To those debating tounges: the Bible refers to the tounges as the people hearing it in each of thier languages. Also shown by the Bible, though, is that IF tounges are spoken in and truly GOD sent, there will ALWAYS be someone to interpret what the speaker is saying.
wow i was here to find myself lising to a good song but instead i get people bashing each other what is wrong with this world today god this world has gone to shit we all need to learn just to get along with each other and not try bashing each others skulls in with words over the internet thumbs this down if you want to i dont really care but i just hate seeing comments like this i had to speak my mind and i spoke it
@forCHRISTJESUS14 "He is the one that spoke the earth and universes into existence. what science consider 'the big bang theory' i say God called the explusion and arranged everything just as you see it." I say whatever made you is a joke. I'm just saying but people don't get on youtube to see people preach about their gods. What happened to just positive feedback on a good song/video. =)
soooo...last time i checked this page had a song on it...so why not just listen to it and stop bashing and making false assumptions about people just because they're atheists
Why does it matter if they're a Christian band or not? I'm atheist and I still think this is alright music. Just enjoy the song and keep your opinions to yourself before the trolls get you.
milbeast69 God has a question for you, is life a random mistake and meaningless? Truth be told, he's calling you to him and you know it. He's got the answers to your questions, so just ask him.
@lseals6 Life can still have plenty of meaning and still be created by a random occurrence. I'm atheist, and I still find meaning everywhere; in family, friends, fun, memories, etc.. I don't need a fairy-tale God to find meaning in this world.
@RainCards it's great that you feel that way... but you seem to never have experienced pain... real pain, you can't get through real pain with "memories and fun."
Yes you can. You don't know anything about what I've been through, but I can tell you that I've been through some extremely hard times and you can get through anything if you're strong
He is essencial saying He is the ultimate Peace in your hard times and even though your friends and family are good people to help you through your hard times, they are not the the true source of peace, Jesus is. Christians are to go though hard times, it helps us get closer to God and build perservance, its not always smooth my friend.
@forCHRISTJESUS14 I find true peace through myself and my friends. Everyone goes through hard times, and I prefer to find strength in myself rather than in a fairy-tale God. It gives me tons of self-confidence which is a great thing to have in life. Also, you failed to address all of the facts I presented.
@RainCards i have experienced real pain as well, emotional pain. i did not look to any substance to help ease the pain, for i know those things just would hurt me worse than help me. instead. Knowing and following God isn't as easy as you think: Jesus said himself "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."
everybody needs God, why do you think your athieist ? i mean why would you be fighting against an unreal deity ? it doesnt make sense doe someone to make a religion going against Christianity, why are you so against it ? what wrong has it done to you ?
@forCHRISTJESUS14 It's incredibly naive to believe that everyone needs a god. I know more atheist/agnostics than I do god-believers. I'm not fighting about an unreal deity, as that doesn't make any sense. I'm simply opposed to how the church survives by brainwashing children at a young age (most likely what happened to you) and dooming them to waste a lot of time in their life devoting themselves to a fairy-tale. It makes perfect sense to be opposed to the fiction that religions broadcast.
@RainCards no worries son, im not brainwashed at all, have you experienced God enough before you made those assumptions ? have you allowed God into your life enough to see that he is real ? God is real my friend. bash him, it doesnt change a thing. just hope you realize him soon
@RainCards haha this one is far from imaginary so and you cant get rid ofHim just because you dont believe in him my friend. we can both agree we are both brainwashed, but apparently you were led astray along time ago and now the idea is grown in you and you dont even fully grasp why its there. please explain yo me why you think God doesnt exist ?
@forCHRISTJESUS14 How was I brainwashed? My parents didn't put me in a church from birth, nor did they preach to me that God does not exist. They let me grow up and make a decision for myself; much unlike what I predict you went through, as I assume you were raised into a Christian family who taught you about god from birth. Why don't I believe in God? Because evolution is based on science that actually makes sense rather than a fairytale that makes little sense. ie Watch Stephen Hawking's movie
came up with the spontanuous generation theory, which stated that organisms just pop out from nothing, and it was proven wrong cause the flies, they found,layed the eggs for the maggots to grow. So, this experiment just proves that God is real. He is the one that spoke the earth and universes into existence. what science consider 'the big bang theory' i say God called the explusion and arranged everything just as you see it.
@forCHRISTJESUS14 I find it funny how little you think you know the slightest bit about what modern science hypothesizes. Through replicating prebiotic conditions, scientists found that large organic molecules (the building blocks for life) CAN spontaneously form, and if you concentrate those molecules, and if they're trapped in a membrane (lipid membranes can be formed by water containing lipids crashing into porous rock), then you have what's called the protocell.
@forCHRISTJESUS14 There is no experiment that proves god is real, and if you think that there is one, then you are naive and ignorant. I don't claim that the Miller Urey experiment PROVES that there is no god, but it provides strong evidence of how life could have started. Also, you obviously haven't researched the big bang theory very much. If you want to see how it makes sense (and it does, it makes a lot of sense) watch Stephen Hawking's video.
@RainCards wait so an explosion from nothing, just soo happens to cause all this matter, out of nothing ?? it doesnt make sense, how can nothing, absolutely nothing, cause an object to be formed. like the experiment a few scientists did to find where maggots were coming from after food was left out for awhile. they
?? i know God is real. he is shown alot on Sundays at my church, there is no wait to denounce his existence nooo matter what anyone thinks or says. i mean i know you believe that the devil is real, so then, if there is evil in this world, doesnt it make sense that good has to come from somewhere, and no you cant say it comes from humans cause we have bad in us, sooo the only explanation is God.
@RainCards can i asl. have you been to church before ? i mean i dont think you understand everything your saying. why would i fight for something that is unreal
@forCHRISTJESUS14 I think the same of you. I have been to churches, mosques; many more religious sanctuaries than most christians have been to. Why would you fight for something unreal? Simple; because you don't realize that it's in your imagination. You think it's real the same way a child would defend his imaginary friend. I can see that you won't be reasoned with, though, so I don't think I'll continue this. Cheers, as long as you're nice to others I don't think it matters what you believe in
just because you have been to church doesnt always constitute that you have experienced God, like almost every Sunday at my church God speaks through two people in the congregation: one speaks in tongues, which is a heavenly language that no human can understand
im not trying to bash but i thought (and i could be wrong) the tongues were a language that the speaker didnt know but was a real langauge on earth. that is what the bible says.
@courtneywhitlock The first time tongues were brought into play in this world were better shown in the book of Acts and were promised by Jesus through the Holy Spirit, who is part of God. The tongues are heavenly language no person in this world can decyfer them except for God. They are a different form of worshiping God and not knowing what your saying aha, but you know that it is all for the glory of God. so tongues are not earthly but Heavenly, of God.
@forCHRISTJESUS14 Read 1st Corinthians 12 and Acts 2. Speaking in tongues is a spiritual gift, and first shows up in the bible in Acts when the gospel is being communicated.
@punkchic4christ i agree with you.totally. I was wondering where @courtneywhitlock got the notion that it was a language on earth, which in some sense it is but i guess you can consider it a language that no one knows what "exactly" they are saying but know that they are praising God aha.
@forCHRISTJESUS14 Actually, that's not what I was saying. Each person heard the gospel in their own language. The people knew exactly what was being said.
@RainCards ,and through the other person God translates that unknown language into English. He speaks in an unknown language first to make known his presence in the church, then translates it to English for us to understand. have you heard of such a case in a church? i didnt mean to thumbs up you comment, accident
@forCHRISTJESUS14 "Tongues" are complete bullshit spoken by the mentally insane. Period. I'm done with replying to the nonsense you spew, so write whatever you want in response, but I won't reply to it. You're already over the edge and thus are a lost cause.
well , i don't care wether they're christians i just like their music I'll go to consert on 10th of april not becouse they're christians but i like their music
I miss them, I wish they were still together...it came as a shock to me when I found out, this is the first song I ever heard by them in '03 or '04--I don't remember=
holy shit they broke up? i hung out with them back in the day at the Mill in Toledo, Ohio, i remember they said they were only together 9 months before they got a record deal. they were one of the best bands i ever saw live, so much emotion and great showmen.
I Love Kids in the way...sadly though they are no longer together! May God bless them in whatever they are doing, as we the fans hold on to what used to be! LOL
DUDE THEY'RE CHRISTIAN??? AWESOME!!!!!!!!! I totally did not know that until I heard this song and listened to the lyrics. praise the Lord. this rocks :D
His voice has suchhhhh an amazing tone to it... it just makes me want to break down in tears when I hear this song... he sings it with such passion, and the lyrics... this is my favorite song, no doubt.
do u think u could tell me how to upload music ive been trying but evrytime i try it will upload it but it sayes faild ivalid file format so do u think u could tell me how?
To those debating tounges: the Bible refers to the tounges as the people hearing it in each of thier languages. Also shown by the Bible, though, is that IF tounges are spoken in and truly GOD sent, there will ALWAYS be someone to interpret what the speaker is saying.
Crossblood25 3 months ago
=]
Tryskal 8 months ago
my life is changing & christian music is my crutch ( :
amywamy07 1 year ago 2
wow i was here to find myself lising to a good song but instead i get people bashing each other what is wrong with this world today god this world has gone to shit we all need to learn just to get along with each other and not try bashing each others skulls in with words over the internet thumbs this down if you want to i dont really care but i just hate seeing comments like this i had to speak my mind and i spoke it
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@forCHRISTJESUS14 "He is the one that spoke the earth and universes into existence. what science consider 'the big bang theory' i say God called the explusion and arranged everything just as you see it." I say whatever made you is a joke. I'm just saying but people don't get on youtube to see people preach about their gods. What happened to just positive feedback on a good song/video. =)
xMonbearpigx 1 year ago
soooo...last time i checked this page had a song on it...so why not just listen to it and stop bashing and making false assumptions about people just because they're atheists
Ephesianz320 1 year ago
Why does it matter if they're a Christian band or not? I'm atheist and I still think this is alright music. Just enjoy the song and keep your opinions to yourself before the trolls get you.
asharathehailer 1 year ago
Here we go with the sappy comments........
IMBAD212 1 year ago
Honestly I think people should listen to more of this kind of music
mschocolatemonkey97 1 year ago
Great band and great song! :D
lizwiz010 1 year ago
milbeast69 God has a question for you, is life a random mistake and meaningless? Truth be told, he's calling you to him and you know it. He's got the answers to your questions, so just ask him.
lseals6 1 year ago 3
@lseals6 Life can still have plenty of meaning and still be created by a random occurrence. I'm atheist, and I still find meaning everywhere; in family, friends, fun, memories, etc.. I don't need a fairy-tale God to find meaning in this world.
RainCards 1 year ago
@RainCards it's great that you feel that way... but you seem to never have experienced pain... real pain, you can't get through real pain with "memories and fun."
Raechelified 1 year ago
@Raechelified
Yes you can. You don't know anything about what I've been through, but I can tell you that I've been through some extremely hard times and you can get through anything if you're strong
RainCards 1 year ago
He is essencial saying He is the ultimate Peace in your hard times and even though your friends and family are good people to help you through your hard times, they are not the the true source of peace, Jesus is. Christians are to go though hard times, it helps us get closer to God and build perservance, its not always smooth my friend.
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
@forCHRISTJESUS14 I find true peace through myself and my friends. Everyone goes through hard times, and I prefer to find strength in myself rather than in a fairy-tale God. It gives me tons of self-confidence which is a great thing to have in life. Also, you failed to address all of the facts I presented.
RainCards 1 year ago
@RainCards i have experienced real pain as well, emotional pain. i did not look to any substance to help ease the pain, for i know those things just would hurt me worse than help me. instead. Knowing and following God isn't as easy as you think: Jesus said himself "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
everybody needs God, why do you think your athieist ? i mean why would you be fighting against an unreal deity ? it doesnt make sense doe someone to make a religion going against Christianity, why are you so against it ? what wrong has it done to you ?
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
@forCHRISTJESUS14 It's incredibly naive to believe that everyone needs a god. I know more atheist/agnostics than I do god-believers. I'm not fighting about an unreal deity, as that doesn't make any sense. I'm simply opposed to how the church survives by brainwashing children at a young age (most likely what happened to you) and dooming them to waste a lot of time in their life devoting themselves to a fairy-tale. It makes perfect sense to be opposed to the fiction that religions broadcast.
RainCards 1 year ago
@RainCards no worries son, im not brainwashed at all, have you experienced God enough before you made those assumptions ? have you allowed God into your life enough to see that he is real ? God is real my friend. bash him, it doesnt change a thing. just hope you realize him soon
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
@forCHRISTJESUS14 I got over my imaginary friends when I was 5.
RainCards 1 year ago
@RainCards haha this one is far from imaginary so and you cant get rid ofHim just because you dont believe in him my friend. we can both agree we are both brainwashed, but apparently you were led astray along time ago and now the idea is grown in you and you dont even fully grasp why its there. please explain yo me why you think God doesnt exist ?
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
@forCHRISTJESUS14 How was I brainwashed? My parents didn't put me in a church from birth, nor did they preach to me that God does not exist. They let me grow up and make a decision for myself; much unlike what I predict you went through, as I assume you were raised into a Christian family who taught you about god from birth. Why don't I believe in God? Because evolution is based on science that actually makes sense rather than a fairytale that makes little sense. ie Watch Stephen Hawking's movie
RainCards 1 year ago
came up with the spontanuous generation theory, which stated that organisms just pop out from nothing, and it was proven wrong cause the flies, they found,layed the eggs for the maggots to grow. So, this experiment just proves that God is real. He is the one that spoke the earth and universes into existence. what science consider 'the big bang theory' i say God called the explusion and arranged everything just as you see it.
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
@forCHRISTJESUS14 I find it funny how little you think you know the slightest bit about what modern science hypothesizes. Through replicating prebiotic conditions, scientists found that large organic molecules (the building blocks for life) CAN spontaneously form, and if you concentrate those molecules, and if they're trapped in a membrane (lipid membranes can be formed by water containing lipids crashing into porous rock), then you have what's called the protocell.
RainCards 1 year ago
@forCHRISTJESUS14 There is no experiment that proves god is real, and if you think that there is one, then you are naive and ignorant. I don't claim that the Miller Urey experiment PROVES that there is no god, but it provides strong evidence of how life could have started. Also, you obviously haven't researched the big bang theory very much. If you want to see how it makes sense (and it does, it makes a lot of sense) watch Stephen Hawking's video.
RainCards 1 year ago
@RainCards wait so an explosion from nothing, just soo happens to cause all this matter, out of nothing ?? it doesnt make sense, how can nothing, absolutely nothing, cause an object to be formed. like the experiment a few scientists did to find where maggots were coming from after food was left out for awhile. they
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
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@forCHRISTJESUS14 *how little you know or *how much you think you know (either one)
RainCards 1 year ago
?? i know God is real. he is shown alot on Sundays at my church, there is no wait to denounce his existence nooo matter what anyone thinks or says. i mean i know you believe that the devil is real, so then, if there is evil in this world, doesnt it make sense that good has to come from somewhere, and no you cant say it comes from humans cause we have bad in us, sooo the only explanation is God.
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
@RainCards can i asl. have you been to church before ? i mean i dont think you understand everything your saying. why would i fight for something that is unreal
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
@forCHRISTJESUS14 I think the same of you. I have been to churches, mosques; many more religious sanctuaries than most christians have been to. Why would you fight for something unreal? Simple; because you don't realize that it's in your imagination. You think it's real the same way a child would defend his imaginary friend. I can see that you won't be reasoned with, though, so I don't think I'll continue this. Cheers, as long as you're nice to others I don't think it matters what you believe in
RainCards 1 year ago
@RainCards Hey, just let us belive, let us live our religion.
skaterskill123 1 year ago
@skaterskill123 I don't believe I'm stopping you from believing in your religion.
RainCards 1 year ago
@RainCards i agree with ur last opinion :)
"if your nice to others it doesnt matter what you believe in"
that's the way to argument dude, i respect this, simply because most others are a bunch of fuckin trolls
warmastah 1 year ago
@warmastah Thanks, I tried not to sound like one cause it doesn't get anybody anywhere :/
RainCards 1 year ago
just because you have been to church doesnt always constitute that you have experienced God, like almost every Sunday at my church God speaks through two people in the congregation: one speaks in tongues, which is a heavenly language that no human can understand
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
@forCHRISTJESUS14
im not trying to bash but i thought (and i could be wrong) the tongues were a language that the speaker didnt know but was a real langauge on earth. that is what the bible says.
courtneywhitlock 1 year ago
@courtneywhitlock The first time tongues were brought into play in this world were better shown in the book of Acts and were promised by Jesus through the Holy Spirit, who is part of God. The tongues are heavenly language no person in this world can decyfer them except for God. They are a different form of worshiping God and not knowing what your saying aha, but you know that it is all for the glory of God. so tongues are not earthly but Heavenly, of God.
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
@courtneywhitlock wait where in the Bible does it say that tongues are an earthy language ? T
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
@forCHRISTJESUS14 Read 1st Corinthians 12 and Acts 2. Speaking in tongues is a spiritual gift, and first shows up in the bible in Acts when the gospel is being communicated.
punkchic4christ 1 year ago
@punkchic4christ i agree with you.totally. I was wondering where @courtneywhitlock got the notion that it was a language on earth, which in some sense it is but i guess you can consider it a language that no one knows what "exactly" they are saying but know that they are praising God aha.
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
@forCHRISTJESUS14 Actually, that's not what I was saying. Each person heard the gospel in their own language. The people knew exactly what was being said.
punkchic4christ 1 year ago
@RainCards ,and through the other person God translates that unknown language into English. He speaks in an unknown language first to make known his presence in the church, then translates it to English for us to understand. have you heard of such a case in a church? i didnt mean to thumbs up you comment, accident
forCHRISTJESUS14 1 year ago
@forCHRISTJESUS14 "Tongues" are complete bullshit spoken by the mentally insane. Period. I'm done with replying to the nonsense you spew, so write whatever you want in response, but I won't reply to it. You're already over the edge and thus are a lost cause.
RainCards 1 year ago
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@RainCards If there were no God, there would be no Atheist.
forCHRISTJESUS14 8 months ago
I say best band ever I hope they never sperate ad if they did I hope they com bac a mak more songs!!!
DJimenez520 1 year ago 2
great song
EDGARISAIRAMIREZLOPE 1 year ago 2
really great song!!! and absolutly awesome band!!
vfbmanu 1 year ago
rock im rathaus^^
ScaryyMovie 1 year ago
amazing band today the were live in germany :D rock im rathaus :))
ebern bavaria ^^
ShishaFan1993 1 year ago
@ShishaFan1993 were you there?
Teen4thelight 1 year ago
Fuck this shit!! Religion is just another crutch!
milbeast69 1 year ago
@milbeast69 if you don't like it then don't listen to it. it's not that hard to do
mssarcasim 1 year ago
well , i don't care wether they're christians i just like their music I'll go to consert on 10th of april not becouse they're christians but i like their music
tneDEATH 1 year ago
this song is the best,i first heard this when my best friend had almost give up on God and i cried when i listened to it.
littlemissperfect33 1 year ago
This is just speachless
rAv3nXXX 2 years ago
is it true that KITW are Back??
engrios3 2 years ago
Sure is. :D
coffinbuilder 2 years ago 2
yeahh!!!! NEVER REfuse GOD!!! Hallelujah!!!!!
ROCK FOR HIM!!!!! AHAHAHA!!!! GOD BE WITH US!!!
AS IN PSALM"SING A NEW SONG TO THE LORD!!!!
AMEN!!!!
and i am an emo,, and
this is fashion for JESus. .
TheKey12345 2 years ago 6
@TheKey12345 Amen dude, Amen. d>.<b
FF5FAN4EVA 1 month ago
such powerful lyrics... :) He's alive in me today!
ForgottenFilly 2 years ago 4
i like tehm too but iam not sure if theyre real christians.
i saw them live and what the singer tried to preach was.... yeah... a little.. weak...
just about... we havo to love one another .. blah blah blah... nothing about jesus
busebaer 2 years ago
probably because he doesn't want to offend anyone whos not a christian...idk, but thats just the lead singer not the entire band
NoInnocentVictim93 2 years ago
being christian has nothing to do with preaching, im in a christian band, i would know, noone listens to preaching, hit them where it counts
LopakatheHylian 2 years ago
One of the most uplifting bands I listen to... pray they get back together :P
XodiOS 2 years ago 5
:)
God be withu us
FakeGoogle 2 years ago 3
I miss them, I wish they were still together...it came as a shock to me when I found out, this is the first song I ever heard by them in '03 or '04--I don't remember=
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patty777mayonaisse15 2 years ago
holy shit they broke up? i hung out with them back in the day at the Mill in Toledo, Ohio, i remember they said they were only together 9 months before they got a record deal. they were one of the best bands i ever saw live, so much emotion and great showmen.
KillFilmVol3 2 years ago
Yes, they did. I think last year. Never saw them live, but wish I did.
patty777mayonaisse15 2 years ago
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KimiNoYokan 3 years ago
I Love Kids in the way...sadly though they are no longer together! May God bless them in whatever they are doing, as we the fans hold on to what used to be! LOL
Love you guys!
brendaboops 3 years ago
DUDE THEY'RE CHRISTIAN??? AWESOME!!!!!!!!! I totally did not know that until I heard this song and listened to the lyrics. praise the Lord. this rocks :D
horsejumper0077 3 years ago 7
i want to say ths to all the atheists who call us a bunch of closed minded freaks! These guys were simply awesome, and they broke up. sucks!
bijoud20002002 3 years ago
Hallelujah!
xxReachOutxx 3 years ago 2
New Fave Song x)
SheLikesRock08 3 years ago
fiction is better God bless u
shushkebabs3 3 years ago
His voice has suchhhhh an amazing tone to it... it just makes me want to break down in tears when I hear this song... he sings it with such passion, and the lyrics... this is my favorite song, no doubt.
kaPOW1030 3 years ago 5
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simonrose2 3 years ago 17
i love this song ^.^ my first time hearing it even though i didnt know they were christian it doesnt matter were all whole
Snowpum18 3 years ago 4
<3
songs titled hallelujah seem christian to me :P
not really my cup of tea this song.. gna try another of their songs..
god bless
hoodedraider 3 years ago 2
try starfeild
nzge15 3 years ago
do you not know what hallelujah stands for?
patty777mayonaisse15 2 years ago
ya i do.. my post was a reply to another ^^
hoodedraider 2 years ago
it mean prase to the highest (Jesus)
MONKEYZ15456 2 years ago
Yea, I know.
patty777mayonaisse15 2 years ago
Yes they are a Christian band.
batheinsin187 3 years ago 3
iv met these guys there awsome guys to hang out with , and i wish i could see them again :[
There in my prayers
God bless
KyleRomance 3 years ago 3
are these guys like a christian band ... cuz if they are thats pretty awesome
kenny10101 3 years ago 4
whoa, this song is whoa!
in a good way. =pp
patrisha1984 3 years ago 4
absolutuely love the chorus
incendiapanthera 3 years ago 4
this is my favorite song of theirs... too bad it doesn't get more recognition.
nissa2005 3 years ago 4
love it
mpazies 4 years ago 3
I <3 this song
neohat02 4 years ago 2
lovely song=]]
xXChelsieJeanXx 4 years ago 3
put kids in the way in your heart, Pray for them.
duckkster 4 years ago 9
do u think u could tell me how to upload music ive been trying but evrytime i try it will upload it but it sayes faild ivalid file format so do u think u could tell me how?
punksk8er33 4 years ago
i love how this song is so christian evry time i listen to it it makes me feel so good to have God as my saviour.
punksk8er33 4 years ago 6
i cried when hearing this again!!! thank you tryskal! prob their best song
MacMontrose 4 years ago
WOW!!
bostonbruins008 4 years ago 2
omg i llloooovvve this song ima get the chorus inked to my rist some day. i looove it. =D
iluvkedley 4 years ago
awesome song!
bolotax 4 years ago 3
thnx u thnx u thnx for uploading!
fav song in the world!!!
prettyinpunk03 4 years ago 3
Love the song
lookingglass09 4 years ago 3