on the matter of origins (for what it matters) even a website on the battle quotes a historian as saying :49 were English, 18 Monmouthshire,16 Irish, 1 Scottish, 14 Welsh and 21 of unknown nationality. (The Noble 24th. by Norman Holme) Of course Monmouthsire is not a nationality and was a county in Wales. Even 14 out of 80 (never mind 14+18) is a far higher % than the Welsh pop of the British Isles population - so its more accurate to say it was a regt with a not insignificant Welsh influence
I absolutely love this movie and I love all the Welsh songs in this movie. I am Cornish, Irish and Scottish descent and if I find any Welsh origins I will be really proud. Loved Micheal Caine and it was very funny, that when he opened up his mouth to yell - you could see his silver fillings, which do doubt would not have been there in 1879 at Rorke's Drift.
Of the 122 soldiers of the 24th Regiment present at the Battle of Rorke's Drift, 49 are known to have been English, 32 were Welsh, 16 were Irish, 1 was a Scot, and 3 were born overseas. The nationalities of the remaining 21 are unknown
w@karezza6 Well congratulations!! I never would of guessed that was the British Army, It doesn't matter where they are from they fight in the same Army, and that still stands now!!
I'm Welsh, I'm British They are both the same place... My Home!!
The 24th Regiment of Foot was also the 2nd Royal Warwickshire's until 1881 when it became the South Wales Borderer's in a reform of the army. The makers of the film didn't realise until it was too late that they had misjudged by two years. An easy mistake to make. The regiment was made up of people from both sides of the border but Englishmen predominated. B company had many Welshmen in, including VC winners such as the Joneses.
@thebigJM92 Just to muddy the water a little more, in the 19th century wasn't overly bothered about keeping accurate records. In many cases no mention was made of the recruits nationality, merely the depot where he signed up. So no one really knows where the men of B Company were born.
A point rarely mentioned is that until quite recently soldiering was not an honourable profession in the UK. So while various posters are claiming the defenders of Rorke's Drft as their own, in the 1980s they ...
@oarfrost Yes you are quite correct. Wellington called his men the "scum of the earth" (in a strangely Wellingtonian affectionate way) and he was largely accurate at the time too. The problem was when Britain stopped using criminals as soldiers but instead volunteers the national conscience didn't change to accept that for a long long time. The scars left by Cromwell's military dictatorship were also long-lasting and people feared a large standing army
@oarfrost Another confusion is that, from what has been traced of the VC winners at least, many seem to have been born in one place and then moved somewhere completely different before they were buried. Many of the Welshmen are buried in England for example. And many Englishmen at the battle seemed to have Welsh names and were probably of Welsh ancestry (being border people)
What a shame that most videos regarding Zulu and Rorkes drift turn in to Youtube comment wars regarding the Welsh/English debate..... With ABSOLUTELY no disrepect towards Wales and the Welsh, the 24th Foot was an English Regiment at the time, and did not become the South Wales Borderers until 1881, 2 years after the Anglo Zulu War. That is just historical fact. There were Welsh in the Unit, but the higher % were English. What does it really matter, they all fought side by side?
Amusing comments on here from the welsh , If you hate the English so much then why do you go to England in your droves to work in England & same for the Irish ? Please be honest about it : Because you are, in world matters pretty unimportant and it shows , Americans ,,some i've met have never even heard of Wales LOL!!
@MetroMartini one of the most ignorant comments ive ever read....the welsh unimportant?.....perhaps as you apparently have so many american friends you should go away and look up how many signatories to the american declaration of independence were of welsh origin?...and while your about it look up the history of the greatest ever english royal dynasty... the tudors - they were welsh!!!...enjoy your history lessons...you certainly need them.....
@davidleigh65 Well let me get one thing straight . I didn't profess to be an historian . However I'm a realist about racialism that is inherent in the Welsh , in their attitude to the English in general .I cant speak for any ignorance the Americans may have regarding Wales in general since Americans who live in a huge country tend to have little interest or knowledge about European backwaters [coughs] I'm sorry if i offended you & your beautiful country [So I'm told by English]
@Jord838 Actually they are only purely welsh in the movie. In the real battle they were mixed from all over Britain with only about 20% being welsh. Please look up your facts before you start slandering others for doing the same.
I found the rendition of this brave song very powerful, and have been waiting for a long time to download it. We sang it in school as kids. Brings back happy memories.
@Trafener United Kingdom includes Northern Ireland, Great Britain doesn't. The full title is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". It all comes from the fact that the Kingdom of England (including the Principality of Wales) was joined with the Kingdom of Scotland to create Great Britain in 1707 (they had had the same King for a hundred years already, but separate Parliaments). Then in 1801 Ireland's Parliament was dissolved in the Act of Union creating the United Kingdom.
Thanks for clearing that up, i should have really known that but i tend to think of us all as Great Britain because of our past Imperial successes...i won't from now on because i think we are stronger united than apart...even if some say they think they'd be better off alone...
@Trafener I fully agree with you. Truth is there's little historical fact put out, just rhetoric from nationalists like Alex Salmond etc. It is a shame because divided we were useless but together we have achieved (and can achieve still) so many great things.
It used to be friendly rivalry in sport etc years ago, but some of the comments on here are really nasty. Most people are as proud of their nationality as you and I, so what's the problem? Granted the English have raped Wales for generations in the past, but that was done by the Ruling Classes not the ordinary working man. Bet those who spit the venom, have never had to work alongside other nationalities in life and death situations, soldiering or down a coalmine etc. Just pack it in will you?
Most were English? It was a South Wales Battalion with some English people in it. Like this to show that the majority of people at Rorkes drift were actually Welsh not English. (Not trying to hate England or anything it's just this is one of the things which makes us Welsh and it is pretty insulting when someone says that it wasn't a moment of glory for Wales)
@Jord838 pleae research before youcommit ur fallacies to youtube. i assre u the majority where english, just type in number of welch at rorkes drift into youtube
@grandslam1998 mainly engineirsbuilding bridges for the troops for when they came over. It woz gonna be a outpost. But turned nasty when the zulus decided that we were their to take over. zulus respected us and we respected them. Dont no many people who wud charge a troop of guns just with spears much respect 2 para
@swanyAJ Please learn to speak English before trying to back up England, it quiet embarrassing to see you throw pathetic arguments at people when you your self don't even know anything which happened at Rorke's Drift . For a start it was a Welsh regiment with English people in it.
@Jord838 Ive been speaking english for 16 years now and i dare say that my knowledge of english grammar and the battle of rorkesdrift surpass that of you, your knight in armour behavior and your incompetent fallacies. If you researched before commiting your dribble to the post button youd find that i am indeed correct in the knowledge that the total percenage of welch at rorkes drift amounted to about 15% of the British and colonial force
@Jord838 Apologies, but that's not correct. In 1879 the 24th Regiment of Foot was the Warwickshire Rgt. An English regiment. It had a lot of Welshmen in it and the regimental depot had been moved to Brecon. A few years after the battle the 24th was amalgamated with the South Wales Borderers and became 24th Regiment of Foot, the South Wales Borderers. The SWB did exist at the time of Rorke's Drift but they weren't there.
@swanyAJ Oh by the way just because I really don't like you because your only saying 'please research before commenting' because every other English person on here is saying it because you cannot stomach the fact that Britain's 300 moment was achieved by us Welsh not you English. It's a similar argument for the battle of Waterloo between English and Scottish people because English people don't like the fact that if it wasn't for the Scott's then you would of lost that battle.
@Jord838 Why do you have such an issue with the English? As far as I'm concerned, the men at Rorke's Drift were British - men from Wales, England and Scotland dressed in Red, bearing the Union Flag, with British drill and mind, serving the people of our Island.
And Waterloo? Are you fucking stupid? Stop trying to spread bullshit about the English and Scots - you're making a fucking tit of yourself.
@Jord838 I look forward to the day Wales and Scotland separate from England, I'm sick of all the anti-English nationalist bullshit. But I warn you, UNITED we stand, divided YOU fall.
You cannot break the mind, spirit or will of the British people - and you nationalistic types with your longing to hang on to bad-blood between our ancestors will have your arses served to you - and probably by your neighbour!
@D4mo84 The sad thing is about that is that even if we do leave the u.k and go to war with England us Welsh would rather live a day as a dragon rather than live a 100 years as a lion (meaning we would all rather die than bow before you) END OF COMMENTING BACK ALL OTHER REPLIES WILL NOT BE LOOKED AT!
...can everyone just stop this arguing and random fact statin, it doesnt really matter weither they were mostly english, scottish or welsh, i'm neither nationality when this song gets playing, I'm just British and proud, plain and simple
@BOBMARELY007 yes and no ones disputing this, the fact is all nationalities stood together when this was playing on rememberence sunday, so why the big fuss?
@NewDayStudios Why should the scotts who the Brition murdered or the Irish who you Occupy with your Terrorist PSNI or the crushing of the Free welsh stand with the Britions who spawned zionist isreal .
@TThorne931 you are wrong again, i served with the royal irish and the only terorists in n.ireland are the cowardly murdering scum of the I.R.A and U.V.F, and a good majority of the people here want to stay british
@NewDayStudios why would you be a proud Brittish your courts let somalis go after committing a HAte Crime against a white Briton because they are not used to being drunk . Brition is lost Forever to immigrents
@NewDayStudios do you really know what all these lables mean? british isnt an english word its from greek through corruption by the romans.....for people who spoke languages like the welsh........the brits were not english speakers,,,yet we welsh are meant to conform a strange 1801 british identity?.....WHAT ARE THESE LABELS?
@3tangle3 3tangle3 does it really matter where these origins came from? just be proud of your country and be proud of your nationality and just enjoy the song/film
If you're going to insult someone be sure you've not made any mistakes yourself. Yet, 'supprise, supprise', the bigot walks right into it, again.
I'm actually Conservative, and believe people like you should be burned to provide cheaper energy for hospitals. After all, it's not as if you're doing society any good with your archaic, prejudiced views now is it?
Oh and the 'shirley' comment........oh dear oh dear..... XD
@Porkchoppa76 Ah yes, unable to make a coherant, valid and factual retort you resort to disgusting racial slurs, xenophobia and a moronic outburst. Well i think i've said all i need to a backward hayseed inbred bottom feeder like yourself. I bid you a very good day.
Just know this, no matter how much you rant and rave, it still doesn't change the fact that the regiment that fought against the Zulu at Rorke's Drift was not a Welsh Regiment but an English one. Suck on those lemons.
@Porkchoppa76 In 1879 it was an ambiguious area and from the 16th to the early 20th Century England and Wales both claimed it. The dispute was settled in 1972 with the Local Government Act 1972 where Monmouthshire was made a part of Wales, but in 1879 it was a separate region, neither English OR Welsh.
@Porkchoppa76 Not in 1879 it wasn't you "muppet." It was only in 1976 when it was definitively established as a region of Wales. Silly boy, thought you were being clever then, didn't you.
@Porkchoppa76 The nationalities of the men who fought at Rorke's Drift are as follows:
49 were English, 18 Monmouthshire,16 Irish, 1 Scottish, 14 Welsh and 21 of unknown nationality.
What logic are you using to suggest 14 Welshmen in an English Regiment based in a Welsh town, drafted to Natal Colony, was 90% Welsh? You can deny it all you like the fact is it wasn't a 'Welsh' victory by any means.
@2SSSR2 You think i don't know that? Yet on every 'Zulu' video you've got overly patriotic Welsh claiming something that wasn't for the sole purpose of stating how it's an example of how the Welsh are better than the English.
Pathetic, i agree, but if we do not educate and inform, ignorance spreads. The facts are they all fought for their lives, not Queen and Country. It was an English Regiment that became Welsh following the Childers Reforms of 1881.
@Silverfox0984 Sry, didn't mean to insult. I just wanted to say that it doesn't matter if they were Scots or Englishman or Welsh. They all fought together, they died together and that's what truly counts. And it's not important if this song is for Welshmen, they all sing even if most of them were not from Wells.
I, for one, am proud at these men holding their ground and surviving aldo being outnumbered greatly.
@2SSSR2 Don't worry, you didn't insult me at all. I too agree and honour the bravery of the incident, and the men who fought. It just appears that whenever a 'patriotic Welshman' talks about 'Zulu', the first thing they say is "ah......Welsh Regiment!"
But whenever they are faced with the realisation that the regiment was in fact English, they go apeshit for some reason. Zulu is a superb film based on the events, but some people see it as factual documentary when they really shouldn't.
The film is a bit misleading in places. The geographical scale of the battle was much smaller than portrayed. The Zulus on the mountain over theeeerrreeee were in fact on a small terrace about 2 stories high and 150 odd feet away. The whole area of the mission station was also much smaller and once the hospital was lost the area was really very small indeed.
Also, the missionary was no alcoholic and Pte Hook was not a thief.
This is a great song. I have the soundtrack of the film "Zulu Dawn" which was released in 1980 and starred Burt Lancaster and Peter O'Toole. This song is on it but it is an instrumental version played seemingly by a marching band or a symphony orchestra. It is very rousing indeed. Until I watched this video, I never knew the actual lyrics of this song. Thanks a million for uploading this video here!
Were do the fuck do you lot get off no matter what they was at rourkes drift they was real men and they was as one no matter what they was,thats what the real army was not like some of you plastic heros who nos nothing ,they was Regiment and lets be proud of them
Of the 122 soldiers of the 24th Regiment present at the Battle of Rorke's Drift, 49 are known to have been of English nationality, 32 were Welsh, 16 were Irish, 1 was a Scot, and 3 were born overseas. The nationalities of the remaining 21 are unknown
:It was a FILM ...A good one from many angles, but a Film. I just hope that those who post stupid, politically correct messages on here NEVER find themselves on active service, facing violent death in the face. For the ability for them to make stupid remarks, millions have died, or been wounded, and live with their memories haunting them every day. On Nov 11th, please remember that.
Not hating on the Welsh but most of the men that were in this regiment fighting at Rorkes drift were infact English, But all were British...Thats the main thing.
@arsenaljsutliffuk true, it was only about a third welshmen, but the regiment eventualy became the welsh guards. Exactly, all Brittish, greetings from the valleys pal !
@headbangers67 The 24th regiment of Foot the South Wales Boreders went on to be amalgamted with the Welch Regiment to become the Royal Regiment of Wales (24th/41st foot) in 1969. That regiment then became amalgamated again with The Royal Welch Fusiliers to become The Royal Welsh in 2006.
@mafoota the county title of the 24th Regiment of Foot in 1879 was The Worcestershire Regiment. It was changed in 1881 with the Cardwell reforms to the South Wales Borderers.
@arsenaljsutliffuk for gods sake can you not let the welsh have there glory, they were the old and proud south wales borderers of course they were welsh, by the way, i`m an englishment
@spokesey55 As i said im not hating on the Welsh, But i find it highly disrespectful towards the people who fought at Rorkes drift if we dont even acknowledge their birth place.
@arsenaljsutliffuk You are an asshole, the majority of men at rourkes drift were welsh man!You are basically an illiterate,ill informed (im guessing english) cunt!
@dannyboy282828 Rorke's Drift was the station of the 2nd Warwickshires. They became the South Wales Borderers in 1880 a full two years AFTER the battle. They were an English regiment BASED in Brecon Beacons.
Zulu is by no means an accurate account of the battle. They did not sing Men of Harlech, the Zulus did NOT salute them at the end and the majority of soldiers were English nationals. But as stated, they were all BRITISH. Now calm down.
@redpunk well, the famine family was about 150 odd years ago- from Cork. But I'm ancient enough. Sorry but the term dutchy you'll have to explain to me. Sorry for being such a thick old git.
@arsenaljsutliffuk can we not get bogged down in what nationality everybody was, rember there was also other colonial troops of other nationalities, let us just say that they were all some brave bastards who fought together and i hold the upmost respect for
For a great read on it all, see Jan (James) Morris three volumes on the Empire, ending with Farewell the Trumpets- wonderfully written and full of larger than life characters, scoundrels, wankers, eccentrics, bounders, and with lots of real life hero's deserved of the name. Stirring stuff that should not and hopefully will not be forgotten. Empire done right. Including the Enfields and Snyders.
Worst thing they did to many countries was to leave.
1, @arsenaljsutliffuk Aye, but the good singers were Welsh. hehe. Seriously though, of the 24th Regiment B company, 49 were English, 18 Monmouthshire, 16 Irish, 1 Scottish, 14 Welsh and 21 of unknown nationality. They fought and died side by side then, as they are doing today in Afghanistan, and I don't think they gave a damn which part of the British Isles their comrades were from. Why are English/Welsh always at each others throats? It used to be friendly rivalry in sport etc years ago,
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@Criticallacitirc "Why are pet ople arguing about "oh there were more welshmen/englishmen" etc.? We're one people, and to the 140 odd men who won at Rorke's Drift, they didn't give a damn where their mates were from. We're all British"
To be honest, in 1879 soldering was not an honourable profession. Everyone was proud of them when they were bravely dead, but Welsh, English, Irish or Martian, the average squaddie would have been lucky to find a pub that would have sold him a pint, let alone
They were the 2/24th of Foot later to be known as the South Wales Borderes. 11 VCs were awarded for the action at the Drift. Why Men of Harlech ? this battalion was mostly made up of Welshmen ... fact
when there's 4000 Zulu warriors rushing at you, who gives a shit who fights with you? each person should be honoured as much as the other. even if only 3 welsh came (there was 32 welsh btw) they'd still be honoured for fighting!
@WolfytheWolf5667 How the hell did i offend you? I merely supplied some info I remembered, i've probably made a mistake but I did not purposefully do it as an insult. It's like remarking how Wellington had Irishmen in his army, its just a remark I'm not trying to be antagonistic to any nationality or anyone
I was surprised when visiting Cardiff castle recently that there was very little mention of the battle of Rorke's Drift I eventually found a small model of the battle and list of names of the 97(?) names who fought on the BRITISH side.The majority of those were in fact non-Welsh in fact most them were English!!!!!
@cowle70 Suggest you come to Brecon and visit the Barracks here, the museum of The South Wales Borderers, all the stuff on Rorke's Drift, take in the Cathedral and see the colour staff and Union Flag flow at Isandlwana incidentally you will find that Brecon lost more men than any other town at Isandulwana. Brecon was the home station of the 24th foot and hence the change of name too The South Wales Borderers.
@oldhippiejon im frim the brecon beacons and am now 61 and now live in england and i salute any welsh warrior past or present.. I sing the national anthem every morning and im bloody proud to be welsh
@JordanEvans3794 , Wales is not represented on the Union Flag because unlike Scotland and Ireland it never signed an Act of Union with England. It was suborned by the English crown as a Principality (not a Nation) in the 16th century and remains so. I presume that it remains so because hard-core Welsh nationalists would probably rather push for full independence ('within Europe, of course) rather than be a full member of the Union, but I'm not sure.
@Londonfogey oh ok... so how do we sign an act of union lolz ? and how come like, all of the royal family are the princess and princes of wales :S ? not scotland or ireland :S im confused lol i would love to have the st davids cross somewhere in the union flag :)
@JordanEvans3794 It's very complicated and messy but whereas England, Scotland and Ireland (now northern Ireland) were considered whole kingdoms, as they either had a real King (England and Scotland) or a sovereign Parliament equal to a King (Ireland) at the time they were united, Wales was absorbed by England without ever having a King, only a number of Prince's or one dominant Prince. So it is not considered a full kingdom but a Principality instead.
@JordanEvans3794 The union between Wales and England was not done via Parliaments or written constitutional documents as it happened before such things had been developed. Instead the union was cemented by the English King making his first-born son and heir the Prince of Wales- a symbolic act of linkage. That tradition has survived to this day.
@JordanEvans3794 It is perfectly possible as there is no reason why it couldn't be added. But it is unlikely. Changing the flag would be quite a hassle so it would only happen if there was a serious and sustained demand from the Welsh people.
More Victorian Crosses were awarded the action at Rorke's Drift than any other time. Sure the movie took a few liberties with the truth but that's showbiz. One hell of a good song. Watch the movie and try to find the fubars.
I can understand that some people are sensitive about the fact that the regiment was Welsh. I mean, sure they fought under the Union flag, but how did they get under that flag in the first place? By conquest. The Welsh have every right to make sure no Englishman takes credit for Rorke's Drift. And there's the fundamental issue that the Welsh are the natives of England as well, but were driven off their lands. Sensitive stuff.
@Faxe90Swe Yeah totally agree with what your saying, however its a bit hypocritical to mention it when we were fighting Zulu's in their OWN land, so it doesn't matter whether they are Welsh, Scottish or Jamaican.
@Faxe90Swe See I agree again but if Wales want to go independent they can, same with Scotland, however they will soon want to come back as they would not be able to cope.
They can go independent now (next year, right?), but they've not had that opportunity for 700 years. Had they had the choice earlier, they'd probably go independent, but now their economy and institutions are too mixed with the English ones.
@Faxe90Swe Do you seriously believe they could cope independently? Where would they drive there economy from? What can they export that will be able to sustain them as a nation. Its much more complicated than just rebelling or just claiming independence. What about homeland security? What about public health? Law enforcement? Government? Trade?
@warwickforever Actually they were not. I am english myself but even I know this regiment is well know for recruiting in South Wales. It was a mixed unit.
@clonehero1 Agree. As proud as I am of my own lineage. (except a bit of a french glitch around 1066 which we try and ignore) I have huge respect for the welsh.
@Faxe90Swe We never went further than " the french connection" despite the quasi aristocratic connection the revelation crushed our family. We never really had the same pride in our history after that. Jokes aside, one of my friends found out at school and I spent most of my childhood with the name "froggy".
Tears.
Malkus11 5 days ago
I'm proud to be welsh
goofysmick 5 days ago
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Tmartin1438 1 week ago
on the matter of origins (for what it matters) even a website on the battle quotes a historian as saying :49 were English, 18 Monmouthshire,16 Irish, 1 Scottish, 14 Welsh and 21 of unknown nationality. (The Noble 24th. by Norman Holme) Of course Monmouthsire is not a nationality and was a county in Wales. Even 14 out of 80 (never mind 14+18) is a far higher % than the Welsh pop of the British Isles population - so its more accurate to say it was a regt with a not insignificant Welsh influence
GNRGC 1 week ago
to be british means nothing now it will be britianstan one day
ander21scotland 2 weeks ago
I absolutely love this movie and I love all the Welsh songs in this movie. I am Cornish, Irish and Scottish descent and if I find any Welsh origins I will be really proud. Loved Micheal Caine and it was very funny, that when he opened up his mouth to yell - you could see his silver fillings, which do doubt would not have been there in 1879 at Rorke's Drift.
mollysheepdog 3 weeks ago
the fact is it was a regiment of the warwickshire's , only 19 welsh men .
the truth is everyone a bloody brave man , and this should not be forgot .
be proud and stand straight ye men of harlech
3sqnrock 3 weeks ago
According to Wikipedia:
Of the 122 soldiers of the 24th Regiment present at the Battle of Rorke's Drift, 49 are known to have been English, 32 were Welsh, 16 were Irish, 1 was a Scot, and 3 were born overseas. The nationalities of the remaining 21 are unknown
karezza6 3 weeks ago
w@karezza6 Well congratulations!! I never would of guessed that was the British Army, It doesn't matter where they are from they fight in the same Army, and that still stands now!!
I'm Welsh, I'm British They are both the same place... My Home!!
ljh3011 2 weeks ago
The 24th Regiment of Foot was also the 2nd Royal Warwickshire's until 1881 when it became the South Wales Borderer's in a reform of the army. The makers of the film didn't realise until it was too late that they had misjudged by two years. An easy mistake to make. The regiment was made up of people from both sides of the border but Englishmen predominated. B company had many Welshmen in, including VC winners such as the Joneses.
thebigJM92 3 weeks ago
@thebigJM92 Just to muddy the water a little more, in the 19th century wasn't overly bothered about keeping accurate records. In many cases no mention was made of the recruits nationality, merely the depot where he signed up. So no one really knows where the men of B Company were born.
A point rarely mentioned is that until quite recently soldiering was not an honourable profession in the UK. So while various posters are claiming the defenders of Rorke's Drft as their own, in the 1980s they ...
oarfrost 3 weeks ago
@oarfrost would not have piddle on the poor bloody infantry if they had burst into flames.
oarfrost 3 weeks ago
@oarfrost Yes you are quite correct. Wellington called his men the "scum of the earth" (in a strangely Wellingtonian affectionate way) and he was largely accurate at the time too. The problem was when Britain stopped using criminals as soldiers but instead volunteers the national conscience didn't change to accept that for a long long time. The scars left by Cromwell's military dictatorship were also long-lasting and people feared a large standing army
thebigJM92 3 weeks ago
@oarfrost Another confusion is that, from what has been traced of the VC winners at least, many seem to have been born in one place and then moved somewhere completely different before they were buried. Many of the Welshmen are buried in England for example. And many Englishmen at the battle seemed to have Welsh names and were probably of Welsh ancestry (being border people)
thebigJM92 3 weeks ago
THE WHITE SUPERMAN TRIUMPHS!
Henners1991 3 weeks ago
What a shame that most videos regarding Zulu and Rorkes drift turn in to Youtube comment wars regarding the Welsh/English debate..... With ABSOLUTELY no disrepect towards Wales and the Welsh, the 24th Foot was an English Regiment at the time, and did not become the South Wales Borderers until 1881, 2 years after the Anglo Zulu War. That is just historical fact. There were Welsh in the Unit, but the higher % were English. What does it really matter, they all fought side by side?
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Amusing comments on here from the welsh , If you hate the English so much then why do you go to England in your droves to work in England & same for the Irish ? Please be honest about it : Because you are, in world matters pretty unimportant and it shows , Americans ,,some i've met have never even heard of Wales LOL!!
MetroMartini 1 month ago
@MetroMartini one of the most ignorant comments ive ever read....the welsh unimportant?.....perhaps as you apparently have so many american friends you should go away and look up how many signatories to the american declaration of independence were of welsh origin?...and while your about it look up the history of the greatest ever english royal dynasty... the tudors - they were welsh!!!...enjoy your history lessons...you certainly need them.....
davidleigh65 1 month ago
@davidleigh65 Well let me get one thing straight . I didn't profess to be an historian . However I'm a realist about racialism that is inherent in the Welsh , in their attitude to the English in general .I cant speak for any ignorance the Americans may have regarding Wales in general since Americans who live in a huge country tend to have little interest or knowledge about European backwaters [coughs] I'm sorry if i offended you & your beautiful country [So I'm told by English]
MetroMartini 1 month ago
"They're counting your rifles"- a tactic of used often in many situations
youngian 1 month ago
@Jord838 Actually they are only purely welsh in the movie. In the real battle they were mixed from all over Britain with only about 20% being welsh. Please look up your facts before you start slandering others for doing the same.
FalconFallen 1 month ago
I don't know much about the controversy.
I found the rendition of this brave song very powerful, and have been waiting for a long time to download it. We sang it in school as kids. Brings back happy memories.
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Mervyn691 1 month ago
They never stood a chance.
falcon3268 1 month ago
We're not called Great Britain for nothing...it should be used more instead of United Kingdom in my opinion.
Trafener 2 months ago
@Trafener United Kingdom includes Northern Ireland, Great Britain doesn't. The full title is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". It all comes from the fact that the Kingdom of England (including the Principality of Wales) was joined with the Kingdom of Scotland to create Great Britain in 1707 (they had had the same King for a hundred years already, but separate Parliaments). Then in 1801 Ireland's Parliament was dissolved in the Act of Union creating the United Kingdom.
thebigJM92 1 month ago
Thanks for clearing that up, i should have really known that but i tend to think of us all as Great Britain because of our past Imperial successes...i won't from now on because i think we are stronger united than apart...even if some say they think they'd be better off alone...
Trafener 1 month ago
@Trafener I fully agree with you. Truth is there's little historical fact put out, just rhetoric from nationalists like Alex Salmond etc. It is a shame because divided we were useless but together we have achieved (and can achieve still) so many great things.
thebigJM92 1 month ago
@Trafener WELL SAID THAT MAN "UNITED WE STAND DEVIDED WE FALL"
tc030564 1 month ago
@winstonchurchill95 Actually it was139 (with 80 only only being fully fit) against 4,000. One of our greatest battles in British history.
BritishJanner 2 months ago 2
It used to be friendly rivalry in sport etc years ago, but some of the comments on here are really nasty. Most people are as proud of their nationality as you and I, so what's the problem? Granted the English have raped Wales for generations in the past, but that was done by the Ruling Classes not the ordinary working man. Bet those who spit the venom, have never had to work alongside other nationalities in life and death situations, soldiering or down a coalmine etc. Just pack it in will you?
pipjake 2 months ago
one of the people who got the victoria cross actually lived in my village
CsMxiKabooM 2 months ago
Most were English? It was a South Wales Battalion with some English people in it. Like this to show that the majority of people at Rorkes drift were actually Welsh not English. (Not trying to hate England or anything it's just this is one of the things which makes us Welsh and it is pretty insulting when someone says that it wasn't a moment of glory for Wales)
Jord838 2 months ago 2
@Jord838 pleae research before youcommit ur fallacies to youtube. i assre u the majority where english, just type in number of welch at rorkes drift into youtube
swanyAJ 2 months ago
@swanyAJ Its a welsh regiment, let them have there moment.
PANDABOIII 2 months ago
@PANDABOIII It was not a Welsh Regiment. It was the Warwickshire Regiment fact. Most of the men were English.
grandslam1998 2 months ago
@grandslam1998 mainly engineirsbuilding bridges for the troops for when they came over. It woz gonna be a outpost. But turned nasty when the zulus decided that we were their to take over. zulus respected us and we respected them. Dont no many people who wud charge a troop of guns just with spears much respect 2 para
Armyboy2011ify 2 months ago
@swanyAJ Please learn to speak English before trying to back up England, it quiet embarrassing to see you throw pathetic arguments at people when you your self don't even know anything which happened at Rorke's Drift . For a start it was a Welsh regiment with English people in it.
Jord838 1 month ago 5
@Jord838 It was the 1st and 2nd Warwicks, many of whose brave boys were recruited in the borders.
johnkenilworth 1 month ago
@Jord838 Ive been speaking english for 16 years now and i dare say that my knowledge of english grammar and the battle of rorkesdrift surpass that of you, your knight in armour behavior and your incompetent fallacies. If you researched before commiting your dribble to the post button youd find that i am indeed correct in the knowledge that the total percenage of welch at rorkes drift amounted to about 15% of the British and colonial force
swanyAJ 1 month ago
@Jord838 Apologies, but that's not correct. In 1879 the 24th Regiment of Foot was the Warwickshire Rgt. An English regiment. It had a lot of Welshmen in it and the regimental depot had been moved to Brecon. A few years after the battle the 24th was amalgamated with the South Wales Borderers and became 24th Regiment of Foot, the South Wales Borderers. The SWB did exist at the time of Rorke's Drift but they weren't there.
1daveyp 6 days ago
@swanyAJ Oh by the way just because I really don't like you because your only saying 'please research before commenting' because every other English person on here is saying it because you cannot stomach the fact that Britain's 300 moment was achieved by us Welsh not you English. It's a similar argument for the battle of Waterloo between English and Scottish people because English people don't like the fact that if it wasn't for the Scott's then you would of lost that battle.
Jord838 1 month ago
@Jord838 Why do you have such an issue with the English? As far as I'm concerned, the men at Rorke's Drift were British - men from Wales, England and Scotland dressed in Red, bearing the Union Flag, with British drill and mind, serving the people of our Island.
And Waterloo? Are you fucking stupid? Stop trying to spread bullshit about the English and Scots - you're making a fucking tit of yourself.
D4mo84 1 month ago
@Jord838 I look forward to the day Wales and Scotland separate from England, I'm sick of all the anti-English nationalist bullshit. But I warn you, UNITED we stand, divided YOU fall.
You cannot break the mind, spirit or will of the British people - and you nationalistic types with your longing to hang on to bad-blood between our ancestors will have your arses served to you - and probably by your neighbour!
UP THE BRITISH!
D4mo84 1 month ago
@D4mo84 The sad thing is about that is that even if we do leave the u.k and go to war with England us Welsh would rather live a day as a dragon rather than live a 100 years as a lion (meaning we would all rather die than bow before you) END OF COMMENTING BACK ALL OTHER REPLIES WILL NOT BE LOOKED AT!
Jord838 1 month ago
@Jord838 That's nice but get over yourselves. You may have a chip on your shoulder, but some other parts of the UK don't.
cosmictimes 1 month ago
@D4mo84 Two Words: Prima Donna
cosmictimes 1 month ago
@cosmictimes for 838 BTW
cosmictimes 1 month ago
wow this is soo moving!
Englishkid95 2 months ago
...can everyone just stop this arguing and random fact statin, it doesnt really matter weither they were mostly english, scottish or welsh, i'm neither nationality when this song gets playing, I'm just British and proud, plain and simple
NewDayStudios 2 months ago 33
@NewDayStudios but this is a welsh songalways has been and always will be
BOBMARELY007 1 month ago
@BOBMARELY007 yes and no ones disputing this, the fact is all nationalities stood together when this was playing on rememberence sunday, so why the big fuss?
NewDayStudios 1 month ago
@NewDayStudios yeah okay fair enough sorry
BOBMARELY007 1 month ago
@NewDayStudios Why should the scotts who the Brition murdered or the Irish who you Occupy with your Terrorist PSNI or the crushing of the Free welsh stand with the Britions who spawned zionist isreal .
TThorne931 1 month ago
@TThorne931 fuck of cunt you know nothing
TheUlsterprotestant 1 month ago
@TheUlsterprotestant I know your a terrorist occupying your peoples homes
TThorne931 1 month ago
@TThorne931 you are wrong again, i served with the royal irish and the only terorists in n.ireland are the cowardly murdering scum of the I.R.A and U.V.F, and a good majority of the people here want to stay british
TheUlsterprotestant 1 month ago
@TThorne931 you are obviously a troll, people like you should get banned from youtube
NewDayStudios 1 month ago
@NewDayStudios Why the Irish and Scottish want freedom from your german queen
TThorne931 1 month ago
@NewDayStudios why would you be a proud Brittish your courts let somalis go after committing a HAte Crime against a white Briton because they are not used to being drunk . Brition is lost Forever to immigrents
TThorne931 1 month ago
@NewDayStudios i agree any1 thats defended great britain scots welsh or british does it matter we are all still 1 nation
xgunner96 1 month ago
@NewDayStudios do you really know what all these lables mean? british isnt an english word its from greek through corruption by the romans.....for people who spoke languages like the welsh........the brits were not english speakers,,,yet we welsh are meant to conform a strange 1801 british identity?.....WHAT ARE THESE LABELS?
3tangle3 3 weeks ago
@3tangle3 3tangle3 does it really matter where these origins came from? just be proud of your country and be proud of your nationality and just enjoy the song/film
NewDayStudios 3 weeks ago
If you're going to insult someone be sure you've not made any mistakes yourself. Yet, 'supprise, supprise', the bigot walks right into it, again.
I'm actually Conservative, and believe people like you should be burned to provide cheaper energy for hospitals. After all, it's not as if you're doing society any good with your archaic, prejudiced views now is it?
Oh and the 'shirley' comment........oh dear oh dear..... XD
Silverfox0984 2 months ago
@Porkchoppa76 As you stated, i've 'won' the arguemnet. Now quiet you bigoted, racist prick and watch the video.
Silverfox0984 2 months ago
@Porkchoppa76 Ah yes, unable to make a coherant, valid and factual retort you resort to disgusting racial slurs, xenophobia and a moronic outburst. Well i think i've said all i need to a backward hayseed inbred bottom feeder like yourself. I bid you a very good day.
Just know this, no matter how much you rant and rave, it still doesn't change the fact that the regiment that fought against the Zulu at Rorke's Drift was not a Welsh Regiment but an English one. Suck on those lemons.
Silverfox0984 2 months ago
@Porkchoppa76 In 1879 it was an ambiguious area and from the 16th to the early 20th Century England and Wales both claimed it. The dispute was settled in 1972 with the Local Government Act 1972 where Monmouthshire was made a part of Wales, but in 1879 it was a separate region, neither English OR Welsh.
Silverfox0984 2 months ago
@Porkchoppa76 Not in 1879 it wasn't you "muppet." It was only in 1976 when it was definitively established as a region of Wales. Silly boy, thought you were being clever then, didn't you.
Silverfox0984 2 months ago
@Porkchoppa76 The nationalities of the men who fought at Rorke's Drift are as follows:
49 were English, 18 Monmouthshire,16 Irish, 1 Scottish, 14 Welsh and 21 of unknown nationality.
What logic are you using to suggest 14 Welshmen in an English Regiment based in a Welsh town, drafted to Natal Colony, was 90% Welsh? You can deny it all you like the fact is it wasn't a 'Welsh' victory by any means.
Silverfox0984 2 months ago
@Silverfox0984 So? They were all British fighting for their Empire. That is all that counts.
2SSSR2 2 months ago
@2SSSR2 You think i don't know that? Yet on every 'Zulu' video you've got overly patriotic Welsh claiming something that wasn't for the sole purpose of stating how it's an example of how the Welsh are better than the English.
Pathetic, i agree, but if we do not educate and inform, ignorance spreads. The facts are they all fought for their lives, not Queen and Country. It was an English Regiment that became Welsh following the Childers Reforms of 1881.
Silverfox0984 2 months ago
@Silverfox0984 Sry, didn't mean to insult. I just wanted to say that it doesn't matter if they were Scots or Englishman or Welsh. They all fought together, they died together and that's what truly counts. And it's not important if this song is for Welshmen, they all sing even if most of them were not from Wells.
I, for one, am proud at these men holding their ground and surviving aldo being outnumbered greatly.
2SSSR2 2 months ago
@2SSSR2 Don't worry, you didn't insult me at all. I too agree and honour the bravery of the incident, and the men who fought. It just appears that whenever a 'patriotic Welshman' talks about 'Zulu', the first thing they say is "ah......Welsh Regiment!"
But whenever they are faced with the realisation that the regiment was in fact English, they go apeshit for some reason. Zulu is a superb film based on the events, but some people see it as factual documentary when they really shouldn't.
Silverfox0984 2 months ago
just visit cwrt y gollen near brecon in wales the medals are there for the south wales borderers 24th afoot
24017460 2 months ago
One VC was an English (Corp of Rotal Engineers), Lots of arm chair generals comment son here
Dellderby1 2 months ago
The film is a bit misleading in places. The geographical scale of the battle was much smaller than portrayed. The Zulus on the mountain over theeeerrreeee were in fact on a small terrace about 2 stories high and 150 odd feet away. The whole area of the mission station was also much smaller and once the hospital was lost the area was really very small indeed.
Also, the missionary was no alcoholic and Pte Hook was not a thief.
jonewer 2 months ago
This is a great song. I have the soundtrack of the film "Zulu Dawn" which was released in 1980 and starred Burt Lancaster and Peter O'Toole. This song is on it but it is an instrumental version played seemingly by a marching band or a symphony orchestra. It is very rousing indeed. Until I watched this video, I never knew the actual lyrics of this song. Thanks a million for uploading this video here!
kenpalmer1965 2 months ago
Were do the fuck do you lot get off no matter what they was at rourkes drift they was real men and they was as one no matter what they was,thats what the real army was not like some of you plastic heros who nos nothing ,they was Regiment and lets be proud of them
victor39376 3 months ago
Of the 122 soldiers of the 24th Regiment present at the Battle of Rorke's Drift, 49 are known to have been of English nationality, 32 were Welsh, 16 were Irish, 1 was a Scot, and 3 were born overseas. The nationalities of the remaining 21 are unknown
hornbyOO 3 months ago
novmber the 11 is skyrim :D
tisgoodjuju 3 months ago
dam niggers
crazyrahul97 3 months ago
"Zulu's sir... Fasands of em!"
MidnighWolf 3 months ago
:It was a FILM ...A good one from many angles, but a Film. I just hope that those who post stupid, politically correct messages on here NEVER find themselves on active service, facing violent death in the face. For the ability for them to make stupid remarks, millions have died, or been wounded, and live with their memories haunting them every day. On Nov 11th, please remember that.
3455peter 3 months ago 9
@3455peter
PC types would be cowering in the corner on active service.
Big on words, short on testicular fortitude.
The whislte of bullets soon sorts that out.
McGovern62 1 month ago
@3455peter We will. We do, even at the setting of the sun.
MrGrindergaz 1 month ago
What was wrong with people not understanding that they needed a deeper commitment in wiping out the Zulu and cleansing the gulf of the slaves too?
ChicaWolverina 3 months ago
why are they singing? what the fuck is going on?
MacLabFever 3 months ago
A great movie based on an historical event. some ill-informed and idiotic comments here.
bladder7000 3 months ago
@RichardElden This wasn't the Boer War, that was 1899-1901. This was the Zulu war 1879
LCplCombat 3 months ago
never break the square
orlaighfinn 3 months ago
Is it true that 1 part of the zulu wars we got battered by the zulu tribe?
gangstersteve1993 3 months ago
@gangstersteve1993 Im pretty sure that the Brits won quickly with no casualties. Ah, but what do I know about that, i'm American.
lordcakedude75 3 months ago
@lordcakedude75 quite possiblely :D
gangstersteve1993 3 months ago
thank you for this i had an anscestor at rorkes drift
eyeball7392 3 months ago
I have stiff nipples watch this... Cymru am Byth
jaymz1990 3 months ago
@RichardElden
Nope. I did not cry. Seeing as I am South African why should I have cried over a war I knew nothing about.
seekoie 4 months ago
I'm confused; why are these lyrics different from the one i heard on a different video?
redbasher636 4 months ago
Not hating on the Welsh but most of the men that were in this regiment fighting at Rorkes drift were infact English, But all were British...Thats the main thing.
arsenaljsutliffuk 4 months ago 31
@arsenaljsutliffuk true, it was only about a third welshmen, but the regiment eventualy became the welsh guards. Exactly, all Brittish, greetings from the valleys pal !
headbangers67 3 months ago
@headbangers67 The 24th regiment of Foot the South Wales Boreders went on to be amalgamted with the Welch Regiment to become the Royal Regiment of Wales (24th/41st foot) in 1969. That regiment then became amalgamated again with The Royal Welch Fusiliers to become The Royal Welsh in 2006.
mafoota 3 months ago
@mafoota the county title of the 24th Regiment of Foot in 1879 was The Worcestershire Regiment. It was changed in 1881 with the Cardwell reforms to the South Wales Borderers.
LCplCombat 3 months ago
@LCplCombat Wawicks I think.
BlackCountryPuddler 3 months ago
@LCplCombat As BlackCountryPuddler poits out it was Warwicks not Worcester, my bad.
LCplCombat 3 months ago
@headbangers67 The Welsh Guards were formed in 1915. They had nothing to do with the SWB
LCplCombat 3 months ago
@arsenaljsutliffuk for gods sake can you not let the welsh have there glory, they were the old and proud south wales borderers of course they were welsh, by the way, i`m an englishment
spokesey55 3 months ago
@spokesey55 As i said im not hating on the Welsh, But i find it highly disrespectful towards the people who fought at Rorkes drift if we dont even acknowledge their birth place.
arsenaljsutliffuk 3 months ago
@arsenaljsutliffuk You are an asshole, the majority of men at rourkes drift were welsh man!You are basically an illiterate,ill informed (im guessing english) cunt!
dannyboy282828 3 months ago
@dannyboy282828 Im sorry but most were infact English, If you don't believe me do some research :)
arsenaljsutliffuk 3 months ago
@dannyboy282828 Rorke's Drift was the station of the 2nd Warwickshires. They became the South Wales Borderers in 1880 a full two years AFTER the battle. They were an English regiment BASED in Brecon Beacons.
Zulu is by no means an accurate account of the battle. They did not sing Men of Harlech, the Zulus did NOT salute them at the end and the majority of soldiers were English nationals. But as stated, they were all BRITISH. Now calm down.
Silverfox0984 3 months ago
@arsenaljsutliffuk My ancestor, a private Desmond, wounded at Rorkes drift, was Irish.
Must have been lost.
baghend 2 months ago
@baghend he ain't dutchy, and if he ain't dutchy then he ain't shit
redpunk 2 months ago
@redpunk Sorry, redpunk- I'm a colonial wanker from the wilds of Canada - a potato famine refugee- and I don't understand the reference to "dutchy".
Can you explain?
Anyway, ZULU was/is a great movie of one of the most incredible stories of the Empire.
Did you happen so to se the movie made of the massacre of the previous days battle at islanwanda?
baghend 2 months ago
@baghend potato famine refugee? damn. you're old.
that still doesn't explain why you're drawing a blank at dutchy though
redpunk 2 months ago
@redpunk well, the famine family was about 150 odd years ago- from Cork. But I'm ancient enough. Sorry but the term dutchy you'll have to explain to me. Sorry for being such a thick old git.
You have the chance to enlighten me mate.
Thanks in advance
Bill the Colonial
baghend 2 months ago
@baghend scroogle it
redpunk 2 months ago
@arsenaljsutliffuk can we not get bogged down in what nationality everybody was, rember there was also other colonial troops of other nationalities, let us just say that they were all some brave bastards who fought together and i hold the upmost respect for
W3lshwolf 2 months ago
@W3lshwolf You're right.
For a great read on it all, see Jan (James) Morris three volumes on the Empire, ending with Farewell the Trumpets- wonderfully written and full of larger than life characters, scoundrels, wankers, eccentrics, bounders, and with lots of real life hero's deserved of the name. Stirring stuff that should not and hopefully will not be forgotten. Empire done right. Including the Enfields and Snyders.
Worst thing they did to many countries was to leave.
Bill in Canada
baghend 2 months ago
1, @arsenaljsutliffuk Aye, but the good singers were Welsh. hehe. Seriously though, of the 24th Regiment B company, 49 were English, 18 Monmouthshire, 16 Irish, 1 Scottish, 14 Welsh and 21 of unknown nationality. They fought and died side by side then, as they are doing today in Afghanistan, and I don't think they gave a damn which part of the British Isles their comrades were from. Why are English/Welsh always at each others throats? It used to be friendly rivalry in sport etc years ago,
pipjake 2 months ago
Hauntingly beautiful tune!!
gmatthews737 4 months ago
that part never happend, the zulus left because of a british relief collum
swanyAJ 4 months ago
welshmen if you please
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@Criticallacitirc "Why are pet ople arguing about "oh there were more welshmen/englishmen" etc.? We're one people, and to the 140 odd men who won at Rorke's Drift, they didn't give a damn where their mates were from. We're all British"
To be honest, in 1879 soldering was not an honourable profession. Everyone was proud of them when they were bravely dead, but Welsh, English, Irish or Martian, the average squaddie would have been lucky to find a pub that would have sold him a pint, let alone
oarfrost 4 months ago
@oarfrost give him a civil word.
oarfrost 4 months ago
@Criticallacitirc
When there's 4000 zulu's attacking, who cares if you're Welsh/English etc, we fight as one. THAT is our strength!
WolfytheWolf5667 4 months ago
I went to America in 1995 Portland. They didnt know what or where Wales was. My nan is true Blood welsh and I AM a man of Halech
Kaldhore 4 months ago
They were the 2/24th of Foot later to be known as the South Wales Borderes. 11 VCs were awarded for the action at the Drift. Why Men of Harlech ? this battalion was mostly made up of Welshmen ... fact
superwelshwizard 4 months ago
@superwelshwizard half half alot were englishmen from the North west as well mixed in with the welsh
TheLazyman555 4 months ago
@TheLazyman555 actually the Welsh were in a minority there were more Scots and Irish but it was still pre-dominantly English
HarlequinBC 4 months ago
@HarlequinBC
when there's 4000 Zulu warriors rushing at you, who gives a shit who fights with you? each person should be honoured as much as the other. even if only 3 welsh came (there was 32 welsh btw) they'd still be honoured for fighting!
WolfytheWolf5667 4 months ago
@WolfytheWolf5667 How the hell did i offend you? I merely supplied some info I remembered, i've probably made a mistake but I did not purposefully do it as an insult. It's like remarking how Wellington had Irishmen in his army, its just a remark I'm not trying to be antagonistic to any nationality or anyone
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Legionairius807 4 months ago
somebody tell me why english people are singeing a welsh song
SNIFtoheveryend123 4 months ago
@SNIFtoheveryend123
Because there was 42 English, 32 Welsh.
This is a English victory. Not a welsh one. But we honour the Welsh as comrades.
WolfytheWolf5667 4 months ago 2
@SNIFtoheveryend123
They are WELSH. 24th Regiment ......well most of them anyway :-)
seekoie 4 months ago
I was surprised when visiting Cardiff castle recently that there was very little mention of the battle of Rorke's Drift I eventually found a small model of the battle and list of names of the 97(?) names who fought on the BRITISH side.The majority of those were in fact non-Welsh in fact most them were English!!!!!
cowle70 5 months ago
@cowle70
Go to Brecon, that's where Welsh soldiers of the battle are honored.
Faxe90Swe 5 months ago
@Faxe90Swe
Spot on my man
oldhippiejon 4 months ago
@cowle70 Suggest you come to Brecon and visit the Barracks here, the museum of The South Wales Borderers, all the stuff on Rorke's Drift, take in the Cathedral and see the colour staff and Union Flag flow at Isandlwana incidentally you will find that Brecon lost more men than any other town at Isandulwana. Brecon was the home station of the 24th foot and hence the change of name too The South Wales Borderers.
oldhippiejon 4 months ago
@oldhippiejon im frim the brecon beacons and am now 61 and now live in england and i salute any welsh warrior past or present.. I sing the national anthem every morning and im bloody proud to be welsh
remporkink 4 months ago
@remporkink
Good to hear from you my man, salute to you as well, stay safe.
oldhippiejon 4 months ago
can i answer a question, why has the union flag got nothing to represent wales ? wales has been apart of the uk for a long time hasnt it :S ?
JordanEvans3794 5 months ago
@JordanEvans3794 , Wales is not represented on the Union Flag because unlike Scotland and Ireland it never signed an Act of Union with England. It was suborned by the English crown as a Principality (not a Nation) in the 16th century and remains so. I presume that it remains so because hard-core Welsh nationalists would probably rather push for full independence ('within Europe, of course) rather than be a full member of the Union, but I'm not sure.
Londonfogey 5 months ago
@Londonfogey oh ok... so how do we sign an act of union lolz ? and how come like, all of the royal family are the princess and princes of wales :S ? not scotland or ireland :S im confused lol i would love to have the st davids cross somewhere in the union flag :)
JordanEvans3794 5 months ago
@JordanEvans3794 It's very complicated and messy but whereas England, Scotland and Ireland (now northern Ireland) were considered whole kingdoms, as they either had a real King (England and Scotland) or a sovereign Parliament equal to a King (Ireland) at the time they were united, Wales was absorbed by England without ever having a King, only a number of Prince's or one dominant Prince. So it is not considered a full kingdom but a Principality instead.
thebigJM92 5 months ago
@thebigJM92
True.
That's why they never get mentionede by their own right. It's always England and Wales. which is a good thing! that has served us well in our past.
Cymru a Lloegr!!!!
:)
Britian is an island, and we are all Britons.
FathersOfTFW 4 months ago
@FathersOfTFW Amen to that. Brothers forever!
thebigJM92 4 months ago
@JordanEvans3794 The union between Wales and England was not done via Parliaments or written constitutional documents as it happened before such things had been developed. Instead the union was cemented by the English King making his first-born son and heir the Prince of Wales- a symbolic act of linkage. That tradition has survived to this day.
thebigJM92 5 months ago
@thebigJM92 so would it be possible anytime soon for the cross of st david to be on the union flag :S ?
JordanEvans3794 5 months ago
@JordanEvans3794 It is perfectly possible as there is no reason why it couldn't be added. But it is unlikely. Changing the flag would be quite a hassle so it would only happen if there was a serious and sustained demand from the Welsh people.
thebigJM92 5 months ago
More Victorian Crosses were awarded the action at Rorke's Drift than any other time. Sure the movie took a few liberties with the truth but that's showbiz. One hell of a good song. Watch the movie and try to find the fubars.
jdriskill3 5 months ago
@jdriskill3
Unture more VC's were issued during the Indian mutiny which lasted a few days.Rorke's Drift holds the record for VC's issued in a single day.
cowle70 5 months ago
Film about a fact,and stacks of VC's I could not imagin the situation,and what pressure those guys were under.
To pass comment on some of the stupid keybord commando comments below.is just a waste of my time.
old45marine 5 months ago
Stop bitching about who fought in the regiment and what nationality they are because in this battle they all fought under the Union flag.
BlindPilot95 5 months ago 4
@BlindPilot95
I can understand that some people are sensitive about the fact that the regiment was Welsh. I mean, sure they fought under the Union flag, but how did they get under that flag in the first place? By conquest. The Welsh have every right to make sure no Englishman takes credit for Rorke's Drift. And there's the fundamental issue that the Welsh are the natives of England as well, but were driven off their lands. Sensitive stuff.
Faxe90Swe 5 months ago
@Faxe90Swe Yeah totally agree with what your saying, however its a bit hypocritical to mention it when we were fighting Zulu's in their OWN land, so it doesn't matter whether they are Welsh, Scottish or Jamaican.
BlindPilot95 5 months ago
@BlindPilot95
Not really, since the Welsh had no choice but to go where their government told them to go. A conquered people conquering for their conquerers.
Faxe90Swe 5 months ago
@Faxe90Swe See I agree again but if Wales want to go independent they can, same with Scotland, however they will soon want to come back as they would not be able to cope.
BlindPilot95 5 months ago
@BlindPilot95
They can go independent now (next year, right?), but they've not had that opportunity for 700 years. Had they had the choice earlier, they'd probably go independent, but now their economy and institutions are too mixed with the English ones.
Faxe90Swe 5 months ago
@Faxe90Swe Do you seriously believe they could cope independently? Where would they drive there economy from? What can they export that will be able to sustain them as a nation. Its much more complicated than just rebelling or just claiming independence. What about homeland security? What about public health? Law enforcement? Government? Trade?
BlindPilot95 5 months ago 2
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@BlindPilot95
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, "but now their economy and institutions are too mixed with the English ones."
Faxe90Swe 5 months ago
@warwickforever Actually they were not. I am english myself but even I know this regiment is well know for recruiting in South Wales. It was a mixed unit.
SymonDymond 5 months ago
why is every one fightin im english but i love the weash and the english so why cant we all got along?
clonehero1 5 months ago
@clonehero1 Agree. As proud as I am of my own lineage. (except a bit of a french glitch around 1066 which we try and ignore) I have huge respect for the welsh.
SymonDymond 5 months ago
@SymonDymond
The Normans were Norwegian as well.
Faxe90Swe 5 months ago
@Faxe90Swe We never went further than " the french connection" despite the quasi aristocratic connection the revelation crushed our family. We never really had the same pride in our history after that. Jokes aside, one of my friends found out at school and I spent most of my childhood with the name "froggy".
SymonDymond 5 months ago
@SymonDymond What are you talking about?
Faxe90Swe 5 months ago
@clonehero1 Weash
old45marine 5 months ago
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@old45marine i cant help it if i cant spell
clonehero1 5 months ago
what a tosser callings us sheep shaggers
PanTheMan2K 5 months ago
@PanTheMan2K SHEEEEP SHAGGGGERS! Only joking :)
evertonjf08 5 months ago
All you english cunts, Who are twats calling us sheep shaggers, 19-9 in the rugby to us sheepshaggers! <3
Santaisreal100 5 months ago
@Santaisreal100
you're still a sheep shagger.
AustralianPyro 5 months ago