The Battle of Fort George - Canada's Greatest Summer Job

[burnticeblues]

funny but as a brit. i doubt 90% of people here know anything about the war of 1812 beyond the music... 

[KakashiKyle9]

@burnticeblues isnt it about tea time now.Shoo

[yugster78]

the war of 1812 was a war between Canaida and the USA every British soldier was fighting Napoleon at that time!

[ZOEWUWUANGIE]

why are they standing there like stupid???

[jmcfintona999]

@maxiboy666 hows it feel to be on the other side?

[MrProductionK]

i've been here its now a tourist area

[MrProductionK]

the british were the bad guys and usa was good beacuse british caused many problems like the blockade

[NGC773]

@MrProductionK Funny

[Ofthehouseofbeards]

@MrProductionK "the british were the bad guys and usa was good beacuse british caused many problems like the blockade"

That is a very elementary school view of things. You need to open up your views and see that there were problems caused on both sides. In war, there is rarely such a clear distinction between the good guys and the bad guys. If you think there is try telling the Canadian farmers who had their property burned and good stolen that the Americans were the good guys.

[JInks232]

"Honey, If they start bombing the fort, the place I want you to hide is where we keep a ton of explosives. By the way dear please make sure you bring the kid with you.. Trust me, my darling, hiding next to pile of Ka-boom powder is the safest place to be during an attack"

[fasteddyuk]

It's nice to hear the British/Canadian soldier talk of FREEDOM. From American rhetoric, you'd think that the USA was the only country to enjoy it.

[Clee4000]

That is sad he was almost close to get his wife and daughter.

[316bluethunder]

I dont know who the choctaw were...according to the shameful history of America they pretty much killed and butchered everyone.And there are no navajo in Canada.All these tribes you mention are from the States except for the Huron and Iroquoise.

[vespaUK125]

@316bluethunder If you are replying to me, then in answer my point is that First Nation Indians are not saints, they have in both the US and Canada committed atrocities on each other and whites, The Navajo and Apache originated in Canada and migrated south and snatched land from the resident tribes,killed those that stood in the way, sounds familiar doesn't it ?

[316bluethunder]

@vespaUK125 the largest tribe in Canada are the Cree,and of course to be this large as with any other empire attrocities were and had to be commited.There are plains of which were with the French in the French war with Louise Riel,there are the woodlands swampy and the Sea Cree which had access to England for trade with better weapons and had an anvantage over their enemies of which are still crying over their losses with the cree.And I would be the Sea Cree.I have never heard of t

[316bluethunder]

@vespaUK125 I have never heard of the apache to be in Canada they are halfway across the continent by mexico.I am refering to Northern Canada by the Hudson Bay at Fort York.The Navajo are at the middle of the United States.In between these areas there are multiple tribes just as you would in Europe with other Nationalities with different tribes.

[vespaUK125]

@316bluethunder The Apaches and Navajo originated in Canada and managed to migrate south through all the tribal lands, they must have had a falling out in their homeland and were driven away, they spoke the same language as the Athabaskan language group as the tribes that live in North Western Canada.

[316bluethunder]

@vespaUK125 we already knew that the dene are the same as navajo.Not all tribes are the same, upon contact there was no warfare with some tribes.Most people when they hear Natives automatically its Hollywood cowboys and Indians.There were some tribes that had relationships with exlporers traders and built an economy with England and prospered on both sides.Made each other lives easier and better as in helping each other.

[Salvus967]

1:07 I'm Canadian but I'm sorry to say, but this is a bit of propaganda. It tries to suggest that this British redcoat is an early Canadian. While I am not saying that no British redcoats ever retired in Canada and made a family and future here.. I am saying that probably the majority of them in thier own lives returned to Britain after thier discharge from the British Army, or were re-stationed to other parts of the British Empire, along with thier families.

[IkKomUitNoordIerland]

It is impossible to dislike Canada.

[316bluethunder]

Just where are the Natives on this great War of 1812,how come no one mentions them along with Laura Secord.If it was not for Native Allies England would have lost the war of 1812 on the Canadian side.The Canadian army was outnumbered outgunned outmanned thanks to the Natives that HELPED save the Empire on the Canadian side.

[vespaUK125]

@316bluethunder The Indians had their own agenda which happens to coincide with the British, so they sided with them against other tribes who sided with the Americans, its not so clear cut a shistory makes it out to be, there is no such thing as a clean war......

[316bluethunder]

@vespaUK125 historical records were written on it ,its not some random story or by accident.The Americans had no allies as they slaughtered prretty much all of them and were going to do the same with the Brittish and the Natives.Of course the French had their allies as well.

[vespaUK125]

@316bluethunder The American had the Cherokees, Chocataw and Creek Indians on their side, you also have the Huron V Iroquois rivalry, it wasn't all peace and love between Indian tribes before the whites came along, even now the Navajo who came down to SW USA from Canada in the 1400s are still robbing Hopi land, this is now going through the courts, all Tribes has their own agenda and was hope to gain from defeating their enemies, land, women, wealth, not different from us really

[316bluethunder]

@vespaUK125 nice chatting with an Englishman there was always trade and commerce with the English.

[Cordeman]

The American Revolution was never viewed as a war by Britain. The colonists were our own people.

. The American revolution was not started by the colonists, it was incited by those who financed it for their own ends, and run it today no matter which political party they put in. (pay some low life to hid in the bushes and open fire on a peaceful protest, draw blood, and you can ignite any conflict. It's an old, old, trick, used today)

[Piratenflagge1]

"I told my wife to hide in the powder magazine if anything were to happen".

[mikedonn71]

OK. Here's an interesting what-if. What if Andrew Jackson had been president in 1825, and the British had decided to invade the US at that point? What do you think the outcome would have been? Remember that Andrew Jackson was a total psychopath that had the fanatical loyalty of the entire US military and the great majority of American citizens outside of New England. Would the British have taken back New England? Interesting scenario I think.

[Piratenflagge1]

@mikedonn71

Well, first and foremost, he'd become extremely pissed off then get into a fist fight.

[Tony2438]

@mikedonn71 The British were not interested in talking back the 13 colones in 1812 there had Washington and buried it down and then left

[mikedonn71]

2:22 Look at the bellies on most of the US troops. See all the gray hairs?

[mikedonn71]

Huzzah for James Madison and the United States of America. Actually it is amazing that a bunch of overweight 50 year olds would've chosen to invade upper Canada. I can see why the Americans got tired and worn out, even before the battle started.

[GCmediacourse]

Best Renactment Video Ever !!! Good Job

[artstudent07]

So the yankies started it, says why we the British surpported the Confederacy..

[pbandj098]

I do 2 a year

[pbandj098]

same with Fort Erie

[CSAmerican]

5:10

CAMPER!!!!

[severedtesticles]

@RazorCell7 The British regulars who put Washington to the torch were all veterans from the Napoleonic war....NOT from Upper Canada. Parliament for Upper Canada was in York and was bunred by US troops.

Your move.

[ExtremeCombustion]

I went there, got to shoot Americans

[TheIceman567]

@Superglue1989 "american wanted to invade Canada, Canada is not part of the United States, seems like Canada won to me? Is not the point of defending your nation to well, defend it? PS the white house BURNED BURNED BURNED and we're the ones who did it!" Well even as you also said " Many of those British soldiers settled in Canada" Still would make them British not Canadian. In your statement you never once said say " that "British North American" later to be known as Canada, IS NOT AMERICAN".

[MegaWolfgang]

@TheIceman567 As a Canadian I am always reminding people especially Americans when talking about the war of 1812, We were the the British back then. So were the Americans before 1776. We were one people fighting a 7 year war against Frances North American colonies. In 1776 many of Brit colonies rebelled and became the USA, The revolution created the US Identity. The war of 1812 created the Canadian Identity. Two young nations whom started as enemies later to become friends and allies. Astounding

[LesageMathieu]

@MegaWolfgang What happens when you're on the french side of history?

[MegaWolfgang]

@LesageMathieu that was decided in 1759. France lost. The British though were very generous victors, allowing french culture to continue and thrive. In fact one of the reasons the french king decided to help the 13 rebellious colonies in 1778 was to hopefully regain Quebec. They still had Louisiana, Napoleon sold that to the United States just before he invaded Russia.

[LesageMathieu]

@MegaWolfgang Yup, very generous. Like with the acadians.

[MegaWolfgang]

@LesageMathieu It could have been much worse. France lost the 7 years war, The British could have been a lot more heavy handed. Remember British North America wasn't just upper Canada and Newfoundland at that time but also all 13 American colonies as well.

[mikecrid]

@MegaWolfgang No Louisiana was ceded to Spain in 1763 and returned to France just in time for Napoleon to sell it in 1804.

[MegaWolfgang]

@mikecrid Learn something new every day. I had no idea Louisiana was ceded to Spain in 1763? Do you know the reason for this and how and why it was returned to France? Did the 7 years war have anything to do with it? thank you in advance.

[Rensuke1]

@MegaWolfgang Close minus Britain being "generous victors." They were only allowed to keep their culture out of fear that the Quebecois would rebel upon success of the American Revolution.

[broadband01]

@MegaWolfgang you are right mate,the canadians and americans were actually british back then,a lot of people dont realise this,,rule britannia my canadian bretheren and hoorah to the grenadiers :O)

[Mikelovesham90]

@MegaWolfgang I kinda wish we had never left the family sometimes i wonder how the world would've turned out if we stayed part of the British empire U.S and Canada would likely be the same countrys lol

[MegaWolfgang]

@Mikelovesham90 Yep. Or if the rest of the colonies had joined the revolution? The map of North America at least would be quite different.

[3dwardcullen69]

@Mikelovesham90 The border is imaginary anyway. The only noticeable difference between USA and Canada is the picture on our coins and a few policies, other than that, we're the same.

[greenman92553]

@3dwardcullen69

NO, not true. Canadians are more humane people.

Americans are very violent and brute

[3dwardcullen69]

@greenman92553 thanks for the compliment. But I think it largely depends on the state. Make no mistake, there are a lot of ignorant people in Canada as well.

[Yeowie69]

@greenman92553 That's not a Generalisation at all.

[BizzLeVrai]

@MegaWolfgang as me sir

I live at Chateauguay At the road of the colonel of Salabery.

I am Canadien and proud of it.

Je me souvien and Quebecois forget their history!

[Wildcat425B]

@MegaWolfgang Well put. I'm glad the American-Canadian pissing match of old is a thing of the past. It turns out that Canada is essentially North America's Russia. What I mean is don't fuck with Canada in the winter.

[Ofthehouseofbeards]

@TheIceman567 Actually Canada did exist, not as an independant state but as the colonies. It was collectively known at British North America but two of the colonies were known as upper and lower Canada. Canadian companies were refered to in the war of 1812 such as the "Canadian Grenadier Company" "Canadian Light Dragoons" "Voltegeurs Canadiens" "Canadian Volunteers". Though Canada didn't exist during the war as an independant state the identity existed.

[severedtesticles]

@TheIceman567 Correction...Washington DC did indeed burn, but it was British regulars who did the burning. Not a single Canadian militia man was present. You also conveniently left out the fact the the Americans sacked and burned York (now Toronto) and won the last several major land battles of the War of 1812 in a rather decisive manner. The USA didn't surrender, bot sides sought peace. The war was really a draw.

[1MagicAndMayhem1]

@severedtesticles Indeed, And lucky for the U.S As historians of both sides to the Atlantic have already agreed that had another ten years passed, The full weight of an already victorious british empire would of been turned on the USA

[darrin42]

@1MagicAndMayhem1 Aye the US rebelled against Britain at the perfect point in history. Had that revolution begun against the British Empire of the 19th Century things would have been very different....makes you wonder.

[kepler1000]

@1MagicAndMayhem1

I guess that is why Wellington said the British should make peace with the U.S. because it was a war the British could not win.

[MegaWolfgang]

@kepler1000 But they did win. Canada remained part of the British Empire, U.S. invasion was defeated. Britain had no desire to re rule the 13 colonies which rebelled 20 years before. They knew once nationhood was achieved, it could never be taken away. Thus what the revolution did to establish the American identity, the war of 1812 did for the Canadian Identity. Those two wars are reason for the existence of two great countries today.

[1MagicAndMayhem1]

@kepler1000 Wellington said a war with victory or defeat would not be justified or worth the time and resources needed to win it, , If you didnt know Wellington already said if it needs to be done, He would do it, But only under specific circumstances, Dont be a fool, And be happy that history turned out as it was,

[MegaWolfgang]

@TheIceman567 I wasn't to many years before this that you were British too. Before the Revolution we were all Britains north American colonies. Fought a seven year war against Frances north American colonies. The revolution created the American identity. The war of 1812 created the Canadian identity. Our history's are so intertwined its fascinating how things worked out and two enemies would become friends and allies.

[TheIceman567]

@MegaWolfgang No I agree 100% with you. This war shaped Canada to what she is today. As one British soldier said after the war "What was meaning of killing someone with very close kinship". This war was a stalemate. I love Canada and Britain but you have to understand some moron's do cross that line. I've been to Canada many times lovely place friendly people. And I'm glad Canada is a ally or Brother if you will like. As JFK said "Economics has made us partners, Necessity has made us allies."

[TheIceman567]

@Love4SK congratz USA on winning 1812

[TheIceman567]

Video proves it.

[Ofthehouseofbeards]

@TheIceman567 All that this video proves is that the Americans won this battle. If winning a battle won wars then Germany would have won WWII, the Americans would have lost their war of independance, the Confederate states would have won the civil war. The war was a stalemate at least, a British victory at best. Did the US declare war or did Britain? Did British North America exist after the war?

[TheIceman567]

@Ofthehouseofbeards Yeah Well i hate to break it to you but the US won more battles then the British the US navy Killed the Royal Navy. And the US at Ghent got fishing right in the Gulf of St. Gulf of Saint Lawrence. And Held on to more Parts of Canada. While the british held only 3 parts of the US.

[Ofthehouseofbeards]

@TheIceman567 Very interesting. This is definitely new information to me. I would love to know where you found this information. Could you please cite your sources? What were the goals of the US in the war? How many did they accomplish?

[TheIceman567]

@Ofthehouseofbeards Easy One i come from Niagara two it's called a history book. And three Reading the termns of Ghant kid. I hope that helped.

[TheIceman567]

@TheIceman567 Terms*

[Ofthehouseofbeards]

@TheIceman567 Geographical location does not equal historical knowledge. History books are different. The ones I have read do not mention this information. This is why I'm asking for you to cite your source. I didn't see the information on the fishing rights in the treaty. I used the document as cited by the Christian Alliance for Indian Children Welfare as my reference for the treaty of Ghent.

[TheIceman567]

@Ofthehouseofbeards hell you can even fin it on wikiapedia.

[Ofthehouseofbeards]

@TheIceman567 Ah yes, Wikipedia. The source of all accurate and pure information. I'll give you a chance to take back that citation before I let you know that wikipedia mentions that the result of the war was a stalemate. It also states that neither side gained or lost territory and it didn't address the origional contentions. Care to try again?

[TheIceman567]

@Ofthehouseofbeards Sure Do.....

[TheIceman567]

@Ofthehouseofbeards I sent you the link. If anybody else wants it let me know. I know my facts.

[Ofthehouseofbeards]

@TheIceman567 Yes, the link you sent me is the same one I used to explain that neither side gained or lost territory from one another, nor were the original points of contention addressed. Wikipedia is NOT an academically reliable source. I counter with it when it is referenced but I prefer to deal with books and journal articles.

[MrStig691]

@TheIceman567 Sorry completely wrong. The Brits sure as heck won more battles. Their navy maintained its blockade of the US, far more US ships and prizes were taken, and in ship-to-ship, the brits were on top. The only successful US warship, USS Constitution, was largely manned by British deserters.

[severedtesticles]

@MrStig691 Sorry, you're right about the blockades but in ship to ship battles the Americans (surprisingly) came out on top in most engagements.

[TheIceman567]

No Americans won this war.

[TheIceman567]

No Americans won this war.

[mwillis1000]

Britain won this war!

[Danno0618]

he did a funny american accent

[Danno0618]

the main guy, who is in the red coat is the guy who does the musket demonstrations

[biokant]

Whao! if that's Canada's Greatest Summer Job I just can't imagine what the worst would be like...

[cartoonman12345]

@biokant its actualy not a bad job just the fact of wearing the wool coats all day

[nmat85]

The powder magazine was the safest place in the fort

[stuffyfightr]

I told my wife to hide in the powder magazine if anything were to happen.

 WTF DOES THAT MEAN

[khamulshadow]

@stuffyfightr lol During the actual battle the retreating Brits blew up the powder magazines. Given the destruction wrought by the demolition of the Grand Magazine at Fort York in 1813, he apparently wanted to get rid of his marital attachment.

[poopchuncks]

@khamulshadow too bad the powder mag at fort george is original cuz nobody blew it up

[khamulshadow]

@poopchuncks From Dearborn's official report: "our batteries succeeded in rendering fort George untenable; and, when the enemy had been beaten from his positions, and found it necessary to re-enter it , after firing a few guns, and setting fire to the magazines, which soon exploded..."

[antred11]

@khamulshadow Yeah, kind of a weird place to seek shelter. Also, why he was he so worried about his family having to hide from the Americans? I mean they weren't exactly going to rape and slaughter the women and children, right?

[khamulshadow]

@antred11 Things got a little out of hand along the Niagara border in 1813-14, just like the comments on this youtube video. By 1814, civilians were getting shot in Buffalo, NY by Brits, and earlier in the war looting, getting drunk and setting fires seemed to be the American way of winning hearts and minds. Ironically, many of the settlers along the Canadian side of the border were American immigrants and were regarded with suspicion by the Brits.

[Benzito9999]

Excellent humanization of a battle 200 years past. Great job Cainan!

[TheIceman567]

@Benzito9999 Yeah i agree :)