THIS DEVLIN-McALISKEY WOMAN WAS ALMOST MURDERED BY PEOPLE FROM THE "OTHER" SIDE, HER HUSBAND GOT SHOT IN THE ARSE, SHE HID UNDER THE BED. AND WHO SAVED HER LIVE? WHY, THE BRITISH SOLDIERS SHE DESPISES SO MUCH. AND DID SHE EVER SAY "THANK YOU" TO THEM? DID SHE, HELL. BEING ANTI-BRITISH MEANS SHE HATES WALES, SCOTLAND AND CORNWALL AS WELL AS ENGLAND!! NOW, PUT ALL THIS INTO YOUR PIPES AND SMOKE IT!!
@squirell1952 she was shot 8 times, the soldiers were outside her rural home in time to arrest her attackers but not prevent the attack. It is suspicious.
Warrenpoint son, 18 brit maggots received their welcome and good bye from PIRA. 18 son, nobody wants an educational debate with you you pig. You don't belong in our country because you stole it and maintained it by force and poverty. PIRA = 2 para owned.
@themightoftheenglish, what happened your might at Warrenpoint when PIRA fucking owned 2 para. 18 son, 18, Wheel Barrow and shovel required. What an EPIC. PIRA = 2para fucking owned. might? more like shite!!!
That's curious that she says she doesn't like clubs- which is an intelligent observation because, in my view they are divisive ie, them and us. However she liked the republican 'club' and perhaps a little bit too much and in my view it deadened her mind that she couldn't use her talents and abilities to their fullest.
@IrishFella87 how can you say that,when at the time ,she was telling catholic residents of the bogside ,to put up barracades, to block the roads and to throw stones at the police , all criminal acts to a neutral observer
@IrishFella87 ive never heared her speak out against the IRA , or the men of violence , dont bring religion into it ,pretty hard not to dont you think ,she is a catholc and was in a nationalist party,and her loyalties were or are still camped in the national and republican camps, shes opposed to the good friday agreement ,she helped form the irsp ,political wing of the inla , pretty logical i thought ,
The IRA were our legitimate resistance against an oppressive, gerrymandered, unionist state.
Hard not to bring religion into it? How so? The conflict is about the theft of Irish land and oppression of the native people by the british. Nothing more, in spite of what the brits might say about being the middle-man. It's called divide and conquer.
The IRA and the INLA are both looking for a Socialist Republic. When did Marx bring religion into the manifesto?
@IrishFella87 the ira didnt even reconize the government of the south , the conflict was not the theft of irish land, and im speaking of the troubles, the vast majority of this land to was stolen to, and even recent times ,certain constituencies have been altered ,gerrymandered , to benEfit a certain partY at election times, the conflict was about civil rights of the nationalist people of NI and their unfair treatment by the unionist government and councils of NI not the british, pre 1969
Yes, you're speaking about the troubles. I'm speaking about this conflict, between the people of Ireland and the british state, the troubles are only the most recent chapter.
The civil rights movement was made up of regular people demanding social justice based on Martin Luther Kings example in the states. They were not combatants and had no part in the conflct between Republicans and the brits/loyalists. The conflict has been going on for centuries, not since the 60s.
@IrishFella87 where the SDLP and the civil rights movement demanding a united ireland , not that im aware , you say the british state , but between the start of NI till the start of the troubles , the province was run by stormont and the unionist government , the state was practically left to get on with it, that was the british governments mistake ,the civil rights movement was pushed aside by hardend republicans ,wanting an armed conflict ,it made the situation 100 times worse
@IrishFella87 the troubles,or the start of it was never about a united ireland, ive said before that if the nationalists people had given the british people time, to absorb and to know what was going on in NI, thenyoud find ,most british here would of sympathised with the nationalist cause,and would of even supported it as it was totally unfair,once the republicans jumped on the civil rights bandwagon, any support that may have been was totally lost by the pointless deaths by the paramilitaries
@IrishFella87 i never said i defended gerrymandering ,i said its happend here to, of course the overall situation is centuries old , but the troubles were about civil rights , and came to a head in the 60s , if the system had been fair ,most nationalists would of been quite happy ,within NI, the majority want out oF NI, ive never seen a proper poll saying that , although theres strong opinion about the cost , and the amount of money that has gone into NI
@IrishFella87 after 400 years ,dont you think the protestant people of NI are native of NI to, some republicans view them as if they got off the boat yesterday , yet theve been there for 4 centuries , twice as long as most irish americans have been in america, yet you get irish americans saying for the loyalists to go home . as far as i know the original arguments of civil rights have been addressed , nationalists now hold more seats in derry dont they, houseing and voting issues addressed
There you go again with religion. What is it with you loyalists trying to make this into a religious conflict when it's about Irish independence?
The Scottish planters are certainly not native to Ireland. That's like saying white people are native to America. I have no interest in Americans that call themselves Irish whilst they carry out the criminal act of imperialism in the middle east.
@IrishFella87i think 400 years of living in NI makes them as native as any who live there its you who are sounding the facist,as if the island of ireland belongs to people who can trace their family back a thousand years were have we heared that before, are you saying anyone called fitzgibbon or fitzgerard or deburgh are not irish ,as the orginal ones called fitz were norman, they to are noy native, the celts are not native as they came from spain to ireland,and the black sea region before that
They were put here to impose brit policy upon the native Irish people. They have no right to divide and do as they please with land that wasn't theirs to begin with. Would it be alright for the French to divide england? No, it wouldn't. If something like that were to occur I would support the english resistance without a second thought.
@IrishFella87 are you suggesting all people sould go back from were they come from,sould the jews in israel vacate the holy land, sould what was east prussia ,be handed back to germany , and poland regain their eastern provinces, if all irish went back to ireland , it would sink under the weight , all people of white decent would have to leave north and south america, sould the basques have their own country , that they never had , and tell me when was ireland truly united as one country
Yes, Zionists should get out of occupied Palestine. The land was bought from imperial brits, who didn't own the land, by a banker named Rothschild. You might want to check his families history, pretty colourful to say the least. The flag flown by Zionists in occupied Palestine is actually his family crest.
You defend imperialism, I always wonder how people like you would feel if it was done to them. Maybe you could enlighten me?
@IrishFella87 1066 ,and you know all about that, the harrowing of the north, a 5th of all british land still owned by decendents of those same norman lords, i agree palastine ,the west bank and half of jerusalem lost to the israelies sould be given back, palastine wasnt ours and was never part of the empire,the turks occupied the region and after ww1 ,someone had to govern the area and it was awarded to britain to govern it,the situation today has very little to do with us
@IrishFella87 after ww2 we realised the problem of to many jews arriving was upsetting the palastinian majority, we did our best to stop illegal immigration and turned back several ships carrying european jews , not wanted in their homelands ,you know the history, the united nations got involved and the americans ,zionists were assasinating british troops and setting off bombs,the UN led by america practically forced us to allow the holocaust survivors into palastine
You shouldn't say 'Jews'. Zionists are not Jewish, they follow the Talmud and not the Torah. Real Jews know that they are in exile until God Himself returns them to the Holy Land.
I know all about their bombings and killing of soldiers whilst dressed as Arabs. Funnily enough 2 SAS men were arrested in Iraq for doing the very same thing.
The UN is yankee imperialism, plain and simple. I'll never recognise it as legitimate and I hope you won't neither.
@IrishFella87 in the end we gave up the mandate ,boundries were drawn up, rightly or wrongly ,it was out of our hands , the following wars folllowing that 48,67 73 ,you can blame the surrounding arab states for the plight of the palastinians, each war losing more arab territory, ,the west bank and gaza ,were taken through arab agression towards isreal, many US and arab isreali politicians have tried to sort the situation out, so i doubt if you and i can
@IrishFella87 the palastinians dont even get on with each other ,with the west bank and gaza at odds with each other ,yes israel sould get out of west bank,and take down their illegal towns, and walls, but to say get out of the region all together ,it wont happen,, hamas is were the plo was 40 years ago,and violence and terrorism got them nowhere,arafat mellowed and things were getting somewhere ,until a zionist assinatated perez,arafat died ,and hamas split ,if anyones to blame ,blame america
at 23 ,and living in the south of ireland ,you havent known occupation yourself in your lifetime, as for most of the empire , if you take india there were very few british there ,and with its size ,and with indians helping the administration,and security, i doubt if most indians ever set eyes on a white man, to most indians mostly poor it didnt matter who ran the country i bet, the poor in india are just as poor if not poorer ,and the rich even richer ,the divide wider than ever ,
The Palestinians in Gaza actually fled there for safety and 'israel' just took the land that had been evacuated.
Hamas are right in not dealing with the collaborating PA. Abbas is an 'israeli' agent in my eyes.
Arafat wouldn't have 'mellowed' hadn't the 'israelis' poisoned him. That isn't just a theory neither, they found out which toxin was used on Arafat earlier this month.
@IrishFella87 well youve got the wrong address then, your in northern ireland, part of the UK as it stands,free state ,your stuck in a time warp from 70 years ago, collins took the offer on the table back to dublin and the republicans voted by a majority to accept the treaty, the majority won,and as usual the rebel in the most hardend republicans didnt accept it, in any democratic set up ,the majority wins,like it or not ,or you get anarchy and rebellion and terrorism,,your as free as i am
occupied by whom, how many english or british born over here live in NI or ireland, theRUC being mainly protestant was the republicans fault, if you wanted a fairer police force ,catholics sould of been encouraged to join the police, not threatend with death,then you turn round and call the police biased and one sided ,,almost if not all things during the civil rights campaign were sorted,the b specials disbanded,the udr disbanded,the royal taken off the police,soldiers to barracks,watchtowers
@IrishFella87 watch towers taken down,cross border roadblocks dismantled ,the offer of a referendum in the future , compared to those in eastern europe during the cold war ,you were far more free,they couldnt leave their countries,and so on , even at the height of the troubles,what was it that we could do that you couldnt, apart from walk down shankill road on jult the 12th, dont you get free prescriptions now,and grants for uni,s. the people of NI do govern themselves already ,
As I've said numerous times now, this struggle is about Irish independence, the civil rights movement wasn't a Republican movement. However, it turned into a Republican movement once the brits killed 14 innocent people at a civil rights march.
I don't know how you can say we were threatened with death before the troubles started. There was a system in place that denied people in Nationalist areas the right to work, the RA weren't stopping anyone back then.
@IrishFella87 as for the palastinians if you think hamas are going to succeed where the plo didnt ,it,ll never happen, all sides eventually will have to talk , just as in NI ,armed struggle didnt acheive a great deal, apart from another 100 years of hatred to hand down,after commiting atrocities on each other
, the israelies left gaza,and took down their settlements,yet still hamas fire rockets at israel, i dont agree with the israelies bombing them,but hamas arnt intrested in peace
Armed struggle brought the brits to the negotiating table, everyone knows that. The only reason armed struggle isn't working well in Palestine is because of yankee support for the illegal, apartheid, state of 'israel'. Sort of like brit support for the illegitimate statelet in which I live.
The 'israelis' haven't left Gaza. They control the borders, airspace and coastal territory and attack Palestinians living there on a daily basis.
Hamas haven't broken one ceasefire, whereas, the 'israelis' have. Hamas have constantly asked 'israel' to withdraw to the 1967 borders, 'israel' expands on those borders. You're either insane or blindly supporting the lunatic state of 'israel' if you believe any of their propaganda about Hamas. Just 2 weeks ago they went to a Hamas members house and fired over 10 rounds into a sleeping 65 year old man because they couldn't find who they were looking for.
You speak about democracy. Where was the democracy when the brits controlled all of Ireland? What about when the Irish people voted for independence and the unionists in the north denied them that democratic right?
The northern statelet was UNDEMOCRATICALLY founded and has no legitimacy.
@IrishFella87 again you go on about things from the past, what vote was that , collins accepted the treaty ,and the partition , with a view to try and unifiy later ,, right away the IRA failed to reconise the south, so in the most hardend republicans eyes ,de valeras government was void, and the whole south void, and the north, how come every country in the UN accept NI is part of the UK , in your eyes all those talks,the prisoners ,paramiltaries,govenments,are all wrong,
@IrishFella87 your view that all are wrong ,and the views of a couple of hundred dissidents are right, doesnt work that way,unification is on the table , to want to go back to the bullit and bomb ,will acheive nothing but futher division and a state that no one will invest in ,the real ira ,doing a hamas is crazy for everyone, the whole reason of partition was to prevent a far worse civil war from happening, and really, did half of the south really want to be unified to a lawless state
i read briefly the general election of 1918, just forget the numbers ,there were 105 irish seats up for grabs, sinn fein got 65 ish, and that was 46% of the vote,the other nationalists MPs and unionists ,and others, actually had more of a vote although less seats, the other nationalists ,were for a free state,and were prepared to take their seats in westminster, as were unionists,, 46% of the vote didnt give sinn fein a mandate to claim an irish republic
it was sinn feins total dismissal of ulster unionists ,who held the majority of seats and votes in ulster, that has always led to conflict,its always been catch 22 to us, damned if we stay damned if we go, with or without thebritish,there would of been conflict. the belfast agreement ,and votes of support for the system in NI now ,the souths claim on the north removed. and when the majority of people in NI vote for unification,they can have it,republicans are never going to get a better deal
it was sinn feins total dismissal of ulster unionists,who held the majority of seats and votes in ulster, that has always led to conflict,its always been catch 22 to us, damned if we stay damned if we go, with or without thebritish,there would of been conflict. the belfast agreement ,and votes of support for the system in NI now ,the souths claim on the north removed. and when the majority of people in NI vote for unification,they can have it,republicans are never going to get a better deal
@TheMightOfTheEnglish You speak of how the IRA jumped on the civil rights wagon and derailedit, and you also claim that Britain had nothing to do with what was going on in the six counties. You do however fail to mention that the IRA first intervened in the Troubles in the direct aftermath of the Bombay house burnings to PROTECT the citizens of Belfast from loyalist mobs.
@eire250195 the IRA were practically none existant in 69 , what was that saying , IRA i ran away , , i was sayng that we did have little to do in the 6 counties , you had a seperate parliament almost , run by the loyalist unionists , if NI had had direct rule from the 1920s , it would of been run just like anywhere else in the UK, we were guilty of ignoring and letting you get on with it , it was the unionist govermnent and unionist controlled councils responsible for housing not westminster
@eire250195 most soldiers were clueless of NI politics , as were a lot of politicians in london , NI in the early 60s was the most law abiding with the lowest crime rate in the UK, as for internment , seemed a good idea at the time, violence was going out of control ,nationalist areas , certain areas anyway , were being used by the IRA to launch attacks on police and soldiers , some were used for safe houses or arms dumps , what was the security forces supposed to do ,
@TheMightOfTheEnglish and the nationalist people in those certain areas were 100% behind the paramiltaties , with banging bin lids , women attacking and obstructing the security forces and youths rioting , masking the IRAs activity,, of course the activity of those people in those areas is going to bring increased security into those areas , it didnt happen everywhere ,some areas of NI hardly saw anything of the troubles
@TheMightOfTheEnglish You also fail to mention that it was the British army who interned thousands of innocent people, imposed an illegal curfew on the Falls road, as well as murdering fourteen innocent civillians on one day, not to mention the 11 others that were slaughtered a couple of months earlier. This all went on under Britains nose and they did nothing...you know some say indifference is worse than the actual crime and thats what this was.
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Lastly i would like to say that you dont know what it was like growing up with constant oppression by the Brits/loyalists/unionists. You dont know what it is like to have your home torn appart for the 3rd time in a month just because you have certain political beliefs....I am not a violent man but eventually people turn to violence as a last resort. You could not even imagine some of the things that were carried out here by your lot so butt out.
@eire250195 whose to blame for that so called oppression , as i said before not all catholic areas or protestant areas were effected by the troubles , if a certain areas is a hot bed of trouble , eg falls road or the bogside or crossmaglen ,of course your going to be stopped more or searched , or bring the security forces down on you , especially if your a known republican, you cant have civilian gunmen armed with assault weapons shooting people no go areas ,and not expect a reaction
blame the gunmen for bringing that heat down on you , no violence,no bombs or secteran violence and rioting the soldiers would never of been there you forget that the majority of people killed were killed by republicans 2000 out of the 3500 , the army killed less than 300,the IRA terrorised their own communities never mind the rest of NI, but out ,it was the IRA who were setting bombs off here ,ive been in a couple of bomb threats ,the army had nothing on the provos when it came to intimidation
@TheMightOfTheEnglish internment was a good thing ha it did more to aid the IRA than anything else bar maybe the hunger strikes. And tell me; how would you feel if you were interned for living in a certain area, youve done nothing and known nothing yet u still get locked up for how ever long they want. You'd be alright with that would you? Do me a favour will ya...dont pass comment on something that you cant possibly understand.
@eire250195 i didnt say internment was a good thing and yes violence went up i said it seemed a good idea , obviously it wasnt,de valera himself used internment against IRA himself , so wasnt just the british who did it ,although accordeing to sinn fein ira it was , oh i understand , bombs were going off all over the place ,innocent people being killed,, and those ,hot bed staunch areas is were it was coming from, if you round up the main suspects ,youd think that would help stop it , it didnt
@eire250195 i didnt say internment was a good thing and yes violence went up i said it seemed a good idea , obviously it wasnt,de valera himself used internment against IRA himself , so wasnt just the british who did it ,although accordeing to sinn fein ira it was , oh i understand , bombs were going off all over the place ,innocent people being killed,, and those ,hot bed staunch areas is were it was coming from, if you round up the main suspects ,youd think that would help stop it , it didnt
@eire250195 look at it from the other side , youve youths from those areas ,rioting daily, in the 70s, youve women acting as look outs banging bin lids , women who on one occassion held a young soldier ,till a gunman shot him, you had booby traps killing and maiming,in those areas, girls used as honey traps ,to entice off duty soldiers to be killed, snipers using those areas , the vast majority of those areas were behind the provos ,so is it anywonder the way soldiers reacted in those areas
@eire250195 the provos would of attacked the army ,internment or no internment or no searching ,were catholic girls tarred and feathered for dating a soldier before the house searches early in the troubles. and later do you agree with punishment beatings for catholics for anti social activities , when those 2 signalmen were murdered at the funeral, you saw the crowd cheering and waving as they were being driven to their deaths ,, the whole thing in NI has 2 sides and its not all one way
if your were an ordinary catholic family with no republican involvement ,then off course youd have our symphathy but with the incidents that happend in NI, its not suprising if republican houses were targetted for raids certain peoples here are raided regular to,bombing shooting,rioting,destruction of property murder bank robberies,drive by shooting in any country is criminal,so those responsible and their support network are raided no doubt innocent houses were caught up in itboth are to blame
@TheMightOfTheEnglish you may want to check your facts...the Falls road welcomed British soldiers with open arms when they first came because the RUC had failed to do anything for them while loyalists mobs were rampaging the city. Doesnt sound like a hot bed for trouble to me...it was only after thousands of house raids took place, a curfew was imposed and hundred were taken and interned did the IRA get neccessary support for the place to become a 'hot bed of trouble'.
@eire250195 well yes nationalists did welcome the army and ,the ira relieved.there was no secterianism amongst the soldiers as many were catholic also, and some of irish decent,,the RUC prodominantly protestant,and whose fault was that,catholics were threatend with death if they joined, how can you have a fair police ,and complain that it isnt fair and their one sided ,yet dont encourage catholics to join ,even the PSNI , their discouraged, the police supported by army,and it changed overnight
@TheMightOfTheEnglish you wernt here...what could u ever know about the intimidation that i and thousands of others went through. The british army did dispicable things to my family while you were tucked up in bed. il tell you who i blame...the British army soldiers who carried such terror tactics out and the one's who condoned it. How dare you try and suggest that the soldiers that committed such crimes arnt to blame. You havnt a clue what went on here and you havnt a clue what i went through
@eire250195 you started it the increase in violence and you brought it down on your heads , mabbe not you personally but your community did , example , if you had drug dealers in your street , and the police were raiding houses in that area constantly , who do you blame ,the police ,or the drug dealers useing your street for drug dealing, youd turn on those drug dealers for bringing the police and crime to your street
the same goes for terrorists , if youve got terrorists operating from your street and useing it to launch attacks on other parts of the community ,and the police or army, and the people in that street support those same people , dont be supprised if doors are kicked in , terrible for innocent houses , but who do you blame ,the IRA or soldiers ,thing is you couldnt tell the Provos to go elsewhere could you, as the,d knock on your door to,and you talk of intimidation
talking of intimidation , tell me what you think of the murder of one of your own, robert mccartney , a terrible death ,murder ,they cut his throat,jumped on his head till his eyre popped out,local youths rioting to stop the police get evidence,and that maskey bloke has a go at the police, the republican cover up both by the IRA and sinn fein, and the intimidation of witnesses , and the intimidation of mccartneys sisters , 4th generation catholics living in that area ,hounded out each one ,
Bless you Bernadette! I need a book which will help me read Year of the French--important that it it not be propaganda though my loyalties are clear--I need a scholarly book about 1798--anybody know one.
Is she still an alcoholic?
OrangeDemocrats 2 months ago
A churchgoer of ANY religion does not turn to murder.
the real murderers don't go to church. period.
but thet churchgoers make the snowballs and the murderers throw them!!!
but why can't ALL churches of Christs not excommunicate those murderous bastards?
squirell1952 3 months ago
THIS DEVLIN-McALISKEY WOMAN WAS ALMOST MURDERED BY PEOPLE FROM THE "OTHER" SIDE, HER HUSBAND GOT SHOT IN THE ARSE, SHE HID UNDER THE BED. AND WHO SAVED HER LIVE? WHY, THE BRITISH SOLDIERS SHE DESPISES SO MUCH. AND DID SHE EVER SAY "THANK YOU" TO THEM? DID SHE, HELL. BEING ANTI-BRITISH MEANS SHE HATES WALES, SCOTLAND AND CORNWALL AS WELL AS ENGLAND!! NOW, PUT ALL THIS INTO YOUR PIPES AND SMOKE IT!!
squirell1952 7 months ago
@squirell1952 she was shot 8 times, the soldiers were outside her rural home in time to arrest her attackers but not prevent the attack. It is suspicious.
thisisciarasusername 3 months ago
Once threw a punch at at the Home Secretary in the Commons. Fiesty!
pickledpork 8 months ago
Warrenpoint son, 18 brit maggots received their welcome and good bye from PIRA. 18 son, nobody wants an educational debate with you you pig. You don't belong in our country because you stole it and maintained it by force and poverty. PIRA = 2 para owned.
TheOfficer71 1 year ago
@themightoftheenglish, what happened your might at Warrenpoint when PIRA fucking owned 2 para. 18 son, 18, Wheel Barrow and shovel required. What an EPIC. PIRA = 2para fucking owned. might? more like shite!!!
TheOfficer71 1 year ago
That's curious that she says she doesn't like clubs- which is an intelligent observation because, in my view they are divisive ie, them and us. However she liked the republican 'club' and perhaps a little bit too much and in my view it deadened her mind that she couldn't use her talents and abilities to their fullest.
19grand 1 year ago
@19grand
Seriously lad, your elitism shows through.
Bernadette was a representative of the people, Republican or Unionist.
She worked for the good of the people.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 how can you say that,when at the time ,she was telling catholic residents of the bogside ,to put up barracades, to block the roads and to throw stones at the police , all criminal acts to a neutral observer
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
As opposed to letting the B-men in to wreck houses and arrest innocents again?
Your 'logic' is astounding.
Oh, and Bernadette's a Socialist, don't bring religion into this.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 ive never heared her speak out against the IRA , or the men of violence , dont bring religion into it ,pretty hard not to dont you think ,she is a catholc and was in a nationalist party,and her loyalties were or are still camped in the national and republican camps, shes opposed to the good friday agreement ,she helped form the irsp ,political wing of the inla , pretty logical i thought ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
The IRA were our legitimate resistance against an oppressive, gerrymandered, unionist state.
Hard not to bring religion into it? How so? The conflict is about the theft of Irish land and oppression of the native people by the british. Nothing more, in spite of what the brits might say about being the middle-man. It's called divide and conquer.
The IRA and the INLA are both looking for a Socialist Republic. When did Marx bring religion into the manifesto?
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 the ira didnt even reconize the government of the south , the conflict was not the theft of irish land, and im speaking of the troubles, the vast majority of this land to was stolen to, and even recent times ,certain constituencies have been altered ,gerrymandered , to benEfit a certain partY at election times, the conflict was about civil rights of the nationalist people of NI and their unfair treatment by the unionist government and councils of NI not the british, pre 1969
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
Yes, you're speaking about the troubles. I'm speaking about this conflict, between the people of Ireland and the british state, the troubles are only the most recent chapter.
The civil rights movement was made up of regular people demanding social justice based on Martin Luther Kings example in the states. They were not combatants and had no part in the conflct between Republicans and the brits/loyalists. The conflict has been going on for centuries, not since the 60s.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 where the SDLP and the civil rights movement demanding a united ireland , not that im aware , you say the british state , but between the start of NI till the start of the troubles , the province was run by stormont and the unionist government , the state was practically left to get on with it, that was the british governments mistake ,the civil rights movement was pushed aside by hardend republicans ,wanting an armed conflict ,it made the situation 100 times worse
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 the troubles,or the start of it was never about a united ireland, ive said before that if the nationalists people had given the british people time, to absorb and to know what was going on in NI, thenyoud find ,most british here would of sympathised with the nationalist cause,and would of even supported it as it was totally unfair,once the republicans jumped on the civil rights bandwagon, any support that may have been was totally lost by the pointless deaths by the paramilitaries
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
You defend gerrymandering? What a great loyalist you are. You've shown your Fascism without me needing to. Cheers.
The troubles were about unifying Ireland. As I've said, this conflict is centuries old.
The majority of people in england, Scotland and Wales want out of the 6 counties. That's enough 'sympathy' for us.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 i never said i defended gerrymandering ,i said its happend here to, of course the overall situation is centuries old , but the troubles were about civil rights , and came to a head in the 60s , if the system had been fair ,most nationalists would of been quite happy ,within NI, the majority want out oF NI, ive never seen a proper poll saying that , although theres strong opinion about the cost , and the amount of money that has gone into NI
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
The troubles were the most recent chapter in a very long conflict for Irish independence, that's pretty clear to anyone looking at this conflict.
I think you need to check SDLPs policies, they've stated from the start that they intend to bring about a united Ireland.
The civil rights movement was pushed aside when the brits shot 14 innocent people on the streets of Derry causing an upsurge in Provo membership.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 after 400 years ,dont you think the protestant people of NI are native of NI to, some republicans view them as if they got off the boat yesterday , yet theve been there for 4 centuries , twice as long as most irish americans have been in america, yet you get irish americans saying for the loyalists to go home . as far as i know the original arguments of civil rights have been addressed , nationalists now hold more seats in derry dont they, houseing and voting issues addressed
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
There you go again with religion. What is it with you loyalists trying to make this into a religious conflict when it's about Irish independence?
The Scottish planters are certainly not native to Ireland. That's like saying white people are native to America. I have no interest in Americans that call themselves Irish whilst they carry out the criminal act of imperialism in the middle east.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87i think 400 years of living in NI makes them as native as any who live there its you who are sounding the facist,as if the island of ireland belongs to people who can trace their family back a thousand years were have we heared that before, are you saying anyone called fitzgibbon or fitzgerard or deburgh are not irish ,as the orginal ones called fitz were norman, they to are noy native, the celts are not native as they came from spain to ireland,and the black sea region before that
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
They were put here to impose brit policy upon the native Irish people. They have no right to divide and do as they please with land that wasn't theirs to begin with. Would it be alright for the French to divide england? No, it wouldn't. If something like that were to occur I would support the english resistance without a second thought.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 are you suggesting all people sould go back from were they come from,sould the jews in israel vacate the holy land, sould what was east prussia ,be handed back to germany , and poland regain their eastern provinces, if all irish went back to ireland , it would sink under the weight , all people of white decent would have to leave north and south america, sould the basques have their own country , that they never had , and tell me when was ireland truly united as one country
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
Yes, Zionists should get out of occupied Palestine. The land was bought from imperial brits, who didn't own the land, by a banker named Rothschild. You might want to check his families history, pretty colourful to say the least. The flag flown by Zionists in occupied Palestine is actually his family crest.
You defend imperialism, I always wonder how people like you would feel if it was done to them. Maybe you could enlighten me?
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 1066 ,and you know all about that, the harrowing of the north, a 5th of all british land still owned by decendents of those same norman lords, i agree palastine ,the west bank and half of jerusalem lost to the israelies sould be given back, palastine wasnt ours and was never part of the empire,the turks occupied the region and after ww1 ,someone had to govern the area and it was awarded to britain to govern it,the situation today has very little to do with us
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 after ww2 we realised the problem of to many jews arriving was upsetting the palastinian majority, we did our best to stop illegal immigration and turned back several ships carrying european jews , not wanted in their homelands ,you know the history, the united nations got involved and the americans ,zionists were assasinating british troops and setting off bombs,the UN led by america practically forced us to allow the holocaust survivors into palastine
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
You shouldn't say 'Jews'. Zionists are not Jewish, they follow the Talmud and not the Torah. Real Jews know that they are in exile until God Himself returns them to the Holy Land.
I know all about their bombings and killing of soldiers whilst dressed as Arabs. Funnily enough 2 SAS men were arrested in Iraq for doing the very same thing.
The UN is yankee imperialism, plain and simple. I'll never recognise it as legitimate and I hope you won't neither.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 in the end we gave up the mandate ,boundries were drawn up, rightly or wrongly ,it was out of our hands , the following wars folllowing that 48,67 73 ,you can blame the surrounding arab states for the plight of the palastinians, each war losing more arab territory, ,the west bank and gaza ,were taken through arab agression towards isreal, many US and arab isreali politicians have tried to sort the situation out, so i doubt if you and i can
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 the palastinians dont even get on with each other ,with the west bank and gaza at odds with each other ,yes israel sould get out of west bank,and take down their illegal towns, and walls, but to say get out of the region all together ,it wont happen,, hamas is were the plo was 40 years ago,and violence and terrorism got them nowhere,arafat mellowed and things were getting somewhere ,until a zionist assinatated perez,arafat died ,and hamas split ,if anyones to blame ,blame america
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
at 23 ,and living in the south of ireland ,you havent known occupation yourself in your lifetime, as for most of the empire , if you take india there were very few british there ,and with its size ,and with indians helping the administration,and security, i doubt if most indians ever set eyes on a white man, to most indians mostly poor it didnt matter who ran the country i bet, the poor in india are just as poor if not poorer ,and the rich even richer ,the divide wider than ever ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
rabin it was assasinated not perez
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
The Palestinians in Gaza actually fled there for safety and 'israel' just took the land that had been evacuated.
Hamas are right in not dealing with the collaborating PA. Abbas is an 'israeli' agent in my eyes.
Arafat wouldn't have 'mellowed' hadn't the 'israelis' poisoned him. That isn't just a theory neither, they found out which toxin was used on Arafat earlier this month.
I'm in the occupied 6 lad, not the Free State.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 well youve got the wrong address then, your in northern ireland, part of the UK as it stands,free state ,your stuck in a time warp from 70 years ago, collins took the offer on the table back to dublin and the republicans voted by a majority to accept the treaty, the majority won,and as usual the rebel in the most hardend republicans didnt accept it, in any democratic set up ,the majority wins,like it or not ,or you get anarchy and rebellion and terrorism,,your as free as i am
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
occupied by whom, how many english or british born over here live in NI or ireland, theRUC being mainly protestant was the republicans fault, if you wanted a fairer police force ,catholics sould of been encouraged to join the police, not threatend with death,then you turn round and call the police biased and one sided ,,almost if not all things during the civil rights campaign were sorted,the b specials disbanded,the udr disbanded,the royal taken off the police,soldiers to barracks,watchtowers
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 watch towers taken down,cross border roadblocks dismantled ,the offer of a referendum in the future , compared to those in eastern europe during the cold war ,you were far more free,they couldnt leave their countries,and so on , even at the height of the troubles,what was it that we could do that you couldnt, apart from walk down shankill road on jult the 12th, dont you get free prescriptions now,and grants for uni,s. the people of NI do govern themselves already ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
As I've said numerous times now, this struggle is about Irish independence, the civil rights movement wasn't a Republican movement. However, it turned into a Republican movement once the brits killed 14 innocent people at a civil rights march.
I don't know how you can say we were threatened with death before the troubles started. There was a system in place that denied people in Nationalist areas the right to work, the RA weren't stopping anyone back then.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 as for the palastinians if you think hamas are going to succeed where the plo didnt ,it,ll never happen, all sides eventually will have to talk , just as in NI ,armed struggle didnt acheive a great deal, apart from another 100 years of hatred to hand down,after commiting atrocities on each other
, the israelies left gaza,and took down their settlements,yet still hamas fire rockets at israel, i dont agree with the israelies bombing them,but hamas arnt intrested in peace
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
Armed struggle brought the brits to the negotiating table, everyone knows that. The only reason armed struggle isn't working well in Palestine is because of yankee support for the illegal, apartheid, state of 'israel'. Sort of like brit support for the illegitimate statelet in which I live.
The 'israelis' haven't left Gaza. They control the borders, airspace and coastal territory and attack Palestinians living there on a daily basis.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
Hamas haven't broken one ceasefire, whereas, the 'israelis' have. Hamas have constantly asked 'israel' to withdraw to the 1967 borders, 'israel' expands on those borders. You're either insane or blindly supporting the lunatic state of 'israel' if you believe any of their propaganda about Hamas. Just 2 weeks ago they went to a Hamas members house and fired over 10 rounds into a sleeping 65 year old man because they couldn't find who they were looking for.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish
You speak about democracy. Where was the democracy when the brits controlled all of Ireland? What about when the Irish people voted for independence and the unionists in the north denied them that democratic right?
The northern statelet was UNDEMOCRATICALLY founded and has no legitimacy.
IrishFella87 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 again you go on about things from the past, what vote was that , collins accepted the treaty ,and the partition , with a view to try and unifiy later ,, right away the IRA failed to reconise the south, so in the most hardend republicans eyes ,de valeras government was void, and the whole south void, and the north, how come every country in the UN accept NI is part of the UK , in your eyes all those talks,the prisoners ,paramiltaries,govenments,are all wrong,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@IrishFella87 your view that all are wrong ,and the views of a couple of hundred dissidents are right, doesnt work that way,unification is on the table , to want to go back to the bullit and bomb ,will acheive nothing but futher division and a state that no one will invest in ,the real ira ,doing a hamas is crazy for everyone, the whole reason of partition was to prevent a far worse civil war from happening, and really, did half of the south really want to be unified to a lawless state
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
i read briefly the general election of 1918, just forget the numbers ,there were 105 irish seats up for grabs, sinn fein got 65 ish, and that was 46% of the vote,the other nationalists MPs and unionists ,and others, actually had more of a vote although less seats, the other nationalists ,were for a free state,and were prepared to take their seats in westminster, as were unionists,, 46% of the vote didnt give sinn fein a mandate to claim an irish republic
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
it was sinn feins total dismissal of ulster unionists ,who held the majority of seats and votes in ulster, that has always led to conflict,its always been catch 22 to us, damned if we stay damned if we go, with or without thebritish,there would of been conflict. the belfast agreement ,and votes of support for the system in NI now ,the souths claim on the north removed. and when the majority of people in NI vote for unification,they can have it,republicans are never going to get a better deal
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
it was sinn feins total dismissal of ulster unionists,who held the majority of seats and votes in ulster, that has always led to conflict,its always been catch 22 to us, damned if we stay damned if we go, with or without thebritish,there would of been conflict. the belfast agreement ,and votes of support for the system in NI now ,the souths claim on the north removed. and when the majority of people in NI vote for unification,they can have it,republicans are never going to get a better deal
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 year ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish You speak of how the IRA jumped on the civil rights wagon and derailedit, and you also claim that Britain had nothing to do with what was going on in the six counties. You do however fail to mention that the IRA first intervened in the Troubles in the direct aftermath of the Bombay house burnings to PROTECT the citizens of Belfast from loyalist mobs.
eire250195 1 month ago
@eire250195 the IRA were practically none existant in 69 , what was that saying , IRA i ran away , , i was sayng that we did have little to do in the 6 counties , you had a seperate parliament almost , run by the loyalist unionists , if NI had had direct rule from the 1920s , it would of been run just like anywhere else in the UK, we were guilty of ignoring and letting you get on with it , it was the unionist govermnent and unionist controlled councils responsible for housing not westminster
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
@eire250195 most soldiers were clueless of NI politics , as were a lot of politicians in london , NI in the early 60s was the most law abiding with the lowest crime rate in the UK, as for internment , seemed a good idea at the time, violence was going out of control ,nationalist areas , certain areas anyway , were being used by the IRA to launch attacks on police and soldiers , some were used for safe houses or arms dumps , what was the security forces supposed to do ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish and the nationalist people in those certain areas were 100% behind the paramiltaties , with banging bin lids , women attacking and obstructing the security forces and youths rioting , masking the IRAs activity,, of course the activity of those people in those areas is going to bring increased security into those areas , it didnt happen everywhere ,some areas of NI hardly saw anything of the troubles
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish You also fail to mention that it was the British army who interned thousands of innocent people, imposed an illegal curfew on the Falls road, as well as murdering fourteen innocent civillians on one day, not to mention the 11 others that were slaughtered a couple of months earlier. This all went on under Britains nose and they did nothing...you know some say indifference is worse than the actual crime and thats what this was.
eire250195 1 month ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish Lastly i would like to say that you dont know what it was like growing up with constant oppression by the Brits/loyalists/unionists. You dont know what it is like to have your home torn appart for the 3rd time in a month just because you have certain political beliefs....I am not a violent man but eventually people turn to violence as a last resort. You could not even imagine some of the things that were carried out here by your lot so butt out.
eire250195 1 month ago
@eire250195 whose to blame for that so called oppression , as i said before not all catholic areas or protestant areas were effected by the troubles , if a certain areas is a hot bed of trouble , eg falls road or the bogside or crossmaglen ,of course your going to be stopped more or searched , or bring the security forces down on you , especially if your a known republican, you cant have civilian gunmen armed with assault weapons shooting people no go areas ,and not expect a reaction
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
blame the gunmen for bringing that heat down on you , no violence,no bombs or secteran violence and rioting the soldiers would never of been there you forget that the majority of people killed were killed by republicans 2000 out of the 3500 , the army killed less than 300,the IRA terrorised their own communities never mind the rest of NI, but out ,it was the IRA who were setting bombs off here ,ive been in a couple of bomb threats ,the army had nothing on the provos when it came to intimidation
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish internment was a good thing ha it did more to aid the IRA than anything else bar maybe the hunger strikes. And tell me; how would you feel if you were interned for living in a certain area, youve done nothing and known nothing yet u still get locked up for how ever long they want. You'd be alright with that would you? Do me a favour will ya...dont pass comment on something that you cant possibly understand.
eire250195 1 month ago
@eire250195 i didnt say internment was a good thing and yes violence went up i said it seemed a good idea , obviously it wasnt,de valera himself used internment against IRA himself , so wasnt just the british who did it ,although accordeing to sinn fein ira it was , oh i understand , bombs were going off all over the place ,innocent people being killed,, and those ,hot bed staunch areas is were it was coming from, if you round up the main suspects ,youd think that would help stop it , it didnt
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
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@eire250195 i didnt say internment was a good thing and yes violence went up i said it seemed a good idea , obviously it wasnt,de valera himself used internment against IRA himself , so wasnt just the british who did it ,although accordeing to sinn fein ira it was , oh i understand , bombs were going off all over the place ,innocent people being killed,, and those ,hot bed staunch areas is were it was coming from, if you round up the main suspects ,youd think that would help stop it , it didnt
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
@eire250195 look at it from the other side , youve youths from those areas ,rioting daily, in the 70s, youve women acting as look outs banging bin lids , women who on one occassion held a young soldier ,till a gunman shot him, you had booby traps killing and maiming,in those areas, girls used as honey traps ,to entice off duty soldiers to be killed, snipers using those areas , the vast majority of those areas were behind the provos ,so is it anywonder the way soldiers reacted in those areas
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
@eire250195 the provos would of attacked the army ,internment or no internment or no searching ,were catholic girls tarred and feathered for dating a soldier before the house searches early in the troubles. and later do you agree with punishment beatings for catholics for anti social activities , when those 2 signalmen were murdered at the funeral, you saw the crowd cheering and waving as they were being driven to their deaths ,, the whole thing in NI has 2 sides and its not all one way
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
if your were an ordinary catholic family with no republican involvement ,then off course youd have our symphathy but with the incidents that happend in NI, its not suprising if republican houses were targetted for raids certain peoples here are raided regular to,bombing shooting,rioting,destruction of property murder bank robberies,drive by shooting in any country is criminal,so those responsible and their support network are raided no doubt innocent houses were caught up in itboth are to blame
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish you may want to check your facts...the Falls road welcomed British soldiers with open arms when they first came because the RUC had failed to do anything for them while loyalists mobs were rampaging the city. Doesnt sound like a hot bed for trouble to me...it was only after thousands of house raids took place, a curfew was imposed and hundred were taken and interned did the IRA get neccessary support for the place to become a 'hot bed of trouble'.
eire250195 1 month ago
@eire250195 well yes nationalists did welcome the army and ,the ira relieved.there was no secterianism amongst the soldiers as many were catholic also, and some of irish decent,,the RUC prodominantly protestant,and whose fault was that,catholics were threatend with death if they joined, how can you have a fair police ,and complain that it isnt fair and their one sided ,yet dont encourage catholics to join ,even the PSNI , their discouraged, the police supported by army,and it changed overnight
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
@TheMightOfTheEnglish you wernt here...what could u ever know about the intimidation that i and thousands of others went through. The british army did dispicable things to my family while you were tucked up in bed. il tell you who i blame...the British army soldiers who carried such terror tactics out and the one's who condoned it. How dare you try and suggest that the soldiers that committed such crimes arnt to blame. You havnt a clue what went on here and you havnt a clue what i went through
eire250195 1 month ago
@eire250195 you started it the increase in violence and you brought it down on your heads , mabbe not you personally but your community did , example , if you had drug dealers in your street , and the police were raiding houses in that area constantly , who do you blame ,the police ,or the drug dealers useing your street for drug dealing, youd turn on those drug dealers for bringing the police and crime to your street
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
the same goes for terrorists , if youve got terrorists operating from your street and useing it to launch attacks on other parts of the community ,and the police or army, and the people in that street support those same people , dont be supprised if doors are kicked in , terrible for innocent houses , but who do you blame ,the IRA or soldiers ,thing is you couldnt tell the Provos to go elsewhere could you, as the,d knock on your door to,and you talk of intimidation
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
talking of intimidation , tell me what you think of the murder of one of your own, robert mccartney , a terrible death ,murder ,they cut his throat,jumped on his head till his eyre popped out,local youths rioting to stop the police get evidence,and that maskey bloke has a go at the police, the republican cover up both by the IRA and sinn fein, and the intimidation of witnesses , and the intimidation of mccartneys sisters , 4th generation catholics living in that area ,hounded out each one ,
TheMightOfTheEnglish 1 month ago
Love her! Wonderful woman and a real voice of the people
glennmac88 1 year ago
Bless you Bernadette! I need a book which will help me read Year of the French--important that it it not be propaganda though my loyalties are clear--I need a scholarly book about 1798--anybody know one.
vivascargill 1 year ago
19 I thought - on Bloody Sunday
kipperwacker 2 years ago
Paisley and Devlin....Assholes...thank god we have moved on !
Maguirearch 2 years ago
Youngest woman ever to be voted into the British Parliament!!! 21 year old Queens University student.
sparshopper 2 years ago 7
21, youngest MP in 200 years. up da sf.
Nonkopn1 2 years ago 2
my goodness...how old was she when she was elected to parliament?...and how old was she on Bloody Sunday?...
Siobanphotogirl 2 years ago