Redirect with Timothy Wilson

[roidroid]

i'm glad he mentions interventions and how prompting was needed. It requires effort by a therapist, it's not just a leaflet.

It thus avoids some of the "you just need to do this and you'll be cured! ok next patient" pop psychology nonsense.

Doesn't avoid all of it, but some.

[SeanPMcCool]

This is very similar to Dr. Carol Dweck's book "Mindset: the New Psychology of Success"

[onlyanton]

@rainangel111

I disagreed with all of your points except what you said about the second example-however, I looked into the actual article in question, in addition to the control group they had a "un-enhanced" visitation model (a visit without they skills) as well as the "enhanced" visitation model. Prevalence of physical abuse was greater in the un-enhanced model (23%) than in the enhanced model (4%) Journal article is called A cognitive approach to child abuse prevention-Accessed via PsychInfo

[RainAngel111]

@onlyanton thank you for the additional information. that does make it more significant. but i still feel that the techniques are nothing new or special

[Duggeek]

All in all, a remarkably simple and cause-and-effect approach to psychotherapy. What Prof. Wilson describes is approaching social and personal problems in a way that addresses the personal "truth" (vis-a-vis, the Stories We Tell Ourselves) of the individual. It's these "stories" that truly drive one's motivations, so changing the story will really change the motivation. It's still in a generalist viewpoint, but is more ready to address individual needs than current social programs. Inspiring!

[RainAngel111]

so in summation for the first problem, the way he said it, it didn't seem that those "statistics" were real they may have easily been made up and the interviews could have been faked, so to deal with problem 1, we lied to them to make them feel better. for the second problem, the families obviously would feel less motivated to abuse a child knowing that someone was coming to check up on them every few days. the 3rd one was really an obvious solution. the 4th problem... (to be continued)...

[RainAngel111]

@RainAngel111 the 4th problem you tried to solve with propaganda, even if for a good cause it's a little unsettling and honestly this whole video seemed very "big brother is watching you" to me. this video initially gave me the impression that it would be different from conventional psychology and therapy techniques but it's only more of the same and honestly will be just as effective as anything else we try, which means, mostly ineffective.

[Kojak7snap]

@RainAngel111 If in fact the first instance was caused by lying to students to make them feel better, it seems that might be somewhat irrelevant; the intervention had the desired effect, and the reason clearly was well described by him. If it was in fact lying, and that proved problematic, the intervention could shift to simply explain the usefulness of redirecting one's narrative, as the research he described proved it quite effectively.

[roidroid]

@Kojak7snap The ethics of it are further softened if you consider that the student was already lying to herself by being pessimistic.

So it can be thought of as replacing negative false narratives with positive false narratives.

If the patient has a psychosomatic malady caused by a fake poison pill, a positive placebo antidote can be a highly effective (and quite real) cure.

[Ramsez]

again with the intro?

[stevehayes13]

The important thing here is that public policies should be based on what works.

[xjustamem0ryx]

@stevehayes13

"...should be based on what works."

the danger with that is even a broken clock works twice a day.

[ZellMurasame]

@xjustamem0ryx No it doesn't. A clock works when it consistently keeps the time. Just because it happens to be correct at one instant, does not mean it works at that time. Besides, since it only shows the correct time at 2 instants per day, and there is fundamentally an infinite number of intervals of time between each and every second (and another infinite number of intervals between those, etc), it is therefore essentially "working" 0% of the time.

[thehuddler]

@ZellMurasame - but the point he is making is that if the public agency only evaluates its success at those two moments of the day it will be seen as successful despite, as you say, not actually fulfilling its responsibility.

[xjustamem0ryx]

@thehuddler

thanks :)

[xjustamem0ryx]

@ZellMurasame

interesting ^^

[xjustamem0ryx]

@ZellMurasame

but there is also such infinities between the intervals on a fully functional clock. but it would NOT be said that a fully functional clock is essentially "working" 0% of the time because of that.

nor would the infinities between the intervals traversed by a walking pedestrian prevent them from actually getting anywhere (fortunately ;P)

[xjustamem0ryx]

@xjustamem0ryx

as to why things are able to move despite requiring to travel over infinities... perhaps it has to do with the nature of convergence.

[ZellMurasame]

@xjustamem0ryx It's also like saying a broken car works because at the start and end of the trip, your car should be parked on the driveway anyway.