Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell.....they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped...every women beaten...every person murdered...every deceitful business deal...every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism!!
Why do many of you have to use big words to impress others,we are not impressed,Calvinism is the Bible,and Salvation is of the Lord,did you choose Him or did He choose you?,If you want to be the author of your salvation,give it a shot,you choose Him,you save yourself,and while your at it,enjoy the Glory you think you have,that only God demands and deserves,put all the theology aside and get a grip God Saves,Him and Him alone,and I for one are thankful for that-Praise God!!
@bobcaldwell No big words - the bible teaches that man can't save himself, unless God intervened by providing Christ as a substitute sacrifice then his condition was hopeles, salvation is totally from God. That being said, the salvation process involves God convicting man of his sin & calling him to repentance, & those who CHOOSE to obey His call are then given to Christ for regeneration. God doesn't FORCE a relationship with Himself on anyone nor does deny it as Calvinism falsley teaches.
@fractalfires Yes, it's important to learn Calvinspeak - the translation of "You're misrepresenting Calvinism" is "Stop exposing my doctrines to the light"
A: You're a fatalist
C: NO, I'm a compatibilist
A:You believe free will is irrelevant - God predestines some for salvation, others for damnation
C:God hates you, His secret will is to destroy you
A: Huh?
C:He must, otherwise you'd understand & become a Calvinist
@fractalfires Exactly, Calvinism is composed entirely of fallacious arguments & word games attempting to conceal its grotesque, unbiblical doctrines behind a flimsy facade of orthodoxy. The church at large has been remiss in allowing them to get away with the ruse - Calvinism is LONG overdue to be added to the scrapheap of refuted heresies & anyone who tolerates it, ignoring the deceptions & contradictions, will share the blame for the damage it causes within the Body of Christ. It's demonic.
@fractalfires Yes, the way Calvinists react to their opponents betrays the fact they don’t actually believe what they profess themselves. If God only enables the elect to believe they should expect most people to reject their teachings, instead they condemn their opponents for renouncing them, demanding they change their minds & accept their monstrosities - appealing to their free will which they deny even exists! Becoming a Calvinist is like getting brain cancer or a severe mental illness.
@apollos6640 So answer this, WHEN were Moises or David atoned if Jesus had not died on their time?
You said: "it would be accurate to say that the ELECT, have NEVER been "Dead in their trespasses & sins"." It is false. I suggest you study Calvinism before accusing.
@jorgemacsparrow "WHEN were Moses or David atoned if Jesus had not on their time?"
Say what? Heb.10
For by one offering He has PERFECTED FOREVER those who ARE SANCTIFIED... but sanctification is an ongoing process... listen, "How much worse punishment do you think one will deserve who has...profane the BLOOD OF THE COVENANT by which HE WAS SANCTIFIED, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
For you have need of ENDURANCE, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised."
@fractalfires@JackMWolfe There is nothing to say here anymore. We will see on judgement day. Only Jesus will tell who was really his brother, the ones who follow the will of the father.
I am really sorry to see all this hate in you over theological debate that you cannot win with empty accusations. Again, be merciful and loving even if they don't believe what you do, we could have expended more time talking about Jesus than throwing your hate just because of a little difference you don't see.
@jorge If you wait till Judgment day, it will be too late - you have to repent of these heretical doctrines NOW. Jesus told the apostate Sardis believers in Rev3:5 if they didn't repent of their apostasy then their names would be removed from the Book of LIfe & you're in the same danger. You've been given scriptures that clearly show you have a condemned gospel & that you're following a counterfeit Christ who cannot save you - as Jn17:3 says, only those who know the REAL Christ are saved.
@jorgemacsparrow In Calvinism, the ELECT are created & fashioned by God "before the foundation of the world" FOR Salvation, they walk the Earth not knowing they're SAVED because Jesus took the WRATH of God specifically for them, the ELECT on the cross.
Calvinists say Jesus didn't make Salvation"Possible" but that HE DID SAVE them--it would be accurate to say that the ELECT, have NEVER been "Dead in their trespasses & sins".
WHEN were they ever DEAD, since Jesus had ALREADY atoned them!?
@fractalfires "Teach that people ought to & can resist temptation & you get labeled as a 'sinless perfectionist'"
Yes, Calvinism mainly derails sanctification, entirely eliminating the need for it - parables like the bridesmaids, the Talents, the man who came to the wedding without the proper garment are all warnings about those who failed regarding sanctification & they were shut out of the kingdom of God. Calvinists will be among the most surprised when Christ says "I never knew you".
@jorge"Wow! i am a son of God, and i will go to heaven if i repeat this prayer and i will have the best of my life now!!"
Wrong. If they DO believe, they need to REPENT of their sins & focus on living their lives SLAVES of Jesus Christ--or they will perish, or be cut-off, or ave their names REMOVED from the Book of Life! Jesus said to those Jews who BELIEVED Him, "IF you CONTINUE in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
@apollos Good point, discussions with Calvinists never even get to the subject of the Sanctification process - one of the main attractions of Calvinism is that the need for sanctification is completely eliminated. All the responsibilities of discipleship, obeying Christ, taking up your cross daily, forsaking sin & the world, are all lumped together as heretical - saving yourself by your works. They throw everything under that old "sovereignty bus" & do whatever they want, & any time they want.
@JackMWolfe Where's the good news in telling people their God's offspring? they will go like "Wow! i am a son of God, and i will go to heaven if i repeat this prayer and i will have the best of my life now!! I want 2 of that God!"
Repent and believe the gospel, Jesus died for you.
The arminian prayer. "Please Lord enter to my heart, i repent." and voila they pronounce them saved. That is not the gospel. Repeat a prayer? Man's own power (or will as Ucall it) to be saved instead of God holy grace
@jorge The good news is that although they're God's offspring & they've been cut off from Him by the sin nature they inherited from Adam, God has provided a way back to Himself thru Christ & it's a free gift for whosoever acknowledges their sin, repents, & turns to Christ. THAT"S the true gospel & all others, including Calvinsm, are condemned with an eternal curse by Gal1:7-9. God doesn't force a relationship with HImself on anyone nor does He deny it - it's a gift, & as such, it can be refused
Not again!! I already destroy your argument, and that is not the gospel. Besides Jesus says that he calls brothers all who do the will of the father not to all men!
The gospel is this, You are sinner, you deserve hell, God is Just, He is Holy. He must give you hell. But in love and mercy he died so that you may have eternal life. I preach the gospel to all men without exception, but if you can put an E to the elect, ill focus my preaching to those who are elect. No one knows.
@jorge The JaJA is on you, all you've done is admit you're a liar - you preach the Arminian gospel & hide your own (Repent, for Christ MIGHT have died for you) & if you think you're doing the will of God by lying to the unsaved, coming here trying to lead others into heresy, falsely accusing people, causing division, ignoring, manipulating, & changing God's word, blaspheming God by accusing Him of creating helpless people to cast into hell, then you're deceiving yourself. You're no "brother".
@fractalfires "Can you give me any examples of a saved drowning victim who ever regarded himself as having saved himself?" Yes you, and mad man or a liar.
"Or a man who submits to the doctor to do life-saving surgery. Does a man acknowledge himself as the life-saver?" What if it was a car accident and the guy never submits to surgery, he was unconscious , the Doctor does it anyways to save his life. Even if would prefer to die.
Man is blind, and death, he cannot save himself. Neither cooperate.
@jorge You were doing better when you kept your mouth shut. Spiritual death isn't the same as physical death. The prodigal's father said, "This my son who was DEAD is alive again" - spiritual death involves separation from God NOT the loss of volition & will. Though dead, the prodigal CHOSE to return to his father. These are tired fallacious Calvinist arguments that have been refuted for CENTURIES & if you keep holding to them & denying the truth, they'll destroy you as they have Channeler.
@fractalfires@JackMWolfe Keep it up, some day maybe you will grown, you figth like 8 years toddlers. And Yes i don't use a translator like Jack.
I need more insulting and more illogical comments and more evangelical lies so that one day i can become FALSE Arminians like your selfs. Great gospel you share! If you think we are wrong, don't you have the obligation to tell us your gospel instead on these insulting comments? Didn't Jesus tell you to love your enemys and share the gospel?!
@jorge Get real - the true gospel has been given to you MANY times here, it's found in verses such as Acts17:29-30 "Since then we are God's offspring...Such former ages of ignorance God ignored & allowed to pass unnoticed; but now He charges ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE to repent" Calvinism instead proclaims that all men are NOT God's children & the gospel is NOT for everyone. Maybe someday YOU'LL grow up & read the bible without those dark Reformed sunglasses on - they blind you to the truth!
@ChristianityChannel Leave them alone. They already lost. Remember that there has to be Christians who go to hell, or why else did Jesus say "Not all who says to me Lord, Lord will enter", they are not even real arminians. Don't waste time where the Lord has hardened their hearts. I can say for all that you have been discussing, they only insult to win.
For the readers, please see and learn how arminians respond to comments, aggressively and offensive, what kind of Christians are they?!!
@fractalfires Al parecer te burlas de mi. Eso solo me dice que estas condenado. (2do mandamiento ama a tu projimo como a ti mismo) Ya no me importa este debate, ya perdieron hace mucho tiempo gracias a tu amigo @JackMWolfe. Lo unico que logran es engañarse mas. Que lastima que no leiste todos mis comentarios. Y que si no se pronunciar Arminianos en ingles? Al menos no me burlo de tus comentarios que no son biblicos, ni logicos, simplemente no sirven como argumentos.
@jorge Que hizo el ridículo aquí, alegando que saber sobre el Arminianismo, pero no pudo ni siquiera deletrear mucho menos conocen las doctrinas y sabe mucho menos sobre el Calvinismo, que eres un ignorante que necesita para estudiar los fundamentos de la Biblia.
@JackMWolfe -Jorge doesn't pose like you do using an online translator as you do. Foolishness Jack. You M.O. is the same with everyone; fire vulgar accusations at them when the do not agree with you. The person who doesn't have an understanding of Calvinism or Arminianism is none other than you Jack. You agarin are demonstrating 1 Timothy 4:2 and Proverbs 26:12 for all others to see.
* Correction - You're the only one talking about fatalism Jack. You didn't hear me make a reference to fatalism. One thing is plain with you; that is, the reprobate depraved mind isn't capable of realizing the things of the Spirit unless/until they're born again. You demonstrate this in each & every post. Jack, repent and turn to Jesus Christ for salvation. Believe on the historical Jesus Christ and not your "supposed free will" Cease from your wisdom, trust the LORD. Prov 9:6 & 3:5-6
@Channeler What you're objecting to is having your ruses & shell games exposed to the light. You claim God forces grace on certain people & withholds it from others who He's created & chosen only for destruction. You don't like anyone to refer to this as fatalism & don't like your abberant doctrines presented in such clear terms - you want to put lipstick on your filthy pig. You follow Satan himself, not God - you're a liar, a blasphemer, a false accuser, a coward, & a phony. Hellbound.
@JackMWolfe You say, "You claim God forces grace on certain people & withholds it from others who He's created & chosen only for destruction."
I've never said God forces grace. Not once. You keep saying that though. You do err. I tell you that Jesus Christ is the savior of some (who are not being tormented in hell and soon a lake of fire) Those in hell are not experiencing the grace of God. Are you delusional. I am telling you to repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Jack.
@Channeler LOL, 1st, you don't have to say the exact words "God forces grace" the "Irresistible Grace" pillar says it for you. You're a con artist trying to present your abberant doctrines in a way that they'll somehow look biblical, but the lipstick you smeared on your filthy pig can't change what it actually is. 2nd, the REAL gospel is found in Mt22:8-14 & Acts17<29-30 - ALL men are God's children, salvation is by INVITATION & the gospel is for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. You're a liar & imposter
@JackMWolfe Well you sure do accuse me of many things and speak evil against me falsely for Jesus Christ's sake. That can be seen. I am not a con artist. No one is born again unless Eze 36:26-27 occurs. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not a con as you assert.
@Channeler More shell games. 1st, as I just proved from the bible, the gospel of Jesus Christ is different than yours - it's by INVITATION & for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE (Mt22:8-14 & Acts17:29-30). Yours is instead limited & irresistibly forced on some & denied to others - it's therefore condemned by Gal1:7-9 with an eternal curse & so is anyone who preaches it. 2nd, you're not "suffering" for Christ's sake but for your apostasy & contradictions of the truth - you're a con artist, an imposter.
@JackMWolfe The Gospel is not a shell game. The Gospel is limited in the reality that there will be some in heaven and some in hell. The real issue is that you don't like the fact that God saves man who is utterly inable of his own accord to add anything to the faith that God grants some. You want to promote man having the final say on who goes to heaven and hell and that is conceited, sinful rediculous, and unbiblical. Jesus Christ is our Savior not our Co-Savior. Ephesians 2:8-9 Jack.
@Channeler More shell games, everytime you speak you prove you're a lying con man. The gospel is only limited by the decison of each person to accept it or not. Christ died for the sins of the ENTIRE WORLD (1Jn2:2), salvation is by INVITATION & for ALL people (Mt22:8-14), ALL men are God's children & the gospel is for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE (Acts17:29-30). Salvation isn't FORCED on some & DENIED to others as your false gospel blasphemously claims - you're a minister of Satan, a lying imposter,
@JackMWolfe - Jack, you really need to repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I will leave you now with this verse echoing in your ears, Proverbs 14:7 "Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge." I wish for your repentance and God's grace and mercy for you but for now I will leave you to your own mind for company. =0(
@fractalfires "Grace and Mercy Jack, Not condemnation!" Another Hallmark moment."
You mean Channeler didn't convince you of his love for us who expose him as a liar & who knock down his unbiblical pillars? This imposter & phony makes the Pharisees look like cub scouts - a true son of the devil, a sold out follower of Satan. You're witnessing the vilest form of witchcraft - a practicioner of every kind of wickedness & deception then putting God's name on it. Hell awaits him expectantly.
@JackMWolfe - I am not attempting to convince you of my love for you, apollos, or fractal fires. You do err again. That is not the Gospel Jack (just like all the videos on your channel; they have nothing soul-worthy to offer, much like you). You do err again comparing me to a Pharisee Jack. The Pharisees were all about works of the laws (and then some) along with religious tradition. I am pointing you to the LORD God Almighty Jesus Christ (who the Pharisees opposed).
@fractalfires "El apóstata de corazón tiene que hacer su deber. Arrastra sus pies para hacerlo y le oirás cantando himnos de los apóstatas de corazones. "...para mí es difícil obedecer, y más difícil amar" -Carlos G. Finney"
macsparrow ha volado de la jaula - espero que por fin despertó de su degenerada amigos y doctrinas defectuosas.
@fractalfires - You just have to get in your heresy of Sola Ecclesia. Heresy. The Gospel is clear. You can see it on my channel. It plays automatically when you visit the channel. Sola Scriptura is an essential of the faith that you do not embrace. You do erry by following the ECFS and the ANCFs. You err in thinking geographic proximity to the truth is credible. It's not. Heretics followed and listened to Jesus and his disciples. Did you forget 1 John 2:18-19? Solus Christus!
@fractalfires - You say, "You grossly oppose God's grace!" I hardly call it 'grace' when a puppeteer pulls on a string. " I've never once called God a "puppeteer." You, Apollos, & JackMWolfe have all called the Most High a puppeteer. None of you show no remorse for you blasphemies nor do you maintain a cogent conversation without superimposing your vulgar, reprobate remarks, thoughts, and conclusions on Christians. You think I accuse? I proclaim the truth about your situation.
@fractalfires - "What I see is a desperate attempt from you to draw attention away from yourself..." I hope the attention is not on myslef but on our LORD God Almighty, Jesus Christ. We are supposed to be lights on a hill proclaiming the Gospel and not the false righteousness by the law that you embrace or the synergistic decisional regeneration that the "degenerate" JackMWolfe proclaims. You need to see what God says about you and your beliefs and that comes through his Word A-L-O-N-E.
@fractalfires Calvinists are among the most biblically ignorant & evasive of any other Christian cult - but have you ever seen a more pathetic & cowardly display as Channeler has put on here? It makes one feel sorry for those who've innocently strayed into Calvinism's deceptions & haven't yet realized it's heretical. This has to be real ammonia on the windshield for them, & if they want to avoid ending up exactly like Channeler, they better wake up & smell the apostasy while there's still time.
The best witnesses against Calvinism are Calvinists themselves! Is there anyone watching this pathetic display who would ever want to become one? It's like prodding someone who's hiding in a deep dark hole to come out & face the light, these gutless cowards just hide in the recesses of the earth & throw mud at those who pass by. When they get to Channeler's stage of this malignant cancer, blasphemy of the Spirit, they can never be restored - it's unforgivable. Don't let it happen to you.
@JackMWolfe - What Jack is engaging in is called the
"Ad Hominem Attack"
In Jack's case, he adds contempt, aggrogance, vulgarity, and immaturity to his ignornace.
I pray that others watching will see your display and realize that whatever you are embracing is contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ as well as biblical precepts. To you, Jack, I tell you repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Lay down your foolishness, go in the way of understanding and live.
@Channel You've been "attacked" & exposed by the Truth & by God's word as a liar, a Christian imposter, & a coward - those are facts which anyone can verify by a review. Your claim that you don't embrace or promote fatalism was exposed as a lie, you falsely accused me of being vulgar, a reprobate, etc when YOU are guilty of such, & your continued evasion to simply stand forth like a man & agree that God send judgment according to Heb10:30 upon the imposter & liar here confirms that it's YOU!
@JackMWolfe Jack, no lies here. All one need do is read your comments to understand that you are vulgar and a reprobate. It shows in your conversation. You do accuse me of many things, those of which you are guilty which means that you speak lies in hypocrisy, as 1 Tim 4:2 teaches us; an accuser of the brethren and a ravenous wolf. Your misrepresentation of Hebrews 10:30 is no more believable when you repeat it. Your conversation is not biblical; it's a vicious attack on real Christianity.
@Channeler The only lies here are those you brought with you, & they've all been exposed - the self-induced lobotomy you performed on yourself with Calvinism's demonic doctrines makes you the only one incapable of seeing yourself for the imposter you are, it's a judgment against you for your blasphemy. When Calvinists reach your stage of hardness against the truth, God gives them over to the darkness - you'll continue on in denial & your opposition to the truth until you hit the Lake of Fire.
@JackMWolfe There is no denial or opposition from me. The only thing that is clearly seen by all here is that you have set yourself up in a position to pass damning judgment and condemnation on others when you are in no position to do so. That makes you delusional. I will, again, invite you to my channel to hear the real Gospel spoken. You will not find the anti-Christ musical garbage that you have posted on your channel (which cannot save man). Jack, Proverbs 9:6 before it's too late!
@Channel "There's no denial or opposition from me"
LOL. 1st, if true you’d confess to lying when you claimed not to embrace or promote fatalism when you actually DO believe in Calvinistic predestination - that God irresistibly saves the elect & withholds other's ability to respond to the gospel. 2nd only someone aware they're lying would evade having God judge what they've been saying - you KNOW you're a liar, an imposter, & a blasphemer - your concern over Heb10:30 is about YOURSELF not me.
@JackMWolfe - You are the only one talking about fatalissm Jack. You did not here me make a reference to fatalism. Again, all you have is your reprobate mind to dream up vulgar conclusions so there is no surprise there. You are not able to exegete Hebrews 10:30 much less the whole of scripture which, again, is of no real surprise.
@JackMWolfe Another thing that I believe separates us Jack is when I go to the LORD in prayer, I do not ask for His judgment and wrath to fall on you but I pray that He would extend his Mercy and Grace to you so that you may know, become wise, and go in the way of truth and understanding. I do not pray for or prematurely anticipate, or viciously hope for your eternal torment. Grace and Mercy Jack, Not condemnation!
Notice his continued evasion while falsely accusing those who confront his lies as being "vulgar" "having a reprobate mind" & that his reason for not answering is because I "don't agree with his conclusions" (!?) The REAL reason is because he's an apostate promoting an unbiblical, condemned gospel, blasphemes the True God by claiming He creates helpless people solely for destruction, & he refuses to stand forth & agree to be judged according to Heb10:30 because he KNOWS he's a lying imposter!
@JackMWolfe Who on earth ever taught you such an unbiblical view of Hebrews 10:30? Don't tell me the Holy Spirit for the Holy Spirit does not speak vulgar lies as you are currently doing. You have to trample on the whole of the bible to come up with the conclusion that you have about Hebrews 10:30, Jack. You also have to disregard context and syntax to render such a reprobate understanding of the passage. Jack, can't you see the craziness of your conclusion? You grossly oppose God's grace!
LOL, notice his repeated evasion of the issues - his statement that he doesn't embrace or promote fatalism was exposed as a lie & he keeps maintaining that Heb10:30 doesn't apply to the issues here involving blasphemy, false accusations, heresy, division, manipulation of God's word, lying, imposters, etc "The Lord will judge & settle the cause & the cases of His people" It applies DIRECTLY to the situation & he won't agree to stand forth & be judged by it becasue he's guilty on ALL counts!
@JackMWolfe LOL? I see no nned for further comentary re: Hebrews 10:30. I've already exegeted it for you 4 times over the past 2 months. I will remind you that God sends real Christians out to proclaim the gospel and not challenge them to imagined "line drawn in the sand" confrontations that are the halmark of your presence on YouTube. I do not expect you to understand. Christians will. You will not, until you are born again Jack. The Gospel is Grace and Mercy Jack, faith not of oursleves
Anyone who continues to embrace Calvinism after seeing what it has done to those like Channeler deserves what happens to them. He's been exposed here as a complete fraud who tries to cover his aberrant beliefs with a thin veneer trying to make them appear biblical then runs when the ruse is exposed, & he's a gutless coward who refuses to simply stand forth & agree to have his outrageous doctrinal claims & false accusations scrutinized & judged by God - he refuses because he's a lying imposter!
@JackMWolfe - Your comments expose yourself; the real JackMWolfe. You can continue to try to manipulate others by issuing ultimatums and threats but the truth is found in the pages of our Holy Bible and not from the lips of an unholy JackMWolf. For those reading these comments, notice how Jack's conversation becomes vulgar when a Christian challenges the heresies he is pushing.
@JackMWolfe 1st my English is not very good, i know that. my language is Spanish. 2nd of course is relevant, all scripture is!! 3rd Jesus is the center, he was falsely accused as i am. You are like a pharisee.
You posted here "Calvinism vs. Arminianism - A Solution" and didn't understand either. 4th. You didn't answer my question.
@jorgemacsparrow You'll have to excuse Jack,it's believed that he has been drop on his head as a small child more than once.He lurks Youtube searching for Christians who don't,and won't, believe his false doctrine so he can attempt to persecute them.
@jorge 1st, you claimed to know what Arminianism is, you’ve shown here that you DON’T & can’t even spell it - it’s spelled the same in ALL languages! 2nd, all scripture is indeed relevant but Dan4:35 isn’t relevant to what we’re discussing - your comment is an evasive strawman. 3rd, Christ was falsely accused but that has nothing to do with you - YOU'VE been shown here to be guilty of apostasy. 4th I’m non-denominational & it's irrelevant - your rejection of God's word is what confronts you.
@JackMWolfe Stop telling nonsense. Daniel 4:35 - "All the peoples of the earth are regarded as NOTHING. He does as HE PLEASES with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: “What have you done?”"
You are using my words for your own purpose like you do with the bible.
"any genuine Armenian church" - So tell me what denomination are you?
"demonic doctrines" - Jesus was accused of having demons too by the pharisees.
@jorge 1st, you'd be more convincing about how much you know about Arminianism if you at least learned how to spell it. 2nd, Dan4:35 is irrelevant to the issues under discussion - God indeed does as He wills but His sovereign will regarding salvation is that it will be offerred to mankind as a GIFT, He doesn't force it on some or withhold it from others as Calvinism falsely claims - it's CALVINISTS who deny God's sovereignty, NOT Arminians. 3rd, Jesus was falsely accused - but you're guilty.
@JackMWolfe John wrote, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that YOU MAY NOT SIN..." Why would John, write "so that YOU may not sin" when sinning is FIRST DECREED by God?
Can man "THWART" Gods DECREE to sin by NOT sinning?
@JackMWolfe I know more Arminianism than you because i live with them! i know what they think and they are not rock-hearted like you. Mi current denomination church is the church of the Nazarene. But i prefer to be in a Southern-Baptist, but in mi town there are none. So i humble my self, not accusing Arminians being satanists as you suggest we are.... you truly are not Armenian nor christian.
@JackMWolfe Im sad you really are blind, you use hate, i do not. Just read what you've wrote. I already told you on theological base i am a 5 point Calvinist, but opened to bible truth that has not been misinterpreted. Calvin is not my God, nor the way, Jesus is! Thats is way i prefer people like Charles H. Spurgeon and John Wesley. Please realize this!!!!! I am a Calvinist attending to an Armenian church, and they treat me with love! not criticizing me for being a Calvinist!!
@jorge You regard the truth as hate because your false doctrines are violently opposed to it - any genuine Arminian church who tolerated an open Calvinist does so in the hopes that they'll recognize their apostasy, repent of Calvinism's false gospel & demonic doctrines, & be restored. If you continue on the path you're now on, you'll be destroyed. Calvinism promotes a condemned gospel with an eternal curse on it according to Gal1:7-9, & blasphemes God as a tyrant who destroys helpless people.
@apollos6640@JackMWolfe Again and for the last time, please study calvinism at deep theological level, so that we can speak like brothers and not enemys. So you know i have studied both Arminianism and Calvinism. Don't presume you understand calvinism because of what you write is not calvinism at all!
And so you know i prefer to be called a 5 point Spurgeonist :)
It seems i understand more Arminianism than both of you and i am sad to hear how dumb you sound.
@jorge "I prefer to be called a 5 point Spurgeonist"
1st, we prefer the truth - you’re a 10-point Satanist. You reject God's word, twist it, change it, & evade it, promote a false gospel, divide the church with heresy, falsely accuse others, misrepresent the true God, despise the real Christ, & blaspheme the Holy Spirit. 2nd, we understand Calvinism better than you & that's why we reject it - only a blind fool can't see that these are totally opposite belief systems that can't be reconciled.
3rd, tell us the exact flavor of Kalvin Kool-aid you ingested so no one will "misrepresent your beliefs" anymore - are you a Moderate, Hyper, or Strict Calvinist? Are you a 5-pointer, Amyraldian, or another number? Do you believe God decreed Adam's fall, permitted the fall, or that God decreed man would be allowed to fall into sin through his own self-determination? Are you associated with Particularism or Pajonism? Affiliated with a denomination? 4th, you know NOTHING about Arminianism.
@ChristianityChannel Hear this. I already tried to speak with love, but they a re blind, you wont change their minds, it is sad that a Calvinist shows more love and mercy than any Arminian in this conversation. They condemn us to hell even so i tried to make them understand, I believe that Arminians are christians too, but this guys are not truly Arminians. Their fake.
John Wesley would be offended by these guys.
"Something worse than an arrogant calvinist is an arrogant arminian" - R.C. Sproul
@jorgemacsparrow I too believe there are many "Arminian" Christians. I am also aware that when professed Christians continue to oppose the truth when it is presented to them over a prolonged period of time, it means one of two things; 1. They are not what they profess to be and are storing up wrath fro their selves (Rom 2:5) or 2. They have significant chastisment in store for them for we know that the Lord discinplines the ones he loves, (Hebrews 12:6).
That Piper quote came from “How God Makes Known the Riches of His Glory to the Vessels of Mercy,” sermon on Rom 9:19–23 (February 16, 2003)
Don't panic, no one is "misrepresenting you", I'm here to educate you.
Piper claims that God DECIDES who will rebel. And then, those who rebel because God decided they would, justly deserve to perish for that God-caused rebellion.
Thus GOD is the CREATOR of Moral Evil, He then SOVEREIGNLY IMPOSES ths Evil unto mankind
@apollos6640 - You do misrepresent me. I've told you that I do not quote Piper or anyone. You want to bring others into the conversation and I am telling you, let's go to the bible for the answer, Sola Scriptura. Men are fallible. Piper is fallible. I don't listen to him so bringing him into this discussion is a moot point, of no significance. Before you consider educating anyone you must first be born of the Spirit and learn otherwise you are only subverting the truth.
@Channeler ". The God I worship is perfect, holy, sovereign, just, loving, righteous, without blemish, without end, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent"
Of course! But these qualities of Holiness become SUBJECTIVE from your Calvinistic definition of SOVEREIGNTY; where God brings into existance INVOLUNTARILY DEAD & Depraved people from the moment of conception-- worthy of DAMNATION.
You know nothing of His "Holiness", all you've done is exchanged FATALISTIC ideas for the SOVEREIGNTY of God
@apollos6640 You say, "But these qualities of Holiness become SUBJECTIVE from your Calvinistic definition of SOVEREIGNTY" W-R-O-N-G! You, like so many others, superimpose your conclusions about what you think I believe about Calvinism and God. Your superimposing such places you in a precarious situation where you will have to answer for your false accusations. I do not embace or promote fatalism. You say this of me thus you are an accuser. Are you willingto bear the consequences for such?
@Channeler "I do not embace or promote fatalism. You say this of me thus you are an accuser"
So you don't believe in Calvinism's definititon of predestination - that God irresistibly saves the elect & withholds the ability of others to respond to the gospel? Are YOU willing to bear the consequences of trying to cloak your real beliefs by using word games & are you now willing to agree to stand before God & ask for His judgment to fall according to Heb10:30 on the REAL imposter & liar here?
@JackMWolfe For others reading this post, notice how when JackMWolfe begins a sentence with "So you don't believe.....etc." or "So you believe....etc." that this is a common method of decption to superimpose HIS conclusion upon a Christian. Jack knows that I oppose his synergistic, work-righteous bad news (a belief that one can lose their salvation based on behavior; one based on man's works rigteousness). Jack is wise in his own conceit and we know what Proverbs 26:12 says of him.
@ChristianityChannel You're absolutely right,Jack thinks his works righteousness can get him into Heaven,he's nothing more than a Roman Catholic who calls God ignorant.
For onlookers, notice how Channeler claimed he "doesn't embrace or promote fatalism" but when confronted with the fact he DOES affirm Calvinism's definititon of predestination - that God irresistibly saves the elect & withholds other's ability to respond to the gospel, he evaded it by attacking the form of the question - his denial of fatalism was an attempt to cloak his beliefs using word games. Notice also his refusal to agree for judgment to fall according to Heb10:30 on the imposter here.
@JackMWolfe - Jack you keep brining up Hebrews 10:30 not understanding that passage. You use it as some trigger to challenge Christians to tempt the LORD their God. Christians are covered by the blood, the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ and will not experience God's judgment; issuing such a statement in that manner is folly. I'm covered Jack, forgiven, made the righteousness of God through Christ. And, I would NOT pray for your destruction Jack, but for God's grace and mercy on you.
Notice everyone that Channeler again evaded the fact he was lying when he claimed "not to embrace or promote fatalism" - he DOES affirm Calvinism's definititon of predestination - that God irresistibly saves the elect & withholds other's ability to respond to the gospel. And he evaded Heb10:30 again "The Lord will judge & settle the cause & the cases of His people" which applies DIRECTLY here - the issues are heresy, false accusations, blasphemy, lying, & imposters - all Channeler's sins!
@JackMWolfe I will speak openly with joy about the Gospel. No evasion here Jack. I just don't answer your questions in the manner which you desire. The reason for that is because I will not agree with your conclusions. I call them vain imaginations from a reprobate mind. Christians know that Hebrews is not a clarion commandment to call God's judgment and wrath on those who disagree with you. Just the opposite in fact. Vengence and judgement belongs to the Lord and not JackMWolfe. Amen!
@Channeler "God is Holy. God is Sovereign. Completely. There is NO such thing as one attribute taking precidence over the other."
Correct. However because of the redefinition of SOVEREIGNTY per Calvinism; Gods Divine qualities of Justice/Mercy/Love & Grace are degraded & destroyed. In a world of Causal Determinism, He's reduced to being a Static & Omnipotent Tyrant
The sovereign God “DECIDES who will believe and undeservingly be saved and who will rebel and deservingly perish.” —John Piper
@apollos6640 No, God's attributes are not degraded except for in the minds and based on the opinions of mortal men. I do not quote Piper. Let's stay with the bible and not mere men, OK. Your vision of God being reduced to a static and onimpotent tyrant exists in your mind only (and perhaps the minds of others who are like you). The God I worship is perfect, holy, sovereign, just, loving, righteous, without blemish, without end, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, He is God. We are not.
@JackMWolfe Jajaja, better!. I know why i believe in Calvinism, i have studied deeply both. I hope you could study more deeply Calvinism and not criticize. For me to hear those last statements you said, sounded more like Calvinism. You may not like it but we believe almost the same. This answer was more clear than before. Thanks. One more thing, don't assume who is going to heaven, God is the one who saves, I am going to heaven, if you are going to, we will see us there, remember, i am elect. :)
@jorge No, we don't believe the same at all - Calvinism promotes a condemned gospel that has an eternal curse on it according to Gal1:7-9 & so do those who preach it. Calvinism also has a counterfeit god who creates helpless people for the sole purpose of destroying them instead of a loving heavenly Father Who desires NO ONE to perish. Jesus said in Jn17:3 "This is eternal life: to know You, the only true God & to know Him, Jesus Christ Whom You have sent" According to Christ, you aren't saved.
@JackMWolfe these peoples ideas are locked! Even when quoting their own, they wanna ignore their quotations, pull the "you misrepresent calvinism" card...and remain obstinant. Whatever.
@JackMWolfe You also said "unrepentant sinners have no need for a Savior. " it is wrong. It is unrepentant sinners who need a savior. Don't you know that you where a sinner once, or still are? didn't you needed a savior if you truly are christian? We all need a savior, it doesn't mean we are all going to be saved.
And one more thing, where is God's love and mercy in your speak? Doesn't God gives a lot of opportunities to men to repent?
@JackMWolfe Thnxs for your answer. 1st Calvinism is all about the sovereignty of God, Arminianism is all about free will. So your are wrong. 2nd You said "those who respond to it will be saved", i wonder how can they respond if the bible teaches that man can't respond to God? Even Armenians believe in "Preventive Grace" God must first come to men for them to repent. 3rd You said "they weren't Christ's sheep", of course not, no one is sheep until they believe.
@jorge 1st, Calvinism has a distorted view of God's sovereignty - blasphemously claiming God forces salvation on some & denies it to others who He created only for destruction. Arminians believe God's sovereign will is to offer salvation to ALL men as a GIFT which they can choose to reject - it's CALVINISTS who deny God's sovereign will NOT Arminians. 2nd, Arminians acknowledge that man will not & cannot come to God on his own, it's a work of the Spirit to draw them BUT that they can refuse it.
@JackMWolfe - You intentionally misrepresent the biblical teachings which you label as Calvinism. You fool none but yourself! 1st - You said, "claiming God forces salvation on some & denies it to others" Nonsense! God saves some, period. Those who are not saved are justly damned, period. 2. God saves man period. It is not a matter of God respecting the I-M-A-G-I-N-E-D free-will decision of an unregenerate spirit. 3. No one submits unless saved. Rom 3:11, 1 Cor 2:14, Exe 36:25-27.
@ChristianityChannel "Calvinist place Gods Sovereignty ABOVE His Holiness" W-R-O-N-G! "Calvinist place Gods Sovereignty ABOVE His Holiness"
Yes, I'm R-I-G-H-T!! Which of these would you say is correct?
A) God commands something because its right. Or
B) It is right because God commands it.
A consistent Calvinists chooses option 'B'... therefore, His SOVEREIGNTY comes 1st, His Holiness comes 2nd. If you have any further questions, I'm here to educate you.
@apollos6640 - You're not educating anyone. You're subverting the truth about the Holiness and Soverignty of God. God is Holy. God is Sovereign. Completely. There is NO such thing as one attribute taking precidence over the other. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God, equally One God, no disharmony. You subvert the truth about God's attributes comparing his to fallen man's prioritzation of values which is Humanism. Cease from thy own wisdom! Proverbs 9:6!
@jorge 3rd, they weren't Christ's sheep because they refused to heed God's message to repent given to them by John the Baptist (Lk7:30) & it's not that they didn't actually need a Savior, because ALL men do, but those who refuse to acknowledge their sin THINK they don't need one. Only those who submit to conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit & repent will ever come to Christ - all others won't see any need for Him. 4th, God DOES give many opportunities to repent - this is another one for you.
@JackMWolfe I dont want to post anymore on this, but just to understand you a bit more, 1) you say "Salvation is a GIFT" if you have a chocolate you are forced to give it to me? or you would have the right to give it to whom you want to?? 2) you say "THEY choose to reject Him", could you please tell me WHY?? based on the bible why do they reject them. and please be logical and biblical. Without insults or misjudgments, i want to hear you answer.
@JackMWolfe It appears it can not be discussed further, you neither read the bible nor history. i win the discussion. No longer posting here. i gave you an opportunity to give me something of value. Like Armenian John Wesley would have. but you are not a real armenian. I feel sorry for you. God bless you. Take care.
@jorge Sorry to pop your little balloon but YOU have been proven to be ignorant of both the bible & the history of your hero & namesake. Calvinism is a product of collusion between an unrepentant murderer & Satan himself that produced a limited, condemned gospel (Repent for Christ MIGHT have died for you) & blasphemes God by accusing Him of creating helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell in order to "glorify himself". If you don't repent of it, it will destroy you.
How do you Arminians like JackMWolfe explain away the clear verses in the gospel of John that Jesus spoke (the words in red) concerning His sheep, who he was praying for, and the children of the devil that he said could not believe him? The gospel of John blows your "salvation by man's choice" away. You preach a different gospel than grace by God's sovereign will. Your doctrine demands man's cooperation to accomplish what God could not do. You should study the scriptures and learn the truth.
@OneWay Nonsense, NOTHING in the book of John says God prevented them from believing in Christ - their rejection of the message of repentance by John the Baptist shut them out (Lk7:30), those who won't acknowledge their sin have no need for a Savior. By refusing to repent, they CHOSE not to be Christ's sheep, but that's not what God desired for them.
@JackMWolfe "No man can come to me except the Father which draws him to me" - Jesus. (John 6:44) The Father makes it possible for those chosen, Jesus makes it happen. "Why do you not understand my speech? Because you cannot hear my word. You are of your father the devil" - Jesus (John 8: 43 - 44) "But you believe not BECAUSE you are not of my sheep" - Jesus. (John 10:26) His Sheep believe. Dogs bark. Cows moo. Ducks quack. Belief is the result of being one of the sheep.
@OneWay You're prooftexting, no one denies that God must draw men to Christ. Salvation is a work of the Spirit - man cannot & will not come to God on his own. God must make a way for him which He has done thru Christ, must convict him of his sin & need for a Savior, & call him to repentance. NONE of that negates the fact that man can reject the call. Salvation is a GIFT, God doesn't force it on anyone & certainly doesn't deny it to anyone as Calvinism falsely claims - THEY choose to reject Him
@JackMWolfe But in the end, your doctrine has man being the deciding factor instead of God. In your theology, the millions of people who never hear the gospel just got a bad break. At least Calvinism is consistent in saying that those who do not hear the gospel were never intended to hear it. God provides the means to the end for all those who He has chosen. You still cannot get around the powerful words of Jesus himself when he said the Jews could not believe because they were not His sheep.
@OneWay 1st, it's GOD who has sovereignly determined that salvation will be a gift, not forced upon or denied to anyone - it's CALVINISTS who deny God's sovereign will not Arminians! 2nd, according to Rom1, men are judged by the light they have which could be as little as the witness of creation & their own conscience - those who respond to it will be saved. 3rd, they weren't Christ's sheep because they rejected John's message to repent (Lk7:30) - unrepentant sinners have no need for a Savior.
@JackMWolfe Jesus never says that people are not his sheep BECAUSE they don't believe. But he does say that people don't believe, in fact can't even hear him, because they are not his sheep. You have the cause and effect backwards. We believe because we are chosen to receive the gift. of faith. "All who were appointed to eternal life believed".
@OneWay No, they didn''t believe in Christ because they didn't believe & obey His forerunner, John the Baptist & his message of repentance. Those who submit to the conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit will also submit to Christ, He is God's solution for sin - all others cannot & will not accept Christ because they don't need Him. You've forced a different cause & effect into Jn10:26 based on Calvinism - that they didn't believe in Christ because God predestined them for destruction, not true.
@JackMWolfe why arminians always say that? didn't Armenians kill innocent people when the Synod of Dort rejected armenianism? READ THE HISTORY!! Armenian John Wesley believe that Calvinist are going to heaven so why you are different? Don't you read? i suggest you start studying before condemning someone to hell. Oh i fear for your soul, i don't think your going to heaven my friend
You speak about the true God, do you even know who God really is?
@jorge LOL, so you claim I'm going to hell because I informed you that preaching a false gospel & worshipping a counterfeit God will send you to hell according to the bible? Typical Calvinist hypocrisy! 1st, you need to read YOUR history - it was Calvin who burned people at the stake for disagreeing with his doctrines! 2nd, Calvin's "gospel" is just BAD news for most of mankind & disagrees with Paul's in Acts17:29-30 who says ALL men are God's children & the gospel is for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.
@JackMWolfe JAJA!!! What an ignorant. The verse has nothing to do with "all men without exception" it says only at verse 30 - "all people everywhere to repent", 1st: God is calling people to repent, not to be saved!! why it doesn't say to believe in the gospel too? it is a requirement to believe in Jesus and repent, so the focus of the author is different. 2nd: The context say to repent of believing in God not as an image "is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill"
@jorge The JAJA is on YOU - 1st, Paul clearly states that ALL men are God's children & He desires ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent & those who do are given to Christ for regeneration - God doesn't give FAKE calls to repent while withholding the ability of some people to obey the call - that's blasphemy! 2nd, Ps5:5 doesn't support your stupidity either - God does hate ALL sinners which means ALL men who come from Adam but He's ALSO provided atonement thru Christ for them & calls them ALL to repent!
@JackMWolfe Also.. You mention calvin to burn people? search google for "History of Calvinist-Arminian debate". I suggest you start reading.
John Calvin and Jacobus Arminius where death (both) when the war started. jajaja!
You said "2nd, Calvin's "gospel" is just BAD news for most of mankind", jajaja, mankind? Here's your bad news my friend Psalm 5:5, he hates all who sins, and Rom 3:23 all humans (descendants of Adan) without exception are sinners.
@jorge 3rd, I know the history of John Calvin & he was an unrepentant murderer of other Christians who rejected his false doctrines - that's a historical, undeniable FACT. Look up Michael Servetus - he was a scholar who Calvin corresponded with about his doctrines. Calvin betrayed Servetus by sending copies of those letters to the Inquisition who arrested him. Servetus escaped & went to Geneva for help not realizing Calvin had betrayed him - then Calvin had him arrested & executed.
Please read and inform yourself!! read the Christian history, read the bible, study Arminianism and Calvinism so you can truly understand before coming and writing things that doesn't make any sense nor are biblical or historical.
2 Cor. 3:15 - Examine your self to see if your in the faith.
So you are not an Armenian neither Calvinist. You are saying i am not a child of God and finally saying that if i am a Calvinist i am not preaching the gospel and going to hell because i am accursed. What type of christian are you anyways?
Didn't you read?? Or are you blind? What then, should the body of Christ be divided?
Tell how is my gospel that you haven't heard different from yours?
If you are truly saved you will study the bible, and some day you will understand what love is.
@jorgemacsparrow Calvinism promote a different gospel than the bible's (Repent, for Christ MIGHT have died for you) & accuses God of creating helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell in order to "glorify himself" False gospels are eternally condemned according to Gal1:7-9 & Jn17:3 says eternal life is knowing the TRUE God & Christ - by Christ's own definitiion, Calvinists are on the path to destruction by blaspheming the True God & worshipping a counterfeit Christ.
No my dear friend, Christians are both Armenians and Calvinists, but you are blind to see it by the ruler of this world. Don't say that Calvinism is not the gospel, because it is to blame the Armenians for the prosperity gospel. I think now we don't see the same, if you are really saved from God, by God, for God then i can only say that Christ will do what we can't, be the same on mind and spirit. (Reply from Armenian John Wesley to Calvinist George Whitefield)
I'm not an Arminian, but if you're teaching the Limited Atonement--you're not saved. If you hold to that doctrine and are keeping it to yourself I could see how your deception could allow you to be fine in your blindness--but if you're teaching that doctrine(as a true Calvinist should)---then you're teaching a false gospel. Case and point, Paul said false gospels were accursed, so I say the same to you---repent! You serve a different god.
Historically, Armenians are always attacking Calvinist because their theology was rejected at the Synod of Dort, they are jealous. So after they where rejected they started a civil war. Mmmmhh... maybe they are still jealous. I suggest you study Calvinism before you attack, and another tip, Arminianism was born out of Calvinism, check out the history, Jacobus Arminius studied Calvinism, and Calvinism there for is older than Arminianism. Both theology at the core are the same. Christ!!
Historically, Armenians are always attacking Calvinist because their theology was rejected at the Synod of Dort, they are jealous. So after they where rejected they started a civil war. Mmmmhh... maybe they are still jealous. I suggest you study Calvinism before you attack, and another tip, Arminianism was born out of Calvinism, check out the history, Jacobus Arminius studied Calvinism, and Calvinism there for is older than Arminianism. Both theology at the core are the same. Christ!!
The moral of the story is Calvinists can't answer. ...Christ died for the ungodly... But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us - Romans 5:6-8. That proves Christ died for everyone. But... The Lord is... not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance - 2 Peter 3:9. 1 Tim. 2:3,4. is also great here. Jesus' death will ONLY apply to you if you repent from sin and get born again by the Holy Spirit.Choose whom U srv
This is totally wrong in many ways! P!NK says if God is a DJ, life is a dancefloor, and goes on to say that man is the music! Provision doesn't matter if you're drunk and mackin chicks on the dancefloor!
@TheKJVberean That's a really ignorant statement. I was raised/attended 2-3 Arminian churches before finally ending up in a Sovereign Grace (Reformed) church. The devotion to scriptural understanding in the reformed community vs. emergent/Arminian types of today - is night and day. That means reading the Bible and understanding the scriptures. There are other arguments where I see Calvinists being dogmatic but to say they don't read their Bible is just not true.
"I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people, for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth".
@hammerogod 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. Romans 8:29-30. ***Try to make THAT complicated***
@PSUIVERSON It's not complicated at all. God created us and knew us all before we were...and our outcome. God's will was always that we come to know Jesus as Lord. Should have been done in the Garden. We were Called to do that. But we failed. God knew we would sin. God's plan for our Destiny was for all to enter into the Kingdom. He made every provision for our Justification before the Fall --> "Lamb slain before..etc." Now He asks us to obey and follow the plan. That leads to Glorification.
2) It's only a "return to Rome" if you worship Calvinism as your god in the first place.
3) Arminianism and Molinism aren't the same.
You can keep your god who gives no free will to man, then damns those same men to Hell, and calls it his "pleasure". Your blood-thirsty, hateful, unjust deity deserves no worship. But then again, I'm "predestined" to believe that anyway.
That was a silly straw man argument if I ever saw one. Calvinists get their beliefs from the Bible alone. A confession of faith is not the Bible but it does summarize what the Reformed Christian believes the Bible says. Trouble is Arminians have to save themselves. Calvinists are elect before creation but salvation is a golden chain. Read the Bible! (Romans 8:28-30; Ephesians 1:4, 11). Not one of His elect will be lost (John 6:37-44, 10:11, 15, 27-28).
All i have to say is the demons believ in Christ and they tremble. Go read the Bible more you Armineans who condemn Calvinists. I'll pray that God illuminates your heart to the truth.
take time to get past the misrepresentations, try actually reading the Bible without making up your mind what the text means, before extracting the true meaning from the text.
there is not a drop of evidence that hell is eternal and if you think so then by all mean send my a message and I will gladly refute your argument : )
@NewDirection4us If you are going to accuse me of double talk, then accuse God of double talk, because God tells man to circumcise the foreskin of their heart's. Afterwards, he tells man that he is unable to circumcise his own heart, and that man is blind and death to the things of God. Then God tells man that He will circumcise man's heart in the new covenant. but he hold's those whom he does not circumcise responsable for doing what is impossible and that is circumcising their own hearts!
@NewDirection4us There is not a problem with believeing that Jesus died for "all men" and while still holding to Jesus only making rigteous the Elect. All because Jesus died for the sins of someone that does not mean they are owed imputed righteousness. It just means that he holds the sin debt that was carried over from the Father, and they will still be condemned. But they will be crushed by God the Son, rather than God the Father.
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Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell.....they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped...every women beaten...every person murdered...every deceitful business deal...every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism!!
willpower242 1 month ago
Why do many of you have to use big words to impress others,we are not impressed,Calvinism is the Bible,and Salvation is of the Lord,did you choose Him or did He choose you?,If you want to be the author of your salvation,give it a shot,you choose Him,you save yourself,and while your at it,enjoy the Glory you think you have,that only God demands and deserves,put all the theology aside and get a grip God Saves,Him and Him alone,and I for one are thankful for that-Praise God!!
bobcaldwellrocks 4 months ago
@bobcaldwell No big words - the bible teaches that man can't save himself, unless God intervened by providing Christ as a substitute sacrifice then his condition was hopeles, salvation is totally from God. That being said, the salvation process involves God convicting man of his sin & calling him to repentance, & those who CHOOSE to obey His call are then given to Christ for regeneration. God doesn't FORCE a relationship with Himself on anyone nor does deny it as Calvinism falsley teaches.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@fractalfires Yes, it's important to learn Calvinspeak - the translation of "You're misrepresenting Calvinism" is "Stop exposing my doctrines to the light"
A: You're a fatalist
C: NO, I'm a compatibilist
A:You believe free will is irrelevant - God predestines some for salvation, others for damnation
C:God hates you, His secret will is to destroy you
A: Huh?
C:He must, otherwise you'd understand & become a Calvinist
A: I do understand it, that's why I'm an Arminian
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@fractalfires Exactly, Calvinism is composed entirely of fallacious arguments & word games attempting to conceal its grotesque, unbiblical doctrines behind a flimsy facade of orthodoxy. The church at large has been remiss in allowing them to get away with the ruse - Calvinism is LONG overdue to be added to the scrapheap of refuted heresies & anyone who tolerates it, ignoring the deceptions & contradictions, will share the blame for the damage it causes within the Body of Christ. It's demonic.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@fractalfires Yes, the way Calvinists react to their opponents betrays the fact they don’t actually believe what they profess themselves. If God only enables the elect to believe they should expect most people to reject their teachings, instead they condemn their opponents for renouncing them, demanding they change their minds & accept their monstrosities - appealing to their free will which they deny even exists! Becoming a Calvinist is like getting brain cancer or a severe mental illness.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@apollos6640 So answer this, WHEN were Moises or David atoned if Jesus had not died on their time?
You said: "it would be accurate to say that the ELECT, have NEVER been "Dead in their trespasses & sins"." It is false. I suggest you study Calvinism before accusing.
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorgemacsparrow "WHEN were Moses or David atoned if Jesus had not on their time?"
Say what? Heb.10
For by one offering He has PERFECTED FOREVER those who ARE SANCTIFIED... but sanctification is an ongoing process... listen, "How much worse punishment do you think one will deserve who has...profane the BLOOD OF THE COVENANT by which HE WAS SANCTIFIED, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
For you have need of ENDURANCE, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised."
apollos6640 4 months ago
@fractalfires @JackMWolfe There is nothing to say here anymore. We will see on judgement day. Only Jesus will tell who was really his brother, the ones who follow the will of the father.
I am really sorry to see all this hate in you over theological debate that you cannot win with empty accusations. Again, be merciful and loving even if they don't believe what you do, we could have expended more time talking about Jesus than throwing your hate just because of a little difference you don't see.
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorge If you wait till Judgment day, it will be too late - you have to repent of these heretical doctrines NOW. Jesus told the apostate Sardis believers in Rev3:5 if they didn't repent of their apostasy then their names would be removed from the Book of LIfe & you're in the same danger. You've been given scriptures that clearly show you have a condemned gospel & that you're following a counterfeit Christ who cannot save you - as Jn17:3 says, only those who know the REAL Christ are saved.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@jorgemacsparrow In Calvinism, the ELECT are created & fashioned by God "before the foundation of the world" FOR Salvation, they walk the Earth not knowing they're SAVED because Jesus took the WRATH of God specifically for them, the ELECT on the cross.
Calvinists say Jesus didn't make Salvation"Possible" but that HE DID SAVE them--it would be accurate to say that the ELECT, have NEVER been "Dead in their trespasses & sins".
WHEN were they ever DEAD, since Jesus had ALREADY atoned them!?
apollos6640 4 months ago
@fractalfires "Teach that people ought to & can resist temptation & you get labeled as a 'sinless perfectionist'"
Yes, Calvinism mainly derails sanctification, entirely eliminating the need for it - parables like the bridesmaids, the Talents, the man who came to the wedding without the proper garment are all warnings about those who failed regarding sanctification & they were shut out of the kingdom of God. Calvinists will be among the most surprised when Christ says "I never knew you".
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@jorge"Wow! i am a son of God, and i will go to heaven if i repeat this prayer and i will have the best of my life now!!"
Wrong. If they DO believe, they need to REPENT of their sins & focus on living their lives SLAVES of Jesus Christ--or they will perish, or be cut-off, or ave their names REMOVED from the Book of Life! Jesus said to those Jews who BELIEVED Him, "IF you CONTINUE in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
apollos6640 4 months ago
@apollos Good point, discussions with Calvinists never even get to the subject of the Sanctification process - one of the main attractions of Calvinism is that the need for sanctification is completely eliminated. All the responsibilities of discipleship, obeying Christ, taking up your cross daily, forsaking sin & the world, are all lumped together as heretical - saving yourself by your works. They throw everything under that old "sovereignty bus" & do whatever they want, & any time they want.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe Where's the good news in telling people their God's offspring? they will go like "Wow! i am a son of God, and i will go to heaven if i repeat this prayer and i will have the best of my life now!! I want 2 of that God!"
Repent and believe the gospel, Jesus died for you.
The arminian prayer. "Please Lord enter to my heart, i repent." and voila they pronounce them saved. That is not the gospel. Repeat a prayer? Man's own power (or will as Ucall it) to be saved instead of God holy grace
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorge The good news is that although they're God's offspring & they've been cut off from Him by the sin nature they inherited from Adam, God has provided a way back to Himself thru Christ & it's a free gift for whosoever acknowledges their sin, repents, & turns to Christ. THAT"S the true gospel & all others, including Calvinsm, are condemned with an eternal curse by Gal1:7-9. God doesn't force a relationship with HImself on anyone nor does He deny it - it's a gift, & as such, it can be refused
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe JAJAJA!
Not again!! I already destroy your argument, and that is not the gospel. Besides Jesus says that he calls brothers all who do the will of the father not to all men!
The gospel is this, You are sinner, you deserve hell, God is Just, He is Holy. He must give you hell. But in love and mercy he died so that you may have eternal life. I preach the gospel to all men without exception, but if you can put an E to the elect, ill focus my preaching to those who are elect. No one knows.
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorge The JaJA is on you, all you've done is admit you're a liar - you preach the Arminian gospel & hide your own (Repent, for Christ MIGHT have died for you) & if you think you're doing the will of God by lying to the unsaved, coming here trying to lead others into heresy, falsely accusing people, causing division, ignoring, manipulating, & changing God's word, blaspheming God by accusing Him of creating helpless people to cast into hell, then you're deceiving yourself. You're no "brother".
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@fractalfires "Can you give me any examples of a saved drowning victim who ever regarded himself as having saved himself?" Yes you, and mad man or a liar.
"Or a man who submits to the doctor to do life-saving surgery. Does a man acknowledge himself as the life-saver?" What if it was a car accident and the guy never submits to surgery, he was unconscious , the Doctor does it anyways to save his life. Even if would prefer to die.
Man is blind, and death, he cannot save himself. Neither cooperate.
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorge You were doing better when you kept your mouth shut. Spiritual death isn't the same as physical death. The prodigal's father said, "This my son who was DEAD is alive again" - spiritual death involves separation from God NOT the loss of volition & will. Though dead, the prodigal CHOSE to return to his father. These are tired fallacious Calvinist arguments that have been refuted for CENTURIES & if you keep holding to them & denying the truth, they'll destroy you as they have Channeler.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@fractalfires @JackMWolfe Keep it up, some day maybe you will grown, you figth like 8 years toddlers. And Yes i don't use a translator like Jack.
I need more insulting and more illogical comments and more evangelical lies so that one day i can become FALSE Arminians like your selfs. Great gospel you share! If you think we are wrong, don't you have the obligation to tell us your gospel instead on these insulting comments? Didn't Jesus tell you to love your enemys and share the gospel?!
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorge Get real - the true gospel has been given to you MANY times here, it's found in verses such as Acts17:29-30 "Since then we are God's offspring...Such former ages of ignorance God ignored & allowed to pass unnoticed; but now He charges ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE to repent" Calvinism instead proclaims that all men are NOT God's children & the gospel is NOT for everyone. Maybe someday YOU'LL grow up & read the bible without those dark Reformed sunglasses on - they blind you to the truth!
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@ChristianityChannel Leave them alone. They already lost. Remember that there has to be Christians who go to hell, or why else did Jesus say "Not all who says to me Lord, Lord will enter", they are not even real arminians. Don't waste time where the Lord has hardened their hearts. I can say for all that you have been discussing, they only insult to win.
For the readers, please see and learn how arminians respond to comments, aggressively and offensive, what kind of Christians are they?!!
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@fractalfires Al parecer te burlas de mi. Eso solo me dice que estas condenado. (2do mandamiento ama a tu projimo como a ti mismo) Ya no me importa este debate, ya perdieron hace mucho tiempo gracias a tu amigo @JackMWolfe. Lo unico que logran es engañarse mas. Que lastima que no leiste todos mis comentarios. Y que si no se pronunciar Arminianos en ingles? Al menos no me burlo de tus comentarios que no son biblicos, ni logicos, simplemente no sirven como argumentos.
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorge Que hizo el ridículo aquí, alegando que saber sobre el Arminianismo, pero no pudo ni siquiera deletrear mucho menos conocen las doctrinas y sabe mucho menos sobre el Calvinismo, que eres un ignorante que necesita para estudiar los fundamentos de la Biblia.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe -Jorge doesn't pose like you do using an online translator as you do. Foolishness Jack. You M.O. is the same with everyone; fire vulgar accusations at them when the do not agree with you. The person who doesn't have an understanding of Calvinism or Arminianism is none other than you Jack. You agarin are demonstrating 1 Timothy 4:2 and Proverbs 26:12 for all others to see.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
* Correction - You're the only one talking about fatalism Jack. You didn't hear me make a reference to fatalism. One thing is plain with you; that is, the reprobate depraved mind isn't capable of realizing the things of the Spirit unless/until they're born again. You demonstrate this in each & every post. Jack, repent and turn to Jesus Christ for salvation. Believe on the historical Jesus Christ and not your "supposed free will" Cease from your wisdom, trust the LORD. Prov 9:6 & 3:5-6
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@Channeler What you're objecting to is having your ruses & shell games exposed to the light. You claim God forces grace on certain people & withholds it from others who He's created & chosen only for destruction. You don't like anyone to refer to this as fatalism & don't like your abberant doctrines presented in such clear terms - you want to put lipstick on your filthy pig. You follow Satan himself, not God - you're a liar, a blasphemer, a false accuser, a coward, & a phony. Hellbound.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe You say, "You claim God forces grace on certain people & withholds it from others who He's created & chosen only for destruction."
I've never said God forces grace. Not once. You keep saying that though. You do err. I tell you that Jesus Christ is the savior of some (who are not being tormented in hell and soon a lake of fire) Those in hell are not experiencing the grace of God. Are you delusional. I am telling you to repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Jack.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@Channeler LOL, 1st, you don't have to say the exact words "God forces grace" the "Irresistible Grace" pillar says it for you. You're a con artist trying to present your abberant doctrines in a way that they'll somehow look biblical, but the lipstick you smeared on your filthy pig can't change what it actually is. 2nd, the REAL gospel is found in Mt22:8-14 & Acts17<29-30 - ALL men are God's children, salvation is by INVITATION & the gospel is for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. You're a liar & imposter
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe Well you sure do accuse me of many things and speak evil against me falsely for Jesus Christ's sake. That can be seen. I am not a con artist. No one is born again unless Eze 36:26-27 occurs. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not a con as you assert.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@Channeler More shell games. 1st, as I just proved from the bible, the gospel of Jesus Christ is different than yours - it's by INVITATION & for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE (Mt22:8-14 & Acts17:29-30). Yours is instead limited & irresistibly forced on some & denied to others - it's therefore condemned by Gal1:7-9 with an eternal curse & so is anyone who preaches it. 2nd, you're not "suffering" for Christ's sake but for your apostasy & contradictions of the truth - you're a con artist, an imposter.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe The Gospel is not a shell game. The Gospel is limited in the reality that there will be some in heaven and some in hell. The real issue is that you don't like the fact that God saves man who is utterly inable of his own accord to add anything to the faith that God grants some. You want to promote man having the final say on who goes to heaven and hell and that is conceited, sinful rediculous, and unbiblical. Jesus Christ is our Savior not our Co-Savior. Ephesians 2:8-9 Jack.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@Channeler More shell games, everytime you speak you prove you're a lying con man. The gospel is only limited by the decison of each person to accept it or not. Christ died for the sins of the ENTIRE WORLD (1Jn2:2), salvation is by INVITATION & for ALL people (Mt22:8-14), ALL men are God's children & the gospel is for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE (Acts17:29-30). Salvation isn't FORCED on some & DENIED to others as your false gospel blasphemously claims - you're a minister of Satan, a lying imposter,
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
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@JackMWolfe - Jack, you really need to repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I will leave you now with this verse echoing in your ears, Proverbs 14:7 "Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge." I wish for your repentance and God's grace and mercy for you but for now I will leave you to your own mind for company. =0(
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@fractalfires "Grace and Mercy Jack, Not condemnation!" Another Hallmark moment."
You mean Channeler didn't convince you of his love for us who expose him as a liar & who knock down his unbiblical pillars? This imposter & phony makes the Pharisees look like cub scouts - a true son of the devil, a sold out follower of Satan. You're witnessing the vilest form of witchcraft - a practicioner of every kind of wickedness & deception then putting God's name on it. Hell awaits him expectantly.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe - I am not attempting to convince you of my love for you, apollos, or fractal fires. You do err again. That is not the Gospel Jack (just like all the videos on your channel; they have nothing soul-worthy to offer, much like you). You do err again comparing me to a Pharisee Jack. The Pharisees were all about works of the laws (and then some) along with religious tradition. I am pointing you to the LORD God Almighty Jesus Christ (who the Pharisees opposed).
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
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@fractalfires "El apóstata de corazón tiene que hacer su deber. Arrastra sus pies para hacerlo y le oirás cantando himnos de los apóstatas de corazones. "...para mí es difícil obedecer, y más difícil amar" -Carlos G. Finney"
macsparrow ha volado de la jaula - espero que por fin despertó de su degenerada amigos y doctrinas defectuosas.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@fractalfires - You just have to get in your heresy of Sola Ecclesia. Heresy. The Gospel is clear. You can see it on my channel. It plays automatically when you visit the channel. Sola Scriptura is an essential of the faith that you do not embrace. You do erry by following the ECFS and the ANCFs. You err in thinking geographic proximity to the truth is credible. It's not. Heretics followed and listened to Jesus and his disciples. Did you forget 1 John 2:18-19? Solus Christus!
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@fractalfires - You say, "You grossly oppose God's grace!" I hardly call it 'grace' when a puppeteer pulls on a string. " I've never once called God a "puppeteer." You, Apollos, & JackMWolfe have all called the Most High a puppeteer. None of you show no remorse for you blasphemies nor do you maintain a cogent conversation without superimposing your vulgar, reprobate remarks, thoughts, and conclusions on Christians. You think I accuse? I proclaim the truth about your situation.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@fractalfires - "What I see is a desperate attempt from you to draw attention away from yourself..." I hope the attention is not on myslef but on our LORD God Almighty, Jesus Christ. We are supposed to be lights on a hill proclaiming the Gospel and not the false righteousness by the law that you embrace or the synergistic decisional regeneration that the "degenerate" JackMWolfe proclaims. You need to see what God says about you and your beliefs and that comes through his Word A-L-O-N-E.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
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into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than
the light because their works were evil."
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ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@fractalfires Calvinists are among the most biblically ignorant & evasive of any other Christian cult - but have you ever seen a more pathetic & cowardly display as Channeler has put on here? It makes one feel sorry for those who've innocently strayed into Calvinism's deceptions & haven't yet realized it's heretical. This has to be real ammonia on the windshield for them, & if they want to avoid ending up exactly like Channeler, they better wake up & smell the apostasy while there's still time.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
The best witnesses against Calvinism are Calvinists themselves! Is there anyone watching this pathetic display who would ever want to become one? It's like prodding someone who's hiding in a deep dark hole to come out & face the light, these gutless cowards just hide in the recesses of the earth & throw mud at those who pass by. When they get to Channeler's stage of this malignant cancer, blasphemy of the Spirit, they can never be restored - it's unforgivable. Don't let it happen to you.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe - What Jack is engaging in is called the
"Ad Hominem Attack"
In Jack's case, he adds contempt, aggrogance, vulgarity, and immaturity to his ignornace.
I pray that others watching will see your display and realize that whatever you are embracing is contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ as well as biblical precepts. To you, Jack, I tell you repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Lay down your foolishness, go in the way of understanding and live.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@Channel You've been "attacked" & exposed by the Truth & by God's word as a liar, a Christian imposter, & a coward - those are facts which anyone can verify by a review. Your claim that you don't embrace or promote fatalism was exposed as a lie, you falsely accused me of being vulgar, a reprobate, etc when YOU are guilty of such, & your continued evasion to simply stand forth like a man & agree that God send judgment according to Heb10:30 upon the imposter & liar here confirms that it's YOU!
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe Jack, no lies here. All one need do is read your comments to understand that you are vulgar and a reprobate. It shows in your conversation. You do accuse me of many things, those of which you are guilty which means that you speak lies in hypocrisy, as 1 Tim 4:2 teaches us; an accuser of the brethren and a ravenous wolf. Your misrepresentation of Hebrews 10:30 is no more believable when you repeat it. Your conversation is not biblical; it's a vicious attack on real Christianity.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@Channeler The only lies here are those you brought with you, & they've all been exposed - the self-induced lobotomy you performed on yourself with Calvinism's demonic doctrines makes you the only one incapable of seeing yourself for the imposter you are, it's a judgment against you for your blasphemy. When Calvinists reach your stage of hardness against the truth, God gives them over to the darkness - you'll continue on in denial & your opposition to the truth until you hit the Lake of Fire.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe There is no denial or opposition from me. The only thing that is clearly seen by all here is that you have set yourself up in a position to pass damning judgment and condemnation on others when you are in no position to do so. That makes you delusional. I will, again, invite you to my channel to hear the real Gospel spoken. You will not find the anti-Christ musical garbage that you have posted on your channel (which cannot save man). Jack, Proverbs 9:6 before it's too late!
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@Channel "There's no denial or opposition from me"
LOL. 1st, if true you’d confess to lying when you claimed not to embrace or promote fatalism when you actually DO believe in Calvinistic predestination - that God irresistibly saves the elect & withholds other's ability to respond to the gospel. 2nd only someone aware they're lying would evade having God judge what they've been saying - you KNOW you're a liar, an imposter, & a blasphemer - your concern over Heb10:30 is about YOURSELF not me.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe - You are the only one talking about fatalissm Jack. You did not here me make a reference to fatalism. Again, all you have is your reprobate mind to dream up vulgar conclusions so there is no surprise there. You are not able to exegete Hebrews 10:30 much less the whole of scripture which, again, is of no real surprise.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe Another thing that I believe separates us Jack is when I go to the LORD in prayer, I do not ask for His judgment and wrath to fall on you but I pray that He would extend his Mercy and Grace to you so that you may know, become wise, and go in the way of truth and understanding. I do not pray for or prematurely anticipate, or viciously hope for your eternal torment. Grace and Mercy Jack, Not condemnation!
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
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ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
Notice his continued evasion while falsely accusing those who confront his lies as being "vulgar" "having a reprobate mind" & that his reason for not answering is because I "don't agree with his conclusions" (!?) The REAL reason is because he's an apostate promoting an unbiblical, condemned gospel, blasphemes the True God by claiming He creates helpless people solely for destruction, & he refuses to stand forth & agree to be judged according to Heb10:30 because he KNOWS he's a lying imposter!
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe Who on earth ever taught you such an unbiblical view of Hebrews 10:30? Don't tell me the Holy Spirit for the Holy Spirit does not speak vulgar lies as you are currently doing. You have to trample on the whole of the bible to come up with the conclusion that you have about Hebrews 10:30, Jack. You also have to disregard context and syntax to render such a reprobate understanding of the passage. Jack, can't you see the craziness of your conclusion? You grossly oppose God's grace!
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
LOL, notice his repeated evasion of the issues - his statement that he doesn't embrace or promote fatalism was exposed as a lie & he keeps maintaining that Heb10:30 doesn't apply to the issues here involving blasphemy, false accusations, heresy, division, manipulation of God's word, lying, imposters, etc "The Lord will judge & settle the cause & the cases of His people" It applies DIRECTLY to the situation & he won't agree to stand forth & be judged by it becasue he's guilty on ALL counts!
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe LOL? I see no nned for further comentary re: Hebrews 10:30. I've already exegeted it for you 4 times over the past 2 months. I will remind you that God sends real Christians out to proclaim the gospel and not challenge them to imagined "line drawn in the sand" confrontations that are the halmark of your presence on YouTube. I do not expect you to understand. Christians will. You will not, until you are born again Jack. The Gospel is Grace and Mercy Jack, faith not of oursleves
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
Anyone who continues to embrace Calvinism after seeing what it has done to those like Channeler deserves what happens to them. He's been exposed here as a complete fraud who tries to cover his aberrant beliefs with a thin veneer trying to make them appear biblical then runs when the ruse is exposed, & he's a gutless coward who refuses to simply stand forth & agree to have his outrageous doctrinal claims & false accusations scrutinized & judged by God - he refuses because he's a lying imposter!
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe - Your comments expose yourself; the real JackMWolfe. You can continue to try to manipulate others by issuing ultimatums and threats but the truth is found in the pages of our Holy Bible and not from the lips of an unholy JackMWolf. For those reading these comments, notice how Jack's conversation becomes vulgar when a Christian challenges the heresies he is pushing.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
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ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe 1st my English is not very good, i know that. my language is Spanish. 2nd of course is relevant, all scripture is!! 3rd Jesus is the center, he was falsely accused as i am. You are like a pharisee.
You posted here "Calvinism vs. Arminianism - A Solution" and didn't understand either. 4th. You didn't answer my question.
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
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@jorgemacsparrow You'll have to excuse Jack,it's believed that he has been drop on his head as a small child more than once.He lurks Youtube searching for Christians who don't,and won't, believe his false doctrine so he can attempt to persecute them.
CBALLEN 4 months ago
@jorge 1st, you claimed to know what Arminianism is, you’ve shown here that you DON’T & can’t even spell it - it’s spelled the same in ALL languages! 2nd, all scripture is indeed relevant but Dan4:35 isn’t relevant to what we’re discussing - your comment is an evasive strawman. 3rd, Christ was falsely accused but that has nothing to do with you - YOU'VE been shown here to be guilty of apostasy. 4th I’m non-denominational & it's irrelevant - your rejection of God's word is what confronts you.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
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ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
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@JackMWolfe Stop telling nonsense. Daniel 4:35 - "All the peoples of the earth are regarded as NOTHING. He does as HE PLEASES with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: “What have you done?”"
You are using my words for your own purpose like you do with the bible.
"any genuine Armenian church" - So tell me what denomination are you?
"demonic doctrines" - Jesus was accused of having demons too by the pharisees.
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorge 1st, you'd be more convincing about how much you know about Arminianism if you at least learned how to spell it. 2nd, Dan4:35 is irrelevant to the issues under discussion - God indeed does as He wills but His sovereign will regarding salvation is that it will be offerred to mankind as a GIFT, He doesn't force it on some or withhold it from others as Calvinism falsely claims - it's CALVINISTS who deny God's sovereignty, NOT Arminians. 3rd, Jesus was falsely accused - but you're guilty.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe John wrote, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that YOU MAY NOT SIN..." Why would John, write "so that YOU may not sin" when sinning is FIRST DECREED by God?
Can man "THWART" Gods DECREE to sin by NOT sinning?
apollos6640 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe I know more Arminianism than you because i live with them! i know what they think and they are not rock-hearted like you. Mi current denomination church is the church of the Nazarene. But i prefer to be in a Southern-Baptist, but in mi town there are none. So i humble my self, not accusing Arminians being satanists as you suggest we are.... you truly are not Armenian nor christian.
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe Im sad you really are blind, you use hate, i do not. Just read what you've wrote. I already told you on theological base i am a 5 point Calvinist, but opened to bible truth that has not been misinterpreted. Calvin is not my God, nor the way, Jesus is! Thats is way i prefer people like Charles H. Spurgeon and John Wesley. Please realize this!!!!! I am a Calvinist attending to an Armenian church, and they treat me with love! not criticizing me for being a Calvinist!!
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorge You regard the truth as hate because your false doctrines are violently opposed to it - any genuine Arminian church who tolerated an open Calvinist does so in the hopes that they'll recognize their apostasy, repent of Calvinism's false gospel & demonic doctrines, & be restored. If you continue on the path you're now on, you'll be destroyed. Calvinism promotes a condemned gospel with an eternal curse on it according to Gal1:7-9, & blasphemes God as a tyrant who destroys helpless people.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
*disciplines
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@apollos6640 @JackMWolfe Again and for the last time, please study calvinism at deep theological level, so that we can speak like brothers and not enemys. So you know i have studied both Arminianism and Calvinism. Don't presume you understand calvinism because of what you write is not calvinism at all!
And so you know i prefer to be called a 5 point Spurgeonist :)
It seems i understand more Arminianism than both of you and i am sad to hear how dumb you sound.
God bless.
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorge "I prefer to be called a 5 point Spurgeonist"
1st, we prefer the truth - you’re a 10-point Satanist. You reject God's word, twist it, change it, & evade it, promote a false gospel, divide the church with heresy, falsely accuse others, misrepresent the true God, despise the real Christ, & blaspheme the Holy Spirit. 2nd, we understand Calvinism better than you & that's why we reject it - only a blind fool can't see that these are totally opposite belief systems that can't be reconciled.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
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JackMWolfe 4 months ago
3rd, tell us the exact flavor of Kalvin Kool-aid you ingested so no one will "misrepresent your beliefs" anymore - are you a Moderate, Hyper, or Strict Calvinist? Are you a 5-pointer, Amyraldian, or another number? Do you believe God decreed Adam's fall, permitted the fall, or that God decreed man would be allowed to fall into sin through his own self-determination? Are you associated with Particularism or Pajonism? Affiliated with a denomination? 4th, you know NOTHING about Arminianism.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@ChristianityChannel Hear this. I already tried to speak with love, but they a re blind, you wont change their minds, it is sad that a Calvinist shows more love and mercy than any Arminian in this conversation. They condemn us to hell even so i tried to make them understand, I believe that Arminians are christians too, but this guys are not truly Arminians. Their fake.
John Wesley would be offended by these guys.
"Something worse than an arrogant calvinist is an arrogant arminian" - R.C. Sproul
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorgemacsparrow I too believe there are many "Arminian" Christians. I am also aware that when professed Christians continue to oppose the truth when it is presented to them over a prolonged period of time, it means one of two things; 1. They are not what they profess to be and are storing up wrath fro their selves (Rom 2:5) or 2. They have significant chastisment in store for them for we know that the Lord discinplines the ones he loves, (Hebrews 12:6).
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@Channeler "you misrepresent [me]"
That Piper quote came from “How God Makes Known the Riches of His Glory to the Vessels of Mercy,” sermon on Rom 9:19–23 (February 16, 2003)
Don't panic, no one is "misrepresenting you", I'm here to educate you.
Piper claims that God DECIDES who will rebel. And then, those who rebel because God decided they would, justly deserve to perish for that God-caused rebellion.
Thus GOD is the CREATOR of Moral Evil, He then SOVEREIGNLY IMPOSES ths Evil unto mankind
apollos6640 4 months ago
@apollos6640 - You do misrepresent me. I've told you that I do not quote Piper or anyone. You want to bring others into the conversation and I am telling you, let's go to the bible for the answer, Sola Scriptura. Men are fallible. Piper is fallible. I don't listen to him so bringing him into this discussion is a moot point, of no significance. Before you consider educating anyone you must first be born of the Spirit and learn otherwise you are only subverting the truth.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@Channeler ". The God I worship is perfect, holy, sovereign, just, loving, righteous, without blemish, without end, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent"
Of course! But these qualities of Holiness become SUBJECTIVE from your Calvinistic definition of SOVEREIGNTY; where God brings into existance INVOLUNTARILY DEAD & Depraved people from the moment of conception-- worthy of DAMNATION.
You know nothing of His "Holiness", all you've done is exchanged FATALISTIC ideas for the SOVEREIGNTY of God
apollos6640 4 months ago
@apollos6640 You say, "But these qualities of Holiness become SUBJECTIVE from your Calvinistic definition of SOVEREIGNTY" W-R-O-N-G! You, like so many others, superimpose your conclusions about what you think I believe about Calvinism and God. Your superimposing such places you in a precarious situation where you will have to answer for your false accusations. I do not embace or promote fatalism. You say this of me thus you are an accuser. Are you willingto bear the consequences for such?
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@Channeler "I do not embace or promote fatalism. You say this of me thus you are an accuser"
So you don't believe in Calvinism's definititon of predestination - that God irresistibly saves the elect & withholds the ability of others to respond to the gospel? Are YOU willing to bear the consequences of trying to cloak your real beliefs by using word games & are you now willing to agree to stand before God & ask for His judgment to fall according to Heb10:30 on the REAL imposter & liar here?
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe For others reading this post, notice how when JackMWolfe begins a sentence with "So you don't believe.....etc." or "So you believe....etc." that this is a common method of decption to superimpose HIS conclusion upon a Christian. Jack knows that I oppose his synergistic, work-righteous bad news (a belief that one can lose their salvation based on behavior; one based on man's works rigteousness). Jack is wise in his own conceit and we know what Proverbs 26:12 says of him.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
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@ChristianityChannel You're absolutely right,Jack thinks his works righteousness can get him into Heaven,he's nothing more than a Roman Catholic who calls God ignorant.
CBALLEN 4 months ago
For onlookers, notice how Channeler claimed he "doesn't embrace or promote fatalism" but when confronted with the fact he DOES affirm Calvinism's definititon of predestination - that God irresistibly saves the elect & withholds other's ability to respond to the gospel, he evaded it by attacking the form of the question - his denial of fatalism was an attempt to cloak his beliefs using word games. Notice also his refusal to agree for judgment to fall according to Heb10:30 on the imposter here.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
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ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
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@JackMWolfe - Jack clearly does not understand Hebrews 10:30
much less the doctrines of grace, the five solas, monergism...
Re: Jack's misrepresenting Heb 10:30 the bible clearly teaches:
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ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe - Jack you keep brining up Hebrews 10:30 not understanding that passage. You use it as some trigger to challenge Christians to tempt the LORD their God. Christians are covered by the blood, the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ and will not experience God's judgment; issuing such a statement in that manner is folly. I'm covered Jack, forgiven, made the righteousness of God through Christ. And, I would NOT pray for your destruction Jack, but for God's grace and mercy on you.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
Notice everyone that Channeler again evaded the fact he was lying when he claimed "not to embrace or promote fatalism" - he DOES affirm Calvinism's definititon of predestination - that God irresistibly saves the elect & withholds other's ability to respond to the gospel. And he evaded Heb10:30 again "The Lord will judge & settle the cause & the cases of His people" which applies DIRECTLY here - the issues are heresy, false accusations, blasphemy, lying, & imposters - all Channeler's sins!
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe I will speak openly with joy about the Gospel. No evasion here Jack. I just don't answer your questions in the manner which you desire. The reason for that is because I will not agree with your conclusions. I call them vain imaginations from a reprobate mind. Christians know that Hebrews is not a clarion commandment to call God's judgment and wrath on those who disagree with you. Just the opposite in fact. Vengence and judgement belongs to the Lord and not JackMWolfe. Amen!
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@Channeler "God is Holy. God is Sovereign. Completely. There is NO such thing as one attribute taking precidence over the other."
Correct. However because of the redefinition of SOVEREIGNTY per Calvinism; Gods Divine qualities of Justice/Mercy/Love & Grace are degraded & destroyed. In a world of Causal Determinism, He's reduced to being a Static & Omnipotent Tyrant
The sovereign God “DECIDES who will believe and undeservingly be saved and who will rebel and deservingly perish.” —John Piper
apollos6640 4 months ago
@apollos6640 No, God's attributes are not degraded except for in the minds and based on the opinions of mortal men. I do not quote Piper. Let's stay with the bible and not mere men, OK. Your vision of God being reduced to a static and onimpotent tyrant exists in your mind only (and perhaps the minds of others who are like you). The God I worship is perfect, holy, sovereign, just, loving, righteous, without blemish, without end, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, He is God. We are not.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe Jajaja, better!. I know why i believe in Calvinism, i have studied deeply both. I hope you could study more deeply Calvinism and not criticize. For me to hear those last statements you said, sounded more like Calvinism. You may not like it but we believe almost the same. This answer was more clear than before. Thanks. One more thing, don't assume who is going to heaven, God is the one who saves, I am going to heaven, if you are going to, we will see us there, remember, i am elect. :)
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorge No, we don't believe the same at all - Calvinism promotes a condemned gospel that has an eternal curse on it according to Gal1:7-9 & so do those who preach it. Calvinism also has a counterfeit god who creates helpless people for the sole purpose of destroying them instead of a loving heavenly Father Who desires NO ONE to perish. Jesus said in Jn17:3 "This is eternal life: to know You, the only true God & to know Him, Jesus Christ Whom You have sent" According to Christ, you aren't saved.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe these peoples ideas are locked! Even when quoting their own, they wanna ignore their quotations, pull the "you misrepresent calvinism" card...and remain obstinant. Whatever.
apollos6640 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe You also said "unrepentant sinners have no need for a Savior. " it is wrong. It is unrepentant sinners who need a savior. Don't you know that you where a sinner once, or still are? didn't you needed a savior if you truly are christian? We all need a savior, it doesn't mean we are all going to be saved.
And one more thing, where is God's love and mercy in your speak? Doesn't God gives a lot of opportunities to men to repent?
Be Careful when you speak my friend. God bless.
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@JackMWolfe Thnxs for your answer. 1st Calvinism is all about the sovereignty of God, Arminianism is all about free will. So your are wrong. 2nd You said "those who respond to it will be saved", i wonder how can they respond if the bible teaches that man can't respond to God? Even Armenians believe in "Preventive Grace" God must first come to men for them to repent. 3rd You said "they weren't Christ's sheep", of course not, no one is sheep until they believe.
jorgemacsparrow 4 months ago
@jorge 1st, Calvinism has a distorted view of God's sovereignty - blasphemously claiming God forces salvation on some & denies it to others who He created only for destruction. Arminians believe God's sovereign will is to offer salvation to ALL men as a GIFT which they can choose to reject - it's CALVINISTS who deny God's sovereign will NOT Arminians. 2nd, Arminians acknowledge that man will not & cannot come to God on his own, it's a work of the Spirit to draw them BUT that they can refuse it.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
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@JackMWolfe - You intentionally misrepresent the biblical teachings which you label as Calvinism. You fool none but yourself! 1st - You said, "claiming God forces salvation on some & denies it to others" Nonsense! God saves some, period. Those who are not saved are justly damned, period. 2. God saves man period. It is not a matter of God respecting the I-M-A-G-I-N-E-D free-will decision of an unregenerate spirit. 3. No one submits unless saved. Rom 3:11, 1 Cor 2:14, Exe 36:25-27.
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@ChristianityChannel "Calvinist place Gods Sovereignty ABOVE His Holiness" W-R-O-N-G! "Calvinist place Gods Sovereignty ABOVE His Holiness"
Yes, I'm R-I-G-H-T!! Which of these would you say is correct?
A) God commands something because its right. Or
B) It is right because God commands it.
A consistent Calvinists chooses option 'B'... therefore, His SOVEREIGNTY comes 1st, His Holiness comes 2nd. If you have any further questions, I'm here to educate you.
apollos6640 4 months ago
@apollos6640 - You're not educating anyone. You're subverting the truth about the Holiness and Soverignty of God. God is Holy. God is Sovereign. Completely. There is NO such thing as one attribute taking precidence over the other. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God, equally One God, no disharmony. You subvert the truth about God's attributes comparing his to fallen man's prioritzation of values which is Humanism. Cease from thy own wisdom! Proverbs 9:6!
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
@jorge 3rd, they weren't Christ's sheep because they refused to heed God's message to repent given to them by John the Baptist (Lk7:30) & it's not that they didn't actually need a Savior, because ALL men do, but those who refuse to acknowledge their sin THINK they don't need one. Only those who submit to conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit & repent will ever come to Christ - all others won't see any need for Him. 4th, God DOES give many opportunities to repent - this is another one for you.
JackMWolfe 4 months ago
@jorgemacsparrow ". 1st Calvinism is all about the sovereignty of God, Arminianism is all about free will"
Wrong.
Calvinist place Gods Sovereignty ABOVE His Holiness,
Arminians place His Holiness above His Sovereignty.
Calvinist place God Wills above His Morals
Arminians place Gods Morals aabove His Will.
apollos6640 4 months ago
@apollos6640 "Calvinist place Gods Sovereignty ABOVE His Holiness" W-R-O-N-G!
"Calvinist place Gods Sovereignty ABOVE His Holiness" W-R-O-N-G A-G-A-I-N!
Both you and Jack misrepresent other Christians as well as the teachings of Calvin.
More importantly you subvert the truth, God's revelation of Himself; promoting your own foolish conceit.
All have sinned, all fall short of God's glory, the wages of sin is death, God saves some for His Glory Alone.
By His mercy and grace!
ChristianityChannel 4 months ago
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@JackMWolfe I dont want to post anymore on this, but just to understand you a bit more, 1) you say "Salvation is a GIFT" if you have a chocolate you are forced to give it to me? or you would have the right to give it to whom you want to?? 2) you say "THEY choose to reject Him", could you please tell me WHY?? based on the bible why do they reject them. and please be logical and biblical. Without insults or misjudgments, i want to hear you answer.
jorgemacsparrow 5 months ago
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jorgemacsparrow 5 months ago
@JackMWolfe It appears it can not be discussed further, you neither read the bible nor history. i win the discussion. No longer posting here. i gave you an opportunity to give me something of value. Like Armenian John Wesley would have. but you are not a real armenian. I feel sorry for you. God bless you. Take care.
jorgemacsparrow 5 months ago
@jorge Sorry to pop your little balloon but YOU have been proven to be ignorant of both the bible & the history of your hero & namesake. Calvinism is a product of collusion between an unrepentant murderer & Satan himself that produced a limited, condemned gospel (Repent for Christ MIGHT have died for you) & blasphemes God by accusing Him of creating helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell in order to "glorify himself". If you don't repent of it, it will destroy you.
JackMWolfe 5 months ago
How do you Arminians like JackMWolfe explain away the clear verses in the gospel of John that Jesus spoke (the words in red) concerning His sheep, who he was praying for, and the children of the devil that he said could not believe him? The gospel of John blows your "salvation by man's choice" away. You preach a different gospel than grace by God's sovereign will. Your doctrine demands man's cooperation to accomplish what God could not do. You should study the scriptures and learn the truth.
JesusIsTheOneWay 5 months ago
@OneWay Nonsense, NOTHING in the book of John says God prevented them from believing in Christ - their rejection of the message of repentance by John the Baptist shut them out (Lk7:30), those who won't acknowledge their sin have no need for a Savior. By refusing to repent, they CHOSE not to be Christ's sheep, but that's not what God desired for them.
JackMWolfe 5 months ago
@JackMWolfe "No man can come to me except the Father which draws him to me" - Jesus. (John 6:44) The Father makes it possible for those chosen, Jesus makes it happen. "Why do you not understand my speech? Because you cannot hear my word. You are of your father the devil" - Jesus (John 8: 43 - 44) "But you believe not BECAUSE you are not of my sheep" - Jesus. (John 10:26) His Sheep believe. Dogs bark. Cows moo. Ducks quack. Belief is the result of being one of the sheep.
JesusIsTheOneWay 5 months ago
@OneWay You're prooftexting, no one denies that God must draw men to Christ. Salvation is a work of the Spirit - man cannot & will not come to God on his own. God must make a way for him which He has done thru Christ, must convict him of his sin & need for a Savior, & call him to repentance. NONE of that negates the fact that man can reject the call. Salvation is a GIFT, God doesn't force it on anyone & certainly doesn't deny it to anyone as Calvinism falsely claims - THEY choose to reject Him
JackMWolfe 5 months ago
@JackMWolfe But in the end, your doctrine has man being the deciding factor instead of God. In your theology, the millions of people who never hear the gospel just got a bad break. At least Calvinism is consistent in saying that those who do not hear the gospel were never intended to hear it. God provides the means to the end for all those who He has chosen. You still cannot get around the powerful words of Jesus himself when he said the Jews could not believe because they were not His sheep.
JesusIsTheOneWay 5 months ago
@OneWay 1st, it's GOD who has sovereignly determined that salvation will be a gift, not forced upon or denied to anyone - it's CALVINISTS who deny God's sovereign will not Arminians! 2nd, according to Rom1, men are judged by the light they have which could be as little as the witness of creation & their own conscience - those who respond to it will be saved. 3rd, they weren't Christ's sheep because they rejected John's message to repent (Lk7:30) - unrepentant sinners have no need for a Savior.
JackMWolfe 5 months ago
@JackMWolfe Jesus never says that people are not his sheep BECAUSE they don't believe. But he does say that people don't believe, in fact can't even hear him, because they are not his sheep. You have the cause and effect backwards. We believe because we are chosen to receive the gift. of faith. "All who were appointed to eternal life believed".
JesusIsTheOneWay 5 months ago
@OneWay No, they didn''t believe in Christ because they didn't believe & obey His forerunner, John the Baptist & his message of repentance. Those who submit to the conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit will also submit to Christ, He is God's solution for sin - all others cannot & will not accept Christ because they don't need Him. You've forced a different cause & effect into Jn10:26 based on Calvinism - that they didn't believe in Christ because God predestined them for destruction, not true.
JackMWolfe 5 months ago
@JackMWolfe why arminians always say that? didn't Armenians kill innocent people when the Synod of Dort rejected armenianism? READ THE HISTORY!! Armenian John Wesley believe that Calvinist are going to heaven so why you are different? Don't you read? i suggest you start studying before condemning someone to hell. Oh i fear for your soul, i don't think your going to heaven my friend
You speak about the true God, do you even know who God really is?
Calvinist dont promote a dif. gospel, so you know
jorgemacsparrow 5 months ago
@jorge LOL, so you claim I'm going to hell because I informed you that preaching a false gospel & worshipping a counterfeit God will send you to hell according to the bible? Typical Calvinist hypocrisy! 1st, you need to read YOUR history - it was Calvin who burned people at the stake for disagreeing with his doctrines! 2nd, Calvin's "gospel" is just BAD news for most of mankind & disagrees with Paul's in Acts17:29-30 who says ALL men are God's children & the gospel is for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.
JackMWolfe 5 months ago
@JackMWolfe JAJA!!! What an ignorant. The verse has nothing to do with "all men without exception" it says only at verse 30 - "all people everywhere to repent", 1st: God is calling people to repent, not to be saved!! why it doesn't say to believe in the gospel too? it is a requirement to believe in Jesus and repent, so the focus of the author is different. 2nd: The context say to repent of believing in God not as an image "is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill"
jorgemacsparrow 5 months ago
@jorge The JAJA is on YOU - 1st, Paul clearly states that ALL men are God's children & He desires ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent & those who do are given to Christ for regeneration - God doesn't give FAKE calls to repent while withholding the ability of some people to obey the call - that's blasphemy! 2nd, Ps5:5 doesn't support your stupidity either - God does hate ALL sinners which means ALL men who come from Adam but He's ALSO provided atonement thru Christ for them & calls them ALL to repent!
JackMWolfe 5 months ago
@JackMWolfe Also.. You mention calvin to burn people? search google for "History of Calvinist-Arminian debate". I suggest you start reading.
John Calvin and Jacobus Arminius where death (both) when the war started. jajaja!
You said "2nd, Calvin's "gospel" is just BAD news for most of mankind", jajaja, mankind? Here's your bad news my friend Psalm 5:5, he hates all who sins, and Rom 3:23 all humans (descendants of Adan) without exception are sinners.
jorgemacsparrow 5 months ago
@jorge 3rd, I know the history of John Calvin & he was an unrepentant murderer of other Christians who rejected his false doctrines - that's a historical, undeniable FACT. Look up Michael Servetus - he was a scholar who Calvin corresponded with about his doctrines. Calvin betrayed Servetus by sending copies of those letters to the Inquisition who arrested him. Servetus escaped & went to Geneva for help not realizing Calvin had betrayed him - then Calvin had him arrested & executed.
JackMWolfe 5 months ago
Please read and inform yourself!! read the Christian history, read the bible, study Arminianism and Calvinism so you can truly understand before coming and writing things that doesn't make any sense nor are biblical or historical.
2 Cor. 3:15 - Examine your self to see if your in the faith.
jorgemacsparrow 5 months ago
@droptozro
So you are not an Armenian neither Calvinist. You are saying i am not a child of God and finally saying that if i am a Calvinist i am not preaching the gospel and going to hell because i am accursed. What type of christian are you anyways?
Didn't you read?? Or are you blind? What then, should the body of Christ be divided?
Tell how is my gospel that you haven't heard different from yours?
If you are truly saved you will study the bible, and some day you will understand what love is.
jorgemacsparrow 5 months ago
@jorgemacsparrow Calvinism promote a different gospel than the bible's (Repent, for Christ MIGHT have died for you) & accuses God of creating helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell in order to "glorify himself" False gospels are eternally condemned according to Gal1:7-9 & Jn17:3 says eternal life is knowing the TRUE God & Christ - by Christ's own definitiion, Calvinists are on the path to destruction by blaspheming the True God & worshipping a counterfeit Christ.
JackMWolfe 5 months ago
No my dear friend, Christians are both Armenians and Calvinists, but you are blind to see it by the ruler of this world. Don't say that Calvinism is not the gospel, because it is to blame the Armenians for the prosperity gospel. I think now we don't see the same, if you are really saved from God, by God, for God then i can only say that Christ will do what we can't, be the same on mind and spirit. (Reply from Armenian John Wesley to Calvinist George Whitefield)
Please read the whole bible.
jorgemacsparrow 5 months ago
@jorgemacsparrow
I'm not an Arminian, but if you're teaching the Limited Atonement--you're not saved. If you hold to that doctrine and are keeping it to yourself I could see how your deception could allow you to be fine in your blindness--but if you're teaching that doctrine(as a true Calvinist should)---then you're teaching a false gospel. Case and point, Paul said false gospels were accursed, so I say the same to you---repent! You serve a different god.
droptozro 5 months ago
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Historically, Armenians are always attacking Calvinist because their theology was rejected at the Synod of Dort, they are jealous. So after they where rejected they started a civil war. Mmmmhh... maybe they are still jealous. I suggest you study Calvinism before you attack, and another tip, Arminianism was born out of Calvinism, check out the history, Jacobus Arminius studied Calvinism, and Calvinism there for is older than Arminianism. Both theology at the core are the same. Christ!!
jorgemacsparrow 5 months ago
Historically, Armenians are always attacking Calvinist because their theology was rejected at the Synod of Dort, they are jealous. So after they where rejected they started a civil war. Mmmmhh... maybe they are still jealous. I suggest you study Calvinism before you attack, and another tip, Arminianism was born out of Calvinism, check out the history, Jacobus Arminius studied Calvinism, and Calvinism there for is older than Arminianism. Both theology at the core are the same. Christ!!
jorgemacsparrow 5 months ago
The moral of the story is Calvinists can't answer. ...Christ died for the ungodly... But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us - Romans 5:6-8. That proves Christ died for everyone. But... The Lord is... not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance - 2 Peter 3:9. 1 Tim. 2:3,4. is also great here. Jesus' death will ONLY apply to you if you repent from sin and get born again by the Holy Spirit.Choose whom U srv
boldforjesus 6 months ago
00:49 is my FAVORITE question!!!!!!!!!!!
TeaPartier22 6 months ago
This is totally wrong in many ways! P!NK says if God is a DJ, life is a dancefloor, and goes on to say that man is the music! Provision doesn't matter if you're drunk and mackin chicks on the dancefloor!
Miming85 6 months ago
@TheKJVberean That's a really ignorant statement. I was raised/attended 2-3 Arminian churches before finally ending up in a Sovereign Grace (Reformed) church. The devotion to scriptural understanding in the reformed community vs. emergent/Arminian types of today - is night and day. That means reading the Bible and understanding the scriptures. There are other arguments where I see Calvinists being dogmatic but to say they don't read their Bible is just not true.
PSUIVERSON 8 months ago
1 Timothy 2: 1-4
"I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people, for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth".
This is beyond argument.
All means All
Acts 2:21
"And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved".
Try to make that complicated
hammerogod 10 months ago
@hammerogod 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. Romans 8:29-30. ***Try to make THAT complicated***
PSUIVERSON 8 months ago
hammerogod 8 months ago
Arminianism is a return to Rome.
atoam 1 year ago 2
@atoam Try Molinism.
TeaPartier22 6 months ago
@TeaPartier22
Molinism is also a RETURN TO ROME, but more subtle.
700rwhp 6 months ago
@700rwhp 1) Rome didn't have EVERYTHING wrong.
2) It's only a "return to Rome" if you worship Calvinism as your god in the first place.
3) Arminianism and Molinism aren't the same.
You can keep your god who gives no free will to man, then damns those same men to Hell, and calls it his "pleasure". Your blood-thirsty, hateful, unjust deity deserves no worship. But then again, I'm "predestined" to believe that anyway.
Calvinism destroys the Great Commission.
TeaPartier22 6 months ago
That was a silly straw man argument if I ever saw one. Calvinists get their beliefs from the Bible alone. A confession of faith is not the Bible but it does summarize what the Reformed Christian believes the Bible says. Trouble is Arminians have to save themselves. Calvinists are elect before creation but salvation is a golden chain. Read the Bible! (Romans 8:28-30; Ephesians 1:4, 11). Not one of His elect will be lost (John 6:37-44, 10:11, 15, 27-28).
cranmer1959 1 year ago
All i have to say is the demons believ in Christ and they tremble. Go read the Bible more you Armineans who condemn Calvinists. I'll pray that God illuminates your heart to the truth.
Kylerox321 1 year ago
@Kylerox321 But praying for them wont work, they are predestined not to believe, think about it...
Natester27 1 year ago
@Natester27 You should read the Bondage of the Will (Luther).
PSUIVERSON 8 months ago
@Natester27
take time to get past the misrepresentations, try actually reading the Bible without making up your mind what the text means, before extracting the true meaning from the text.
700rwhp 6 months ago
there is not a drop of evidence that hell is eternal and if you think so then by all mean send my a message and I will gladly refute your argument : )
Dwrancho144 1 year ago
I do NOT believe in "lose your salvation"(heresy and blasphemy) but calvinism = devil worship.
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
BAHAHAHAHA
"personaly I like reading the bible"
so true, so true,
calvanists love their systematic theology books
TheOkstate2012 1 year ago
@NewDirection4us If you are going to accuse me of double talk, then accuse God of double talk, because God tells man to circumcise the foreskin of their heart's. Afterwards, he tells man that he is unable to circumcise his own heart, and that man is blind and death to the things of God. Then God tells man that He will circumcise man's heart in the new covenant. but he hold's those whom he does not circumcise responsable for doing what is impossible and that is circumcising their own hearts!
NB3K 1 year ago
@NewDirection4us There is not a problem with believeing that Jesus died for "all men" and while still holding to Jesus only making rigteous the Elect. All because Jesus died for the sins of someone that does not mean they are owed imputed righteousness. It just means that he holds the sin debt that was carried over from the Father, and they will still be condemned. But they will be crushed by God the Son, rather than God the Father.
NB3K 1 year ago