I have been living on the planet of reality, where a person with nothing more then a high school education does not make as much as a university grad. The days of the caw & its unskilled workers making $30hr or more, are done, while the middle class making $18-22hr at non union plants will still continue to work & enjoy job security.
I really wish people would stop putting Harper's picture up, like it's all his fault. Was it not Jean Chretien that signed NAFTA?. Not that it really matters, because anymore it's just a big smoke and mirrors thing that makes people think they have a choice, when they don't. It doesn't matter who you elect, and it won't until we scrap the whole thing and start over.
Working in a factory for minimum wage over the summer to raise money for school - I can't even bring myself to imagine what it'd be like working in those conditions for $16.50 for the rest of my life. We need government involvement in this issue - because it'll sink the local economy and ripple through to everyone.
@TeKNiQ50 If you dont want to work in those conditions for the rest of your life, go to school then & get an education. & govt cant & will not do anything.
@mfornelos Actually it would be good if the gov't had done nothing. Unfortunately, harper did something, unfortunately to help the greedy bastards. harper govt gives millions of tax breaks to greedy corporations like Caterpillar. then they leave.
@m00se321 We can compete with China, mexico & india, just not at really high unreasonble wages & benefits & with a union always telling a company what they can & cant do. Just look at Brose & Formet, my friends mom drive forklift there for $22hr & they have always voted no to unionize, which would explain why she works 40+ hrs a week & is not worried about losing her job. Can you tell me how many non union plants have closed vs unionized since 2008. They can & are competing globally.
Lies, Lies, Lies. Hey CAW why dont you show us the actual offer from Cat, you wont because the public will see how badly you lied, unskilled workers will make $16.50 & skilled will still make $35. & what makes your jobs so special when a Mexican can do the same job for $8 hr, wake up & smell reality, your a factory worker, you can all be repalced over night, stop being stupid & go back to work. Great bias, total BS video by the way!
@mfornelos Its thinking like yours that drives the wedge firmly between the the rich that get richer and the poor that get poorer with nothing in between. You dont think about the local stores and businessess that wont survive becase theres no one to spend money in thier establishment. Or what about all the taxes that are collected by the municipalities to fund operations? With every decent paying job a ripple effect of 7 jobs are affected. Ask whats more important.. jobs here or Mexico? DUMBASS
@brickwall595 Listen dumbass, its obvious that jobs here are better then in Mexico, no one is debating that. But it time to face reality, someone with a highschool education if that, doing a job that anyone off the street can do, does not deserve the same type of money as an educated person who has specific skills. Funny how all the non-union plants seem to be doing well, while all the unionized one are slowing closing & leaving the country. Go back to work, & earn what your worth
@mfornelos first of all these are skilled trades, not highschool drop outs. Now let me ask you a question. Why is it that when someone gets divorced the courts issue alomony to a spouse? A: because the individual has become acustom to a certain level of living. BUT the same system allows a corporation to cut MORE than half of ones wages with total disregard to ones certain way of living. Come on dude who the fuck can just accept having thier wages cut in half letting the rich get richer?
@brickwall595 First of all, not everyones wage is getting cut to $16.50, only the unskilled workers are & the skilled workers are still making $35 like they deserve, because they have skill & cant be replaced tomorrow by someone off the street. The bottom line is, if you have nothing more then a highschool education & no skill 16.50 is a very good & fair wage, why dont you get mad at Tim Hortons for paying minimum wage to their employees? Because there not union workers so its ok?
@mfornelos Can't speak for the younger guys, but the older dudes have been there for decades and were hired when high school was the standard education. Do you expect 50 year olds to go back to school when they're raising/taking care of families?
@TeKNiQ Dont feel sorry for them what so ever, if you want to support your family then dont take advantage of your employer by always going on strike & getting your wages and benefits raised to unsustainble levels. Why is it that plant that are closing are union, while the non union ones are going strong, where wages are at a realistic level. When you screw your employer one to many times dont act surprised when they leave.
@TeKNiQ50 Do drink Tim Hortons coffee? They make record profits every year, but i dont see you or other union people boycotting them for paying their unskilled workers minimum wage, why is that? What the difference between them & a unskilled factory worker?
@mfornelos i work at Electro-Motive London and IF you think all of us at Electro-Motive do not have any skilled trades you better think the second time over ,why dont you go pull your head out of your ass and smell it ,you stink
@ok400bigbearpro If you do a skill trade then your not being offered $16.50 are you. However you & your union want everyone to think this was so. How about the CAW release the offer from Cat to the London Free Press so we can all see how many are actually being offered $16.50 & what work they do. I know you guys wont do that because you know you will lose the support of most Londoners when they see the offers were reasonable. Enjoy unemployment, because it does't pay $16.50
@mfornelos Tims is a bad example. There's a difference in the type and quality of work done there than in a factory. Working conditions are completely different too. I don't know if you've ever worked in a factory - but it's like an assault on your senses. Timmies employs a lot of high school kids/students. They don't expect most of their workers to be making a career out of the place to raise a family on. There's older people working there, but the demographic is clearly different.
@TeKNiQ50 Bad exapmle, there are a lot of students who work at those place during the nights or weekends, but its all older fulltime people during the day, also at grocery stores, & any major retailer as well, so you better stop shopping at Loblaws, Sobeys, Canadian Tire, Sears & so on.
@mfornelos What do you do for a living? Please tell. I'd love to rip your profession a new one.
I sympathize with these people the same way I sympathize with pharmacists who can't find work and aren't being paid as much as they used to because of the recent cut to their funding AFTER they spent 8+ years in school getting grades they worked for that are higher than anything you could achieve. I sympathize with rads and other medical specialties saturated to shit too.
@TeKNiQ50 Really? I have 2 friends who became pharmacists & now make over 90K a year after 1 year on the job & medical specialties saturated to shit?? my friend is a nurse makes 85k, other one is a nurse practitioner makes 95k, 3 friends who are doctors make over 200k. Myself & all my friends with educations make 70-200k a year & we are all under 30. So no, i dont feel sorry for a unskilled highschool grad making $16.50, thats reality you union peolpe seem to forget.
@mfornelos Med specialties ARE saturated dude. Radiology, cardiothoracic surgery, etc job out look is terrible since there never really was a doctor shortage (it was/is more of a distribution problem) but they increased class sizes anyways. Where do your pharmacist buddies work? It's unlikely they're making that salary in the city - most have to relocate to unpopulated areas to get that. And nurses are fine at the moment- there's a turf war between physician assistants and them tho.
@mfornelos Not enough operating room time. What types of doctors are your friends? Family docs? That's fine since they're least competitive specialties. And let's not forget dentists - there are WAY too many.
From the royal college of physicians and surgeons in Canada. Straight from them.
Job shortages are real buddy. School can buffer you against it but there are never any guarantees. The days of going to med and being promised a job are over. I've been thinking long and hard about pharmacy/med (I'm still a student) and was surprised to find out about these things too.
@TeKNiQ50 Funny! the CBC 2 days ago where talking about how there are 250 000 unfilled skill jobs in this country. Which would explain why my friends & i who got educations all have secure jobs, & why all my friends who just finished highschool are struggling going job to job. Maybe if the laid of factory workers where smart enough to go back to school they could get one of the 250 000 unfilled skilled jobs!
@mfornelos You're comparing people your age to people decades older than you. Like I already pointed out, high school was standard back when they started working. You can't expect 50 year olds to go back to school. But your point is valid for people in their 20's.
@ok400bigbearpro Your right a BA means no experience in the working world, you get that experience once you start woking. Just curious, why did the CAW not tell the news that skilled trades who were making $38hr were offered $33hr? I like how you guys spin stories to look like the poor victims. So out of the 450 working how many were actually offered $16.50 & what jobs do they preform? Why so secret? & if you want to work then go work, you guys are the ones who said no.
@mfornelos Family business. You don't think you were more fortunate than others in that regard? Not everyone has a family business to fall back on. Degrees are basically useless now anyways. Science degrees require you to at least pursue a masters if not professional school of some sort and social sciences/arts require the same thing.
@TeKNiQ50 I choose the family business, if not i would have continued with my studies, & seeing as i had better grades then 6 of my 8 friends who got into Ivey, getting my hba & mba would have been very easy, & i would have been making more money doing that at the current moment then i am now.
@mfornelos The only degrees that give you a chance of going somewhere straight out of university are business and engineering. And those are tricky too since community colleges are churning out a shitload of diplomas to people who can do the same work as university grads for less pay. Pharmaceutical techs is a great example of this - but they apply to pharmacists.
@TeKNiQ50 Not true, i have lots of friends who reveived degrees that would seem pointless, but that magical little piece of paper has landed them all jobs right out of university. The difference in the degrees obviously make a difference in pay. Some of my friends started at 45-50k while otheres started at 80-90k, But not one of us is unemployed or struggling to make it by.
@mfornelos People seem to forget that if wasnt for Unions standards wouldnt exist today. Do you honestly think that Honda and Toyota in Canada would be paying thier employees $30 plus dollars an hour if not for the fear of Unions. Give your head a shake. Corporate bonus's are in the 10s of millions of dollars and you seem to think its OK to fuck with someones lively hood.
@brickwall595 People seem to forget that when a company was really busy, or landed a new contract with a deadline to meet, the union would choose that time to strike, knowing full well they would get what they wanted because the company could not afford to shut down. Nice way to say F.U. to your employer! Great standard to set. i dont blame the unionized companies for leaving, i would to if i was ceo of one.
@mfornelos Not true about the timing to strike. Unions have legal binding contract agreement that have expiry dates so that throwes your B.S out the window. They cant just pick when to strike unless it clearly violates the collective agreement. Are you making this shit up as you go along?
@brickwall595 Is true, just checked out strike history of caw in s.w. ont from 80s & 90s. Turns out whenever a plant was at peak production or added a new product line, the demands of the unions where so ridiculous it would always result in a strike, but when a plant was hurting & laying off people, agreements where then magically reached & a strike avoided. Funny how that works, agin nice fu to your employer.
@ok400bigbearpro I support you guys 100%. don't try to reason with that greedy former CEO mfornelos. Those bastards will eliminate the working middle class, just like those greedy CEOs have done in the US. Fuck Harper! I support tax breaks, but to the working class like us, not to the greedy corporations.
@lakeerie90s Just curious, who do you work for, a corperation? Do you drink Tim Horton Coffee or eat at Mcdonalds or buy grocery at Loblaws or sobeys or buy clothes at any major retailer? Because if you do, you are supporting those greedy corperations that pay their employes minimum wage to sart, which is $10.25, however EM was offering $16.50 for their unskilled workers to start, a $6.25 difference, & $33hr for their skilled workers. So whats so greedy about that?
@mfornelos yes i do work for a corp and unfortunately its a greedy one which recently acquired us. I don't drink coffee or eat at mcdonalds, I do have to buy groceries or I will starve. caterpillar is greedy because they shamelessly accept taxbreaks, then try to cut worker salaries. harper should only give tax breaks to those ppl who need it, the poor & the middle class, not to the greedy foreign corpns making billions in profits. worker salaries should only be cut if the corp is dying like GM.
@lakeerie90s You obviously dont understand business. If you are a corp & can locate your factories anywhere in the world, why would you locate here if your taxes are higher & there a chance your factory might become unionized & workers will demand unrealistic wages of $30 plus and hour. Funny how the non union factories paying $17-22hr stay here, while the unionized ones leave. Also middle class is not $75-80k a year like the caw wants you to belive, its $40-50k.
@ok400bigbearpro My uncle at GM Oshawa is skilled trade, he rapairs, disassembles & reassembles the machines on the line. He does a job that workers assembling the cars, myself, or anyone off the street can not do. Thats a skilled trade. My friend who worked summers at ford talbotville & did a different job on the line every 2 weeks filling in for people on vacation, & required 5 minutes of training to do the job, is not skilled trade, because anyone off the street can do that.
Some of these comments are sad testimony of the stupidity of our entire species, which is not exactly something new. We are the same species who used to promote slavery & stab our fellow humans in the back to make a buck. The only difference today is $ have replaced chains; slaves are tied to their workstations by camera’s. Society operates on the international anti depressant, Booze. Get loaded on the weekend and go back to your slave master & pretend all is well.Thank You Operation Maple.
There is nothing wrong with making sure your workers are working. The plant owners are within their right to set up those cameras. There is no sensible reason for the government to prevent people surveying their own property. And there is nothing wrong with those cuts. Those cuts are actually a great thing. The government has no role to hurt the plant. This video is full of retards.
@nasevikaadamko Nice refutation. Do not offer any counter evidence or counter points. Just say the guy's wrong In tough economic times, considering globalization, cutting wages is reasonable. Union wages were a large part of the undoing of the American Auto Companies. They were paying (including benefits etc.) ~80$/hr.. A company is well within its right to monitor the premises of its property. And low corporate taxes (provided that the loopholes are done away with) can be good for the economy
@TheSAMathematician Except the plant has been running for decades with nearly no problems whatsoever. It's one thing to survey your property and it's another to harass the shit out of your employees when things have been running smoothly before Caterpillar came. And the cuts are a terrible thing. I don't know what you do for a living. Whether you're a doctor, dentist, etc. you WILL feel the effects of this. Small businesses will suffer, dental offices will be hit, etc.
I have been living on the planet of reality, where a person with nothing more then a high school education does not make as much as a university grad. The days of the caw & its unskilled workers making $30hr or more, are done, while the middle class making $18-22hr at non union plants will still continue to work & enjoy job security.
mfornelos 3 weeks ago
I really wish people would stop putting Harper's picture up, like it's all his fault. Was it not Jean Chretien that signed NAFTA?. Not that it really matters, because anymore it's just a big smoke and mirrors thing that makes people think they have a choice, when they don't. It doesn't matter who you elect, and it won't until we scrap the whole thing and start over.
Necrosis223 3 weeks ago
There is no attack on the middle class, just the unrealistic unions, who want you to believe that $80k a year is a middle class income.
mfornelos 3 weeks ago
@mfornelos No attack on the middle class??? What planet have you been living on for the past 20 years?
Necrosis223 3 weeks ago
Working in a factory for minimum wage over the summer to raise money for school - I can't even bring myself to imagine what it'd be like working in those conditions for $16.50 for the rest of my life. We need government involvement in this issue - because it'll sink the local economy and ripple through to everyone.
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
@TeKNiQ50 If you dont want to work in those conditions for the rest of your life, go to school then & get an education. & govt cant & will not do anything.
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos Actually it would be good if the gov't had done nothing. Unfortunately, harper did something, unfortunately to help the greedy bastards. harper govt gives millions of tax breaks to greedy corporations like Caterpillar. then they leave.
lakeerie90s 3 weeks ago
They'll going to Send The Factory too Communist China,,Minimum Wages Workers ,Can't even Compete With Communist China!!!
m00se321 1 month ago
@m00se321 We can compete with China, mexico & india, just not at really high unreasonble wages & benefits & with a union always telling a company what they can & cant do. Just look at Brose & Formet, my friends mom drive forklift there for $22hr & they have always voted no to unionize, which would explain why she works 40+ hrs a week & is not worried about losing her job. Can you tell me how many non union plants have closed vs unionized since 2008. They can & are competing globally.
mfornelos 1 month ago
Lies, Lies, Lies. Hey CAW why dont you show us the actual offer from Cat, you wont because the public will see how badly you lied, unskilled workers will make $16.50 & skilled will still make $35. & what makes your jobs so special when a Mexican can do the same job for $8 hr, wake up & smell reality, your a factory worker, you can all be repalced over night, stop being stupid & go back to work. Great bias, total BS video by the way!
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos Its thinking like yours that drives the wedge firmly between the the rich that get richer and the poor that get poorer with nothing in between. You dont think about the local stores and businessess that wont survive becase theres no one to spend money in thier establishment. Or what about all the taxes that are collected by the municipalities to fund operations? With every decent paying job a ripple effect of 7 jobs are affected. Ask whats more important.. jobs here or Mexico? DUMBASS
brickwall595 1 month ago
@brickwall595 Listen dumbass, its obvious that jobs here are better then in Mexico, no one is debating that. But it time to face reality, someone with a highschool education if that, doing a job that anyone off the street can do, does not deserve the same type of money as an educated person who has specific skills. Funny how all the non-union plants seem to be doing well, while all the unionized one are slowing closing & leaving the country. Go back to work, & earn what your worth
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos first of all these are skilled trades, not highschool drop outs. Now let me ask you a question. Why is it that when someone gets divorced the courts issue alomony to a spouse? A: because the individual has become acustom to a certain level of living. BUT the same system allows a corporation to cut MORE than half of ones wages with total disregard to ones certain way of living. Come on dude who the fuck can just accept having thier wages cut in half letting the rich get richer?
brickwall595 1 month ago
@brickwall595 First of all, not everyones wage is getting cut to $16.50, only the unskilled workers are & the skilled workers are still making $35 like they deserve, because they have skill & cant be replaced tomorrow by someone off the street. The bottom line is, if you have nothing more then a highschool education & no skill 16.50 is a very good & fair wage, why dont you get mad at Tim Hortons for paying minimum wage to their employees? Because there not union workers so its ok?
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos Can't speak for the younger guys, but the older dudes have been there for decades and were hired when high school was the standard education. Do you expect 50 year olds to go back to school when they're raising/taking care of families?
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
@TeKNiQ Dont feel sorry for them what so ever, if you want to support your family then dont take advantage of your employer by always going on strike & getting your wages and benefits raised to unsustainble levels. Why is it that plant that are closing are union, while the non union ones are going strong, where wages are at a realistic level. When you screw your employer one to many times dont act surprised when they leave.
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos They're not unsustainable levels when they're making record profits.
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
@TeKNiQ50 Do drink Tim Hortons coffee? They make record profits every year, but i dont see you or other union people boycotting them for paying their unskilled workers minimum wage, why is that? What the difference between them & a unskilled factory worker?
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos i work at Electro-Motive London and IF you think all of us at Electro-Motive do not have any skilled trades you better think the second time over ,why dont you go pull your head out of your ass and smell it ,you stink
ok400bigbearpro 1 month ago
@ok400bigbearpro If you do a skill trade then your not being offered $16.50 are you. However you & your union want everyone to think this was so. How about the CAW release the offer from Cat to the London Free Press so we can all see how many are actually being offered $16.50 & what work they do. I know you guys wont do that because you know you will lose the support of most Londoners when they see the offers were reasonable. Enjoy unemployment, because it does't pay $16.50
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos Tims is a bad example. There's a difference in the type and quality of work done there than in a factory. Working conditions are completely different too. I don't know if you've ever worked in a factory - but it's like an assault on your senses. Timmies employs a lot of high school kids/students. They don't expect most of their workers to be making a career out of the place to raise a family on. There's older people working there, but the demographic is clearly different.
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
@TeKNiQ50 Bad exapmle, there are a lot of students who work at those place during the nights or weekends, but its all older fulltime people during the day, also at grocery stores, & any major retailer as well, so you better stop shopping at Loblaws, Sobeys, Canadian Tire, Sears & so on.
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos hey we are not on strike ,,dont you read dum ass ,,,,,,,,,,,WE are locked out and want to work ASSHOLE
ok400bigbearpro 1 month ago
@mfornelos What do you do for a living? Please tell. I'd love to rip your profession a new one.
I sympathize with these people the same way I sympathize with pharmacists who can't find work and aren't being paid as much as they used to because of the recent cut to their funding AFTER they spent 8+ years in school getting grades they worked for that are higher than anything you could achieve. I sympathize with rads and other medical specialties saturated to shit too.
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
@TeKNiQ50 Really? I have 2 friends who became pharmacists & now make over 90K a year after 1 year on the job & medical specialties saturated to shit?? my friend is a nurse makes 85k, other one is a nurse practitioner makes 95k, 3 friends who are doctors make over 200k. Myself & all my friends with educations make 70-200k a year & we are all under 30. So no, i dont feel sorry for a unskilled highschool grad making $16.50, thats reality you union peolpe seem to forget.
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos Med specialties ARE saturated dude. Radiology, cardiothoracic surgery, etc job out look is terrible since there never really was a doctor shortage (it was/is more of a distribution problem) but they increased class sizes anyways. Where do your pharmacist buddies work? It's unlikely they're making that salary in the city - most have to relocate to unpopulated areas to get that. And nurses are fine at the moment- there's a turf war between physician assistants and them tho.
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
@TeKNiQ50 not true, we were all born & raised in london, went to uwo here and now all work here & busy as hell making a ton of cash.
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos Not enough operating room time. What types of doctors are your friends? Family docs? That's fine since they're least competitive specialties. And let's not forget dentists - there are WAY too many.
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
@TeKNiQ50 1 is, the other 2 are ER docs at UWO, great jobs, lots of money.
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos Here:
rcpsc.medical.org/publications/dialogue/vol11-10/2/oversupply_e.php
From the royal college of physicians and surgeons in Canada. Straight from them.
Job shortages are real buddy. School can buffer you against it but there are never any guarantees. The days of going to med and being promised a job are over. I've been thinking long and hard about pharmacy/med (I'm still a student) and was surprised to find out about these things too.
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
@TeKNiQ50 Funny! the CBC 2 days ago where talking about how there are 250 000 unfilled skill jobs in this country. Which would explain why my friends & i who got educations all have secure jobs, & why all my friends who just finished highschool are struggling going job to job. Maybe if the laid of factory workers where smart enough to go back to school they could get one of the 250 000 unfilled skilled jobs!
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos You're comparing people your age to people decades older than you. Like I already pointed out, high school was standard back when they started working. You can't expect 50 year olds to go back to school. But your point is valid for people in their 20's.
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
@mfornelos What field do you work in and what was your degree in?
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
@TeKNiQ50 My degree is a BA in business & history from uwo, & i join our family business.
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos so 12 dollars /hr lol
ok400bigbearpro 1 month ago
@mfornelos YA NO HANDS ON LOL NO HANDS HAHA
ok400bigbearpro 1 month ago
@mfornelos GO DO THE DAM JOB LOL LITS SEE IF YOU CAN DO IT SHIT ASS
ok400bigbearpro 1 month ago
@mfornelos ba for -------- well you know what im thinking LOL BA means no experience in the working world LOL
ok400bigbearpro 1 month ago
@ok400bigbearpro Your right a BA means no experience in the working world, you get that experience once you start woking. Just curious, why did the CAW not tell the news that skilled trades who were making $38hr were offered $33hr? I like how you guys spin stories to look like the poor victims. So out of the 450 working how many were actually offered $16.50 & what jobs do they preform? Why so secret? & if you want to work then go work, you guys are the ones who said no.
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos Family business. You don't think you were more fortunate than others in that regard? Not everyone has a family business to fall back on. Degrees are basically useless now anyways. Science degrees require you to at least pursue a masters if not professional school of some sort and social sciences/arts require the same thing.
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
@TeKNiQ50 I choose the family business, if not i would have continued with my studies, & seeing as i had better grades then 6 of my 8 friends who got into Ivey, getting my hba & mba would have been very easy, & i would have been making more money doing that at the current moment then i am now.
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos The only degrees that give you a chance of going somewhere straight out of university are business and engineering. And those are tricky too since community colleges are churning out a shitload of diplomas to people who can do the same work as university grads for less pay. Pharmaceutical techs is a great example of this - but they apply to pharmacists.
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
@TeKNiQ50 Not true, i have lots of friends who reveived degrees that would seem pointless, but that magical little piece of paper has landed them all jobs right out of university. The difference in the degrees obviously make a difference in pay. Some of my friends started at 45-50k while otheres started at 80-90k, But not one of us is unemployed or struggling to make it by.
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos People seem to forget that if wasnt for Unions standards wouldnt exist today. Do you honestly think that Honda and Toyota in Canada would be paying thier employees $30 plus dollars an hour if not for the fear of Unions. Give your head a shake. Corporate bonus's are in the 10s of millions of dollars and you seem to think its OK to fuck with someones lively hood.
brickwall595 1 month ago
@brickwall595 People seem to forget that when a company was really busy, or landed a new contract with a deadline to meet, the union would choose that time to strike, knowing full well they would get what they wanted because the company could not afford to shut down. Nice way to say F.U. to your employer! Great standard to set. i dont blame the unionized companies for leaving, i would to if i was ceo of one.
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos Not true about the timing to strike. Unions have legal binding contract agreement that have expiry dates so that throwes your B.S out the window. They cant just pick when to strike unless it clearly violates the collective agreement. Are you making this shit up as you go along?
brickwall595 1 month ago
@brickwall595 Is true, just checked out strike history of caw in s.w. ont from 80s & 90s. Turns out whenever a plant was at peak production or added a new product line, the demands of the unions where so ridiculous it would always result in a strike, but when a plant was hurting & laying off people, agreements where then magically reached & a strike avoided. Funny how that works, agin nice fu to your employer.
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos Ok i really need to know just what YOU think a skilled trade is????
ok400bigbearpro 1 month ago
@ok400bigbearpro I support you guys 100%. don't try to reason with that greedy former CEO mfornelos. Those bastards will eliminate the working middle class, just like those greedy CEOs have done in the US. Fuck Harper! I support tax breaks, but to the working class like us, not to the greedy corporations.
lakeerie90s 1 month ago
@lakeerie90s Just curious, who do you work for, a corperation? Do you drink Tim Horton Coffee or eat at Mcdonalds or buy grocery at Loblaws or sobeys or buy clothes at any major retailer? Because if you do, you are supporting those greedy corperations that pay their employes minimum wage to sart, which is $10.25, however EM was offering $16.50 for their unskilled workers to start, a $6.25 difference, & $33hr for their skilled workers. So whats so greedy about that?
mfornelos 1 month ago
@mfornelos yes i do work for a corp and unfortunately its a greedy one which recently acquired us. I don't drink coffee or eat at mcdonalds, I do have to buy groceries or I will starve. caterpillar is greedy because they shamelessly accept taxbreaks, then try to cut worker salaries. harper should only give tax breaks to those ppl who need it, the poor & the middle class, not to the greedy foreign corpns making billions in profits. worker salaries should only be cut if the corp is dying like GM.
lakeerie90s 3 weeks ago
@lakeerie90s You obviously dont understand business. If you are a corp & can locate your factories anywhere in the world, why would you locate here if your taxes are higher & there a chance your factory might become unionized & workers will demand unrealistic wages of $30 plus and hour. Funny how the non union factories paying $17-22hr stay here, while the unionized ones leave. Also middle class is not $75-80k a year like the caw wants you to belive, its $40-50k.
mfornelos 3 weeks ago
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mfornelos 1 month ago
@ok400bigbearpro My uncle at GM Oshawa is skilled trade, he rapairs, disassembles & reassembles the machines on the line. He does a job that workers assembling the cars, myself, or anyone off the street can not do. Thats a skilled trade. My friend who worked summers at ford talbotville & did a different job on the line every 2 weeks filling in for people on vacation, & required 5 minutes of training to do the job, is not skilled trade, because anyone off the street can do that.
mfornelos 1 month ago
Some of these comments are sad testimony of the stupidity of our entire species, which is not exactly something new. We are the same species who used to promote slavery & stab our fellow humans in the back to make a buck. The only difference today is $ have replaced chains; slaves are tied to their workstations by camera’s. Society operates on the international anti depressant, Booze. Get loaded on the weekend and go back to your slave master & pretend all is well.Thank You Operation Maple.
KeepEmStraight 1 month ago
There is nothing wrong with making sure your workers are working. The plant owners are within their right to set up those cameras. There is no sensible reason for the government to prevent people surveying their own property. And there is nothing wrong with those cuts. Those cuts are actually a great thing. The government has no role to hurt the plant. This video is full of retards.
TheSAMathematician 2 months ago
@TheSAMathematician you have no idea about what is going out there..
nasevikaadamko 2 months ago
@nasevikaadamko Nice refutation. Do not offer any counter evidence or counter points. Just say the guy's wrong In tough economic times, considering globalization, cutting wages is reasonable. Union wages were a large part of the undoing of the American Auto Companies. They were paying (including benefits etc.) ~80$/hr.. A company is well within its right to monitor the premises of its property. And low corporate taxes (provided that the loopholes are done away with) can be good for the economy
DrSpedramPhD 2 months ago
@TheSAMathematician Except the plant has been running for decades with nearly no problems whatsoever. It's one thing to survey your property and it's another to harass the shit out of your employees when things have been running smoothly before Caterpillar came. And the cuts are a terrible thing. I don't know what you do for a living. Whether you're a doctor, dentist, etc. you WILL feel the effects of this. Small businesses will suffer, dental offices will be hit, etc.
TeKNiQ50 1 month ago
is they channel run by the ndp?
jordler 2 months ago
@jordler That depends, are you a member of the conservative caucus?
BeatsByWeight 1 month ago
@BeatsByWeight no sir i just feel that operation maple is annoying.
jordler 1 month ago