This guy's theory is complete BS . . . Lizzie Borden was anything but this great child. She was a known thief. Andrew Borden had been keeping his bedroom locked because of her. She was extremely jealous of her stepmother and her father was making the stepmother owner of his property. She killed them.
I agree with agprincess013, people saying they saw this person, but NO one describes seeing blood on the person (killer), blood from the killing of two people with an axe, and this was in day light.
What i dont understand about the case, no matter who killed them, why isnt there blood all over the place? If the murderer really whacked them in the head more than ten times each, the mess would be tremendously larger than just a little pool.
@Midnightryder7 The only explanation I have are that the murderer poisioned them first, or killed them more discreetly, and then once they were already dead, they whacked them out of murder when the bloodflow had ceased. Or, they whacked them them jusr hard enough to kill them, then to avoid a big mess, they whacked them more, purely out of anger.
This theory is ridiculous.. Why didnt they check up on this mystery bastard ? If the guy wrote a letter confessing, then why not check out his where abouts? The police could find out from Albany if the Man was the actual killer. If Lizzie was going to be written out of the father's will then why would she help a illegitimate son when it would cut her out even further?
Have read about this case for decades, and have read most major books about it. I have even been to the house, it looks to be alot smaller in person than in photos. This face comparison between Andrew and William, and the letters to DA Knowlton, leads me to believe that this story is true. There was definately alot of info withheld by Lizzie, Bridget, Uncle John, and Emma at the murder trial. I think that the root of this whole affair had to do with Andrew's money, pure and simple.
And Abby died hours before, don't forget. So he saw the future, realized he was going to lose his temper with Andrew later and hacked her to death, unnoticed by everyone in the house, then hid for hours in a closet, still unnoticed, only to have the fight with Andrew (again--unheard by everyone in the house) hours later?
We're supposed to believe Andrew Borden was arguing from a prone position on the couch and didn't see a man coming at him with an axe? Where was the axe hidden while they were arguing In the guy's pocket?
The bottom line with the Lizzie Borden case is, every single author that has written books on it, have no proof regarding who they are saying commited the crime. It is all speculation. Peopl give their beliefs on who did it and everyone that was in that house that morning has been accused. But... Lizzie was aquitted and the case was closed, so now, all anyone has to go on is past court, police, autopsy records, etc.
Now who the hell is going to kill someone at 9AM then hang around and kill someone else in the same house 2 hours later? If it were the son he would of ran like hell after the first murder.It had to be Lizzie.
The only thing this is missing though, is that it couldn't have been a fight between Andrew and his son because when Andrew Borden's body was analyzed it was seen that he didn't fight back at all, in fact: he didn't even move a muscle. Which means that he would have had to of been asleep at the time. So, I'm not so sure I agree with Arnold Brown. :/
Does any of it really matter after all this time? It's the same with the Amytiville murders in '74,there are so many conspiracy theories over that tragedy too.Maybe we should be concentrating on atrocities happening right now,like the illegal war in Iraq! Just a thought!
@poosaypirate If you don't agree with the war, you don't have to fight it. There's no draft, and there are still plenty of patriotic suckers like me who will fight our country's battles and keep people like you free so that you can then tell us how stupid we are to fight and die for them. No one likes war, but, like hemhorroids, they are there and have to be dealt with. I just wish I understood people like you.
@skudaarkaat1 you never will. apparently its not worth the effort to explain to you that illegally invading a foreign country for oil and calling it " democratizing" to the tune of 3.7 trillion tax payers dollars ( find any WMD Yet dick head?) can also be described as "socializing" the middle east, you know the argument the tea baggers use against Americans spending money on ----- yep--- Americans crazy idea - innit
@poosaypirate Why is it so hard for you to defend your position? And just what does YOUR car run on; BANANAS? If you've looked at the price of a gallion of gas, who the fuck is STEALING it from these people? It looks like their getting what they want for it. And remember World War Two? Would you have gotten us out of the ILLEGAL war Germany so Hitler could have exterminated all the European Jews? Your quite correct; you ARE hard for me to understand!
@skudaarkaat1 thats waht got us here, how and why the fuck are you calling usas involvment in ww2 illegal both japan and germany declared ware ( officially, in paper) on USA
besides, USA turned Jews away as they tried to escape Germany in WW2 and USA had japanese people in own concentration camps.
@poosaypirate You are one ignorant asshole, pal. If it wasn't for the United States and Great Britain, there wouldn't be any Jews left in Europe, and I though people like you think that ALL wars are illegal! Just what do you consider a LEGAL war? And as I've already said, be secure in the knowledge that there are plenty of brave souls who will fight our "illegal" wars so that cunts like you can downgrade the coun try and its armed forces.
what bush did in iraq was unilateral and not aproved by senate congress or UN.
Hitler officially declared war on USA , and JApans MILITARY ( not a "terrorist Group" ( by the way how did tower seven fall, the truth?) struck USA in Pearl harbor, USA has the right to defend its own borders but justiftying going to war for OIL As you just did in your previous post has to be the CAPITAL PINNACLE OF retard
The diary is Hearsay : information gathered by one person from another concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience.
Brown's thinking does not hold up. Lizzie seems to have had a love-hate relationship with her father. I believe everything just boiled over and she could no longer contain her rage. When it looked like Andrew was going to give real estate to Abby's family both Emma and Lizzie were furious about him doing this. There is no evidence that Lizzie was to get nothing in the will.
With any major crime, bogus letters sent to the police or newspapers from people who just want attention are common.
Nice theory, but I still think the best/correct version is that of Frank Spiering in his book "Lizzie". He lays out how it was actually the older sister Emma who did, with alll evidence to back it up. So, although this seems an interesting theory, I still believe it was Emma.
@ThyraTroll Actually the evidence supports that said trip was a ruse and she had ample time to do the crime and appear to have been "away" for the full duration. That is laid out in the book as I of course wasn't there. It's just the theory that makes most sense to me.
@Englishlass i believe the william borden theory definately helps remove her as being the murderer and whether or not she helped i dont know but we probably will never know the real truth. So many theories but im not sold that lizzie was the murderer.
Her brother died quite mysteriously too, very very strange.
Might have been Jack the Ripper. After all, "Saucy Jack's" crimes had occurred near the end of 1888, only a few years before. By the time of the Borden caper, maybe he had decided upon a new MO , i.e., murder by axe. What gave me this, I'll admit, brilliant idea is the mysterious carriage in front of the Borden house, reminiscent of the mysterious carriage in one version of the possible Ripper crimes.
I remember former brother in law telling me he was in Butte Montana in the 1940s when Brigit was allegedly living there. Said he coulda, woulda, shoulda. Course he was about 9 years old when she died. History is chock full of mysteries unlikely to ever be solved.
This is some really good stuff... the only problem is this: William Borden, research shows that William was born in 1887.... he would have only been 5 years old... unless the research is wrong... I still believe that Lizzie had commited this all by herself... look it up.
@girlygirl3141 good synopsis. But when you consider that BOTH daughters were subjugated and BOTH were set to be dis-inherited by their father. I can't help to speculate that one "left the premises" on the grounds of visiting a "sick" relation in order to establish an alibi and then to summarily to fund all the cash needed for the accused defense. It is what is commonly referred to as "the oldest trick in the book". We blame one, but both benefited from a single act.
@starrfisher I don't know anything about the son exept he and his father had a falling out. I just heard about him recently. Thats why I think he killed the Bordens.
Wow, that was unfortunate, he mentions the carriage witnesses as having 'no axe to grind'. Mwahhahaaa!!! Couldn't he have used a better analogy? I don't know if she did it or not but it's fascinating and hugely gory.
@AcaiBunch bridget sullivan was as guilty as lizzie,my neighbour in ireland is a relative of hers and according to her bridget admitted to a close friend that she helped lizzie dispose of evidence.
I do without a doubt believe Lizzie killed her father and stepmother. I don't believe Mr. Borden's son did this. But one thing is for sure, they all, including William, have the creepiest eyes I've ever seen. Look at Mr. Borden, Emma, Lizzie and William's pictures. They're eyes are all the same.
problem is, this "long duster" of *William's* would've been covered in blood, much less his clothes if he'd taken off the "duster". so i can't believe that.
When a woman gets an Axe and starts whielding it, I am certain that there is a bloody good reason for her to do it. Pitty there aren't a few more Lizzies around, perhaps men would stop raping their daughters, beating their wives and generally terriosing their own families.
I understand your point, but Lizzie probably did this only because of greed. She wanted money. maybe life for women these days was so cruel, she simply blew up. her father forbid her contact with society except for church.... come on...
@starquant but sorry to disapoint you I am not, I have consideration of the women the same way I consider people of my own sex, cos I see them as humans, nothing else...I think that you try to overprotect women, well I don't know as I said before you may have your reasons, but contrary to your ideas in reivindication of the women you unconciously portrait them as weak and defenless humans, think about it, men are not the problem, they might be part of a greater problem, but they
@starquant while we lack hard evidence, I am inclined to agree with you. I have known many abused women and none of them stood up to their attackers, in one case for over a decade. I loved her to death and if I could go back in time and give her an axe and some encouragement I daresay I never would have lost her to her fear :(
@ConcordantMind Thanks for your response. Just as a side note (and as something for you to consider), as Females, we ALL like to think that we go forwards and NOT backwards. Well the Human Rights ambassador from Afghanistan stated in Jan this year (and I quote). "Women SHOULD be considered as Human Beings". If you can digest that remark, the bottom line is, that we (as Females) are NOT human, but SHOULD be considered as such?. The world is not designed for Womankind and I am sorry to live here.
@starquant You misunderstand me, I am saying your videos are narrated by a guy. I assume you are mirroring videos. It has nothing to do with the video gaming issue.
@starquant there is and never was any evidence that Lizzie Borden was the victim of rape or beating by a family member. I therefore don't follow your argument
@20callenderslady thanks for your reply. We are discussing something that happened a very long time ago. Abuse and subjugation was NEVER taken into account on cases of this nature. It was never documented or discussed. A Female was the sole property of her father (held in trust) to be handed on to her next MASTER, to do with as he pleased. A Woman had NO right to work, fair treatment or a fair or decent wage. WE still carry on rituals that reflect this: Debut ante Balls and Brides down an asile
@starquant Nobody is disputing that abuse to women has and still does occur with frightening regularity and it goes without saying that the Lizzie Borden case can only be speculated as it occurred so long ago, but that lady, whether guilty of the murders or not had an extremely happy outcome and was more than capable of looking after her interests, financial and otherwise. Much historical material exists of abuse of females, but Lizzie Borden... no way!
@20callenderslady if I remember correctly, the majority of evidence produced against this woman was largely circumstantial. In a Modern day setting, she still would have walked away. Just for your interest, we have a case here in Australia that states "That too much influence of the bias of the defendant is reliant on the outcome of D.N.A." I think this obtuse and idiotic.... what do you think?. I could go on and on about this legal challenge, but I suspect this defense is going to be a prob
@20callenderslady I agree with you on that. She was never abused physically or any other way. She killed her Father and Stepmother because she wanted their money. Her family lived in a rundown house and she always wanted to live on this place they all called "The Hill". She was caught burning the dress that she wore while committing the murders. But they let that slide because they claimed that she was on her period and back then it was uncalled for to talk about such things.
@starquant You said a woman cannot kill if she doesn't have a good reason to do it? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a stupid thing you are...humans, men or women, would kill, even without a reason, get you facts straight, you fucking sexist!!
@killingracists have read through my comments and can't see where I have actually said that. Also, if you can't keep a civil tongue in your head, I suggest you keep your thoughts to yourself.
"When a woman gets an Axe and starts whielding it, I am certain that there is a bloody good reason for her to do it. Pitty there aren't a few more Lizzies around, perhaps men would stop raping their daughters, beating their wives and generally terriosing their own families". What about this? you said "men" (all of them, according to you) rape their daughters, beat their wives and terrorise their families, so a Lizzy is needed to kill that plague, aren't you a sexist?
@killingracists ok, sorry to be semantical here, but I never said a Female Can not kill, I merely suggested that when a women kills, it is for a reason and not for pleasure. No sexism intended there, the comment is based purely on data and stats, which support me in my remark. If you disagree, then that is your right to say so.
@starquant anyone, not only women, would kill for a goddamned reason, even the strangest one. Men would kill for power, women for vanity; in the end it's the same crap. It's really hilarious that you support your arguments on statitics and data as all of them are based on a "general" view of the problem. Human behaviour is conditioned by culture religion and tradition, and every human is a universe; your comment really gets me on my nerves as you stated that all of us MEN are fucking perverts
@killingracists I have NEVER known a Female to Kill on the basis of "Vanity" that you suggest. A women kills from Fear, assault and the threat of same. My theories are not crap as you would suggest. 98% of murders are committed by males, 99% of rapes are committed by Males as well. Make your point, do it with intelligence and without speculation. You sound like a horn blowing in the wind, without direction and without perspective. You warn the natives without cause. State your Facts SIR .
@starquant I clearly said that I did not agree with all of Freud's theories, that crappy thing about the women's envy of the penis is hilarious, but we have to admit that his works on psychoanalisis have set the standards for generations of Modern Psychiatry professionals; regarding your statement about life being cruel to women, I have to say that life is simply life and all the things that happen to us are the result of the way we have built the world, you insinuate I am a misogynist but
@killingracists nope I have not insinuated that you are a Misogynist. If I thought you were, I would say so... LOL. If you disagree with these theories, then please don't refer to them as a form of substance as a basis for a debate in defense of your own opinion. I disagree that Women have " no other option or recourse" simply on the basis that society says she must accept or blindly follow convention on the concept of the status quo. They got rid of the "dunking stool" didn't they?.
@starquant Ok, so what's your contribution to change the Status Quo? as a woman, tell me something really new, no common arguments about poor little women and all that, suggest something to change women and men lives for good, and I'll follow you...but on a logical basis not upon subjective statements like this is a terrible world for the women cos you won't get me
@killingracists thanks for asking. As a woman (general population), I would like the opportunity to live my life on my own terms (which includes Financial Freedom). The United Nations released a Stat in 2009 that showed 80% of minimum wage jobs are held by females. (Corporate positions are held by 2% of women worldwide). Minimum wage does not guarantee a lifestyle and is DEPENDANT on ANOTHER for financial stability. Indeed many women in paid employment still collect welfare.
@killingracists Further: Many women do not benefit from an equal share in further education in finances from Direct Family ( The ideal being that she doesn't need it because she will become the "problem" of another man). If you see a young woman in a "Strip Club", chances are, she is attending University and needs the MONEY. Well it happens where I live (perhaps not where you live). She tires and gives in and starts spitting out kids because she can't see a way out. Relying on other support.
@killingracists As an example. I went to a garage sale my neighbor had. As I looked through her clothes, I saw her "Stripper" costumes, with the breast and Vagina "bits" clearly well pawed and disintegrated away. I asked her about this. She said "Oh, that was when I went to Uni, and got sick of starving on Minimum wage, so I stripped". I married a Builder, so that's behind me now. Personally, I felt sick to my stomach, but that was her reality and she thought it was the norm for women to do.
@starquant well, my dear, this is certainly sad, but it is a particular case and not any woman has to make the same decision, strip or even prostitution, there are other ways to make ends meet, you know...
@starquant In my country, women even earn higher salaries than men, they are business women, they run their own companies etc...in terms of legislation a man can't even insult or shout at them cos they can be sent to trial, depending on the case; well, but even so domestic violence rate is increased, nothing perfect!!
@killingracists I have heard this from others. I can assure you, that this is not happening overseas. In fact, it is the direct opposite. Women are as powerless an ineffective as they ever were. I have noticed the increased hatred towards Women from the States. You tube has become a major translator for this ideal. Will you still accept that worldwide this constitutes 2% of women in higher positions. I realize this seems slight to you, but it is accurate. I assure you.
@killingracists One More response: The LaTrobe University did a long term study on Minimum wage earners ( of which are predominantly held by women in Australia, of which the figure relates to the U.N figures I just gave). OF FULL TIME Minimum wage jobs available to women over the last 5 years show a decrease into casual or part-time employment by 70% .The end result: Permanent dependency on another for income and lifestyle. It's getting WORSE not better for women.
@starquant Ok, what about your goverment, have you women gone on a massive strike in Australia? you women, are united in Australia? do you support one another on a massive scale? what about the work union protecting female workers rights?
@killingracists Australia is a Huge continent. At last count the population is approx 21 million soles. You end up with people living all over the place, dis-jointed, isolated, without resources etc. An example, In Tennant Creek, the local Police have constructed a cage in the middle of the Main road. Women will voluntarily lock themselves in that cage on a Thursday, Friday and Sat Night. They do it because there are not enough Police to handle the domestic violence complaints.
@starquant "soles"...it doesn't matter I got what you wanted to say, it sounds the same anyway...It's very sad the pictures you portrait of your country, has domestic violence really gotten to that point? cos it sounds like a movie content it's really hard to believe, I thought Australis was a very civilised country
@starquant well...I congratulate your husband, he is a real man, you see, not all men are monsters LOL ...so he brought up the boy...good, I have to admit that a very few men would let their wives to support the family while their in the house with the kids...you..know, that's a matter of culture...men can be taught, of course respecting their manhood, to be more supportive and express their emotions and feelings, that would change agressive behaviors...
@starquant yes, you're right, many women do not have financil support or help as easy as a man and the females sometimes have to do degrading jobs to makes end meet or go to college, uh ah, but this is the problem, what's the solution?
@killingracists We also argue on a case that was never proven. If we examine the facts over an estate, that was to be summarily handed over to a Step Parent and thus continuing the perpetual control of these two sisters, who so desperately wanted to be "Free". The killing of the "Step" was also required in order for the two girls to have the freedom, they so desperately desired. If you have never experienced this form of Subjugation, it is hard to make a judgement.
@starquant that rape and destroy all women's lives...You try to justify Lizzie Borden for the simple fact that she is a woman and you suppose that her conduct was a reasonable reaction against her father a MAN, this is to say, a raper, a beater, in summary a monster; let me remind you this, a woman was killed as well...
@killingracists a moot point. In making such a statement, you show a lack of compassion summarily held towards women of this era. They were nothing more than "property". to be held in trust. An older woman had little or no compassion, for something she knew herself. Why would a woman "dare" make an effort to a predecessor, to whom would pay little or no regard to her own struggle?.
@starquant You have NEVER kown a female to kill on the basis of "Vanity"(This is your argument that "proves" me "wrong", interesting), but you state that ALL MEN kill for pleasure according to your crappy statitics-based arguments; by the way can you tell the sources you are citing?...Yes, men seem to be more violent and aggressive actively, but it doesn't mean that women are innocent little pigeons as you insinuate, they are violent and aggresive passively, and the worst,
@killingracists the fact that females constitute less that 3% of all violent deaths worldwide (Source United Nations), is the basis of my comment. Two interesting cases in Australia. 1: In the justification of the murder of his wife, the defendant said "she said I had a small Penis and was useless in bed". He got no jail. 2: In a case where a woman murdered her husband (after 20 years of abuse to herself and her kids), on which the son shot the father, she got 20 years in Jail.
@starquant Primal scream methods have logically changed with the years; Freud is still taken as a reference in Modern Psychiatry, I do not agree with many of his ideas and most of my collegues do not either, but his contributions are still of great value when it comes to psychoanalise a patient; but I'm not going to discuss that with you, I still think you have anger so deep inside...but well, I'm not your psychiatrist, pay me first...anyway, when a male rapes a woman, it is not because...
@killingracists Freud's idea in relation to "Penis envy" and all his other theories in relation to "his" ideas" or "conceptual" form in relation to women were thrown out years ago, the fact that you reply on them in a conversation, shows you have little regard for the "female" of the species infinitum. If you want to have a discussion with a person, then don't assume they are an emotional cripple or claim they have "issues". Me thinks you doth "protest too much".
@starquant Why don't you try adoption, there are certaily beautiful babies waiting for a home, you can satisfy your desire of being the mother of a babygirl, why not, uh?
@killingracists try a film called "Rabbit Proof Fence on "movies-links.tv. It's rated a 9.1 out of a possible 10 by international viewers. It deals with what we have discussed here.
@starquant when a male rapes a woman, it is not because it is in his genes, it is because of his neurotic behavior due to an abnormal perception of the mother figure, of course there many other elements coming to play such as child maltreatment and psychological castration...it is very complicated to explain as any case is unique...so should we KILL them and think that the problem is solved? you have been proven to be WRONG, and now you are ANGRY!! sorry for that!!
@starquant My dear madam, why are you so ANGRY??? if you consider I am not the one I claim to be there is a simple solution, stop writing me back and that's it, I don't know you you don't know me, so what's the problem? It seems there is a strong necessity of yours to refute to contestate to defeat...why?? am I important to you? why are you trying to convince me?? that's interesting...very interesting
@killingracists I am also not trying convince anyone of anything. I think society is a harsh and cruel environment for women. Woman are judged and dealt the most severest of punishments on the slightest infractions. ( If you watch this film, a statement is also made along similar lines, by the defense lawyers wife ( I think). Stats from United Nations show the biggest killer of females this century is Domestic Violence.
@starquant they men and women are part of it. Violence against women, yes, it's true, but what about kids? they tend to imitate behavior, we live in a neurotic society, you see violence evrywhere, the media is the one responsible in the change of values...CULTURE AND RELIGION as well, all of the patriarchal religions teach inhumane treatment to the women, have you noticed that?
@killingracists also my responses were based on one off events. Everyone has the capacity to kill (for what ever reason). An "initial kill" may be in direct response to an initial threat. When the treat is no longer present, then the killing is for the "feeling" or the way a person "feels" after they have completed the Act. I am aware that Women have "serial killed". We are all individuals and behave to conditioning , that we alone have sole knowledge of. My comment still stands.
@starquant ok, I agree with you, I support you, I think that any human being has the right to lead his/her own life...is that all? I mean is that your contribution as a woman, cos you've proven to be cultivated, gimme something more juicy please
@starquant YOU are the MISTRESSES of deception and intrigue; Nietzche was right when he said YOU are natural born resentful beings, you acusse men for their "conduct" but deep inside these are the things you'd willingly like to do; by the way, the ones that bring up men are WOMEN. This is a very interesting point if we consider that most of the rapists had an antagonical relastionship with their mothers
@killingracists wow, interesting statement. I am sure there are many sexual assault victims that would strongly disagree with what you have just said. If you don't like women, thats your right. But don't make up a conversation, purport it to be the truth, on the basis of your beliefs. What studies have you completed?. Do you have a PHD in Human Science or Gender studies?, or anything credible to base your opinions on?. Do you have any UN stats for instance, to support your comments?.
@starquant Angry??? interesting...Why did you mention your husband??' Did I say or insinuate that you intimidate men? or you are trying to convince yourself you do not intimidate your husband and that he feels proud of you? ; I like your resumé, congratulations, but I did not ask for it either, I think you have a problem with your paternal figure, was he very hard with you?
@killingracists you referred to me as a Lesbian. There is an implied behavior or an assumption, that goes with this kind of labeling ( I doubt you credentials, if we have to discuss this). I don't have to convince myself of anything either. I wonder how good your relationships are?. Not the best I would suspect. I am very happy with the life I have made for myself, I suspect yours does not run as smoothly as you would hope or desire.... I wonder why?.
@starquant Although I strongly condemn any kinds of violence (and I think that any intelligent individual should, not your case, sorry but true), this has to be regarded as a reaction, men included, honey. I think that males' "agressive behavior" should be studied on the basis of the MATERNAL FIGURE, that would explain lots of things, cos most of the mothers would castrate, in psychological terms, theirs sons, that is a fact, proven and not your shitty statitics crap.
@killingracists that is Freudian Clap trap and I can't believe that there are people that still think this a viable argument. Freud was a WELL known Misogynist, and basically nearly ALL of his comments and observations in relation to your argument have proven to be false. I do NOT advocate violence in any form. All I implied was that I understood it. That in turn, does not make me a villain as you would suggest.
@killingracists my "shitty" stats as you call them come from 3 sources. The first is the United Nations, the second is the La Trobe University of Melbourne and the third is Amnesty International. If you can spare the time, go and have a look.
@starquant What?...that I don't like...women? hahaha...I thought you were more intelligent, don't be so vulgar!!; I could say the same about you cos it seems you HATE men to the bone, you sound resentful, you even suggested that all the men in the world (potential perverts and rapist according to you) should be killed by many Lizzies Borden, so, who don't like who? are you a lesbian? that's your right, but hating the opposite sex on the basis of the sexual preferences is pathetic
@killingracists Excuse me, your the one that brought up Freudian principles, so my assumption is based on something yourself have mentioned. The fact that you accuse me of being a Lesbian is utter nonsense. I have been married for 20 years. Your the one that is attacking here and challenging everything I say. You can't supply sources, so you resort to calling me names. Very infantile.. you question MY intelligence?. What a bloody joke.
@starquant Regarding my profession, let me tell you that I'm a psychiatrist and I know where I'm standing; and according to my apreciations your conduct is pathological, you or someone very close to you may have suffered any kinds of sexual abuse or assault cos your reactions are not normal; I have a primal scream therapy major, any counseling?
@killingracists As a Psychiatrist, you would know that "Primal Scream" therapy was debunked at least 15 years ago as utter nonsense. I don't require counselling, because I choose to stand up to the likes of you either. If you want to take a "superior" attitude to me and suggest I need "therapy", I would suggest the same outcome for yourself. Heaven forbid anyone that ever went to your clinic, I suggest you would be of little or no help to anyone or anybody. Your ideas are antiquated and obtuse.
@killingracists You also refer to my conduct as Pathological. When one is placed in a position of constantly defending themselves, does not give rise for you to continue to "look" for reasons or an excuse to "attack" my credibility. You have already made assumptions on my "Gender" status and now choose to attack my thinking patterns, on the basis that "I am not right in the head". Make up your mind please. The best form of defense is attack, I see you have that down to a fine ART.
@killingracists your consummate failure to recognize even the most fundamental human behavior patterns, shows that you are NOT who you claim to be. Don't tell lies, when you obviously don't have even the basic knowledge to back up your claims.
@starquant No adoption in Australia? wow...for couples facing infertility or any kinds of problems related to conception this might be not good news, but paradoxically I think this is a good sign cos it shows that the population is very responsible regarding them babies' bringing into this world. Well...so it seems that the goverment is highly concerned in making increase the number of Australians, isn't it? why?
@starquant "the lost Generation"...yeah...it makes me sick. In my opinion the Australian goverment should apologise officially for such a GENOCIDE, but they're very busy thinking on how to avoid thousands of lawsuits to not indemnify the victims, I'll see the movie, thanks
In 1892 Massachusetts the mandatory sentence for these crimes was hanging (no insanity defense back then). The jury could not bear to send a well-liked "church lady" to the gallows. That was the chief reason for Lizzie's acquittal.
If William Borden did it where is any evidence of Emma or Lizzie ever paying him any amount of sizable money from the Borden fortune? Lizzie did it and Emma approved but couldn't stand to be there when it went down. Never assume any Bible-thumpin person isn't capable of horrible actions. Lizzie hated Abby so it was emotional and fierce. Andrew required just as many hits only to make it consistent and to cover up any "love" Lizzie had for her father.
Fabulous theory!!!!!
Shutterbug1000 1 month ago
Get a shave you tosser.
FifthContinentMusic 1 month ago
This guy's theory is complete BS . . . Lizzie Borden was anything but this great child. She was a known thief. Andrew Borden had been keeping his bedroom locked because of her. She was extremely jealous of her stepmother and her father was making the stepmother owner of his property. She killed them.
PancakeSally 2 months ago
I agree with agprincess013, people saying they saw this person, but NO one describes seeing blood on the person (killer), blood from the killing of two people with an axe, and this was in day light.
crochet65 3 months ago
What i dont understand about the case, no matter who killed them, why isnt there blood all over the place? If the murderer really whacked them in the head more than ten times each, the mess would be tremendously larger than just a little pool.
agprincess013 4 months ago
@agprincess013 You're right!
Midnightryder7 4 months ago
@Midnightryder7 The only explanation I have are that the murderer poisioned them first, or killed them more discreetly, and then once they were already dead, they whacked them out of murder when the bloodflow had ceased. Or, they whacked them them jusr hard enough to kill them, then to avoid a big mess, they whacked them more, purely out of anger.
agprincess013 4 months ago
This theory is ridiculous.. Why didnt they check up on this mystery bastard ? If the guy wrote a letter confessing, then why not check out his where abouts? The police could find out from Albany if the Man was the actual killer. If Lizzie was going to be written out of the father's will then why would she help a illegitimate son when it would cut her out even further?
NFitalianGuy 4 months ago
Have read about this case for decades, and have read most major books about it. I have even been to the house, it looks to be alot smaller in person than in photos. This face comparison between Andrew and William, and the letters to DA Knowlton, leads me to believe that this story is true. There was definately alot of info withheld by Lizzie, Bridget, Uncle John, and Emma at the murder trial. I think that the root of this whole affair had to do with Andrew's money, pure and simple.
sauroid1 4 months ago
they just had on 3 different shows that 3 physics said that it was a man that did it and not Lizzie.
7pretty7 6 months ago
well this is new to Me. Interesting!!! thanks for posting this
dambreaker 6 months ago
see the facebook photo's and you can't believe your eyes.
MissCelebsRemixer 6 months ago
Did this idiot have a stroke?
KayBeeEee1983 6 months ago in playlist Lizzie Borden
And Abby died hours before, don't forget. So he saw the future, realized he was going to lose his temper with Andrew later and hacked her to death, unnoticed by everyone in the house, then hid for hours in a closet, still unnoticed, only to have the fight with Andrew (again--unheard by everyone in the house) hours later?
kookooboy 7 months ago
We're supposed to believe Andrew Borden was arguing from a prone position on the couch and didn't see a man coming at him with an axe? Where was the axe hidden while they were arguing In the guy's pocket?
kookooboy 7 months ago
of all the theories, this makes the most sense!
mstrsims2 7 months ago
it was lizzie. normally the murdurer would kill everyone in the house so there was no witneses, she did it!
Warriorcats24 8 months ago
The bottom line with the Lizzie Borden case is, every single author that has written books on it, have no proof regarding who they are saying commited the crime. It is all speculation. Peopl give their beliefs on who did it and everyone that was in that house that morning has been accused. But... Lizzie was aquitted and the case was closed, so now, all anyone has to go on is past court, police, autopsy records, etc.
pattisgirls 9 months ago
Is that a person on the right side of the photo at 0:31?
lcorona2 9 months ago
Now who the hell is going to kill someone at 9AM then hang around and kill someone else in the same house 2 hours later? If it were the son he would of ran like hell after the first murder.It had to be Lizzie.
glawsny 9 months ago
The only thing this is missing though, is that it couldn't have been a fight between Andrew and his son because when Andrew Borden's body was analyzed it was seen that he didn't fight back at all, in fact: he didn't even move a muscle. Which means that he would have had to of been asleep at the time. So, I'm not so sure I agree with Arnold Brown. :/
stewieandhomerrule 10 months ago
Wow...this is fascinating as well...ahm findin fab documentary clips tonight!!
TheMrMarilyn 11 months ago
judge not christian pigs... since u r always the ones to judge... LESS THEE BE JUDGED! N judged U will be u sick perverts
ravenwhitechapel 1 year ago
yo, that housekeeper and lizzie looked spooky as hell
te4888 1 year ago
No sound
XWoodchuckleX 1 year ago
Does any of it really matter after all this time? It's the same with the Amytiville murders in '74,there are so many conspiracy theories over that tragedy too.Maybe we should be concentrating on atrocities happening right now,like the illegal war in Iraq! Just a thought!
popazz1 1 year ago
@popazz1 I suppose you were also against the illegal war we fought from 1941-1945 against Germany and Japan?
skudaarkaat1 1 year ago
@skudaarkaat1 ,
What's your point?
popazz1 1 year ago
@skudaarkaat1 ILLEGAL ??!!??? YOU IDIOT
poosaypirate 5 months ago
@poosaypirate If you don't agree with the war, you don't have to fight it. There's no draft, and there are still plenty of patriotic suckers like me who will fight our country's battles and keep people like you free so that you can then tell us how stupid we are to fight and die for them. No one likes war, but, like hemhorroids, they are there and have to be dealt with. I just wish I understood people like you.
skudaarkaat1 5 months ago
@skudaarkaat1 you never will. apparently its not worth the effort to explain to you that illegally invading a foreign country for oil and calling it " democratizing" to the tune of 3.7 trillion tax payers dollars ( find any WMD Yet dick head?) can also be described as "socializing" the middle east, you know the argument the tea baggers use against Americans spending money on ----- yep--- Americans crazy idea - innit
poosaypirate 5 months ago
@poosaypirate Why is it so hard for you to defend your position? And just what does YOUR car run on; BANANAS? If you've looked at the price of a gallion of gas, who the fuck is STEALING it from these people? It looks like their getting what they want for it. And remember World War Two? Would you have gotten us out of the ILLEGAL war Germany so Hitler could have exterminated all the European Jews? Your quite correct; you ARE hard for me to understand!
skudaarkaat1 5 months ago
@skudaarkaat1 thats waht got us here, how and why the fuck are you calling usas involvment in ww2 illegal both japan and germany declared ware ( officially, in paper) on USA
besides, USA turned Jews away as they tried to escape Germany in WW2 and USA had japanese people in own concentration camps.
poosaypirate 5 months ago
@poosaypirate You are one ignorant asshole, pal. If it wasn't for the United States and Great Britain, there wouldn't be any Jews left in Europe, and I though people like you think that ALL wars are illegal! Just what do you consider a LEGAL war? And as I've already said, be secure in the knowledge that there are plenty of brave souls who will fight our "illegal" wars so that cunts like you can downgrade the coun try and its armed forces.
skudaarkaat1 5 months ago
@skudaarkaat1 man you are a stupid dick
what bush did in iraq was unilateral and not aproved by senate congress or UN.
Hitler officially declared war on USA , and JApans MILITARY ( not a "terrorist Group" ( by the way how did tower seven fall, the truth?) struck USA in Pearl harbor, USA has the right to defend its own borders but justiftying going to war for OIL As you just did in your previous post has to be the CAPITAL PINNACLE OF retard
poosaypirate 5 months ago
@popazz1 CONSPIRACY and THEORY are two separate words use a dictionary
poosaypirate 5 months ago
@poosaypirate ,
Having some kinda hissy fit 'cause you think I'm wrong serves no purpose.I'll leave that with you!
popazz1 5 months ago
@popazz1 lol, which is the sore losers way of saying i forfeit the game.
CIAO!
go play dolls with your dad kid
poosaypirate 5 months ago
@poosaypirate ,
Oh dear,you managed to crawl from under your rock,did you?! Shame,the maggots must be missing you.Jog on,now.
popazz1 5 months ago
The diary is Hearsay : information gathered by one person from another concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience.
jorgeyaquiful 1 year ago
Brown's thinking does not hold up. Lizzie seems to have had a love-hate relationship with her father. I believe everything just boiled over and she could no longer contain her rage. When it looked like Andrew was going to give real estate to Abby's family both Emma and Lizzie were furious about him doing this. There is no evidence that Lizzie was to get nothing in the will.
With any major crime, bogus letters sent to the police or newspapers from people who just want attention are common.
Cissy2cute 1 year ago
LIZZIE, DID IT. SHE WANTED MONEY.
leedumett444 1 year ago
@leedumett444 why she LOVED her father
sinyorita9 1 year ago
Nice theory, but I still think the best/correct version is that of Frank Spiering in his book "Lizzie". He lays out how it was actually the older sister Emma who did, with alll evidence to back it up. So, although this seems an interesting theory, I still believe it was Emma.
redrusty66 1 year ago
@redrusty66 Emma wasn't there. She was on trip.
ThyraTroll 1 year ago
@ThyraTroll Actually the evidence supports that said trip was a ruse and she had ample time to do the crime and appear to have been "away" for the full duration. That is laid out in the book as I of course wasn't there. It's just the theory that makes most sense to me.
redrusty66 1 year ago
@redrusty66 Lizzie and Bridgette did it together. Both werent remorseful.
TwistedSister09 9 months ago
@ThyraTroll : Emmas trip could have been an alibi . we dont know if she was proven to BE on that Alleged trip or not. at least i dont know that
which could mean she planned a trip, planned the murders, hid in the house etc
poosaypirate 5 months ago
Where is the proof that Borden had a illegitimate son? What proof was there it was cow's blood?
gotch09 1 year ago
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3befreaky 1 year ago
I agree,I do NOT believe Lizzie is guilty.
irvinggirl 1 year ago
This case continues to be more enigmatic yet fascinating.
cathsingalto 1 year ago
the sound works for me. Hit the button next to the go/pause button and see if you can turn it on.
MondoLizzie 1 year ago 3
@MondoLizzie lol
tricey2300 10 months ago
No sound. :(
MissLadyboy007 1 year ago
I believe William Bordon did it.
Englishlass 1 year ago
@Englishlass I believe he did it also, but lizzy was still guilty because she allowed it to happen. She was an accessory but not the murderer.
thorn35 1 year ago
@thorn35 I wish the police would have investigated more thoroughly because so many people suspect she did the actual deed which isn't fair to her.
Englishlass 1 year ago
@Englishlass i believe the william borden theory definately helps remove her as being the murderer and whether or not she helped i dont know but we probably will never know the real truth. So many theories but im not sold that lizzie was the murderer.
Her brother died quite mysteriously too, very very strange.
thorn35 1 year ago
@thorn35 I don't believe she was capable of doing it but her half brother William did have the motive and the means.
Englishlass 1 year ago 2
@thorn35 That's what makes it interesting, don't you think? :)
Witchy16 1 year ago
I can't hear any sound.
MissLadyboy007 1 year ago
Might have been Jack the Ripper. After all, "Saucy Jack's" crimes had occurred near the end of 1888, only a few years before. By the time of the Borden caper, maybe he had decided upon a new MO , i.e., murder by axe. What gave me this, I'll admit, brilliant idea is the mysterious carriage in front of the Borden house, reminiscent of the mysterious carriage in one version of the possible Ripper crimes.
JohnFEarly 1 year ago
I remember former brother in law telling me he was in Butte Montana in the 1940s when Brigit was allegedly living there. Said he coulda, woulda, shoulda. Course he was about 9 years old when she died. History is chock full of mysteries unlikely to ever be solved.
JohnFEarly 1 year ago
This is some really good stuff... the only problem is this: William Borden, research shows that William was born in 1887.... he would have only been 5 years old... unless the research is wrong... I still believe that Lizzie had commited this all by herself... look it up.
girlygirl3141 1 year ago
@girlygirl3141 good synopsis. But when you consider that BOTH daughters were subjugated and BOTH were set to be dis-inherited by their father. I can't help to speculate that one "left the premises" on the grounds of visiting a "sick" relation in order to establish an alibi and then to summarily to fund all the cash needed for the accused defense. It is what is commonly referred to as "the oldest trick in the book". We blame one, but both benefited from a single act.
starquant 1 year ago
No one has ever mentioned he had a son.
starrfisher 1 year ago
@starrfisher wow really. I wasn't aware. What can you tell me about this person. I am very interested to know.
starquant 1 year ago
@starrfisher I don't know anything about the son exept he and his father had a falling out. I just heard about him recently. Thats why I think he killed the Bordens.
starrfisher 1 year ago
Wow, that was unfortunate, he mentions the carriage witnesses as having 'no axe to grind'. Mwahhahaaa!!! Couldn't he have used a better analogy? I don't know if she did it or not but it's fascinating and hugely gory.
angell1970 1 year ago
I can't believe youtube allow you to post on the site!!
MyFrosty13 1 year ago
How did they really know it was cow's blood on the axe?
jrgnc1 2 years ago
There is such a thing as DNA testing right?
palmina77italiana 2 years ago
Frederick Douglass did it!
beatlefied70 2 years ago
It makes no sense that Bridget Sullivan did not hear or see anything.
AcaiBunch 2 years ago
@AcaiBunch bridget sullivan was as guilty as lizzie,my neighbour in ireland is a relative of hers and according to her bridget admitted to a close friend that she helped lizzie dispose of evidence.
themaynooth1 2 years ago
Horse and Buggy stake out
copperpaint 2 years ago
The new Mrs. Borden looks like a man. Overall, they are all some peculiar-looking people.
antij1 2 years ago
It was Emma who I thought was butt ugly.
gotch09 2 years ago
I do without a doubt believe Lizzie killed her father and stepmother. I don't believe Mr. Borden's son did this. But one thing is for sure, they all, including William, have the creepiest eyes I've ever seen. Look at Mr. Borden, Emma, Lizzie and William's pictures. They're eyes are all the same.
gettinhitched 2 years ago
problem is, this "long duster" of *William's* would've been covered in blood, much less his clothes if he'd taken off the "duster". so i can't believe that.
ibkristykat 2 years ago
When a woman gets an Axe and starts whielding it, I am certain that there is a bloody good reason for her to do it. Pitty there aren't a few more Lizzies around, perhaps men would stop raping their daughters, beating their wives and generally terriosing their own families.
starquant 2 years ago 10
I understand your point, but Lizzie probably did this only because of greed. She wanted money. maybe life for women these days was so cruel, she simply blew up. her father forbid her contact with society except for church.... come on...
trekkicat 2 years ago 2
Doubtful.
starquant 2 years ago
@starquant but sorry to disapoint you I am not, I have consideration of the women the same way I consider people of my own sex, cos I see them as humans, nothing else...I think that you try to overprotect women, well I don't know as I said before you may have your reasons, but contrary to your ideas in reivindication of the women you unconciously portrait them as weak and defenless humans, think about it, men are not the problem, they might be part of a greater problem, but they
killingracists 1 year ago
@starquant while we lack hard evidence, I am inclined to agree with you. I have known many abused women and none of them stood up to their attackers, in one case for over a decade. I loved her to death and if I could go back in time and give her an axe and some encouragement I daresay I never would have lost her to her fear :(
ConcordantMind 1 year ago
@ConcordantMind Thanks for your response. Just as a side note (and as something for you to consider), as Females, we ALL like to think that we go forwards and NOT backwards. Well the Human Rights ambassador from Afghanistan stated in Jan this year (and I quote). "Women SHOULD be considered as Human Beings". If you can digest that remark, the bottom line is, that we (as Females) are NOT human, but SHOULD be considered as such?. The world is not designed for Womankind and I am sorry to live here.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant um.... im not sure what to make of that
ConcordantMind 1 year ago
@starquant im confused your uploads are by a video gaming guy. lol.
ConcordantMind 1 year ago
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starquant 1 year ago
@starquant You misunderstand me, I am saying your videos are narrated by a guy. I assume you are mirroring videos. It has nothing to do with the video gaming issue.
ConcordantMind 1 year ago
@ConcordantMind ahh you have discovered my evil plan....... lol ( Just kidding). They are copies of originals. Not such a deception after all.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant there is and never was any evidence that Lizzie Borden was the victim of rape or beating by a family member. I therefore don't follow your argument
20callenderslady 1 year ago
@20callenderslady thanks for your reply. We are discussing something that happened a very long time ago. Abuse and subjugation was NEVER taken into account on cases of this nature. It was never documented or discussed. A Female was the sole property of her father (held in trust) to be handed on to her next MASTER, to do with as he pleased. A Woman had NO right to work, fair treatment or a fair or decent wage. WE still carry on rituals that reflect this: Debut ante Balls and Brides down an asile
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant Nobody is disputing that abuse to women has and still does occur with frightening regularity and it goes without saying that the Lizzie Borden case can only be speculated as it occurred so long ago, but that lady, whether guilty of the murders or not had an extremely happy outcome and was more than capable of looking after her interests, financial and otherwise. Much historical material exists of abuse of females, but Lizzie Borden... no way!
20callenderslady 1 year ago
@20callenderslady if I remember correctly, the majority of evidence produced against this woman was largely circumstantial. In a Modern day setting, she still would have walked away. Just for your interest, we have a case here in Australia that states "That too much influence of the bias of the defendant is reliant on the outcome of D.N.A." I think this obtuse and idiotic.... what do you think?. I could go on and on about this legal challenge, but I suspect this defense is going to be a prob
starquant 1 year ago
@20callenderslady I agree with you on that. She was never abused physically or any other way. She killed her Father and Stepmother because she wanted their money. Her family lived in a rundown house and she always wanted to live on this place they all called "The Hill". She was caught burning the dress that she wore while committing the murders. But they let that slide because they claimed that she was on her period and back then it was uncalled for to talk about such things.
TheSneaky78 1 year ago
@starquant You said a woman cannot kill if she doesn't have a good reason to do it? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a stupid thing you are...humans, men or women, would kill, even without a reason, get you facts straight, you fucking sexist!!
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists have read through my comments and can't see where I have actually said that. Also, if you can't keep a civil tongue in your head, I suggest you keep your thoughts to yourself.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant
7 months ago 9
"When a woman gets an Axe and starts whielding it, I am certain that there is a bloody good reason for her to do it. Pitty there aren't a few more Lizzies around, perhaps men would stop raping their daughters, beating their wives and generally terriosing their own families". What about this? you said "men" (all of them, according to you) rape their daughters, beat their wives and terrorise their families, so a Lizzy is needed to kill that plague, aren't you a sexist?
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists ok, sorry to be semantical here, but I never said a Female Can not kill, I merely suggested that when a women kills, it is for a reason and not for pleasure. No sexism intended there, the comment is based purely on data and stats, which support me in my remark. If you disagree, then that is your right to say so.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant anyone, not only women, would kill for a goddamned reason, even the strangest one. Men would kill for power, women for vanity; in the end it's the same crap. It's really hilarious that you support your arguments on statitics and data as all of them are based on a "general" view of the problem. Human behaviour is conditioned by culture religion and tradition, and every human is a universe; your comment really gets me on my nerves as you stated that all of us MEN are fucking perverts
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists I have NEVER known a Female to Kill on the basis of "Vanity" that you suggest. A women kills from Fear, assault and the threat of same. My theories are not crap as you would suggest. 98% of murders are committed by males, 99% of rapes are committed by Males as well. Make your point, do it with intelligence and without speculation. You sound like a horn blowing in the wind, without direction and without perspective. You warn the natives without cause. State your Facts SIR .
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant I clearly said that I did not agree with all of Freud's theories, that crappy thing about the women's envy of the penis is hilarious, but we have to admit that his works on psychoanalisis have set the standards for generations of Modern Psychiatry professionals; regarding your statement about life being cruel to women, I have to say that life is simply life and all the things that happen to us are the result of the way we have built the world, you insinuate I am a misogynist but
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists nope I have not insinuated that you are a Misogynist. If I thought you were, I would say so... LOL. If you disagree with these theories, then please don't refer to them as a form of substance as a basis for a debate in defense of your own opinion. I disagree that Women have " no other option or recourse" simply on the basis that society says she must accept or blindly follow convention on the concept of the status quo. They got rid of the "dunking stool" didn't they?.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant Ok, so what's your contribution to change the Status Quo? as a woman, tell me something really new, no common arguments about poor little women and all that, suggest something to change women and men lives for good, and I'll follow you...but on a logical basis not upon subjective statements like this is a terrible world for the women cos you won't get me
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists thanks for asking. As a woman (general population), I would like the opportunity to live my life on my own terms (which includes Financial Freedom). The United Nations released a Stat in 2009 that showed 80% of minimum wage jobs are held by females. (Corporate positions are held by 2% of women worldwide). Minimum wage does not guarantee a lifestyle and is DEPENDANT on ANOTHER for financial stability. Indeed many women in paid employment still collect welfare.
starquant 1 year ago
@killingracists Further: Many women do not benefit from an equal share in further education in finances from Direct Family ( The ideal being that she doesn't need it because she will become the "problem" of another man). If you see a young woman in a "Strip Club", chances are, she is attending University and needs the MONEY. Well it happens where I live (perhaps not where you live). She tires and gives in and starts spitting out kids because she can't see a way out. Relying on other support.
starquant 1 year ago
@killingracists As an example. I went to a garage sale my neighbor had. As I looked through her clothes, I saw her "Stripper" costumes, with the breast and Vagina "bits" clearly well pawed and disintegrated away. I asked her about this. She said "Oh, that was when I went to Uni, and got sick of starving on Minimum wage, so I stripped". I married a Builder, so that's behind me now. Personally, I felt sick to my stomach, but that was her reality and she thought it was the norm for women to do.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant well, my dear, this is certainly sad, but it is a particular case and not any woman has to make the same decision, strip or even prostitution, there are other ways to make ends meet, you know...
killingracists 1 year ago
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starquant 1 year ago
@starquant In my country, women even earn higher salaries than men, they are business women, they run their own companies etc...in terms of legislation a man can't even insult or shout at them cos they can be sent to trial, depending on the case; well, but even so domestic violence rate is increased, nothing perfect!!
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists I have heard this from others. I can assure you, that this is not happening overseas. In fact, it is the direct opposite. Women are as powerless an ineffective as they ever were. I have noticed the increased hatred towards Women from the States. You tube has become a major translator for this ideal. Will you still accept that worldwide this constitutes 2% of women in higher positions. I realize this seems slight to you, but it is accurate. I assure you.
starquant 1 year ago
@killingracists One More response: The LaTrobe University did a long term study on Minimum wage earners ( of which are predominantly held by women in Australia, of which the figure relates to the U.N figures I just gave). OF FULL TIME Minimum wage jobs available to women over the last 5 years show a decrease into casual or part-time employment by 70% .The end result: Permanent dependency on another for income and lifestyle. It's getting WORSE not better for women.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant Ok, what about your goverment, have you women gone on a massive strike in Australia? you women, are united in Australia? do you support one another on a massive scale? what about the work union protecting female workers rights?
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists Australia is a Huge continent. At last count the population is approx 21 million soles. You end up with people living all over the place, dis-jointed, isolated, without resources etc. An example, In Tennant Creek, the local Police have constructed a cage in the middle of the Main road. Women will voluntarily lock themselves in that cage on a Thursday, Friday and Sat Night. They do it because there are not enough Police to handle the domestic violence complaints.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant soles...lol. I meant SOULS.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant "soles"...it doesn't matter I got what you wanted to say, it sounds the same anyway...It's very sad the pictures you portrait of your country, has domestic violence really gotten to that point? cos it sounds like a movie content it's really hard to believe, I thought Australis was a very civilised country
killingracists 1 year ago
@starquant well...I congratulate your husband, he is a real man, you see, not all men are monsters LOL ...so he brought up the boy...good, I have to admit that a very few men would let their wives to support the family while their in the house with the kids...you..know, that's a matter of culture...men can be taught, of course respecting their manhood, to be more supportive and express their emotions and feelings, that would change agressive behaviors...
killingracists 1 year ago
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starquant 1 year ago
@starquant yes, you're right, many women do not have financil support or help as easy as a man and the females sometimes have to do degrading jobs to makes end meet or go to college, uh ah, but this is the problem, what's the solution?
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists We also argue on a case that was never proven. If we examine the facts over an estate, that was to be summarily handed over to a Step Parent and thus continuing the perpetual control of these two sisters, who so desperately wanted to be "Free". The killing of the "Step" was also required in order for the two girls to have the freedom, they so desperately desired. If you have never experienced this form of Subjugation, it is hard to make a judgement.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant that rape and destroy all women's lives...You try to justify Lizzie Borden for the simple fact that she is a woman and you suppose that her conduct was a reasonable reaction against her father a MAN, this is to say, a raper, a beater, in summary a monster; let me remind you this, a woman was killed as well...
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists a moot point. In making such a statement, you show a lack of compassion summarily held towards women of this era. They were nothing more than "property". to be held in trust. An older woman had little or no compassion, for something she knew herself. Why would a woman "dare" make an effort to a predecessor, to whom would pay little or no regard to her own struggle?.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant You have NEVER kown a female to kill on the basis of "Vanity"(This is your argument that "proves" me "wrong", interesting), but you state that ALL MEN kill for pleasure according to your crappy statitics-based arguments; by the way can you tell the sources you are citing?...Yes, men seem to be more violent and aggressive actively, but it doesn't mean that women are innocent little pigeons as you insinuate, they are violent and aggresive passively, and the worst,
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists the fact that females constitute less that 3% of all violent deaths worldwide (Source United Nations), is the basis of my comment. Two interesting cases in Australia. 1: In the justification of the murder of his wife, the defendant said "she said I had a small Penis and was useless in bed". He got no jail. 2: In a case where a woman murdered her husband (after 20 years of abuse to herself and her kids), on which the son shot the father, she got 20 years in Jail.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant I meant to say "when the son shot the father as well".... I ran out of space.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant Primal scream methods have logically changed with the years; Freud is still taken as a reference in Modern Psychiatry, I do not agree with many of his ideas and most of my collegues do not either, but his contributions are still of great value when it comes to psychoanalise a patient; but I'm not going to discuss that with you, I still think you have anger so deep inside...but well, I'm not your psychiatrist, pay me first...anyway, when a male rapes a woman, it is not because...
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists Freud's idea in relation to "Penis envy" and all his other theories in relation to "his" ideas" or "conceptual" form in relation to women were thrown out years ago, the fact that you reply on them in a conversation, shows you have little regard for the "female" of the species infinitum. If you want to have a discussion with a person, then don't assume they are an emotional cripple or claim they have "issues". Me thinks you doth "protest too much".
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant Why don't you try adoption, there are certaily beautiful babies waiting for a home, you can satisfy your desire of being the mother of a babygirl, why not, uh?
killingracists 1 year ago
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starquant 1 year ago
@killingracists try a film called "Rabbit Proof Fence on "movies-links.tv. It's rated a 9.1 out of a possible 10 by international viewers. It deals with what we have discussed here.
starquant 1 year ago
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starquant 1 year ago
@starquant when a male rapes a woman, it is not because it is in his genes, it is because of his neurotic behavior due to an abnormal perception of the mother figure, of course there many other elements coming to play such as child maltreatment and psychological castration...it is very complicated to explain as any case is unique...so should we KILL them and think that the problem is solved? you have been proven to be WRONG, and now you are ANGRY!! sorry for that!!
killingracists 1 year ago
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killingracists 1 year ago
@starquant My dear madam, why are you so ANGRY??? if you consider I am not the one I claim to be there is a simple solution, stop writing me back and that's it, I don't know you you don't know me, so what's the problem? It seems there is a strong necessity of yours to refute to contestate to defeat...why?? am I important to you? why are you trying to convince me?? that's interesting...very interesting
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists Great Tennis match going on here.... I believe it is your serve.
starquant 1 year ago
@killingracists I am also not trying convince anyone of anything. I think society is a harsh and cruel environment for women. Woman are judged and dealt the most severest of punishments on the slightest infractions. ( If you watch this film, a statement is also made along similar lines, by the defense lawyers wife ( I think). Stats from United Nations show the biggest killer of females this century is Domestic Violence.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant they men and women are part of it. Violence against women, yes, it's true, but what about kids? they tend to imitate behavior, we live in a neurotic society, you see violence evrywhere, the media is the one responsible in the change of values...CULTURE AND RELIGION as well, all of the patriarchal religions teach inhumane treatment to the women, have you noticed that?
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists also my responses were based on one off events. Everyone has the capacity to kill (for what ever reason). An "initial kill" may be in direct response to an initial threat. When the treat is no longer present, then the killing is for the "feeling" or the way a person "feels" after they have completed the Act. I am aware that Women have "serial killed". We are all individuals and behave to conditioning , that we alone have sole knowledge of. My comment still stands.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant ok, I agree with you, I support you, I think that any human being has the right to lead his/her own life...is that all? I mean is that your contribution as a woman, cos you've proven to be cultivated, gimme something more juicy please
killingracists 1 year ago
@starquant YOU are the MISTRESSES of deception and intrigue; Nietzche was right when he said YOU are natural born resentful beings, you acusse men for their "conduct" but deep inside these are the things you'd willingly like to do; by the way, the ones that bring up men are WOMEN. This is a very interesting point if we consider that most of the rapists had an antagonical relastionship with their mothers
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists wow, interesting statement. I am sure there are many sexual assault victims that would strongly disagree with what you have just said. If you don't like women, thats your right. But don't make up a conversation, purport it to be the truth, on the basis of your beliefs. What studies have you completed?. Do you have a PHD in Human Science or Gender studies?, or anything credible to base your opinions on?. Do you have any UN stats for instance, to support your comments?.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant Angry??? interesting...Why did you mention your husband??' Did I say or insinuate that you intimidate men? or you are trying to convince yourself you do not intimidate your husband and that he feels proud of you? ; I like your resumé, congratulations, but I did not ask for it either, I think you have a problem with your paternal figure, was he very hard with you?
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists you referred to me as a Lesbian. There is an implied behavior or an assumption, that goes with this kind of labeling ( I doubt you credentials, if we have to discuss this). I don't have to convince myself of anything either. I wonder how good your relationships are?. Not the best I would suspect. I am very happy with the life I have made for myself, I suspect yours does not run as smoothly as you would hope or desire.... I wonder why?.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant Although I strongly condemn any kinds of violence (and I think that any intelligent individual should, not your case, sorry but true), this has to be regarded as a reaction, men included, honey. I think that males' "agressive behavior" should be studied on the basis of the MATERNAL FIGURE, that would explain lots of things, cos most of the mothers would castrate, in psychological terms, theirs sons, that is a fact, proven and not your shitty statitics crap.
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists that is Freudian Clap trap and I can't believe that there are people that still think this a viable argument. Freud was a WELL known Misogynist, and basically nearly ALL of his comments and observations in relation to your argument have proven to be false. I do NOT advocate violence in any form. All I implied was that I understood it. That in turn, does not make me a villain as you would suggest.
starquant 1 year ago
@killingracists my "shitty" stats as you call them come from 3 sources. The first is the United Nations, the second is the La Trobe University of Melbourne and the third is Amnesty International. If you can spare the time, go and have a look.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant What?...that I don't like...women? hahaha...I thought you were more intelligent, don't be so vulgar!!; I could say the same about you cos it seems you HATE men to the bone, you sound resentful, you even suggested that all the men in the world (potential perverts and rapist according to you) should be killed by many Lizzies Borden, so, who don't like who? are you a lesbian? that's your right, but hating the opposite sex on the basis of the sexual preferences is pathetic
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists Excuse me, your the one that brought up Freudian principles, so my assumption is based on something yourself have mentioned. The fact that you accuse me of being a Lesbian is utter nonsense. I have been married for 20 years. Your the one that is attacking here and challenging everything I say. You can't supply sources, so you resort to calling me names. Very infantile.. you question MY intelligence?. What a bloody joke.
starquant 1 year ago
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starquant 1 year ago
@starquant Regarding my profession, let me tell you that I'm a psychiatrist and I know where I'm standing; and according to my apreciations your conduct is pathological, you or someone very close to you may have suffered any kinds of sexual abuse or assault cos your reactions are not normal; I have a primal scream therapy major, any counseling?
killingracists 1 year ago
@killingracists As a Psychiatrist, you would know that "Primal Scream" therapy was debunked at least 15 years ago as utter nonsense. I don't require counselling, because I choose to stand up to the likes of you either. If you want to take a "superior" attitude to me and suggest I need "therapy", I would suggest the same outcome for yourself. Heaven forbid anyone that ever went to your clinic, I suggest you would be of little or no help to anyone or anybody. Your ideas are antiquated and obtuse.
starquant 1 year ago
@killingracists You also refer to my conduct as Pathological. When one is placed in a position of constantly defending themselves, does not give rise for you to continue to "look" for reasons or an excuse to "attack" my credibility. You have already made assumptions on my "Gender" status and now choose to attack my thinking patterns, on the basis that "I am not right in the head". Make up your mind please. The best form of defense is attack, I see you have that down to a fine ART.
starquant 1 year ago
@killingracists your consummate failure to recognize even the most fundamental human behavior patterns, shows that you are NOT who you claim to be. Don't tell lies, when you obviously don't have even the basic knowledge to back up your claims.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant No adoption in Australia? wow...for couples facing infertility or any kinds of problems related to conception this might be not good news, but paradoxically I think this is a good sign cos it shows that the population is very responsible regarding them babies' bringing into this world. Well...so it seems that the goverment is highly concerned in making increase the number of Australians, isn't it? why?
killingracists 1 year ago
@starquant "the lost Generation"...yeah...it makes me sick. In my opinion the Australian goverment should apologise officially for such a GENOCIDE, but they're very busy thinking on how to avoid thousands of lawsuits to not indemnify the victims, I'll see the movie, thanks
killingracists 1 year ago
The Sister did it ~
markmustb1 2 years ago
She did say some amazing things.
slobomotion 2 years ago 2
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carrotville 2 years ago
In 1892 Massachusetts the mandatory sentence for these crimes was hanging (no insanity defense back then). The jury could not bear to send a well-liked "church lady" to the gallows. That was the chief reason for Lizzie's acquittal.
carrotville 2 years ago
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carrotville 2 years ago
Ahhh, I don't really believe that....its a little far-fetched.... I think she did it...
dinkles77 2 years ago 3
If William Borden did it where is any evidence of Emma or Lizzie ever paying him any amount of sizable money from the Borden fortune? Lizzie did it and Emma approved but couldn't stand to be there when it went down. Never assume any Bible-thumpin person isn't capable of horrible actions. Lizzie hated Abby so it was emotional and fierce. Andrew required just as many hits only to make it consistent and to cover up any "love" Lizzie had for her father.
trade0714 2 years ago