I adore this commercial. Your view (according to the description of the video) is very one sided. When I see this video with a woman in a child's room; it shows that a woman does not have to have had an abortion to be pro-choice. Being pro-choice isn't about being pro-abortion; it's about keeping women's right to choose.
@NocturnalAngel77 ROFL! pro-choice IS pro-abortion. Duh. The opposite would be anti-abortion. A woman can choose what she wants to do with her body. but the body of the child is not hers. It belongs to the child.
@MegaBadhorsie Firstly, I would like to thank you for keeping your response mature. Well done!
Secondly, I would like to point out that a child and a foetus are two different things. Is an egg a chicken? No and therefore your argument is invalid.
Research a few things. How many women get abortions "just for kicks" (you will find none) compared to those who are in poverty, had birth control fail or would have lost their lives. Take away the right to choose and you're the one killing people.
Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened during and after that moment.
Scientists use of the term "the singularity" to describe what was there prior to the big bang. It's the same thing we believe, we just know that your "singularity" is God.
1) Ad hominem attacks are the certain sign of your weak position.
2) What about my post don't you like? That I "straw manned" those theories as"Frankenstein" or "ET". But, strip away the scientific jargon and thats what you got. If the average person knew what those theories really said they wouldn't believe them either.
3) Is God speaking everything into existence less credible than the big bang, which states that there was "nothing", then a moment later "everything" (all matter)?
@72dew I know enough of abiogenesis to know there's no such thing.
If you don't like me calling it Frankenstein, I'm sorry but thats what it sounds like. But don't dismiss (or other creationists) me as needing to study it (life from non-life) more. The guys who have studied and have HUGE financial, and spiritual, interests in making it happen can't do it. They are "always 'learning' but never coming to the knowledge of the truth".
Put another a and call it "aabiogenesis" cuz it ain't happening
@BrotherofWord well, guess what? abiogenesis is a done experiment. i dont even need to ask you anything else, just by calling it "frankenstein" shows you have 0 understanding. i didnt make any claim about ET besides it's not true and ONLY a possible hypothesis, mere possibility. quit putting words in my mouth. on the other hand, what empirical proof do you have of creation? everything in biology contradicts creation
@PitbeastA Wrong of me to say: scientist now flock to alien seed theory...too soon to say that. But why not? Its no more asinine than life beginning as a single-celled Frankenstein(other cells surrounding it with tiny torches and pitchforks).
They're both inane and demonstrate man's attempt to eliminate God so that he can be in charge of his own life and be accountable to no one.
Be humbled by the Creator and He will reveal Himself to you. Be humbled by your sin and He will forgive you.
@BrotherofWord "scientist now flock to alien seed theory"- this hypothesis only came from the experiment that tardigrades can survive outside space in pure vacuum. there's no evidence, it's only a hypothesis or possibility.
you cant eliminate something you dont have a reason to believe in. god in this case. there's no evidence. the bible isnt evidence.
apparently you have no knowledge of abiogenesis, your "frankenstein" theory, i suggest you do some studying before commenting
While this may not prove Biblical creation for you (or anyone cuz none of us were there) it makes more sense than premordial Frankenstein model where amino acids clump together, forming proteins, then get electrocuted (by lightning, or a 220 outlet) and started self-replicating (ie became alive). Scientists, finally seeing impossibilty of this (it can't even be reproduced in controlled experiments) now flock to "alien seed" theory (life from intelligence, just don't call it God)
@PitbeastA Sorry so late, this didn't show up in my inbox; I found it randomly (thanks youtube).
Do a google search for mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam and you'll see that (even though there is wide debate on the date (BCE) they existed) there is the proof now that all humans can be traced to maternally to this Eve and paternally to this Adam.
omg I had no idea they actually had commercials about abortion, I thought that it was kept kind of hush hush...I'm really surprised. Why is she in a child's room??
It's your choice.... be Pro-Choice... If you don't like your baby and it's an accident... it doesn't matter. Just kill the child, even after it's born. In fact, if you don't like someone else... just kill them. You'll be much happier.
Ah the Euphemisms service us well as history has proven. Verbal Reengineering worked on Slavery, Indians, Jews & now the most innocent & marginalized of them all, a baby in the womb.Its funny how we say "never again" then we do it again Different Rhetoric, different demographic, same outcome JPII was right we do live in a Culture of Death. You don't have to be religious to see it. Just use reason
@passionsinging101 says: if you're dumb enough to start having sex, you should be the one who gives birth.
This is the most fucking narcoleptic logic I've ever heard! First of all, this IS happening all over the world and it is RUINING counties due to overpopulation, poverty, famine, and disease. It's the reason why the U.S. Government needs to supply welfare. You idiotic people insist that all pregnancies must be carried out to the end, but then when these children need Medicaid, childcare, a
@Jazabelle85 You are absolutely correct. They do not see it that way though. They want to save the foetus and ignore the child. Their hearts bleed for an underdeveloped cell cluster that is not yet a viable human being yet once that baby is born, the parents can be poverty stricken and homeless. Those same people picketing the abortion clinics will turn a blind eye. Lovely. Truly lovely. Let the child suffer once it can feel pain. How merciful of them...
@Walkinginthelight38 Women have been having abortions all over the world for thousands of years..When's god going to start judging? Which nation? The few places in the world where abortions not legal have as many abortions per capita as other countries.
hosea 4 9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
@Walkinginthelight38 Ezekial 4;9-15 is all about god telling people to bake bread with human poop. I can't believe that people still take a bunch of stuff written by superstitios tribal goat herders from the Middle East seriouslyThe bible condemns eating rabbits because they chew their cud(rabbits don't do that,god neglected to mention that) women wearing mens clothes should killed& the earth is the center of the universe. Superstitions don't belong when making public health policies.
@dianalee84 God actually said that using human excrement as fuel to burn to bake the bread was a punishment for those who were exiled because of their rebellion and immorality. The Bible isn't saying it's a GOOD thing as you imply. You're demonstrating nothing but your own ignorance. The same goes for your statement on Rabbits. Our modern-day definition of "chew the cud" is very different to what was referred to back then in ancient times.
@dianalee84 If you did some research on the translation between the phrases and the Hebrew used, you would have found this out. So the phrase translated to English as “chew the cud” literally means something on the order of “eats that which is brought forth again.” because of the Hebrew word used " 'alah".
You're utterly wrong about the statement on mens/womens clothing. They should be "killed" for that?? The Bible does not say that at all. You're either ignorant or lying.
@Daracon1010 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God" (Deuteronomy 22:5)
Maybe you should have studied the bible more closely.
@dianalee84 Superstitious tribal goat herders? Do you know absolutely anything at all? If you'd done some research into the Bible you would would actually know that you're wrong... but you're clearly just lazy and ignorant. The Earth is the center of the universe?? First of all, it's not wrong, and it cannot be by definition - because positions and locations are relative to others.
You're right - superstitions like atheism don't belong anywhere.
@Daracon1010 says: "You're right - superstitions like atheism don't belong anywhere."
Yet after the birth all of these foetuses you're attempting to save God says "Stone disobedient children" (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
How very merciful of your God and how lucky for those unwanted children that they shall now suffer (and feel that pain you tried to save them from in-uteri) at the hands of their resentful parents each day.
@dianalee84 I mean - nothing can create everything? rofl. I didn't know that nothing could create absolutely everything. Of course naturalism is true. Didn't you know that nothing can turn into everything?
@Daracon1010 guess what? at the quantum level, the law of conservation of mass and energy can be violated. electron+positron=nothing, and this process can be reversed but if a positron becomes, an electron also must exist.
a real fool says "because im too lazy to study and figure this out, therefore god did it."
@72dew Your definition of nothing is incorrect, and non-matter cannot spontaneously fabricate into matter without aid.
When I said "nothing" I wasn't referring to empty space and time without matter. Space and Time are not "nothing". They are something. That's what you fail to understand. So before your mouth off, learn what the true definition of "nothing" in this context is. I'm lazy? Absolutely not. Are you ignorant? Perhaps...
@angelicabarbie21 You ARE correct that I don't know what pain you've been through, but I know that there are countless people who have also suffered greatly (born with deformities; been afflicted with hideous diseases; lost loved ones; been horribly hurt by "loved ones", etc) who have NOT blamed God, but instead have repented of their OWN sins (you can't make others repent for sins against you), and given thanks to the God who has, in love and grace, given you every good thing you ever received
@soeffingwhat As for earliest man, I could not agree with you more that he has been proven. The latest and best DNA research points to a common HUMAN ancestor to every person on the planet. Y chromosomal man (Adam if you will).
@soeffingwhat Sorry so late, was out of town. As for proof, logically we know that if there is a building or painting there was a builder or painter. THIS is the only proof that God gives: creation presupposes creator (and I'm not even saying the Christian God at this point; just that some intelligence created everything). To believe otherwise taked a greater faith (ie that everything just exists on its own is a greater mental stretch.
How is this creepy? What Is creepy is people who think they should have a right to determine other peoples reproductive choices,and stop women having acess to a safe and legal abortion. Especially creepy when it's based upon a tribal Palestinian superstition that not everyone adheres to. Don't agree with abortion? Don't have one!
@Demonizedangelx She's in a child's room for goodness sake, pretending to be a caring mother talking about baby-killing ! And then you have the absent child from the commercial. Is there a child or was she aborted ? Makes you wonder.
@wowoak No, it doesn't "make you wonder" because there are many good mothers on this Earth that haven't had abortions. That does not mean they would take that choice away from another woman. Are you so narrow minded to think that all women who believe in the right to choose are childless? I suppose that also means that meat eaters cannot have pets. You know, since we're all animal killers...
As far as slavery goes (and the presumed assent God gives because He gives instruction as to how slaves are to be treated): In Bible times slavery was not akin to the african slave trade that europeans (and later americans) practiced. It was muchmore like indentured servitude. This to: pay off debts, ward off poverty, etc. These servants had protections and human right more like employees.
The kidnapping, possession, AND sale of humans was punishable by death (Ex 21:16). God is not unjust!
@myPaperBleedsInk Easy to make accusations in 500 words or less. Harder to rfute, but I'll try.
I'm assuming by killng babies and people you mean "war". Cuz outside of war, or His righteous judgement of a people, killing is ALWAYS against God's will.
As far as rape. Rapist were to be executed (God's righteous judgement carried out by man).
Tone doesn't come accross in type so please don't read hatred or any "I'm better than you" attitude in my words. Its much more of a pleading...like a doctor who knows a patient needs a cure, but the patient doesn't want it and doesn't even know he's sick.
I'm sorry if it sounds that way and I do understand because many Christains (or "christians", I can explain what I mean by this) do have that superior tone.
I can cite refernces for all the Bible quotes if you want to verify
As for Hell: I didn't mention it. All I said was that the excuses man gives to justify his self-gratifying thoughts and actions may work to appease their minds today but will not be heard on that day. "All men's mouths will be stopped"
Thats called Judgement Day and ALL men know its coming, "they have a certain fearful expectation of judgement" in fact.
Christ will be there and will represent (the Bible actually uses the term "advocate") and clear, not all, but those who are His
@soeffingwhat The proof that God exists is creation and conscience. All of creation, which presupposes a creator, declares the might and glory of God; conscience because He has given all men, even unbelievers, the knowledge of right and wrong.
Now, most men, in their desire to be unaccounatble to anyone, supress this truth in their love for thier sin (love of pleasure and love of the illusion of autonomy).
@BrotherofWord Thats still no proof Mate. We have become the Conscious Beings we are through Years of Evolution. The Earliest Man has been proved. Nothing of Adam and Eve has been proved at all. So answer me that?
@BrotherofWord I don't believe so, only you "believers actually believe in it. And its funny really, you all believe in different aspects of it, some believe the World will end this Year, others believe in all sorts of other Wild theories. But none has happened, and none has been proven. I'm not triyng to be spiteful or hateful, all I';m asking you for is actuall Proof, thats all.
You immediately f-bombed, when my comment was respectful.
You called the world a miserable place and said God will have to "answer to you" for it, despite Him creating you and letting you share in the common grace that He shows to all people, refusing to see the good He has blessed you with (ie people in your life that love you, a warm place to sleep, food and drink, etc) and give Him thanks for it.
All this and you don't want a new heart? Be reconciled to God while u can!
@BrotherofWord no, by telling me my words wouldnt be good enough for god to accept i tske that very un respectfully actually, i think christianity is sickening! i used to be one actually until i saw the REAL truth about how God treats people. I'm supposed to thank God for what I have when I feel like I'm living a nightmare?! Screw that and screw anyone who tells me i need a new heart. I'll tell you what I need i need my own rights for my on body to not be tampered with by anyone!
Quick history of the world: God created everything and it was Good. Man, instead of thankfully obeying and honoring God, chose to obey his own rules, thereby establishing himslef as god (this spirit of rebellion reigns still today). Sin and death entered the world as a result. God, in loving grace, became a man, to do what no man has done which is perfectly obey and though innocent die to not only forgive the sins of those who believe but restore creation to "good"
@BrotherofWord "God created everything and it was Good" - Where is the Proof that the World was created by any God. I've asked you "chirstians" this so many times and NONE of you can answer it.
@angelicabarbie21 Yeah right "your body" It isn't "your body" what about the baby in your body. What about IT'S body? What about the fact that it has a heart beat and can move, and feel, and think. U don't care.
@crazyability it doesnt develop until weeks into the pregnancy, and it is DEVELOPING in MY body, I have a heartbeat, I can move, and feel, and I AM A PERSON who will choose for ME
@angelicabarbie21 Yeah, but no one is trying to kill you. You and an unborn baby are equal lives, and killing the child, just so you can not have to worry about adoption is selfish. Killing a human is wrong, and if you say abortion isn't killing then, how is stopping a human's heart beat not killing it?
@angelicabarbie21 THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST SELFISH ANSWERS I HAVE EVER HEARD. IT MAY BE YOUR BODY, BUT YOU ARE TAKING SOMEONE ELSES' LIFE. YOU HAVE BEEN INTRUSTED BY GOD TO TAKE CARE OF THIS CHILD, BUT INSTEAD YOU KILL IT AND DON'T EVEN CARE. THAT IS SO SAD. SORRY, BUT IT IS TRUE!!!!
@REDBEANS22 SELFISH?! ummm yea no fucking way is that selfish! i didnt ask God to be a fucking girl! or to have something be able to grow inside of me! its not anyone elses life but mine! and i am not going to let you or any of you other pro life people take my rights away from me! it isnt killing when it hasnt even formed! and idc what any of you have to say its my body and my decision and there isnt one damn thing you or God can judge me for! Maybe God needs to rethink his plans!
@angelicabarbie21 A cell? really? You really think that until 5 mos the unborn child is one cell? The unborn baby can feel pain, think, dream, move, and has a heart beat all in the time that abortions are legal.
@crazyability if it was fully developed it could live on its own outside the womb, unless it is ready to be born it is not a full human being it is still a cell
@crazyability and another thing to add to that is that i dont care if it has a heartbeat, you know what there will never be any convincing pro life people otherwise, this is how I feel, and you can say im heartless/going to hell/etc. but personally, i dont care anymore what anyone in the world has to say to me. You dont know anything about me or what I have been through, or why i feel that God has no right to make me so that i have to have the responsibility of child bearing.
@soeffingwhat Actually, during that time, the unborn baby can do about as much as a newborn baby, so if your going to say abortion is ok, you also must think murdering newborns is ok.
@crazyability No it can't, not at 5 Weeks and I know because I've seen and Studied it. There is as yet no Heart and no Brain and no feelings yet. It is not proven that Life begins at Conception. That is believed by mainly Religious Obsessive Individuals. Abortion is NOT the same as "murdering a newborn" and People like you have no right to say it does when you have no proof. Are you one of those People who believe Contraception is wrong also?
@passionsinging101 I admit I'm certainly more pro-choice but I certainly do not like the idea of Abortions after 5 Weeks. And at 10 or 12 Weeks, not at all.
@LaserPixie , GOD IS THE FOUNDATION OF WHY THIS COUNTRY WAS STARTED, HE IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS, THIS IS HIS WORLD. THAT IS WHY I BRING HIM INTO THIS CONVERSATION. THE LAWS OF THIS LAND WERE MADE BASED ON THE WORD OF GOD. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CHURCH. YES, WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE AND I CHOOSE TO NOT APPROVE OF KILLING INNOCENT CHILDREN. I BELIEVE IN GOD AND IN HIS WORD AND IT SAYS, THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
@REDBEANS22 Who says God is the foundation? just because YOU feel that way does not mean we do, God is a funny thought, he makes so many of his wise little rules yet if he is real he has broken all of them
THE THING WITH GOD IS THAT HE GIVES US ALL FREE WILL AND HE WILL NEVER TAKE THAT AWAY. WE JUST HAVE TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO ANSWER TO HIM FOR EVERYTHING WE DO, RIGHT OR WRONG.
@soeffingwhat I HAVE SEEN HIM WORK TOO MUCH IN MY LIFE TO DENY HIS EXISTENCE. YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE IN SOMEONE YOU NEVER HAVE KNOWN SO I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO BELIEVE ME. ALSO, JUST BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT BELEIVE THAT GOD DOES EXIST, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE DOESN'T. IT IS PUT IN THE SOUL OF EVERY BEING TO KNOW THAT HE DOES EXIST, BUT WHEN YOU DENY IT FOR SO LONG, YOU START BELEIVING IT AND YOU USE THE, "WHAT IF HE DOESN'T EXIST" SPEECH TO MAKE LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT HE DOES.
@REDBEANS22 Ok first off...THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOUT!!! and secondly, how do you "know" you have "seen him Work??" How do you "Know" you've seen any God Work? I ask you Religious Preachers time and time to prove this and none of you can. So come on Mate, be the first to prove to me he exists.
@soeffingwhat you will be crying out for the great i am soon enough,i hope you accept him before then. God bless you,and believe it or not,even though you might not think of him,he sacrificed his only son on the cross for you...God is great,he gave us the gift of life,give him a second thought and find it in your heart to give him something back..Jesus does love you
SO YOU THINK THAT IT IS OKAY TO LEGALIZE MURDERING DEFENSELESS CHILDREN. ONE OF THE SEVEN THINGS GOD HATES ARE HANDS THAT SHED INNOCENT BLOOD. GOD DOES NOT CAUSE MISCARRIAGES, THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES. WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE END OF TIME AND IT WILL STILL BE WRONG. CREATING LAWS THAT MAKE KILLING OKAY STILL DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT OR RIGHT WITH GOD.
You pro-choicers will give an account for every idle word, about all things mind you, but here we'll stay with your comments regarding the shedding innocent blood. Since it is 1 of ONLY 7 things listed that God hates, I'd pray that God grants you a new heart, because you can't change it on your own.
Today, in your pride (also in the 7), you'll not racant, in fact you'll be indignant and may curse. But standing before God, your mouth will be stopped, you'll wish to recant but won't be able to.
what are you babbling on about? If your god is the christian god, he loves killing babies, raping women, killing people, owning slaves, and all that other fun stuff. You should get to know your own religion a little better before making those kinds of statements.
@BrotherofWord so "god" allows baby animals or animals in general to be killed and skinned alive and all of that, but ending a pregnancy "OMG". im guessing killing animals isn't on that list? war? what's the 7 things "god" hates? and if "he" is against abortion, then why does he give women miscarriages? or even allow abortions.
@BrotherofWord Fuck that, God has to answer to ME, ive been put on this miserable earth by him, had to deal with being everything he CHOSE for me, i did not choose to be a girl, did not choose to be here, and i certainly did not choose to be ablle to have something grow inside of me, i REFUSE to recant/repent/and feel sorry for everything I did not choose to be! And no Christian fanatic will convince me otherwise. I MOST DEFINITLY DONT WANT A NEW HEART EITHER thank you very much
@BrotherofWord Here we go, yet another Fire-and-Brimstone Preacher Christian. I ask you as I have asked the others, - where is your proof that there is any such thing as God?
THAT IS SOOOOOO SAD TO HAVE A "MOTHER" IN A CHILD'S ROOM TALKING ABOUT MURDERING CHILDREN!!!! YES, IT IS MURDER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T KILL A NON-LIVING THING!!! THE CHILD MAY NOT BE BORN, BUT YOU CAN'T GROW ANYTHING BUT A HUMAN BEING IN THE WOMB!!!!
@PencilOverPen If we don't have the right to be born then WTF!
Everyone has the right to life! Abortion is disgusting and murder
Normally done by scared girls who lack a foundation in life and don't know God. Most of them likely had drop out dads, and no one to ensure they knew what a real man looks like.
You can be as "nice", pleasant and well intentioned person, but when the tough times come that is what defines your character!
i am pro-life. abortion has become less of a choice and more of a business where doctors and family pressure the mother into abortion. also, i believe abortion is not about denying a woman's rights- it's about preserving another's. woman still have a choice when they are pregnant: adoption, keeping the child. if the child is not adopted and put into an orphanage than yes, his/her life will be difficult but they does not mean that his/her life was never worth living.. please think before aborting
@sullhann Never worth living? Who in their right mind would willingly send a child off to live a crappy life, instead of a good one??? Child abuse happens to too many children in the foster care and adoption agencies, why would you willingly send someone into that, wouldn't you want to prevent that?
And are children really able to raise children when they themselves are not fully developed? No.
@Roxas131413 Yes, every time a baby is aborted it is magically transported into the land of lolipops candy and stuffed animals where it lives a happy life untill the end of eternity.If you actually imply that no life at all is better than a bad life I will assume you believe in some sort of afterlife and ask you to go back to praising the toothpick god.If you don't, however, please gather your entire family in one place and blow it up, along with yourself, to preserve humanity's gene pool.
@chairincarnate Wow, it's clear somebody pissed in your cheerios this morning. My family is fine, and so am I. I'll do one better than blow us up, I'll be sterilized. I don't want kids, I never have, and people would rather force me into a disgusting situation in which I have to choose the fate of another person, a life of shit or a short and sweet existence of doing nothing but float around and then peacefully slip away into nothing by euthanasia, I don't want it ripped apart.
@chairincarnate The gene pool is already fucked, btw. Also...here is my honest answer to forcing me to birth another person against my will: Take my fucking uterus out and shove a baby inside, I don't give a damn, just get that horrible organ out of my body and make sure no one uses it for their own 'agenda' whether it be rape or being a parasitic little diaper monster, just leave me, my body, and my life out of it.
The fetus has a right to life, as long as it stays out of mine.
@sullhann Your far to general, contraception can fail, women can be raped, victim of incest. I strongly disagree when ppl say the fetus is more important my focus is on the person already living-=who will suffer many problems having a child including health problems to getting a job. The funding for adoption system is poor and is full, why brign more unwanted children into the world?
I'm personally for choice. Since the worlds already over populated what's the point in adding more? Not like that many humans left have "good genes" physically wise, myself included, what if you give birth and it's so messed up from mix of genes that it can't survive on it's own for the rest of it's life, like a vegetable, it would *most likely* be depressed from that. Anyway, your more likely to stick with what ever you learn first, unless it's not brought up, then it's personal opinion.
If only abortion were illegal, there are parents who would adopt a baby, but instead that baby's body is lying in a trash dumb somewhere, no respect to his or her life, no funeral, no love. The world is a sick place.
@crazyability Thats the thing about many of these so-called Pro-Lifers, they love to claim they protect Babies in the Womb. But the thing is, as soon as they're out, they're someone elses Problem. Its like George Carlin said "when your in the Womb, your safe, but as soon as your out, your f**ked"
@soeffingwhat That is completely untrue! The majority of people who adopt, who donate to orphans, and who own orphanages are pro-life christians! I've met many people who have adopted children, none of which aren't pro-life.
@crazyability sorry just saw you're comment. eh, i have actually heard people say they rather would of not been born than go through what they've gone though. i think it's foster care? they go live with different families and dont have one of their own, and the foster parents might be, inappropriate and mistreat the children. a child actually feels the pain of being hurt and not being loved, a fetus does not :/ .
@PencilOverPen if someone does not wish to live, that's their choice, but unborn babies are being killed everyday regardless of whether they wan't to die or not, and that should be their choice, not their mother's choice.
@TheMarkNessMonster If a woman thinks she's old enough to have sex, than she's old enough to pay the consequences of sex. It's her fault she got pregnant, not the child's fault, and no baby deserves to die, just because their mother was too irresponsible to think before she had sex.
@crazyability "If a woman thinks she's old enough to have sex, than she's old enough to pay the consequences of sex." What about the tens of thousands of children that are raped every day? Do you think THEY are old enough to pay the consequences of sex? You are arguing the position of a misogynist, and who the fuck do you think you are to decide what's best for a woman?
@TheMarkNessMonster Less than one percent of abortions are the result of rape, and even if someone is raped no unborn child deserves to die for their father's mistake. If a child is raped, they can raise their child, with help, or if it is too hard for them, there is always adoption. There is a never a time when abortion is necessary. I'm not deciding anything, but the fact of the matter is that abortion is murder, so either tell me 1. Why abortion isn't murder, or 2. why murder is acceptable.
@crazyability "and even if someone is raped no unborn child deserves to die for their father's mistake." See, there's where you need to prove your argument, if you are making the argument that life begins at conception. I just spent most of yesterday waiting for 2 people to prove it, and all they spouted was a bunch of christian nonsense. Bullshit that's dependent upon the belief in the bullshit for the argument to be true. So what are you going to do?
Wow. Was this 1986 or 2012?
TheLamentingNerd 1 hour ago
women are stone cold, just accept it.
l337pwnage 2 hours ago
I adore this commercial. Your view (according to the description of the video) is very one sided. When I see this video with a woman in a child's room; it shows that a woman does not have to have had an abortion to be pro-choice. Being pro-choice isn't about being pro-abortion; it's about keeping women's right to choose.
NocturnalAngel77 13 hours ago
@NocturnalAngel77 There is no top comment; that should be it.
FirstRival24 6 hours ago
@FirstRival24 Why, thank you. :-)
NocturnalAngel77 2 hours ago
@NocturnalAngel77 No problem.
FirstRival24 2 hours ago
@NocturnalAngel77 ROFL! pro-choice IS pro-abortion. Duh. The opposite would be anti-abortion. A woman can choose what she wants to do with her body. but the body of the child is not hers. It belongs to the child.
MegaBadhorsie 3 hours ago
@MegaBadhorsie Firstly, I would like to thank you for keeping your response mature. Well done!
Secondly, I would like to point out that a child and a foetus are two different things. Is an egg a chicken? No and therefore your argument is invalid.
Research a few things. How many women get abortions "just for kicks" (you will find none) compared to those who are in poverty, had birth control fail or would have lost their lives. Take away the right to choose and you're the one killing people.
NocturnalAngel77 2 hours ago
I like this commercial.
BunnyBaeBay 22 hours ago 2
@jerico641
Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened during and after that moment.
Scientists use of the term "the singularity" to describe what was there prior to the big bang. It's the same thing we believe, we just know that your "singularity" is God.
BrotherofWord 23 hours ago
@jerico641
1) Ad hominem attacks are the certain sign of your weak position.
2) What about my post don't you like? That I "straw manned" those theories as"Frankenstein" or "ET". But, strip away the scientific jargon and thats what you got. If the average person knew what those theories really said they wouldn't believe them either.
3) Is God speaking everything into existence less credible than the big bang, which states that there was "nothing", then a moment later "everything" (all matter)?
BrotherofWord 23 hours ago
Wow, another sicko ad.
MarilynNo1 1 day ago
@72dew You can shroud them in fancy language, but it's still foolishness
You say: "in reducing atmospheres, ELECTRICAL activity can catalyze monomers of life and eventually prokaryotes"
I say: "FRANKENSTEIN"
You say: "delievery by carbonaceous chondrites or gravitaional attraction of organic molecules or other primitive life forms to Earth from SPACE"
I say: ET
These are vain attempts to explain life's genesis without God...but we Christains have blind faith? Repent and trust in the Lord!
BrotherofWord 1 day ago
@BrotherofWord
I don't know if you got blind faith or not, dude, but you definitely got some mental health issues.
jerico641 1 day ago
@72dew And the "ET" is even worse: life seeded on this planet from outer space.
"Frankenstein" and "ET" ARE two prevailing theories among scientists regarding the genesis of life on this planet.
BrotherofWord 1 day ago
@72dew I know enough of abiogenesis to know there's no such thing.
If you don't like me calling it Frankenstein, I'm sorry but thats what it sounds like. But don't dismiss (or other creationists) me as needing to study it (life from non-life) more. The guys who have studied and have HUGE financial, and spiritual, interests in making it happen can't do it. They are "always 'learning' but never coming to the knowledge of the truth".
Put another a and call it "aabiogenesis" cuz it ain't happening
BrotherofWord 1 day ago
@BrotherofWord
Well, what makes you think some god "spoke" everything into existence? I suppose that's not nutty in your opinion?
jerico641 1 day ago
@BrotherofWord well, guess what? abiogenesis is a done experiment. i dont even need to ask you anything else, just by calling it "frankenstein" shows you have 0 understanding. i didnt make any claim about ET besides it's not true and ONLY a possible hypothesis, mere possibility. quit putting words in my mouth. on the other hand, what empirical proof do you have of creation? everything in biology contradicts creation
72dew 17 hours ago
@PitbeastA Wrong of me to say: scientist now flock to alien seed theory...too soon to say that. But why not? Its no more asinine than life beginning as a single-celled Frankenstein(other cells surrounding it with tiny torches and pitchforks).
They're both inane and demonstrate man's attempt to eliminate God so that he can be in charge of his own life and be accountable to no one.
Be humbled by the Creator and He will reveal Himself to you. Be humbled by your sin and He will forgive you.
BrotherofWord 2 days ago
@BrotherofWord "scientist now flock to alien seed theory"- this hypothesis only came from the experiment that tardigrades can survive outside space in pure vacuum. there's no evidence, it's only a hypothesis or possibility.
you cant eliminate something you dont have a reason to believe in. god in this case. there's no evidence. the bible isnt evidence.
apparently you have no knowledge of abiogenesis, your "frankenstein" theory, i suggest you do some studying before commenting
72dew 2 days ago
@PitbeastA
While this may not prove Biblical creation for you (or anyone cuz none of us were there) it makes more sense than premordial Frankenstein model where amino acids clump together, forming proteins, then get electrocuted (by lightning, or a 220 outlet) and started self-replicating (ie became alive). Scientists, finally seeing impossibilty of this (it can't even be reproduced in controlled experiments) now flock to "alien seed" theory (life from intelligence, just don't call it God)
BrotherofWord 2 days ago
@PitbeastA Sorry so late, this didn't show up in my inbox; I found it randomly (thanks youtube).
Do a google search for mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam and you'll see that (even though there is wide debate on the date (BCE) they existed) there is the proof now that all humans can be traced to maternally to this Eve and paternally to this Adam.
BrotherofWord 2 days ago
omg I had no idea they actually had commercials about abortion, I thought that it was kept kind of hush hush...I'm really surprised. Why is she in a child's room??
Ocrisia83 3 days ago
It's your choice.... be Pro-Choice... If you don't like your baby and it's an accident... it doesn't matter. Just kill the child, even after it's born. In fact, if you don't like someone else... just kill them. You'll be much happier.
Daracon1010 3 days ago
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Choice=Murder
Unwanted=Murder
My Body= “”
Unplanned= “”
Equality = “”
Reproductive Rights = “”
Ah the Euphemisms service us well as history has proven. Verbal Reengineering worked on Slavery, Indians, Jews & now the most innocent & marginalized of them all, a baby in the womb.Its funny how we say "never again" then we do it again Different Rhetoric, different demographic, same outcome JPII was right we do live in a Culture of Death. You don't have to be religious to see it. Just use reason
teton99 3 days ago
How is this creepy? I agree with this entirely. What she said was completely true.
NegaRose13 5 days ago
This isn't creepy... I agree with it completely.
ShortStackClemmensen 5 days ago
@ShortStackClemmensen it's creepy, because it's an ADVERTISMENT! Young girls watching it!
WeAreChangeAustria 5 days ago 2
how is this "creepy"? she was speaking in a normal way, no strange pictures or such. and i agree with what she said.
eggyolksam 5 days ago
rape and incest abortion make up 1% the rest are just people out their having a good time
kellyannabama 1 week ago 2
@BrotherofWord What DNA proves this?
PitbeastA 1 week ago
An foodstamps you turn aroun and proclaim them to be leeches on society. You pro-lifers make me sick!
Jazabelle85 1 week ago
@passionsinging101 says: if you're dumb enough to start having sex, you should be the one who gives birth.
This is the most fucking narcoleptic logic I've ever heard! First of all, this IS happening all over the world and it is RUINING counties due to overpopulation, poverty, famine, and disease. It's the reason why the U.S. Government needs to supply welfare. You idiotic people insist that all pregnancies must be carried out to the end, but then when these children need Medicaid, childcare, a
Jazabelle85 1 week ago
@Jazabelle85 You are absolutely correct. They do not see it that way though. They want to save the foetus and ignore the child. Their hearts bleed for an underdeveloped cell cluster that is not yet a viable human being yet once that baby is born, the parents can be poverty stricken and homeless. Those same people picketing the abortion clinics will turn a blind eye. Lovely. Truly lovely. Let the child suffer once it can feel pain. How merciful of them...
NocturnalAngel77 2 hours ago
she says this in a child's room...
zebrachic7899 1 week ago 2
@zebrachic7899 how ironic......
weakfunny77 6 days ago
@weakfunny77 don't you think? it's like RAAAA-III-AINNNNNN
bttwgtw 6 days ago
@bttwgtw rather sick,she is making the advert in a wee girls room,.....murder end off
weakfunny77 6 days ago
God is going to judge this nation for this
Walkinginthelight38 1 week ago
@Walkinginthelight38 Women have been having abortions all over the world for thousands of years..When's god going to start judging? Which nation? The few places in the world where abortions not legal have as many abortions per capita as other countries.
dianalee84 1 week ago
hosea 4 9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Rev 18:9-10 (KJV)
Walkinginthelight38 1 week ago
@Walkinginthelight38 Ezekial 4;9-15 is all about god telling people to bake bread with human poop. I can't believe that people still take a bunch of stuff written by superstitios tribal goat herders from the Middle East seriouslyThe bible condemns eating rabbits because they chew their cud(rabbits don't do that,god neglected to mention that) women wearing mens clothes should killed& the earth is the center of the universe. Superstitions don't belong when making public health policies.
dianalee84 6 days ago 2
@dianalee84 God actually said that using human excrement as fuel to burn to bake the bread was a punishment for those who were exiled because of their rebellion and immorality. The Bible isn't saying it's a GOOD thing as you imply. You're demonstrating nothing but your own ignorance. The same goes for your statement on Rabbits. Our modern-day definition of "chew the cud" is very different to what was referred to back then in ancient times.
Daracon1010 3 days ago
@dianalee84 If you did some research on the translation between the phrases and the Hebrew used, you would have found this out. So the phrase translated to English as “chew the cud” literally means something on the order of “eats that which is brought forth again.” because of the Hebrew word used " 'alah".
You're utterly wrong about the statement on mens/womens clothing. They should be "killed" for that?? The Bible does not say that at all. You're either ignorant or lying.
Daracon1010 3 days ago
@Daracon1010 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God" (Deuteronomy 22:5)
Maybe you should have studied the bible more closely.
NocturnalAngel77 2 hours ago
@dianalee84 Superstitious tribal goat herders? Do you know absolutely anything at all? If you'd done some research into the Bible you would would actually know that you're wrong... but you're clearly just lazy and ignorant. The Earth is the center of the universe?? First of all, it's not wrong, and it cannot be by definition - because positions and locations are relative to others.
You're right - superstitions like atheism don't belong anywhere.
Daracon1010 3 days ago
@Daracon1010 says: "You're right - superstitions like atheism don't belong anywhere."
Yet after the birth all of these foetuses you're attempting to save God says "Stone disobedient children" (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
How very merciful of your God and how lucky for those unwanted children that they shall now suffer (and feel that pain you tried to save them from in-uteri) at the hands of their resentful parents each day.
NocturnalAngel77 2 hours ago
@dianalee84 I mean - nothing can create everything? rofl. I didn't know that nothing could create absolutely everything. Of course naturalism is true. Didn't you know that nothing can turn into everything?
The fool says in his heart "There is no God".
Daracon1010 3 days ago
@Daracon1010 guess what? at the quantum level, the law of conservation of mass and energy can be violated. electron+positron=nothing, and this process can be reversed but if a positron becomes, an electron also must exist.
a real fool says "because im too lazy to study and figure this out, therefore god did it."
72dew 2 days ago
@72dew Your definition of nothing is incorrect, and non-matter cannot spontaneously fabricate into matter without aid.
When I said "nothing" I wasn't referring to empty space and time without matter. Space and Time are not "nothing". They are something. That's what you fail to understand. So before your mouth off, learn what the true definition of "nothing" in this context is. I'm lazy? Absolutely not. Are you ignorant? Perhaps...
Daracon1010 18 hours ago
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NocturnalAngel77 2 hours ago
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@Walkinginthelight38 Your God says that life begins at the first breath of life. Your argument is invalid. Babies breathe; foetuses do not.
NocturnalAngel77 2 hours ago
@angelicabarbie21 You ARE correct that I don't know what pain you've been through, but I know that there are countless people who have also suffered greatly (born with deformities; been afflicted with hideous diseases; lost loved ones; been horribly hurt by "loved ones", etc) who have NOT blamed God, but instead have repented of their OWN sins (you can't make others repent for sins against you), and given thanks to the God who has, in love and grace, given you every good thing you ever received
BrotherofWord 1 week ago
@soeffingwhat As for earliest man, I could not agree with you more that he has been proven. The latest and best DNA research points to a common HUMAN ancestor to every person on the planet. Y chromosomal man (Adam if you will).
BrotherofWord 1 week ago
@soeffingwhat Sorry so late, was out of town. As for proof, logically we know that if there is a building or painting there was a builder or painter. THIS is the only proof that God gives: creation presupposes creator (and I'm not even saying the Christian God at this point; just that some intelligence created everything). To believe otherwise taked a greater faith (ie that everything just exists on its own is a greater mental stretch.
BrotherofWord 1 week ago
If you were dumb enough to start having Sex, you should be the one to give birth!
passionsinging101 1 week ago
@passionsinging101 so we'd be populated by people with weak self control who cant afford condoms WUT??
sonnetxi 1 week ago
Theres a mother in arizona who left her newborn baby in front of a strangers house . It just makes you think sometimes
Phoeniqueraputaz 1 week ago
@Phoeniqueraputaz think about what? harry potter?
sonnetxi 1 week ago
How is this creepy? What Is creepy is people who think they should have a right to determine other peoples reproductive choices,and stop women having acess to a safe and legal abortion. Especially creepy when it's based upon a tribal Palestinian superstition that not everyone adheres to. Don't agree with abortion? Don't have one!
dianalee84 1 week ago 3
@dianalee84 How many aborted babies do you think agreed to their abortion? Hmmmmm....
Minxcomix 1 week ago
How on earth is this creepy?
MissLeigh78 1 week ago
How was that creepy?
Demonizedangelx 1 week ago
@Demonizedangelx She's in a child's room for goodness sake, pretending to be a caring mother talking about baby-killing ! And then you have the absent child from the commercial. Is there a child or was she aborted ? Makes you wonder.
wowoak 1 week ago
@wowoak
"talking about baby-killing"
Oh really?
chrisxy123 4 days ago
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@wowoak
"talking about baby-killing"
Oh really?
chrisxy123 4 days ago
@wowoak No, it doesn't "make you wonder" because there are many good mothers on this Earth that haven't had abortions. That does not mean they would take that choice away from another woman. Are you so narrow minded to think that all women who believe in the right to choose are childless? I suppose that also means that meat eaters cannot have pets. You know, since we're all animal killers...
NocturnalAngel77 2 hours ago
i bet you one unplanned pregnancy that you're pro-choice
strawberriesandcandy 2 weeks ago 2
Rape victims account for less than 1% of all abortions world wide
angela10336 2 weeks ago
I think she ate her baby.
FemJesse 2 weeks ago
Outdated yes. Creepy only because she is advocating killing a baby in what looks like a childs room.
MaHaRushie 2 weeks ago
Why is she in a child's bedroom, folding kid's clothing if she wants abortion??
carissaannlucia 2 weeks ago
no top comment huh?bananas.
flowr96 2 weeks ago
I have see this for a while,all people pro-abort has been born
Leathermouth182 2 weeks ago
As far as slavery goes (and the presumed assent God gives because He gives instruction as to how slaves are to be treated): In Bible times slavery was not akin to the african slave trade that europeans (and later americans) practiced. It was muchmore like indentured servitude. This to: pay off debts, ward off poverty, etc. These servants had protections and human right more like employees.
The kidnapping, possession, AND sale of humans was punishable by death (Ex 21:16). God is not unjust!
BrotherofWord 2 weeks ago
@myPaperBleedsInk Easy to make accusations in 500 words or less. Harder to rfute, but I'll try.
I'm assuming by killng babies and people you mean "war". Cuz outside of war, or His righteous judgement of a people, killing is ALWAYS against God's will.
As far as rape. Rapist were to be executed (God's righteous judgement carried out by man).
BrotherofWord 2 weeks ago
@soeffingwhat
Tone doesn't come accross in type so please don't read hatred or any "I'm better than you" attitude in my words. Its much more of a pleading...like a doctor who knows a patient needs a cure, but the patient doesn't want it and doesn't even know he's sick.
I'm sorry if it sounds that way and I do understand because many Christains (or "christians", I can explain what I mean by this) do have that superior tone.
I can cite refernces for all the Bible quotes if you want to verify
BrotherofWord 2 weeks ago
@soeffingwhat
As for Hell: I didn't mention it. All I said was that the excuses man gives to justify his self-gratifying thoughts and actions may work to appease their minds today but will not be heard on that day. "All men's mouths will be stopped"
Thats called Judgement Day and ALL men know its coming, "they have a certain fearful expectation of judgement" in fact.
Christ will be there and will represent (the Bible actually uses the term "advocate") and clear, not all, but those who are His
BrotherofWord 2 weeks ago
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soeffingwhat 2 weeks ago
@soeffingwhat The proof that God exists is creation and conscience. All of creation, which presupposes a creator, declares the might and glory of God; conscience because He has given all men, even unbelievers, the knowledge of right and wrong.
Now, most men, in their desire to be unaccounatble to anyone, supress this truth in their love for thier sin (love of pleasure and love of the illusion of autonomy).
BrotherofWord 2 weeks ago
@BrotherofWord Thats still no proof Mate. We have become the Conscious Beings we are through Years of Evolution. The Earliest Man has been proved. Nothing of Adam and Eve has been proved at all. So answer me that?
soeffingwhat 2 weeks ago
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@BrotherofWord I don't believe so, only you "believers actually believe in it. And its funny really, you all believe in different aspects of it, some believe the World will end this Year, others believe in all sorts of other Wild theories. But none has happened, and none has been proven. I'm not triyng to be spiteful or hateful, all I';m asking you for is actuall Proof, thats all.
soeffingwhat 2 weeks ago
@angelicabarbie21
You immediately f-bombed, when my comment was respectful.
You called the world a miserable place and said God will have to "answer to you" for it, despite Him creating you and letting you share in the common grace that He shows to all people, refusing to see the good He has blessed you with (ie people in your life that love you, a warm place to sleep, food and drink, etc) and give Him thanks for it.
All this and you don't want a new heart? Be reconciled to God while u can!
BrotherofWord 2 weeks ago
@BrotherofWord no, by telling me my words wouldnt be good enough for god to accept i tske that very un respectfully actually, i think christianity is sickening! i used to be one actually until i saw the REAL truth about how God treats people. I'm supposed to thank God for what I have when I feel like I'm living a nightmare?! Screw that and screw anyone who tells me i need a new heart. I'll tell you what I need i need my own rights for my on body to not be tampered with by anyone!
angelicabarbie21 2 weeks ago
@AnybodyelseStillUnclear
Quick history of the world: God created everything and it was Good. Man, instead of thankfully obeying and honoring God, chose to obey his own rules, thereby establishing himslef as god (this spirit of rebellion reigns still today). Sin and death entered the world as a result. God, in loving grace, became a man, to do what no man has done which is perfectly obey and though innocent die to not only forgive the sins of those who believe but restore creation to "good"
BrotherofWord 2 weeks ago
@BrotherofWord "God created everything and it was Good" - Where is the Proof that the World was created by any God. I've asked you "chirstians" this so many times and NONE of you can answer it.
soeffingwhat 2 weeks ago
@PencilOverPen
God doesn't "give" women miscarriages, just like God doesn't give people cancer, or send hurricanes to judge new orleans (sorry Pat Robertson).
But we do live in a fallen world where disease, hunger, depression, death, and depraved ways of thinking are the result.
BrotherofWord 2 weeks ago
@BrotherofWord well that is what some people say :/ .
PencilOverPen 2 weeks ago
how the fuck is this creepy? unless you define creepy as having the right to choose what you want for your body
angelicabarbie21 2 weeks ago
@angelicabarbie21 Yeah right "your body" It isn't "your body" what about the baby in your body. What about IT'S body? What about the fact that it has a heart beat and can move, and feel, and think. U don't care.
crazyability 2 weeks ago
@crazyability it doesnt develop until weeks into the pregnancy, and it is DEVELOPING in MY body, I have a heartbeat, I can move, and feel, and I AM A PERSON who will choose for ME
angelicabarbie21 2 weeks ago
@angelicabarbie21 Yeah, but no one is trying to kill you. You and an unborn baby are equal lives, and killing the child, just so you can not have to worry about adoption is selfish. Killing a human is wrong, and if you say abortion isn't killing then, how is stopping a human's heart beat not killing it?
crazyability 2 weeks ago
@crazyability no, i am not equal to a cell that is developing, and i am no longer forming in someone else body, so yea, my choice, my body
angelicabarbie21 2 weeks ago
@angelicabarbie21 THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST SELFISH ANSWERS I HAVE EVER HEARD. IT MAY BE YOUR BODY, BUT YOU ARE TAKING SOMEONE ELSES' LIFE. YOU HAVE BEEN INTRUSTED BY GOD TO TAKE CARE OF THIS CHILD, BUT INSTEAD YOU KILL IT AND DON'T EVEN CARE. THAT IS SO SAD. SORRY, BUT IT IS TRUE!!!!
REDBEANS22 2 weeks ago
@REDBEANS22 SELFISH?! ummm yea no fucking way is that selfish! i didnt ask God to be a fucking girl! or to have something be able to grow inside of me! its not anyone elses life but mine! and i am not going to let you or any of you other pro life people take my rights away from me! it isnt killing when it hasnt even formed! and idc what any of you have to say its my body and my decision and there isnt one damn thing you or God can judge me for! Maybe God needs to rethink his plans!
angelicabarbie21 2 weeks ago
@REDBEANS22 what if the woman is in danger by the pregnancy like optopic n she could die then what
sonya342 2 weeks ago
@sonya342 You think too much. Lets stop the 99% of them that are done for convenience. Then we can deal with special cases.
MaHaRushie 2 weeks ago
@angelicabarbie21 A cell? really? You really think that until 5 mos the unborn child is one cell? The unborn baby can feel pain, think, dream, move, and has a heart beat all in the time that abortions are legal.
crazyability 2 weeks ago
@crazyability if it was fully developed it could live on its own outside the womb, unless it is ready to be born it is not a full human being it is still a cell
angelicabarbie21 2 weeks ago
@angelicabarbie21 Actually there have been babies who survived abortions. Also any human with a heart beat is alive.
crazyability 2 weeks ago
@crazyability well then they did it when the baby was already close to being born
angelicabarbie21 2 weeks ago
@angelicabarbie21 No, actually these babies were victims, and survivors of legal abortions.
crazyability 1 week ago
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angelicabarbie21 1 week ago
@crazyability well then the abortion wasnt done properly
angelicabarbie21 1 week ago
@crazyability and another thing to add to that is that i dont care if it has a heartbeat, you know what there will never be any convincing pro life people otherwise, this is how I feel, and you can say im heartless/going to hell/etc. but personally, i dont care anymore what anyone in the world has to say to me. You dont know anything about me or what I have been through, or why i feel that God has no right to make me so that i have to have the responsibility of child bearing.
angelicabarbie21 2 weeks ago
@crazyability Not from Conception up to 5 Months it doesn't.
soeffingwhat 2 weeks ago
@soeffingwhat Actually, during that time, the unborn baby can do about as much as a newborn baby, so if your going to say abortion is ok, you also must think murdering newborns is ok.
crazyability 1 week ago
@crazyability No it can't, not at 5 Weeks and I know because I've seen and Studied it. There is as yet no Heart and no Brain and no feelings yet. It is not proven that Life begins at Conception. That is believed by mainly Religious Obsessive Individuals. Abortion is NOT the same as "murdering a newborn" and People like you have no right to say it does when you have no proof. Are you one of those People who believe Contraception is wrong also?
soeffingwhat 1 week ago
@soeffingwhat After 5 weeks, at 10 and 12 weeks pregnancy, the baby can feel everything. And that is when most people get Abortions.
passionsinging101 1 week ago
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soeffingwhat 1 week ago
@passionsinging101 I admit I'm certainly more pro-choice but I certainly do not like the idea of Abortions after 5 Weeks. And at 10 or 12 Weeks, not at all.
soeffingwhat 1 week ago
@crazyability all them wee nerves that have never felt anything before,and their first feeling is getting sucked into a vacum:(
weakfunny77 3 days ago
What's all this talk about "god" when the subject of abortion comes up? The context of the subject is a legal issue.
I have one phrase to say to the people who want to outlaw it for religious reasons...
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
Look up the Constitution, it's one of the first things listed!
LaserPixie 2 weeks ago
@LaserPixie , GOD IS THE FOUNDATION OF WHY THIS COUNTRY WAS STARTED, HE IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS, THIS IS HIS WORLD. THAT IS WHY I BRING HIM INTO THIS CONVERSATION. THE LAWS OF THIS LAND WERE MADE BASED ON THE WORD OF GOD. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CHURCH. YES, WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE AND I CHOOSE TO NOT APPROVE OF KILLING INNOCENT CHILDREN. I BELIEVE IN GOD AND IN HIS WORD AND IT SAYS, THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
REDBEANS22 2 weeks ago
@REDBEANS22 Who says God is the foundation? just because YOU feel that way does not mean we do, God is a funny thought, he makes so many of his wise little rules yet if he is real he has broken all of them
angelicabarbie21 2 weeks ago
@REDBEANS22 WELL THEN, GO AND TELL IT TO ALL THOSE AMERICANS WHO OWN GUNS. TELL IT TO THE US SOLDIERS IN IRAQ. HYPOCRITE.
soeffingwhat 2 weeks ago
THE THING WITH GOD IS THAT HE GIVES US ALL FREE WILL AND HE WILL NEVER TAKE THAT AWAY. WE JUST HAVE TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO ANSWER TO HIM FOR EVERYTHING WE DO, RIGHT OR WRONG.
REDBEANS22 2 weeks ago
@REDBEANS22 Oh really? And just how do you know that there even is a God that we have to answer to?
soeffingwhat 2 weeks ago
@soeffingwhat I HAVE SEEN HIM WORK TOO MUCH IN MY LIFE TO DENY HIS EXISTENCE. YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE IN SOMEONE YOU NEVER HAVE KNOWN SO I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO BELIEVE ME. ALSO, JUST BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT BELEIVE THAT GOD DOES EXIST, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE DOESN'T. IT IS PUT IN THE SOUL OF EVERY BEING TO KNOW THAT HE DOES EXIST, BUT WHEN YOU DENY IT FOR SO LONG, YOU START BELEIVING IT AND YOU USE THE, "WHAT IF HE DOESN'T EXIST" SPEECH TO MAKE LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT HE DOES.
REDBEANS22 2 weeks ago
@REDBEANS22 Ok first off...THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOUT!!! and secondly, how do you "know" you have "seen him Work??" How do you "Know" you've seen any God Work? I ask you Religious Preachers time and time to prove this and none of you can. So come on Mate, be the first to prove to me he exists.
soeffingwhat 2 weeks ago
@soeffingwhat you will be crying out for the great i am soon enough,i hope you accept him before then. God bless you,and believe it or not,even though you might not think of him,he sacrificed his only son on the cross for you...God is great,he gave us the gift of life,give him a second thought and find it in your heart to give him something back..Jesus does love you
weakfunny77 3 days ago
@weakfunny77 Don't bother spewing your Religious Crap without Proof Mate.
soeffingwhat 2 days ago
SO YOU THINK THAT IT IS OKAY TO LEGALIZE MURDERING DEFENSELESS CHILDREN. ONE OF THE SEVEN THINGS GOD HATES ARE HANDS THAT SHED INNOCENT BLOOD. GOD DOES NOT CAUSE MISCARRIAGES, THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES. WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE END OF TIME AND IT WILL STILL BE WRONG. CREATING LAWS THAT MAKE KILLING OKAY STILL DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT OR RIGHT WITH GOD.
REDBEANS22 2 weeks ago
You pro-choicers will give an account for every idle word, about all things mind you, but here we'll stay with your comments regarding the shedding innocent blood. Since it is 1 of ONLY 7 things listed that God hates, I'd pray that God grants you a new heart, because you can't change it on your own.
Today, in your pride (also in the 7), you'll not racant, in fact you'll be indignant and may curse. But standing before God, your mouth will be stopped, you'll wish to recant but won't be able to.
BrotherofWord 2 weeks ago
@BrotherofWord
what are you babbling on about? If your god is the christian god, he loves killing babies, raping women, killing people, owning slaves, and all that other fun stuff. You should get to know your own religion a little better before making those kinds of statements.
MyPaperBleedsInk 2 weeks ago
@BrotherofWord so "god" allows baby animals or animals in general to be killed and skinned alive and all of that, but ending a pregnancy "OMG". im guessing killing animals isn't on that list? war? what's the 7 things "god" hates? and if "he" is against abortion, then why does he give women miscarriages? or even allow abortions.
PencilOverPen 2 weeks ago 2
@BrotherofWord Fuck that, God has to answer to ME, ive been put on this miserable earth by him, had to deal with being everything he CHOSE for me, i did not choose to be a girl, did not choose to be here, and i certainly did not choose to be ablle to have something grow inside of me, i REFUSE to recant/repent/and feel sorry for everything I did not choose to be! And no Christian fanatic will convince me otherwise. I MOST DEFINITLY DONT WANT A NEW HEART EITHER thank you very much
angelicabarbie21 2 weeks ago
@BrotherofWord Here we go, yet another Fire-and-Brimstone Preacher Christian. I ask you as I have asked the others, - where is your proof that there is any such thing as God?
soeffingwhat 2 weeks ago
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They forgot to show how you burn in hell too,to make it more convincing:P
MrMethadrine 2 weeks ago
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MrMethadrine 2 weeks ago
THAT IS SOOOOOO SAD TO HAVE A "MOTHER" IN A CHILD'S ROOM TALKING ABOUT MURDERING CHILDREN!!!! YES, IT IS MURDER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T KILL A NON-LIVING THING!!! THE CHILD MAY NOT BE BORN, BUT YOU CAN'T GROW ANYTHING BUT A HUMAN BEING IN THE WOMB!!!!
REDBEANS22 2 weeks ago
@REDBEANS22 You can too grow things in your womb other than babies. You can grow tumours or cists!
Tasya89 2 weeks ago
@REDBEANS22
murder is unlawful killing.... abortion is legal killing.... therefore the two are not equivalent.
MyPaperBleedsInk 2 weeks ago
@bornxtoxsayxhi actually if you get an abortion you're not a mother, and if you get an abortion it's a fetus not a baby :) .
PencilOverPen 2 weeks ago
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@PencilOverPen If we don't have the right to be born then WTF!
Everyone has the right to life! Abortion is disgusting and murder
Normally done by scared girls who lack a foundation in life and don't know God. Most of them likely had drop out dads, and no one to ensure they knew what a real man looks like.
You can be as "nice", pleasant and well intentioned person, but when the tough times come that is what defines your character!
Jamespot24 2 weeks ago
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@bornxtoxsayxhi I think its even higher than 93%
I think that less than 1% for threatening the mothers life, 2% for birth defects, and if rape is less than 1%.
that means that 96% of abortions are Healthy Babies conceived by consensual sex
We always here the politicians use some absurd case like "what if shes 13 and raped by her dad"
When in reality the vast majority of abortions are just for convenience
Jamespot24 2 weeks ago
I'm against abortion but I don't want the government telling me what I can and can not do with MY body .
a0m0l7 2 weeks ago
hate this
TheMichellepop 2 weeks ago
i am pro-life. abortion has become less of a choice and more of a business where doctors and family pressure the mother into abortion. also, i believe abortion is not about denying a woman's rights- it's about preserving another's. woman still have a choice when they are pregnant: adoption, keeping the child. if the child is not adopted and put into an orphanage than yes, his/her life will be difficult but they does not mean that his/her life was never worth living.. please think before aborting
sullhann 2 weeks ago
@sullhann and you, and all other pro-life advocates, have that right ... when it comes to your own body.
MrTamnus007 2 weeks ago
@sullhann Never worth living? Who in their right mind would willingly send a child off to live a crappy life, instead of a good one??? Child abuse happens to too many children in the foster care and adoption agencies, why would you willingly send someone into that, wouldn't you want to prevent that?
And are children really able to raise children when they themselves are not fully developed? No.
No one should force abortion or pregnancy. EVER.
Those doctors shouldn't be in it for money.
Roxas131413 2 weeks ago 3
@Roxas131413 Yes, every time a baby is aborted it is magically transported into the land of lolipops candy and stuffed animals where it lives a happy life untill the end of eternity.If you actually imply that no life at all is better than a bad life I will assume you believe in some sort of afterlife and ask you to go back to praising the toothpick god.If you don't, however, please gather your entire family in one place and blow it up, along with yourself, to preserve humanity's gene pool.
chairincarnate 2 weeks ago
@chairincarnate Wow, it's clear somebody pissed in your cheerios this morning. My family is fine, and so am I. I'll do one better than blow us up, I'll be sterilized. I don't want kids, I never have, and people would rather force me into a disgusting situation in which I have to choose the fate of another person, a life of shit or a short and sweet existence of doing nothing but float around and then peacefully slip away into nothing by euthanasia, I don't want it ripped apart.
Roxas131413 2 weeks ago
@chairincarnate The gene pool is already fucked, btw. Also...here is my honest answer to forcing me to birth another person against my will: Take my fucking uterus out and shove a baby inside, I don't give a damn, just get that horrible organ out of my body and make sure no one uses it for their own 'agenda' whether it be rape or being a parasitic little diaper monster, just leave me, my body, and my life out of it.
The fetus has a right to life, as long as it stays out of mine.
Roxas131413 2 weeks ago
@sullhann Your far to general, contraception can fail, women can be raped, victim of incest. I strongly disagree when ppl say the fetus is more important my focus is on the person already living-=who will suffer many problems having a child including health problems to getting a job. The funding for adoption system is poor and is full, why brign more unwanted children into the world?
vaseline162 2 weeks ago
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If someone holds a gun to your head, are you the fetus being murdered? It's their choice to kill you and not yours.
Abortion and murder are the same exact thing.
mjt19741 2 weeks ago
There had to be a better place to set this commercial than an empty child's room.
FlamingSpidermonkeys 2 weeks ago
@FlamingSpidermonkeys Yeah... there was a better place to put this. But not a kid's room...
PeachWookiee 2 weeks ago
I'm personally for choice. Since the worlds already over populated what's the point in adding more? Not like that many humans left have "good genes" physically wise, myself included, what if you give birth and it's so messed up from mix of genes that it can't survive on it's own for the rest of it's life, like a vegetable, it would *most likely* be depressed from that. Anyway, your more likely to stick with what ever you learn first, unless it's not brought up, then it's personal opinion.
EmoKiwiFruit 2 weeks ago
I was born in 1986! My mom voted NO!!!! Pro-Life!!
TheNursey13 2 weeks ago
If only abortion were illegal, there are parents who would adopt a baby, but instead that baby's body is lying in a trash dumb somewhere, no respect to his or her life, no funeral, no love. The world is a sick place.
crazyability 3 weeks ago
@crazyability Thats the thing about many of these so-called Pro-Lifers, they love to claim they protect Babies in the Womb. But the thing is, as soon as they're out, they're someone elses Problem. Its like George Carlin said "when your in the Womb, your safe, but as soon as your out, your f**ked"
soeffingwhat 3 weeks ago 2
@soeffingwhat That is completely untrue! The majority of people who adopt, who donate to orphans, and who own orphanages are pro-life christians! I've met many people who have adopted children, none of which aren't pro-life.
crazyability 2 weeks ago
@crazyability Do you know how many abortions are done every day? Thousands.
Sorry there just areN't enough 'parents who would adopt a baby'.
But it is wonderful that some women chose to carry their children and put them up for adoption - an extremely hard thing to do.
prochoicecliniescort 3 weeks ago
@prochoicecliniescort Even if a child would be an orphan their whole life, it's better than death!
crazyability 2 weeks ago
@crazyability sorry just saw you're comment. eh, i have actually heard people say they rather would of not been born than go through what they've gone though. i think it's foster care? they go live with different families and dont have one of their own, and the foster parents might be, inappropriate and mistreat the children. a child actually feels the pain of being hurt and not being loved, a fetus does not :/ .
PencilOverPen 2 weeks ago
@PencilOverPen if someone does not wish to live, that's their choice, but unborn babies are being killed everyday regardless of whether they wan't to die or not, and that should be their choice, not their mother's choice.
crazyability 2 weeks ago
@crazyability So you think it's ethical to force pregnancies on women? That's fucking absurd, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
TheMarkNessMonster 2 weeks ago 2
@TheMarkNessMonster If a woman thinks she's old enough to have sex, than she's old enough to pay the consequences of sex. It's her fault she got pregnant, not the child's fault, and no baby deserves to die, just because their mother was too irresponsible to think before she had sex.
crazyability 2 weeks ago
@crazyability "If a woman thinks she's old enough to have sex, than she's old enough to pay the consequences of sex." What about the tens of thousands of children that are raped every day? Do you think THEY are old enough to pay the consequences of sex? You are arguing the position of a misogynist, and who the fuck do you think you are to decide what's best for a woman?
TheMarkNessMonster 2 weeks ago
@TheMarkNessMonster Less than one percent of abortions are the result of rape, and even if someone is raped no unborn child deserves to die for their father's mistake. If a child is raped, they can raise their child, with help, or if it is too hard for them, there is always adoption. There is a never a time when abortion is necessary. I'm not deciding anything, but the fact of the matter is that abortion is murder, so either tell me 1. Why abortion isn't murder, or 2. why murder is acceptable.
crazyability 2 weeks ago
@crazyability "and even if someone is raped no unborn child deserves to die for their father's mistake." See, there's where you need to prove your argument, if you are making the argument that life begins at conception. I just spent most of yesterday waiting for 2 people to prove it, and all they spouted was a bunch of christian nonsense. Bullshit that's dependent upon the belief in the bullshit for the argument to be true. So what are you going to do?
TheMarkNessMonster 2 weeks ago
@crazyability "There is a never a time when abortion is necessary. " I beg to differ.
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TheMarkNessMonster 2 weeks ago