Amazing that this song is an amazing song but in the same way it is a rant about some DT fans and how ungrateful they are. Well Dream Theater, I do enjoy the musical orgasms you provide me every day.
@winrar88 you are one seriously stupid, annoying bitch. You really think that you are so mature if you use complicated words and call everyone teenager, andtelling them to die, come on, a mature person doesnt do stuff like this.OH and I even saw your comment,in which you wrote "oh so you came back from under ya rock" or something like that, nevermind.... So, you are watching @RaidenOfDarkness until he responds, you must be the kid, not him,and, PLEEZ dont tell people 2 die cuz its fking unmature
@NaruHB because this song is inspired by muse during the absolution era. mike loved it. if you know muse good enough, you'll hear similarities between muse's style and this song. but i understand you may find it a bit strange hear a bit too much about muse, and a bit too little about dt here :P
@bassmanjoe Exactly. Muse is really quite terrible. It it weren't for Twilight and Hot topic (shudder!) they would be 100% irrelevant. Instead, they're relevant only to the most douchy 1%!
@CuriousComposer But Lady Gaga and Dream Theater sound nothing alike... hahaha! There are a few songs that sound similar to Muse that are by Dream Theater. It's an influence thing... It's gonna happen. :)
@CuriousComposer But Lady Gaga and Dream Theater sound nothing alike... hahaha! There are a few songs that sound similar to Muse that are by Dream Theater. It's an influence thing... It's gonna happen. :)
@CuriousComposer But Lady Gaga and Dream Theater sound nothing alike... hahaha! There are a few songs that sound similar to Muse that are by Dream Theater. It's an influence thing... It's gonna happen. :)
I actually feel that this is more similar to Hysteria than Stockholm Syndrome... Its in the Exact same scale shape and has identical rhythm. The first notes sound the same too, just different keys
@progrockkeyboardist Oh yes!!! I just hate 4/4 so much that I wanna punch babies!! It's a huge problem for me!! Let's fight about it like the 2 million other people on Youtube!! **Insert Sarcasm here**. It's a joke, calm down.
This song reminds me of Stockholm Syndrome. Stockholm Syndrome is my favorite Muse song. Glad to hear another song similar to it! Now that I think about it, this album does seem somewhat like Absolution but different. Absolution is my favorite Muse album, too, so this is a good thing! :D
This song, and Prophets Of War, are Muse influenced. You can hear it in the instrumentation. I love Muse and Dream Theater so I'm definitely not complaining! :)
All of you are just a bunch of trolling assholes, Can't you guys just stfu and listen to the fucking music, even dislike it if your a hater GET THE FUCK OUT IF YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH IT!
@tropsnaj Come on...really? I like Muse too, but these two bands are vey diferent. Of course, when I think of DT, I don't imagine only Octavarium, but the entire discography. For me, Dream Theater is ... unique.
how bout you all STFU, if ur so good or know so much go make your own damn music! or better yet STFU and enjoy the music, since you obviously cant and wont and all you are is a bunch of talking shit heads. kinda like a sunday school teacher, go try that out for a profession if you like bitching about random shit u know nothing about.
@Foop7 I'd sure like to know how Muse enters into a Dream Theater song. Muse is, for the most part, a talentless group. Can't really compare them to Dream Theater at all, and trying to would be a losing battle for Muse.
@AventhLomicien i am sure when a band becomes influence for another band has to have something special, so Muse can not be talentless to inspire Dream theater. Have you heard songs like space demntia or citizen erase or ruled by secrecy or take a bow.. This songs can;t be written by a talentless guy. They are both great and talented bands with lot potential. i am glad that mike portnoy is openminded.
@Djfusio666 Yes yes yes yes! Being openminded is probably one of the best things for a music fan to be! It's also always good to be reminded that musicians are just as open minded, they have to be otherwise I'm sure their inspiration would run dry...
It's just a sad thing to see 'music fans' flat out denying the talent of a band just because the music the band write write isn't to their taste. If only we could all be as openminded towards music.
@mohawkgarry yes i agree we should not criticise other for listening sth. We can say muse is better or dream theater is like comparing different things, differnet genres and totally different sound. I understand when someone says i do not like muse but when he says muse sucks or they are talentless group, i know that he have not listen any muse songs. I know muse have commercial songs like neutron star but you have t sell your soul to become famous know or succeed in America
Also, as far as this stupid bickering about Muse... who says this is a ripoff? What if DT were simply inspired by Muse? It's known that while DT records albums they listen to other music that influences them. In one video I even saw it say "Muse riff" on one of their song-sheets (might've been for Stream of Consciousness). Every artist's music is essentially a combination of all the other artists' music that THEY'VE enjoyed.
Me as a big big BIG fan of Muse in all of their albums and songs I must say that, yeah it sounds like them but well, there a lot of songs anywhere that sound like from another band. I accept that when I hear this the first thing I thought was "Stockholm Syndrome" and for a DT fan if hears it the first thing he will hear will be "Never Enough"... No band wats to rip any band's song, that's for sure...ROCK MUSE AND DT!!!!! (and A7X, but that's appart xD)
People comparing Dream Theater to Muse is like comparing Jesus to a hobo, Muse like the hobo would happily be payed to get analy raped by the other, in awe.
@nokroblosho mature comment kid we all like diffrent kind of music so grow up and stop posting retarded comments on youtube and oh btw no one is comparing them so stfu kid
To clarify on this drama, on who ripped on who, no one did.
You see, Mike Portnoy wrote a list of his 10 favourite albums released in 2004 in which he included Absolution as the first on the list. Next to it, he wrote "(technically this is a 2003 release - but it is hands down my favorite CD of the year and probably the decade as well!)"
Dream Theater was influenced by Muse's Absolution so much, that songs like this and panic attack was a honorable token to Muse. No ripping of, just influence.
tal vez se vieron influenciados por el disco pero definitivamente este disco es de gente mucho mas experimentada, estudiada y sin lugar a dudas técnicamente mejor
@seco914 In my own personal opinion, Muse is my all time favorite band, because it's them i hear all the time. But i won't deny, that Dream Theater are in many ways, technically better then Muse.
Because of that. The day i found out, how a band like DT, where so influenced by Muse, it made me every so much happy.
Sadly, i only got the newest Dream Theather album, but i hope to find this album one day. :)
That should be no surprise at all. Muse are a very respected band amongst other musicians. They have been praised by much more famous and respectable artists than Dream Theater. Brian May of Queen is a very huge fan of Muse's work for example.
Just so every one knows DT started in 1985 when Muse started in 1994, so stop saying stupid shit like "DT ripped off Muse" or "Muse ripped off DT" as flyingmanforfun said, you guys are retards and for the record Muse was inspired by DT so without DT you guys wouldn't have Muse
@flyingmanforfun yes they were. it's on the list of inspirations on one of the band members site, i forgot who. but i remember seeing it a while ago. does that mean you don't know what you're talking about? irony..
Go and redo your homework, kid. Try to find a single quote where any member of Muse even MENTIONS Dream Theater. Can you do that for me? Cause I can show you a couple of quotes where Mike Portnoy talk about Muse like an impressed fanboy.
@winrar88 Mike Portnoy is an amazing drummer but he is also dumb ass. And there are a few documentaries that Muse has said that they were inspired by bands such as DT, Iron Maiden, B.O.C, and other amazing bands
Your opinion of Mike Portnoy is of no relevance here. I just want to see at least one direct quotation of ANYONE from Muse even mentioning this ridiculous band. That's all I asked for here, dude. It shouldn't be that hard if they're so "inspired" by them as you mentioned. Try backing your claims up.
@winrar88 Ridiculous? This band is 20x better than Muse who is a knock off peice of shit band that only wishes that they could be any where near DT's level
@winrar88 And on top of that Muse is in the music business or he money, the sex and the fame. They are a fucking joke band that doesn't deserve the fame
@winrar88 And on top of that Muse is in the music business or he money, the sex and the fame. They are a fucking joke band that doesn't deserve the fame
Of course they're in it for the money. The same with any POP musician group, including this silly band called Dream Theater. Except they can only dream and wish to have even a fraction of the success and fame of Muse. No wonder Mike Portnoy gave up this pathetic group to chase after Avenged Sevenfold. Too bad those guys kicked that loser out in the end..lol
And you have to learn something here. MONEY is what makes this world go round...that and sex of course. Now maybe when you move out of your parents home to live by yourself with no one to pay for those video-games you play, then you will realize how imporant money is.
@winrar88 HA! You take me as some little brat. Dude money is what corrupts the world and turns every body into incompetent, immature, jack asses such as yourself. Sex is one thing this world can do with out as well considering we have way to many people in the world. And who said I played video games? And money is only important because its how we organize trade and business. Without that we would have to find a new way to do trade. And because our government is full of corrupt bastards.
lol So you finally decided to come out from hiding in your basement. I can't believe it took you that long to make such a weak meandering responce. What a bunch of nonsensical leftist garbage you are spewing here. If you really believe this earth is so overpulated, then maybe you should help out by ending your worthless existence. This planet really doesn't need such feeble minded cretins like you infesting it.
Try finishing that little thought process before you even reply to me. If you're not capable of elaborating beyond one fragmented sentence, don't even bother responding here. It's best you just scamper off like this other fool before it's too late.
@winrar88 Telling someone to commit suicide is stupid beyond belief, and you should burn in hell for even thinking it. If you think this world is great and perfect then by all means go live your life like theres nothing wrong. Until you realize that the world we live in has gone to hell, your always going to have this one track mind that makes you think "Oh we have a great world" or "Its such a great day to be alive" or some other bull shit.
Hey moron, that was only my kind suggestion. I'm not "telling" you to go ahead and kill yourself but merely to consider it. Since of course this world is not perfect with so many retards like you taking up space and oxygen. The least you can do is help out abit by ending your insignificant life, and finally leave your made up "hell" already. There will be just one less annoying teenage malcontent whining over nothing. Good riddance!
Now try getting back on topic. Don't think you can just skirt around here like a bitch. Go prove your claims about the DT influence, or just concede you were wrong and move on. Then you can go back to hiding in your basement and I wont disturb you.
@winrar88 My house doesn't have a basement. And if you have ever seen a Muse documentary then you would know that they were influenced by DT. And you? Disturb me? I really doubt you could do that.
Anyone here can do a quick youtube or google search and find DT are huge Muse aficionados. It is that fucking easy to verify. Yet, it's the exact opposite in reverse. Why is it so damn hard to find Muse even uttering the words "Dream Theater" in any interview? Why is that info. hidden in some obscure documentary you can't even name? Those are not rhetorical questions by the way. Try answering them with whatever limited brain capacity you have.
I have been following the debate between you two and i have to say that winrar88 is winnig big :). You said that Muse is doing music for sex and money and fame. Of course they are. So are DT and other big bands. Music isn't a hobby for these guys, it's serious work wich they enjoy doing and they want to get pais for it. I think DT isn't stealing riffs and songs from other bands. Maybe it's influence or respect or something like that. Good band and song anyways.
@Lateezz Dt actually does this because they enjoy playing the music and doing to for their fans, bands like Muse, Metallica, Dethklok and other bands do it for the fame and could care less about the fans. And you do have a point on the respect part, cause bands like Avenged Sevenfold covered 2 great songs from 2 great bands out of respect for the band and that they also inspired them. And I agree with your last sentence
One thing, alot of people say that this is a "simpler song" when in my eyes, it has just as much feeling as their other songs, also, I think that a song should be complex from the feeling, no the length or whatever the people are saying that has them say that it's simple.
According to Blabbermouth Dream Theater drummer Mike Portnoy recently revealed his ten favorite albums to Amazon. They are as follows (in chronological order): 1. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 2. The Who - Tommy 3. David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust 4. Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road 5. Pink Floyd - The Wall 6. The Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique 7. Mr. Bungle - Mr. Bungle 8. Jellyfish - Spilt Milk 9. Radiohead - OK Computer 10. Muse - Absolution
And he used to give an interview about Muse's Absolution (2003) album is one of his favorite albums. And also "Stockholm Syndrome" is a very good song, and he really likes it.
As a result, it's hard for me to believe it, but we cannot deny this fact that MP copied the Muse's song (Stockholm Syndrome).
@drummerexpress muse are a fabulous band. If I'm being honest Probs my favourite. Muse haven't made Amy mistakes. All there songs and albums are perfect whereas dream theater have had some experiments tht haven't worked out. Ur right they ain't comparable but because muse r way better altho dream theatre r a great band
@matinx64 You mean Stockholm Syndrom sounds the same... This song is far older! But Muse's song is a great song and Muse was a great band before they decided to do commercial music. :s
@gapmatt2208 Stockholm Syndrome was released along with "Absolution" in 2003. So this song is not older. Mike Portnoy also cited Absolution as one of the albums DT had listened to most while on tour, so this song is really inspired by Muse.
when did this come out? 2006? muse released absolution 2003 so any 1 sayin muse ripped dt of are retarded any 1 sayin dt ripped of muse are retard its called being inspired and stop comparing 2 awesome bands its starting to piss me of when kids who know nothings start sayin that any of these bands suck seriusly grow up!
Nobody ripped anybody off. Muse makes their music, and DT makes their own music. DT specifically said that they took inspiration from Muse for this album. Musicians do that sometimes; when they find a sound they like they will run with it. Besides, this was almost exclusively a one-time thing. Since this album they went in a very different direction, more towards what could possibly (in part) be considered as modern psychedelic music.
@flyingmanforfun scuse me men but muse and dream theater are not two awesome band! Dream Theater is an awesome band and is way better than muse! You cannot compare them
@flyingmanforfun its very possible that Muse went forward in time to discover this song which inspired absolution, so they went back and made it and then DT heard it and the album inspired this song. thats what likely happened.
@flyingmanforfun I can't remember where I have watched it but Mike Portnoy has mentioned this he is a big fun of MUSE. And that's a big reason of my love about Mike, he never rejected the point of being fan of another band. Older or newer one....!
@flyingmanforfun I do think it sounds very similar though, haha when I was listening to this I was like, wow this is pretty awesome, kind of reminds me of the awesomeness of Muse's Absolution album, then I saw your comment.
@flyingmanforfun If you want to call other people on the internet children, write like an adult. Otherwise, I agree whole-heartedly with your statement.
@Jarstlord: DT has "You Not Me". Does this mean DT sucks too? // Anyone could have a bad, uninspired day, you know. Let us remember DT and Muse for great epics like Six Degrees and Exogenesis, respectively.
@progrockkeyboardist I guess you didn't get me. I love all Muse's songs, including Supermassive Black Hole. It was a pun because a supermassive black hole absorbs all energy near it. Thus, a supermassive black hole sucks. I was talking about the term, not the song (I spelled my previous comment the right way). DT is great, Muse is great ;)
yeah, it sounds like Muse, so what? I am a HUGE fan of Muse, my favorite album is Absolution, sure this song is influenced by Muse. I really like this song :P
Who else thinks that the drum intro is fucking baddass. And STOP bitching about muse in case you haven't read properly it's written Dream Theater, NOT MUSE. So stop trolling us about Muse
who cares if its copied or not, bottom line is that its simply eargasmic.
lets just all sit back and enjoy the music.
iWANNABEGRIZZ 17 hours ago
good muse song
TheFrostchild 2 days ago
@TheFrostchild no its actually done by dream theater
cmhonsu33 2 days ago
@cmhonsu33 known..but it was a joke.. but still interesting who copied who
TheFrostchild 2 days ago
@TheFrostchild acaully i dont know! i think dream theater might of copied but i dont care
cmhonsu33 2 days ago
some respect for Dream Theater, hater, try to play like him and come back to me.
EthikCorporation 5 days ago
one m0:00re time !!
cmhonsu33 6 days ago
7 people put the knife in wrong :/
ClarenceTrillinger 1 week ago
Amazing that this song is an amazing song but in the same way it is a rant about some DT fans and how ungrateful they are. Well Dream Theater, I do enjoy the musical orgasms you provide me every day.
poupouwashi1 1 week ago
What did my ears just hear, cause that was the most awesome music, oh yeah and why are you arguing about MUSE in a Dream Theater song.
MetalLoverf 2 weeks ago
@winrar88 you are one seriously stupid, annoying bitch. You really think that you are so mature if you use complicated words and call everyone teenager, andtelling them to die, come on, a mature person doesnt do stuff like this.OH and I even saw your comment,in which you wrote "oh so you came back from under ya rock" or something like that, nevermind.... So, you are watching @RaidenOfDarkness until he responds, you must be the kid, not him,and, PLEEZ dont tell people 2 die cuz its fking unmature
LOLSHITteamofficial 3 weeks ago
And I am not fucking curious for any of your comebacks, so please "mature" sir, dont bother writing here.
LOLSHITteamofficial 3 weeks ago
Oh! GOD! nice song!!
PD: Dream Theater and Muse; the best bands in the fucking whole UNIVERSE!
MuserCesped 3 weeks ago 3
Dream Theater kicks ass, Muse kicks ass...get over it and enjoy the music people!!!
drumgy8 1 month ago 2
@drumgy8 DT sucks overindulgent balls ..
snaredrum110 4 weeks ago
@snaredrum110 To each his own dude. I think they're pretty rad.
drumgy8 3 weeks ago
Why is peoples evening mentioning Muse in here? Shit yourself and listen to the music.
NaruHB 1 month ago
@NaruHB because this song is inspired by muse during the absolution era. mike loved it. if you know muse good enough, you'll hear similarities between muse's style and this song. but i understand you may find it a bit strange hear a bit too much about muse, and a bit too little about dt here :P
Jarstlord 1 month ago
@Jarstlord Now when you say it, yes there is similarities between them
NaruHB 1 month ago
@NaruHB who's muse ?
lsmartin96 1 month ago
@lsmartin96 A nice band
NaruHB 1 month ago
@lsmartin96 one of the best bands of the world, search it!
MuserCesped 3 weeks ago
Who cares about Muse. this is Dream Theater here.
bassmanjoe 1 month ago
@bassmanjoe Exactly. Muse is really quite terrible. It it weren't for Twilight and Hot topic (shudder!) they would be 100% irrelevant. Instead, they're relevant only to the most douchy 1%!
NukeGlendale 1 month ago
@NukeGlendale It's all a matter of opinion, if you don't like them just ignore them. Dream Theater is amazing, Muse is amazing (in my opinion).
ra13333 1 month ago
@NukeGlendale it's honestly unfortunate that they turned out to be that kind of band, muse was pretty decent prior to the twilight shit.
MudTide1993 1 month ago
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bassmanjoe 1 month ago
Intro is sick
darkarrow7101 1 month ago
Why did the MUSE Theater song have to leave us? Great comparison of two great bands.
travis12131415 1 month ago
why is everyone talking about muse just shut up and listen.
kjsoccerronaldo10 2 months ago
For 6 people, everything is never enough..
147pablox 2 months ago
How about we all just shut up? You don't compare Lady Gaga to Dream theater, so leave Muse out of this and listen to the darn song. :P
CuriousComposer 2 months ago
@CuriousComposer But Lady Gaga and Dream Theater sound nothing alike... hahaha! There are a few songs that sound similar to Muse that are by Dream Theater. It's an influence thing... It's gonna happen. :)
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@CuriousComposer But Lady Gaga and Dream Theater sound nothing alike... hahaha! There are a few songs that sound similar to Muse that are by Dream Theater. It's an influence thing... It's gonna happen. :)
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@CuriousComposer But Lady Gaga and Dream Theater sound nothing alike... hahaha! There are a few songs that sound similar to Muse that are by Dream Theater. It's an influence thing... It's gonna happen. :)
qtipbluedog 1 month ago
Lot's of bands are inspired by Muse. Thomas Giles from Between the Buried and Me loves them too. Listen to Backwards Marathon ;)
Robertpianosax 2 months ago
i know DT first.. then muse... but i just love both..coz they are billiant in musics.. not like some artist starts with J.. u know who i mean
hikazumaru 2 months ago
why so many haters of muse? muse is amazing
InfamousTrapper25 2 months ago 63
@InfamousTrapper25 Muse is indeed an awesome band, Dream Theater is just x10^100 better :D
nanoload 2 months ago
@InfamousTrapper25 I don't always listen to progressive rock
but when I do I prefer Dream Theater.
6dhampyr6castle6 1 month ago 35
@6dhampyr6castle6 same haha
InfamousTrapper25 1 month ago
@6dhampyr6castle6 what does that have to do with my comment....
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@InfamousTrapper25 Muse sucks
konj49 3 weeks ago
@konj49 what are you basing this off of?
InfamousTrapper25 3 weeks ago
@InfamousTrapper25 yeah but dream theater are better
cmhonsu33 2 days ago
2:33 Bliss? lol
furonet138 2 months ago
Muse are just better.
ben89021 3 months ago
@ben89021
never
theturkishgamer1 3 months ago
@ben89021 1/10
SnowedTiger 2 months ago
@ben89021 Muse are better??
bassmanjoe 1 month ago
@ben89021 I am a muse fan, but in this ocation they arent better than Dream Theater D:!
MuserCesped 3 weeks ago
@Kafixis You just commented...and so did I...and so did you or someone else when they reply to this comment...and so on.
ThatCheapDrummer 3 months ago
@Kafixis all but kittens. I'm more of a dog person.
frankisfunny2007 3 months ago
I actually feel that this is more similar to Hysteria than Stockholm Syndrome... Its in the Exact same scale shape and has identical rhythm. The first notes sound the same too, just different keys
Ccountry8 3 months ago
Is that 4/4 I hear???
AfterlifeBlack 3 months ago
@AfterlifeBlack: Yes, I know DT considers it a weird time signature, but, you have any problem?
progrockkeyboardist 3 months ago
@progrockkeyboardist Oh yes!!! I just hate 4/4 so much that I wanna punch babies!! It's a huge problem for me!! Let's fight about it like the 2 million other people on Youtube!! **Insert Sarcasm here**. It's a joke, calm down.
AfterlifeBlack 3 months ago
@AfterlifeBlack Pull Me Under anyone? :P
rabidmonk5 3 months ago
@rabidmonk5 Haha I guess you're right!!!
AfterlifeBlack 3 months ago
This song reminds me of Stockholm Syndrome. Stockholm Syndrome is my favorite Muse song. Glad to hear another song similar to it! Now that I think about it, this album does seem somewhat like Absolution but different. Absolution is my favorite Muse album, too, so this is a good thing! :D
boredoman 3 months ago
This song, and Prophets Of War, are Muse influenced. You can hear it in the instrumentation. I love Muse and Dream Theater so I'm definitely not complaining! :)
PatrickJaneFan 3 months ago
3:32 O_O orgasm!
psangoesdown 3 months ago
All of you are just a bunch of trolling assholes, Can't you guys just stfu and listen to the fucking music, even dislike it if your a hater GET THE FUCK OUT IF YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH IT!
Thumbs up if you agree!
Coolmandang 3 months ago
@Coolmandang aww, the poor fuck doesn't know what trolling is. and no thumbs up for you, you little thumbs up whore.
qweiopasdz 1 month ago
Why do I think of Muse when I listen to Dream Theater.
tropsnaj 4 months ago
@tropsnaj That's one of the thing I hate about this album. It should feel like DT but it doesn't. I miss the 90's.
axebitten 3 months ago
@tropsnaj Come on...really? I like Muse too, but these two bands are vey diferent. Of course, when I think of DT, I don't imagine only Octavarium, but the entire discography. For me, Dream Theater is ... unique.
dimitri14b 3 months ago
@tropsnaj Only this song probably.
bassmanjoe 1 month ago
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Does anyone know what the hell an octavarium is?
JTLawtonProductions 4 months ago
Does anyone know what the hell an octavarium is?
JTLawtonProductions 4 months ago
how bout you all STFU, if ur so good or know so much go make your own damn music! or better yet STFU and enjoy the music, since you obviously cant and wont and all you are is a bunch of talking shit heads. kinda like a sunday school teacher, go try that out for a profession if you like bitching about random shit u know nothing about.
Spiritl3reaker 4 months ago
Muse sucks but this song is cool.
Foop7 4 months ago
@Foop7 I'd sure like to know how Muse enters into a Dream Theater song. Muse is, for the most part, a talentless group. Can't really compare them to Dream Theater at all, and trying to would be a losing battle for Muse.
AventhLomicien 3 months ago
@AventhLomicien i am sure when a band becomes influence for another band has to have something special, so Muse can not be talentless to inspire Dream theater. Have you heard songs like space demntia or citizen erase or ruled by secrecy or take a bow.. This songs can;t be written by a talentless guy. They are both great and talented bands with lot potential. i am glad that mike portnoy is openminded.
Djfusio666 3 months ago 2
@Djfusio666 Yes yes yes yes! Being openminded is probably one of the best things for a music fan to be! It's also always good to be reminded that musicians are just as open minded, they have to be otherwise I'm sure their inspiration would run dry...
It's just a sad thing to see 'music fans' flat out denying the talent of a band just because the music the band write write isn't to their taste. If only we could all be as openminded towards music.
mohawkgarry 2 months ago
@mohawkgarry yes i agree we should not criticise other for listening sth. We can say muse is better or dream theater is like comparing different things, differnet genres and totally different sound. I understand when someone says i do not like muse but when he says muse sucks or they are talentless group, i know that he have not listen any muse songs. I know muse have commercial songs like neutron star but you have t sell your soul to become famous know or succeed in America
Djfusio666 2 months ago
@AventhLomicien Yeah, Muse sucks dick lmao.
Foop7 2 months ago
Also, as far as this stupid bickering about Muse... who says this is a ripoff? What if DT were simply inspired by Muse? It's known that while DT records albums they listen to other music that influences them. In one video I even saw it say "Muse riff" on one of their song-sheets (might've been for Stream of Consciousness). Every artist's music is essentially a combination of all the other artists' music that THEY'VE enjoyed.
RICbass78 4 months ago
Does anyone else thing that the lyrics Mike wrote to this song are a hint that he might be leaving the band soon?
RICbass78 4 months ago
@RICbass78 This just dawned on me as I was listening to it for the first time in years...
Destructerator 4 months ago
Me as a big big BIG fan of Muse in all of their albums and songs I must say that, yeah it sounds like them but well, there a lot of songs anywhere that sound like from another band. I accept that when I hear this the first thing I thought was "Stockholm Syndrome" and for a DT fan if hears it the first thing he will hear will be "Never Enough"... No band wats to rip any band's song, that's for sure...ROCK MUSE AND DT!!!!! (and A7X, but that's appart xD)
Perezoso94 4 months ago
6:12 is the beginning of Killing in the name of !
Zenon66 4 months ago
Isso é Stockholm do Muse ' kk
lukeDmC1 4 months ago
Ok, stop being dipshits and enjoy the goddamn music. You're embarasing yourselves.
ostritchman101 4 months ago
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DexelBDX 4 months ago
just got into this band and holy shit!
The only music i listen to is music that has talent behind it no matter what the genre and this is amazing!!!
teddy4dvids 4 months ago
People comparing Dream Theater to Muse is like comparing Jesus to a hobo, Muse like the hobo would happily be payed to get analy raped by the other, in awe.
nokroblosho 4 months ago
@nokroblosho Except I don't remember Jesus saying he considered the hobo one of the more impressive bands of the last year. Everyone has influences.
FretsonFireMuse 4 months ago
@nokroblosho mature comment kid we all like diffrent kind of music so grow up and stop posting retarded comments on youtube and oh btw no one is comparing them so stfu kid
flyingmanforfun 4 months ago
To clarify on this drama, on who ripped on who, no one did.
You see, Mike Portnoy wrote a list of his 10 favourite albums released in 2004 in which he included Absolution as the first on the list. Next to it, he wrote "(technically this is a 2003 release - but it is hands down my favorite CD of the year and probably the decade as well!)"
Dream Theater was influenced by Muse's Absolution so much, that songs like this and panic attack was a honorable token to Muse. No ripping of, just influence.
KnighferDK 5 months ago 3
@KnighferDK
tal vez se vieron influenciados por el disco pero definitivamente este disco es de gente mucho mas experimentada, estudiada y sin lugar a dudas técnicamente mejor
seco914 4 months ago
@seco914 In my own personal opinion, Muse is my all time favorite band, because it's them i hear all the time. But i won't deny, that Dream Theater are in many ways, technically better then Muse.
Because of that. The day i found out, how a band like DT, where so influenced by Muse, it made me every so much happy.
Sadly, i only got the newest Dream Theather album, but i hope to find this album one day. :)
KnighferDK 4 months ago
@KnighferDK
That should be no surprise at all. Muse are a very respected band amongst other musicians. They have been praised by much more famous and respectable artists than Dream Theater. Brian May of Queen is a very huge fan of Muse's work for example.
winrar88 4 months ago
Just so every one knows DT started in 1985 when Muse started in 1994, so stop saying stupid shit like "DT ripped off Muse" or "Muse ripped off DT" as flyingmanforfun said, you guys are retards and for the record Muse was inspired by DT so without DT you guys wouldn't have Muse
RaidenOfDarkness 5 months ago
@RaidenOfDarkness actually they werent inspired by DT i have only heard a few dt songs and not a single one sounds like muse
flyingmanforfun 4 months ago
@flyingmanforfun I did my homework, Muse was inspired by DT
RaidenOfDarkness 4 months ago
@RaidenOfDarkness they wherent ask any one-.-
flyingmanforfun 4 months ago
@flyingmanforfun well does anyone include the idiots on here?
RaidenOfDarkness 4 months ago
@flyingmanforfun yes they were. it's on the list of inspirations on one of the band members site, i forgot who. but i remember seeing it a while ago. does that mean you don't know what you're talking about? irony..
passion4drums 4 months ago
@RaidenOfDarkness
Go and redo your homework, kid. Try to find a single quote where any member of Muse even MENTIONS Dream Theater. Can you do that for me? Cause I can show you a couple of quotes where Mike Portnoy talk about Muse like an impressed fanboy.
winrar88 4 months ago
@winrar88 Mike Portnoy is an amazing drummer but he is also dumb ass. And there are a few documentaries that Muse has said that they were inspired by bands such as DT, Iron Maiden, B.O.C, and other amazing bands
RaidenOfDarkness 4 months ago
@RaidenOfDarkness
Your opinion of Mike Portnoy is of no relevance here. I just want to see at least one direct quotation of ANYONE from Muse even mentioning this ridiculous band. That's all I asked for here, dude. It shouldn't be that hard if they're so "inspired" by them as you mentioned. Try backing your claims up.
winrar88 4 months ago
@winrar88 Ridiculous? This band is 20x better than Muse who is a knock off peice of shit band that only wishes that they could be any where near DT's level
RaidenOfDarkness 4 months ago
@winrar88 And on top of that Muse is in the music business or he money, the sex and the fame. They are a fucking joke band that doesn't deserve the fame
RaidenOfDarkness 4 months ago
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@winrar88 And on top of that Muse is in the music business or he money, the sex and the fame. They are a fucking joke band that doesn't deserve the fame
RaidenOfDarkness 4 months ago
@winrar88 On top of that Muse is a fucking joke band, they're in it for the money, fame, and the sex.
RaidenOfDarkness 4 months ago
@RaidenOfDarkness
Of course they're in it for the money. The same with any POP musician group, including this silly band called Dream Theater. Except they can only dream and wish to have even a fraction of the success and fame of Muse. No wonder Mike Portnoy gave up this pathetic group to chase after Avenged Sevenfold. Too bad those guys kicked that loser out in the end..lol
winrar88 4 months ago
@RaidenOfDarkness
And you have to learn something here. MONEY is what makes this world go round...that and sex of course. Now maybe when you move out of your parents home to live by yourself with no one to pay for those video-games you play, then you will realize how imporant money is.
winrar88 4 months ago
@winrar88 HA! You take me as some little brat. Dude money is what corrupts the world and turns every body into incompetent, immature, jack asses such as yourself. Sex is one thing this world can do with out as well considering we have way to many people in the world. And who said I played video games? And money is only important because its how we organize trade and business. Without that we would have to find a new way to do trade. And because our government is full of corrupt bastards.
RaidenOfDarkness 4 months ago
@RaidenOfDarkness
lol So you finally decided to come out from hiding in your basement. I can't believe it took you that long to make such a weak meandering responce. What a bunch of nonsensical leftist garbage you are spewing here. If you really believe this earth is so overpulated, then maybe you should help out by ending your worthless existence. This planet really doesn't need such feeble minded cretins like you infesting it.
winrar88 4 months ago
@winrar88 Just letting you know, you're both losing this argument ..
peckjeremy1 4 months ago
@peckjeremy1
Try finishing that little thought process before you even reply to me. If you're not capable of elaborating beyond one fragmented sentence, don't even bother responding here. It's best you just scamper off like this other fool before it's too late.
winrar88 4 months ago
@winrar88 Telling someone to commit suicide is stupid beyond belief, and you should burn in hell for even thinking it. If you think this world is great and perfect then by all means go live your life like theres nothing wrong. Until you realize that the world we live in has gone to hell, your always going to have this one track mind that makes you think "Oh we have a great world" or "Its such a great day to be alive" or some other bull shit.
RaidenOfDarkness 3 months ago
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winrar88 3 months ago
@RaidenOfDarkness
Hey moron, that was only my kind suggestion. I'm not "telling" you to go ahead and kill yourself but merely to consider it. Since of course this world is not perfect with so many retards like you taking up space and oxygen. The least you can do is help out abit by ending your insignificant life, and finally leave your made up "hell" already. There will be just one less annoying teenage malcontent whining over nothing. Good riddance!
winrar88 3 months ago
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winrar88 3 months ago
@RaidenOfDarkness
Now try getting back on topic. Don't think you can just skirt around here like a bitch. Go prove your claims about the DT influence, or just concede you were wrong and move on. Then you can go back to hiding in your basement and I wont disturb you.
winrar88 3 months ago
@winrar88 My house doesn't have a basement. And if you have ever seen a Muse documentary then you would know that they were influenced by DT. And you? Disturb me? I really doubt you could do that.
RaidenOfDarkness 3 months ago
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winrar88 3 months ago
@RaidenOfDarkness
Anyone here can do a quick youtube or google search and find DT are huge Muse aficionados. It is that fucking easy to verify. Yet, it's the exact opposite in reverse. Why is it so damn hard to find Muse even uttering the words "Dream Theater" in any interview? Why is that info. hidden in some obscure documentary you can't even name? Those are not rhetorical questions by the way. Try answering them with whatever limited brain capacity you have.
winrar88 3 months ago
@RaidenOfDarkness
I have been following the debate between you two and i have to say that winrar88 is winnig big :). You said that Muse is doing music for sex and money and fame. Of course they are. So are DT and other big bands. Music isn't a hobby for these guys, it's serious work wich they enjoy doing and they want to get pais for it. I think DT isn't stealing riffs and songs from other bands. Maybe it's influence or respect or something like that. Good band and song anyways.
Lateezz 3 months ago
@Lateezz Dt actually does this because they enjoy playing the music and doing to for their fans, bands like Muse, Metallica, Dethklok and other bands do it for the fame and could care less about the fans. And you do have a point on the respect part, cause bands like Avenged Sevenfold covered 2 great songs from 2 great bands out of respect for the band and that they also inspired them. And I agree with your last sentence
RaidenOfDarkness 3 months ago
@flyingmanforfun and a song doesn't have to sound like muse for them to be inspired by them. that's not what inspiration even means.
passion4drums 4 months ago
One thing, alot of people say that this is a "simpler song" when in my eyes, it has just as much feeling as their other songs, also, I think that a song should be complex from the feeling, no the length or whatever the people are saying that has them say that it's simple.
AMAZINGDOG402 5 months ago
JEEZ!!!
these guys can truly inspire many
AND create some of the most epic songs!
YOU23DUH 5 months ago
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ServantOvDeth 5 months ago
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ServantOvDeth 5 months ago
First of all, I'm a big fan of DT.
Basically, this song is written by Mike Portnoy.
And he used to give an interview about Muse's Absolution (2003) album is one of his favorite albums. And also "Stockholm Syndrome" is a very good song, and he really likes it.
As a result, it's hard for me to believe it, but we cannot deny this fact that MP copied the Muse's song (Stockholm Syndrome).
ServantOvDeth 5 months ago 2
@ServantOvDeth I wouldn't say copied... I would say really inspired by. They are just structured similarly, which is probably not an accident.
alloutmillion 5 months ago
The Intro...i meen...it's...the INTRO!!
TheSonOfTheSystem 5 months ago
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thumbs up if you think they should go back to liquid and get rid of this god awefull singer
3xplisit 5 months ago
@drummerexpress muse are a fabulous band. If I'm being honest Probs my favourite. Muse haven't made Amy mistakes. All there songs and albums are perfect whereas dream theater have had some experiments tht haven't worked out. Ur right they ain't comparable but because muse r way better altho dream theatre r a great band
Technique71 5 months ago
@Technique71 You're wrong dawg.
Although I might be a LITTLE biased because I just so happen to just not like Muse at all....
jimifriedman18 5 months ago
Nice song Hard^ +5
eeKonaN 5 months ago
Listen Stockholm Syndrome by muse and then this song and u'll realize that this song sounds the same
matinx64 5 months ago
@matinx64 You mean Stockholm Syndrom sounds the same... This song is far older! But Muse's song is a great song and Muse was a great band before they decided to do commercial music. :s
gapmatt2208 5 months ago
@gapmatt2208 Stockholm Syndrome was released along with "Absolution" in 2003. So this song is not older. Mike Portnoy also cited Absolution as one of the albums DT had listened to most while on tour, so this song is really inspired by Muse.
geirdraugsvoll 5 months ago
@matinx64 Sorry guy, I spoke too quickly, you're right about that point! I was certain Octavarium was written in the late 90's... :/
gapmatt2208 5 months ago
I love this song! ^^
Susy
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burninman7 5 months ago
I know muse are awesome 'n all....but don't compare them to this level of amazingness known as dream theater,seriously.
bioshockguru 6 months ago
these song is just ridicolous....the true dream theater is another thing...
they dont need to copy Muse...
Shitavarium....
Celestial897 6 months ago
@Celestial897 Shhhhhh...
cw71017 5 months ago
when did this come out? 2006? muse released absolution 2003 so any 1 sayin muse ripped dt of are retarded any 1 sayin dt ripped of muse are retard its called being inspired and stop comparing 2 awesome bands its starting to piss me of when kids who know nothings start sayin that any of these bands suck seriusly grow up!
flyingmanforfun 6 months ago 38
@flyingmanforfun
Nobody ripped anybody off. Muse makes their music, and DT makes their own music. DT specifically said that they took inspiration from Muse for this album. Musicians do that sometimes; when they find a sound they like they will run with it. Besides, this was almost exclusively a one-time thing. Since this album they went in a very different direction, more towards what could possibly (in part) be considered as modern psychedelic music.
goal2004 6 months ago
@flyingmanforfun scuse me men but muse and dream theater are not two awesome band! Dream Theater is an awesome band and is way better than muse! You cannot compare them
drummerexpresss 5 months ago
@drummerexpresss how old are you 12? no wait thats to old maby 8?ur comment just wow....
flyingmanforfun 5 months ago
@flyingmanforfun grow up nd lrn 2 spll
AMAZINGDOG402 5 months ago
@flyingmanforfun its very possible that Muse went forward in time to discover this song which inspired absolution, so they went back and made it and then DT heard it and the album inspired this song. thats what likely happened.
NilReccuring 5 months ago
@flyingmanforfun Stop telling kids to grow up :P
harvester6699 4 months ago
@harvester6699 well some one has to;)
flyingmanforfun 4 months ago
@flyingmanforfun I can't remember where I have watched it but Mike Portnoy has mentioned this he is a big fun of MUSE. And that's a big reason of my love about Mike, he never rejected the point of being fan of another band. Older or newer one....!
Manospetrucci 4 months ago 22
@flyingmanforfun I do think it sounds very similar though, haha when I was listening to this I was like, wow this is pretty awesome, kind of reminds me of the awesomeness of Muse's Absolution album, then I saw your comment.
Antchovi 4 months ago
@flyingmanforfun If you want to call other people on the internet children, write like an adult. Otherwise, I agree whole-heartedly with your statement.
omegaxxxxx 4 months ago
@flyingmanforfun We'll grow up when you learn correct grammar, sir.
GirthmanTheMighty 3 months ago
@flyingmanforfun Muse sucks... Just saying
JTBADRS 3 months ago
@JTBADRS Of course they do! They got a supermassive black hole :-)
Jarstlord 3 months ago
@Jarstlord: DT has "You Not Me". Does this mean DT sucks too? // Anyone could have a bad, uninspired day, you know. Let us remember DT and Muse for great epics like Six Degrees and Exogenesis, respectively.
progrockkeyboardist 3 months ago
@progrockkeyboardist I guess you didn't get me. I love all Muse's songs, including Supermassive Black Hole. It was a pun because a supermassive black hole absorbs all energy near it. Thus, a supermassive black hole sucks. I was talking about the term, not the song (I spelled my previous comment the right way). DT is great, Muse is great ;)
Jarstlord 3 months ago
@Jarstlord: Hahaha! What a tool I am!
progrockkeyboardist 3 months ago
Sounds like muse? HA!
Dream Theater is the band Muse wants to be when it grows up.
Sharpandpointless 6 months ago
@Sharpandpointless you don't really know what you're talking about ;)
zeronovantuno 6 months ago
@zeronovantuno if you looked/listened through DT's catalouge you would see that you don't either.
MrSilentDoubleA 5 months ago
@Sharpandpointless kinda funny how u said grows up since muse is much bigger than dream theater idiot-.-
flyingmanforfun 5 months ago
This sounds nothing like Muse. I listen to both bands alot... obviously more than you "observers"
Qwtrplx 6 months ago
Well they admitted that some songs from this album were influenced by Muse, so yeah obviously it'll sound like Muse at some points...
Definitely NOT Muse or a Muse-rip though. Uniquely Dream Theater :)
tambourDOM 6 months ago
sounds very similar to Assassin from Muse
GameSoundtracksFM 6 months ago
Thumbs up if u think that Whole Octavarium is sooo damn EPIC!
danmos612 6 months ago 93
@danmos612 their whole discography is epic!
WpA09 4 months ago in playlist Videoklipp som favoritmarkerats av WpA09
yeah, it sounds like Muse, so what? I am a HUGE fan of Muse, my favorite album is Absolution, sure this song is influenced by Muse. I really like this song :P
TheEpicFiasco 6 months ago
3:30 sound is the most freakin, awsome, sonic/synth sound i ve ever heard! SET IT ON RINGTONE!
tomekrzadki 6 months ago
@tomekrzadki It is awesome, ain't it? :D
SuperLAFWorld 6 months ago
Who else thinks that the drum intro is fucking baddass. And STOP bitching about muse in case you haven't read properly it's written Dream Theater, NOT MUSE. So stop trolling us about Muse
Poisonedheart1996 6 months ago
My 14 year old brother has just covered this on drums, have a look on my channel :)
malagutial 6 months ago
This Is My Fave Song By Them;D
DaFutureNickiMinaj 6 months ago
its like Hysteria
2013KIRA 6 months ago