Tibetan & Han girls were burn to death by Dalai Lama's mobs

[HanZeroon]

China is not only for Han, people who think that are either brainwashed or evil.

[babydickyi]

i love chinese people no question about tht..... i have 15 chinese friends in my school they are really good people, they are like us (tibetan) but when i think of the leaders and his followers they are pissing me off.. i hate all who are running after chin tawoo,, i dont know his name exactly his name itself is pissing me hahaa TIBET WILL BE FREE AND TIBETAN SPIRIT WILL NEVER END.... GODBLESS ALL THE CHINESE SUPPORTER....

[eastern2western]

it is very sad that there were so many innocent victims in this incident, but it is even worst both sides used this event as propaganda. those asswipes who think this is all propaganda should go to hell for making such comment because it is obvious there were innocent victims of different backgrounds.

[HumanRightsVideosT]

@ eastern2western

Tibetans protested across Tibet in 2008 because they are tired of living in the largest prison in the World.

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Tens of thousands of Tibetans have risked their lives escaping from the largest Prison Camp in the World (Tibet) since 1959.

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Sadly Tibetans get Murdered by CCP security or frostbite trying to escape over the mountains from the backward and evil rule of the CCP to freedom in India.

[eastern2western]

@HumanRightsVideosT u do know that some of the victims are ethnic tibetans.

[HumanRightsVideosT]

@ eastern2western

I have to watch CCTV videos to find out exactly what the CCP is claiming and see what evidence they have.

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If Tibetans died in the fires it proves that Tibetans weren't targeting Chinese they were targeting Chinese shops.

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If shop workers had a decent education they would have run out into the streets to avoid any chance of smoke inhalation. But it would seem that education in the PRC isn't top rate.

[eastern2western]

@HumanRightsVideosT from reading your stupid ass comment, I just realized you are the biggest fucken asshole in the world. Innocent people died. you should not celebrate because they are from a different ethnic race or political back ground. you are such fucken ass. how could you separate tibetans from regular hans. if both groups wore the same clothes, they are pratically the same. you are such fucken asshole.

[HumanRightsVideosT]

@ eastern2western

Innocent people have been dying in Tibet and China for 60+ years... 60 to 80 million of them.

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You should try the Falun Gong exercises. They can help you chill out.

[eastern2western]

@HumanRightsVideosT what kind of asshole are you? if innocent people had been dying for the last 60 years, then it is completelly okay to kill some more. the 2008 case shows that it was an exercise in violence that was unecessary. you are nothing but a racist pig. pig.

[FalunGongIsAmazing]

@ eastern2western

Do you really think killing is good ???

[eastern2western]

@FalunGongIsAmazing no, death of innocent victims are not acceptable to me.

[FalunGongIsAmazing]

@ eastern2western

Do you know innocent Falun Gong have their organs stolen in China and what's left of the body is thrown in a furnace ?

[eastern2western]

@FalunGongIsAmazing does that make it okay for tibetans to kill and burn innocent victims in tibet.

[FalunGongIsAmazing]

@ eastern2western

Because Tibetans have NO rights in Tibet things happen. The violence of some young Tibetans is unfortunate but it is minor compared with the many man-made disasters that the communist party has created in Tibet since the 1949-50 invasion.

[eastern2western]

@FalunGongIsAmazing being oppressed by the government does not give them the right to attack innocent bystandards. your logic is very barbaric.  if the government had oppressed them, then they should attack the government instead of bystanders.

[FalunGongIsAmazing]

@ eastern2western

Turn the clock back to 1950. The communists had NO right to Invade the independent country of Tibet in the first place.

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Tibet wasn't part of china before 1950.

[eastern2western]

@FalunGongIsAmazing well, unless you have a timemachine that allows you to travel back in time and change history, then you just have to live with the present reality.

[FalunGongIsAmazing]

@ eastern2western

The world is always changing and the communist party is crumbling EVERY hour

from quitccp. org (remove space)

@ 15 July 2011 - 98,647,853

@ 5 July 2011 – 98,074,938 quit the communist party since Dec. 2004.

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So that's 572,915 in 10 days or 57,291 quitting per day. There could be a party at my place when it reaches 100 million, which will be 24 days after 15 July by my calculations.

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There is NO chance of the backward CCP being able to sustain that level of loss !!!

[eastern2western]

@FalunGongIsAmazing personally, I do not give a rat's ass about what the fuck happens to ccp. only thing I am complaining about is that both parties used these innocent victims as propaganda victims and that is really sad. thus, u should just shut the fuck up and stop sputting ur bs propaganda.

[FalunGongIsAmazing]

@ eastern2western

If education was good in Tibet and China the victims would have known to get out of burning buildings.

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Its sad that many people don't know about smoke inhalation. I got it once from cycling in smog and it made me feel sick.

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I think you should try the Falun Gong exercises at a Falun Gong practice site. FG exercises will help you chill out.

[eastern2western]

@FalunGongIsAmazing u are probably the worst person I have ever met. basically, you are blaming all the faults in the victims instead of the criminal. no wonder china said that falungong followers are brainwashed.

[FalunGongIsAmazing]

@ eastern2western

Its the governments responsibility to provide a good education.

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Free Tibet and China from poor education

[eastern2western]

@FalunGongIsAmazing are u stupid or cold blooded? there are victims in the incident and you are blaming the responsibilities on the victims instead of the criminals. then, if that is your logic, you are as much cold-blooded as the fucken digusting ccp party that has victimized china for the last 60 plus years.  then you should go to freaking hell just like those 80 million fucken ccp members.

[AnjuABCDE]

Fuck Tibetans , dalai lama's fucking slaves

[HumanRightsVideosT]

@ AnjuABCDE

If Tibetans were slaves they wouldn't have risen up many times after the communist invasion which began in 1949-50.

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Free China from Slavery Factories in 2011.

[groupthinkful]

WE DON'T BUY YOUR BRAINWASHING PROPAGANDA, USING FALSE FLAG, CHINESE SECURITY IN DISGUISE. YOU DON'T FOOL THE WORLD, ONLY YOUR SELVES.

[tcsephel]

fucking chinese no one in this world will trust red chinese. They killed millions of Tibetan and destroy thousands of very holy temple of Tibetan. They even said religious is poison. When ever i saw chinese people i hate them

[janTdec]

Chinese, are you happy to make Tibet a part of china?

Poor china. Tibet will never be china, and no one in the world call Tibet china.

[dirtydrury]

FUCKEN IDIOTS GO TO GOOGLE AND SEARCH THIS:

x/337_343 - US Department of State

THEN CLICK THE FIRST LINK!

THIS PROVES THAT TIBET IS FUCKEN RECIEVING MONEY AND TRAINING IN ORDER TO CAUSE THE RIOTS.

[tsering13]

this all fake obviously. people with heart would obviously want to Tibet to be free. but the chinese government's lie is just utterlly digusting! shame on china

[k4vud]

You can easily detect a lying Chinese message on Tibet because it uses terms like "feudal," curses like a drunken sailor, has bad English, and condemns HH Dalai Lama. These Chinese fools are likely hired to surf the web and post pro-Chinese/anti-Tibetan comments. These Chinese (and others like them) are slime, criminals, liars, and are complicit in the routine murder of Tibetans.

The truth is China simply shoots people escapingChina's heinous repression

FREE TIBETAN BUDDHISTS !!!

[dokpabhu]

Good acting CCP puppets. I would recommend oscar nomination.

If things are really what the CCP claim to be then why would they kick out all the foreigner and sealed of the whole Tibet from the rest of the world and Why would they reject repeated request from UN human rights watch and Amnesty international to independently investigate the march crisis in Tibet.

China Stop Lying to the world.

[cto15]

stupid chinese propaganda

[dokpabhu]

FREE TIBET AND FREE CHINA FROM CCP.

[imnoobshit]

free your DICK FROM YOUR ASS....

[dokpabhu]

@imnoobshit >> Free Yourself from your ignorance and Free yourself from the demon inside you.

[dorje168]

Chinas TOP 10 1) Racism 2) Torture 3) Brutality 4) Pollution 5) Repression 6) Executions 7)  Slave Prisons 8) Internet Censorship 9) Human Rights Abuse 10) Foulmouthed Vulgar Lowlifes "A lie repeated a hundred times becomes the truth." -Chairman Mao

[cowgoesmoo2]

The reason all you people love the Dali Lama is beacause he is anti-China.

Him being peacefull? HAHA LMAO

YOU KNOW WHO SUPPORTED HIM?

GEORGE BUSH AND THE PEOPLE WHO HATED CHINA.

[suharakazuhide]

You should know

the most hated asians in Asia are NOT

Japanese But Chinese.

Many anti-Chinese riots have taken place

in south-east Asia.

[cowgoesmoo2]

You don't have a legitamite reason.

It is all racism. All of the U.S. is a racist country and hates any other country better or on the rise so that is obviously why the U.S. hates China. Forget about China but think about you and the U.S. the country with most gays and lesbians eh? China has the best students in the world. They study calculus in MIDDLE SCHOOL and in the U.S. they study it in COLLAGE. BIG DIFFERENCE! That proves how stupid U.S. citizens can be

[suharakazuhide]

In China itself, communist leader Mao Zedong's policies caused the death of as many as 60 million Chinese people by war, famine, class struggle, and forced labor in thought-reform labor camps. As many as 1.2 million deaths in Tibet resulted from the same policies, as well as lethal agricultural mismanagement, collectivization, class struggle, cultural destruction, and forced sterilization.

[edward1369]

You really don't no about the Dalai Lama. You definitely haven't even been even in tibet! I used to believe the chinese government were the evil ones, but after the trip to tibet, it opened my eyes. Before the Chinese chinese took over, the previous dalai lama had painful tortures for its people. The life expectancy was thirty and now it is 69! When average people died, they were fed to vultures! When the dalai lama died, he was buried in a golden cofin while his people suffered. PURE EVIL

[muneu]

Do you know the reason about the dead people are fed to the vulture? Are thery a lot of chinaman died during cultural revolution to name a few..? Past chinese dynasties do NOT torture its people?

[arokhampa]

as long as you are there we will never stop fighting !!!!!!

[billypnats]

You're all dumb, all media is controlled, communist or capitalist. For example, I was responding to a news article on the net, (ended up writing an essay in pieces lol) and they all got changed. Im NOT going argue how this came to be and i don't care, bottom line, some white dude decided to change my post.

BTW, whats gonna happen if Tibet's free? all the US multinationals are gonna rush in and in a nanosecond, there we have it, cheap labour.

[muneu]

Yeah, labor is cheaper than China...No business...huh?  MOTOROLA TIBET....SONY TIBET...Does it sounds nice to the ears/

[koritsma]

So... all of you understand chinese lang? cause i try to know what is going on, ok the figures are more than clear: people is suferring. But i don`t find the englis or spanish version.

[50tenz]

china fuckin propaganda

[youotouoboeo1]

sure, it was a propaganda. but it was based on the truth. the political point doesn't make any sense here. so, you'd better shup your fuckin mouth up!

[johannsebastienbach]

say this is truth or false, if this is truth then shut the fuck up.whateve you say, you can't changed the fact that the incident is initiated by mobsters?what you say about it? fake? this is the truth.

[Scubiduz]

totally fake! propaganda!

[theshadowboy607]

truth

[jennyxio4]

stories in the new are controled by the govement ..I don't know to believe or not believe the new in china... I just know those people as vitims , after this news they say the Tbian girls who die in the fire was the ones who started it.

[noisuthat]

The state-run Xinhua news agency quoted a Chinese official saying that the meeting with a representative of the Dalai Lama is hoped to bring an end to pro-Tibetan protests that have disrupted the Olympic torch relay and threaten to spill over into the 2008 Beijing Games" >

China's offer is a major step and a reason for real hope...

[stupidchina1]

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[Scubiduz]

100% Right, you are!

[dragonlubu]

AVANTIBARBARI first think no one said they are gay and second no everyone in tibet did it fucker.

[zikay2005]

It let me sad.

I think this as a tragedy.

The all mobs are devils.

[080808doom]

i can't... i say i can't...eventhough i do want to believe in wat i'm seeing and hearing,but i can't....another side of mine kept on saying it all happened under communist rule....communist they are so good at making up (fake) stories that they should get recognize and awarded....really...CHINA SHOuLDN'T HAVE BANNED FOREIGN MEDIA....when actual incident were happening....wat's there to hide?????wat there to make??????

[yemail5555]

We're given minorities something that is aganist low. One of the important thing is public education.Under China's constitution, everyone should receive public education and all religions should not be taught to people under18. We talk about religious freedom, but we also need to talk about freedom from religions. A kid should not be indoctrinated with religious dogmas. Dalai lama, the liar, is using these people as tools. We must take action to promote public eduction with no exception

[karma79]

I pray for all those who died and suffer during last events. I pray for both Chinese and Tibetan victims. However, if we look the causes of this actions, it is only to blame the Chinese government, Chinese have to know the reality, what is happening ...Free China..free tibet

[YuLiang07]

Guest who really was "Dalai Lama" mob? watch this: watch?v=YmXuM1ZvySg

Chinese government, all of them have small dicks and have no moral virtues whatsoever.

[avantibarbari]

If Tibet is "fucking gay," why do you want them to be part of your country?

[mypetfat123]

it so sad.

[FR3371B37]

COYUU: how much do you know about Tibet!? i think you should ask yourself that question.

Free Tibet.

[COYUU]

Ok, FR3371B37, have you been in Tibet before? I do. Have you been in China before? I was living there for many years. How many places in China have you been? And how many Chinese Minorities or Tibetans you know?...

I have a friend who just came back from Tibet this week. What he saw is definitely NOT the story CNN told you.

[COYUU]

To those tibet free people: How much you know about China? Do you know that in china the minorities, such as tibetian, are always given better treatment? They're easier to enter college, easier to run business, and even do not go to jail for some crimes. This has been the basic policy of chinese govt for more than 50 years.

I can tell you that CNN lies to you. They use pics and vidoes from Nepal to libel china govt. They cut photos to hide the truth. Use you brain, people!!

[bravebhoba]

oh ya? thanks, you guys always make sense.

[4TIBETFREE]

YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED...

LongLivePRC

pity 4 u man, you agonize...

[mypetfat123]

you too. Have you seen to tibet then? I sugguest you to go there in person.

[4TIBETFREE]

Hey man og afgan gay killer,

what then problem with you??????????

Gay? ben laden is gay, with a robe?

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Come on, move your ass, pity of u.!.=(N)

[HomoSapiensHuman]

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/watch?v=9sh1mj_1Y_I

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F@#king savages, they just beat and burnt people to death!

They are probably still laughing about it!

They even beat and try to kill paramedics and doctor(a tibetan)!

You heard that?

Some of these #$@# tried to kill a 6-yr old boy by standing on his chest!!!

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[HomoSapiensHuman]

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/watch?v=9sh1mj_1Y_I

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How can they explain that even tibetan people got burnt to death alive.

A 21 yr old tibetan girl from Sekatze got burnt to death along with her co-workers, 4 other young girls!!!

These barbarians must be brought to justice!!!

Tibetan policemen, do your job!!!

The culprits and the dark hands behind them will be burnt in hell!

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[galadriel7777]

sorry chinese brothers, but these guys are actors paid by your government...remember the massacre among chinese students on the place of heavenly peace 10 years ago. still the same anti-loving anti-life people. don´t believe their lies, like we western lovers of truth don´t believe the lies of our manipulated media. peace to china and the rest fo the world. love

[namemontreal]

lol...u're just piece of shit

[ForteZeroExcell]

We all know we want Democracy but befor ewe let UN in we need to sort ourselves out !!!! I think we should dump Tibet, gain superpower staus+policies=respects=Tibete­ns regret !!!!

[ForteZeroExcell]

We all know we want Democracy but befor ewe let UN in we need to sort ourselves out !!!! I think we should dump Tibet, gain superpower staus+policies=respects=Tibete­ns regret !!!!

[LongLivePRC]

fuck I wanna kill some tibettans now...

fucking Tibettans... we should show them absolutely no mercy at all. KILL THEM!!!!!!!

[miketheday]

Lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies!

China lies!!

[miketheday]

This is nothing but Chinese propoganda!!!

BOYCOTT THE CHINA OLYMPICS!!!

GET CHINA OUT OF TIBET!!!

BOYCOTT ALL CHINESE GOODS!!!

Don't believe the Chinese propoganda! China is the aggressor!! China is the occupier of a peaceful country!!

The Dali Lama speaks truth!!! This title is a big propoganda LIE LIE LIE!!!

[ilomse]

quote: "The Dali Lama speaks truth!!! This title is a big propoganda LIE LIE LIE!!!"

WTF????....r u losing ur mind? coz u sound like a crazy maniac..

[miketheday]

The TITLE to this video!

FREE TIBET!

BOYCOTT CHINA!!

[LongLivePRC]

FUCK DAI LAI KILLER LAMA

[ForteZeroExcell]

YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE TAT TRUTH IS PROPAGANDA you are just being unreasonable cos you have no proof that this i spropaganda but we have proof taht this is proof

[tibet0007]

dalailama is not good for tibetans. this is proof.

[kissmints]

can someone translate this to English so Caucasians actually know how "peaceful" this "protest" was? Cant really blame their ignorance if all they have are their biased media (well, chinese media are biased too, but its always better to hear both sides of the story).

And that Tibetan doctor who protected the kid is a hero!

[TiananmenKiller]

CCTV = Communist Party propaganda media

[ComputerNerd1993]

I say we burn these criminals (Tibetan Terrorists) for what they have done.

The Chinese government should burn them in Lhasa for the good people of Tibet to see!

[USAF0314]

because it never happend? maybe? again we forginers can not judge what we dont really know

[veresh]

Only way chinese killed people in tibet can be validated is if Chinese allow access to tibet . Why they don't allow access ? because they know what they are doing ? Communist china is biggest criminal and terrorist , be it tibet \ sudan . They are land hungry .

Now you hans can report as spam or giv negative point to this comment but truth is truth and communist china knows .

[Madsam02]

veresh, there is access to tibet.

there are tourists from all over the world

in tibet.

the way you speak tells how western medias

influences your opinions of china.

is it surprise they are not welcome

in china???????

[veresh]

If there is access then why China don't allow to it now. Why they kicked out all journalist when problem started ? Why they blocked youtube ? Why they have blocked 15 websites ? Western media is not biased towards China they have covered it well.If media being not so favorable China wouldn't had access to all the western market.

Truth is what china is hiding and if they are clear in there conscious then let them have access to tibet now . BTW I am from a country victim of Chinese aggression ?

[nautilusfossil]

There are evidence both for and against China to be reported over there in Tibet, but Western media wouldn't report what's good for China. If there is one media that always report EVERYTHING, then we may let that one in. However, Western media like CNN and BBC have so far disappointed us.

[veresh]

whatever evidence is there it is reported by XINHUA to feed you brainwashed chinese and we know what xinhua reports.Anyway it is hard to argue with chinese as they have there point of view painted in red.China wants to read only one thing "Tibet\taiwan\arunachal pradesh in india is ours and fuck all those who think otherwise" and those who cant write that are "disappointing them".

Truth is they are not yours and will never be.

[nautilusfossil]

Labelling anyone brainwashed wouldn't help. Exchange Westerners for Chinese and BBC/CNN for Xinhua, and you get the same "argument". What I see is arrogant, predisposed and generalized comments directed against us, and we will fight back.

jimyy has the (a?) point. We've been forced to open many times, and now we have force. When we let them in, they make false news to discredit us. When we don't, they still do. What we need is to be united and strong, and hold our own.

[veresh]

Chinese not only have there point of views painted in red but have also have narrow point of views.When we say open tibet to media for truth to come out they think media = BBC/CNN.Grow up guys broaden your point of view. Also if you dont want to open your house to foreigners then why you are holding olympics , why you open it for american businessmen . Point is you guys are imperialistic and this is coming from someone who is not western and is sufferer of chinese aggression.

[veresh]

Chinese not only have there point of views painted in red but have also have narrow point of views.When we say open tibet to media for truth to come out they think media = BBC/CNN.Grow up guys broaden your point of view. Also if you dont want to open your house to foreigners then why you are holding olympics , why you open it for american businessmen . Point is you guys are imperialistic and this is coming from someone who is not western and is sufferer of chinese aggression.

[jimyy1985]

why allow them, alow CNN and BBC to make more fake news?

Why should we Chinese open our home to foreigners whenever and wherever they ask?

[ForteZeroExcell]

because it is embaraasing

[ForteZeroExcell]

because it is embaraasing

[ForteZeroExcell]

because it is embaraasing

[ForteZeroExcell]

truth is truth and the fact that you haven woke up for 20 years is also fact. China has abadoned comunism for decades and they are not letting foreign journalists in because it is embaraasing for the PRC for westerners to see their own people revolt against their rule. But it is surveyed taht 90% of Tibetens want chinese rule.This is because PRC has given them justice, economic benefits, tourism.etc Before filled with slaves owned by the Dalai Lmawhoisnot atruebuddhistcosbudsdontbelive­inviolence

[veresh]

If china abandoned communism so what is china now socialist , capitalistic ? or in a state of confusion.

who did the survey ...I am sure it must be Xinhua.

Tibet didnot woke up after 20 yrs we were always awake ..it is china which is awakening.

Dont talk of PRC justice we have seen that in taiwan\india\tibet.

China did not give economic benefits they took all the Tibetans minerals and water.For Tibetans it is better to leave in destitute in there own land then work as slave to han chinese

[ForteZeroExcell]

It is mainly capatilism And yeah I CAN talk about PRC justice because the China today is a lot differnet than the China 10 years ago. Stop living in The past this is China's Golden Age !!!! And what do you call theQinghai--Tibet railway, free operations if you're disabled, better money tahn when the Dalai owned theme as slaves, and for your info hans never owned them it was the Dalai !!!

[veresh]

Freedom cannot be traded for freebies ...so take the railways and leave tibet

[ForteZeroExcell]

That's the Whole Bloody Point !!!!!!!!!!!! Tibetens still want the railway vos its bringing in Tourists and their are a lot of hotels and restraunts built for the tourists!!!! Without the railway they would be ruined. Otherwise China would gladly leave Tibet for many obvious reasons. The smart Tibetens (the ones who voted yes on PRC rule ) are the only ones with brains !!!!

[veresh]

ForteZeroExcell go and read earlier threads instead of harping on same points

BTW nice to see you know something of voting a democratic process in communist setup now how about voting whether China wants democracy or communism ?

If china is so confident that Tibetans wants chinese rule then let them allow UN where china has veto to come and conduct pooling.

Let the truth come out.

[ForteZeroExcell]

so when in Gods did Chinks ever take minerals from Tibet, It's China's own land !!! And if they did is taht worse than what America is doing to Iraq ?? They claim thay are inserting Justice in Iraq. But everybody know s that is a lie jut to get more oil Sehow hardtheyare trying just to get oil? Theve kiled inocent Iraqs, and have infliceteda sterotypical view of al Iraqis in the West. That all iraqis and muslims are terrorist. That is not right Im suprised somone with your intell can not see it

[veresh]

we are not discussing iraq\usa here so dont divert unless u have no better argument.

and read my thread carefully i have told earlier that i am no western .

[nautilusfossil]

Common sense: people need water to live. If we took all Tibetan water, how could any Tibetans live to riot?

Exaggerating stuff wouldn't help.

[veresh]

read the threads carefully to understand the context and before that remove the red glasses.

[nautilusfossil]

I understand your context as China being imperialistic, aggressive and directing economic welfare at anything but Tibetans. Does this count as coloured glasses?

[veresh]

no u havent ..happens when u have colored glasses ...point is China is imperialistic, aggressive directing economic welfare to build army to take over areas belonging to tibet , taiwan and india .

[nautilusfossil]

Please do not state your personal opinion as the absolute truth and force people to discuss under such context, or a discussion would not be possible.

Even if such context is true, nothing is wrong about a government protecting its own people from mobs. One day Tibet is under CCP rule, one day the so-called "crackdown" will proceed. Whether Tibet gains autonomy or independency is another matter.

[veresh]

This is no personal opinion this is how china is otherwise they cant have so many border issues with all there neighbors and I am sure there are no confusion there.

If china is so willing to protect it's "own people" from mobs then leave Tibet.

[nautilusfossil]

On border issues. Some of them can be historical, not just "aggression" matter. Take the McMahon Line for example, made by British colonists, it was to separate India and Tibet (when it was "free", as some of you might say). Now China is in control of Tibet, it'll naturally want to solve this.

[veresh]

So as per Chinese .. Tibet doesn't exist separately which give them right to kill people and clean them culturally , McMahon line was wrong wherever it existed which give them right to attack India again and then Taiwan was always part of china which give them right to point there missiles and this is all "historical" and not "aggression".Well then all I can say is leave in your wonderland with red glasses.

[nautilusfossil]

Taiwan is more of a strategic problem if you ask me. Rather than waiting for them to go independent, relying on US missile pointing at China to protect them, I'd rather point first. But that's off-topic.

As for cleansing and killing, se my other comment.

[veresh]

That is not off topic ..we are proving here that china is imperialistic, aggressive directing economic welfare to build army to take over areas belonging to tibet , taiwan and india .

[nautilusfossil]

The other kind of view is that we're taking back land that belonged to us, as well as gaining necessary military might and stragetic locations for our protection.

You realize there can be more than one view to the so-called "truth", don't you.

(No, because Chinese views are not creditable according to you guys)

[veresh]

ohh yes i forget only thing you guys are taught is China is right and all are wrong ...

If it's just Tibet one could understand but thing is you don't have good relation with any of the neighbors speak of themselves.

[nautilusfossil]

"Any" of the neighbors?

Another thing to remember is to avoid using "absolute" statements during an argument. Say, we do have border problems with Russia, but we are still, well, not bad with them, and are trying to solve the problem peacefully.

I'm not saying anything about "right" or "wrong". There are different views on different sides, but now that you consider all our views to be under red glasses and not worthwhile.

Perhaps it's your glasses that should be taken off.

[veresh]

Yes you guys know what russia will do if you fight with them ... they are not poor tibet ...

But good to know you understand that you have bad relations with all .

my glasses are always off that's why i stated what everyone (RED CROSS \ WHO \ GERMANS) wants and not just china.

[nautilusfossil]

Again, "all" is an "absolute" statement. I quit this discussion, because I think discussions are best between people with similar understanding on the techniques of argument.

At last, I'm confident that access of fair international media will be available, and the world will eventually tell truths from lies. Let's hope there would be no more losses, be it Han, Hui, Tibetans, or other minorities.

[veresh]

amen !! Let's hope there would be no more losses, be it Han, Hui, Tibetans, or other minorities.

[ForteZeroExcell]

we have good relations with India !¬!!! And pakistan !!!!

[cnniub]

You want to know why we're building up our army? Because we were picked on in the 1800s all the way up till up now. Our land was taken by the western invader, yes that includes you Americans, French, British, Portuguese, Italian, and etc. Even in my city, there are remains of land "rented" to these countries. Then once again, in WWI and WWII we were invaded by the Japanese, and land were taken and millions lost their lives. We are building our army to also match up with the Americans.

[cnniub]

Out couple of billions spend on the millitary is NOTHING compared to the trillions spent by the Americans. We are doing this to protect our face from shame of giving our land out and being bullied by other countries.

[veresh]

well cninub it would have done some good to you if you have gone through the threads and understood that I am no American.

Eye for an eye will make the world blind

[ForteZeroExcell]

are you indian ? Veresh cos if you are you have nothing to worry about PLA would never attack India cos all the relations!!! We are also builing n army to put ourselve on the map !!!

[veresh]

I am global citizen ..born in india worked in south korea and then moved to uk and now in usa.

Japan and Germany are on world map and are more revered then china without huge army.

PLA has attacked India in 1952 for reason known to them and history has taught not to trust Chinese.

[nautilusfossil]

Now on "leaving" Tibet. It is not practical to just say "leave". Who's leaving? All that are not Tibetans? There must be millions of Han and other Chinese people living there. Many of which were born there! How do you think if you are forced to leave your homeland, just because someone said "your parents shouldn't have moved there"? Problem is, they are already there. What about all that are not born there? Well, foreign people, away!

Some form of racism just seem so "acceptable", don't they.

[veresh]

when did they born ? Truth is china is killing tibet culturally .

There were many Russians born in afghan, many Britishers born in India during occupation and they had to leave when freedom was achieve so will have to han Chinese.

[nautilusfossil]

Please do not take media opinion as your own. Go to Tibet and see for yourself, the magnificant temples, the monks praying, and beautiful crafts.

Well, you wouldn't go would you. Because they must have been forced to near extinction and there's nothing to see!

Sidenote: calculated from population figures released by Tibetan government and Dalai, if 1.2mil Tibetans were killed, then their population size had tripled during CCP rule, while the size of China's total population only doubled.

[veresh]

now you are again back to point 1 ... i iterate if china is so confident then why dont they let media not just bbc/cnn which as you may say is very bad but Germans, WHO , RED Cross who has ask for access . China has invited world media to cover Olympics but not Tibet , they are confident one will be covered well but not other.

[nautilusfossil]

I don't know if I've said this or not. We can't allow only some media but not others, or the world will still accuse us of unfairness. Plus, our government has said it's considering about opening up. Things have to be done step by step. Accusing of something "not being done" just because it's "not done immediately" is childish.

[veresh]

I sure you still have red glasses on ... to repeat again .. What did Chinese did before crackdown ..kicked out all foreigners and tourist from Tibet and now is "considering" of inviting them again.I am sure china will open the Tibet to the world when there are no more Tibetans left only one left would be Han Chinese.

I am sure you will agree that being childish is better then being tyrant.

You are back to initial topics ....

[nautilusfossil]

I have read many eyewitness accounts by foreigners and tourists. Do not base your arguments on false premises, please.

[taiwanProvince]

Terrorist!

[TIBETisfuckingGAY]

the dalai mobs are made up by criminals!