W, how stupid r u?
@StigRossi Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
@StigRossi - Nope, Islam takes first place regarding misogynistic nonsense HANDS DOWN! Only in ISLAM can a 16 year old girl be executed for the "CRIME" of flirting! Only in Islam are there "honor" killings! Only in Islam can a man sell his prepubescent daughter to a pedophile and still call himself a man.
YOU ARE A GLITTERING JEWEL OF COLOSSAL IGNORANCE AND YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE ON TOP!
You're an idiot. No, you fucking shit for brains there are honour killings in HINDU INDIA TOO YOU IDIOT! PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE. WE WILL ALL BE HAPPY ONCE YOU DOWN THAT BOTTLE OF TYLENOL!
@StigRossi - Your momma is an idiot! Hindus don't do that shit in the West, Muslims do! I never heard any reports on Hindu honor killing, there are new Muslim honor killings all the time! I think you're so fucked up and completely brainwashed that you'll say anything to White wash Islam. Screw you!
Again: im not defending Islam, its really fucked up in many ways but I think its like the Rethuglican party: the party inherently isn't fucked necessarily, but a lot of the extremists tend to gravitate towards that party for some reason, a lot of the anti-gays and religious nuts, the creationists and such.
Same w/ Islam: most Muslims are good law-abiding helpful citizens, its that relatively small minority that fks it up
@StigRossi - In my opinion a single "honor" killing is a single honor killing too much! There have been several in America and Canada in the last few years. I suppose you're comfortable with them huh Smegmabreath?
Oh yea, and there are no "extremists" in the Democratic party? I got news for you smegmabreath, left wing extremists are in power in D.C. and have been since Hussein Obongo the usurper took office illegally. Fast & Furious makes Watergate look like Jay walking.
@StigRossi - Because he's not conclusively proven exactly what his lawful name is, that's why! When he releases a CERTIFIED birth certificate then we'll know who he is. Me? from Alabama? bwaaahahahaha! Wanna try Hell's Kitchen? NYC!
@StigRossi - I don't "have to call the President stupid names," I choose to because he chooses to conceal his true identity. When he releases a CERTIFIED birth certificate then I'll call him by his conclusively proven lawful name. Until then he's just Barry Soetoro Dunham Hussein Oboingo! The only thing necessary for correcting that would be a CERTIFIED identity document. Why do you suppose he conceals such things for dopey?
@StigRossi - I know he released an electronic PDF document purported to be his original birth certificate. I also know that both PDF documents and micro computers didn't exist in 1963. I know that the documents that where released have been widely discredited as forgeries by numerous experts and that none would stand up to forensic document examination. What I said is that Oboingo (or whatever his real name is) didn't release an original CERTIFIED long form birth certificate!
@StigRossi - Portable document formats (PDF) did not exist in 1963 as the micro-computer was decades away. The original hospital generated long from birth certificate with the embossed seal is what's not been released and it just happens to be that it's the only iron clad document that can conclusively prove his nativity story. It's impossible for a PDF document to be an original 1963 era hospital generated long form birth certificate. The real BC is half hand written and half typed!
@StigRossi - How much thin air did it take for you to arrive at the "small minority" statistic? Muslims are a small minority now, have a look at Britain and France where they are a large minority, report to me on their crime statistics there. Have a look at what's in America's future if we keep importing them in droves.
Hey Smegmabreath, if we striped Islam of the guise of religion what would be left would be a totalitarian political ideology just like NAZISM!
@StigRossi - Pointing out the fact that the Muslim rape crime statistics are off the scale in places in Western Europe like Oslo is not racism, it's a fact. If stating the truth makes me a "NAZI" in your opinion then so be it, idiot!
@ludwigau1 - I know, I know, the invasion of East Timor was merely a property dispute. The fact that it was a majority Catholic country had nothing to do with the invasion. Muslim countries just attack their non-Muslim neighbors everyplace they have non-Muslim neighbors just for shits and giggles....bwaaahahahaha!
@StompingRabbits "I know, the invasion of East Timor was merely a property dispute." Wrong again. Read a book. They are in libraries. It was about nationalism, resources and the alleged communist threat from Fretilin. (Remember, this was during the Cold War.) "Muslim countries just attack their non-Muslim neighbors everyplace " Wrong again. Who tried to take Muslim-Malaysia? Indonesia. Why? Because they were secret-Christians? You are pure ignorance in a bottle.
@ludwigau1 - Oh yes, "nothing to do with Arabia?" When the fuck did I mention Arabia? There are other Muslims besides the Arabic garden variety are there not? Yea, it had nothing to do with religion, is that why U.N. forces led by Australia had to intervene to stop the ethnic cleansing or wanton genocide being perpetrated by the brave Indonesians? I'm sure had East Timor been majority Muslim that the cleansing would have still taken place! How about you shoving a book up your ass?
@StompingRabbits "When the fuck did I mention Arabia?" Oh God. You're so dumb that you can't even remember what you were saying. To quote YOU: "The Indonesian reference is entirely relevant because when they divided up the women of East Timor as chattel or as you put it "war booty" they where following in the example set forth by Mo." Since you obviously don't know: "Mo" was an Arab from the Arabia in the 7th C.
I know exactly what "booty" means and women where indeed considered booty by Mo as they are today by Muslims in places like Indonesia. When the Indonesian Muslim army attacked the minority Indonesian Christians a few years ago they where said to have divided up the "captured" women like chattel. "Booty" can mean whatever you can loot. I never used the word "booty" out of context.
@Iammram - Are you trying to tell me that Mo didn't commit any rapes?
The Indonesian reference is entirely relevant because when they divided up the women of East Timor as chattel or as you put it "war booty" they where following in the example set forth by Mo.
Muslim Immigrants in Europe who see themselves as conquerors not immigrants are committing rapes at off the scale disproportionate rates against the indigenous European female population.
@Iammram - Women as a reward for victory in war? That's called "rape." It's what Mo did to captured women and it's what Muslims do today whether it's a victorious Muslim army like East Timor or a criminal Muslim rape brigade like what's happening with increasing frequency in places in Europe like Finland.
You're the one in need of seriousness here, no captured women look forward to being raped by their Muslim captors.
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME - He is a Colonel on the U.S. Army, hardly a "bootlicking Nigra, house trained and obedient." - You just can't handle any Black American who doesn't live on the Democratic plantation....
However,in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
It is certainly the Bible's principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy's side.If one wouldn't call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should they call it?
2-Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands:
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book!
I challenge any Jew or Christian to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims' Noble Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender).
So it's racist when white conservatives criticize Barak Obama, but it's not racist when white liberals criticize Allen West and Herman Cain??? Hypocrisy at its finest...
No - what would be racist would be for libs to call West "Uncle Tom" or a "house nigger" or something like that. NOT Criticizing his policies and beliefs. Same thing for cons criticizing Obama
Is there though? I don't know...I will say that black liberals who are anti-gay get a pass from other libs - that is hypocritical for sure. But otherwise, lets be honest now, the lion's share of the vitriol has come from the right wingers. I'm not saying that libs didn't say the same thing about Bush cos they did but I like to think there was reason for that what with all the wars and so forth.
That's just messed up!!! How is Islam about peace, it is about submission!!! Everyone needs to respect everyone!!! Follow who you want but God was not about thievery, rape or murder, incest or beastiality!!
Q:Let us ask Colonel Allen West who Mohammed was: A) a theif; B) a murderer C) a rapist D) all of the above. Answer: D, all of the above
Q: The Koran allows: A) sex with children; B) sex with animals (sheep, goats, etc); C) beating of a wife, but no striking above the shoulders; D) inbreeding; E) all of the above..Answer E) all of the above
@jst1674 See the excellent Youtube video of a brave Austrian MP telling the Turkish Ambassador to get the hell out of Europe and bring all the stone-age Muslims with him and the YT video is called:
First and foremost, you have to know and understand that while some so called Christians would do some of the things you are stating here, it is not the teaching of Jesus to do those things, on the other hand, it is the teaching of Mohamed (Islam) to kill non-muslims, so, your logic is invalid, face it, you call your religion: "a religion of peace' I call it a religion of "piece", because after a bomb blast, all we can find of an individual is a piece here and a piece there.
Q: Who is responsible for KILLING 10 MILLION in Congo: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible starting a illegal war against Iraq based on lies: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for putting God in the real estate business, murdering women man and children, building houses over their blood and dead skeletons, calling it Israel: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for creating secret societies such as Masons, The Order of Skull and Bones, The Rosicrucian, Order of the Temples of the East, Golden Dawn The Knights Templar (full name: The United Religious, Military and Masonic Orders of the Temple and of St John of Jerusalem, Palestine, Rhodes and Mal. Etc… to many more to list…: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Why Islam is not responsible for any of the above in any society?….. Because the Creator wanted it that way: "You are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in God" (Holy Qur'an; Surah 3:Ayah 110).
So, you believe you are perfect and the rest of us infidels, no wonder why your religion teaches you that you should kill us,... religion of peace... my b-tt.
@bjoojoo who is responsible for pedophilia, who is responsible for female subjugation and abuse, who is responsible for cutting peoples heads off,who is responsible for a cruel totalitarian, Theo-political system...MUSLIMS,and BTW check your history on the original North African slave trade...Historians estimate that between 10 and 18 million Africans were enslaved by Muslim slave traders and taken across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert between 650 and 1900.
Do u honestly believe that all the countries that purport to practise Islam are perfect? Do you think it just that women wear burqa and men dont have to? Come ON man!
"And remember when your Lord brought forth the children of Aadam from their loins their seed (or from aadams loins ,his offspring) and made them bear witness as to themselves saying "Am I not your Lord? They said : "Yes". We testify lest you say on the day of resurrection, verily we were unaware of this"
On his website, Allen West has a whole page dedicated to his Christian Zionist/dispensationalist view on Israel. When you read it you understand why Zionists lobby pays him and love him so much, he essentially takes a position squarely outside of the mainstream in both the Middle East and United States by stating he is against the “creation of a Palestinian state.”
I love how the others on the panel start dancing around the issue not wanting to give a direct answer, then all of a sudden the Colonel busts out and lays it down. I believe this man will stick true to his convictions and one day be a true leader in this country because really, Washington politicians live in the toilet. I love how they all, our joke of a president included, point a finger at Washington when they themselves are there. I know West is in Washington, but I hope he'll stay clean.
Truth is out Andhaira. Just remember this, once a human has tasted the love of freedom, you cant reverse it! Islam will NEVER dominate the world. It will eventually be a fad in history that was practiced by ignorant humans who realized that the religion is a cult of hate, destruction, and racism!
As a Muslim, I applaud this man. He is learned, he knows his history, and he also knows the inevitable that has been prophecized and promised in the Glorious Quran: Islam's victory over this world WILL happen, and it will be complete. One glorious day, all shall be Muslim in this world. Western civilization will be eradicated.
And there is absolutely NOTHING anyone can do to stop it. :)
@Andhaira How can you ever rule over the World if your children spend time learning the Qu'ran by heart in Madrassas instead of studying Science and Maths?
@Andhaira .. Hiya And(etc).. Let me say 1st off, I think you're a troll,.. but its fair game, & my beer's still cold.. so here goes..
"the People" who follow Islam.. dont worry 'who's' selling them an item, so long as they're accepted in 'that community',.. its no big deal.. where a Berka into Walmart, no one cares..
"the Govt's" who follow Islam.. we have special powers granted to us to cut your head off if you even maybe sort of almost show a tiny bit of 'Heresy'..
All of you talking about radical muslims still don't get it. It is muslim period. They all read the same Koran. Islam is not a peace loving religion. All muslims are required to kill infidels (non-muslims). It is not a sin for them to lie, kill, steal or do anything harmful to a non-muslim. They want to eventually rule the world and that means eliminating all infidels. Why do we have to be so PC about everything? Let's be straight forward and tell it like it is.
@Iammram Wrong. “Israel was officially established as a nation in 1948. But according to Islamic sacred tradition, it was roughly 1,300 years before that when Muhammad himself, the founder of Islam, declared the following prophecy: ‘The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, ‘O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’
@Iammram Most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels (non believers) of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. How many virgins is it you are supposed to have? Alot of muslims have admitted to this. You, as muslim are allowed to lie to me. Christians preach love, not hate and killing of other faiths.
I don't know why you got spammed for your comment. I didn't see your comment because of it but now I do.
No it wasn't. Pope Urban did not want Islam expanding the way it was, he tried to rally people by stating such and leaders didn't follow ( they didn't see it as a threat )
The war started when stories were made up coupled with If the Christians capture Jerusalem ( or go to it ) all sins will be removed.
That's in a nutshell, of course it's more extensive.
@Iammram You are forgeting to mention that in the Quran, the quran to abrogate a verse means to remove it, replace it by another verse or .... 1) The existence of abrogation is conflicting with other verses as: ...the latter versions supercede the earlier versions, thus allowing the believer to LIE!!! Yet tell the truth to the infidel, an example of which is called Taqiyya....cont
Actually I didn't forget. The whole abrogation issue became an issue to those who think they got something against the Qur'an, not realizing what it's even mentioned for in the first place.
(goto 1:50:25 in the video)
/watch?v=BT_yGgPYuZA
As for Taqiyya, that is another misunderstood term as well. Here is the explanation.
/watch?v=Iz1GeyWuC18
I know who fed that information to you ( Gellar & Spencer )
My advice, the same way you came across them, try finding the truth as well.
@Iammram Tell me what part I stated, that is untrue. The abrogation is true...the verses of the quran prove it! Al-Kaffirun 109, which expresses great tolerance for the kaffir (unbelievers):While at-Tawba 9:5 certainly expresses a much different approach and attitude toward unbelieversOnce again we're back to "misunderstanding"...which is what is used to cloud the truth and gain control over the infidel.
9:5 is also dealing with "war" or in times of war/conflict/hypocrites ( who say one thing and do another ), you would see that if you read from the beginning where it speaks on "treaties"
Before then, the Muslims didn't fight, they were tortured, oppressed, etc.
Look to the next verse that states to grant protection to those who seek it.
This is why, I'm sure you have heard, that it's important to read things "in context"
@Iammram With all due respect.... after 1400 years of this nonsense, if we still need an interpreter to translate Islam's motives from conflicting verses in their book....then there's an issue. I'm exhausted from the moral equivalence argument with Islam and other religions, since Islam is the only one with followers strapping bombs to themselves...subjugating their women and comitting condoned pedophelia by marrying off underaged girls....just to name a few. Good day.
@Iammram Whats your excuse for their treatment of homosexuals? This I gotta hear! Or the condoning of Pedophelia? Once again, moral equivolence of a systematic subjugation of women who are considered property and of less value than man, to prostitution which exists in all segmants of any society, but I will grant you on a lower scale in Islam...beacause they face DEATH by stoning. And don't get me started on how rape VICTIMS are treated! But you'll have another subversive retort! CONT..
The part of violence, making it look like it means in general when it is specific to something instead.
As for homosexuals, they can be as gay as the rainbow, just not doing their business in public ( which in turn goes for everyone ) and I don't think you'd disagree with that.
Pedophilia is a modern term, this didn't exist in those days. Marriages of that level were common, especially among bedouin societies, even Europe kings had young wives.
@Iammram First and foremost my "two cents" is fact based, not biased and it is part of the broarder subject, last I checked we all belong to the human race, no matter our faith! Second your response to homosexuality was weak at best. Whether I condone their behavior or not, I find no excuse for their execution...NONE! Sharia is a part of Islam, thus encapsulates the backward thinking of the culture in general. Do you honestly believe, Islam is not in need for a 21 century reformation?
@Iammram 9 years old in any era is pedophelia! Nuff said!All your rhetoric skates around every issue.You didn't answer how public homosexuality deserves death or if Sharia Law is barbaric you respond it doesn't apply to non muslims so that makes it ok. Once again the subjugation is up for interpretation, yet Muslim men interpret it the way I explain it! It's ironic, you have all the PC answers yet I am showing how it's put into practice today. Your mask is off,I know,I'm out of context.
lol No it's not. Using countries today that were made through Western Imperialism with puppet leaders doesn't help your case. Most scholars reject a lot of these countries ( example: Saudi Arabia )
"I know I'm out of context"
Atleast learn something...Take the time to look at the links and the video(s) I put forth for yourself, it's not going to bite you.
They can do better than us going back and forth like this.
@Iammram you must be a politician or a dancer, because you got some good moves, I must admit. You dance around every issue, turn the subject back to me, instead of answering obvious questions.We ALL share the same DNA, that's the humanity part! I am no secularist I am aperson of faith and that faith is personal to me. There are certain things that fall under "natural law" and what goes on under the guise of religion today is appalling and no religion has broken that law more than Islam.
There isn't a single issue I danced around, I even went further to provide links and sources to back up everything. I am showing you the sky is blue with clouds and you seem to see pink purple blue yellow and green somehow
"I am no secularist I am a person of faith, certain things fall under natural law, etc"
Then you are assuming, as a person of faith that God has no control over that law, then you have a problem my friend
again, look into the links, stop dragging this or inbox me
@Iammram I'll let it go. You seem like a nice enough fellow...we just disagree! No need to inbox, my views will never change and I don't believe yours will. Thank God we can exchange views without fear of retribution...there are many places in this world where we can't!
@Iammram The Qur'an says that "men are in charge of women because Allah has made one of them (men) to excel the other (women), thus man's superiority over women . . . good women are the obedient ones . . . admonish the rebellious women and banish them, and scourge them (whip them severely to inflict pain) (4:34) . . . smote them (hit or strike with the hand or with a weapon causing pain, beat them . . . (4:62)".
@Iammram As for rape, you pick one Taliban story when there are hundreds of those where if a woman cannot produce 4 male witnesses, then she is punished. I loved how you diverted the pedophelia question to that of early history...well many things condoned 800 years ago are rightfully now considerd barbaric, and no longer practiced since we evolved as a society! So show me where TODAY,outside of Islamic nations, these practices take place.
@Iammram al-Kaffirun 109, "Say, O ye misbelievers!I do not serve what ye serve; nor will ye serve what I serve;nor will I serve what ye serve;nor will ye serve what I serve;-ye have your religion, and I have my religion!" Tawba 9:5 But when the sacred months are passed away, kill the idolaters wherever ye may find them; and take them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in every place of observation....
@Iammram Taqiyya...."lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them."
@Iammram lol I don't have to win agains the Quran. Islam is a satanic cult and is irrelevant. I have already won with faith in Jesus Christ. You can use examples of fanaticism from both religions. But, one constant remains and that is the Islamic belief of killing all infidels in the name of Jihaad. Real Christians do preach love and they accept you for who you are. You have no room to talk about hate you should look at Islamic beliefs.
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Fantastic answer by Allen West!
The Mohammedan Manchuran Islamic liar Barack Hussein Obama should be thrown out and replaced by Allen West!
Eternalpaolo 2 days ago
@StigRossi Yeah, I'm telling you that all good people of conscience are against gay marriage and are for creationism.
boingtronic 4 days ago
@ StompingRabbits You said it, when they have no facts, resort to personal attacks. Damn these arguments are so old and stale. Truth is they have no freaking idea what he is even referring to. Wait! since brcjacks knows the bible verbatim, perhaps he can "enlighten" us w/his knowledge of what a christian is suppose to do. No wait a sec, maybe brcjacks should pick one up once and read it. If you can't dazzle them w/brilliance, baffle them w/bullshit.
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StompingRabbits 5 days ago
Geeezus - the comments on his video just remind me of what is wrong with America! On one hand you have 'racist' (religionist?) Rethuglicans agreeing w/ this dumbass West. And then on the other you have racist Muslims saying that they are gonna take over the world and that Xtianity is fvcked!
StigRossi 1 week ago
If a Christian were to follow the bible verbatim he would be just as intolerant and barbaric as a Muslim extremist. Fortunately for us, most of the Christians in the US lack the commitment, motivation and backbone to actually follow their book to the letter. When confronted with this they always reply the same, "I don't claim to be a perfect Christian but I'm trying" Really?!? Please don't, just follow nod your head up and down when your preacher quotes niceties from the bible.
brcjacks 1 week ago 2
"secure western civilization" yeah cos framing it in East. Vs. West terms is REALLY helpful you fucking traitor. Allen West is a fucking traitor to our country and Ron Paul needs to kick his ass. Ron paul is the ONLY Republican candidate who has served in wartime. Im sorry but "Col." Allen West just sat his ass at a desk while the real soldiers fought. Thats fucking bullshit. I served in the military too, though i was never deployed and as a result i dont fucking talk about it.
StigRossi 1 week ago
An honest politician. What's the country coming to? :)
barbbtx 2 weeks ago 2
Convicted war criminal Allen West being pro more war crimes? Shocking!
zegermans750 2 weeks ago
Brainwashed zionist whore traitors like West are a threat to national security.
FuhrerVonFreiberg 2 weeks ago
everybody knew the answer. Only Allen was willing to tell the truth; no matter how unpopular. Godbless you sir. Shame on the two sitting next to Allen. They had their arms on Allen s Back until he started speaking the truth. As soon as he started naming the enemy as is necessary in any war, these two (non)gentlemen remove their hands - body language saying they don't want any of this truth. It's too truthful for the times we live in Today. Don't you know Obama's views? Don't u know who is obama?
lambuponthethrone 3 weeks ago 8
I still think Allen West is a tool but hie is correct about religion. You need to understand that when people follow their religious text, such as the Koran or the Bible, you are going to see some pretty horrific things. Yes, these books orders it's followers to kill the non-believers and many other heinous things.
brcjacks 3 weeks ago
@brcjacks This guy's a fucking idiot. I love how he aligns himself with ppl like germanic knights that would have killed his black ancestors. This guy geezus...
StigRossi 1 week ago
@StigRossi "aligns himself"??? Idiots like you are the problem with America today.
He reported a historical fact. Nothing more, nothing less.
Your comment is the same as condemning someone for mentioning that the holocaust happened. Of course, as a paulbot, you probably love iran (deliberately not capitalized), and maybe even believe THEIR idiocy in denying the holocaust happened.
TheRealSimpleSimon 1 week ago
@TheRealSimpleSimon
Right. Anyway, WEst is a tool. End of.
StigRossi 1 week ago
I love Allen West. This is Allen West saying what Islam really is. The "radicals" are NOT perverting the koran. They are doing exactly what the koran tells them to. Notice at 1:54 into the video, when West becomes politically incorrect, how the gentlemen on either side of him simultaneously remove their arms from behind his chair and begin to distance themselves from him.
JJesenovec 3 weeks ago 7
@JJesenovec
Fair enough, they are taking the most extreme elements of their religion and follow it. Isn't the Old Testament violent as well?
StigRossi 1 week ago
Except those who seek refuge with a people between whom and you there is a covenant, or (those who) come unto you because their hearts forbid them to make war on you or make war on their own folk. Had Allah willed He could have given them power over you so that assuredly they would have fought you. So, if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace, Allah alloweth you no way against them. (90) An Nisa, Al Quran
kpnsm 3 weeks ago
Stop the national vanity now! People of the world, let's unite! Money= moneyplay= moneypulation= manipulation. When we take money away and give wealth to all, we end that terrible money-play.
SHARIA= MURDER! And we have to treat it that way, now. It's our duty to protect dignity.
globalfirm 4 weeks ago
@globalfirm The big 3. Judaism, Christianity & Islam all have murderous records. Religion is the leading cause of mayhem in the world. You can have it!
Loejyrrab 2 weeks ago 2
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@Loejyrrab I'm with you brother.
The source and destiny of law is love, law is not statutes.
Muslims have a genuine interest that you don't know about true islam. People get lured by muslims with love just to find out later that they are trapped now in hate and it's neither they suppress people to sharia or get oppressed by sharia.
globalfirm 1 week ago
I always forget how difficult it is to have a civil discussion on YouTube. But this Allen West is the same one who is telling people to get the hell out of America if they disagree with Republicans...so I guess that would be the sentiment of people who like his rancor.
imjeezsayin 1 month ago
Look at all the cities in the United States of America which bear Christian names and know that there was aggression against Native Americans in the name of the Christian God. Really read the BIBLE & see how aggression can be substantiated by that holy book too. There are many Muslims ardently attempting to stop this definition of Islam. It is not correct & it is hypocritical of Christians to perpetuate this. Read Psalm 137:9 as an example. This man does not know the path to peace, nor history.
imjeezsayin 1 month ago
@imjeezsayin: The replies of people like you are astonishing. Who feeds you this crap? You act like all aggression in history is all the same. The pilgrims coming to America is just as bad as Hitler killing the Jews? We came in peace; the American Indian attacked us. I'm a Bible/Gospel believing Christian. But I don't take Biblical passages out of context - like you did. You're looking for any venue to spew you lunacy. Go to the lunacy boards for that.
dave0mary 1 month ago
@dave0mary Your attack on me is typical. The thing I'm pointing out is that you can't call all Muslims terrorists based on the real terrorists mis-using their holy book anymore than you can call all Christians terrorist based on ms-use of The Bible.
imjeezsayin 1 month ago
@daveOmary There was plenty of aggression against the Native American people in the name of Christianity via Manifest Destiny.
imjeezsayin 1 month ago
@imjeezsayin if you think the manifest Destiny was bad...you aint seen nothin like Islam.
janetpify 1 month ago
You're the one all over the place furthermore you don't set the parameters, the antics of the Islamic Indonesian Army in E. Timor is a prime example of Muslims following the example of their 7th Century "Prophet." Watch your argument as it goes from weak to ridiculous !
StompingRabbits 1 month ago
@StompingRabbits You are a complete twit. The Indonesian army is not an "Islamic" army - not then nor now. The justification for the invasion of Timor Leste had nothing to do with 7th century Arabia. It was based on nationalism, resources, and the supposed threat of communist Fretilin. And the invasion was given tacit support by the US! Religion had absolutely nothing to do with it, or the Indonesian army. Please, please, please read a published book on the topic.
ludwigau1 1 month ago
@ludwigau1 Your momma is a twit, Indonesia is the world's most populous majority Muslim country in the world. The overwhelmingly vast majority of the armed forces has to be Muslim and you would be hard pressed to find one single high ranking non-Muslim officer in the Indonesian Army! It is a DE FACTO Islamic army! Read up on how they attacked East Timor for it's Catholicism. Read how the brave (lol) Muslim officers divided up the women as spoils of war like chattel! You dicknose!
StompingRabbits 1 month ago
@StompingRabbits Are you REALLY that stupid? If the vast majority of the population is Muslim, then the vast majority of the army will be Muslim. Derrr. "you would be hard pressed to find one single high ranking non-Muslim officer in the Indonesian Army". Oh really? It took me 10 seconds to find a Christian Indonesian General: Lt General Johny Lumintang, who was DEPUTY ARMY CHEIF OF STAFF ... and has been charged with war crimes in East Timor! BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
ludwigau1 1 month ago
@ludwigau1 - No shit Sherlock, which leads us back to my point that the Indonesian Army is a DE FACTO ISLAMIC ARMY! General Lumintag was in charge of the Indonesian strategic reserves and he was removed from that position 17 hours after he was appointed for being a CHRISTIAN!!! - You and the rest of your ilk who try to whitewash Islam are a bunch of sickos! - Bwaaahahahahaha!
StompingRabbits 1 month ago
@StompingRabbits whitewashing Islam is part of stealth jihad.
janetpify 1 month ago
@janetpify I'm not whitewashing terrorism in the name of Islam....but stating the same should not be done w/the parts of history that are shameful to Christianity. There have been huge campaigns in Christian history to kill people who would not profess allegiance to Christ. I know American Muslims who are ashamed of the terrorism and The Taliban,etc. All Christians are not the same nor are all Muslims. Manifest Destiny probably looked as bad to the Native Americans that were slain.
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Lagolop 3 weeks ago
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@imjeezsayin
"I'm not whitewashing terrorism in the name of Islam....but stating the same should not be done w/the parts of history that are shameful to Christianity."
U missed the point. islamic terrorism/ ideology/religion/cult is NOT a new phenomenon. Nothing is moderate in islam.
The Bible isn't devoid of violence; Chrisitans & Jews have done bad things based on the Bible BUT in the main, Judaeo-Christian culture EVOLVED moved into the 21C, while islam languishes in the 7th C.
Lagolop 3 weeks ago
@janetpify ....sorry, I just now see you were addressing someone else in this post and me in another....but my answer applies to the other as well.
imjeezsayin 1 month ago
@StompingRabbits
Ur an idiot. To claim that the Islam of Indonesia is the same of Arabia is nonsense. Basically only Arabian/Pakistani/Afghani (I count Egypt and Libya as part of the Arab world) Muslims are terrorists. Muslims in Indonesia, the Phillipenes, Malaysia aren't interested in this suicide bombing nonsense (which was started by Sri Lankan Tamil Hindus btw)
StigRossi 1 week ago
@StigRossi - Oh bullshit! If we striped Islam of it's guise of religion what we would have left would be a totalitarian political ideology that we would be no more obliged to tolerate or respect then NAZISM!
StompingRabbits 1 week ago
@StompingRabbits
U mean like Christianity? right okay cool bro. Or Judaism Zionism?
StigRossi 1 week ago
@ludwigau1 - Your mother is stupid, Johny Lumintang was appointed head of the Kostrad (Indonesian army reserves) and removed a mere 17 hours later after somebody complained about a Christian being allowed in such a high position... Look it up dickhead! You're pathetic!
StompingRabbits 1 month ago
@ludwigau1 - You still make no mention of the Muslim officers wounding up the Christian women of E Timor and dividing them up amongst themselves as chattel but then again, why would you care? They where merely Muslims doing what they do best!!
YOU ARE A FLAMING DOUCHEBAG!
StompingRabbits 1 month ago
@ludwigau1 - Religion had nothing to do with East Timor? Bwaahahahahaha! I noticed that you didn't bother to refute that the brave (roflmao) Muslim officers of Indonesian Army divided up the women of East Timor like private property! Only Muslims pull that shit and only an Islamic army would allow that! That would have been considered criminal by any Western Army. Isn't it a fact that most of those women, if not all of them, where never heard from again? You lilliputian you!
StompingRabbits 1 month ago
@StompingRabbits "Religion had nothing to do with East Timor?" Bring one quote from Suharto or any TNI General saying that it was. You won't find any. You can't bring a shread of evidence that it was about religion because there isn't any evidence. Come on. Bring something to the table other than your backwater, pig-ignorant bigotry. Go for it.
ludwigau1 1 month ago
@StompingRabbits
Yes ONLY Muslims in the Eastern world mistreat women? EVER been to India u fuckin idiot? Ever been to CHINA where they are technically atheist? How fucking stupid are you? Tell me. On a scale of 1-10 where 10 is sub-80 IQ and 1 is George W, how stupid r u?
StigRossi 1 week ago
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@StigRossi Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 6 days ago
@StigRossi - Nope, Islam takes first place regarding misogynistic nonsense HANDS DOWN! Only in ISLAM can a 16 year old girl be executed for the "CRIME" of flirting! Only in Islam are there "honor" killings! Only in Islam can a man sell his prepubescent daughter to a pedophile and still call himself a man.
YOU ARE A GLITTERING JEWEL OF COLOSSAL IGNORANCE AND YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE ON TOP!
StompingRabbits 5 days ago
@StompingRabbits
You're an idiot. No, you fucking shit for brains there are honour killings in HINDU INDIA TOO YOU IDIOT! PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE. WE WILL ALL BE HAPPY ONCE YOU DOWN THAT BOTTLE OF TYLENOL!
StigRossi 5 days ago
@StigRossi - Your momma is an idiot! Hindus don't do that shit in the West, Muslims do! I never heard any reports on Hindu honor killing, there are new Muslim honor killings all the time! I think you're so fucked up and completely brainwashed that you'll say anything to White wash Islam. Screw you!
StompingRabbits 5 days ago
@StompingRabbits
There aren't that many honor killings dumbass.
Again: im not defending Islam, its really fucked up in many ways but I think its like the Rethuglican party: the party inherently isn't fucked necessarily, but a lot of the extremists tend to gravitate towards that party for some reason, a lot of the anti-gays and religious nuts, the creationists and such.
Same w/ Islam: most Muslims are good law-abiding helpful citizens, its that relatively small minority that fks it up
StigRossi 5 days ago
@StigRossi - In my opinion a single "honor" killing is a single honor killing too much! There have been several in America and Canada in the last few years. I suppose you're comfortable with them huh Smegmabreath?
Oh yea, and there are no "extremists" in the Democratic party? I got news for you smegmabreath, left wing extremists are in power in D.C. and have been since Hussein Obongo the usurper took office illegally. Fast & Furious makes Watergate look like Jay walking.
StompingRabbits 5 days ago
@StompingRabbits
WHy do you have to call the president names?
Are you that fucking stupid that u believe he's muslim shit for brains?
What state do you live in? Lemme guess: ur one of those retarded red staters. Oooh no wait, u live in the MOST retarded of ALL Red States: ALABAMA!
StigRossi 5 days ago
@StigRossi - Because he's not conclusively proven exactly what his lawful name is, that's why! When he releases a CERTIFIED birth certificate then we'll know who he is. Me? from Alabama? bwaaahahahaha! Wanna try Hell's Kitchen? NYC!
StompingRabbits 4 days ago
@StigRossi - I don't "have to call the President stupid names," I choose to because he chooses to conceal his true identity. When he releases a CERTIFIED birth certificate then I'll call him by his conclusively proven lawful name. Until then he's just Barry Soetoro Dunham Hussein Oboingo! The only thing necessary for correcting that would be a CERTIFIED identity document. Why do you suppose he conceals such things for dopey?
StompingRabbits 4 days ago
@StompingRabbits
The long form birth certificate was released. Furhter, his last name isn't Oboingo :rolleyes:
StigRossi 4 days ago
@StigRossi - I know he released an electronic PDF document purported to be his original birth certificate. I also know that both PDF documents and micro computers didn't exist in 1963. I know that the documents that where released have been widely discredited as forgeries by numerous experts and that none would stand up to forensic document examination. What I said is that Oboingo (or whatever his real name is) didn't release an original CERTIFIED long form birth certificate!
StompingRabbits 4 days ago
@StigRossi - Portable document formats (PDF) did not exist in 1963 as the micro-computer was decades away. The original hospital generated long from birth certificate with the embossed seal is what's not been released and it just happens to be that it's the only iron clad document that can conclusively prove his nativity story. It's impossible for a PDF document to be an original 1963 era hospital generated long form birth certificate. The real BC is half hand written and half typed!
StompingRabbits 4 days ago
@StigRossi - How much thin air did it take for you to arrive at the "small minority" statistic? Muslims are a small minority now, have a look at Britain and France where they are a large minority, report to me on their crime statistics there. Have a look at what's in America's future if we keep importing them in droves.
Hey Smegmabreath, if we striped Islam of the guise of religion what would be left would be a totalitarian political ideology just like NAZISM!
You schmuck!
StompingRabbits 5 days ago
@StompingRabbits
You're too fucking stupid for me to write to anymore. Fuck off and die. Further, Godwin's Law. Look it up. Only NAZIS are NAZIS!~
Are you telling me that stupid Republicans who are against gay marriage and for Creationsm are correct?
StigRossi 5 days ago
@StigRossi - Pointing out the fact that the Muslim rape crime statistics are off the scale in places in Western Europe like Oslo is not racism, it's a fact. If stating the truth makes me a "NAZI" in your opinion then so be it, idiot!
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MrJosh001 4 days ago
@MrJosh001
I've been to India as well and am of Indian ethnic descent. Not sure what you're on about mate
StigRossi 4 days ago
@ludwigau1 - I know, I know, the invasion of East Timor was merely a property dispute. The fact that it was a majority Catholic country had nothing to do with the invasion. Muslim countries just attack their non-Muslim neighbors everyplace they have non-Muslim neighbors just for shits and giggles....bwaaahahahaha!
TAQIYYA !!!
StompingRabbits 1 month ago
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@StompingRabbits "I know, the invasion of East Timor was merely a property dispute." Wrong again. Read a book. They are in libraries. It was about nationalism, resources and the alleged communist threat from Fretilin. (Remember, this was during the Cold War.) "Muslim countries just attack their non-Muslim neighbors everyplace " Wrong again. Who tried to take Muslim-Malaysia? Indonesia. Why? Because they were secret-Christians? You are pure ignorance in a bottle.
ludwigau1 1 month ago
@ludwigau1 - Oh yes, "nothing to do with Arabia?" When the fuck did I mention Arabia? There are other Muslims besides the Arabic garden variety are there not? Yea, it had nothing to do with religion, is that why U.N. forces led by Australia had to intervene to stop the ethnic cleansing or wanton genocide being perpetrated by the brave Indonesians? I'm sure had East Timor been majority Muslim that the cleansing would have still taken place! How about you shoving a book up your ass?
StompingRabbits 1 month ago
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@StompingRabbits "When the fuck did I mention Arabia?" Oh God. You're so dumb that you can't even remember what you were saying. To quote YOU: "The Indonesian reference is entirely relevant because when they divided up the women of East Timor as chattel or as you put it "war booty" they where following in the example set forth by Mo." Since you obviously don't know: "Mo" was an Arab from the Arabia in the 7th C.
ludwigau1 1 month ago
I know exactly what "booty" means and women where indeed considered booty by Mo as they are today by Muslims in places like Indonesia. When the Indonesian Muslim army attacked the minority Indonesian Christians a few years ago they where said to have divided up the "captured" women like chattel. "Booty" can mean whatever you can loot. I never used the word "booty" out of context.
Islam just isn't fit for the 21st Century is it?
StompingRabbits 1 month ago
@StompingRabbits
Women are priceless and are the highest above all reward that is why, you don't comprehend that.
"I never used the word booty out of context"
So why then did you say someone was raped, who was raped?
Your indonesian reference is irrelevant to this topic.
"Islam just isn't fit for the 21st century is it"
I don't know how you are basing a religion solely on war verses.
No one becomes or follows Islam in saying "A-ha I want booty!"
Be serious now...
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram - Are you trying to tell me that Mo didn't commit any rapes?
The Indonesian reference is entirely relevant because when they divided up the women of East Timor as chattel or as you put it "war booty" they where following in the example set forth by Mo.
Muslim Immigrants in Europe who see themselves as conquerors not immigrants are committing rapes at off the scale disproportionate rates against the indigenous European female population.
StompingRabbits 1 month ago
@StompingRabbits
You are going all over the place with your comments, try sticking to one topic.
You began with going after Muhammad, then stick to it.
Indonesia nor European affairs are not the issue.
"Women as a reward for victory is called rape"
You need to stop thinking that being able to rape a woman is considered a reward, how low are you putting women with that type of thinking?
You show me 1 example of where he raped someone, just one, otherwise, retract your claim.
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram - Women as a reward for victory in war? That's called "rape." It's what Mo did to captured women and it's what Muslims do today whether it's a victorious Muslim army like East Timor or a criminal Muslim rape brigade like what's happening with increasing frequency in places in Europe like Finland.
You're the one in need of seriousness here, no captured women look forward to being raped by their Muslim captors.
StompingRabbits 1 month ago
WEST=BOOTLICKING YESSA BOSS LAP DOG UNCLE TOM HOUSE NEGRO SCUM.This BOOTLICKING BUCKWHEAT would vote to bring back SLAVERY!!
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 1 month ago
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME - Can't handle that a Black man doesn't want to be a part of the Democrat Plantation anymore huh?
StompingRabbits 1 month ago 2
@StompingRabbits <---Likes his YESSA BOSS BOOTLICKING NIGGRAS HOUSE TRAINED & OBEDIENT.
WESTIE THE HOUSE NEGRO DOG:Eyes bite them UPPITY NIGGERS FO U BOSS,YESSUM BOSS,BARK BARK WOOF WOOF LICK LICK
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 1 month ago
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME - He is a Colonel on the U.S. Army, hardly a "bootlicking Nigra, house trained and obedient." - You just can't handle any Black American who doesn't live on the Democratic plantation....
StompingRabbits 1 month ago
Talmud and Bible:
Bible: Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible. Also, the age consent in US and Europe was as low as 10:
1- Pedophilia and killing of "suckling infants" in the Bible!
2- Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex and marriage in both the Talmud and the Bible.
3- Age consent in our world today only 100 years ago to girls as young as 10
bjoojoo 1 month ago
1- Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals!
Deuteronomy 20:16
However,in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
It is certainly the Bible's principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy's side.If one wouldn't call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should they call it?
2-Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands:
1Samuel 15:2-4
bjoojoo 1 month ago
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
bjoojoo 1 month ago
A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:
Psalm 137:8-9
8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!
bjoojoo 1 month ago
I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book!
bjoojoo 1 month ago
I challenge any Jew or Christian to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims' Noble Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender).
bjoojoo 1 month ago
If only more black males shared his political views.
AmsterdamFire321 1 month ago
Now liberals are attacking Allen West for not shedding tears for the Taliban.
StoogeWatcher 1 month ago
neo-conservative bs. Okay, I'm off to piss on a corpse. See you guys later.
JRCrowley 1 month ago
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HUMANSAREBENEATHME 1 month ago
So it's racist when white conservatives criticize Barak Obama, but it's not racist when white liberals criticize Allen West and Herman Cain??? Hypocrisy at its finest...
Sirafrican 1 month ago
@Sirafrican
No - what would be racist would be for libs to call West "Uncle Tom" or a "house nigger" or something like that. NOT Criticizing his policies and beliefs. Same thing for cons criticizing Obama
StigRossi 1 week ago
@StigRossi True, but you do know that there's a double standard when it comes to this issue.
Sirafrican 1 week ago
@Sirafrican
Is there though? I don't know...I will say that black liberals who are anti-gay get a pass from other libs - that is hypocritical for sure. But otherwise, lets be honest now, the lion's share of the vitriol has come from the right wingers. I'm not saying that libs didn't say the same thing about Bush cos they did but I like to think there was reason for that what with all the wars and so forth.
StigRossi 1 week ago
That's just messed up!!! How is Islam about peace, it is about submission!!! Everyone needs to respect everyone!!! Follow who you want but God was not about thievery, rape or murder, incest or beastiality!!
jst1674 1 month ago
Q:Let us ask Colonel Allen West who Mohammed was: A) a theif; B) a murderer C) a rapist D) all of the above. Answer: D, all of the above
Q: The Koran allows: A) sex with children; B) sex with animals (sheep, goats, etc); C) beating of a wife, but no striking above the shoulders; D) inbreeding; E) all of the above..Answer E) all of the above
jst1674 1 month ago
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@jst1674 See the excellent Youtube video of a brave Austrian MP telling the Turkish Ambassador to get the hell out of Europe and bring all the stone-age Muslims with him and the YT video is called:
Austrian MP Ewald Stadler adresses Turkish Ambassador
TeslaTechnologyRocks 1 month ago
Let us ask Colonel Allen West the following questions and answers:
Q: Who is responsible for WWI: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for WWII: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for Child pornography: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for gambling houses: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
bjoojoo 1 month ago in playlist All Things Allen
@bjoojoo,
First and foremost, you have to know and understand that while some so called Christians would do some of the things you are stating here, it is not the teaching of Jesus to do those things, on the other hand, it is the teaching of Mohamed (Islam) to kill non-muslims, so, your logic is invalid, face it, you call your religion: "a religion of peace' I call it a religion of "piece", because after a bomb blast, all we can find of an individual is a piece here and a piece there.
MrOmar1961 1 month ago
Q: Who is responsible for legal prostitution, Vegas:Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for pornography magazines and pictures:Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for women fashion showing more skin:Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for the war in Vietnam:Muslims/Christians. A: Christians
Q:Who is responsible for prostituting the women in South East Asia, Thailand, Philippines, Hong Kong, etc Muslims/Christians. A. Christians
bjoojoo 1 month ago in playlist All Things Allen
Q: Who is responsible for KILLING 10 MILLION in Congo: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible starting a illegal war against Iraq based on lies: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for putting God in the real estate business, murdering women man and children, building houses over their blood and dead skeletons, calling it Israel: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
bjoojoo 1 month ago in playlist All Things Allen
Q: Who is responsible for creating secret societies such as Masons, The Order of Skull and Bones, The Rosicrucian, Order of the Temples of the East, Golden Dawn The Knights Templar (full name: The United Religious, Military and Masonic Orders of the Temple and of St John of Jerusalem, Palestine, Rhodes and Mal. Etc… to many more to list…: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
bjoojoo 1 month ago in playlist All Things Allen
QQ: Who is responsible for colonialism: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for the ideology of imperialism: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for ideology Zionism: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
bjoojoo 1 month ago in playlist All Things Allen
Q: Who is responsible for slavery in Africa: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for liquor store industry, bar and tavern.. celebration in the state of drunkenness: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
Q: Who is responsible for making violent movies: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
The list is too long to list here..
Q: Who is responsible for interest payments (usury) and cause of bankruptcies among individuals and even nations: Muslims/Christians A: Christians
bjoojoo 1 month ago in playlist All Things Allen
Why Islam is not responsible for any of the above in any society?….. Because the Creator wanted it that way: "You are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in God" (Holy Qur'an; Surah 3:Ayah 110).
bjoojoo 1 month ago in playlist All Things Allen
@bjoojoo,
So, you believe you are perfect and the rest of us infidels, no wonder why your religion teaches you that you should kill us,... religion of peace... my b-tt.
MrOmar1961 1 month ago
@bjoojoo who is responsible for pedophilia, who is responsible for female subjugation and abuse, who is responsible for cutting peoples heads off,who is responsible for a cruel totalitarian, Theo-political system...MUSLIMS,and BTW check your history on the original North African slave trade...Historians estimate that between 10 and 18 million Africans were enslaved by Muslim slave traders and taken across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert between 650 and 1900.
plang527 1 month ago
"This day, I have perfected your religion for you, and have completed my favor
upon you and have chosen for you, Islam (Islam means submission to the will of God) as your religion." -(Holy Qur'an, Surah 5: Ayah 3)
And to God belongs all honor, and to His Messenger, and to the believers, but the hypocrites know not (Holy Qur'an, Surah Munafiqun 63:Ayah 8).
bjoojoo 1 month ago in playlist All Things Allen
@bjoojoo,
You have been lied to by your so called prophet, wake up.
MrOmar1961 1 month ago
@bjoojoo
Do u honestly believe that all the countries that purport to practise Islam are perfect? Do you think it just that women wear burqa and men dont have to? Come ON man!
StigRossi 1 week ago
"And remember when your Lord brought forth the children of Aadam from their loins their seed (or from aadams loins ,his offspring) and made them bear witness as to themselves saying "Am I not your Lord? They said : "Yes". We testify lest you say on the day of resurrection, verily we were unaware of this"
(Holy Qur;an Surah 7: Ayah172).
bjoojoo 1 month ago in playlist All Things Allen
Creating Islamophobes should be against the law. Remember according to the zionist Islamophobes “the only good Muslim is a bad Muslim.”
bjoojoo 1 month ago in playlist All Things Allen
@bjoojoo, You said:
Remember according to the zionist Islamophobes “the only good Muslim is a bad Muslim.”
that's a true statement though
MrOmar1961 1 month ago
On his website, Allen West has a whole page dedicated to his Christian Zionist/dispensationalist view on Israel. When you read it you understand why Zionists lobby pays him and love him so much, he essentially takes a position squarely outside of the mainstream in both the Middle East and United States by stating he is against the “creation of a Palestinian state.”
bjoojoo 1 month ago in playlist All Things Allen
I love how the others on the panel start dancing around the issue not wanting to give a direct answer, then all of a sudden the Colonel busts out and lays it down. I believe this man will stick true to his convictions and one day be a true leader in this country because really, Washington politicians live in the toilet. I love how they all, our joke of a president included, point a finger at Washington when they themselves are there. I know West is in Washington, but I hope he'll stay clean.
ThePadintor 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
West should've run for the republican nomination. He would fit in perfectly with that shit-for-brains group!!
marley54fd 2 months ago
Mr Allen West for President
/Mats
LillaSophie 2 months ago 2
Truth is out Andhaira. Just remember this, once a human has tasted the love of freedom, you cant reverse it! Islam will NEVER dominate the world. It will eventually be a fad in history that was practiced by ignorant humans who realized that the religion is a cult of hate, destruction, and racism!
IslamISsick1 2 months ago
As a Muslim, I applaud this man. He is learned, he knows his history, and he also knows the inevitable that has been prophecized and promised in the Glorious Quran: Islam's victory over this world WILL happen, and it will be complete. One glorious day, all shall be Muslim in this world. Western civilization will be eradicated.
And there is absolutely NOTHING anyone can do to stop it. :)
Andhaira 2 months ago
@Andhaira How can you ever rule over the World if your children spend time learning the Qu'ran by heart in Madrassas instead of studying Science and Maths?
Just continue dreaming...
Varoonmg 2 months ago
@Andhaira .. Hiya And(etc).. Let me say 1st off, I think you're a troll,.. but its fair game, & my beer's still cold.. so here goes..
"the People" who follow Islam.. dont worry 'who's' selling them an item, so long as they're accepted in 'that community',.. its no big deal.. where a Berka into Walmart, no one cares..
"the Govt's" who follow Islam.. we have special powers granted to us to cut your head off if you even maybe sort of almost show a tiny bit of 'Heresy'..
Hmm, let me think
Wrongway1965 2 months ago
@Wrongway1965,.. oops it should've read "Wear a burka", instead of,"Where a Burka".. sue me..
Hmm, let me think..
I think I'd rather be able to question My Govt., without fear of retalliation.. without say,.. being beheaded for what I believe..
I don't,"in general" like the idea of a "Book/Doctrine/Manifest" that tells me "What/When/Why/Where & How"..
Islam,Catholic,Christian,Agnostic,ETC,.. All preach why they're the best.. but..
Allow me to say,"Leave Me Alone"..
Wrongway1965 2 months ago
@Andhaira
Do us all a favour pal and f*** off back to the 7th century
MrSecondThoughts 2 months ago
ALLEN WEST FOR PRESIDENT !
stevebeagle 2 months ago
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meszenger 2 months ago
All of you talking about radical muslims still don't get it. It is muslim period. They all read the same Koran. Islam is not a peace loving religion. All muslims are required to kill infidels (non-muslims). It is not a sin for them to lie, kill, steal or do anything harmful to a non-muslim. They want to eventually rule the world and that means eliminating all infidels. Why do we have to be so PC about everything? Let's be straight forward and tell it like it is.
TheRetiredVeteran 2 months ago 8
@TheRetiredVeteran I so totally agree with you on this
outlanderxxc1000 2 months ago
@TheRetiredVeteran
"It is not a sin for Muslims to lie,kill, etc to a non-Muslim"
If this were the case, there would not be a single non-muslim living in the Middle East, by your logic.
From the Caliphates through the Ottoman Empire, where did Jews for example, escape persecution from Christian Europe?
Ah yes, those evil Muslim lands.
Who was the first King to offer refuge to the Muslims?
Ah yes, that evil Christian King Negus of Abyssinia
How about you now, "Read & Learn" like it is.
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram Wrong. “Israel was officially established as a nation in 1948. But according to Islamic sacred tradition, it was roughly 1,300 years before that when Muhammad himself, the founder of Islam, declared the following prophecy: ‘The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, ‘O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’
TheRetiredVeteran 1 month ago
@TheRetiredVeteran
"You must be a Ron Paul Supporter" what gave you that idea, the video in my favorites?
"Wrong, Israel was established in 1948"
I didn't even mention Israel.
Why are you quoting Hadiths? You spoke against the religion, saying Muslims are ordered to kill non-Muslims, lie to them, etc.
Show me a verse from the Qur'an my friend, then we can go into Hadiths after.
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Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram You need to do some research. If you are a muslim you know this already: KORAN commands to kill infidels:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Yes, muslims are ordered to kill infidels.
TheRetiredVeteran 1 month ago
@TheRetiredVeteran
You left out the first section of Sura 2:98 where the words are:
"Anyone who opposes GOD, and His angels, and His messengers, and Gabriel and Michael..."
Now, if someone is "against" God, what is the problem you're having?
Again you are leaving out parts, 2:161
"Those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers...upon them will be the curse of Allah...."
Again, "Disbelievers", people against or knowing but ignoring, etc.
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Iammram 1 month ago
Continued @TheRetiredVeteran
2:191 is a verse dealing with those who oppressed and oppress, don't you notice it says:
"Drive them out of the places where THEY DROVE YOU OUT"
For "Persecution is worse than slaughter"
This verse deals with those who oppressed, tortured, etc. the Muslims. The Muslims did not fight back but were told just to spread the message.
Until the verses were revealed to "Defend" and "fight against injustice" they didn't lift a finger.
Re-read the verses before posting.
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram Most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels (non believers) of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. How many virgins is it you are supposed to have? Alot of muslims have admitted to this. You, as muslim are allowed to lie to me. Christians preach love, not hate and killing of other faiths.
TheRetiredVeteran 1 month ago
@TheRetiredVeteran
lol you couldn't win against the Qur'an so now we move down to Imams and Clerics?
That would be like me pointing to Pastors and Ministers and saying "Look at Christianity!"
And for your information, "infidel" is a biblical word, not a Quranic one, I'm sure you knw that right?
"You as a Muslim are allowed to lie to me"
What are you basing this on?
"Christians preach love not hate"
I can tell by the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Columbus discoveries & others -_-
Iammram 1 month ago
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@Iammram
Weren't the Crusades a direct result of the Islamic illegal invasion of Christian lands?
CSATexan 1 month ago
@CSATexan
I don't know why you got spammed for your comment. I didn't see your comment because of it but now I do.
No it wasn't. Pope Urban did not want Islam expanding the way it was, he tried to rally people by stating such and leaders didn't follow ( they didn't see it as a threat )
The war started when stories were made up coupled with If the Christians capture Jerusalem ( or go to it ) all sins will be removed.
That's in a nutshell, of course it's more extensive.
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram You are forgeting to mention that in the Quran, the quran to abrogate a verse means to remove it, replace it by another verse or .... 1) The existence of abrogation is conflicting with other verses as: ...the latter versions supercede the earlier versions, thus allowing the believer to LIE!!! Yet tell the truth to the infidel, an example of which is called Taqiyya....cont
plang527 1 month ago
@plang527
Actually I didn't forget. The whole abrogation issue became an issue to those who think they got something against the Qur'an, not realizing what it's even mentioned for in the first place.
(goto 1:50:25 in the video)
/watch?v=BT_yGgPYuZA
As for Taqiyya, that is another misunderstood term as well. Here is the explanation.
/watch?v=Iz1GeyWuC18
I know who fed that information to you ( Gellar & Spencer )
My advice, the same way you came across them, try finding the truth as well.
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram Tell me what part I stated, that is untrue. The abrogation is true...the verses of the quran prove it! Al-Kaffirun 109, which expresses great tolerance for the kaffir (unbelievers):While at-Tawba 9:5 certainly expresses a much different approach and attitude toward unbelieversOnce again we're back to "misunderstanding"...which is what is used to cloud the truth and gain control over the infidel.
plang527 1 month ago
@plang527
9:5 is also dealing with "war" or in times of war/conflict/hypocrites ( who say one thing and do another ), you would see that if you read from the beginning where it speaks on "treaties"
Before then, the Muslims didn't fight, they were tortured, oppressed, etc.
Look to the next verse that states to grant protection to those who seek it.
This is why, I'm sure you have heard, that it's important to read things "in context"
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram With all due respect.... after 1400 years of this nonsense, if we still need an interpreter to translate Islam's motives from conflicting verses in their book....then there's an issue. I'm exhausted from the moral equivalence argument with Islam and other religions, since Islam is the only one with followers strapping bombs to themselves...subjugating their women and comitting condoned pedophelia by marrying off underaged girls....just to name a few. Good day.
plang527 1 month ago
@plang527
Who said anything about needing an "interpreter?"
I said to you how you need to read things "in context" to understand what the verse is dealing with to understand it.
"Islam is the only one with followers strapping bombs"
Which other places do you know of that are getting bombed, oppressed by leaders that were put in by Western Powers?
"Subjection of women"
Why, because they don't whore their women for fame like the west does?
"Marrying off young girls"
Maybe Springer is better?
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram Whats your excuse for their treatment of homosexuals? This I gotta hear! Or the condoning of Pedophelia? Once again, moral equivolence of a systematic subjugation of women who are considered property and of less value than man, to prostitution which exists in all segmants of any society, but I will grant you on a lower scale in Islam...beacause they face DEATH by stoning. And don't get me started on how rape VICTIMS are treated! But you'll have another subversive retort! CONT..
plang527 1 month ago
@Iammram what part of that needs to be in context?
plang527 1 month ago
@plang527
The part of violence, making it look like it means in general when it is specific to something instead.
As for homosexuals, they can be as gay as the rainbow, just not doing their business in public ( which in turn goes for everyone ) and I don't think you'd disagree with that.
Pedophilia is a modern term, this didn't exist in those days. Marriages of that level were common, especially among bedouin societies, even Europe kings had young wives.
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Iammram 1 month ago
Continued @plan527
Subjugation implies force, these are wives, not pimps with women lol.
Show me the force or where "Islamically" it is condoned then we can talk.
"Women considered property" Actually, before Islam they were, looked at to bear children and that's it, after, they got rights ( shocker huh? )
"Don't get me started how rape victims are treated"
Like how? When 2 women who were almost raped went to the Taliban for example to tell them and a war was started soon after in defense?
Iammram 1 month ago
Continued @plan527
Try sticking to one subject, if you genuinely want to know then ask don't add your two sense in because then you display your bias.
If your mind is setup that way then no matter what I type you won't want to understand and it will be a waste of time.
And if Sharia Law is your concern overall ( which it seems to be ) then watch this lecture on it.
/watch?v=5GjAq0FLZec
And bear in mind, Sharia Law does not apply to "Non-Muslims"
(Goto 6:08 in this video)
/watch?v=JxIBKZ6TTvE
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram First and foremost my "two cents" is fact based, not biased and it is part of the broarder subject, last I checked we all belong to the human race, no matter our faith! Second your response to homosexuality was weak at best. Whether I condone their behavior or not, I find no excuse for their execution...NONE! Sharia is a part of Islam, thus encapsulates the backward thinking of the culture in general. Do you honestly believe, Islam is not in need for a 21 century reformation?
plang527 1 month ago
@plang527
Man you're not even bothering to read into what I am typing back to you.
You are looking at things as a secularist, that is your problem.
To say "We are all part of humanity" based on what? What "objective morality" is this based on or would be?
"Do you believe Islam is not in need for a reformation?"
No, it never had a problem before, even "Free Market Free Thinkers" Like Adam Smith praised it. Another shocker huh?
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Iammram 1 month ago
Continued @plang527
As for mens position, Men are to take care of them, respect them, etc. I am not understanding your problem here?
As for 4:34 I don't know where you got whip and inflict pain from, I don't see that.
Not even Wikipedia has such a line.
I don't know why you put 4:62 in, what does this have to do with anything?
As for pedophilia, I didn't divert, you fail to understand or realize that people marrying young is a past time, not common nor even done today.
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Iammram 1 month ago
Continued @plang527
Simple example, ask your parents if they were at 20 the way a 20 year old is today?
Then ask about your grandparents and so forth, you will find that people were more mature back then than they are today.
A person could not marry unless they were of "Sound mind"
"Show me today where these practices outside of Islamic ones take place"
Show me a society outside of them that even follows their own religion in the first place.
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram 9 years old in any era is pedophelia! Nuff said!All your rhetoric skates around every issue.You didn't answer how public homosexuality deserves death or if Sharia Law is barbaric you respond it doesn't apply to non muslims so that makes it ok. Once again the subjugation is up for interpretation, yet Muslim men interpret it the way I explain it! It's ironic, you have all the PC answers yet I am showing how it's put into practice today. Your mask is off,I know,I'm out of context.
plang527 1 month ago
@plang527
Actually in Judaism a person can marry as young as 3.
bit . ly / gV7WjC
(Remove spaces)
Then look here for child marriages ( look at the British scholar's words )
bit . ly / c1vot4
As for the homosexuality issue, It's not about me, it's about what is moral and not.
I have a handful of gay friends myself, even they understand the view point ( from the religious perspective )
Watch that video I linked you to earlier and you'll get it.
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Iammram 1 month ago
Continued @plang527
"Once again subjugation is up for interpretation"
lol No it's not. Using countries today that were made through Western Imperialism with puppet leaders doesn't help your case. Most scholars reject a lot of these countries ( example: Saudi Arabia )
"I know I'm out of context"
Atleast learn something...Take the time to look at the links and the video(s) I put forth for yourself, it's not going to bite you.
They can do better than us going back and forth like this.
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram you must be a politician or a dancer, because you got some good moves, I must admit. You dance around every issue, turn the subject back to me, instead of answering obvious questions.We ALL share the same DNA, that's the humanity part! I am no secularist I am aperson of faith and that faith is personal to me. There are certain things that fall under "natural law" and what goes on under the guise of religion today is appalling and no religion has broken that law more than Islam.
plang527 1 month ago
@plang527
There isn't a single issue I danced around, I even went further to provide links and sources to back up everything. I am showing you the sky is blue with clouds and you seem to see pink purple blue yellow and green somehow
"I am no secularist I am a person of faith, certain things fall under natural law, etc"
Then you are assuming, as a person of faith that God has no control over that law, then you have a problem my friend
again, look into the links, stop dragging this or inbox me
Iammram 1 month ago
@Iammram I'll let it go. You seem like a nice enough fellow...we just disagree! No need to inbox, my views will never change and I don't believe yours will. Thank God we can exchange views without fear of retribution...there are many places in this world where we can't!
plang527 1 month ago
@Iammram The Qur'an says that "men are in charge of women because Allah has made one of them (men) to excel the other (women), thus man's superiority over women . . . good women are the obedient ones . . . admonish the rebellious women and banish them, and scourge them (whip them severely to inflict pain) (4:34) . . . smote them (hit or strike with the hand or with a weapon causing pain, beat them . . . (4:62)".
plang527 1 month ago
@Iammram As for rape, you pick one Taliban story when there are hundreds of those where if a woman cannot produce 4 male witnesses, then she is punished. I loved how you diverted the pedophelia question to that of early history...well many things condoned 800 years ago are rightfully now considerd barbaric, and no longer practiced since we evolved as a society! So show me where TODAY,outside of Islamic nations, these practices take place.
plang527 1 month ago
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@Iammram al-Kaffirun 109, "Say, O ye misbelievers!I do not serve what ye serve; nor will ye serve what I serve;nor will I serve what ye serve;nor will ye serve what I serve;-ye have your religion, and I have my religion!" Tawba 9:5 But when the sacred months are passed away, kill the idolaters wherever ye may find them; and take them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in every place of observation....
plang527 1 month ago
@Iammram Taqiyya...."lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them."
plang527 1 month ago
@Iammram lol I don't have to win agains the Quran. Islam is a satanic cult and is irrelevant. I have already won with faith in Jesus Christ. You can use examples of fanaticism from both religions. But, one constant remains and that is the Islamic belief of killing all infidels in the name of Jihaad. Real Christians do preach love and they accept you for who you are. You have no room to talk about hate you should look at Islamic beliefs.
TheRetiredVeteran 1 month ago