@criticalhitwastaken shabir is right if God of the old testament commanded Israel to go to war, he is also neither patient or kind while the God of the new testament is more peaceful and loving god and you guys claims he is the same God in both books then he is definitely morally wrong in the old testament..
Wow look at the comments,is this really the world that i'm living on? there's still an enormous amount of hate in both religions,ppl would do anything to make their religion have a better image(look at the video responses)GOSH can you guys just get along,And for the muslim people leave the past,the crusade has been done for centuries and please think for yourselves,do not depend by the book,think from your thoughts. As FOR THE HATERS, BRING IT ON.
Its not a suprising thing, that what the BIBLE teaches to insult the PROPHETS molest and even KILLING some of them, how can someone be attracted to Christianity??? certainly not by the bible neither by the example of it followers or it doctrines.
@MahyarAkbar God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. God tells us to turn the other cheek, because it is not OUR job to judge, totally God's job. War is biblical then and now though. War is protecting one's country, while murder is taking one's life out of selfish ambitions. This is what the Bible speaks of.
one hand he says 40years on the other hand he says on the dai of jument. whn you take the two both fail. as jesus did not brake jursilam and if you notice h was talking to hes people and what there should do...... not what god would do ownd all round .. and alltho he was ouned peopl nd to hav undrstanding rathr then agging and imbarsing themself lik sam
Interesting question by brother Shabbir. Although, I'm not entirely sure it would be right to object to the idea that God can Command things that go against our internal sense of "right and wrong", which was granted to us by God as a Mercy to begin with. In Islamic theology, morality is not a separate entity from Allah, nor does Allah have some external frame of reference. This means that Allah isn't obligated to act in a certain way. What He Commands is by definition [cont]
@EnjoiningKnowlege morally right, although Shabbir is right to suggest that if what Allah Commanded was to constantly change (with regards to the same situation and context), it would imply an inconsistent Nature of God. Although, it is possible to argue that this is not necessarily true and that it would only imply an inconsistent pattern of God's Commands which stem from Him Freely choosing to command such things (which in Islam He "can" do). However, As a Mercy, Allah chose otherwise.
This guy is a joke, where in the QURAN does it say that Muhammad (s.a.w) is the Lord of the Universe, Sinless? This guy can't be serious, Muhammad is known to us as the Messenger of Allah, Are your eyes and ears always closed Mr Douglas? In the QURAN, nowhere where Muhammad (PBUH) is mentioned and the word Messenger of Allah is not attached to it. So just do real research. Muhammad and the Word Messenger are always mentioned together, those two words are like twins in ISLAM. Unbelievable Douglas
@musa7290 you said, " I wonder where did he got it from." It's "where did he get it from" not got. Also, you said, "It just looks awkward that Shabbir debated this clowns." Shabbir debates this "clowns"? No, it's clown as in singular which is "one"
Maybe you shouldn't criticize someone else without first looking at yourself.
DON'T BELIEVE THE SHIT IN THE NT. BELIEVE ME . how can the DARLING of galilee , jesus krist become the most HATED person in jerusalem ? don't LOOK AT The kristian PROPAGANDA look outside of it. jesus krist was no innocent puppy he was mafia leader who got caught, screwed blued and tatooed and then 4 bullshiters done a rewrite
@ysmzaika I dont agree with your comment.Ive read the koran and your Jesus is not the same Jesus the bible speaks about.my Jesus is alive and well sitting on a throne.and your Jesus is just a prophet.and my bible says to love all your neigbors.the koran says to do well to those who are of the book(muslims)all others are second class citizens.and it also says not to be friends with the christians and jews.and the koran says nothing about the return of Jesus.if Im wrong please show me the surah?
your jesus was SCREWED ,blued and tatooed by the pagan romans/your god was screwed , blued and tatooed by the pagan romans. jesus is dead. the nt says that jesus was such a coward that he played hide and seek with his killers lol. did you ever examine jesus' arrogance and pride when he dealth with the non-jewish woman? did you read what he called HER ILL DAUGHTER?
@mrrichardrichie everything my Jesus did was foretold in the first testament,he died for all of mans sins,yours and mine,Ive accepted his sacrifice,you obviously havent.and he is not dead hes alive and well sitting on his throne!!!!!and if you read the whole scripture he hid because it was not his time yet,he knew when he was going to die for us,it was on passover just as the symbols should be.and he rose on first fruits like it should be.I dont recall any ill daughter you got a verse?
did you examine how jesus dealt with jewish leaders? his PUBLIC abuse and his insults at them? no wonder they wanted to screw, blue and tatoo him . being punched in the face is better than verbally abused in the public. did jesus EVER SIT DOWN WITH A PIG EATING GENTILE ON THE SAME PHUKIN TABLE? CAN YOU SHOW ME EVEN ONE EXAMPLE? did you see how jesus and his JEWISH deciples IGNORE the poor gentile woman who sought help for her daughter?
@mrrichardrichie and here once again he knew they would punch him and pull out his beard that also is written in the first testament.and he sat at many sinners tables,I dont know that they were eating swine but he ate with them.and what gentile woman are you speaking about?I dont recall the story.and Jesus had every right to talk to the jews the way he did,he is God and who are you to question the almighty???the bible is very clear he came to his own and they recieved him not then he went to us
if jesus was all about love then in 3 years the darling of galilee became the most hated person, the leaders, according to the s hi t in the nt TURNED crowds against jesus in 2 DAYS. jesus USED A WHIP in the temple, didn't he know that those who live by the whip SHALL DIE BY THE WHIP? HAHAHAHAHA.DID THE JEWS WELCOME jesus' s ABUSE? DID THEY? in 3 years he PISSED A LOT OF PPL of , no onewoner the heretic was ERASED.
@mrrichardrichie he by no means is erased.I guess you dont realize there are millions of christians so how can you say he was erased?you really got it bad for him dont you.I cant understand how people can hate someone who did what he did? he died so we dont have to.he gave his life so we can have life.he paid a debt he did not owe for us.how can you dare talk about the kindest person that ever lived?but he also said that the world hates him and the world will hate us,so be it. God bless you
the new testament simply tries to clean and soften the violent jesus krist, tries to interpret his doings/claims in light of jewish animal sacrifice/tried to make him an innocent animal lol. your animal god was indeed an animal and thats they beat the s hit out of him, he thought he was gonna rescue the jews via VIOLENCE , but he FAILED just like all the other jesus' krists who failed in your jesus' time.
Maybe Mr. Muslim man should do a little more research on the death, burial, and resurrection, of the Son of God; and his releasing of the "Helper," the Holy Spirit, not Mohammed, (John 16:7). Also, with Jesus's coming to earth, is the beginning of the new covenant between God and man. "Love one another as you love yourself." The only thing Mr. Muslim man owns is a lack of understanding.
stupid christians they know that we cant debate with muslim cause they are on haq, but because of their arrogance they will deabte with muslim providing false understanding
...So you should trust the Bible when it says, Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I AM!" John 8:58... The Quran says that the Gospels are the inspired Word of God, and the Gospels say that Jesus IS God.. So in the long run the QURAN says Jesus is God. If the Quran says somewhere else that Jesus isn't God, then somehow the Quran is contradicting itself. I just want ya'll to know the Truth. Please go read the Gospel of John, its wrong for you to...
@SirMuslim786 God never died, His physical body died, but His Spirit was still alive. Jesus Christ IS God. Here's a few scriptures I would like to share with all of you... He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. Surah 3:3 The Quran right here is saying that the Torah and the Gospels are from God Himself..
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
@gobuddyboy There are no stupid Christians! Just ignorant ones who just can't accept that the Bible is corrupt! Remember what the Quran says about Christians. "... nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say: "We are Christians:" because amongst these are men devoted to learning & men who have renounced the world, & they are not arrogant." Dr. Jacoby is a learned man & deserves respect like any other.
Only the Almighty who created us all knows what is the truth. We believe by what we are taught in our churches because we thought it's true...yet the question is ----- HOW DO WE KNOW IT IS?
@lovelyjane3 when the holy ghost comes in he shows you the truth.and when he comes in you know who God is and there is no doubt.and if you havent experienced this I highly reccomend you pray for it.it was the best day of my life,and will be yours to.I will be praying for you and hope you give Jesus a chance.write me if interested. God bless
@alpacoify Thank you for your message. I agree with you, I am a christian believer actually and I've always believed Jesus all my life. Sometimes it's just confusing why so many other Gods... Does this aside from Jesus really do exist???
@lovelyjane3 God bless you sister.this is so true there are many false christs(gods)Jesus said this would happen many will come and there will be many false Christs.and its only getting worse.he also said that in the end they will almost deceive the elect.that just shows you how true his word is.I study alot of these so called religions and it just affirms my faith in Jesus.the devil is working overtime to deceive people.if you want to hear more send me a friend request and I could share more.
Its always a waste of time time debating a Christian. Since the qu'ran has been published NOT ONE WORD HAS CHANGED since the bible has been published it HAS CHANGED / EDITED ALL THE TIME. and these christians change it when ever they debate a Muslim-the Muslim makes christians wiser -they open the christians eyes. iT IS TO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MUSLIMS PRAY SEVERAL TIMES A DAY when the christians fight several times a day on you tube.-by the way christians -Allah is the translation of Dios =god
@a1saouse your wrong it's not waste of time when muslim debate christians but it;s waste of head talking to wall who try to make impression but cant reply.
pslam964 i dont know if you have seen reall debates of shabir ally dr zakir naik ahmed deedat when ever they debated they never had to use Quran to debate and prove bible Wrong simply bible it self is enough to prove it wrong. christian can assume 10 mistakes in Quran we will answer back with 100 from the bible if u choose 100 we will answer back with 1000 thousands cuz bible errors are thousandsd and thousands more like non stop errors. ur all questions can be given if a person knows Quran wel
@786islamicwarrior The bible is not wrong-it is simply misunderstood by those who do not have God's Spirit within them.It takes divine help from God himself to understand the revelations given within.Without God we can do nothing.
@2peter11617 if the bible was misunderstood it wud have been missunderstood in few points cuz humans love to take few points out to make things fault and u should have answers for everything and it has to be logic answers. about the bible it has sooo many errors i swear i sit down all day i cant count it. i got plenty of examples of it you wana talk about bible we can discuss it and u can bring anyone in whoever u like cuz i m here to learn and understand.
@786islamicwarrior Who says we don't have answers-and illogical ones?Those who either don't understand,and those who don't want to understand.I would imagine that if I were to stand here and give you explanation after explkanation of things in the bible,you still wouldn't believe-is that correct?There is logic in christianity,and the bible.In fact,as we see your religion,it is illogical to us,because we have seen the truth,and the truth has indeed set us free......
@2peter11617 i hope u cud explain me few verses here and one more thing i mite not be able to write all up here cuz i think youtube mite not let me write more cuz i been posting replies others so here u go explain me these 2 verses maththew 1;6 says that jesus was the son of david through solomon, but luke 3;31 says that he was the son of david through nathan whos correct??? on other hand he was born miraculously by virgin marry then how come he got genealogy which u can only have by a man
@786islamicwarrior On the issue of the two genealogies-listen carefully......One of the charges of contradiction brought by skeptics against the Bible is the surface appearance of contradiction between Matthew’s genealogical list (1:1-17) and the one provided by Luke (3:23-38). As is always the case, the charge of contradiction is premature and reflects an immature appraisal of the extant evidence. In every case of alleged contradiction, further investigation has yielded.....
@786islamicwarrior ..... additional evidence that exonerates the Bible and further verifies its inerrancy. The alleged discrepancies pertaining to Matthew and Luke’s genealogies were explained and answered long ago.First, Matthew reported the lineage of Christ only back to Abraham; Luke traced it all the way back to Adam. Second, Matthew used the expression “begat;” Luke used the expression “son of,” which results in his list being a complete reversal of Matthew’s......
@2peter11617 secondly matthew got only 26 names and luke got 41 names so that doesnt make no sense how did one got more than the other when you ur self just contradict that bible shud be contained with same words as 2 kings and isaiah did but here both matthew and luke are going their way not just one way. 3rd how can jesus have genealogy when he was born of virgin. how come marry name is not there when she born him??? finaly u cant have genealogy frm mothers it shud be by fathers scientifically
@786islamicwarrior Third, the two genealogical lines parallel each other from Abraham to David. Fourth, beginning with David, Matthew traced the PATERNAL line of descent through Solomon; Luke traced the MATERNAL line through Solomon’s brother, Nathan.A fifth factor that must be recognized is that the two lines (paternal and maternal) link together in the intermarriage of Shealtiel and Zerubbabel. But the linkage separates again in the two sons of Zerubbabel—Rhesa and Abiud.
@2peter11617 ill give u example on few names on genealogy of david to jesus matthew says 1.solomon 2.roboam 3abaia 4.asa. 5.josaphat according to luke david 1.nathan 2.mattatha.3menan 4.melea 5 eliakim. they both are supose to be inspired of God they shud both know the same name but they only knothe first and last name david and jospeh i can make my own gospel and say the same david rest make my own names and say joseph and i can say according to me i was inspired by God. how will u disproof me?
@786islamicwarrior Finally,I take it you did not understand the explanation given regarding the genealogies.everything you need to know I gave you.You should study carefully what I wrote again........and honestly pray to the Lord,and ask Him to help you understand. =)
@786islamicwarrior ....... Sixth, the two lines come together once again for a final time in the marriage of Joseph and Mary. Joseph was the end of the paternal line, while Mary was the last of the maternal line as the daughter of Heli.
@786islamicwarrior You say the bible has many errors,well,I disgree.If you have examples,go right ahead.I have examples why it is true.So-whatever route you want to take.Its fine by me.
@2peter11617 again 2 samuel 24 says the anger of the " Lord" was kindled against israel, and he moved david against them to say go number israel and judah but 1 chronicles 21 says and "satan" stood up against israel, and provoked david ot number israel so was it Lod the God or was it satan, cuz god cant command satan to do things or it will seem like god commanding satan to corrupt ppl and land. these are only 2 i got 100's contradiction on me, n plz explain me who did plagiarism of the chapters
@786islamicwarrior On 2 Samuel 24/1 Chronicles 21 are also easy to explain.Please listen......Inerrancy in the bible does not mean every word in the bible is the same.Because God is creative(He is the Creator),He says the same thing in different ways,from different viewpoints,and at different times.Inspiration of scripture does not exclude diversity of expression.Many times,in the bible,the same story is told from different perspectives.This does not mean the bible is contradictory,though.
@2peter11617 yes that is what GOD means generator operator and destroyer. when God speaks of something he doesnt change his mind he will stick to it what he says, even if he has to say in a diff way the meaning shud be the same in the end. here 2 samuel is "lord" in 1 chronicles 21 is "satan" no where satan and God means the same no matter how much u try to explain me in diff prospective. GOd n satan dont do the same job as i said before one try to destroy u n God tries to protect u v simple
@786islamicwarrior Satan stood up against Israel....means that Israel disobeyed God,because Satan had deceived them and led them astray.This caused the anger of the Lord to be aroused against Israel.SO-both authors tell the same story,just from different perspectives.
@2peter11617 and what is the diff perspective? i asked the same question from a diff christian his answer was lord orderd satan and then satan prvoked david in that case both provked him. every christian got a diff answer but no logical again and again you guys are missing that God and satan dont work togather, and they dont do samethings they got diff personalities. if one astray you the other brings u to the light in this case both are doing the same job. which cannot be the word of God
@786islamicwarrior .....Satan to do this.Very simple,you see...........next,the meanings are not changed.I do not know what you are referencing,perhaps the last scripture we discussed.Either way,different perspectives are due to different writers of the bible,and yet they do convey the same meanings throughout scripture.Yet another proof of the validity of the bible as God's word.But ofcourse,unless you believe,you will not see it.
@2peter11617 again and again any one on this page who have enough undersstanding would know what God does satan cant do it. satan doesnt have that much power over God to take his kingdom but God has the power to take satan's kingdom. 2 diff personalities does not share the same platform smart person knows that. God simply will protect u from fire and satan certainly will put u in fire. God always gave u laws to follow satan always astray u from it. they will never be on same platform in speaking
@786islamicwarrior No,Satan does not have as much power as God.Only what we allow him to have.If someone gives in to him,then they give him free reign until that person repents......Secondly,God and satan NEVER share the same platform.You are misunderstanding what I am saying.The message is hidden from you.If only you would believe,you would see and God would lead you into all truth.
@786islamicwarrior Satan is a deceiver-and Muslims are deceived,my friend.Salvation is only through faith in Jesus Christ,and the grace that God gives in return.Salvation was bought on the cross for all the world to see.That is God's message to the world-the one and only message,revealed by jesus-the one you claim to revere.And yet you reject His message.
@2peter11617 either 2 king 19 copied from isaiah 37 or isaiah coppied 2 king " 2 king 19 vs isaiah 37" copied word to word so who copied who let me know. bible shud be pure word of God no man shud be writting anything st john 19;35 it seems some1 else writing something behalf of him can u explain me whos this " he" that saw and "his" saith. it doesnt seems jhon tlking writting that even in john 21;24 this is the diciple which testifieth of these things and wrote those things and "we" know.. we??
@786islamicwarrior In reference to the copying of Scripture.......first of all,when one writer of the bible uses a qoute from another,it shows us the continuity of scripture.Jesus qouted the Old testament,as did the Apostles.It is actually one of the proofs of the bible,that Scripture does indeed go together,and is inerrant.Hope that helps to answer some of your questions.
@2peter11617 where in the bible did jesus quoted anything from the entire chapter word to word??? anything that he jesus Quoted non of christian follows that example"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." Mark 12:29 anything which were Gods commandment jesus repeated to the jews. secondly 2 kings and isiah both are containing in the old testament. so y repeating? i wud say its cuz not the word of God. only a diff of 11 chapters after 10 chap of 2 kings its isaiah ppl cudnt read b4???
@786islamicwarrior Where in the bible does Jesus qoute OT scripture?#1 During the temptation in the desert,recoreded in Matthew 4,Mark 1:12,13,Luke 4, #2 Matthew 13:14 , #3 Matthew 15:7-9, #4 Mark 7:6,7, #5 Luke 4:17-21...........
@786islamicwarrior Is there anything Jesus qouted regarding who God is?Plenty of times(but I am giving you one example relevant to your question):JOHN 14:8,9 8Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
@2peter11617 exactly this is what moses asked to his lord show me ur face u know what God says in OT but,he (God) said you cannot see my face, for no 1 may see me and live exodus 33;20. 1 john 4;12 no1 has ever seen God but if we love 1another God lives in us, that is what jesus him self ment to follow my commandments. no where jesus said if u worship me. n u will be gone to heaven. if there was anyway to convince anyone jesus had to say if u see me u seen the father cuz jews always troubled
@786islamicwarrior Jesus was the Son of Man,and the Son of God-----John 1 explains 1 John 4,for it is the same author.John 1:18 No one has ever seen God;the only GOD,who is at the Father's side(that is Jesus,who is at the Father's side)he has made him known.Again,the mystery of God,revealed to those who believe.Ofcourse you do not understand,for it has not been given to Muslims to understand.He who has seen the Son has seen the Father(John 14:8,9).
@786islamicwarrior Nowhere does jesus say worship me?When He said He was the 'I AM,'in John 8:58,He is likening Himself to Jehovah God of exodus 3:14.Muslims are incorrect when they say Jesus never said to worship him.Many times,in the bible,men actually did worship Him,and Jesus NEVER rebuked them.
@2peter11617 i ll send you email its bit longer if we muslim didnt understand those verses i m gonna send you then that mean no one will ever gona understand it neither muslims nor any non muslim its gonna be bit longer take ur time and read and c it to your self that if any other than jesus who talked about jesus make sence or is it jesus words are supose to be heavy front of others, cuz no where jesus claimed to be God only john luke and mathew claimed it so read the email n reply me then bro
@786islamicwarrior In answer to why there is a 2 Kings,and why there is Isaiah,both books have distinctive purpose:2 KINGS-2 Kings continues the saga of disobedience begun in 1 Kings,opening about 850 BC with the conclusion of Elijah's prophetic ministry in Israel and the beginning of the work of his successor,Elisha.Israel spiraled downward in faithlessness,ultimately being defeated and dispersed by the Assyrians in 722...........
@786islamicwarrior Judah,the southern kingdom,had several kings who trusted God and attempted reform.But after many years of God's warnings through Isaiah and other prophets,Judah's sins were punished by Babylonian conquest starting in 605 and ultimately in the fall of Jerusalem in 586.The people were exiled to Babylon for seventy years,as prophecied by Jeremiah(Jeremiah 29:10).God remained faithful to his covenant despite his people's faithlessness.
@786islamicwarrior ISAIAH- Isaiah focuses on the prophetic ministry of Isaiah himself,who prophecied about 740-700 BC.He lived during the decline of Israel,speaking the word of God to a people who were "deaf and blind"(6:10).He warned that the sin of the people of Judah would bring God's judgement.Yet he also declared that God is sovereign and would use the Persians to return the people from exile.There are also many Messianic prophecies spoken by Isaiah,referring to Jesus Christ.
@2peter11617 theres no doubt that there were prophecies about jesus the christ. we also have to think about it theres not only isaiah whos prophecies were written in the bible. there were moses there was jeremiah, exm jeremiah 8,8 he prophcies on jews corrupting the law, moses declare the same b4 his death corrupting the bible but if u look at john 5;40 jesus him self said moses mentioned about him, but question is as a God? did jesus in john said i came as a God to earth or in the name of God?
@786islamicwarrior Did Jesus say He came as God,otr in the name of God-the answer-both.jesus said two things about himself-that He was the Son of Man and the Son of God.You can see it numerous times,and the only conclusion one can come to,is that He was both.As the Son of Man,a servant,as the Son of God,God in the flesh.Why do you think the Jews killed him(John 5:18)?
@2peter11617 when we recite Quran on every chpater we read in the name of God the most beneficent and most merciful, if i m saying that in the name of God i m here or reading these laws to u does that mean we are God's ?? no christian ever understood y jesus was sent again after prophet moses. with the same messages as jesus himself said i did not come to destroy the law of prophets but to filfull, and they r 10 commandments. if its not that then this verse is being corrupt for not teling truth
@786islamicwarrior The bible is written by the ones Jesus taught HIMSELF! The quran was written by a man who at times,wasn't even sure if he was hearing the voice of God.He never met Jesus,never talked with him,never ate with him,never walked with him......and you expect me to believe him over the ones Jesus himself taught?Not much logic in that,I'm afraid.If you think his disciples were wrong,then you must think Jesus was a poor teacher indeed,that he couldn't even teach his students correctly?
@786islamicwarrior In answer to the question,2 Kings gives an overall view of the nation of Israel during that time,as well as a history,while isaiah focuses on the prophet Isaiah himself.There are many things written in Isaiah that were not written in 2 Kings......next question.....the different perspective is this(and it is very logical if you stop and think about it):Satan provoked Israel to number the people-the other side of this,is God became angry with Israel,because Israel allowed...
@2peter11617 so u r saying israel wanted to be numbered by God then they allowed satan to do the same? my question will stil remain the same a bout 2 chapters word to word r the same, no where God would give u inspiration with exact same words as he has given to last prophet. same message and same words they are 2 diff things, if it was about the same message then God cant run out of words n give the same wording to another prophet, i m asking question on behalf of bible cuz it makes me confuse
@786islamicwarrior Ofcourse you are confused,and you will always be confused regarding God,the bible and Christianity,unlkess you believe.Its the way God works-He honors faith.If you do not have the faith to believe,then God will not reveal it to you.
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound That saved a wretch like me! I once was lost, but now am found; Was blind, but now I see. ’Twas grace that taught my heart to fear, And grace my fears relieved; How precious did that grace appear The hour I first believed! Through many dangers, toils and snares, I have already come; ’Tis grace hath brought me safe thus far, And grace will lead me home.
There is only one truth of god that leads to salvation! Salvation is exclusive,not all inclusive.Exclusive to those who put their faith in the Son of God-Jesus Christ our Lord!
I lift my voice I lift my praise to you I lift my hands I lift my worship to you And I love you more than I can say Oh, I love you more than I can say Ever I will sing, only you will I adore Glorify my Lord, only you will I serve For the world will fade away Still my song to you remains Only you will I adore Oh, I love you always (5X)
@psalm964 Giving power to blood sounds like heathen religion to me. The soul is more important a bodily fluid that carries oxygen, nutrients and waste products.
@Gothbdsm The soul is invisible,and cannot be seen,lives eternally,and needs none of the things you have said.......God has used the blood of his only Son,Jesus Christ,in his infinite wisdom,to be the sacrifice for the sins of the world.It has nothing to do with pagan sacrifices to false gods.It has to do with the one sacrifice paid for all,to the one and only living God-Jehovah!
@psalm964 Our calling and election are sure,brother(2 Peter 1:3-15),We are not following a myth,but are following what was taught by those who were eyewitnesses of Jesus' life,death and resurrection(2 Peter 1:16).Many false prophets and teachers have arose in these last and evil days,who have brought destructive teachings-those such as the followers of Muhammed(2 Peter 2:1).
@psalm964 These false prophets bring swift destruction upon themselves,and many will follow them,and because of them,the way of truth has been blasphemed(2 Peter 2:2).They will be condemned by the Lord for their false words,and their destruction will most assuredly come(2 Peter 2:3).For if God did not spare the angels who sinned(demons),if he did not spare those who lived in the ancient world who turned against him and yet saved the righteous,then surely God knows how to rescue the godly.
@psalm964 Surely,the truth is evident to them,and yet they deny it,and deny the truth of who Jesus is(Romans 1:20).One day,every knee will bow to Jesus,in heaven and on earth,and every tongue will confess Jesus Christ is Lord,to the glory of God the Father(Philippians 2:9-11).It is not a question of IF you will bow-it is a question of WHEN you will bow.Will you bow to Jesus as Lord NOW,or after you die,and you await judgement from the eternal Father?
@psalm964 God wouldn't kill himself to answer to himself. That is totally nonsensical. The soul is supposed to be precious and eternal, where as blood is a bodily transit system.
God wouldn't kill himself to answer to himself. That is totally nonsensical. The soul is supposed to be precious and eternal, where as blood is a bodily transit system.
Again,you try to out think God.......the Lord does not need us to figure out what is logical or not.What are we but flesh and blood-His creation?So,you again say you know more than God.That is the Muslim argument,right?It has to be logical to the human brain to be true?That is saying you don't need God-that you trust in....
@Gothbdsm I have come to find that since I have become a christian,God has helped me to understand a lot of things,and a lot of things that did not make sense to me before,now do.
@Gothbdsm Such as why God had to die for our sins.Such as why we are empty in our souls,before Christ comes in.Such as what is the purpose of our lives.Such as why humanity is the way it is.Those,to name a few.....
@psalm964 I've also read several books by rabbis and Jewish scholars to explain why they reject the doctrine of The Original Sin, The Trinity, Jesus' divinity and his death to redeem mankind. Their arguments are almost identical to what most Islamic debaters point out to Christians.
@Gothbdsm Attacking christianity without defending Islam does not help your point.You still have not answered the question.Most of the time,when a Muslim is confronted with something wrong in their religion,they change the subject.Is that what you are going to do?Do you want to know the truth,or do you just simply want to"be right"in your own eyes?Answer my question,and I will answer yours.
@Gothbdsm Let's go to a third point-Muslims claim Muhammed is a prophet,and yet he has NEVER prophecied anything that has actually come to pass.So-how can he be considered a prophet,if he has not proven himself to be one?#4 How can Muslims claim to believe in the words of Jesus written in the bible,and yet claim the bible is flawed?If the bible is flawed,as they say,then the words of Jesus would have to be flawed as well.So-that means they truly do NOT believe the words Jesus spoke,as they claim
@Gothbdsm Or perhaps it is not a question and it is simply a statement.Either way-you have not answered the question.You Muslims believe what you believe,because it is what your parents,or your Imam have told you.We christians believe what we believe,because God reveals himself to us.Big difference. =)
@psalm964 I believe what I believe by choice. My maternal side was mostly Christian. My paternal side Muslim. I was raised around people of many other faiths such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Judaism and Native American spirituality.
@Gothbdsm I believe by choice as well.......my parents were christian,but I rebelled and became a satanist.That is ,until I came to my senses and God saved me.Well,if that is what you have chosen,what else can I say?It is your choice-we have been given free will by God to make that choice.
@psalm964 I been exposed to many religions to make a fair comparison. I could never accept concepts such as the Original Sin or the Trinity. The only Christian denominations I could ever have some agreement with would be Unitarians/Christian monotheists.
@Mattyb88ful Rofl, eternal damnation? To keep a long answer short, Muslims pay their price and still go to heaven. But I'm completely dumbfounded when you say eternal damnation like it's not something in your religion, don't Muslims go to hell according to you? And life being a test means it's a test- what else can it mean rofl. I'm completely amazed you understand trinity math and people being born with sins they didn't commit but not understand that life isn't a test. Wait you're Christian
No, I am an atheist. And, yes, the concept of eternal damnation is ridiculous. It's grossly unjust.
SImilarly, the idea that life is a test, which would require free will, conflicts with the claim there exists an all-knowing, all-powerful god who created everything.
Rofl sure, I guess it's also safe to say eternal unlimited pleasure is overly just (heaven) haha you atheist are climbing up the wrong tree. Similarly we have free will and we make choices, it's in the power of God to know what choices we will make before we make them- Hence destiny. Now get this, you make your choices (free will), God already knows what choices you'll make (destiny). Is that so hard for a cromag with a 300 cc capacity nugget to understand?
@Mattyb88ful Rofl here's a little math for you buddy: you do wrong eternal punishment, you do right eternal pleasure= balanced. Secondly, you failed to read what I wrote about destiny and freewill. Your main flaw is considering from a linear time line- God is not bounded to time. Hence your brain which functions in this dimension of space and time can't fathom anything higher than what it's bound to. Again you can make all the choices you'd like (freewill) but before you make them God knows.
@Mattyb88ful Lastly, glad you bought that point up. I didn't inherit this religion from my parents. Everyone is born Muslim naturally. Learn the fundamental teachings of an ideology before you pose to be a professor delivering a lecture. My parents (Thank God) were Muslim, and (Thank God) therefore I am Muslim- I agree. They taught me the fundamentals, all these arguments I use against you were developed on my own from research, study, and contemplation. So for a second climb down your tree.
@Mattyb88ful Muslims - One who submits to God. If you're going to debate a Muslim, it's understood you debate on his term. Samr if you debate a Christian, atheist, or Jew.
Shabir's argument is that God is morally wrong.
lol
criticalhitwastaken 1 day ago
@criticalhitwastaken shabir is right if God of the old testament commanded Israel to go to war, he is also neither patient or kind while the God of the new testament is more peaceful and loving god and you guys claims he is the same God in both books then he is definitely morally wrong in the old testament..
MCDebate 1 day ago
@MCDebate haha... let me sum up what you're saying in a short narrative:
"God is morally wrong," claims the human.
criticalhitwastaken 4 hours ago
Wow look at the comments,is this really the world that i'm living on? there's still an enormous amount of hate in both religions,ppl would do anything to make their religion have a better image(look at the video responses)GOSH can you guys just get along,And for the muslim people leave the past,the crusade has been done for centuries and please think for yourselves,do not depend by the book,think from your thoughts. As FOR THE HATERS, BRING IT ON.
CSjag19 3 weeks ago
lol this was embarrassing for Douglas
flexpape 3 weeks ago
Its not a suprising thing, that what the BIBLE teaches to insult the PROPHETS molest and even KILLING some of them, how can someone be attracted to Christianity??? certainly not by the bible neither by the example of it followers or it doctrines.
julio14335 1 month ago
When argument fails anger and hatred is the order of the day...
julio14335 1 month ago
have the christians (common folks) leant anything at all from Shabir in all these Debates?
MatrixOfDynamism 1 month ago 4
Dr. Douglas Jacoby is not owned here.....he's PWNED! :)
Asemahdi3 1 month ago 6
shabir is a man of much wisdom
TXBornAndBread 2 months ago 9
shabir ally is simply a legend...i would love him to be my teacher
vitovito123 2 months ago in playlist Ownage!!! 11
God can go from "Kill who ever doesn't accept me as their God" "Kill all children/women/donkeys" to... "Turn the other check"
The point is.. not the "law" changing.. the point is.. God allowed it at one point.. So ... What kind of God do you believe in ?
MahyarAkbar 2 months ago 4
@MahyarAkbar God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. God tells us to turn the other cheek, because it is not OUR job to judge, totally God's job. War is biblical then and now though. War is protecting one's country, while murder is taking one's life out of selfish ambitions. This is what the Bible speaks of.
spursell93 1 month ago
Yet again Mr. Shabir Ally owns another debate! :)
bih117 2 months ago 5
one hand he says 40years on the other hand he says on the dai of jument. whn you take the two both fail. as jesus did not brake jursilam and if you notice h was talking to hes people and what there should do...... not what god would do ownd all round .. and alltho he was ouned peopl nd to hav undrstanding rathr then agging and imbarsing themself lik sam
rudeboywaz 2 months ago
Interesting question by brother Shabbir. Although, I'm not entirely sure it would be right to object to the idea that God can Command things that go against our internal sense of "right and wrong", which was granted to us by God as a Mercy to begin with. In Islamic theology, morality is not a separate entity from Allah, nor does Allah have some external frame of reference. This means that Allah isn't obligated to act in a certain way. What He Commands is by definition [cont]
EnjoiningKnowlege 3 months ago
@EnjoiningKnowlege morally right, although Shabbir is right to suggest that if what Allah Commanded was to constantly change (with regards to the same situation and context), it would imply an inconsistent Nature of God. Although, it is possible to argue that this is not necessarily true and that it would only imply an inconsistent pattern of God's Commands which stem from Him Freely choosing to command such things (which in Islam He "can" do). However, As a Mercy, Allah chose otherwise.
EnjoiningKnowlege 3 months ago
"B-but they've been changed..." haha
damaged2 3 months ago 4
Lord of the universe? Sinless? Jacoby doesn't know Islam at all. Not even the basics. He shouldn't be debating, he should be learning.
damaged2 3 months ago 2
This guy is a joke, where in the QURAN does it say that Muhammad (s.a.w) is the Lord of the Universe, Sinless? This guy can't be serious, Muhammad is known to us as the Messenger of Allah, Are your eyes and ears always closed Mr Douglas? In the QURAN, nowhere where Muhammad (PBUH) is mentioned and the word Messenger of Allah is not attached to it. So just do real research. Muhammad and the Word Messenger are always mentioned together, those two words are like twins in ISLAM. Unbelievable Douglas
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Douglas Jacoby really poses a PhD degree? I wonder where did he got it from..
He looks like a student in front of Shabbir.
It just looks awkward that Shabbir debated clowns like this!!
musa7290 4 months ago
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Douglas Jacoby really poses a PhD degree? I wonder where did he got it from..
He looks like a student in front of Shabbir.
It just looks awkward that Shabbir debated this clowns!!
musa7290 4 months ago
Douglas Jacoby really poses a PhD degree? I wonder where did he got it from..
He looks like a student in front of Shabbir.
It just looks awkward that Shabbir debated this clowns.
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@musa7290 you said, " I wonder where did he got it from." It's "where did he get it from" not got. Also, you said, "It just looks awkward that Shabbir debated this clowns." Shabbir debates this "clowns"? No, it's clown as in singular which is "one"
Maybe you shouldn't criticize someone else without first looking at yourself.
99minerkc 1 month ago
shabir has been owning these christians for the past 10 years.
kidcanman 4 months ago 80
DON'T BELIEVE THE SHIT IN THE NT. BELIEVE ME . how can the DARLING of galilee , jesus krist become the most HATED person in jerusalem ? don't LOOK AT The kristian PROPAGANDA look outside of it. jesus krist was no innocent puppy he was mafia leader who got caught, screwed blued and tatooed and then 4 bullshiters done a rewrite
mrrichardrichie 4 months ago
@ysmzaika I dont agree with your comment.Ive read the koran and your Jesus is not the same Jesus the bible speaks about.my Jesus is alive and well sitting on a throne.and your Jesus is just a prophet.and my bible says to love all your neigbors.the koran says to do well to those who are of the book(muslims)all others are second class citizens.and it also says not to be friends with the christians and jews.and the koran says nothing about the return of Jesus.if Im wrong please show me the surah?
alpacoify 4 months ago
test
mrrichardrichie 4 months ago
your jesus was SCREWED ,blued and tatooed by the pagan romans/your god was screwed , blued and tatooed by the pagan romans. jesus is dead. the nt says that jesus was such a coward that he played hide and seek with his killers lol. did you ever examine jesus' arrogance and pride when he dealth with the non-jewish woman? did you read what he called HER ILL DAUGHTER?
mrrichardrichie 4 months ago
@mrrichardrichie everything my Jesus did was foretold in the first testament,he died for all of mans sins,yours and mine,Ive accepted his sacrifice,you obviously havent.and he is not dead hes alive and well sitting on his throne!!!!!and if you read the whole scripture he hid because it was not his time yet,he knew when he was going to die for us,it was on passover just as the symbols should be.and he rose on first fruits like it should be.I dont recall any ill daughter you got a verse?
alpacoify 4 months ago
did you examine how jesus dealt with jewish leaders? his PUBLIC abuse and his insults at them? no wonder they wanted to screw, blue and tatoo him . being punched in the face is better than verbally abused in the public. did jesus EVER SIT DOWN WITH A PIG EATING GENTILE ON THE SAME PHUKIN TABLE? CAN YOU SHOW ME EVEN ONE EXAMPLE? did you see how jesus and his JEWISH deciples IGNORE the poor gentile woman who sought help for her daughter?
mrrichardrichie 4 months ago
@mrrichardrichie and here once again he knew they would punch him and pull out his beard that also is written in the first testament.and he sat at many sinners tables,I dont know that they were eating swine but he ate with them.and what gentile woman are you speaking about?I dont recall the story.and Jesus had every right to talk to the jews the way he did,he is God and who are you to question the almighty???the bible is very clear he came to his own and they recieved him not then he went to us
alpacoify 4 months ago
if jesus was all about love then in 3 years the darling of galilee became the most hated person, the leaders, according to the s hi t in the nt TURNED crowds against jesus in 2 DAYS. jesus USED A WHIP in the temple, didn't he know that those who live by the whip SHALL DIE BY THE WHIP? HAHAHAHAHA.DID THE JEWS WELCOME jesus' s ABUSE? DID THEY? in 3 years he PISSED A LOT OF PPL of , no onewoner the heretic was ERASED.
mrrichardrichie 4 months ago
@mrrichardrichie he by no means is erased.I guess you dont realize there are millions of christians so how can you say he was erased?you really got it bad for him dont you.I cant understand how people can hate someone who did what he did? he died so we dont have to.he gave his life so we can have life.he paid a debt he did not owe for us.how can you dare talk about the kindest person that ever lived?but he also said that the world hates him and the world will hate us,so be it. God bless you
alpacoify 4 months ago
the new testament simply tries to clean and soften the violent jesus krist, tries to interpret his doings/claims in light of jewish animal sacrifice/tried to make him an innocent animal lol. your animal god was indeed an animal and thats they beat the s hit out of him, he thought he was gonna rescue the jews via VIOLENCE , but he FAILED just like all the other jesus' krists who failed in your jesus' time.
mrrichardrichie 4 months ago
Oh lookie crazy people arguing over who has the better fantasy book. I vote for Harry Potter
Xatasha6611 4 months ago
i like the way muslims and christians fight..we sit and talk in peace.. :)
mzacky1 4 months ago
Maybe Mr. Muslim man should do a little more research on the death, burial, and resurrection, of the Son of God; and his releasing of the "Helper," the Holy Spirit, not Mohammed, (John 16:7). Also, with Jesus's coming to earth, is the beginning of the new covenant between God and man. "Love one another as you love yourself." The only thing Mr. Muslim man owns is a lack of understanding.
lawrencemac1 4 months ago
Shabir Allah mak الله معك
nasseromarlakers09 5 months ago
Shabir owns a lot of people...
thealishoaib 5 months ago
@thealishoaib Lol, this was only a partial debate.. This video doesn't prove anything... haha
spursell93 5 months ago
stupid christians they know that we cant debate with muslim cause they are on haq, but because of their arrogance they will deabte with muslim providing false understanding
ahmer1 5 months ago
christians always dance around the question, and come up with new explanations
gobuddyboy 5 months ago
...So you should trust the Bible when it says, Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I AM!" John 8:58... The Quran says that the Gospels are the inspired Word of God, and the Gospels say that Jesus IS God.. So in the long run the QURAN says Jesus is God. If the Quran says somewhere else that Jesus isn't God, then somehow the Quran is contradicting itself. I just want ya'll to know the Truth. Please go read the Gospel of John, its wrong for you to...
spursell93 6 months ago
@SirMuslim786 God never died, His physical body died, but His Spirit was still alive. Jesus Christ IS God. Here's a few scriptures I would like to share with all of you... He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. Surah 3:3 The Quran right here is saying that the Torah and the Gospels are from God Himself..
spursell93 6 months ago
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WHY MUSLIMS CANT BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD
2 Corinthians 4 '3'4
King James Version (KJV)
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
believeonetime 6 months ago
@SirMuslim786 You have to learn.
po0n3d 6 months ago
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Hey anyone here wants to debate the existence of Santa claus with me? I will prove he exist :D
kleb100 6 months ago
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kleb100 6 months ago
Stupid Christian
gobuddyboy 6 months ago
@gobuddyboy There are no stupid Christians! Just ignorant ones who just can't accept that the Bible is corrupt! Remember what the Quran says about Christians. "... nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say: "We are Christians:" because amongst these are men devoted to learning & men who have renounced the world, & they are not arrogant." Dr. Jacoby is a learned man & deserves respect like any other.
phoenixtango1974 6 months ago
Only the Almighty who created us all knows what is the truth. We believe by what we are taught in our churches because we thought it's true...yet the question is ----- HOW DO WE KNOW IT IS?
lovelyjane3 7 months ago
@lovelyjane3 when the holy ghost comes in he shows you the truth.and when he comes in you know who God is and there is no doubt.and if you havent experienced this I highly reccomend you pray for it.it was the best day of my life,and will be yours to.I will be praying for you and hope you give Jesus a chance.write me if interested. God bless
alpacoify 6 months ago
@alpacoify Thank you for your message. I agree with you, I am a christian believer actually and I've always believed Jesus all my life. Sometimes it's just confusing why so many other Gods... Does this aside from Jesus really do exist???
lovelyjane3 4 months ago
@lovelyjane3 God bless you sister.this is so true there are many false christs(gods)Jesus said this would happen many will come and there will be many false Christs.and its only getting worse.he also said that in the end they will almost deceive the elect.that just shows you how true his word is.I study alot of these so called religions and it just affirms my faith in Jesus.the devil is working overtime to deceive people.if you want to hear more send me a friend request and I could share more.
alpacoify 4 months ago
All earthly religions are man-made. Debating over mythologies is an immense waste of time.
revo1974 7 months ago
@revo1974 So is making retarded comments on YouTube, but you don't seem to have an objection on that.
tehninjadude 7 months ago
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Why is what he said 'retarded'?
Mattyb88ful 6 months ago
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christians make fun GOD themselves.
1."HE
IS IN EVERY WAY LIKE THE FATHER but he is not the Father"=this line states jesus is like GOD.
2.The Powerless "God" (Jesus) said: "I can of mine own self do nothing."
3.The Devil Tempted "God" For 40 Days: "And immediately the spirit driveth him
into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted
of Satan."
4.True God Cannot be Tempted With Evil: "God cannot be tempted with evil,
neither tempteth he any man."
hasan1995chelseafan 7 months ago
Dr. Douglas Jacoby goes on to say god is the final judge -when god doesn't judge you at all. -his counsel judges most souls and peter lets them in.
a1saouse 8 months ago
Its always a waste of time time debating a Christian. Since the qu'ran has been published NOT ONE WORD HAS CHANGED since the bible has been published it HAS CHANGED / EDITED ALL THE TIME. and these christians change it when ever they debate a Muslim-the Muslim makes christians wiser -they open the christians eyes. iT IS TO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MUSLIMS PRAY SEVERAL TIMES A DAY when the christians fight several times a day on you tube.-by the way christians -Allah is the translation of Dios =god
a1saouse 8 months ago
@a1saouse your wrong it's not waste of time when muslim debate christians but it;s waste of head talking to wall who try to make impression but cant reply.
hasan1995chelseafan 7 months ago
great job, Jacoby! way to defend Christianity. it just makes sense.
mclanna90 8 months ago
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That Verse is Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’
LogicTalk1 8 months ago
There is no Prophecy. All Prophecy has been faked by Jews.
DannyTheSeeker 8 months ago
Masha Alah good for you brother
Mr91179 9 months ago
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christian scolars always seem to not understand a certain question or quote .
( oow you talk about god or people or they say that depends on.... )
yeah right... that depends on how good you can lie and keep the lie strong hahaha
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ErinnE3 9 months ago
@ErinnE3
salaam akhi, you forgot one thing.. they just dont know their own stuff, they know the bible better than the christian scholars :) lol
Welle92 9 months ago
@Welle92 I have found that to be the truth as well.
ErinnE3 9 months ago
@ErinnE3 why use foul language
dontforgetwat 9 months ago
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Go Shabbir. Jacoby owned.
daneshjoo2011 9 months ago 19
pslam964 i dont know if you have seen reall debates of shabir ally dr zakir naik ahmed deedat when ever they debated they never had to use Quran to debate and prove bible Wrong simply bible it self is enough to prove it wrong. christian can assume 10 mistakes in Quran we will answer back with 100 from the bible if u choose 100 we will answer back with 1000 thousands cuz bible errors are thousandsd and thousands more like non stop errors. ur all questions can be given if a person knows Quran wel
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior The bible is not wrong-it is simply misunderstood by those who do not have God's Spirit within them.It takes divine help from God himself to understand the revelations given within.Without God we can do nothing.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 if the bible was misunderstood it wud have been missunderstood in few points cuz humans love to take few points out to make things fault and u should have answers for everything and it has to be logic answers. about the bible it has sooo many errors i swear i sit down all day i cant count it. i got plenty of examples of it you wana talk about bible we can discuss it and u can bring anyone in whoever u like cuz i m here to learn and understand.
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Who says we don't have answers-and illogical ones?Those who either don't understand,and those who don't want to understand.I would imagine that if I were to stand here and give you explanation after explkanation of things in the bible,you still wouldn't believe-is that correct?There is logic in christianity,and the bible.In fact,as we see your religion,it is illogical to us,because we have seen the truth,and the truth has indeed set us free......
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 i hope u cud explain me few verses here and one more thing i mite not be able to write all up here cuz i think youtube mite not let me write more cuz i been posting replies others so here u go explain me these 2 verses maththew 1;6 says that jesus was the son of david through solomon, but luke 3;31 says that he was the son of david through nathan whos correct??? on other hand he was born miraculously by virgin marry then how come he got genealogy which u can only have by a man
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior On the issue of the two genealogies-listen carefully......One of the charges of contradiction brought by skeptics against the Bible is the surface appearance of contradiction between Matthew’s genealogical list (1:1-17) and the one provided by Luke (3:23-38). As is always the case, the charge of contradiction is premature and reflects an immature appraisal of the extant evidence. In every case of alleged contradiction, further investigation has yielded.....
2peter11617 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior ..... additional evidence that exonerates the Bible and further verifies its inerrancy. The alleged discrepancies pertaining to Matthew and Luke’s genealogies were explained and answered long ago.First, Matthew reported the lineage of Christ only back to Abraham; Luke traced it all the way back to Adam. Second, Matthew used the expression “begat;” Luke used the expression “son of,” which results in his list being a complete reversal of Matthew’s......
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 secondly matthew got only 26 names and luke got 41 names so that doesnt make no sense how did one got more than the other when you ur self just contradict that bible shud be contained with same words as 2 kings and isaiah did but here both matthew and luke are going their way not just one way. 3rd how can jesus have genealogy when he was born of virgin. how come marry name is not there when she born him??? finaly u cant have genealogy frm mothers it shud be by fathers scientifically
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Third, the two genealogical lines parallel each other from Abraham to David. Fourth, beginning with David, Matthew traced the PATERNAL line of descent through Solomon; Luke traced the MATERNAL line through Solomon’s brother, Nathan.A fifth factor that must be recognized is that the two lines (paternal and maternal) link together in the intermarriage of Shealtiel and Zerubbabel. But the linkage separates again in the two sons of Zerubbabel—Rhesa and Abiud.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 ill give u example on few names on genealogy of david to jesus matthew says 1.solomon 2.roboam 3abaia 4.asa. 5.josaphat according to luke david 1.nathan 2.mattatha.3menan 4.melea 5 eliakim. they both are supose to be inspired of God they shud both know the same name but they only knothe first and last name david and jospeh i can make my own gospel and say the same david rest make my own names and say joseph and i can say according to me i was inspired by God. how will u disproof me?
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Finally,I take it you did not understand the explanation given regarding the genealogies.everything you need to know I gave you.You should study carefully what I wrote again........and honestly pray to the Lord,and ask Him to help you understand. =)
2peter11617 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior ....... Sixth, the two lines come together once again for a final time in the marriage of Joseph and Mary. Joseph was the end of the paternal line, while Mary was the last of the maternal line as the daughter of Heli.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior You say the bible has many errors,well,I disgree.If you have examples,go right ahead.I have examples why it is true.So-whatever route you want to take.Its fine by me.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 again 2 samuel 24 says the anger of the " Lord" was kindled against israel, and he moved david against them to say go number israel and judah but 1 chronicles 21 says and "satan" stood up against israel, and provoked david ot number israel so was it Lod the God or was it satan, cuz god cant command satan to do things or it will seem like god commanding satan to corrupt ppl and land. these are only 2 i got 100's contradiction on me, n plz explain me who did plagiarism of the chapters
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior On 2 Samuel 24/1 Chronicles 21 are also easy to explain.Please listen......Inerrancy in the bible does not mean every word in the bible is the same.Because God is creative(He is the Creator),He says the same thing in different ways,from different viewpoints,and at different times.Inspiration of scripture does not exclude diversity of expression.Many times,in the bible,the same story is told from different perspectives.This does not mean the bible is contradictory,though.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 yes that is what GOD means generator operator and destroyer. when God speaks of something he doesnt change his mind he will stick to it what he says, even if he has to say in a diff way the meaning shud be the same in the end. here 2 samuel is "lord" in 1 chronicles 21 is "satan" no where satan and God means the same no matter how much u try to explain me in diff prospective. GOd n satan dont do the same job as i said before one try to destroy u n God tries to protect u v simple
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Satan stood up against Israel....means that Israel disobeyed God,because Satan had deceived them and led them astray.This caused the anger of the Lord to be aroused against Israel.SO-both authors tell the same story,just from different perspectives.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 and what is the diff perspective? i asked the same question from a diff christian his answer was lord orderd satan and then satan prvoked david in that case both provked him. every christian got a diff answer but no logical again and again you guys are missing that God and satan dont work togather, and they dont do samethings they got diff personalities. if one astray you the other brings u to the light in this case both are doing the same job. which cannot be the word of God
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior .....Satan to do this.Very simple,you see...........next,the meanings are not changed.I do not know what you are referencing,perhaps the last scripture we discussed.Either way,different perspectives are due to different writers of the bible,and yet they do convey the same meanings throughout scripture.Yet another proof of the validity of the bible as God's word.But ofcourse,unless you believe,you will not see it.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 again and again any one on this page who have enough undersstanding would know what God does satan cant do it. satan doesnt have that much power over God to take his kingdom but God has the power to take satan's kingdom. 2 diff personalities does not share the same platform smart person knows that. God simply will protect u from fire and satan certainly will put u in fire. God always gave u laws to follow satan always astray u from it. they will never be on same platform in speaking
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior No,Satan does not have as much power as God.Only what we allow him to have.If someone gives in to him,then they give him free reign until that person repents......Secondly,God and satan NEVER share the same platform.You are misunderstanding what I am saying.The message is hidden from you.If only you would believe,you would see and God would lead you into all truth.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Satan is a deceiver-and Muslims are deceived,my friend.Salvation is only through faith in Jesus Christ,and the grace that God gives in return.Salvation was bought on the cross for all the world to see.That is God's message to the world-the one and only message,revealed by jesus-the one you claim to revere.And yet you reject His message.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 either 2 king 19 copied from isaiah 37 or isaiah coppied 2 king " 2 king 19 vs isaiah 37" copied word to word so who copied who let me know. bible shud be pure word of God no man shud be writting anything st john 19;35 it seems some1 else writing something behalf of him can u explain me whos this " he" that saw and "his" saith. it doesnt seems jhon tlking writting that even in john 21;24 this is the diciple which testifieth of these things and wrote those things and "we" know.. we??
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior In reference to the copying of Scripture.......first of all,when one writer of the bible uses a qoute from another,it shows us the continuity of scripture.Jesus qouted the Old testament,as did the Apostles.It is actually one of the proofs of the bible,that Scripture does indeed go together,and is inerrant.Hope that helps to answer some of your questions.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 where in the bible did jesus quoted anything from the entire chapter word to word??? anything that he jesus Quoted non of christian follows that example"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." Mark 12:29 anything which were Gods commandment jesus repeated to the jews. secondly 2 kings and isiah both are containing in the old testament. so y repeating? i wud say its cuz not the word of God. only a diff of 11 chapters after 10 chap of 2 kings its isaiah ppl cudnt read b4???
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Where in the bible does Jesus qoute OT scripture?#1 During the temptation in the desert,recoreded in Matthew 4,Mark 1:12,13,Luke 4, #2 Matthew 13:14 , #3 Matthew 15:7-9, #4 Mark 7:6,7, #5 Luke 4:17-21...........
2peter11617 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Is there anything Jesus qouted regarding who God is?Plenty of times(but I am giving you one example relevant to your question):JOHN 14:8,9 8Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 exactly this is what moses asked to his lord show me ur face u know what God says in OT but,he (God) said you cannot see my face, for no 1 may see me and live exodus 33;20. 1 john 4;12 no1 has ever seen God but if we love 1another God lives in us, that is what jesus him self ment to follow my commandments. no where jesus said if u worship me. n u will be gone to heaven. if there was anyway to convince anyone jesus had to say if u see me u seen the father cuz jews always troubled
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Jesus was the Son of Man,and the Son of God-----John 1 explains 1 John 4,for it is the same author.John 1:18 No one has ever seen God;the only GOD,who is at the Father's side(that is Jesus,who is at the Father's side)he has made him known.Again,the mystery of God,revealed to those who believe.Ofcourse you do not understand,for it has not been given to Muslims to understand.He who has seen the Son has seen the Father(John 14:8,9).
2peter11617 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Nowhere does jesus say worship me?When He said He was the 'I AM,'in John 8:58,He is likening Himself to Jehovah God of exodus 3:14.Muslims are incorrect when they say Jesus never said to worship him.Many times,in the bible,men actually did worship Him,and Jesus NEVER rebuked them.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 i ll send you email its bit longer if we muslim didnt understand those verses i m gonna send you then that mean no one will ever gona understand it neither muslims nor any non muslim its gonna be bit longer take ur time and read and c it to your self that if any other than jesus who talked about jesus make sence or is it jesus words are supose to be heavy front of others, cuz no where jesus claimed to be God only john luke and mathew claimed it so read the email n reply me then bro
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Never got the e-mail.......where is it?
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 i just sent you bro i replied you here before i sent you the email it was prity long so took me abit time to write up all that
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Got it.....and I have sent my replies.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior In answer to why there is a 2 Kings,and why there is Isaiah,both books have distinctive purpose:2 KINGS-2 Kings continues the saga of disobedience begun in 1 Kings,opening about 850 BC with the conclusion of Elijah's prophetic ministry in Israel and the beginning of the work of his successor,Elisha.Israel spiraled downward in faithlessness,ultimately being defeated and dispersed by the Assyrians in 722...........
2peter11617 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Judah,the southern kingdom,had several kings who trusted God and attempted reform.But after many years of God's warnings through Isaiah and other prophets,Judah's sins were punished by Babylonian conquest starting in 605 and ultimately in the fall of Jerusalem in 586.The people were exiled to Babylon for seventy years,as prophecied by Jeremiah(Jeremiah 29:10).God remained faithful to his covenant despite his people's faithlessness.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior ISAIAH- Isaiah focuses on the prophetic ministry of Isaiah himself,who prophecied about 740-700 BC.He lived during the decline of Israel,speaking the word of God to a people who were "deaf and blind"(6:10).He warned that the sin of the people of Judah would bring God's judgement.Yet he also declared that God is sovereign and would use the Persians to return the people from exile.There are also many Messianic prophecies spoken by Isaiah,referring to Jesus Christ.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 theres no doubt that there were prophecies about jesus the christ. we also have to think about it theres not only isaiah whos prophecies were written in the bible. there were moses there was jeremiah, exm jeremiah 8,8 he prophcies on jews corrupting the law, moses declare the same b4 his death corrupting the bible but if u look at john 5;40 jesus him self said moses mentioned about him, but question is as a God? did jesus in john said i came as a God to earth or in the name of God?
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Did Jesus say He came as God,otr in the name of God-the answer-both.jesus said two things about himself-that He was the Son of Man and the Son of God.You can see it numerous times,and the only conclusion one can come to,is that He was both.As the Son of Man,a servant,as the Son of God,God in the flesh.Why do you think the Jews killed him(John 5:18)?
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 when we recite Quran on every chpater we read in the name of God the most beneficent and most merciful, if i m saying that in the name of God i m here or reading these laws to u does that mean we are God's ?? no christian ever understood y jesus was sent again after prophet moses. with the same messages as jesus himself said i did not come to destroy the law of prophets but to filfull, and they r 10 commandments. if its not that then this verse is being corrupt for not teling truth
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior The bible is written by the ones Jesus taught HIMSELF! The quran was written by a man who at times,wasn't even sure if he was hearing the voice of God.He never met Jesus,never talked with him,never ate with him,never walked with him......and you expect me to believe him over the ones Jesus himself taught?Not much logic in that,I'm afraid.If you think his disciples were wrong,then you must think Jesus was a poor teacher indeed,that he couldn't even teach his students correctly?
2peter11617 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior In answer to the question,2 Kings gives an overall view of the nation of Israel during that time,as well as a history,while isaiah focuses on the prophet Isaiah himself.There are many things written in Isaiah that were not written in 2 Kings......next question.....the different perspective is this(and it is very logical if you stop and think about it):Satan provoked Israel to number the people-the other side of this,is God became angry with Israel,because Israel allowed...
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 so u r saying israel wanted to be numbered by God then they allowed satan to do the same? my question will stil remain the same a bout 2 chapters word to word r the same, no where God would give u inspiration with exact same words as he has given to last prophet. same message and same words they are 2 diff things, if it was about the same message then God cant run out of words n give the same wording to another prophet, i m asking question on behalf of bible cuz it makes me confuse
786islamicwarrior 9 months ago
@786islamicwarrior Ofcourse you are confused,and you will always be confused regarding God,the bible and Christianity,unlkess you believe.Its the way God works-He honors faith.If you do not have the faith to believe,then God will not reveal it to you.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 where does your faith disappear to, when Jesus speaks about the coming of Mohamed.
a1saouse 8 months ago
@786islamicwarrior That is truth.......you can accept it or reject it.The choice is yours.
2peter11617 9 months ago
psalm964 9 months ago
Non Muslim / Non-Christian who thinks Shabir Ally wiped the floor with this pagan.
smartwarlord 9 months ago
There is only one truth of god that leads to salvation! Salvation is exclusive,not all inclusive.Exclusive to those who put their faith in the Son of God-Jesus Christ our Lord!
philemon4thecross 9 months ago
psalm964 9 months ago
Dr. Jacoby got spanked by Shabir real good.
Gothbdsm 9 months ago
Would you be free from your burden of sin?
There's power in the Blood - - Power in the Blood
Would you o'er evil a victory win?
There's wonderful power in the Blood
There is Power, Power wonder working power
In the (Precious) Blood of the Lamb
Would you be free from your passion and pride?
There's power in the Blood -- Power in the Blood
psalm964 9 months ago
@psalm964 Giving power to blood sounds like heathen religion to me. The soul is more important a bodily fluid that carries oxygen, nutrients and waste products.
Gothbdsm 9 months ago
@Gothbdsm The soul is invisible,and cannot be seen,lives eternally,and needs none of the things you have said.......God has used the blood of his only Son,Jesus Christ,in his infinite wisdom,to be the sacrifice for the sins of the world.It has nothing to do with pagan sacrifices to false gods.It has to do with the one sacrifice paid for all,to the one and only living God-Jehovah!
psalm964 9 months ago
@psalm964 Our calling and election are sure,brother(2 Peter 1:3-15),We are not following a myth,but are following what was taught by those who were eyewitnesses of Jesus' life,death and resurrection(2 Peter 1:16).Many false prophets and teachers have arose in these last and evil days,who have brought destructive teachings-those such as the followers of Muhammed(2 Peter 2:1).
2peter11617 9 months ago
@psalm964 These false prophets bring swift destruction upon themselves,and many will follow them,and because of them,the way of truth has been blasphemed(2 Peter 2:2).They will be condemned by the Lord for their false words,and their destruction will most assuredly come(2 Peter 2:3).For if God did not spare the angels who sinned(demons),if he did not spare those who lived in the ancient world who turned against him and yet saved the righteous,then surely God knows how to rescue the godly.
2peter11617 9 months ago
@2peter11617 AMEN!
psalm964 9 months ago
@psalm964 Surely,the truth is evident to them,and yet they deny it,and deny the truth of who Jesus is(Romans 1:20).One day,every knee will bow to Jesus,in heaven and on earth,and every tongue will confess Jesus Christ is Lord,to the glory of God the Father(Philippians 2:9-11).It is not a question of IF you will bow-it is a question of WHEN you will bow.Will you bow to Jesus as Lord NOW,or after you die,and you await judgement from the eternal Father?
2peter11617 9 months ago
@psalm964 God wouldn't kill himself to answer to himself. That is totally nonsensical. The soul is supposed to be precious and eternal, where as blood is a bodily transit system.
Gothbdsm 9 months ago
God wouldn't kill himself to answer to himself. That is totally nonsensical. The soul is supposed to be precious and eternal, where as blood is a bodily transit system.
Again,you try to out think God.......the Lord does not need us to figure out what is logical or not.What are we but flesh and blood-His creation?So,you again say you know more than God.That is the Muslim argument,right?It has to be logical to the human brain to be true?That is saying you don't need God-that you trust in....
psalm964 9 months ago
@psalm964 I guess reason is to abandoned to be a Christian.
Gothbdsm 9 months ago
@Gothbdsm God does not go against reason-he is above it. :)
psalm964 9 months ago
@psalm964 God gave us reason for a variety of purposes.
Gothbdsm 9 months ago
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@Gothbdsm God does not go against reason-he is above it.
psalm964 9 months ago
@Gothbdsm I have come to find that since I have become a christian,God has helped me to understand a lot of things,and a lot of things that did not make sense to me before,now do.
psalm964 9 months ago
@psalm964 Such as?
Gothbdsm 9 months ago
@Gothbdsm Such as why God had to die for our sins.Such as why we are empty in our souls,before Christ comes in.Such as what is the purpose of our lives.Such as why humanity is the way it is.Those,to name a few.....
psalm964 9 months ago
@psalm964 I've also read several books by rabbis and Jewish scholars to explain why they reject the doctrine of The Original Sin, The Trinity, Jesus' divinity and his death to redeem mankind. Their arguments are almost identical to what most Islamic debaters point out to Christians.
Gothbdsm 9 months ago
@Gothbdsm Attacking christianity without defending Islam does not help your point.You still have not answered the question.Most of the time,when a Muslim is confronted with something wrong in their religion,they change the subject.Is that what you are going to do?Do you want to know the truth,or do you just simply want to"be right"in your own eyes?Answer my question,and I will answer yours.
psalm964 9 months ago
@psalm964 Actually you changed the subject first, doing exactly what you accused me of.
Gothbdsm 9 months ago
@Gothbdsm Oh,really?And,how is that?Or perhaps you are stalling for time?Still waiting for an answer......
psalm964 9 months ago
@Gothbdsm Let's go to a third point-Muslims claim Muhammed is a prophet,and yet he has NEVER prophecied anything that has actually come to pass.So-how can he be considered a prophet,if he has not proven himself to be one?#4 How can Muslims claim to believe in the words of Jesus written in the bible,and yet claim the bible is flawed?If the bible is flawed,as they say,then the words of Jesus would have to be flawed as well.So-that means they truly do NOT believe the words Jesus spoke,as they claim
psalm964 9 months ago
@Gothbdsm Maybe I am going too fast.You have not answered the first two questions yet......so I will continue to wait for some more 'logic.'
psalm964 9 months ago
@Gothbdsm Or perhaps it is not a question and it is simply a statement.Either way-you have not answered the question.You Muslims believe what you believe,because it is what your parents,or your Imam have told you.We christians believe what we believe,because God reveals himself to us.Big difference. =)
psalm964 9 months ago
@psalm964 I believe what I believe by choice. My maternal side was mostly Christian. My paternal side Muslim. I was raised around people of many other faiths such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Judaism and Native American spirituality.
Gothbdsm 9 months ago
@Gothbdsm I believe by choice as well.......my parents were christian,but I rebelled and became a satanist.That is ,until I came to my senses and God saved me.Well,if that is what you have chosen,what else can I say?It is your choice-we have been given free will by God to make that choice.
psalm964 9 months ago
@psalm964 I been exposed to many religions to make a fair comparison. I could never accept concepts such as the Original Sin or the Trinity. The only Christian denominations I could ever have some agreement with would be Unitarians/Christian monotheists.
Gothbdsm 7 months ago
@Gothbdsm
"I could never accept concepts such as the Original Sin or the Trinity."
But you can accept ridiculous in Islam like eternal damnation, life being a test and et cetera?
Mattyb88ful 6 months ago
@Mattyb88ful Rofl, eternal damnation? To keep a long answer short, Muslims pay their price and still go to heaven. But I'm completely dumbfounded when you say eternal damnation like it's not something in your religion, don't Muslims go to hell according to you? And life being a test means it's a test- what else can it mean rofl. I'm completely amazed you understand trinity math and people being born with sins they didn't commit but not understand that life isn't a test. Wait you're Christian
saifulisfree 6 months ago
@saifulisfree
No, I am an atheist. And, yes, the concept of eternal damnation is ridiculous. It's grossly unjust.
SImilarly, the idea that life is a test, which would require free will, conflicts with the claim there exists an all-knowing, all-powerful god who created everything.
Mattyb88ful 6 months ago
Rofl sure, I guess it's also safe to say eternal unlimited pleasure is overly just (heaven) haha you atheist are climbing up the wrong tree. Similarly we have free will and we make choices, it's in the power of God to know what choices we will make before we make them- Hence destiny. Now get this, you make your choices (free will), God already knows what choices you'll make (destiny). Is that so hard for a cromag with a 300 cc capacity nugget to understand?
saifulisfree 6 months ago
@saifulisfree
"eternal unlimited pleasure"
Yes, that's also unjust.
"you make your choices... God already knows what choices you'll make"
If god created everything and he is all-knowing how can his creation decide something independent of that god?
"figured everything out by hearing other regurgitated arguments of other nut-jobs."
That's rich, coming from a Muslim, almost all of whom have merely inherited their religion from their parents.
Mattyb88ful 6 months ago
@Mattyb88ful Rofl here's a little math for you buddy: you do wrong eternal punishment, you do right eternal pleasure= balanced. Secondly, you failed to read what I wrote about destiny and freewill. Your main flaw is considering from a linear time line- God is not bounded to time. Hence your brain which functions in this dimension of space and time can't fathom anything higher than what it's bound to. Again you can make all the choices you'd like (freewill) but before you make them God knows.
saifulisfree 6 months ago
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@saifulisfree
"you do wrong eternal punishment"
Where is the balance between finite sins and infinite punishment?
"Again you can make all the choices you'd like (freewill) but before you make them God knows."
God can't be all-knowing if you're able to make a decision independent of this god.
Mattyb88ful 6 months ago
@Mattyb88ful Lastly, glad you bought that point up. I didn't inherit this religion from my parents. Everyone is born Muslim naturally. Learn the fundamental teachings of an ideology before you pose to be a professor delivering a lecture. My parents (Thank God) were Muslim, and (Thank God) therefore I am Muslim- I agree. They taught me the fundamentals, all these arguments I use against you were developed on my own from research, study, and contemplation. So for a second climb down your tree.
saifulisfree 6 months ago
@saifulisfree
"Everyone is born Muslim naturally."
That's just your religious belief.
Mattyb88ful 6 months ago
@Mattyb88ful Muslims - One who submits to God. If you're going to debate a Muslim, it's understood you debate on his term. Samr if you debate a Christian, atheist, or Jew.
saifulisfree 6 months ago
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@saifulisfree
"God. If you're going to debate a Muslim, it's understood you debate on his term."
If you're going to claim that 'everyone is born Muslim naturally' then you must provide EVIDENCE!
Mattyb88ful 6 months ago