Christians are just less likely to be a scientist and far less likely to be a biologist. Does not mean they can't do it. It does not impair, just impedes.
@FruKaos "1. How do you prove the scientific method using scientific methods? It's like me saying that I always know everything. The proof? I know it!"
Nobody is trying to "prove" the scientific method. Where did you get that nonsense from?
The scientific method is, at present, the best way we have to form agreements about the nature of our world. If you know a better method, do share.
Theist speculations about the past, future and especially about what awaits us after death, don't count.
@shizzleman8 "You couldn't do it for yourself, huh?"
No, I needed someone firmly entrenched in a self-hating dogma of human sacrifice, spawned by bronze age fairy tales and formally encoded by the servants of a pagan emperor in 325AD, to repair what is clearly a supernatural machine.
Francis Collins is not your average evangelical christian he is not a bible literalist, accepts the theory of evolution, big bang etc... and discards the pseudoscience of ID..
@FruKaos I'm talking about Christians who, instead of embracing science such as Catholics, instead establish a state of unreasonable mistrust with it ("atheistic science"). Young Earth Creationism is a big group that does that.
But if you want to talk about different religions, then I could go on all day on the places science contradicts their beliefs.
@ApatheticOmniscience If you are talking about people who doesn't embrace science you can find them within and outside religion. If the majority of the members in the flat-earth society would be atheists does that imply that atheists are against science? No, because religions and world-views are not in the same realm as science. Science is limited to time and space while religion talks about what is our present reality as well as what is beyond time and space.
@FruKaos Science isn't talking about the supernatural. Religion is. Science doesn't contradict religion nor does religion contradict science.
1. Jesus rising from the dead is not a contradiction to science because it is not describing a scientific event. It is describing a supernatural event.
2. Evolution isn't contradicting God as a creator. Evolution tells us how we evolved not why we exist in the first place.
I had to stop this bullshit at 1:35. Nobody is saying you must believe one or the other. In fact, the only group denying the beliefs of the other is creationists refuting hard scientific fact, you don't hear about scientists trying to disprove god. I have yet to answer the door early one Saturday to find a scientist trying to tell me there is no god, but every fuckin' week another pair of mormons or evangelicals shows up to tell me how wrong I am for not believing what they do. THINK 4 YOURSELF!
@EnlightenedReader "Don't caricature all christians as biblical literalists. Many accept Genesis as allegory."
But if Genesis is allegory then any other part of the bible might be allegory or metaphor or parable or some similar non-literal text.
Which means that the story of the fall, eternal damnation, the need for a sacrifice, the resurrection and the whole central mythology of Christianity might be.... myth.
In which case the whole scare tactic falls flat on its face.
Exactly, however half of those people don’t impact the foundations of religion so they’re irrelevant. If you don’t follow the beliefs and rules of your religion as they were written then you can’t be a follower of it. Muslims who don’t kill apostates aren’t true Muslims, you can’t pick and choose what to believe or follow in a religion otherwise it becomes meaningless. An evangelical Christian like Collins who doesn’t believe in creationism is NO evangelical Christian.
no, because he believes in a being he has no way of knowing even exists, he has faith, and that my friend, makes him delusional.... doesn't make him a bad guy, doesn't make him dumb, just delusional.. and if you wanna call be pathetic because i don't believe in a magic man in the sky, if that makes you feel better, go for it....
no, i don't have faith in my wife, i have confidence in her, based on her prior actions, you cannot have confidence in a being that is unproven, so you must have faith.. and yes, many people believe in a magic man in the sky, was jesus a man? was he able to perform feats of magic? does he now reside in the heavens? ever heard of tim tebow? you don't think there is anyone on the planet who would answer yes to all of these questions. ok sure and i'm the idiot
@xd1rtx Would you say that you can have confidence in anything if it can't be proven? I notice that you are using a philosophical argument for science (you cannot have confidence in a being that is unproven). An argument you can't prove scientifically. Does that mean you can have confidence in theories and thoughts even if they can't be proven?
"Magic. The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring for entertainment."
once again you are confusing confidence and faith, i did not intend to use any argument, simply stating that you can't have confidence in something if you have no prior evidence of this thing actually doing anything, question 1, no, but to add to it, existence should be self evident, i don't have to prove to you my wife exists, you can easily prove it to yourself,,, question 2, no, as i said, you can see for yourself, i dont have to prove it, "water into wine" isn't magic?
@xd1rtx You say you didn't intend to use any argument and then you delivers one "you can't have confidence in something if you have no prior evidence...". That is a philosophical argument. How can you prove that argument?
1. If you can't have confidence in stuff that can't be proven how can you have confidence in science? Science can't prove it's own methodology.
2. Evolution can't be proven. Don't you have faith in that theory? I have.
Logical arguments usually have names, premises, conclusions and are listed in a chronological order, I wasn't aware that what I had said was part of a logical argument, I was just saying what I thought, as I said, no intention to use an argument. To answer your questions briefly, 1. Science can be proven and requires that it be proven, or its not science,,, 2. evolution has been proven, and it works,,, no faith required.
1. How do you prove the scientific method using scientific methods? It's like me saying that I always know everything. The proof? I know it!
2. I see you are not talking about real proofs. Outside math you have no proofs in science. You have theories, evidence etc. Evolution is highly plausible but it has never been proven.
@xd1rtx Either you can't understand what I am saying or you don't want to see that your world view is based on faith and philosophy. Either way I would urge you to keep searching for the truth.
First of all, you don't "believe" in science. Where did you get that? You learn science, you know science... and if you don't "believe" you can go test it.
If your mind just believes things without any evidence ( faith ) then you CAN have both religion and scientific information. But you will NEVER understand science.
"Science is more then a body of knowledge, it's a way of thinking..."
Science and religion ARE incompatible. The fact that a scientist can make mental gymnastics to do both doesn't prove anything, other than that he is not truly doing one or the other (or either). Religion tells you to believe something without sufficient reason, which is diametrically opposite to science and reason.
@Gaius0 You believe in religion because you have good reasons to do so. Only a naturalist thinks religion and science are incompatible. That is because they have their beliefs...
@FruKaos Religion tells you to have faith. Faith is the belief in something without sufficient evidence. That tenet of religion is completely incompatible with a scientific approach. You either believe in something based on evidence, in which case you are using scientific reasoning, or based on faith, in which case you aren't.
@Gaius0 Scientist have faith in science. You can't prove science itself with science. The only way you can argue that science is a good way to gain knowledge is through philosophy.Can you prove your statements through science? No. But you have faith in them...
Christians have a relation with God because of personal revelation. I can't prove that to you. Nor can I prove how much I love my children or that my wife loves me scientifically. Does that mean love doesn't exist?
@FruKaos It's not "faith". Any scientific theory collapses immediately if it's challenged with sufficient evidence. It's built into the scientific method, so you can disprove any theory if you find proof. I don't believe any scientific theory on faith, but on supporting evidence.
As for love, you have evidence of it every time someone performs a selfless act. Science doesn't deny the existence of what it doesn't yet understand, but it doesn't jump to conclusions about the explanation.
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
Dr Collins is a unique chrisitan. Put him in a room with those that say cavemen rode on the backs of dinosaurs and he will argue as vehemently as CH. Put him in a room full of fundamental muslims that believe killing infidels is doing gods work and he will throw CH out of the way to get at them. How many christians that reply to these posts can actually say they believe what Dr Collins believes? And how many of ur friends can say the same? I think u'll find ur numbers are extremely low indeed.
Hitchens have respect for dr. Collins and you know perfectly well that it is not people like dr. Collins that has anything at all to do with why Hitchens has criticised religion. He would not have written any books about religion or debated religion if all theists would be like you or dr. Collins. But that is definetely not the case.
There´s hardly any atheists that care about what any true moderate Christians and secularists believe in or have any issue with you. Besides that you may act as a shelter for the wackos to thrive among. I mean a shelter in number and in acceptance for religious lunacy. If all theists would be rationalists and secularists atheists wouldn´t care about religion. Here´s a video for you:
You will not find many atheists that argue that it´s not possible to be a rationalist, an excellent scientist and also have a faith in a religion. But you live in a country where a majority of Christians deny evolution and many also do their best to push their retarded agenda to teach ID as an alternative "hypothesis" to evolution and who for real think that such a scientific hypothesis exists. How do you think atheists will react to religion in such a country?
@ansaz14 "Tell what are the basic presuppositions of science?"
Science "presumes" that its method is the best use of human intelligence in the pursuit of knowledge, at present. It "presumes" that observable and quantifiable evidence which can be generated, tested and confirmed or refuted by others, is superior to hearsay. It "presumes" that if it cannot be observed, leaves no evidence, cannot be reproduced independently, requires special pleading and belief without evidence, it is crap.
If an atheist doctor treated a Christian patient, should the patient change his or her views on the world? N-N-N-NOPE.
One portion of the Hippocratic Oath states: I will remember that I remain a member of society with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
That includes not shoving one's cosmology down another's throat.
There is no doubt that religious scientists exist. There is also no doubt that they have to compartmentalize their beliefs. In essence they do not apply the scientific method to their beliefs. Dr. Collins himself admits this right after he denies it when he says that "these aren't scientific questions." Of course they are. If god created the universe then the universe is an expression of god and science could use it as evidence of him.
This video should be embarrassing to all thinking Christians. What atheist would defend atheism by giving an extensive biography of another atheist, whose credentials he deemed particularly impressive?
JESUS SAID YOU CAN NOT SERVE TWO GODS YOU WILL LOVE ONE AND HATE THE OTHER FRANCIS COLLINGS IS IN NO WAY A CHRISTAIN AND HE IS NOT BORN AGAIN YOU CAN TELL BY LISTING TO HIM TALK . HE NEEDS JESUS AND HE NEEDS THE HOLY GHOST JESUS SAID HAVE NO LOVE FOR THIS WORLD NOR THE THINGS IN IT ,, FRANCIS COLLINGS HUGS THIS WORL AND LOVES IT MORE THEN HE DOES JESUS CHRIST . JESUS SAID DONT STORE UP RICHES ON EARTH WHO CARE HOW MANY DRGEES ONE HAS
@5paceship I feel the same thing to people who use words & phrases such as christfag, bible thumper, holy roller, church idiot, xian, fundie, christfool, christian idiot, christian fool, jesus freak, bible humper, nutjob, weak minded, and....(get ready for it)......bigot.
You really suck, Larry, addled by religion and brainless conservatism. You are an enemy of the people, a shill for the power brokers who LIE that the deficit is the fault of social programs when Clinton's record surplus was turned into a record deficit by eight years of irresponsible adventurism by Bush and the neocons! It sickens me to think what you and your fellow reptiles are willing to do to this country for your naked greed, and as Hitchens said it's a pity there's no hell for you to go to
The fact that Hitchens is seeking help from a Christian scientist (note the small 's', Christian Science as a proper noun is something I don't think Collins is involved in) seems irrelevant. I'm not a mechanic, so when my car breaks down I take it to one. If my mechanic is a Scientologist, does it lend credence to his or her argument for the stories of L Ron Hubbard?
9:10 "The harmony of science and faith" - what a beautiful euphemism! It subtly accepts that they are two entirely different beings. Would Collins say that there is a 'harmony' between science and biology? Of course not - biology is a science, not something that complements it. Yet at 3:02, he claims that his religion is a rational choice - no NOMA implied.
0:54-9 Of course, and rightly so. There is a genuine contradiction between accepting science and religion simultaneously. Making the argument that atheists hold a view they don't express because they know they'll get rebuked is attacking a strawman. Nobody is saying that religious people can't be scientists. Playing the 'Collins Card' doesn't impress anyone or refute anything - Collins' religion is incompatible with the scientific process he uses in his work every day.
This video, rather than offering a counter argument, highlights the very reason why science and religion are incompatible. Science starts off with a Null hypothesis. It then gathers evidence and then draws a conclusion. Religion starts with a conclusion and then attempts to destroy or invalidate any evidence that contradicts it. In the case of religious scientists, it`s fairly easy to see that religious scientists are not approaching the religious question from a scientific perspective.
God made man to have two half brains and two hands, etc. suggests God is willing to permit man to gain by a stereoscopic view of Idealism and Realism. So to have Science on one hand and Religion on the other, the man of Truth grasps the whole view of humanity and takes then a self evident meaning into all his inquiries. Foresight is based on Hindsight, what other sight is there ? We know that we feel, and then we feel that we know, is the only approach to truth that is rational.
And lo and behold, it came to pass that sample were taken from healthy and tumor tissue, whose genome was sequenced in most expensive machines, the results correlated by the powerful mind known as a computer data base and matched to a known drug which is now administered by the priests of medicine.
As an atheist I truly believe however that science has and is the only way we further our knowledge of this world and universe and religion has only attempted to stifle this process through history. Whether it be against Copernicus, Galileo, Darwin, or Jane Goodall, all of their works were seen as detrimental by the church because it didn't conform with theological doctrine, whether it be truth or not. So I do feel religion is somewhat of an arbiter of ignorance among the masses.
As Neil Degrasse Tyson states, "we are all related to each other biologically, the earth chemically, and the universe anatomically." This painting the Big Bang as something that truly is beautiful based on how you look at it. Beauty through randomness. I believe Francis Collins is a very good man. How he is helping Christopher Hitchens with his cancer. Their relationship really showing how theists and atheists should be able to talk to one another.
Yes I am an atheist. And I do believe that there will probably always be religion in our society because there seems to be some "hole" in man that vies for the spiritual. As if now, science has not been able to capture this very well. Men such as Carl Sagan and now Neil Degrasse Tyson have used this spiritual approach and I believe it is something scientists need to use to their advantage. Science can truly be beautiful and spiritual.
Brilliant men like Francis Collins can still be religious because religion appeals to the emotions of an individual. His reason plays no part in his acceptance of Christianity. His account of "finding God" was that he saw a frozen waterfall one day when he was hiking and was overwhelmed by its beauty. He knelt down and accepted Jesus as his savior right there. No reason there. It was sheer emotion that overtook him.
It's true that many atheists think that the religious are stupid - This always sets arguments off on the wrong foot. Most religious people are no more stupid than most atheists, no less arrogant either or close minded.
elementary philosophy disproves religion--Science is completely unnecessary in this sense and actually, most of the time it is misrepresented, as it is here, and then put up as a straw man argument.
I loved this video. I actually had to pause it a few times as it made me laugh so hard I almost couldn't breathe. The effectiveness of the parody is that if I didn't know better I'd swear it was really made by one of those imbecile religious nuts. Well done. Keep them coming.
science is a profession, religion is a belief, they are different. being a scientist and religious means nothing, its like saying my playing tennis effects my atheism. most of science has NOTHING to do with religion AT ALL. there are people who go from atheist to religious and from religious to atheist, all in different fields of profession, its IRRELEVANT. if this is true why do a lot of main religious people accept evolution? UNTIL EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE IN GOD.
He says science doesnt answer the question "Why are we here?" yea and christianity does? It comes down to the fact that religious people can't comprehend the fact that people can't comprehend all, so they naturally look for something to rationalize and give reason to these unanswerable questions. People do not have the answer to everything, but since we demand answers, or comfort with knowledge, we create the imaginery powers and then stop any research on it.. which is where scientists step in
I find this video rather disingenuous, as it attempts to put the blame on the suggestion that science and religion is a dichotomy purely on the shoulders of atheists. It is clear to everyone that fundamentalist Christians and Muslims have, arguably, done more to vocalise this view than anyone else.
the fact that he is a medical researcher does not provide any support for the existence of "god".....it shows he can think scientifically but can allow himself to live a delusion AT THE SAME time......I have been a medical doctor for as long as Dr Collins.......
i could not understand till now why science in the usa is so wrong.. christain are predators.. by the time Im done everything this man of so called science will be sued for the lies and the deaths he' he's caused. im gonna good this jerk ..
Francis Collings isnt a real Christian, he always puts science and reason before his religion, he would'nt of been able to complete his work on the Genome if that were untrue.
The same psychological pattern and answer seeking traits that allowed him to unlock the Genome, are the same traits that lead him to God, in an effort to answer the other questions that its not yet possible to explain. He doesnt believe in Intelligent Design because we already have the means to explain this.
@JaydeeOldBoy I know you posted this a while ago, but to prove evolution to Christians, I use Francis Collins, and it works. His book I just suggest to them "The Language of God"
and on account of his dominion he is wont to be called "Lord God" or "Universal Ruler"The Supreme God is a Being eternal, infinite, and absolutely perfect.
Opposition to godliness is atheism in profession and idolatry in practice. Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors."
Since you mentioned Newton here's what he had to say about God and gravity.
Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion. God governs all things and knows all that is or can be done.
This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent Being. This Being governs all things, not as the soul of the world, but as Lord over all;
When collins says ".. those are clearly not scientific questions" I beg to differ. Its always like this, when you reach a point in the current understanding of "x" you just say "God" because back in the days, Gravity was also God, until Isaac Newton came along. Its probably always going to be like this. But eventually God will be that small unknown.
Dr. Collins is really helpful here. He looks at the evidence, concludes the world is 100,000 years old. As he says, science is an exploration of the natural world and there are some questions science cannot answer. There is no conflict between Dr. Collins and the Atheist position here. What inflames the atheist debate, is when the religious person analyses the Bible, determines the world is 7000 years old and then declares the science to be fundamentally flawed.
@maflones Ooops! I meant humans are 100k rather than the world itself, my mistake. Not sure it changes my point though. Which was that Collins work in the Human Genome project points to the fact that humans have been around a lot longer than the world is said to have existed by the "Young Earth" creationists.
@CastrolJets science is funamentally flawed? then how are you sitting on this computer ran by billions of transistors, communicating using electromagnetic radiation with at least 4 sattelites in space? science is fundamentally flawed? no. your just an ignorant sheep
@NUGNESS123 actually some atheists try to equivocate science to naturalism. The two are fundamentally different; the fundamental flaw is with naturalism rather than science.
@ansaz14 What you just said makes zero sense in response to what I said. it is extremely obvious the world is older than 100,000 years..... if you cant or do not want to accept that then you do not accept reality
@NUGNESS123 : Actually it isn't. I am assuming that you are already familiar with the weakness of Carbon 14 dating and you might want to look up the challenge of excess Argon with K/Ar dating. There is no planet btwn Earth and Mars is obvious; Genetic drift is obvious. Age of the earth is constantly being revised and is still contentious.
@CastrolJets: Young Earth creationists such as ourselves question the presuppositions of carbon dating not the following logic. It's based on deductive reasoning, so if the premise is true everything else is through. That is why philosophy has to be taught to scientists so they understand the reasoning behind the scientific method and what the weaknesses are. Tell what are the basic presuppositions of science? how do u know it isn't flawed?
Christopher Hitchens younger brother Peter Jonathan Hitchens (a former atheist), is a prominent Christian and believes that without faith and without strong families, the development of conscience is stunted, private life is diminished and the power of the state increased. That said, it is easy to understand the complacency and arrogance of the twisted mentality of those who refuse to acknowledge God to continue "Without Conscience" as reprobates into the underworld of perverseness/immorality.
Please do explain how Atheism can be either complacent, arrogant or mentally twisted. Furthermore, could you also explain, using the reason and logic you have so clearly demonstrated thus far, why your petty and dick-like god kills millions of children each year for no apparent reason?
And also tell us why religionists dismiss these acts of mass slaughter as.....god working in 'mysterious' ways?
@Stratahoovius "why your petty and dick-like god kills millions of children each year for no apparent reason?"
Don't blame God, Blame Man, Starting with"GREED", Chemicals, Pollutants, Carcinogenic's and Hormones used in our food, water, air and soil.
And then you have the example of how Physicists, Biologists and Doctors see fit to wipe out nasty viruses, where in the Old Testament, should explain acts of God destroying the wicked. As he created life, so shall he destroy it!
@Stratahoovius Blame your Government for intervening in foreign lands due to greed (Halliburton), where as collateral damage starves, kills, maims thousands of innocent men woman & children. Blame those who support war and the laws of cause and effect, as in "We Reap What We Sow". Then you have perversion and immortality of a Godless Nation which explains the varied global catastrophe's in the last ten years alone than any other time in the history of man (Warnings), and it's going to get worse.
You clearly believe in a god who is more than willing to indiscriminately and KILL anybody and everybody who defies him, people who are simply living out their lives and taking full advantage of the free will given to them by god..and then are punished! Why burden yourself with the idea that you have to grovel to and please a god of such ruthlessness. You would be surprised just how little you will recieve in the way of divine punishment if you choose not to believe!
No different than obeying my loving parents house rules, immoral perverseness is wrong, not to steal, cheat, bear false witness/lie, have temper tantrums or manipulate others to get my way, fight and argue and use foul or belittling language, bullying, disrespect of others, do drugs, get drunk or treat my parents as if they didn't exist and warned of punishment and/or kicked out into the street, Yes, I'd listen and love them for it. I value life and the lives of others!
@Stratahoovius Just because a group of homosexuals were able to change the laws of Man doesn't make it right. Just as it isn't right to commit incest, sodomy, rape, bestiality, fornicate, murder, steal, violence acts upon others, racially discriminate, torture, kidnap, etc, take the life you've been given and destroy it by living recklessly and teaching others to do so, acquaint yourself as an animal to eat shit and die with no other purpose than to use or step on others to get ahead.
@Stratahoovius "Please do explain how Atheism can be either complacent, arrogant or mentally twisted/petty and dick-like god"
Anyone foolish enough to refer to God as you do, gives good clarity as to answer your own question, not to mention the individuals or families cursed (until repentance). Now add hatred and anger toward God undeserving out of ignorance.
For Hypocrite Christians: 1Corinthians 11: 24-30 Those who drink unworthily, why many are sick, lame and "sleep" (Death) amongst you.
@Stratahoovius "And also tell us why religionists dismiss these acts of mass slaughter as.....god working in 'mysterious' ways?"
Not all who perished who have not heard nor understood the Gospel of Christ will be Judged without being given a chance to redeem themselves. GOD IS LOVE and MERCY! More later!
In my view, living on this planet surrounded by evil, is not necessarily the GOOD LIFE God had in mind, therefore, find it a blessing to leave it. I am merely here to help try to save others.
@Stratahoovius As I previously commented "Not all who perished who have not heard nor understood the Gospel of Christ will be Judged without being given a chance to redeem themselves. GOD IS LOVE and MERCY!"
There are just not enough space to explain it all. I refer you to search:
"Bible Correspondence Course Lesson 21 Is This The Only Day Of Salvation?"
Also keep in mind, God is not the author of Confusion, Man Made Religion can also be false doctrine.
Congratulations. It took you 9 minutes to state that Francis Collins is religious and he is also an evangelical christian. Hence science is compatible with science! What a brilliant argument. Let's apply this argument to christianity. The BTK strangler was an active christian and a serial killer. Hence being a serial killer is compatible with christianity. And you say atheist's arguments are childish.
I really like the video. But, Dr. Collins doesn’t seem to be a literalist. I don’t see how someone who believes a man can survive in the intestinal track of a whale can be rational or unbiased in their thinking. I do agree with your proposition about Hitchens. Religion does not poison everything but there are MAJOR problems with literalism.
How do you love God with all your heart, mind, soul and all your strength when you can't even see him or speak to him? The answer is found in John 1, "In the beginning was the word, the word was with God, the word was God."
To know God's words is to get a better understanding of who and what God is. Allow no man to teach you, but let the spirit guide you. 1st John 2:27. Too many of us listen to man made organized religion (false doctrine) rather than the spirit to open your eyes. Peace Out!
It's nice to have your cake and eat it too, but to act like you are the center of the universe, where the good lives of others and/or their families are jeopardized by your greed, perversion, hatred, anger, jealousy, envy, murder, drug/alcohol abuse, etc, by pretending there is no God, also has it's reward. God does not threaten, but warns of these rewards, it's a wise man who listens. Trust and Love God, you will have a long healthy life.
@Acecool444 "it's nice to have your cake and eat it too" which is exactly what you are trying to do with your assertion that god answers prayers....but not if he doesn't want to.... That turns out to be exactly as reality would work without god,
The one thing I do have is this! By my faith, I know that God answers the prayers of a righteous man, Isaiah 59:1-2, John 9:31, James 5:16
Should any of you ever felt that God does not answer your communicative prayer's therefore God couldn't exist, I strongly urge you to read the above scriptures. Also, because God IS Omniscient, he also knows the future, and will not answer your requests because it may lead you to your own destruction if you're not mentally and spiritually fit to receive it.
Am I better than you? No, I have the same typical problems many of you atheist also have. I have to fight to survive just like anybody else. But, I know this for a fact! Had it not been for God, I would have just been one more statistic in the populace of criminal activity. Lying, Stealing, Perversion, and all else that might hurt another person. We are ALL guilty in one way or another. And then there's the option for Life Eternal! Who in their right minds would throw that away? I BELIEVE IT100%
@Acecool444 "Had it not been for God..., I would have just been..... Lying, Stealing, Perversion, and all else that might hurt another person"
clearly, you are a violent sociopath.So, I'm glad that you found something to put a damper on that problem. However, most people are able to control their baser instincts without relying on god.
If you can, let go of this fear of losing control..try to think rationally about the likelihood of god's existence
Should you show respect toward one another without all the hatred, anger, sarcasm, insults, discombobulating confusion of twisting words around, putting words in my mouth, we can scientifically and philosophically stop wasting time and get to the heart of the matter. However! Ask stupid questions out of sarcasm, and I will either ignore you, or mirror back your absurdity. Should you stay on topic and learn a little respect, If there is a GOD, maybe then, You might hear some evidence.
What atheists don't understand is that god is real and that's science, and we can prove it, look around you, the world exists, therefore god exist. It's called logic atheists, suck it.
Why do people use the fact that this specific doctor is religious, as a spiteful comeback to cure their butthurt-ness? It's not like this is the only doctor in the world that can perform the treatment, NOR does he know how to treat a person because of his religious view.
@hexum7 And of course, religion is separate from science- There is nothing scientific about religious beliefs. Atheists are not 'trying' to separate the two- they already are. Science is the study of how things occur. Religious has no say in explaining such matters- Learn about theology, or the world's religions. Religious beliefs merely state that a god or god did something or other- Never how that process occurred or was implemented by said gods. Two separate subjects
@hexum7 Once again, displaying your lack of full understanding and proving complete ignorance, bias, hatred and anger. Nobody really cares what you think, other than to mirror back (from an outside perspective), just what a fool you really are. Your Delusions of Grandeur outweigh your true abilities of logical thought, common sense or any sense of rationality or wisdom. Sadly, You don't even reach the plateau of pseudo intellectual, let alone basic education (many spelling/grammar violations).
@Acecool444 Blah balh balh- childish name calling will not make your point any more rational- If you want to dispute what i have written, do so, but stupid assumptions about my alleged sense of grandeur (are you barking up the wrong tree) yadda yadda yadda, just don't cut it
@hexum7 "you are apompous fool ,too stupid to realize that you are stupid. - Though you are highly adept at projection...playing the dullard...."
"Blah balh balh- childish name calling will not make your point any more rational- If you want to dispute what i have written, do so, but stupid assumptions about my alleged sense of grandeur (are you barking up the wrong tree) yadda yadda yadda, just don't cut it"
@Acecool444 LOL I was aping your assertion that those who understood dawkins reasoning were pompous fools- or did you not understand what i meant by adept at projection? guess not
@hexum7@hexum7 "LOL I was aping your assertion that those who understood dawkins reasoning were pompous fools- or did you not understand what i meant by adept at projection? guess not"
"you are apompous fool ,too stupid to realize that you are stupid. - Though you are highly adept at projection"
More proof that Atheists revert to excuses, exaggeration and minimizing when corrected. Now add Liar to your ever growing list of problems.
This is absurd- a doctor is also a christia , so that proves the two are compatble? a doctor or scientist can, and have been a ku klux klan member or a nazi- that doesn't signify that the those ideologies are rational or scientific- Try to use reason before making a ranting video which demonstrates nothing
@hexum7 "This is absurd- a doctor is also a christia , so that proves the two are compatble? a doctor or scientist can, and have been a ku klux klan member or a nazi- that doesn't signify that the those ideologies are rational or scientific- Try to use reason before making a ranting video which demonstrates nothing"
You completely missed the point!! Atheists claim those who believe in God are delusional, yet it was a man of God who Christopher Hitchens chose to treat him. "Only Fools Rush In"
when a religious person tries to take the intellectual or moral high ground, that's when you know you're facing an abject idiot.
zackhanscom 3 weeks ago
Christians are just less likely to be a scientist and far less likely to be a biologist. Does not mean they can't do it. It does not impair, just impedes.
vorkvoyd 1 month ago
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@FruKaos "1. How do you prove the scientific method using scientific methods? It's like me saying that I always know everything. The proof? I know it!"
Nobody is trying to "prove" the scientific method. Where did you get that nonsense from?
The scientific method is, at present, the best way we have to form agreements about the nature of our world. If you know a better method, do share.
Theist speculations about the past, future and especially about what awaits us after death, don't count.
Terncote 2 months ago
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@shizzleman8 "You couldn't do it for yourself, huh?"
No, I needed someone firmly entrenched in a self-hating dogma of human sacrifice, spawned by bronze age fairy tales and formally encoded by the servants of a pagan emperor in 325AD, to repair what is clearly a supernatural machine.
So you are a lawyer, you say...
Terncote 2 months ago
The guy who fixed my vacuum cleaner was a Christian. I guess that means I can't be an atheist any more then.
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@Terncote You couldn't do it for yourself, huh?
shizzleman8 2 months ago
Can you be rational AND believe that an ass (donkey) spoke? Numbers 22
blaqb0x 2 months ago
@blaqb0x Yeah, I'm listening to you aren't I?
shizzleman8 2 months ago
Francis Collins is not your average evangelical christian he is not a bible literalist, accepts the theory of evolution, big bang etc... and discards the pseudoscience of ID..
kapachangos 2 months ago
Actually, it's the Christians who have separated themselves from and against science. I mean, any science that contradicts their beliefs that is..
ApatheticOmniscience 2 months ago
@ApatheticOmniscience What science contradicts religion?
FruKaos 2 months ago
@FruKaos I'm talking about Christians who, instead of embracing science such as Catholics, instead establish a state of unreasonable mistrust with it ("atheistic science"). Young Earth Creationism is a big group that does that.
But if you want to talk about different religions, then I could go on all day on the places science contradicts their beliefs.
ApatheticOmniscience 2 months ago
@ApatheticOmniscience If you are talking about people who doesn't embrace science you can find them within and outside religion. If the majority of the members in the flat-earth society would be atheists does that imply that atheists are against science? No, because religions and world-views are not in the same realm as science. Science is limited to time and space while religion talks about what is our present reality as well as what is beyond time and space.
FruKaos 2 months ago
@FruKaos Science isn't talking about the supernatural. Religion is. Science doesn't contradict religion nor does religion contradict science.
1. Jesus rising from the dead is not a contradiction to science because it is not describing a scientific event. It is describing a supernatural event.
2. Evolution isn't contradicting God as a creator. Evolution tells us how we evolved not why we exist in the first place.
FruKaos 2 months ago
I had to stop this bullshit at 1:35. Nobody is saying you must believe one or the other. In fact, the only group denying the beliefs of the other is creationists refuting hard scientific fact, you don't hear about scientists trying to disprove god. I have yet to answer the door early one Saturday to find a scientist trying to tell me there is no god, but every fuckin' week another pair of mormons or evangelicals shows up to tell me how wrong I am for not believing what they do. THINK 4 YOURSELF!
LegionnaireEtrangere 3 months ago
@LegionnaireEtrangere heh, I couldn't even make it that far. I stopped at 1:27
ApatheticOmniscience 2 months ago
I liked the ironic juxtaposition when you were talking about Dr. Collins' accomplishments while showing Thunderf00t doing his dorky, useless shit. :)
stallion4life 3 months ago
@EnlightenedReader "Don't caricature all christians as biblical literalists. Many accept Genesis as allegory."
But if Genesis is allegory then any other part of the bible might be allegory or metaphor or parable or some similar non-literal text.
Which means that the story of the fall, eternal damnation, the need for a sacrifice, the resurrection and the whole central mythology of Christianity might be.... myth.
In which case the whole scare tactic falls flat on its face.
Good. Thank you.
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@EnlightenedReader
Exactly, however half of those people don’t impact the foundations of religion so they’re irrelevant. If you don’t follow the beliefs and rules of your religion as they were written then you can’t be a follower of it. Muslims who don’t kill apostates aren’t true Muslims, you can’t pick and choose what to believe or follow in a religion otherwise it becomes meaningless. An evangelical Christian like Collins who doesn’t believe in creationism is NO evangelical Christian.
JaydeeOldBoy 3 months ago
yes, dr. collins is a very smart man,,, imagine how smart he could be without his delusion.........
xd1rtx 3 months ago
@xd1rtx
And how do you know he's delusional?
Why because you saw a Professor with an English accent say he was.
Pathetic.
ivlfounder 3 months ago
@ivlfounder
no, because he believes in a being he has no way of knowing even exists, he has faith, and that my friend, makes him delusional.... doesn't make him a bad guy, doesn't make him dumb, just delusional.. and if you wanna call be pathetic because i don't believe in a magic man in the sky, if that makes you feel better, go for it....
xd1rtx 3 months ago
@xd1rtx
You're either a liar an idiot or you must live in a constant state of fear with all those theists out there who can launch nuclear weapons.
FYI if it was up to people like you Britain would have surrendered to the Nazis.
ivlfounder 3 months ago
@ivlfounder
nice story bud....
xd1rtx 3 months ago
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@xd1rtx
You said yourself they were delusional.
So what are you? a liar, an idiot, or do you live in a constant state of fear?
ivlfounder 3 months ago
@xd1rtx So you don't have faith in your wife? Or are you delusional?
Btw, no one believes in a magic man in the sky.
FruKaos 2 months ago
@FruKaos
no, i don't have faith in my wife, i have confidence in her, based on her prior actions, you cannot have confidence in a being that is unproven, so you must have faith.. and yes, many people believe in a magic man in the sky, was jesus a man? was he able to perform feats of magic? does he now reside in the heavens? ever heard of tim tebow? you don't think there is anyone on the planet who would answer yes to all of these questions. ok sure and i'm the idiot
xd1rtx 2 months ago
@xd1rtx Would you say that you can have confidence in anything if it can't be proven? I notice that you are using a philosophical argument for science (you cannot have confidence in a being that is unproven). An argument you can't prove scientifically. Does that mean you can have confidence in theories and thoughts even if they can't be proven?
"Magic. The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring for entertainment."
FruKaos 2 months ago
@FruKaos
once again you are confusing confidence and faith, i did not intend to use any argument, simply stating that you can't have confidence in something if you have no prior evidence of this thing actually doing anything, question 1, no, but to add to it, existence should be self evident, i don't have to prove to you my wife exists, you can easily prove it to yourself,,, question 2, no, as i said, you can see for yourself, i dont have to prove it, "water into wine" isn't magic?
xd1rtx 2 months ago
@xd1rtx You say you didn't intend to use any argument and then you delivers one "you can't have confidence in something if you have no prior evidence...". That is a philosophical argument. How can you prove that argument?
1. If you can't have confidence in stuff that can't be proven how can you have confidence in science? Science can't prove it's own methodology.
2. Evolution can't be proven. Don't you have faith in that theory? I have.
FruKaos 2 months ago
@FruKaos
Logical arguments usually have names, premises, conclusions and are listed in a chronological order, I wasn't aware that what I had said was part of a logical argument, I was just saying what I thought, as I said, no intention to use an argument. To answer your questions briefly, 1. Science can be proven and requires that it be proven, or its not science,,, 2. evolution has been proven, and it works,,, no faith required.
xd1rtx 2 months ago
@xd1rtx
1. How do you prove the scientific method using scientific methods? It's like me saying that I always know everything. The proof? I know it!
2. I see you are not talking about real proofs. Outside math you have no proofs in science. You have theories, evidence etc. Evolution is highly plausible but it has never been proven.
FruKaos 2 months ago
@FruKaos
i'm bored with you... your semantics and denial/acceptance of science is reprehensible... be gone troll
xd1rtx 2 months ago
@xd1rtx Either you can't understand what I am saying or you don't want to see that your world view is based on faith and philosophy. Either way I would urge you to keep searching for the truth.
Have a good Christmas and a Happy New Year!
FruKaos 2 months ago
You can't believe in science and religion.
First of all, you don't "believe" in science. Where did you get that? You learn science, you know science... and if you don't "believe" you can go test it.
If your mind just believes things without any evidence ( faith ) then you CAN have both religion and scientific information. But you will NEVER understand science.
"Science is more then a body of knowledge, it's a way of thinking..."
- Carl Sagan
Callirgos1 3 months ago
@Callirgos1
"You can't believe in science and religion."
Even Dawkins admits Collins proves one can.
Looks like you're suffering from a delusion.
ivlfounder 3 months ago 2
Just wondering if Collins is praying for Hitchens, or applying science....
biggregg5 3 months ago
@biggregg5
It takes a special kind of person to think Collins could only do one or the other.
ivlfounder 3 months ago
Science and religion ARE incompatible. The fact that a scientist can make mental gymnastics to do both doesn't prove anything, other than that he is not truly doing one or the other (or either). Religion tells you to believe something without sufficient reason, which is diametrically opposite to science and reason.
Gaius0 4 months ago
@Gaius0 You believe in religion because you have good reasons to do so. Only a naturalist thinks religion and science are incompatible. That is because they have their beliefs...
FruKaos 2 months ago
@FruKaos Religion tells you to have faith. Faith is the belief in something without sufficient evidence. That tenet of religion is completely incompatible with a scientific approach. You either believe in something based on evidence, in which case you are using scientific reasoning, or based on faith, in which case you aren't.
Gaius0 2 months ago
@Gaius0 Scientist have faith in science. You can't prove science itself with science. The only way you can argue that science is a good way to gain knowledge is through philosophy.Can you prove your statements through science? No. But you have faith in them...
Christians have a relation with God because of personal revelation. I can't prove that to you. Nor can I prove how much I love my children or that my wife loves me scientifically. Does that mean love doesn't exist?
FruKaos 2 months ago
@FruKaos It's not "faith". Any scientific theory collapses immediately if it's challenged with sufficient evidence. It's built into the scientific method, so you can disprove any theory if you find proof. I don't believe any scientific theory on faith, but on supporting evidence.
As for love, you have evidence of it every time someone performs a selfless act. Science doesn't deny the existence of what it doesn't yet understand, but it doesn't jump to conclusions about the explanation.
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lightandbeautiful 5 months ago
Dr Collins is a unique chrisitan. Put him in a room with those that say cavemen rode on the backs of dinosaurs and he will argue as vehemently as CH. Put him in a room full of fundamental muslims that believe killing infidels is doing gods work and he will throw CH out of the way to get at them. How many christians that reply to these posts can actually say they believe what Dr Collins believes? And how many of ur friends can say the same? I think u'll find ur numbers are extremely low indeed.
tabula123456 5 months ago
Hitchens have respect for dr. Collins and you know perfectly well that it is not people like dr. Collins that has anything at all to do with why Hitchens has criticised religion. He would not have written any books about religion or debated religion if all theists would be like you or dr. Collins. But that is definetely not the case.
katnils 5 months ago
There´s hardly any atheists that care about what any true moderate Christians and secularists believe in or have any issue with you. Besides that you may act as a shelter for the wackos to thrive among. I mean a shelter in number and in acceptance for religious lunacy. If all theists would be rationalists and secularists atheists wouldn´t care about religion. Here´s a video for you:
"If Atheists Acted Religious"
katnils 5 months ago
You will not find many atheists that argue that it´s not possible to be a rationalist, an excellent scientist and also have a faith in a religion. But you live in a country where a majority of Christians deny evolution and many also do their best to push their retarded agenda to teach ID as an alternative "hypothesis" to evolution and who for real think that such a scientific hypothesis exists. How do you think atheists will react to religion in such a country?
katnils 5 months ago
what is the point of this video?
cygnusx555 5 months ago
@ansaz14 "Tell what are the basic presuppositions of science?"
Science "presumes" that its method is the best use of human intelligence in the pursuit of knowledge, at present. It "presumes" that observable and quantifiable evidence which can be generated, tested and confirmed or refuted by others, is superior to hearsay. It "presumes" that if it cannot be observed, leaves no evidence, cannot be reproduced independently, requires special pleading and belief without evidence, it is crap.
Terncote 5 months ago
If an atheist doctor treated a Christian patient, should the patient change his or her views on the world? N-N-N-NOPE.
One portion of the Hippocratic Oath states: I will remember that I remain a member of society with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
That includes not shoving one's cosmology down another's throat.
josephpatrickknox 5 months ago
How dare scientists try and stand in the way of the truth of Thoth and Wotan!
Osiris will surely smite them and Baal will not let their sins go unpunished......
LudvigIndestrucable 5 months ago 9
@LudvigIndestrucable Intersting to have a believer in the egyptian mythology online. But why are you looking at clips on Christianity?
FruKaos 3 months ago
@FruKaos S.A.R.C.A.R.S.M
ansaz14 2 months ago
@ansaz14 S.A.R.C.A.S.M
FruKaos 2 months ago
There is no doubt that religious scientists exist. There is also no doubt that they have to compartmentalize their beliefs. In essence they do not apply the scientific method to their beliefs. Dr. Collins himself admits this right after he denies it when he says that "these aren't scientific questions." Of course they are. If god created the universe then the universe is an expression of god and science could use it as evidence of him.
cidvisions 7 months ago
And what does Hitch have to say about Dr. Collins?
/watch?v=hc6UdA3TtWY&feature=related
Nothing but class.
milesalpha1 7 months ago
Do you understand the difference between Dr. Collins and a fundamentalist nut? Apparently not.
milesalpha1 7 months ago
This video should be embarrassing to all thinking Christians. What atheist would defend atheism by giving an extensive biography of another atheist, whose credentials he deemed particularly impressive?
jswerdel 7 months ago
JESUS SAID YOU CAN NOT SERVE TWO GODS YOU WILL LOVE ONE AND HATE THE OTHER FRANCIS COLLINGS IS IN NO WAY A CHRISTAIN AND HE IS NOT BORN AGAIN YOU CAN TELL BY LISTING TO HIM TALK . HE NEEDS JESUS AND HE NEEDS THE HOLY GHOST JESUS SAID HAVE NO LOVE FOR THIS WORLD NOR THE THINGS IN IT ,, FRANCIS COLLINGS HUGS THIS WORL AND LOVES IT MORE THEN HE DOES JESUS CHRIST . JESUS SAID DONT STORE UP RICHES ON EARTH WHO CARE HOW MANY DRGEES ONE HAS
stageboy01 7 months ago
Opening statement included the phrase "atheist fools". No need to listen to the rest you're obviously a weak minded bigot.
5paceship 7 months ago
@5paceship I feel the same thing to people who use words & phrases such as christfag, bible thumper, holy roller, church idiot, xian, fundie, christfool, christian idiot, christian fool, jesus freak, bible humper, nutjob, weak minded, and....(get ready for it)......bigot.
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stageboy01 7 months ago
@5paceship Said the strong minded non bigot
ansaz14 2 months ago
You really suck, Larry, addled by religion and brainless conservatism. You are an enemy of the people, a shill for the power brokers who LIE that the deficit is the fault of social programs when Clinton's record surplus was turned into a record deficit by eight years of irresponsible adventurism by Bush and the neocons! It sickens me to think what you and your fellow reptiles are willing to do to this country for your naked greed, and as Hitchens said it's a pity there's no hell for you to go to
hznfrst 7 months ago
The fact that Hitchens is seeking help from a Christian scientist (note the small 's', Christian Science as a proper noun is something I don't think Collins is involved in) seems irrelevant. I'm not a mechanic, so when my car breaks down I take it to one. If my mechanic is a Scientologist, does it lend credence to his or her argument for the stories of L Ron Hubbard?
Rissoleking 7 months ago 8
Dickhead
rosskren 7 months ago
9:10 "The harmony of science and faith" - what a beautiful euphemism! It subtly accepts that they are two entirely different beings. Would Collins say that there is a 'harmony' between science and biology? Of course not - biology is a science, not something that complements it. Yet at 3:02, he claims that his religion is a rational choice - no NOMA implied.
Rissoleking 7 months ago
0:54-9 Of course, and rightly so. There is a genuine contradiction between accepting science and religion simultaneously. Making the argument that atheists hold a view they don't express because they know they'll get rebuked is attacking a strawman. Nobody is saying that religious people can't be scientists. Playing the 'Collins Card' doesn't impress anyone or refute anything - Collins' religion is incompatible with the scientific process he uses in his work every day.
Rissoleking 7 months ago
This video, rather than offering a counter argument, highlights the very reason why science and religion are incompatible. Science starts off with a Null hypothesis. It then gathers evidence and then draws a conclusion. Religion starts with a conclusion and then attempts to destroy or invalidate any evidence that contradicts it. In the case of religious scientists, it`s fairly easy to see that religious scientists are not approaching the religious question from a scientific perspective.
MagicofAramis 7 months ago
God made man to have two half brains and two hands, etc. suggests God is willing to permit man to gain by a stereoscopic view of Idealism and Realism. So to have Science on one hand and Religion on the other, the man of Truth grasps the whole view of humanity and takes then a self evident meaning into all his inquiries. Foresight is based on Hindsight, what other sight is there ? We know that we feel, and then we feel that we know, is the only approach to truth that is rational.
CarmineFragione 7 months ago
Why would people dislike this video. it's just informing people when they claim that religion is idiotic and its for dumb people wrong...
samuellis 7 months ago
And lo and behold, it came to pass that sample were taken from healthy and tumor tissue, whose genome was sequenced in most expensive machines, the results correlated by the powerful mind known as a computer data base and matched to a known drug which is now administered by the priests of medicine.
Science. It works, bitches.
TomFynn 8 months ago
The fact that there are still Young Earth Creationists exemplifies this.
brandnubian69 8 months ago
As an atheist I truly believe however that science has and is the only way we further our knowledge of this world and universe and religion has only attempted to stifle this process through history. Whether it be against Copernicus, Galileo, Darwin, or Jane Goodall, all of their works were seen as detrimental by the church because it didn't conform with theological doctrine, whether it be truth or not. So I do feel religion is somewhat of an arbiter of ignorance among the masses.
brandnubian69 8 months ago
As Neil Degrasse Tyson states, "we are all related to each other biologically, the earth chemically, and the universe anatomically." This painting the Big Bang as something that truly is beautiful based on how you look at it. Beauty through randomness. I believe Francis Collins is a very good man. How he is helping Christopher Hitchens with his cancer. Their relationship really showing how theists and atheists should be able to talk to one another.
brandnubian69 8 months ago
Yes I am an atheist. And I do believe that there will probably always be religion in our society because there seems to be some "hole" in man that vies for the spiritual. As if now, science has not been able to capture this very well. Men such as Carl Sagan and now Neil Degrasse Tyson have used this spiritual approach and I believe it is something scientists need to use to their advantage. Science can truly be beautiful and spiritual.
brandnubian69 8 months ago
Brilliant men like Francis Collins can still be religious because religion appeals to the emotions of an individual. His reason plays no part in his acceptance of Christianity. His account of "finding God" was that he saw a frozen waterfall one day when he was hiking and was overwhelmed by its beauty. He knelt down and accepted Jesus as his savior right there. No reason there. It was sheer emotion that overtook him.
brandnubian69 8 months ago
Nice hate-speech video...
maflones 8 months ago
It's true that many atheists think that the religious are stupid - This always sets arguments off on the wrong foot. Most religious people are no more stupid than most atheists, no less arrogant either or close minded.
corksmusic1 8 months ago
elementary philosophy disproves religion--Science is completely unnecessary in this sense and actually, most of the time it is misrepresented, as it is here, and then put up as a straw man argument.
pawndominance1 8 months ago
I loved this video. I actually had to pause it a few times as it made me laugh so hard I almost couldn't breathe. The effectiveness of the parody is that if I didn't know better I'd swear it was really made by one of those imbecile religious nuts. Well done. Keep them coming.
davenielsen78 8 months ago
Exelent video
Americans athiests seem to be dissolosioned christians with a bone to pick
in Europe it is not the same,i remember at school in Scotland as a kid,
we had assembly and hym singing in the morning,we took in our strid
listen or do not listen no big deal from either side only thing was catholics had their own version
we never mixed....I have lived in a supposid catholic country for 25yrs
it never comes up ever
be cool
swinewarrior 9 months ago
A great video. Thanks for posting this.
The Biologos foundation that he founded is terrific.
Movies4Christ 9 months ago
@Movies4Christ Indeed. I'm an atheist, but I'm glad too see an organization full of christians that fully accept science.
Drgamedood 9 months ago
science is a profession, religion is a belief, they are different. being a scientist and religious means nothing, its like saying my playing tennis effects my atheism. most of science has NOTHING to do with religion AT ALL. there are people who go from atheist to religious and from religious to atheist, all in different fields of profession, its IRRELEVANT. if this is true why do a lot of main religious people accept evolution? UNTIL EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE IN GOD.
theUKatheist 9 months ago
Their religion had absolutely nothing to do with their scientific accomplishments.
Mgopro 9 months ago
He says science doesnt answer the question "Why are we here?" yea and christianity does? It comes down to the fact that religious people can't comprehend the fact that people can't comprehend all, so they naturally look for something to rationalize and give reason to these unanswerable questions. People do not have the answer to everything, but since we demand answers, or comfort with knowledge, we create the imaginery powers and then stop any research on it.. which is where scientists step in
ehpixL 9 months ago
i think it's unfair to use hitchen's trust of collins' medical expertise as an argument against atheism...
MrSpanky87 9 months ago
I find this video rather disingenuous, as it attempts to put the blame on the suggestion that science and religion is a dichotomy purely on the shoulders of atheists. It is clear to everyone that fundamentalist Christians and Muslims have, arguably, done more to vocalise this view than anyone else.
eosimias1 9 months ago
somehow, i don't think this dr francis collins decided he would have faith. it's not something you decide to have or not have or no longer have
GodsArePeopleToo 9 months ago
the fact that he is a medical researcher does not provide any support for the existence of "god".....it shows he can think scientifically but can allow himself to live a delusion AT THE SAME time......I have been a medical doctor for as long as Dr Collins.......
DrPhil1953 9 months ago
i could not understand till now why science in the usa is so wrong.. christain are predators.. by the time Im done everything this man of so called science will be sued for the lies and the deaths he' he's caused. im gonna good this jerk ..
geesjack 9 months ago
@geesjack wtf are you saying??
DrPhil1953 9 months ago
Francis Collings isnt a real Christian, he always puts science and reason before his religion, he would'nt of been able to complete his work on the Genome if that were untrue.
The same psychological pattern and answer seeking traits that allowed him to unlock the Genome, are the same traits that lead him to God, in an effort to answer the other questions that its not yet possible to explain. He doesnt believe in Intelligent Design because we already have the means to explain this.
JaydeeOldBoy 9 months ago 23
@JaydeeOldBoy well said,.,.,
MrMasoodrodman1 9 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy So he doesnt believe in intelligent design but he believes in the christian God and that he created the world..whats the difference?
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@JaydeeOldBoy can you define what a real Christian is?
seanstrnad 7 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy Francis Collins is a Christian.
FruKaos 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy I know you posted this a while ago, but to prove evolution to Christians, I use Francis Collins, and it works. His book I just suggest to them "The Language of God"
And I'm the most fervent atheist ever :)
iliveon 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy
"Francis Collings isnt a real Christian"?
And who are you to declare this?
Oh right you're a jaded nobody on the net who has the nerve to dictate who is a Christian when you don't even believe in God.
And you wonder why no one respects you.
ivlfounder 3 months ago
"Christopher Hitchens Gets Treatment From One The Leading Doctors in The World (according to the video)"
Stupid title.
Metalingus96 9 months ago
Science creates nothing Science didn't create DNA only discovered it
Science didn't create the human cell only discovered it. Didn't create
the atom, gravity, energy, the universe, planets etc .only discovered what
was created by the creator.
Wheelie9341 9 months ago
5:54 ff Did anyone catch on to the clue that Dr Collins is also a hand model during slow periods of his incredible work with genetics?
Bumblefoot69 9 months ago
---continuation from the previous post--
and on account of his dominion he is wont to be called "Lord God" or "Universal Ruler"The Supreme God is a Being eternal, infinite, and absolutely perfect.
Opposition to godliness is atheism in profession and idolatry in practice. Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors."
---Written by Sir Isaac Newton---
eaxpdt 9 months ago
@deffan84
Since you mentioned Newton here's what he had to say about God and gravity.
Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion. God governs all things and knows all that is or can be done.
This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent Being. This Being governs all things, not as the soul of the world, but as Lord over all;
eaxpdt 9 months ago
When collins says ".. those are clearly not scientific questions" I beg to differ. Its always like this, when you reach a point in the current understanding of "x" you just say "God" because back in the days, Gravity was also God, until Isaac Newton came along. Its probably always going to be like this. But eventually God will be that small unknown.
deffan84 9 months ago
Dr. Collins is really helpful here. He looks at the evidence, concludes the world is 100,000 years old. As he says, science is an exploration of the natural world and there are some questions science cannot answer. There is no conflict between Dr. Collins and the Atheist position here. What inflames the atheist debate, is when the religious person analyses the Bible, determines the world is 7000 years old and then declares the science to be fundamentally flawed.
CastrolJets 10 months ago
@CastrolJets This is hogwash! Dr. Collins has denied "Young Earth Creationism" and even intelligent design.
AWorldExposure 10 months ago 16
@AWorldExposure Did you read opening para? If so I have misunderstood your point.
CastrolJets 9 months ago
@AWorldExposure Could you do me a favor and change the title of this video to "Christopher Hitchens Gets Treatment From Francis Collins"? thanks.
Drgamedood 9 months ago
@CastrolJets Wow, are you really that stupid?
When did Collins believe the Earth is 100,000 years old?
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@CastrolJets Bullcrap!
maflones 8 months ago
@maflones Ooops! I meant humans are 100k rather than the world itself, my mistake. Not sure it changes my point though. Which was that Collins work in the Human Genome project points to the fact that humans have been around a lot longer than the world is said to have existed by the "Young Earth" creationists.
CastrolJets 8 months ago
@CastrolJets science is funamentally flawed? then how are you sitting on this computer ran by billions of transistors, communicating using electromagnetic radiation with at least 4 sattelites in space? science is fundamentally flawed? no. your just an ignorant sheep
NUGNESS123 7 months ago
@NUGNESS123
I loled
Reaperlastfm 7 months ago
@NUGNESS123 actually some atheists try to equivocate science to naturalism. The two are fundamentally different; the fundamental flaw is with naturalism rather than science.
ansaz14 6 months ago
@ansaz14 nice red herring fallacy. i didnt make that claim
NUGNESS123 6 months ago
@NUGNESS123 I was hoping to help you distignuish btwn science and naturalism. When you spoke of transistors e.t.c it seemed like you didn't.
ansaz14 5 months ago
@ansaz14 What you just said makes zero sense in response to what I said. it is extremely obvious the world is older than 100,000 years..... if you cant or do not want to accept that then you do not accept reality
NUGNESS123 6 months ago
@NUGNESS123 : Actually it isn't. I am assuming that you are already familiar with the weakness of Carbon 14 dating and you might want to look up the challenge of excess Argon with K/Ar dating. There is no planet btwn Earth and Mars is obvious; Genetic drift is obvious. Age of the earth is constantly being revised and is still contentious.
ansaz14 5 months ago
@NUGNESS123 Read my initial post again - apologize if you feel appropriate or continue to sling insults - your call.
CastrolJets 4 months ago
@CastrolJets: Young Earth creationists such as ourselves question the presuppositions of carbon dating not the following logic. It's based on deductive reasoning, so if the premise is true everything else is through. That is why philosophy has to be taught to scientists so they understand the reasoning behind the scientific method and what the weaknesses are. Tell what are the basic presuppositions of science? how do u know it isn't flawed?
ansaz14 6 months ago
@ansaz14 typo: everything else is true (not through)
ansaz14 6 months ago
Christopher Hitchens younger brother Peter Jonathan Hitchens (a former atheist), is a prominent Christian and believes that without faith and without strong families, the development of conscience is stunted, private life is diminished and the power of the state increased. That said, it is easy to understand the complacency and arrogance of the twisted mentality of those who refuse to acknowledge God to continue "Without Conscience" as reprobates into the underworld of perverseness/immorality.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@Acecool444
Please do explain how Atheism can be either complacent, arrogant or mentally twisted. Furthermore, could you also explain, using the reason and logic you have so clearly demonstrated thus far, why your petty and dick-like god kills millions of children each year for no apparent reason?
And also tell us why religionists dismiss these acts of mass slaughter as.....god working in 'mysterious' ways?
Stratahoovius 10 months ago
@Stratahoovius "why your petty and dick-like god kills millions of children each year for no apparent reason?"
Don't blame God, Blame Man, Starting with"GREED", Chemicals, Pollutants, Carcinogenic's and Hormones used in our food, water, air and soil.
And then you have the example of how Physicists, Biologists and Doctors see fit to wipe out nasty viruses, where in the Old Testament, should explain acts of God destroying the wicked. As he created life, so shall he destroy it!
Acecool444 10 months ago
@Stratahoovius Blame your Government for intervening in foreign lands due to greed (Halliburton), where as collateral damage starves, kills, maims thousands of innocent men woman & children. Blame those who support war and the laws of cause and effect, as in "We Reap What We Sow". Then you have perversion and immortality of a Godless Nation which explains the varied global catastrophe's in the last ten years alone than any other time in the history of man (Warnings), and it's going to get worse.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@Acecool444
You clearly believe in a god who is more than willing to indiscriminately and KILL anybody and everybody who defies him, people who are simply living out their lives and taking full advantage of the free will given to them by god..and then are punished! Why burden yourself with the idea that you have to grovel to and please a god of such ruthlessness. You would be surprised just how little you will recieve in the way of divine punishment if you choose not to believe!
Stratahoovius 9 months ago
@Stratahoovius
No different than obeying my loving parents house rules, immoral perverseness is wrong, not to steal, cheat, bear false witness/lie, have temper tantrums or manipulate others to get my way, fight and argue and use foul or belittling language, bullying, disrespect of others, do drugs, get drunk or treat my parents as if they didn't exist and warned of punishment and/or kicked out into the street, Yes, I'd listen and love them for it. I value life and the lives of others!
Acecool444 9 months ago
@Stratahoovius Just because a group of homosexuals were able to change the laws of Man doesn't make it right. Just as it isn't right to commit incest, sodomy, rape, bestiality, fornicate, murder, steal, violence acts upon others, racially discriminate, torture, kidnap, etc, take the life you've been given and destroy it by living recklessly and teaching others to do so, acquaint yourself as an animal to eat shit and die with no other purpose than to use or step on others to get ahead.
Acecool444 9 months ago
@Stratahoovius "Please do explain how Atheism can be either complacent, arrogant or mentally twisted/petty and dick-like god"
Anyone foolish enough to refer to God as you do, gives good clarity as to answer your own question, not to mention the individuals or families cursed (until repentance). Now add hatred and anger toward God undeserving out of ignorance.
For Hypocrite Christians: 1Corinthians 11: 24-30 Those who drink unworthily, why many are sick, lame and "sleep" (Death) amongst you.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@Stratahoovius "And also tell us why religionists dismiss these acts of mass slaughter as.....god working in 'mysterious' ways?"
Not all who perished who have not heard nor understood the Gospel of Christ will be Judged without being given a chance to redeem themselves. GOD IS LOVE and MERCY! More later!
In my view, living on this planet surrounded by evil, is not necessarily the GOOD LIFE God had in mind, therefore, find it a blessing to leave it. I am merely here to help try to save others.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@Stratahoovius As I previously commented "Not all who perished who have not heard nor understood the Gospel of Christ will be Judged without being given a chance to redeem themselves. GOD IS LOVE and MERCY!"
There are just not enough space to explain it all. I refer you to search:
"Bible Correspondence Course Lesson 21 Is This The Only Day Of Salvation?"
Also keep in mind, God is not the author of Confusion, Man Made Religion can also be false doctrine.
God will direct you through prayer.
Acecool444 10 months ago
Congratulations. It took you 9 minutes to state that Francis Collins is religious and he is also an evangelical christian. Hence science is compatible with science! What a brilliant argument. Let's apply this argument to christianity. The BTK strangler was an active christian and a serial killer. Hence being a serial killer is compatible with christianity. And you say atheist's arguments are childish.
buugiman78 10 months ago
DONT WATCH, ITS A RANDOM RANT. WE DONT HEAR C.HITCHENS HIMSELF.
JennaSmith987 10 months ago
I really like the video. But, Dr. Collins doesn’t seem to be a literalist. I don’t see how someone who believes a man can survive in the intestinal track of a whale can be rational or unbiased in their thinking. I do agree with your proposition about Hitchens. Religion does not poison everything but there are MAJOR problems with literalism.
2020pfw 10 months ago
Excrement!
MisappliedRhetoric 10 months ago
Feces!
MisappliedRhetoric 10 months ago
Ordure!
MisappliedRhetoric 10 months ago
Turd!
MisappliedRhetoric 10 months ago
Poop!
MisappliedRhetoric 10 months ago
Fart!
MisappliedRhetoric 10 months ago
Flatus!
MisappliedRhetoric 10 months ago
How do you love God with all your heart, mind, soul and all your strength when you can't even see him or speak to him? The answer is found in John 1, "In the beginning was the word, the word was with God, the word was God."
To know God's words is to get a better understanding of who and what God is. Allow no man to teach you, but let the spirit guide you. 1st John 2:27. Too many of us listen to man made organized religion (false doctrine) rather than the spirit to open your eyes. Peace Out!
Acecool444 10 months ago
It's nice to have your cake and eat it too, but to act like you are the center of the universe, where the good lives of others and/or their families are jeopardized by your greed, perversion, hatred, anger, jealousy, envy, murder, drug/alcohol abuse, etc, by pretending there is no God, also has it's reward. God does not threaten, but warns of these rewards, it's a wise man who listens. Trust and Love God, you will have a long healthy life.
To know God: John 1
For TRUE religion: James 1:27
Acecool444 10 months ago
@Acecool444 "it's nice to have your cake and eat it too" which is exactly what you are trying to do with your assertion that god answers prayers....but not if he doesn't want to.... That turns out to be exactly as reality would work without god,
hexum7 10 months ago
The one thing I do have is this! By my faith, I know that God answers the prayers of a righteous man, Isaiah 59:1-2, John 9:31, James 5:16
Should any of you ever felt that God does not answer your communicative prayer's therefore God couldn't exist, I strongly urge you to read the above scriptures. Also, because God IS Omniscient, he also knows the future, and will not answer your requests because it may lead you to your own destruction if you're not mentally and spiritually fit to receive it.
Acecool444 10 months ago
Am I better than you? No, I have the same typical problems many of you atheist also have. I have to fight to survive just like anybody else. But, I know this for a fact! Had it not been for God, I would have just been one more statistic in the populace of criminal activity. Lying, Stealing, Perversion, and all else that might hurt another person. We are ALL guilty in one way or another. And then there's the option for Life Eternal! Who in their right minds would throw that away? I BELIEVE IT100%
Acecool444 10 months ago
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@Acecool444 "Had it not been for God..., I would have just been..... Lying, Stealing, Perversion, and all else that might hurt another person"
clearly, you are a violent sociopath.So, I'm glad that you found something to put a damper on that problem. However, most people are able to control their baser instincts without relying on god.
If you can, let go of this fear of losing control..try to think rationally about the likelihood of god's existence
hexum7 10 months ago
Should you show respect toward one another without all the hatred, anger, sarcasm, insults, discombobulating confusion of twisting words around, putting words in my mouth, we can scientifically and philosophically stop wasting time and get to the heart of the matter. However! Ask stupid questions out of sarcasm, and I will either ignore you, or mirror back your absurdity. Should you stay on topic and learn a little respect, If there is a GOD, maybe then, You might hear some evidence.
Acecool444 10 months ago
Hitchens is thanking God for Dr. Collins. The Lord works in mysterious ways!
icimblind 10 months ago
What atheists don't understand is that god is real and that's science, and we can prove it, look around you, the world exists, therefore god exist. It's called logic atheists, suck it.
Laughingblades 10 months ago
Why do people use the fact that this specific doctor is religious, as a spiteful comeback to cure their butthurt-ness? It's not like this is the only doctor in the world that can perform the treatment, NOR does he know how to treat a person because of his religious view.
Cambrand 10 months ago
@hexum7 And of course, religion is separate from science- There is nothing scientific about religious beliefs. Atheists are not 'trying' to separate the two- they already are. Science is the study of how things occur. Religious has no say in explaining such matters- Learn about theology, or the world's religions. Religious beliefs merely state that a god or god did something or other- Never how that process occurred or was implemented by said gods. Two separate subjects
hexum7 10 months ago
@hexum7 Once again, displaying your lack of full understanding and proving complete ignorance, bias, hatred and anger. Nobody really cares what you think, other than to mirror back (from an outside perspective), just what a fool you really are. Your Delusions of Grandeur outweigh your true abilities of logical thought, common sense or any sense of rationality or wisdom. Sadly, You don't even reach the plateau of pseudo intellectual, let alone basic education (many spelling/grammar violations).
Acecool444 10 months ago
@Acecool444 Blah balh balh- childish name calling will not make your point any more rational- If you want to dispute what i have written, do so, but stupid assumptions about my alleged sense of grandeur (are you barking up the wrong tree) yadda yadda yadda, just don't cut it
hexum7 10 months ago
@hexum7 "you are apompous fool ,too stupid to realize that you are stupid. - Though you are highly adept at projection...playing the dullard...."
"Blah balh balh- childish name calling will not make your point any more rational- If you want to dispute what i have written, do so, but stupid assumptions about my alleged sense of grandeur (are you barking up the wrong tree) yadda yadda yadda, just don't cut it"
Add Hypocrite to your long list of problems.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@Acecool444 LOL I was aping your assertion that those who understood dawkins reasoning were pompous fools- or did you not understand what i meant by adept at projection? guess not
hexum7 10 months ago
@hexum7 @hexum7 "LOL I was aping your assertion that those who understood dawkins reasoning were pompous fools- or did you not understand what i meant by adept at projection? guess not"
"you are apompous fool ,too stupid to realize that you are stupid. - Though you are highly adept at projection"
More proof that Atheists revert to excuses, exaggeration and minimizing when corrected. Now add Liar to your ever growing list of problems.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@Acecool444 I wrote nothing angrily, pseudo-intellectually, or without rationality- You're sillly
hexum7 10 months ago
This is absurd- a doctor is also a christia , so that proves the two are compatble? a doctor or scientist can, and have been a ku klux klan member or a nazi- that doesn't signify that the those ideologies are rational or scientific- Try to use reason before making a ranting video which demonstrates nothing
hexum7 10 months ago
@hexum7 "This is absurd- a doctor is also a christia , so that proves the two are compatble? a doctor or scientist can, and have been a ku klux klan member or a nazi- that doesn't signify that the those ideologies are rational or scientific- Try to use reason before making a ranting video which demonstrates nothing"
You completely missed the point!! Atheists claim those who believe in God are delusional, yet it was a man of God who Christopher Hitchens chose to treat him. "Only Fools Rush In"
Acecool444 10 months ago