@CristoYcruz You don't know the doctrine of 'Community of Attributes'. Look it up in Youtube. I'll not reply again, as you want to argue instead of doing your homework in the hundreds of TRINITY verses posted in the video.
I never spend time on lazy people. They hate God, as you provably do.
@CristoYcruz Apparently you do not know that Greek heis and Hebrew echad mean FIRST, UNITED, UNIQUE. Not, 'one' in number. Next time, please do your homework before you spout ignorantly verses you cannot read in the oriignal -lnauguage texts.
And finally the reason I told you why I was NOT attacking Jesus earlier is because I understood what he meant,the translation is also not so accurate, the more accurate meaning can be seen in what the Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him said to Omar "Your faith can only be complete if I am dearer to you than your wealth,kids, even to your own life".
Now I stop and I wish that you'd stop insulting the final Prophet peace be upon him whom in the end is yours too.
The problem is to beware of what basis you use to judge when you face something that sounds "unfamiliar" with your standards.
Also to understand which view is best put them together and check for coherency,even without the final Prophet there is less coherency with the Church's doctrine.Why would John not approach strong drink as in Luke 1:15,why does Jesus pray like Muslims with his face to the ground,why does he feel distress at the moment when he is sought after..
It's not what the Prophet did to women's status that is new to you probably it's this analogy.Now I dont believe I'm someone who is not thinking out his way,I've been through the questionning phase and I am in peace today with the whole package
"Whoever has 3 daughters raises them well and educates them will earn Paradise" one man asked "how about 2" even 2,how about 1 and the Prophet smiled..he smiled at the leap, one day they were burying their baby girls alive and now they want to raise them well..this is not a gradual change unlike Lincoln's case,it was not a small step forward,this is a monumental leap in a mere few years,and this is the reason why no man should dare approach the Prophet with a single offense on women's rights
He banned the burial of baby girls which was tradition,he even told them not to say "May God send you boys" to a pregnant women because it was demeaning to women,he gave them rights they never had.A woman was an asset at the time,he gave her rights to own money,to trade and to inherit when she was herself an inheritance.He LIMITED polygamy when it was common for men to have wives by the dozens,and he even encouraged educating them and bringing them up well that he said:
This is my favorite example because if you read quotes from Lincoln's views about blacks he'd be rated among the most racist people of our time today.BUT he was an initiator at his time.Now I go back to the Prophet peace be upon him,you and I can disagree with many of the Islamic laws on women rights but we daren't say a word against the Prophet precisely because not one of the changes he came with in regards to the woman's status was a regression,they were ALL a big leap in her favor!
Even I had troubles accepting some of them,and to be more accurate it was polygamy I had troubles with.Now if you are an American how much respect do you have to Abraham Lincoln?
Then he will rule the earth for 40 years which will be the most prosperous years the earth will have ever known.And then..he will die because ever soul is bound to taste death,even the Archangel Gabriel,Mikael and Israfil.
The 2nd thing I will tell you is the reason I found it hard to deny the Prophet and it goes like this:
To many people of the modern and civilized world,the islamic rights of women are viewed as an oppression to them,demeaning and degrading to her.
Jews deny Christ (may the blessings be upon him too) because he did not fulfill all the prophecies written about the Messiah and mainly he did not crush his enemies and did not unite the believers in Jerusalem.The Church knows Jesus will return but knows nothing of what he will return to do.The story is only continued 600 years later.The Prophet narrates that on the 2nd coming of Jesus,he will rule all the believers,and it is he who will kill the Anti-Christ then he will gather the believers
And those signs are used so that God will remind them that they are the ones who disbelieved and this is why Jesus says to the Pharisees had you not seen the works I did before you then you would have been forgiven but because you have seen and denied and so you will be punished. I will tell you 2 more things and hopefully this time I will step aside because I usually lose interest in a discussion when the Prophet peace and blessings be upon him, is disrespcted.
But I do accept Jesus' savation only not the way you put it.The message with which he was sent with WAS the salvation,what he preached,and mainly when he said "Keep he Law" for he was not sent to destroy the Law but to fulfill it.This is what every prophet was sent to do.The trinity if you will has always been in the following form:
1- God
2- Arch Angel Gabriel (Holy Spirit)
3- Prophet to whom message was delivered.
It's always been like this.And the Prophet gave signs of his prophethood.
Or do you judge the Prophet Muhammed based on United States law but exempt Abraham and others from it?
Do you know what Jesus will do in his 2nd coming? At which point did the Prophet Muhammed violate the laws of the Torah?
EVEN when Banu Quraiza were executed,and their execution was not declared by the Prophet for your information it was declared by Saa'd ibn Mu'aath to whom the Prophet said "you have ruled by the law of God over the 7 heavens!"
Yes, please do stop, birkeshmin. There's nothing you can tell me about Islam or the Koran which I haven't already heard, investigated, and disproved prior. I must say you are one of the more articulate Muslimin, but you are not thinking out what you say. However, I am truly grateful that you don't use f words like most Muslims do. I am even more grateful that you have a gift of rhetoric.
So get the gift of salvation too: believe Christ paid for your sins, and you are forever saved.
You will tell me but no Abraham had a vision from his Lord ordering him to do so,but for someone who doesnt believe in Abraham's prophethood how do you go about convincing him that?
Did you know Aisha the 10 year-old wife of the Prophet Muhammed was shown to Muhammed (may the peace and blessings of God be upon that man)in his dream before he married her?
Look into Aisha's volumes of quotes from her,did she ever sound like a victim?
birkeshmin, like most Muslims, you mistake the issues as a one-people's god versus another people's god. God belongs to no one, and the issue is Divine Integrity. God is holy, deserves to be paid for sin.
God solved the problem of free creation by contract to pay for sin with God the Son deciding to add Humanity to Himself, and God the Spirit would sustain that Humanity. That Humanity is Jesus, the Faultless One, who chose to die on the Cross spiritually (not physically) for sins.
1-how does sinless relate to being born of a virgin? Because there was no carnal desire involved?if any of the 2 miracles were to be compared then wouldnt Adam's birth be "more" miraculous than Jesus' birth? It's to say they were both created in a similar fashion with one word, the word "BE" and they were.This is the meaning of the Word of God.
2-"Echad" in hebrew is the exact counterpart of "ehad" in arabic meaning: One.
birkeshmin, 1: Adam's sin caused him to lose his human spirit, hence his body corrupted, hence physical death (muth-tamoth in Genesis 2:17). So to avoid that contamination in procreation, a parthenogenetic birth was needed. That Mary also was a virgin at the time, was of course foreknown.
2: echad in Hebrew means united, first, unique, far more often than it means 1 in number, in Bible. Each language uses 'one' in these ways: So to claim it only means 1 in number, is a lie.
Sin "inheritance" from father to son sounds violating one of the fundamental concepts in the Old Testament,precisely:that the father shall not bear the iniquity of the son and neither shall the son bear the iniquity of the father.The only thing we have is the choice to commit sins like Adam and THIS is what we took from Adam but we're not born with sin.And if women represent the Original Sin then it would have been purer for Jesus to have been born like Adam and not from a woman.
-Is it not written in your law "I (God/YHWH/Allah) said ye (the Prophets sent before Jesus) are gods", if He (God/YHWH) called them (the Prophets) gods, unto whom the word of God came,and the scriptures cannot be broken,Say ye of him (Jesus), whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?-
birkeshmin, Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34 do not refer to the prophets sent before Jesus. They refer to believers. Someone's giving you bad information. See my 'Ye are Gods' videos.
And as for 10:34, give it any meaning that you like, Prophets, believers, proletaria, it doesnt change the logic of Jesus' sentence.The Jews were looking for trouble and wanted to prove Jesus a liar and a false prophet at any means and so they said what they said.
My intrigue to you is this:before attacking the final Prophet think of Abraham and answer this:
Was he a psycho? Do you disrespect him as a man who wanted to murder his child?Is this a common practice among believers today?
No, birkeshmin, that's a different concept -- I can't remember the exact location, but it's the passage about 'teeth on edge' -- the kids REPEAT the sins of their fathers, and that's how they 'inherit' the punishment of the fathers.
The other passages limit how long such 'inheritance will last, Exod. 20:5; 34:7; Num. 14:18; Deut. 5:9.
All that is separate from the biological 'inheritance' of Adam's sin. Compare Romans 5:12 with Genesis 2:17, & muth tamoth verses. I did videos showing them.
Another difficulty: In the stories of the prophets of old, the primal most unforgivable sin is the belief in other deities than God himself or ascribing partners to Him.Then suddenly there is a rupture and the 1st most important commandment (Mark 12:29 and it says "one") is made vague by the Church and there are 3 who are 1.
birkeshmin, no one is ascribing partners to God. Again, you are inflicted with some very bad Bible scholarship. Muslims are famous for misreading Bible so badly.
Bible doesn't say there are Three Who are One, but that Three CO EQUAL Persons are EACH Infinite God. That's not a partnership, They don't need each other. That's a corporation, though, because they CHOOSE (due to love) to act in concert, as this video shows.
My point is these verses of John 10:34-36 are an indication that Jesus was not part of a triune God, it can be understood as:
1- Either all the prophets before him whom were called gods are also gods with The One God. OR
2- Jesus is rejecting such a blasphemy and denying that he would ever claim such a thing.
And here's the fatal danger of believing that Jesus is God: We all know about the Anti-Christ,and when the Anti-Christ comes he will come as a man doing miracles and claiming deity
birkeshmin, your point about John 10:34 is completely wrong. You didn't read John 10 properly, and you certainly can't read John 6-10 properly, or the other many references where Jesus claims He's God.
Believe Jesus Christ paid for your sins, and then when you sin AFTER that, name the sins to God. Only then can you read Bible properly, because it requires GOD's power, to do so.
So much his wonders will be amazing (among which he will rise the dead)that even believers who believe there is nothing like unto God and the eyes cannot contain Him,some of those will fall for the Anti-Christ,let alone what will happen to triune believers...
This is my say in this,the story gets very interesting after Jesus,just what if the final Prophet from the Arabs,the brethren of the Jews whom Jesus told that the covenant of God shall be given to another people,what if he was no hoax?
Mohammed was a thief, a liar, a murderer, a pedophile, and the Koran is a completely immoral book. Mohammed was not a prophet from God. The last Prophet from God is Jesus Himself, Revelation 19:10.
If you are Muslim, you cannot read Bible and frankly y'all don't read the Koran very well, either.
Hey I'm supposed to be the terrorist here and I'm supposed to be the young inconsiderate one and I should be the dirty Arab,and in the end I get the nasty tone from you.You just showed utmost disrespect to someone who was discussing with you,is that the love and respect you preach?I'm an engineer,I'm not a religious scholar and if you want to sink in your contradiction then tell me why Jesus says there is none good but the father,why doesnt Jesus know about the Hour if he is EQUALLY infinite
When the Jews have it in their Talmud that Jesus is a b****** and Mary is a s*** (I cant say the word I respect him as any other Prophet and Mary is in the Quran the most respected woman), well it irritates you doesn't it to hear such a thing from a Jew,but they wont say it,and yet you love the Jews and support them,whereas those who truly honor and respect Jesus and his mother you throw them such disrespect.I've read the Quran,I've read the Gospels and I've read many many hadith
This video is great, it is as if someone already read my mind - I was in a deep search of the word 'Spirit' mentioned in the OT and this video is explaining to me what it means.
everything is great but I have to be really picky brainouty, hope you donot get offened - I do not like the music :) - I wish it was more classical/academic approach?
I'm not offended, lovejesusplz. I tried the AudioSwap and didn't like the replacement music. Youtube says the last two minutes are copyrighted, too. When I find suitable music I'll change it but that means re-uploading, if AudioSwap doesn't have better selections.
I'll try again and let you know if I found one. So you read my mind, too (this has been bugging me for months). :)
Okay, I just used AudioSwap to Mozart's Concert in C major (I like Mozart). Might take up to 30 minutes before you can hear the change in Youtube.
Track ends up being a little syncopated compared to the timing of the frames, but it's smooth enough. Now I have no more copyright problem, too. Thanks for the suggestion, lovejesusplz! :)
I'm grateful you found it of use, lovejesusplz. Frankly it is hard to see Trinity in the OT if one doesn't know how to look. Like a Citroen: until you've actually seen one, how can you know what it is?
You're in the beta version, Oallos1. So when you 'edit' your settings, you are allowed to select a video from your lists, or you can select 'Other' and paste in the video url.
Else you can edit your 'bulletin' section to attach a video. There you also need to paste in the url.
If this doesn't help, yell at me in PM and I'll try to reproduce the steps more exactly.
If the Son and Father are both co-equal eternally why does the Son need help from the Father? Why did the Son Jesus need to pray? eat and drink? and learned? where was the Son in the Old testament? why wasnt the Son at the red sea? on the mountain? in the desert? etc.. if Hes co-eternal the Son should be back there right?
Rev1986, Son is BOTH Deity and Humanity. The Deity is the same NATURE as Father (my pastor likes to term Trinity, "triplets", to explain that same statement in 2Cor13:14's Greek). So the Humanity was BORN, but the Deity always existed (YH for Deity, WH for Humanity), John 8:58
2. So the HUMANITY, is High Priest, theme of Hebrews 2, 4, 9, 10 (read whole book to see the distinctions). So in John 17, He prays from His Humanity. Prayer=voting, not only a request for help. (Cont below)
3. So the HUMANITY needed to eat, drink. learn, etc.
4. Son is all over the OT, as shown in the video verses. He has many Titles; "Son" in Hebrew & Greek is a double-entendre word, usu. translated "Servant" (which also means 'son'). As you saw in the video, in the NT He CLAIMS those OT titles. So He was at the Red Sea, subtheme in Isa63, etc.
5. Crux: Father is of EQUAL Nature to Son & Spirit, but they CHOOSE to subordinate due to Love. Does this explanation help?
It's always good to hear from you jc! And you're NOT a noob. HS is full in you, it's obvious, so you can't be Filled and a noob at that same time!
Don't be too impressed by me. I had a good teacher, breathe 1Jn1:9 constantly, and with BibleWorks software, a video like this doesn't take long to make: took me only a week to research the verses in context. Some folks prefer Logos, but for me Logos is way too slow and full of stuff I don't need.
I probably should have said that after they see that Jesus is Deity and then reject it. Understanding who Jesus is does not come automatically but if one is in God's word it will come. To reject it then would be to not believe the right things. Thanks
To me believing in Jesus is to believe the right things about him as well. I do not believe a person can be saved if they reject the Deity of Jesus. Jesus was not a god, He is God. 5/5
Yes, He is God. But did I know what when I 1st believed He paid for my sins, Bingolly? My mom says I was 4-6 yrs old.
I recall believing He paid for my sins when I was 18. Did I then grasp His Nature? No. Sure I believed He's God, can't recall when I didn't 'know' that. But understand it?
So if one doesn't understand but believes, isn't that the same as not believing? For if the understanding is wrong, then the believing is wrong.
Does John 3:16 say you must UNDERSTAND or .. just believe?
@CristoYcruz You don't know the doctrine of 'Community of Attributes'. Look it up in Youtube. I'll not reply again, as you want to argue instead of doing your homework in the hundreds of TRINITY verses posted in the video.
I never spend time on lazy people. They hate God, as you provably do.
brainouty 11 months ago
@CristoYcruz Apparently you do not know that Greek heis and Hebrew echad mean FIRST, UNITED, UNIQUE. Not, 'one' in number. Next time, please do your homework before you spout ignorantly verses you cannot read in the oriignal -lnauguage texts.
brainouty 11 months ago
And finally the reason I told you why I was NOT attacking Jesus earlier is because I understood what he meant,the translation is also not so accurate, the more accurate meaning can be seen in what the Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him said to Omar "Your faith can only be complete if I am dearer to you than your wealth,kids, even to your own life".
Now I stop and I wish that you'd stop insulting the final Prophet peace be upon him whom in the end is yours too.
birkeshmin 2 years ago
The problem is to beware of what basis you use to judge when you face something that sounds "unfamiliar" with your standards.
Also to understand which view is best put them together and check for coherency,even without the final Prophet there is less coherency with the Church's doctrine.Why would John not approach strong drink as in Luke 1:15,why does Jesus pray like Muslims with his face to the ground,why does he feel distress at the moment when he is sought after..
birkeshmin 2 years ago
It's not what the Prophet did to women's status that is new to you probably it's this analogy.Now I dont believe I'm someone who is not thinking out his way,I've been through the questionning phase and I am in peace today with the whole package
birkeshmin 2 years ago
"Whoever has 3 daughters raises them well and educates them will earn Paradise" one man asked "how about 2" even 2,how about 1 and the Prophet smiled..he smiled at the leap, one day they were burying their baby girls alive and now they want to raise them well..this is not a gradual change unlike Lincoln's case,it was not a small step forward,this is a monumental leap in a mere few years,and this is the reason why no man should dare approach the Prophet with a single offense on women's rights
birkeshmin 2 years ago
He banned the burial of baby girls which was tradition,he even told them not to say "May God send you boys" to a pregnant women because it was demeaning to women,he gave them rights they never had.A woman was an asset at the time,he gave her rights to own money,to trade and to inherit when she was herself an inheritance.He LIMITED polygamy when it was common for men to have wives by the dozens,and he even encouraged educating them and bringing them up well that he said:
birkeshmin 2 years ago
This is my favorite example because if you read quotes from Lincoln's views about blacks he'd be rated among the most racist people of our time today.BUT he was an initiator at his time.Now I go back to the Prophet peace be upon him,you and I can disagree with many of the Islamic laws on women rights but we daren't say a word against the Prophet precisely because not one of the changes he came with in regards to the woman's status was a regression,they were ALL a big leap in her favor!
birkeshmin 2 years ago
Even I had troubles accepting some of them,and to be more accurate it was polygamy I had troubles with.Now if you are an American how much respect do you have to Abraham Lincoln?
birkeshmin 2 years ago
Then he will rule the earth for 40 years which will be the most prosperous years the earth will have ever known.And then..he will die because ever soul is bound to taste death,even the Archangel Gabriel,Mikael and Israfil.
The 2nd thing I will tell you is the reason I found it hard to deny the Prophet and it goes like this:
To many people of the modern and civilized world,the islamic rights of women are viewed as an oppression to them,demeaning and degrading to her.
birkeshmin 2 years ago
Jews deny Christ (may the blessings be upon him too) because he did not fulfill all the prophecies written about the Messiah and mainly he did not crush his enemies and did not unite the believers in Jerusalem.The Church knows Jesus will return but knows nothing of what he will return to do.The story is only continued 600 years later.The Prophet narrates that on the 2nd coming of Jesus,he will rule all the believers,and it is he who will kill the Anti-Christ then he will gather the believers
birkeshmin 2 years ago
And those signs are used so that God will remind them that they are the ones who disbelieved and this is why Jesus says to the Pharisees had you not seen the works I did before you then you would have been forgiven but because you have seen and denied and so you will be punished. I will tell you 2 more things and hopefully this time I will step aside because I usually lose interest in a discussion when the Prophet peace and blessings be upon him, is disrespcted.
About the Jews' denial of Jesus:
birkeshmin 2 years ago
But I do accept Jesus' savation only not the way you put it.The message with which he was sent with WAS the salvation,what he preached,and mainly when he said "Keep he Law" for he was not sent to destroy the Law but to fulfill it.This is what every prophet was sent to do.The trinity if you will has always been in the following form:
1- God
2- Arch Angel Gabriel (Holy Spirit)
3- Prophet to whom message was delivered.
It's always been like this.And the Prophet gave signs of his prophethood.
birkeshmin 2 years ago
Or do you judge the Prophet Muhammed based on United States law but exempt Abraham and others from it?
Do you know what Jesus will do in his 2nd coming? At which point did the Prophet Muhammed violate the laws of the Torah?
EVEN when Banu Quraiza were executed,and their execution was not declared by the Prophet for your information it was declared by Saa'd ibn Mu'aath to whom the Prophet said "you have ruled by the law of God over the 7 heavens!"
I can go on,but I am so disappointed,I stop
birkeshmin 2 years ago
Yes, please do stop, birkeshmin. There's nothing you can tell me about Islam or the Koran which I haven't already heard, investigated, and disproved prior. I must say you are one of the more articulate Muslimin, but you are not thinking out what you say. However, I am truly grateful that you don't use f words like most Muslims do. I am even more grateful that you have a gift of rhetoric.
So get the gift of salvation too: believe Christ paid for your sins, and you are forever saved.
brainouty 2 years ago
You will tell me but no Abraham had a vision from his Lord ordering him to do so,but for someone who doesnt believe in Abraham's prophethood how do you go about convincing him that?
Did you know Aisha the 10 year-old wife of the Prophet Muhammed was shown to Muhammed (may the peace and blessings of God be upon that man)in his dream before he married her?
Look into Aisha's volumes of quotes from her,did she ever sound like a victim?
birkeshmin 2 years ago
birkeshmin, like most Muslims, you mistake the issues as a one-people's god versus another people's god. God belongs to no one, and the issue is Divine Integrity. God is holy, deserves to be paid for sin.
God solved the problem of free creation by contract to pay for sin with God the Son deciding to add Humanity to Himself, and God the Spirit would sustain that Humanity. That Humanity is Jesus, the Faultless One, who chose to die on the Cross spiritually (not physically) for sins.
brainouty 2 years ago
In fact when did any good, decent, obedient,humble, God-believing man attempt to slaughter his good,blessed, well-mannered son?
Ok now back to Jesus, Luke 14:26 "If any
man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and
brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Does this sound full of love, or hate and pride?
Dont worry I am not attacking Jesus
birkeshmin 2 years ago
birkshmin, LOVE chooses to sacrifice. I just typed in my last comment to you how God chose to display his love.
It is not about the people. It's a 3-Way God gifting to God, as the Trinity Verses video explains.
brainouty 2 years ago
I have 2 comments upon watching this:
1-how does sinless relate to being born of a virgin? Because there was no carnal desire involved?if any of the 2 miracles were to be compared then wouldnt Adam's birth be "more" miraculous than Jesus' birth? It's to say they were both created in a similar fashion with one word, the word "BE" and they were.This is the meaning of the Word of God.
2-"Echad" in hebrew is the exact counterpart of "ehad" in arabic meaning: One.
birkeshmin 2 years ago
birkeshmin, 1: Adam's sin caused him to lose his human spirit, hence his body corrupted, hence physical death (muth-tamoth in Genesis 2:17). So to avoid that contamination in procreation, a parthenogenetic birth was needed. That Mary also was a virgin at the time, was of course foreknown.
2: echad in Hebrew means united, first, unique, far more often than it means 1 in number, in Bible. Each language uses 'one' in these ways: So to claim it only means 1 in number, is a lie.
brainouty 2 years ago
Sin "inheritance" from father to son sounds violating one of the fundamental concepts in the Old Testament,precisely:that the father shall not bear the iniquity of the son and neither shall the son bear the iniquity of the father.The only thing we have is the choice to commit sins like Adam and THIS is what we took from Adam but we're not born with sin.And if women represent the Original Sin then it would have been purer for Jesus to have been born like Adam and not from a woman.
birkeshmin 2 years ago
Jesus says:
-Is it not written in your law "I (God/YHWH/Allah) said ye (the Prophets sent before Jesus) are gods", if He (God/YHWH) called them (the Prophets) gods, unto whom the word of God came,and the scriptures cannot be broken,Say ye of him (Jesus), whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?-
How can this be understood vaguely?
birkeshmin 2 years ago
birkeshmin, Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34 do not refer to the prophets sent before Jesus. They refer to believers. Someone's giving you bad information. See my 'Ye are Gods' videos.
brainouty 2 years ago
And as for 10:34, give it any meaning that you like, Prophets, believers, proletaria, it doesnt change the logic of Jesus' sentence.The Jews were looking for trouble and wanted to prove Jesus a liar and a false prophet at any means and so they said what they said.
My intrigue to you is this:before attacking the final Prophet think of Abraham and answer this:
Was he a psycho? Do you disrespect him as a man who wanted to murder his child?Is this a common practice among believers today?
birkeshmin 2 years ago
No, birkeshmin, that's a different concept -- I can't remember the exact location, but it's the passage about 'teeth on edge' -- the kids REPEAT the sins of their fathers, and that's how they 'inherit' the punishment of the fathers.
The other passages limit how long such 'inheritance will last, Exod. 20:5; 34:7; Num. 14:18; Deut. 5:9.
All that is separate from the biological 'inheritance' of Adam's sin. Compare Romans 5:12 with Genesis 2:17, & muth tamoth verses. I did videos showing them.
brainouty 2 years ago
Another difficulty: In the stories of the prophets of old, the primal most unforgivable sin is the belief in other deities than God himself or ascribing partners to Him.Then suddenly there is a rupture and the 1st most important commandment (Mark 12:29 and it says "one") is made vague by the Church and there are 3 who are 1.
birkeshmin 2 years ago
birkeshmin, no one is ascribing partners to God. Again, you are inflicted with some very bad Bible scholarship. Muslims are famous for misreading Bible so badly.
Bible doesn't say there are Three Who are One, but that Three CO EQUAL Persons are EACH Infinite God. That's not a partnership, They don't need each other. That's a corporation, though, because they CHOOSE (due to love) to act in concert, as this video shows.
brainouty 2 years ago
My point is these verses of John 10:34-36 are an indication that Jesus was not part of a triune God, it can be understood as:
1- Either all the prophets before him whom were called gods are also gods with The One God. OR
2- Jesus is rejecting such a blasphemy and denying that he would ever claim such a thing.
And here's the fatal danger of believing that Jesus is God: We all know about the Anti-Christ,and when the Anti-Christ comes he will come as a man doing miracles and claiming deity
birkeshmin 2 years ago
birkeshmin, your point about John 10:34 is completely wrong. You didn't read John 10 properly, and you certainly can't read John 6-10 properly, or the other many references where Jesus claims He's God.
Believe Jesus Christ paid for your sins, and then when you sin AFTER that, name the sins to God. Only then can you read Bible properly, because it requires GOD's power, to do so.
brainouty 2 years ago
So much his wonders will be amazing (among which he will rise the dead)that even believers who believe there is nothing like unto God and the eyes cannot contain Him,some of those will fall for the Anti-Christ,let alone what will happen to triune believers...
This is my say in this,the story gets very interesting after Jesus,just what if the final Prophet from the Arabs,the brethren of the Jews whom Jesus told that the covenant of God shall be given to another people,what if he was no hoax?
birkeshmin 2 years ago
Mohammed was a thief, a liar, a murderer, a pedophile, and the Koran is a completely immoral book. Mohammed was not a prophet from God. The last Prophet from God is Jesus Himself, Revelation 19:10.
If you are Muslim, you cannot read Bible and frankly y'all don't read the Koran very well, either.
brainouty 2 years ago
Hey I'm supposed to be the terrorist here and I'm supposed to be the young inconsiderate one and I should be the dirty Arab,and in the end I get the nasty tone from you.You just showed utmost disrespect to someone who was discussing with you,is that the love and respect you preach?I'm an engineer,I'm not a religious scholar and if you want to sink in your contradiction then tell me why Jesus says there is none good but the father,why doesnt Jesus know about the Hour if he is EQUALLY infinite
birkeshmin 2 years ago
When the Jews have it in their Talmud that Jesus is a b****** and Mary is a s*** (I cant say the word I respect him as any other Prophet and Mary is in the Quran the most respected woman), well it irritates you doesn't it to hear such a thing from a Jew,but they wont say it,and yet you love the Jews and support them,whereas those who truly honor and respect Jesus and his mother you throw them such disrespect.I've read the Quran,I've read the Gospels and I've read many many hadith
birkeshmin 2 years ago
This video is great, it is as if someone already read my mind - I was in a deep search of the word 'Spirit' mentioned in the OT and this video is explaining to me what it means.
everything is great but I have to be really picky brainouty, hope you donot get offened - I do not like the music :) - I wish it was more classical/academic approach?
lovejesusplz 2 years ago
I'm not offended, lovejesusplz. I tried the AudioSwap and didn't like the replacement music. Youtube says the last two minutes are copyrighted, too. When I find suitable music I'll change it but that means re-uploading, if AudioSwap doesn't have better selections.
I'll try again and let you know if I found one. So you read my mind, too (this has been bugging me for months). :)
brainouty 2 years ago
Okay, I just used AudioSwap to Mozart's Concert in C major (I like Mozart). Might take up to 30 minutes before you can hear the change in Youtube.
Track ends up being a little syncopated compared to the timing of the frames, but it's smooth enough. Now I have no more copyright problem, too. Thanks for the suggestion, lovejesusplz! :)
brainouty 2 years ago
that's much much better~!:)
I will feature this video for my channel!
Thank you so much for this!
lovejesusplz 2 years ago
I'm grateful you found it of use, lovejesusplz. Frankly it is hard to see Trinity in the OT if one doesn't know how to look. Like a Citroen: until you've actually seen one, how can you know what it is?
brainouty 2 years ago
Other than favoriting a video, How do you "feature" it?
Great video.
Oallos1 2 years ago
You're in the beta version, Oallos1. So when you 'edit' your settings, you are allowed to select a video from your lists, or you can select 'Other' and paste in the video url.
Else you can edit your 'bulletin' section to attach a video. There you also need to paste in the url.
If this doesn't help, yell at me in PM and I'll try to reproduce the steps more exactly.
brainouty 2 years ago
it is always great to see that someone is already ahead of me regarding the understanding the scripture.
Yes this video makes many sense and I agree on them
5/5 and favoured.
GBY!
lovejesusplz 2 years ago
If the Son and Father are both co-equal eternally why does the Son need help from the Father? Why did the Son Jesus need to pray? eat and drink? and learned? where was the Son in the Old testament? why wasnt the Son at the red sea? on the mountain? in the desert? etc.. if Hes co-eternal the Son should be back there right?
Revelation1986 3 years ago
Rev1986, Son is BOTH Deity and Humanity. The Deity is the same NATURE as Father (my pastor likes to term Trinity, "triplets", to explain that same statement in 2Cor13:14's Greek). So the Humanity was BORN, but the Deity always existed (YH for Deity, WH for Humanity), John 8:58
2. So the HUMANITY, is High Priest, theme of Hebrews 2, 4, 9, 10 (read whole book to see the distinctions). So in John 17, He prays from His Humanity. Prayer=voting, not only a request for help. (Cont below)
brainouty 3 years ago
3. So the HUMANITY needed to eat, drink. learn, etc.
4. Son is all over the OT, as shown in the video verses. He has many Titles; "Son" in Hebrew & Greek is a double-entendre word, usu. translated "Servant" (which also means 'son'). As you saw in the video, in the NT He CLAIMS those OT titles. So He was at the Red Sea, subtheme in Isa63, etc.
5. Crux: Father is of EQUAL Nature to Son & Spirit, but they CHOOSE to subordinate due to Love. Does this explanation help?
brainouty 3 years ago
It's always good to hear from you jc! And you're NOT a noob. HS is full in you, it's obvious, so you can't be Filled and a noob at that same time!
Don't be too impressed by me. I had a good teacher, breathe 1Jn1:9 constantly, and with BibleWorks software, a video like this doesn't take long to make: took me only a week to research the verses in context. Some folks prefer Logos, but for me Logos is way too slow and full of stuff I don't need.
Love your videos, jc. So does everyone else!
brainouty 3 years ago
Thank you, devon. Wanna hear something funny? It took three days solid to do this. :)
brainouty 3 years ago
I probably should have said that after they see that Jesus is Deity and then reject it. Understanding who Jesus is does not come automatically but if one is in God's word it will come. To reject it then would be to not believe the right things. Thanks
Bingolly1 3 years ago
Oh, I see, Bingolly. Thank you for the clarification. :)
brainouty 3 years ago
To me believing in Jesus is to believe the right things about him as well. I do not believe a person can be saved if they reject the Deity of Jesus. Jesus was not a god, He is God. 5/5
Bingolly1 3 years ago
Yes, He is God. But did I know what when I 1st believed He paid for my sins, Bingolly? My mom says I was 4-6 yrs old.
I recall believing He paid for my sins when I was 18. Did I then grasp His Nature? No. Sure I believed He's God, can't recall when I didn't 'know' that. But understand it?
So if one doesn't understand but believes, isn't that the same as not believing? For if the understanding is wrong, then the believing is wrong.
Does John 3:16 say you must UNDERSTAND or .. just believe?
brainouty 3 years ago
Lol great video :)
Dangelooo 3 years ago
Thank you, Dangeloo. Now I can collapse. :)
brainouty 3 years ago