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  • i use dunn or foley as a meat shield seeing they cant die

  • The blood looks like juice

  • If these people are so poor how can they afford AK-47s with a laser dot sight

  • @micah9639 AKs are fucking cheap dude

  • You just lost yourself a viewer asshole. I can't stand your stupid sarcastic commentary.

  • what system is this for cause i am playing on PS3 but i cant tell right now

  • @LOZluva8 PC

  • The AK-47 is my fav gun, too!! Are we related?? :D

  • I'm with you Stalin, the war on Terrorism is fake, when 9-11 happened, America went for IRAQ not the TALIBAN, Saddam was a dictator, but had nothing in 9-11, I feel with Stalin, Americans should have went for who did it, not the one with the Oil.

  • @MrOttomanSultan hope that we get a leader that actually CARES about the problems here in america and not the goddamned oil, like OUR domestic terrorists which actually pose a much bigger threat than the taliban ever did we should withdraw our troops and take care of them, or else there will be a violent revolution and perhaps another civil war in America but i personally think the greater threat is NK because they are bigots and they will likely nuke us

  • @MrOttomanSultan It wasnt the taliban anyway

  • look,if you hate war and murder of innocent civilians so much,then why the hell did you name your profile JosephVStalin!?

  • Also, This game's campaign really does not make sense. I like patriotism as much as the next guy, but did they really have to make the most stereotypical enemies possible? I guess it's to appease the fanboys.

  • Notice how he is saying "we're really f***ing heroes." "We" is the key word. Everyone who considers themselves a part of a collective group (such as america) is entitled to their opinion.

  • @JosefVStalin seriously its just a game stop being a fucking retard your just angry because the enemy is russian lol ..... now where is the dislike button

  • The soldiers honestly believe they're doing the right thing. They just don't realize that they're being used.

  • Well america has killed its share of civilans but dont invade countries without good cause

  • i have played this game lts of tines and it is col the ganarl is the enemy

  • @purplepickle66 learn2spell

  • all you people out there saying us americans are pigs need to get their heads out of the grond my cousin recently got discharged from afgahn with a purple heart (he got shot in his upper torso) and he is scared by what the taliban do the fucking use chilldren and women as meat shields AND THE AMERICAN TROOPS are left standing there getting shot because they dont want to kill innocents.. the taliban killed 2 of my cousins closest friends with the tactics of human sheilds

  • @obmoder1

    Oh, your two cousins didn't wanna kill innocents, that justifies the unnecesary bombings of afghani villages. Sorry for ever questioning the war on terror

  • @JLAEBB you idiot his cousin didnt bomb a building so stfu and find a heart

  • @starODSTFAN

    That wasn't the point, the point I was tryig to make was that just because his cousin isn't a war criminal doesn't mean that the war is justifiable.

  • @JLAEBB maybe its better to not comment than leave one opposing the general public

  • is it me or at the end of the video those soldiers were wearing WW2 Wermacht helmets

  • I find what he has to say about the american army hilarious :') & I agree with most of it LOL. I love this guy <3

  • In Afganistan we kill taliban and dont try and kill inocent women and children we fight the taliban!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!

  • what have terrorist done to us? Ummm, they killed 3,000 of our civilians, the tried to kill the creators of south park, and the made 2 towers drop too the ground. think again before you talk. And look at your countries pathetic army.... 16,000 troops? hahhahah, wow. Even your country is in afghan!

  • @pijef It really doesn't matter how much bigger your army is than ours, it's better to be a nation of pussys than a nation of assholes.

  • @clonecomanderfox

    Pussies?better than assholes? Well, even though a Pussy can't stand up for itself, assholes are very arrogant fuckers!

  • @pijef Besides, "they" (meaning the Taliban and not every Aghani citizen) killed 3000 Americans, well 'we' (meaning both of us) have killed more of the than they have us.

  • @clonecomanderfox

    Yes, United states is great with payback. You wanna kill 3,000 innocent civilians? We will wipe out your country.

  • @pijef So, your admitting to supporting rabid genocides and imperialism?

  • dude... you really are some what bad at this game...

  • I think that game is crapppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!The new game Black Ops is much better!

  • If you dislike his commentary just mute this video or don't watch

  • The thing i dont understand about cod is that in the training missions there are civilians but in the other missions there isnt , apart from no russian.

  • Its a video game. theres no REASON why youre killing people, theyre just squishy things filled with ketchup that you shot for fun.

  • some one got bake up

  • omg your such a pussy oh why am i killin these people oh noo

  • yeah the millitary realy need to spend their time better than going to other countries and shooting random people

  • What are you using to recored MW2 cause i have the game for PC too...

  • @lgndmkr12 Fraps, I use Fraps to record my gameplay footage too, but be warned Fraps doesn't render the videos so they'll be 4GB

  • Wow you missed the intel right in your face at 9:31

  • Either way,you're a really derranged guy,man!

    -Your hero is Stalin!(Alright,and my hero is Hitler,does that make me cool?No,It makes me an idiot)

    -You hate the American Army because of MW2!You think ANYTHING in MW2 would be possible in real life?2 soldiers wiping out an entire base,russians INVADING USA because they are mourning the deaths of 300 people)

    -Communism was a great idea,but Lenin went too far,while Stalin transformed it into a regim of terror.And you like him!Ok,that makes sense!

  • @Th3PlatinumOne no he hates it because our goal right now are corrupt and we are massacaring hundred of thousands of civilians more so than the ones we lost in 9/11 and are there for oil

  • you seem to hate the american army because of this game... so do you hate scientists after playing half life? The game is fiction, get over it. People watch Let's Play's because they love the game, not to hear someone tear it apart.

  • Dude i like your humor but we dont kill to kill. We save. We smite the bad from earth and save cavillians. Not to kill just to kill.

  • im not into politics and all that stuff but its starting to get a little tiring of your ranting over your hatred for the american army.. can't you just find somewhere else like some forum or something to take your hate elsewhere geez

  • because its fun

  • i hate americas cops some people they may execute for crimes and later find out that they didn't do it or put sum1 in jail 4 30 years then r like we're sorry heres money no they should be 100% sure that people who they lock up or execute is guilty

  • We kill them because they tried to and have killed us, simple as that.

  • @SyCo888 And we have also killed them in the past, so if we can't forget and forgive why should they?

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  • @joaocemoura The taliban recently killed 6 aid workers from a group that was there since 1966 for no reason other than they were Christian. I don't think thats "forgiving".

  • @SyCo888 Yeah, they didn't, we didn't, so it's just going to be a giant bloodbath untill everyone dies, I really don't see any other way out of this.

  • we are killing them because of 911. if that did ant ha pan we would not have got in valved. and tarrerisom would spread and Thar goal is to kill as many ppl they can and. they kill civilians just be cause of there boleth. 

  • @ryanwweee Learn how to write before posting stuff like that.

    Now on topic, yes it's true Americans are fighting terrorism and I respect the Soldiers of the US Army that die fighting terrorism, but what you said is an hypocrisy, if you go and remember the past doings of western nations, can you really blame Muslim extemist for hating us so much?

    We killed them in the past and they're killing us now, so we could also say that if we hadn't hurt them in the past they would't hurt us now.

  • @ryanwweee i didnt understand anything you just said.

  • there still attacking us right so shut up about the army

    

  • oh screw you self-rightous prick

  • You really hate the us military

  • lol isnt that nice?the general says that you will brief you in the chopper and them the chopper start flying before you or the general get in it who dont love those chopper pilots isnt?

  • ok let me explain this this fucking war is ending up like the veitnam war is so lets pull out and stop trying to police the fuckin world

  • thumbs this up if american soldiers are douchebags

  • Your anti American Army shit is getting annoying you don't know the reason why a lot of people sign up to join the army? Were you alive during 9/11? There are Taliban and a lot of other terrorism groups over there that threaten our safety. Why even buy the game and make an LP if your going to complain about them being poor....eat a dick

  • @gwa56 dude he bought he game to do a lets play ok dont hate i though this countrys based on freedom to hate and what not

  • @gwa56 the 9/11 was like a big fuck you for america because the iraq guys get mad whem the US started the kuwait war and instead of supporting the iraq hat would be the right to do they supported kuwait so no he isnt wrong

  • Your a basically just stating wht most of the world see's of the U.S. Military. In war, bad things happen, innocents die. It has happened in every war and always will happen. The media though seems to love sharing with everyone all the terrible things the US does and none of our succeses. Also, attacked Iraq because they invaded Kuwait, Afhganistan because of 9/11.

  • @apm54 iraq invaded kuwait because the americans maked the iraq economy go in crisys and them saddam hussain didnt had any other opcion to get the economy back on track if not a war and instead of the americans support iraq that would be the right to do they supported kuwait and the reason why the 9/11 happens is because the US supported kuwait during the kuwait war

  • i love this game im buying it pon xbox 260 if i get one for my birthday XD

  • dude seriosly we have been at this crap scence 2001 9 f-ing years im fed up with it r government has to learn its not our fight

  • We are killing them because our fathers wanted to have a reason to steal the resources of the poor.

  • you are an arrogant punk you know

  • 1:24 the reason the American army is kiling does people is becuase terroists in Afghanistan are attempting to take control of the goverment in there country and control nuclear weapons to destroy us so we go in there to fight them otherwise they will destroy us

  • @1Historygenius do you still belive in that weapons of mass destrocion history?

  • @onsholo maybe depends on who your talking since this is a shared account

  • To fill in u'r awnser is that the americans got pist of by something like a airplane flying in a building.

    And they attack them but when the other country's (the Dutch) got in they helped the people there..

    So america is just an fighting beast not more.

  • We fight for freedom not just to kill.

  • @Theempirer123 what freedom?you killing them for a long time but still i dont see the peoples in any of those contrys get more happyer

  • is it just me or when he says "stay frosty" at 3:09 does he sound kind of sexual

  • shutup

  • something tells me you never heard about cover

  • well they bombed us have been for a long time and will again if we let them so thats why we fight them

  • @mrfuzzyboy100 no they dont bombed you but you are bombing them

  • fantastic its always played frequently during the holidays with my uncle he is totally awesome at it. I was lucky enough to get the game totally free for my ps3 from; 115 games . com there are literally thousands and they are all totally free oh btw 1:00 - 2:40 was striking

  • 2:15 to 2:18 that's what HE said, lol

  • is the game good

  • Awesome let's play, lame comments on the US army :/

    The people who kill and blow up innocent people are not solders of the US army... You are on you tube right? lookup what they think of YOU. lookup Hamas spokes person or Ahmadinajad's videos see what they want to do to your ass if they could get a hold of it. The US solders are between them and you! want them out of the way? good luck with that I won't stick around to find out.

  • Shut up the commentary is fucking hilarious. You're the worlds super power based on exploitation and domination, deal with the hate and mockery.

  • @Vercene um how bout we deal with the jealous of the worlds best military force in history that could role over most country's in a matter of days you want to insult us fine, freedom of speech is one of the greatest things in history but you know what humanity is war deal with it

  • @Vercene wer not the only super power china is one

  • hey where can i buy this game on xbox 360 in elk grove NOT RENT BUY plz anyone?

  • @Islamaghan Just order it online

  • Should I buy this game? It looks cool enough.

  • yes if you enjoy online play and great intense scenes of atmosphere.

  • seriously to all you people complaining over this video game about middle east and shit, GET OVER IT

    ITS JUST A VIDEO GAME FFS

  • Let me just correct you.

    Its is actually "The War on Terror".

  • People, he's not complaining about america (maybe a little) but he is mostly complaining on how the story of the game makes no sense

  • dude that was awsome i have played threw this game like 5 times i love and it is alot better wen u comment it is so funny but im not going to give u all the credet i am high as fuck so ya this took me 7 mins to type

  • Also you need to stop judging the American Army by a video game.

  • @FragInTheBox he jugde the america army be the real world and in the real world they invade another contrys for the most stupid reasons a man can think they kill innocent people and say that its the enemy that done that they make a shitload of fake propagands that the real world actually the own CoD is a american army propragand

  • @FragInTheBox But the army really Does that!

  • @FragInTheBox HEIL HITLAH!!!!!!!!! FUCK THE JEWS, LET'S KILL DEM AMERICANZ. DEY IZ NUKKAHS. I say this being an American myself. :3 Your army can SMD.

  • @FragInTheBox He's not judging them by a video game. He's joking around. While yes, he does actually dislike the American military, he's smart enough not to think that Call of Duty = Reality.

  • I came to here to watch a Let's Play, not you complaining about how you hate the American Army.

    American's in the army don't go rushing cities killing innocent civilians either. The reason we are over there fighting is because of terrorism, as the war is referred to as "The war on terrorism".

    I'm sure if a country had put your country in  a Red Zone state, your country wouldn't just sit there and do nothing.

    Either I don't understand your opinion, or you don't understand your own opinion. -

  • I think the point is that the war on terror can in no way be centralized into a single place seeing as terrorism exists even on our own soil. It would be foolish to ignore that fact. However as opposed to fixing our own domestic problems we're over spending on military campaigns that are currently unnecessary. Along with the fact that Obama is relaunching 30k troops, leaving a lot of local economies fluctuating terribly including where I live. It isnt a good idea, we arent fighting super powers.

  • @FragInTheBox you dont understand the world.

    america has just become to fat and stupid to think of any other solutions to a problem then to fuckin invade it and kill everything in it, declaring our own governmental system because it works so fuckin well for everyone else.

  • @FragInTheBox oww c'mon its all about oil and money dude

  • @FragInTheBox well if u dont think that u need to watch the film battle for haditha because thats wat the american army does

  • @FragInTheBox Technically he shuld be complaining about buscsh since he started the war.

  • @FragInTheBox wow "The war of terrorism" thats creative

  • @FragInTheBox the 9/11 was like a big fuck you for america because the iraq guys get mad whem the US started the kuwait war and instead of supporting the iraq hat would be the right to do they supported kuwait so no he isnt wrong and i can see why u are mad cus i lost a cousin and a grandpa in the war

  • Umm, aren't there supposed to be children in schools? Where are all the children this particular day. The Afghanistan re-building project in action. Providing schools that can be used as battlegrounds!

  • this guy is a total jackass to think this game sucks. and by jackass i mean stalin

  • i find it incredibly hypocritical to declare the the american army as atrocious murderers when you idolize Stalin, a man responsible for 10's of millions of deaths!

    on another note i enjoy your videos, keep it up! lol

  • thats just how this guy is.

    america bad!

    russia good!

  • @jonatancardoza you cant fault him for being realist and not blind be fake american propagands

  • Nice vid.

  • Don't think for a minute if those Muslim extremist over there had WMD's they wouldn't use it on America. They hate our country and our way of life and are willing to kill in order to advance their own extremist religious agenda. Even if most Americans have NOTHING to do with the US army being over there.

    Their ignorant and stupid like that.

  • "This game sucks.....KILLZONE 2 is THE BEST"

  • dude are you crazy or just plain stupid. as evey ps3 fan said. killzone 1 sucked before so what make you think we wanted more?

  • lol i bet later on he'll get why u kill them.

  • if we didnt have a war to keep everyone occupied at the moment everyone would most likely start turning they're guns toward the US. But because we show it as an act of patriotism for 911 it just looks like a retaliation to the small minded. Think about it. if we didn't have a war and had all our equipment in storage, gas prices wouldn't have gone up and companies would be fighting hand and claw for more money.

  • Can't find the comment, so, @RedvBlue2:

    First off, let's clear that the native genocide thing was a joke, but I understand how you could be offended. Secondly, natives in Canada and natives somewhere in California would have different cultures and different ideas on how to do things. So, this would effect feelings towards them.

  • and why do the americans fight the arabs because they want the oil they the arabs must die

    GOD I HATE USA

  • lol at 2:51 response XDD

  • 2:38 EAT SOME DEMOCRACY LOL but why are u ranting so bad?because there is no appearent reason to kill those guys?

  • what is it with the middle east and AK-47's

  • @aced1592 the russian gave the middle east ak 47s because they are cheap. so did the us and almost every other country because they wanted them to revolt

  • mw 2 felt like a extention of 1, so playing it for a hour i deleted it. it was just to similiar . there were some graphic improvements but really envoirment graphics disappointed me compared to crysis.

    also the lean keys are removed, because xbox users were jealous i guess

  • Dude!

    Crysis and MW2 are different. They both have common genre but they've developed differently. Crysis has nothing more than great graphics but MW2 has great single player, cool co-op and pretty cool multyplayer

  • My guess is they're... Iraqi... insurgents who somehow organized themselves into a force that has about as many men as Motor Rifle Regiment, minus the AK-74Ms, any sense of cohesion, tanks, tactics, training, something that could be considered a challenge for the US army, helicopters, artillery, heavy machine guns and anti aircraft batteries, etc etc etc

  • The reason why we're killing these people is because an FPS without a war is no fun.

  • I can see this is going to be a matter of some controversy (this LP), so while I'm going to abstain completely from political discussion, I have to say I agree with your negative comments about the game itself.

  • Josef...were killing these people because of 9/11, not only that but also the statues they bombed before 9/11. To act a little immature, they started it

  • lol "they started it" this isn't when a 6 year old steals a fucking snack pack from another student, it's young militants killing Americans. I think we should withdraw from the middle east and increase espionage to search for the Al Qaida leaders but thats just my opinion i could be wrong

  • Another brainwashed American who believes that it was Muslims who was responsible for 9/11 events.

    It wasn't Muslims, it was Bush who planned all this, you jerk, and if you want more facts about that watch Zeitgeist.

  • Yeah you know that for a fact.....

    Or you know nothing and are just spouting like most people do.

  • ok stalin sorry for sending you those hateful measseges but really iraq and afgan are not poor thats all t.v if they wanted to they could be the richs countrys in the world also you act as if amercains are lineing up people and killing them with fireing squads

  • I wonder why they are not as rich as they could be....? Oh ya, because we have invaded their country and killed their people. Fuck dude, put yourselves in their shoes, what if your country was invaded by a foreign nation? Sit back and take it, fuck no, you would fight, as would I, as would they. I'm not talking about this anymore, it makes me too emotional.

  • dude calm down i am not trying to make you mad i am just saying what i think plus i can think of other countrys that are just as bad as the u s a

  • ok hold on they are not rich cause before uncle sam and his army came they had people called dictators ruleing also if i remenber did they not attack our twin towers oh yea they did dude i am not trying to make you mad so forget it

  • They attacked us not just out of the blue for no apparent reason. Since medieval times (The Holy Crusades) the west has had its nose in the middle east. What they are doing is driving the infidel out of their lands.

  • @JosefVStalin

    I really don't understand how you're so upset about the enemies in this game, Stalin. What IW did was represent current events with the enemies. Who are the Americans fighting right now? Arabs. Who do you fight in the game? Arabs.

    I have to agree with a comment further down though. The hypocrisy present when you're fine with killing natives (you even say how you're racist towards a group of people who have been oppressed for centuries) and then how you do an about face when the

  • opponent is Arab is pretty shocking.

    I really don't understand what the difference is. The Americans came, and took the Native's land. They slaughtered them. You took part in a virtual slaughter and enjoyed it, going as far as to say gunning down natives with a gatling gun was one of the greatest moments in VG history.

    The Americans go in and take the Arab's land. You take part, and are disgusted. The hate in your voice when you talk about this is astounding. Similar issues, different times.

  • The opponent's ethnicity and the setting in which they are in has a direct effect on how you feel about this game.

    I hate to say it, because I love your LPs, and I really thought you were just joking about the whole native issue, but it almost seems as if you have a bit of a racist thing going on here.

    I don't mean to offend, just the difference in your tone with the different enemies was striking.

    Just tell me, what justifies the killing of virtual Natives anymore than virtual Arabs?

  • @ToastMuncher2 You know nothing about the iraqi war and why we went in there.(George Bush was a retard) We slaughtered them? there FUCKING insurgents shooting at us while we are trying to help THEIR country fend for itself . I would love fore US troops to come home because there lives are more important than helping thos ungrateful sons of bitches.

  • @Gmoney39513

    The US did not go in to Iraq to help that country defend itself.

    Read up on some history. The US had supported the Iraqi government with weapons and aid up until the first Gulf War. You know those chemical weapons he used to kill the Kurds? Where did they come from? America.

    Iraq was a fairly stable nation under Sadaam. Now, that doesn't excuse the fact that he was a terrible man, but he was a terrible man who was propped up by US assistance for a long time.

  • Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died in a pointless blunder of foreign policy.

    America is the invader here, and America is the one engaging in an unjust war. I can't remember the specifics, but in a number of polls, around 60% (I could be a bit off) of Iraqis support violence against US troops. Around 80-90% want your troops to leave.

    They never wanted you to come and "help" them out the way you've "helped" out so many other nations.

    You can't bomb people into democracy.

  • An article detailing US-Iraqi arms relations can be read in :

    "Democracy, Deception and the Arms Trade: The US, Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction" by Irene Gendzier.

    It's in the Middle East Report from spring 2005, pages 34-39. You can probably find it on your university's database if you go to school, or I'm sure it's somewhere on the internet.

  • Im sure you just made that up. Does a man killing thousands and invading neghboring countrys that are weak not call for something to be done?

    are you saying we should sit back and let tarrirists rule the middle east?

    America went in to free the iraq people and prevent some kind of huge war destroying the whole middle east.

  • @emprguy

    No, I did not just make it up. Here, from a Congressional hearing on October 27, 1992: "... dozens of United States firms, many holding United States export licenses, contributed directly to Iraq's ballistic missile and nuclear weapons program, let alone its chemical weapons." AND "[The Commerce Department] approved at least 220 export licenses for the Iraqi armed forces, major weapons complexes and enterprises identified by the CIA as diverting technology to weapons programs."

  • So... America was arming a man in order to prevent a "huge war destroying the whole middle east."? They propped him up, supplied him with arms, and were giving the guy billions of dollars simply so he wouldn't get buddy buddy with the Russians in the 80's.

    When he invaded Kuwait, the Americans invaded in order to keep the supply of oil going. They weren't protecting Kuwait, Kuwait was very anti-Israeli at the time, they were protecting their own interests.

  • was this by any chance when they were at war with iran? having a angrey dictattor isnt as bad as a angrey dictator that hates the western world with a major part of the worlds oil supply.

  • Yes, the US did support Iraq while they were at war with Iran.

    Does this excuse that at the time "during this time, pathogenic (meaning "disease producing"), toxigenic (meaning "poisonous"), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce.... Included in the approved sales are the following biological materials...: Bacillus Anthracis: anthrax...Clostridium Botulinum: a bacterial source of botulinum toxin..."

  • Histoplasma Capsulatum: a fungus affecting the lungs...Brucella Melitensis: a bacteria which can cause...damage to major organs...Clostridium Perfringens: a highly toxic bateria which causes gas gangrene."

    The US openly traded biological weapons with Iraq.

    And siding with one bad guy over another does not excuse what you were doing. And which angry dictator are you referring to? The one with a large part of the world's oil supply? Or the other one with a large part of the world's oil?

  • Admitidly alot of info was wrong about the weapons, but don't you watch the news? The people of iraq want the U.S. out of their country, and so do the U.S. people. But are we going to let those who already died die for nothing? If we left now do you think the iraqies could really handle everything by themselves? leaving now would be like telling soldiers families "You son/daughter was a good soldier, but it turns out they died for nothing"

  • when the first iraq elections took place thousands lined up to be able to vote. people were lined up for hours to vote, something that dosent happen often in america.

    the actual war is over. All thats left is to try and re-build the iraqies so they can take care of themselves. Once they can do that america will be happy to leave.

  • And your whole point about America going in to rescue these people from a terrible dictator... well, it's all wrong. America supports a number of extremely repressive regimes on this planet. Hell, they account for 42% of all weapons sales on the planet, around 60% of which go to poor, developing nations enveloped in violence.

    Why would you give arms to a man who is going to use them on his own citizens? To spread democracy?

  • thats because democracys are historicly weak. An example of this is the philipins (if im not mistaking them for some other pacific island).

    the only way to keep peace was for there to be a strong leader, which democracy failed to produce. For a while a military dictator served, and the country was stable. Then, he died of age, and the country fell back into decay and violince under democratic leadership.

  • the point i was trying to make is america probaly will not leave untill a stable democracy is set up. otherwise militia groups and tarriorists will likley take over, like whats going on in pakistan.

  • So wait, now you're arguing that democracies are historically weak, and the US went out of their way to set one up in an extremely volatile region? Please explain the reasoning of this to me, it just seems like you're grasping at straws now.

  • ok, what i meant was democracys can be weak while rather unestablished, and thats why the US is keeping troops there. The idea is let the democracy be able to form without being under attack from milita, and once it can take care of its self, and Only then, will the US be able to pull out and still have accomplished something.

  • So how long until Iraq's strong history of democracy takes hold?

  • I can not tell the future, and i wish it had already happened, but the insergents don't help. Also i have heard that the iraqi military/police aren't really that effect, and i saw a video (a few years ago) where a gun fight broke out and the iraqi security gaurds actually ran away.

    the real answer is only time will tell

  • @emprguy

    "The Insurgents don't help."

    Let me ask you something.

    Let's say you weren't born in the US. You're an Iraqi male, around age 19. Your brother and mother are killed in a US air raid, and your other brother is rounded up and never heard from again. You're alone. This is all because of the American invasion.

    These people are foreign, and have declared a war on a number of Muslim states. Other Muslims have risen up, and are fighting the invaders. What do you do?

  • listen, the air raids were not unexpected. people went and hid in shelters. Also family members getting rounded up was happining long before the americans got involved.

    the fight wasnt about religion, although i suppose a good propagandist would make it about religion.

    also your assuming almost everybody is apperantly an insurgent, while the reality is they make up the minority. they are still way too many, but most iraqies are not insurgents.