A BEAUTIFUL BUT SINISTER SKY - HEREFORD CHEMTRAILS - 12-02-09

[turlochothit]

It looked like this in Eskilstuna, Sweden today. Synthetic clouds caused by persistent trails or chemtrails. They worry me! I was first scetic, but I am a believer now. After watching the skys for three years now, I can tell the difference between a contrial and a so-called chemtrails and between clouds and so-called chemclouds. What amazes me is that a majority of the population is asleep to the phenomenon. Even if it ordiantry air traffic we have the problem of global dimming!!!

[dodgydodds]

@turlochothit i couldnt agree more. And there is still such an active push to deny it. It is prob one of the biggest issues today. All we can do is spread the word isnt it. peace my friend

[dodgydodds]

4- the many statements of wistleblowers and insiders. Who have good credentials and are upstanding people in there comunities

5 HR 2977 where chemtrails were mentioned by name as a technology. for geo engineering.

6, i have seen and filmed these kc 135s spraying at low altitude over my city in the uk. not on any domestic air corridor. whats a us military tanker fllying around my town for and afetrnoon for

[inexadra]

So apparently these began in earnest around 1996. Here's the problem - as an avid aviation enthusiast my entire life (not an airline pilot, mind you), I have been watching the sky ever since I was very young - these contrails look *exactly* like most of the ones I'd observed well before 1996. Over the years, I have seen absolutely no discernible change in the structural nature of the contrails from the ground or from the air, pre or post 1996.

[dodgydodds]

hi my friend, as you say your an avid aviation expert, i would have to kind of disagree, my dad is ex special forces here in the uk, and i too have served in the raf. S i too have an interest in the subject. I have to disagree that there is no difference between the time periods. When i was younger, you were lucky to see a contrail, as they are or should i say were a rare event. As i hope your aware, con-trails form above 35'000 feet in air that is below -40 degrees with the correct humidity.

[dodgydodds]

hmmm replied but it didnt post up. I have served in the raf and members of my family. You see i do see a difference, when i was young you would be lucky to see a contrail as the conditions needed to be favourable to the formation. 35'000+ feet. -40c air and the correct humidity. in the force there was much behinfd the scences talk of the persistent trails and i even have irst hand accounts of people (aircraft engineers) seeing strange nozzels and pumping systems on certain

[dodgydodds]

american military planes like kc135's. So that raises eyebrows. also there is much evidence of trails being left at altitudes as low as 8'000 feet. that is impossible to be a natural con-trail, add to that hepa samples/ water butt samples and also Chemtrail debris such as filamennt and dust, that contain abnormally high levesl of barium aluminum and silicates. This is whereever chemtrails are supposidly sprayed.

[dodgydodds]

and there is alot of evidence pointing to this being a very secretive clandestine operation, to do with radar, battlefield planning and haarp technologies, hence the findings worldwide of the nano metal particulates mentioned above. possibly trying to improve the transefer of the radar elf -em waves through the atmosphere. i reccomend you look into it my friend with an open mind. i too thought it was nonsence, but having looked into it

[dodgydodds]

myself, with first hand testimonies of aircraft engineers in the raf, the evidence is beyond the argument, They are just Contrails do i have all the answers, no i dont, !! heres a couple of links to checkout. carnicom. com

rense. com /general/ chemfacts.htm

and ''tankerenemy'' on youtube

there a start.

[dodgydodds]

I too was sceptical, and looked into it to prove it nonsence, what i found in my opinion was the complete oposite, an overwhelming cache of evidence supporting the theory of some sort of clandestine military operation going on.

peace

[inexadra]

Well, actually I have looked into this with an open mind, and having applied basic scientific principles regarding the necessary altitudes at which solid material would have to be sprayed, as well as the fact that none of these trails ever appears to be emanating immediately from the engines or wings of commercial aircraft themselves (material sprayed into the atmosphere would immediately form a trail as soon as it had left the spray nozzle).

[inexadra]

(cont.) In order to create an artificial shield of reflecting material that would even possibly be remotely useful for long-distance communications (or the other vast array of purposes these "chemtrails" are meant to serve, according to their enthusiasts), the material would have to be sprayed much, much higher than 35,000 to 45,000 feet. The discernible increase in contrail formation has been due to the increase in jet air travel.

[inexadra]

Furthermore, a KC-135 is easy to distinguish. Most of the jets creating these trails are twin-engine jets or tri-jets or long-range four-engined guys such as the A340 or 747. All of these types are easily distinguishable from the KC-135. It's also worth mentioning that for such an apparently incredibly secret program, an awful lot of people seem to be in on it, and they seem to be able to discuss it with incredible impunity. This further suggests to me that "chemtrails" are nothing weird.

[inexadra]

You also mention a few studies which have shown allegedly increased levels of abnormal minerals and metals in soil. The problem with many of these studies is that their data is either misinterpreted (as in one famous case from Louisiana, where basic measurements were completely misread while a camera was rolling), or they are not performed using good scientific method. In most of these studies, there is no control. Additionally, there is often little inquiry into other possible causes.

[inexadra]

Also, a key component of the justification that these are in-fact "chemtrails" and not ordinary jet engine contrails which have been forming since the early days of jet travel is that the trails seem to linger for long periods of time. However, this is precisely what one would *not* want to have happen, and it is precisely what one would *not* observe, if the intention was to have material wash over the troposphere. Also, HAARP applications would require a much higher altitude of spraying.

[inexadra]

Trust me, I have sifted through ream after ream of internet material on the subject - most of it acrimonious, not reflecting good science or dispassionate inquiry, and lacking in even a basic correct understanding of the physical properties of our planet. I enjoy challenging my own beliefs, and I initially thought that perhaps there was something to this "chemtrail" phenomenon. However, when I actually subjected the idea to logical, factual testing, it didn't hold up.

[dodgydodds]

great reply, but i still aave to disagree bud. I know there is alot of for want of a better word, bullshit out there. But what you said still doesn't hold up, as it does not answer pertinent questions on the matter.

1. 2 engined lanes leaving 3 sometimes four trails.

2 footage of these extra trails being turned on and off seemingly.

3. trails at 8'000 feet. impossible to be Natural trails, as science is science.

[dodgydodds]

4- the many statements of wistleblowers and insiders. Who have good credentials and are upstanding people in there comunities

5 HR 2977 where chemtrails were mentioned by name as a technology. for geo engineering.

6, i have seen and filmed these kc 135s spraying at low altitude over my city in the uk. not on any domestic air corridor. whats a us military tanker fllying around my town for and afetrnoon for

[dodgydodds]

7 many planes filmed flying eratic flight paths, comercial airliners are usually point to point, the dont cirlce cities for hrs at a time.

8 where is all this barium-aluminum etc comming from.

9 The masses of filaments that have dropped from the skies seemingly from the trails

10 my first hand experiences within the Raf of retro fited planes and eyewtness accounts on base of planes with extra waste tanks and plumbing system.

[dodgydodds]

11 - the operation is called CLOVERLEAF, look into it

12- The fact that governments have admitted to spraying and testing on the public many times since the fifties, norfolk in the 60's was a famous one here

13 German scientist taking the german government to court, because yes They were spaying artificial clouds out of aeroplanes, vid is on my channel.

[dodgydodds]

and thats just a hand ful, so i hear what your saying, but your view goes nowhere near answering those questions yet alone the many others. And just dismissing other shiills and bad science is daft, as if this is a conspiracy there are going to be psyops in place to spread mis information and disinformation to keep the public guessing. I mean we know how good the military are at keeping secrets from the public. believe me i know first hand

[inexadra]

The military is actually not very good at keeping secrets. I have first hand knowledge as well. I also know how often rumors are spread which vast sections of the population jump on as truth, yet fail to do much actual critical inquiry, especially in the military. The military wishes it was much better at keeping secrets, but the size of the UK and US militaries alone is enough to make that a near impossibility.

[dodgydodds]

again what you say my friend whilst has merit, has no place in this convo, That is a complete blank to all the points i raised. Why because Your opinion Doesnt cut it my friend. I have seen with My own eyes,and these arnt rumours as you mentioned i said First hand accounts. What you have replied goes nowhere near any of the questions i asked, why because they drag down the contrail as the contrails answer doesnt go nowhere near explaining them.

[dodgydodds]

My friend you seem closed. are you saying im one of the ppolulation that jumps on the truth without critical enquiry. I think the questions i have put forward show a critical study.

From your answers i would label you the one who has not critically studied as you would not be defending the contrail basis. Tell me how does a 2 engined plane leave more than 2 thick thick trails if there is not some form of aparatus/nozel.

[dodgydodds]

how is itthey form against all rules of the atmosphere below 10'000 feet. The ANSWER they are not usual condensation trail

[inexadra]

I'm going to send you my responses to your points as a private message due to the character limits on this message board. You are certainly welcome to post my response for public consumption anywhere you choose, as I will have nothing to hide :)

I am not closed at all - I am simply rational. Even if I outright, unquestioningly believed everything you told me, it would actually contradict itself, and I'll explain how in the response I'll send you :). Your opinion similarly doesn't cut it.

[dodgydodds]

eithere way my friend, been great conversing with you.

peace

[inexadra]

I'm just curious - when did chemtrails begin? When did these apparent spraying efforts begin?

[dodgydodds]

apparantly it started round 96 in the states but not to a big scale there is some evidence of chemtrails pre 96 not alot, but like a testing period, 98 was when the clandestine operation really got going, iirc

[veroooom]

You are a nutter get help ASAP.

[chaztikov]

Isn't it a bit fishy, how OBVIOUS all the corruption became since 9/11, the "bailout", etc. etc...

And in this case, wouldn't one think the suspect governments would try to be a bit more subtle and strive for 'trails with an average orientation parallel to that of the average cloud?

(unless, hopefully, those piloting the craft responsible for a given emission line are aware of this, and directly disobey so as to make the trail obvious)

[barubba]

chemtrails programs are part of the aerospace defence program of U.S. army and N.A.T.O.

the military aircraft that you see are spraying mostly barium and polimer. radar and satellite connections are used in combinations with military aerosols.the substances used are very toxic for the environment.

this is very secret military stuff, and is not normal jet exaust or normal contrail.

[barubba]

in others words, chemtrails are military RADAR and SATELLITES STUFF.

in particular, the military destrupts clouds formations for better telecomunications of all type, for example, RADAR, satellites connection, wireless sensors....

this is very bad for your and your family healths

REMEMBER,ANY OTHER EXPLANATIONS IS A LIE,

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[dodgydodds]

def gota have good choonage, thanks for the comment

[wizardangel]

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[zojo83]

i didnt know anything about this until cameron had mentioned,i was totally unaware of this as many people stil are,but do find it really interesting,and thanks cam for educating us on this matter

[dodgydodds]

was a nice morning, but def horrendous

[AmericaFell]

where is this?

[dodgydodds]

hereford england bud

[xortiatis84]

Awesome!

[dodgydodds]

cheers

[TWISTbeats]

i love the euro-chease dnb! lol! we've had alot of these trails over london recently. it sucks.

[dodgydodds]

lol,,, yeah couldnt think what choon to use, got a good one lined up for me next one, and yes they seem to be increasing the activity, from what i see.