And you really think WE haven't decreased our numbers since the cold war ended? Hmm?
"Those weapons are live weapons used for training the future weapon system"
*TRAINING*
Meaning, they aren't on active duty with live fire.
We aren't occupying Germany? BWAHAHAHAA now your just flat out lying. You call almost 50,000 soldiers not occupying? What, you think we're training 50,000 soldiers there? LOLOL
And even after a few years we will still have a whole regiment in vilseck, germany.
And also, it doesn't matter if some of our soldiers are about to leave, it's the fact that for dozens of years germany has been occupied by America with tens of thousands of soldiers.
They aren't occupying Germany, obviously the German government supports their presence and most of the German population simply doesn't care at all if they're here or not.
I'd hate to be the guy left uninformed when they dive or surface rapidly. + or - 30 degrees is enough to send my ass falling from the forwardmost bulkhead to the engine room in the rear. That's worse than pulling a homer off the edge of a cliff. >.<
First of all. Switzerland IS the wealthyest country. Thats a fact.
Also the country with that has the highest capital personal income is Luxemburg.
Then the depts. America has over 100% depts. Why do i know this?? Because they had to increase their dept line last summer. The dept line was at 14. something trillion dollar = 100% of GDP.
Then Germany does not have depts over 140% are you crazy?? The dont even have half of it.
Next the rocket. The first rocket/missile had been launchend in
I enjoy the dictionaries on the wolf also hind re pychology modem John Dryden Poetry The Wolf and the Hind Panther and the Hind interesting re India and also the seawolf. Just a shot in the dark but Mrs. Clinton seem to play the part of the hind quite well considering all that's happening Muslim nations. Libya China Iran through Suez ect. The Wolf Panther Hind symbolism John Drydens poetic works.
i look at these comments and can not believe what several people think
after the second world war the americans forbade us to use nuclear power in military affairs they even forced us to limit our military for defense and now the germans are the bad guys because they holding back
and all the dept shit
of course we have our opinion of the usa but we dont dictate it in contrast to you
the united states still think they are the world police
@TheKnaeckebrot That's because Japan is geographically the worst place for a stable nuclear reactor, and Tchernobyl had a bunch of idiotic operators. The Navy has been running on nuclear power for about sixty years.
@TheKnaeckebrot If you understand how fusion works, it will never be anything but a laboratory plaything. No way will it be economically viable, let alone be developed to where we can get megawatts of continuous usable power. We have 4th gen pebble bed nuke plants that are light years better than worn out ancient nuke plants that draw all the bad press. Capitalism, not fission power, is what failed. There was no incentive to replace either Fuku or Chernobyl until total failure had taken place.
@InfiniteMushroom LOL, I dont understand how fusion works? I'm studying chemical engeneering, and one of my friends already worked at the Wendelstein X-7 ... and the pebble bed nuke plants arent that good, e.g. the accident at Jülich 1978
But i agree with you that capitalism has failed :D
@TheKnaeckebrot What does engineering school teach but how to mangle and molest math equations all day? You'll graduate with math equations spilling out of your head but no real understanding of how things work
Regarding fusion, imagine trying to force two N or S magnetic poles together by hand. It's hard. Now try forcing two protons together entirely by kinetic action. The repulsion is vastly stronger and you're trying to get zillions of protons past that to the attractive force i.e. fusion.
Silence isn't everything. The U.S. sent noisy boats into white knuckle situations. USS Halibut SSN-587 had unique capabilities, which made it the ultimate spook boat for a long time, and it was noisy.
Actually our virginia class sub was specifically designed just for that you moron. It also has a special door in it that can disperse navy seals-all while being completely submerged-
@andrewm153351 Germany's share of the debt was imposed upon them by adoption of the Euro. Had Germany been left to itself, it's debt would be small or nonexistent. Euro-based debt is caused by financial derivatives as well.
As for U.S. debt, we are able to offshore our debt burdens to captive nations who are forced to keep large amounts of U.S. fiat dollars in their central banks. We borrow that money back so it doesn't count in the monetary supply and place our victim in hock for security.
Actually the majority of U.S. debt is held by U.S. citizens, not foreign investors.
And make whatever excuses you want, germany, along with most european countries, has more PERCENT of debt than the USA. This is something that pisses me off because everywhere you go in europe, all they talk about is U.S. debt, yet they never tell their people that they themselves have more PERCENT of debt. That's why everytime i reveal this statistic to europoors, they are always ASTOUNDED.
@andrewm153351 The debt architecture is extremely complex and Byzantine which argues for a more complete story that simple debt percentage numbers. I have no doubt that 99% and 142% are nominally correct but, as I said, there's more to the story.
Don't forget that corporations are legally "persons" and therefore, "citizens." In the U.S., Wall Street is the main engine of credit creation, the Fed creates the fiat currency to represent it, and the U.S. gov't guarantees it at the point of a gun.
Sorry but you can't compare the roman or british empire to the American empire.
Both of them didn't have a currency that controls the world's banks. Both of them didn't have the largest amount of stored gold. Both of them didn't have military bases in over 100 countries.
By the way the military bases in more than 100 countries blah is also ridiculous, most of those "military bases" consist out of not much more than a mail box...
Germany has more soldiers in the USA, than the USA has in all but a dozen countries.
"Germany has more soldiers in the USA, than the USA has in all but a dozen countries"
What are you even talking about? What does that even MEAN? You should work up on your English, cause that doesn't make any sense. Germany doesn't have ANY soldiers in America, yet America has over 50,000 US soldiers stationed in germany.
And it doesn't matter if any of the military facilities are small, their still military facilities.
Im sure that's what your british textbooks would want you to believe. Over half of the countries in teh british empire were AFRICAN. The british empire didn't have a currency(like the u.s. dollar) that controls 61% of the world's banks. The british empire didn't have military bases in over 100 countries like the U.S. does. The british empire's navy didn't have as much tonnage of ships than the next 13 largest navies COMBINED like the u.s. navy does.
Actually, during the height of the british empire, the uk had barely $224 billion in GDP, and that's AFTER it's converted to today's dollars.
Compare that to over $500 billion that the U.S. had.
And again, you haven't addressed the fact that the BE didn't have NEARLY the size of navy that the U.S. does, and the navy was the central part of the uk military.
@andrewm153351 actually we had the same sized navy, richest now yes but in barely 10 years PRC will have a larger and more powerful economy and millitary, why dont deficits matter with US dollars?-real question
Spain was known for having a larger naval fleet than the british empire. Are you trying to say that britain had as much tonnage of ships than the 13 largest navies combined??? BULLSHIT.
The PRC will not be richer than us in 10 years. We're still almost 3x richer than them. People also thought Japan was going to surpass us in the 80s
Deficits don't matter because they're held in U.S. dollars. Meaning we can inflate the dollar, which will cause our debt to go down
And did you ACTUALLY say in a past comment that all of our foreign bases are ex british? LOL not even CLOSE. Less than 10 of them are ex british and we have over 139 total.
@JazzJaRa America has millions of Plastic Patriots and very few nationalists. Most have no idea what nationalism is. Our elites have seen to it that we never know the benefits true nationalism would bring.
A little known dirty secret is that the U.S. Navy had its ass handed to them on many war games. Modern foreign submarines are as good as what we have, save for outright duration. Even Australia's old Collins-class boats successfully engaged the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk's battle group and got away
@andrewm153351 The USS Halibut SSN-587 was the first spook boat that could disperse men and remote controlled robot subs while submerged. It was originally a 1950's Regulus cruise missile boat and the CIA saved it from being scrapped because of its huge watertight hangar up front. Later on, it had a fake DSRV welded to the stern which was a decompression chamber for underwater release and return of divers and frogmen.
@andrewm153351 Rich ?! HAHAHA! By " richest " you mean the most bankrupt and indebted... Where have you been the last 2-3 years? You have payments that will leave you in dept for about 5 mil years , you fool. You don´t know shit. CBS 60 minutes is a place for you to start. And then another 100 american documentaries about your " strong economy"..Some people in your country realize the truth and expose it. That hurts your idea of America , and is therefore bullshit , right ? POOR
Too stupid to talk about? That's cause you don't have an argument.
And no, the U.S. is still the richest by far. We're almost 3x richer than 2nd place, china. We also have the highest average income. Deficits do NOT matter when they're in U.S. dollars. You have a lot to learn about economics my friend.
So you refer to the mainstream media for proof? LOL they're KNOWN for twisting the truth, you haven't proved ANYTHING.
@andrewm153351 Like I said , nothing can burst your little american bubble. I´m not arguing with you. You will probably someday stop being naive and arrogant , and realize that we live in a world where every country is just as important as the next. If the rest of the world turned it´s back to the U.S , you would be history in a very short while. And yeah , you would not need your weapons anymore - and there goes the only thing america knows. Regards
@andrewm153351 Every country is as important. It´s just that U.S has a big mouth to cover their small penis , figuratively speaking. You have a need to prove yourself useful , even though you only work against yourselves. " Lol it's funny how you compare the U.S. to the rest of the world combined as if we're equal. Thank you. ;)" It´s cuz it is like that : U.S - and the rest of the world. Your welcome ;)
Than also the British Empire was far more powerfull than the USA. It lasted longer while the US couldnt even make a century. Your time started with the end of world war 2 and it ended with the financial crisis. Even your technology is mostly german like the rockets and missiles, the tanks, the telephone ore the computer. Of course i can understand that you are proud of being American but that doesnt make you to the best of the world. You may have build the first sub in the ...
Sorry but i have to disturb you. The US is NOT the richest country in the world. In fact it is Swiss. USA is "just" second. China is on the 8th place. Germany on the 5th. Also the depts of the USA is now past the 100% line. The average US citicen does not live better than the people in Europe (if you look at the west-to-central side)
And actually the US has a higher standard of living than nearly all countries in europe.
Lol no, the british empire was NOT stronger. It didn't have a currency that controls the world. It didn't have a navy that had as much tonnage of ships as the next 13 largest navies combined. It didn't have military bases in over 130 countries.
And saying that the American empire is falling is false. Lol EVERY country had a financial crisis. that's why it's called a global recession.
Germany in 16th century. The first real missiles were the V1 and the V2 constructed by Werner von Braun during WW2. The V2 was also capable of leaving earths gravity.
The first telephone was invented and constructed by Philipp Reis. A German who called his invention "Telefon".
The first fully functional computer was the Z3 by Konrad Zuse during 1941. His invention was the third computer ever builded. The first one was of course the Z1
WOW. once again there are so many lies in your comment.
I will be sending you the url that shows Germany having 142% of debt and America having the highest per capita income.
What YOU'RE talking about is per capita GDP which is only the total money that a country has, divided by it's population. It hardly reflects the actual income of a country.
The computer by Konrad is still the basic of every computer that is used in the world. Even yours is based on it.
I wont discuss any further with you because it seems like you know nouthing about history and technology. Even your wikipedia link does not reflect the truth.
Have fun in your little American World that is at the edge of falling.
once again you are lying. The computer that konrad made was basically a calculator, it isn't a personal computer that you use today. The PC that you use today was PATENTED by an American.
Lol all you can do is say my wikipedia article doesn't reflect the truth? You have no argument? AHAHAHAHA.
It seems like your shocked that my article proves you wrong.
hahaha Germany is in more % of debt than the USA!!! HAHAHAHAHA
First of all Germany has much smaller depts than the US. It has the fourth largest economy and is the secound biggest export nation in the world. FACT!!! Your article showes the depts during 2004 so it is out dated. The German gouvernment know has 2.1 trillion euro depts which is 70% of the GDP.
If you havent noticed every computer is a calculater and nothing else. Also the Z3 could run different programs. Not just simple calculation.
@andrewm153351 Because Germany is tied to the Euro, it also has to adopt the EU's debts. The Euro gives Germany a cheap currency, which makes its products attractively priced for export.
If Germany were able to separate and be sovereign again, it would have a positive net worth and not be in debt. It would also have a Deutsch Mark that would be better than gold. A sovereign DM would have enormous buying power but, German exports would be prohibitively expensive to foreign buyers
@andrewm153351 Wow, these numbers of public German debt are completely bogus. At the moment the German public debt is a around 80% of the gross domestic product. The US public debt has passed the 100% of GDP
You want to talk about external debt? Why not include the external assets too?
Germany's external assets exceed its external liabilities by more than one trillion $, it's a net creditor, whereas the USA has less external assets than external debt, it's a net debitor.
@andrewm153351 You are probably talking about Konrad Zuse. The 3 was not a basic calculator. Look up wikipedia: Konrad Zuse (German pronunciation: [ˈkɔnʁat ˈtsuːzə]; 1910–1995) was a German civil engineer and computer pioneer. His greatest achievement was the world's first functional program-controlled Turing-complete computer, the Z3, which became operational in May 1941.
Wow. Get ready to be owned. First off, public debt isn't the same as external debt. I was talking about external debt. Google "list of countries by external debt" and get back to me.
Public debt means nothing to the US because it's measured in US dollars, which we control. The US dollar is the world currency reserve, so our debt means nothing.
Also, the Z3 isn't a personal computer (pc). The computer you use today was designed and invented by an American. The software is too probably
Do you even know what public debt is? It has nothing to do with the public, it has to do with the government. Public and government debt are the same thing, but are NOT the same thing as external debt.
And i already gave you reasons as to why public/government debt doesn't matter for the US.
And you never addressed the fact that you got the debts mixed up. Did you ever google "list of countries by external debt"? LOL you must have cause you didn't even bring it up.
@andrewm153351 I didn't get any debts mixed up. Germany is not in debt by 142% of its GDP, the figure is around 80%. If you don't think public debt is a problem for the US, then you are gravely mistaken and I must question your sanity.
@andrewm153351 I didn't get any debts mixed up. Germany is not in debt by 142% of its GDP, the figure is around 80%. If you don't think public debt is a problem for the US, then you are gravely mistaken and I must question your sanity.
@andrewm153351 I didn't get any debts mixed up. Germany is not in debt by 142% of its GDP, the figure is around 80%. If you don't think public debt is a problem for the US, then you are gravely mistaken and I must question your sanity.
You want to talk about external debt? Why not include the external assets too?
Germany's external assets exceed its external liabilities by more than one trillion $, it's a net creditor, whereas the USA has less external assets than external debt, it's a net debitor.
Yes it's doing so horrible that Germany has a lower unemployment rate, is still rated AAA by all rating agencies, that the exports surpassed 1 trillion € for the first time ever and that the German economy grew by three percent last year, horrible indeed.
External debt as such doesn't matter, it's the net international investment position which is relevant.
hahaha AAA? Really? You do realize that downgrading was purely a PUBLICITY stunt right? Our interest rates didn't go up 0.1% so obviously it didn't matter.
Actually the german economy only grew but not NEARLY as much as the US gdp. And look at CURRENT rates. CURRENTLY germany's economy is DECREASING. Ours is currently INCREASING.
Unemployment isn't something to brag about being that the average german worker makes $14,000 less than the average American.
The German GDP grew by 3.0% last year (and 3.7% in 2010, source: Statistisches Bundesamt Deutschland), the USA's GDP grew by 1.7% in 2011 (and 3.0% in 2010, source: Bureau of Economic Analysis), thus in 2011 as well as in 2010 the USA's GDP grew less than Germany's GDP.
External debt isn't "bad" at all.
Public debt says nothing about who borrowed you the money, the billions China borrowed you are also part of your public debt.
First of all, i looked at the bureau of economic analysis, and NOWHERE does it say the US gdp grew by only 1.7% in 2011. It says we grew by 1.8% in just ONE QUARTER (1/4th of a year)
I went to the german site and it measures GDP growth with ADJUSTED RATES, meaning it counts inflation. The US doesn't count inflation in it's numbers. Also, you still haven't addressed the fact that even german numbers show that most RECENTLY germany's GDP is contracting, while ours is growing
"debt held by the "public", is money you owe China"
Please don't tell me you ACTUALLY think this is true? Are you serious? you REALLY think debt HELD BY THE PUBLIC is debt owed to china? You do realize there's a difference between debt HELD by the public, and public debt right? Debt HELD by the public is debt the government owes the public.
Even if we are 15.4 trillion in debt, that still means the US owns almost 2/3rds of the debt, not foreign countries like you said
"The Debt Held by the Public is all federal debt held by individuals, corporations, state or local governments, foreign governments, and other entities outside the United States Government less Federal Financing Bank securities. Types of securities held by the public include, but are not limited to, Treasury Bills, Notes, Bonds, TIPS, United States Savings Bonds, and State and Local Government Series securities. "
I said half of the debt held by the public, that excludes intragovernmental debt.
Of the total public debt round about one third is held by foreigners, of the public debt held by the public half is held by foreigners, can't be that difficulty to grasp.
haha so now you're trying to say that you only meant public debt? hahaha what a joke. The whole point of this discussion was to point out that not even HALF of us debt is held by foreign entities.
And you STILL haven't addressed the fact that germany's gdp is shrinking, and ours is expanding. AND that according to tradingeconomics, we rape you in gdp growth every year.
And no, external debt matters more for germany, because most of America's debt is internally held, unlike germany. THis means we control our debt much more easily.
Even if there were 1,250 german soldiers in America, that's still wouldn't even be 1/43 how many US soldiers are stationed in germany.
I bet you anything it's not STATIONED german soldiers, only german soldiers TRAINING.
But either way, i would love for you to direct me to a source that confirms your number.
I'm still reeling with laughter over you thinking germany's GDP grew faster than ours...lol how you could be so incredibly stupid i will never know. Maybe you got your information from wikipedia...lol our GDP grew by more than 1.7% in a QUARTER, let alone a whole year.
And i looked into your 1,250 germans in America number.
Those are TRAINEES, meaning they are NOT on active duty, meaning they aren't STATIONED here.
Those units are permanently stationed in the USA under the command of the Deutsche Luftwaffenkommando USA/Kanada and train future German pilots and SAM operators.
Germany has for example 20-30 Panavia Tornado fighter-bombers stationed in the USA for that purpose, for obvious reasons those fighter-bombers are armed with weapons lol.
Lol you just said yourself that those german troops are here for TRAINING, not combat services. Our 50,000+ soldiers stationed in germany on the other hand are NOT for training, and are for combat services. Having forein soldiers on your land to train isn't even on the same level as having tens of thousands of soldiers OCCUPYING your land
And no, i highly doubt those tornado jets have live weapons. Either way, please send me the link that shows there are 20-30 tornados in the US.
"The TTC was redesignated the German Air Force Flying Training Center July 1, 1999 in conjunction with their growing mission. In addition, German Air Force pilots and WSOs are now learning to fly the TORNADO at Holloman AFB and instructor aircrews are being trained as well. As of July 2007 there are 600 German military personnel and 21 Tornado aircraft assigned to Holloman AFB, NM. These numbers may increase up to 900 personnel and 42 A/C, depending on the actual training needs. "
First off, you never sent me the url/quote showing ACTIVE munitions on those tornados, which is what i asked for. Obviously trainers don't have active munitions.
And i like how you just left the gdp argument alone. Looks like somebody knows a lost cause when they see one...Again, google "german gdp growth rate trading economics" to see for yourself, not some german government website.
Those weapons are live weapons used for training the future weapon system officers of the Panavia Tornados, they make "boom" when you drop em lol.
The Tornado crews practise ground attacks with those live bombs.
The US military isn't occupying Germany, apart from that a large part of the few combat troops currently stationed in Germany is going to leave during the next years.
We both know that i meant active duty combat role, not just training. It's far different to have some soldiers training in another country, than to have whole regiments on combat role readiness in another country
Obviously 50,000 includes a lot of troops who hardly know how to fire a gun lol, the number of real combat troops is way less.
Ramstein Air Force Base for example is a huge air base with thousands of soldiers working there, but there's not a single fighter jet stationed there, it's first and foremost a logistic hub.
It's for obvious reasons not an occupation, the US military neither controls Germany nor is it a hostile army, thus obviously it can't be occupying Germany.
That the German GDP grew faster in 2010/2011 can be looked up at the OECD, CIA and co., not hard to find out.
Even the CIA clearly states that the German GDP grew faster both in 2010 and 2011.
lol i have already proven your hilarious numbers wrong. Google "us gdp growth rate trading economics". That's from an actual financial site, not a government one.
We grew more than 1.5% in just ONE QUARTER (1/4th of a year". That's why your numbers are so hilarious.
You don't have to be a hostile army or completely controlling the country to occupy it.
And i like how you didn't even address the fact that we're the richest, strongest country AND we were voted the most admired.
Furthermore of those round about 54,000 soldiers assigned to units in Germany, 22,000 aren't in Germany, but in Afghanistan and co., thus only 32,000 remain in Germany.
Over all we're talking about a mere 80,000 US soldiers in entire Europe compared to roughly 1.6 million European soldiers.
That is for example the url of a notification about the German Luftwaffe buying base services (incl. ammunition) for 300 million $ for its fighter-bombers stationed in the USA.
Amongst the ammunitions purchased are 720 bombs MK82 and 135 bombs MK84.
Of course you can also watch watch?v=OQfQgc6vEzw on youtube.
Can't be that hard to find just google Holloman Air Force Base, that's where the GAF Flying Training Center is located.
You can even search youtube to see German fighter-bombers flying around in the USA, e.g. "Tornados über Idaho", which shows an exercise of Luftwaffe Tornados together with the US Air Force and Canadian Air Force at the Mountainhome Air Force Base in Idaho.
The bombs are blue training bombs (=only concrete), whereas the HARM is a live missile.
Our soldiers in Germany have WEAPONS and are on DUTY. The few German soldiers that are in America are here for TRAINING. Our American soldiers in Germany are on active offensive duty. Meaning we have a TRUE military presence in Germany.
For instance, we have OUR tanks, aircraft etc on active duty in Germany.
Not the same can be said about German soldiers in America.
Hahaha i laughing my ass off over you thinking Germany has active armed soldiers in America. LOLOL
You want to talk about external debt? Why not include the external assets too?
Germany's external assets exceed its external liabilities by more than one trillion $, it's a net creditor, whereas the USA has less external assets than external debt, it's a net debitor.
You want to talk about external debt? Why not include the external assets too?
Germany's external assets exceed its external liabilities by more than one trillion $, it's a net creditor, whereas the USA has less external assets than external debt, it's a net debitor.
So now to the British Empire. The British Empire was the largest and most powerfull empire ever seen on this planet. At it most powerful years it encompassed 1/3 of Earths surface. Even now theres still the commonwealth which is the remain of the British Empire. It is an organisation that has way more influence on the world than America.
So back to the subs. Your nuclear subs CANNOT stay under water for more than a few months and cannot dive over 250 meters. Also...
Are you insane? Our subs can stay underwater WELL OVER a couple of months. Do you know what a nuclear reactor is? LOL
And i know about the time that you're talking about when a german sub got close to an American sub. The german sub wasn't able to get into an offensive position, if it did, it would have been obliterated.
Remember, America's navy has more tonnage of ships than the next 13 largest navies COMBINED.
We also have the military budget of half the world COMBINED.
The sub had a perfect offensive angle and targeted the carrier with three torpedos.
Of course i know what a nuclear reactor is. And thats the reason why i know that your subs cant stay submerged for years. After all the crew needs food, water and medical supplies so it is impossible for a submarien to stay under water for years.
Also do you know who constructed the rocket which transported the Armstrong and Co? It was the same guy who builde the V2!!
Now your flat out lying. Please send me the source that says the german sub targeted the carrier with three torpedos. I know this isn't true, because ive read up on it. So again, please send the source.
The virginia class sub can carry 1.5 years worth of food.
Again, as i said before, the germans who were the ones that started those programs, but it was the USA that was able to perfect it. Just like they couldn't make a nuclear bomb, they only had the IDEA, but it was US that did it.
American subs can be easily detected while German subs are almost impossible to detect. There was a maneuvre with an American carrier and a German submarin. The sub easily broke through the submarine shild of the carriers guarding ships. It targeted the carrier and shot a photo of it. After that it emerged right next to it. Until then noone knew it was there!!
That's true. On the other hand, an old definition of a boat is any vessal that would fit on a ship. Many of the ICBM missile subs are so huge I don't know if one would fit on a ship.
@TheARMAProductions Yes the sonar in the Virginia class is the same as astute but the new block 3 Virginia will have LAB sonar with is cheaper, longer life span, more advanced and has a better listing ability.
@TheARMAProductions that is kinda true but naval graphs show the 212 being quieter but put the sea wolf and Virginia class together witch is wrong,the Virginia class is quieter then sea wolf so the Virginia should be a tiny bit more quite then the 212.
@TheARMAProductions I think Britain wanted a sub, which could be a platform for launching ballistic missiles and could support a carrier fleet for an extended amount of time. For this mission, the nuclear powered astute is probably better equipped because of its higher speed and operating range. Germany doesn't have an aircraft carrier. These 212s were strictly designed as hunters and for gathering intelligence in littoral water. The smaller and quieter 212 is better in this task.
@TheARMAProductions Frankly, I don't know. This information is usually classified. The sensors of the 212 were designed by STN Atlas, which was bought by BAE systems in 2003. In 2005 Atlas was sold to ThyssenKrupp and EADS. Therefore, I would be surprised if the sonars were all too different.
"Holloman's Loadcrew Competition with the GAF"
watch?v=Gm5AONerPww
Well not really a competition for the GAF, because only the load crews of the F-22 and MQ-9 were rated.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
Please don't even try to compare the German Air Force to the US air force. The US air force is the most formidable force in the world.
Our navy alone has 4x more aircraft than the entire german military. And that's just our NAVY!.
Also, germany is ranked #13 in terms of strongest military, the US is ranked #1.
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
We don't need a powerful military, if you want to waste money you don't have, on a oversized military you don't need, it's your problem lol.
Cold War is over, we reduced our heavy weapons and personnel.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
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And you really think WE haven't decreased our numbers since the cold war ended? Hmm?
"Those weapons are live weapons used for training the future weapon system"
*TRAINING*
Meaning, they aren't on active duty with live fire.
We aren't occupying Germany? BWAHAHAHAA now your just flat out lying. You call almost 50,000 soldiers not occupying? What, you think we're training 50,000 soldiers there? LOLOL
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
And even after a few years we will still have a whole regiment in vilseck, germany.
And also, it doesn't matter if some of our soldiers are about to leave, it's the fact that for dozens of years germany has been occupied by America with tens of thousands of soldiers.
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
They aren't occupying Germany, obviously the German government supports their presence and most of the German population simply doesn't care at all if they're here or not.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
umm guy says a ship??no!!a submarine will and always should be referred to as a boat!!not a ship!
adzwick 3 weeks ago
I'd hate to be the guy left uninformed when they dive or surface rapidly. + or - 30 degrees is enough to send my ass falling from the forwardmost bulkhead to the engine room in the rear. That's worse than pulling a homer off the edge of a cliff. >.<
peepeevagi 3 weeks ago
i am a german and let me say .... a good military technic is ok but fuck to hitler !!!!!!!!!
OlliRoger 2 months ago
one thing i got to say: i went to the usa and somebody asked me " Is Hitler still alive?" ... no comment!
NOTHING against american but .... dude realy?! i mean what do u learn in history? u r still thinkin germans r nazis or what?
BTW the usa got much more "nazis" than germany ....
and now stfu with that WW2 stuff and focus on 9/11
RIP
Biggi1994 3 months ago
First of all. Switzerland IS the wealthyest country. Thats a fact.
Also the country with that has the highest capital personal income is Luxemburg.
Then the depts. America has over 100% depts. Why do i know this?? Because they had to increase their dept line last summer. The dept line was at 14. something trillion dollar = 100% of GDP.
Then Germany does not have depts over 140% are you crazy?? The dont even have half of it.
Next the rocket. The first rocket/missile had been launchend in
FelixHD1 3 months ago
That German chick at 1:07 is HOOOOOTTTT!!!!! I would go down town with her any day! German chicks are hot and deadly!
crazynaska 3 months ago
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german engineer the best in the world
KapitaenPommes 3 months ago
I enjoy the dictionaries on the wolf also hind re pychology modem John Dryden Poetry The Wolf and the Hind Panther and the Hind interesting re India and also the seawolf. Just a shot in the dark but Mrs. Clinton seem to play the part of the hind quite well considering all that's happening Muslim nations. Libya China Iran through Suez ect. The Wolf Panther Hind symbolism John Drydens poetic works.
divisorplot 4 months ago
oh my god
i look at these comments and can not believe what several people think
after the second world war the americans forbade us to use nuclear power in military affairs they even forced us to limit our military for defense and now the germans are the bad guys because they holding back
and all the dept shit
of course we have our opinion of the usa but we dont dictate it in contrast to you
the united states still think they are the world police
and that pisses me off
marflow 4 months ago
I wonder how many of these ships the Germans will hand over to the Israelis
wboquist 4 months ago
@wboquist Answer none. Israel has gotten 2 of the u214 class for free which is designed for the export (for other nations)
FrancisJoa 4 months ago
Two words for you Germany: Seawolf Class. Stays under for 9 months at a time.
Webtownking 4 months ago
@Webtownking bad argument. seawolf class is nuclear powered.
TheKnaeckebrot 4 months ago
@TheKnaeckebrot Nuclear power is the future my friend.
Webtownking 4 months ago
@Webtownking WTF No! Fusion Power is the Future, not nuclear. Look at Fukushima or Tchernobyl ...
TheKnaeckebrot 4 months ago
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@TheKnaeckebrot That's because Japan is geographically the worst place for a stable nuclear reactor, and Tchernobyl had a bunch of idiotic operators. The Navy has been running on nuclear power for about sixty years.
Webtownking 4 months ago
@TheKnaeckebrot If you understand how fusion works, it will never be anything but a laboratory plaything. No way will it be economically viable, let alone be developed to where we can get megawatts of continuous usable power. We have 4th gen pebble bed nuke plants that are light years better than worn out ancient nuke plants that draw all the bad press. Capitalism, not fission power, is what failed. There was no incentive to replace either Fuku or Chernobyl until total failure had taken place.
InfiniteMushroom 4 months ago
@InfiniteMushroom LOL, I dont understand how fusion works? I'm studying chemical engeneering, and one of my friends already worked at the Wendelstein X-7 ... and the pebble bed nuke plants arent that good, e.g. the accident at Jülich 1978
But i agree with you that capitalism has failed :D
TheKnaeckebrot 3 months ago
@TheKnaeckebrot What does engineering school teach but how to mangle and molest math equations all day? You'll graduate with math equations spilling out of your head but no real understanding of how things work
Regarding fusion, imagine trying to force two N or S magnetic poles together by hand. It's hard. Now try forcing two protons together entirely by kinetic action. The repulsion is vastly stronger and you're trying to get zillions of protons past that to the attractive force i.e. fusion.
InfiniteMushroom 3 months ago
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Webtownking 4 months ago
Silence isn't everything. The U.S. sent noisy boats into white knuckle situations. USS Halibut SSN-587 had unique capabilities, which made it the ultimate spook boat for a long time, and it was noisy.
InfiniteMushroom 4 months ago
@andrewm153351 but can the nuke boat close right into coastlines. NO!
alanbstard4 5 months ago
@alanbstard4
Actually our virginia class sub was specifically designed just for that you moron. It also has a special door in it that can disperse navy seals-all while being completely submerged-
andrewm153351 5 months ago
@andrewm153351 Who are you calling a Moron, fuckface?. I doubt if you could get as close to the coast as this thing can
All subs have facility to " disperse " operatives. Have done since the 60s in many navies. That ain't new and this vid doesn't claim it is
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andrewm153351 5 months ago
@andrewm153351 Not compared to this sub they can't. Close to the coastline is a relative thing
alanbstard4 5 months ago
@alanbstard4
???
Why does it matter if this sub can go a few more feet to the coastline if OUR sub can disperse seals WHILE UNDERWATER.
So a few feet means NOTHING.
andrewm153351 5 months ago
@andrewm153351 well, it was a feature they pointed out, and I presume for a reason
alanbstard4 5 months ago
@andrewm153351
The 212A can also depose "Kampfschwimmer" while underwater.
JazzJaRa 4 months ago
@JazzJaRa
Source please
andrewm153351 4 months ago
@andrewm153351
In the video is a source for it ^^
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andrewm153351 4 months ago
Didn't see anything about dispersing them DEEP underwater.
Oh and by the way the german navy only has 4 of these subs.
Compare that to 30 virginia class subs that we are going to have(which is the most advanced sub in the world)
At the end of the day, the electronics on the virginia can still pick up the 212 because it uses all digital interfaces, not just sonar.
Oh and we also have 18 ohio class subs and 43 los angeles subs.
There's no other navy in the world like the u.s. navy
andrewm153351 4 months ago
@andrewm153351
Ah i see a proud nationalist who thinks USA has from all the best. They have the highest depts, thats true.
JazzJaRa 4 months ago
@JazzJaRa
Actually when you count PERCENT of debt, the u.s. doesn't have that much at all.
For instance, germany is 142% in debt, and the U.S. is only 99% in debt....
LOL i bet you didn't hear THAT on your local news station....
andrewm153351 4 months ago
@andrewm153351 Germany's share of the debt was imposed upon them by adoption of the Euro. Had Germany been left to itself, it's debt would be small or nonexistent. Euro-based debt is caused by financial derivatives as well.
As for U.S. debt, we are able to offshore our debt burdens to captive nations who are forced to keep large amounts of U.S. fiat dollars in their central banks. We borrow that money back so it doesn't count in the monetary supply and place our victim in hock for security.
InfiniteMushroom 4 months ago
@InfiniteMushroom
Actually the majority of U.S. debt is held by U.S. citizens, not foreign investors.
And make whatever excuses you want, germany, along with most european countries, has more PERCENT of debt than the USA. This is something that pisses me off because everywhere you go in europe, all they talk about is U.S. debt, yet they never tell their people that they themselves have more PERCENT of debt. That's why everytime i reveal this statistic to europoors, they are always ASTOUNDED.
andrewm153351 4 months ago
@andrewm153351 The debt architecture is extremely complex and Byzantine which argues for a more complete story that simple debt percentage numbers. I have no doubt that 99% and 142% are nominally correct but, as I said, there's more to the story.
Don't forget that corporations are legally "persons" and therefore, "citizens." In the U.S., Wall Street is the main engine of credit creation, the Fed creates the fiat currency to represent it, and the U.S. gov't guarantees it at the point of a gun.
InfiniteMushroom 4 months ago
@InfiniteMushroom
Whether it be corporations or citizens, it's still better than foreign investors.
At the end of the day the U.S. is the richest, strongest, most powerful, most influential power the world has ever seen.
andrewm153351 4 months ago
@andrewm153351 China is taking over
cogreza1 4 months ago
@cogreza1
Actually no they aren't. Their navy and airforce is still at LEAST 25 years behind the U.S.
And their economy is still less than HALF of what the U.S. economy is, AND their growth is already slowing.
andrewm153351 4 months ago
@andrewm153351
Times they are a changing....Once there was the roman empire, the british empire......
BernhardRottweiler 4 months ago
@BernhardRottweiler
Sorry but you can't compare the roman or british empire to the American empire.
Both of them didn't have a currency that controls the world's banks. Both of them didn't have the largest amount of stored gold. Both of them didn't have military bases in over 100 countries.
andrewm153351 4 months ago
@andrewm153351
By the way the military bases in more than 100 countries blah is also ridiculous, most of those "military bases" consist out of not much more than a mail box...
Germany has more soldiers in the USA, than the USA has in all but a dozen countries.
HingerlAlois 3 days ago
@HingerlAlois
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"Germany has more soldiers in the USA, than the USA has in all but a dozen countries"
What are you even talking about? What does that even MEAN? You should work up on your English, cause that doesn't make any sense. Germany doesn't have ANY soldiers in America, yet America has over 50,000 US soldiers stationed in germany.
And it doesn't matter if any of the military facilities are small, their still military facilities.
andrewm153351 2 days ago
@andrewm153351
Germany has round about 1250 soldiers in North America (stationed at 84 different locations), the bulk of em in the USA.
There's hardly a dozen countries in which the USA has more than 1000 soldiers.
Sure, even golf courses and girl scout camps can be military facilities.
In most countries there's not even a dozen US soldiers.
HingerlAlois 2 days ago
@andrewm153351 actually the british empire was
milltiaryman001 3 months ago
@milltiaryman001
Im sure that's what your british textbooks would want you to believe. Over half of the countries in teh british empire were AFRICAN. The british empire didn't have a currency(like the u.s. dollar) that controls 61% of the world's banks. The british empire didn't have military bases in over 100 countries like the U.S. does. The british empire's navy didn't have as much tonnage of ships than the next 13 largest navies COMBINED like the u.s. navy does.
I can go on and on.
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@andrewm153351 1)You cant have an "empire" without land in other continents-which is where BE beats USA
2)£987.81 billion, consider ing how much money was worth back then we were ritcher than you
3) look it up all of youre overseas bases were ex-british
4)thats just to stupid to talk about
milltiaryman001 3 months ago
@milltiaryman001
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Actually, during the height of the british empire, the uk had barely $224 billion in GDP, and that's AFTER it's converted to today's dollars.
Compare that to over $500 billion that the U.S. had.
And again, you haven't addressed the fact that the BE didn't have NEARLY the size of navy that the U.S. does, and the navy was the central part of the uk military.
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@andrewm153351 actually we had the same sized navy, richest now yes but in barely 10 years PRC will have a larger and more powerful economy and millitary, why dont deficits matter with US dollars?-real question
milltiaryman001 3 months ago
@milltiaryman001
Spain was known for having a larger naval fleet than the british empire. Are you trying to say that britain had as much tonnage of ships than the 13 largest navies combined??? BULLSHIT.
The PRC will not be richer than us in 10 years. We're still almost 3x richer than them. People also thought Japan was going to surpass us in the 80s
Deficits don't matter because they're held in U.S. dollars. Meaning we can inflate the dollar, which will cause our debt to go down
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@milltiaryman001
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And did you ACTUALLY say in a past comment that all of our foreign bases are ex british? LOL not even CLOSE. Less than 10 of them are ex british and we have over 139 total.
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@JazzJaRa America has millions of Plastic Patriots and very few nationalists. Most have no idea what nationalism is. Our elites have seen to it that we never know the benefits true nationalism would bring.
A little known dirty secret is that the U.S. Navy had its ass handed to them on many war games. Modern foreign submarines are as good as what we have, save for outright duration. Even Australia's old Collins-class boats successfully engaged the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk's battle group and got away
InfiniteMushroom 4 months ago
@andrewm153351 The USS Halibut SSN-587 was the first spook boat that could disperse men and remote controlled robot subs while submerged. It was originally a 1950's Regulus cruise missile boat and the CIA saved it from being scrapped because of its huge watertight hangar up front. Later on, it had a fake DSRV welded to the stern which was a decompression chamber for underwater release and return of divers and frogmen.
InfiniteMushroom 4 months ago 3
@InfiniteMushroom
gotcha.
But we're still the strongest richest most powerful country
andrewm153351 4 months ago
@andrewm153351 Rich ?! HAHAHA! By " richest " you mean the most bankrupt and indebted... Where have you been the last 2-3 years? You have payments that will leave you in dept for about 5 mil years , you fool. You don´t know shit. CBS 60 minutes is a place for you to start. And then another 100 american documentaries about your " strong economy"..Some people in your country realize the truth and expose it. That hurts your idea of America , and is therefore bullshit , right ? POOR
JKWR423 3 months ago
@JKWR423
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Too stupid to talk about? That's cause you don't have an argument.
And no, the U.S. is still the richest by far. We're almost 3x richer than 2nd place, china. We also have the highest average income. Deficits do NOT matter when they're in U.S. dollars. You have a lot to learn about economics my friend.
So you refer to the mainstream media for proof? LOL they're KNOWN for twisting the truth, you haven't proved ANYTHING.
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@andrewm153351 Like I said , nothing can burst your little american bubble. I´m not arguing with you. You will probably someday stop being naive and arrogant , and realize that we live in a world where every country is just as important as the next. If the rest of the world turned it´s back to the U.S , you would be history in a very short while. And yeah , you would not need your weapons anymore - and there goes the only thing america knows. Regards
JKWR423 3 months ago
@JKWR423
"where every country is just as important as the next"
Come on....You can't POSSIBLY believe this. Go back to your drum circle and sing kumbaya if you really think this is true.
"If the rest of the world turned it's back on the U.S."
Lol it's funny how you compare the U.S. to the rest of the world combined as if we're equal. Thank you. ;)
andrewm153351 3 months ago
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@andrewm153351 Every country is as important. It´s just that U.S has a big mouth to cover their small penis , figuratively speaking. You have a need to prove yourself useful , even though you only work against yourselves. " Lol it's funny how you compare the U.S. to the rest of the world combined as if we're equal. Thank you. ;)" It´s cuz it is like that : U.S - and the rest of the world. Your welcome ;)
JKWR423 3 months ago
@andrewm153351
Than also the British Empire was far more powerfull than the USA. It lasted longer while the US couldnt even make a century. Your time started with the end of world war 2 and it ended with the financial crisis. Even your technology is mostly german like the rockets and missiles, the tanks, the telephone ore the computer. Of course i can understand that you are proud of being American but that doesnt make you to the best of the world. You may have build the first sub in the ...
FelixHD1 3 months ago
@andrewm153351 world but the germans are far ahead in building some. They are in fact the best in building naval units
FelixHD1 3 months ago
@andrewm153351
Sorry but i have to disturb you. The US is NOT the richest country in the world. In fact it is Swiss. USA is "just" second. China is on the 8th place. Germany on the 5th. Also the depts of the USA is now past the 100% line. The average US citicen does not live better than the people in Europe (if you look at the west-to-central side)
FelixHD1 3 months ago
@FelixHD1
First of all, it's "disagree" not "disturb".
I think you're referring to GDP per capita, this isn't a true counting of a countrie's wealth.
Go and google "list of countries by per capita personal income". Click on the wikipedia link.
You will see that America is at the top of the list, higher than switzerland.
Debt in America is 99%. And this is nothing compared to Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Norway, etc etc who all have over 140% of debt.
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@FelixHD1
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And actually the US has a higher standard of living than nearly all countries in europe.
Lol no, the british empire was NOT stronger. It didn't have a currency that controls the world. It didn't have a navy that had as much tonnage of ships as the next 13 largest navies combined. It didn't have military bases in over 130 countries.
And saying that the American empire is falling is false. Lol EVERY country had a financial crisis. that's why it's called a global recession.
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@andrewm153351
Germany in 16th century. The first real missiles were the V1 and the V2 constructed by Werner von Braun during WW2. The V2 was also capable of leaving earths gravity.
The first telephone was invented and constructed by Philipp Reis. A German who called his invention "Telefon".
The first fully functional computer was the Z3 by Konrad Zuse during 1941. His invention was the third computer ever builded. The first one was of course the Z1
FelixHD1 3 months ago
@FelixHD1
WOW. once again there are so many lies in your comment.
I will be sending you the url that shows Germany having 142% of debt and America having the highest per capita income.
What YOU'RE talking about is per capita GDP which is only the total money that a country has, divided by it's population. It hardly reflects the actual income of a country.
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@andrewm153351 @andrewm153351 "All of those things you mentioned STARTED in germany, but were PERFECTED by America.
Was germany able to go to the moon with it's rocket? NOPE, that's cause it took American finances and brainpower to actually make it happen.
The computer you use today is not based on Konrad's invention.
The computer you use is patented by an American.
The same with the software, processor, etc etc."
lol....Operation Paperclip read and learn.... education gap
Biggi1994 3 months ago
@FelixHD1
All of those things you mentioned STARTED in germany, but were PERFECTED by America.
Was germany able to go to the moon with it's rocket? NOPE, that's cause it took American finances and brainpower to actually make it happen.
The computer you use today is not based on Konrad's invention.
The computer you use is patented by an American.
The same with the software, processor, etc etc.
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@andrewm153351
The computer by Konrad is still the basic of every computer that is used in the world. Even yours is based on it.
I wont discuss any further with you because it seems like you know nouthing about history and technology. Even your wikipedia link does not reflect the truth.
Have fun in your little American World that is at the edge of falling.
FelixHD1 3 months ago
@FelixHD1
once again you are lying. The computer that konrad made was basically a calculator, it isn't a personal computer that you use today. The PC that you use today was PATENTED by an American.
Lol all you can do is say my wikipedia article doesn't reflect the truth? You have no argument? AHAHAHAHA.
It seems like your shocked that my article proves you wrong.
hahaha Germany is in more % of debt than the USA!!! HAHAHAHAHA
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@andrewm153351
First of all Germany has much smaller depts than the US. It has the fourth largest economy and is the secound biggest export nation in the world. FACT!!! Your article showes the depts during 2004 so it is out dated. The German gouvernment know has 2.1 trillion euro depts which is 70% of the GDP.
If you havent noticed every computer is a calculater and nothing else. Also the Z3 could run different programs. Not just simple calculation.
FelixHD1 3 months ago 2
@FelixHD1
hahaha i already proved to you that germany does NOT have smaller debt than the US. What part of this do you not understand?
And no, my article is from 2010. WHY ARE YOU LYING???
It shows that Germany is $4.7 trillion in debt which is 142% of it's GDP,
America is $14.4 trillion in debt which is ONLY 99% of it's GDP.
This clearly shows America having less debt.
And no, my article is from 2010. WHY ARE YOU LYING???
Also, germany has more PUBLIC debt too.
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@andrewm153351 Because Germany is tied to the Euro, it also has to adopt the EU's debts. The Euro gives Germany a cheap currency, which makes its products attractively priced for export.
If Germany were able to separate and be sovereign again, it would have a positive net worth and not be in debt. It would also have a Deutsch Mark that would be better than gold. A sovereign DM would have enormous buying power but, German exports would be prohibitively expensive to foreign buyers
InfiniteMushroom 2 months ago
@andrewm153351 Wow, these numbers of public German debt are completely bogus. At the moment the German public debt is a around 80% of the gross domestic product. The US public debt has passed the 100% of GDP
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@andrewm153351
The newest data I found are (Debt. against GDP):
- Germany: 83 %
- USA: 100 %
Also I found that der german debts absolut were in 2010 1.76 trillion and the USA debts were 12,3 trillion
Would be interessintg to know where you got your data from.
tachelesreden 1 month ago
@tachelesreden
You're absolutely wrong.
You're using two separate types of debts for each country. You're using government debt for germany, and external debt for the US.
I will be sending you the source.
andrewm153351 1 month ago
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@andrewm153351
You want to talk about external debt? Why not include the external assets too?
Germany's external assets exceed its external liabilities by more than one trillion $, it's a net creditor, whereas the USA has less external assets than external debt, it's a net debitor.
HingerlAlois 3 days ago
@andrewm153351
"External assets rose by 25.8% to €6,342 billion, while external liabilities
expanded by 28.1% to €5,391 billion. This can be attributed, first, to the global
economic recovery, which led to increased cross-border investment, especially
in the corporate sector. Second, the first-time inclusion of financial derivatives
represented a one-off effect. On balance, Germany’s net international
investment position grew by €117 billion to €951 billion."
Bundesbank
HingerlAlois 3 days ago
@andrewm153351
"The U.S. net international investment position at yearend 2010 was
-$2,471.0 billion (preliminary), as the value of foreign investments in the
United States continued to exceed the value of U.S. investments abroad (table
1). At yearend 2009, the U.S. net international investment position was
-$2,396.4 billion (revised)."
Bureau of Economic Analysis
Thus net international investment position at the end of 2010:
Germany +951 billion €
USA - 2471 billion $
HingerlAlois 3 days ago
@andrewm153351 You are probably talking about Konrad Zuse. The 3 was not a basic calculator. Look up wikipedia: Konrad Zuse (German pronunciation: [ˈkɔnʁat ˈtsuːzə]; 1910–1995) was a German civil engineer and computer pioneer. His greatest achievement was the world's first functional program-controlled Turing-complete computer, the Z3, which became operational in May 1941.
bhigr 2 months ago in playlist U32
@bhigr
Wow. Get ready to be owned. First off, public debt isn't the same as external debt. I was talking about external debt. Google "list of countries by external debt" and get back to me.
Public debt means nothing to the US because it's measured in US dollars, which we control. The US dollar is the world currency reserve, so our debt means nothing.
Also, the Z3 isn't a personal computer (pc). The computer you use today was designed and invented by an American. The software is too probably
andrewm153351 2 months ago
@andrewm153351 Oh, so US public debt means nothing to the US? Hmm, well get back to me once you leave the insane asylum.
bhigr 2 months ago
@bhigr
Do you even know what public debt is? It has nothing to do with the public, it has to do with the government. Public and government debt are the same thing, but are NOT the same thing as external debt.
And i already gave you reasons as to why public/government debt doesn't matter for the US.
And you never addressed the fact that you got the debts mixed up. Did you ever google "list of countries by external debt"? LOL you must have cause you didn't even bring it up.
andrewm153351 2 months ago
@andrewm153351 I didn't get any debts mixed up. Germany is not in debt by 142% of its GDP, the figure is around 80%. If you don't think public debt is a problem for the US, then you are gravely mistaken and I must question your sanity.
bhigr 2 months ago
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@andrewm153351 I didn't get any debts mixed up. Germany is not in debt by 142% of its GDP, the figure is around 80%. If you don't think public debt is a problem for the US, then you are gravely mistaken and I must question your sanity.
bhigr 2 months ago
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@andrewm153351 I didn't get any debts mixed up. Germany is not in debt by 142% of its GDP, the figure is around 80%. If you don't think public debt is a problem for the US, then you are gravely mistaken and I must question your sanity.
bhigr 2 months ago
@andrewm153351
You want to talk about external debt? Why not include the external assets too?
Germany's external assets exceed its external liabilities by more than one trillion $, it's a net creditor, whereas the USA has less external assets than external debt, it's a net debitor.
HingerlAlois 3 days ago
@HingerlAlois
The US has FAR lower % of foreign debt than germany. OH, and we also have far more external assets.
And i can't believe you're ACTUALLY trying to defend the german economy, when the german economy is doing HORRIBLE.
Germany's gdp CONTRACTED -0.2%.
The US gdp EXPANDED.
Meaning, the US economy is GROWING, german economy is SHRINKING.
You're also forgetting the fact that US debt (even though we have less than germany) doesn't matter, because the world trading currency is the DOLLAR
andrewm153351 2 days ago
Yes it's doing so horrible that Germany has a lower unemployment rate, is still rated AAA by all rating agencies, that the exports surpassed 1 trillion € for the first time ever and that the German economy grew by three percent last year, horrible indeed.
External debt as such doesn't matter, it's the net international investment position which is relevant.
HingerlAlois 2 days ago
@HingerlAlois
hahaha AAA? Really? You do realize that downgrading was purely a PUBLICITY stunt right? Our interest rates didn't go up 0.1% so obviously it didn't matter.
Actually the german economy only grew but not NEARLY as much as the US gdp. And look at CURRENT rates. CURRENTLY germany's economy is DECREASING. Ours is currently INCREASING.
Unemployment isn't something to brag about being that the average german worker makes $14,000 less than the average American.
andrewm153351 2 days ago
@andrewm153351
Germany's economy grew last year by 3% the USA's economy by 1.7%.
You know 3% is more than 1.7%...
The downgrading was long overdue, the USA's public debt is skyrocketing.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
WOW. I can't believe you ACTUALLY think germany's GDP grew more than the US last year. I'm speechless.
I advise you to google "United States gdp growth rate-trading economics".
Then google "Germany gdp growth rate-trading economics.
As you will see, the US gdp growth rate DWARFS germany's gdp growth almost EVERY quarter.
Again, public debt isn't nearly as bad as external debt, being that public debt is money borrowed from our own country, not foreign entities.
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
The German GDP grew by 3.0% last year (and 3.7% in 2010, source: Statistisches Bundesamt Deutschland), the USA's GDP grew by 1.7% in 2011 (and 3.0% in 2010, source: Bureau of Economic Analysis), thus in 2011 as well as in 2010 the USA's GDP grew less than Germany's GDP.
External debt isn't "bad" at all.
Public debt says nothing about who borrowed you the money, the billions China borrowed you are also part of your public debt.
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HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
First of all, i looked at the bureau of economic analysis, and NOWHERE does it say the US gdp grew by only 1.7% in 2011. It says we grew by 1.8% in just ONE QUARTER (1/4th of a year)
I went to the german site and it measures GDP growth with ADJUSTED RATES, meaning it counts inflation. The US doesn't count inflation in it's numbers. Also, you still haven't addressed the fact that even german numbers show that most RECENTLY germany's GDP is contracting, while ours is growing
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
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Round about half of the public debt held by the public is money you owe China, Japan, the UK, Brazil and co.
China alone owns round about 8% of the USA's total public debt, Japan not much less.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
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Did you seriously just say that half of our debt is external? BWAHAHAHA actually, the public owns over $10 trillion of the $14 trillion debt.
So once again, you're wrong. How does it feel knowing you're consistantly being proven wrong?
I'm still LAUGHING MY ASS OFF over you thinking the german economy grew faster than the US economy.
Go to trading economics, it's an unbiased, unadjusted, FINANCIAL report. You can clearly see how we're raping germany in growth.
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
The "public" is everyone who's not a US government agency, you are a lil bit confused with regard to the meaning of public debt.
Roughly half of the public debt held by the "public", is money you owe China and co.
By the way the USA's total public debt is already more than 15.4 trillions, not 14.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
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"debt held by the "public", is money you owe China"
Please don't tell me you ACTUALLY think this is true? Are you serious? you REALLY think debt HELD BY THE PUBLIC is debt owed to china? You do realize there's a difference between debt HELD by the public, and public debt right? Debt HELD by the public is debt the government owes the public.
Even if we are 15.4 trillion in debt, that still means the US owns almost 2/3rds of the debt, not foreign countries like you said
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
China is a part of "the public", you should read up some definitions...
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
"The Debt Held by the Public is all federal debt held by individuals, corporations, state or local governments, foreign governments, and other entities outside the United States Government less Federal Financing Bank securities. Types of securities held by the public include, but are not limited to, Treasury Bills, Notes, Bonds, TIPS, United States Savings Bonds, and State and Local Government Series securities. "
E.g. the 1.1 trillion $ you owe China.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
Google this-
"The Skeptical Optimist: Pie chart of who owns the national debt"
It shows that the fed (American), US public (American), and US government (American) owns 68% of our debt.
But i thought foreign countries own 50% of our debt? BWAHAHAHAHA wrong again.
And no, debt HELD by the public is talking about US public, not foreign public, that is absurd.
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
Roughly 50% of the debt which is owned by "the public", that excludes the intragovernmental debt.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
Nope, my url clearly says US PUBLIC. do you see the "US" there?
And no, the national debt statistic that my source shows does NOT exclude intragovernmantal debt. It's all part of the national debt.
At the end of the day, the US owns almost 70% of our national debt (which includes intragovernmental)
This means you were wrong about 50% of our debt being foreign.
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
I said half of the debt held by the public, that excludes intragovernmental debt.
Of the total public debt round about one third is held by foreigners, of the public debt held by the public half is held by foreigners, can't be that difficulty to grasp.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
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haha so now you're trying to say that you only meant public debt? hahaha what a joke. The whole point of this discussion was to point out that not even HALF of us debt is held by foreign entities.
And you STILL haven't addressed the fact that germany's gdp is shrinking, and ours is expanding. AND that according to tradingeconomics, we rape you in gdp growth every year.
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
Yes it's absurd, that must be why the definition provided by the US government agency clearly states "foreign governments" lol.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
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And no, external debt matters more for germany, because most of America's debt is internally held, unlike germany. THis means we control our debt much more easily.
Even if there were 1,250 german soldiers in America, that's still wouldn't even be 1/43 how many US soldiers are stationed in germany.
I bet you anything it's not STATIONED german soldiers, only german soldiers TRAINING.
But either way, i would love for you to direct me to a source that confirms your number.
andrewm153351 2 days ago
@andrewm153351
Of course they're stationed in the USA, German soldiers are permanently stationed in the USA since decades.
The 1250 soldiers figure is from the Luftwaffe website.
Two larger locations are Fort Bliss with 270 soldiers and Holloman with ~500 soldiers.
External debt is irrelevant, it's just a byproduct of the strong economic ties German companies have with foreign countries.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
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I'm still reeling with laughter over you thinking germany's GDP grew faster than ours...lol how you could be so incredibly stupid i will never know. Maybe you got your information from wikipedia...lol our GDP grew by more than 1.7% in a QUARTER, let alone a whole year.
And i looked into your 1,250 germans in America number.
Those are TRAINEES, meaning they are NOT on active duty, meaning they aren't STATIONED here.
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
Those units are permanently stationed in the USA under the command of the Deutsche Luftwaffenkommando USA/Kanada and train future German pilots and SAM operators.
Germany has for example 20-30 Panavia Tornado fighter-bombers stationed in the USA for that purpose, for obvious reasons those fighter-bombers are armed with weapons lol.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
Lol you just said yourself that those german troops are here for TRAINING, not combat services. Our 50,000+ soldiers stationed in germany on the other hand are NOT for training, and are for combat services. Having forein soldiers on your land to train isn't even on the same level as having tens of thousands of soldiers OCCUPYING your land
And no, i highly doubt those tornado jets have live weapons. Either way, please send me the link that shows there are 20-30 tornados in the US.
andrewm153351 1 day ago
"The TTC was redesignated the German Air Force Flying Training Center July 1, 1999 in conjunction with their growing mission. In addition, German Air Force pilots and WSOs are now learning to fly the TORNADO at Holloman AFB and instructor aircrews are being trained as well. As of July 2007 there are 600 German military personnel and 21 Tornado aircraft assigned to Holloman AFB, NM. These numbers may increase up to 900 personnel and 42 A/C, depending on the actual training needs. "
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
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First off, you never sent me the url/quote showing ACTIVE munitions on those tornados, which is what i asked for. Obviously trainers don't have active munitions.
And i like how you just left the gdp argument alone. Looks like somebody knows a lost cause when they see one...Again, google "german gdp growth rate trading economics" to see for yourself, not some german government website.
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
Obviously you banned those who aren't in your contact list from sending private messages...
w w w(dot)dsca(dot)mil/pressreleases/36-b/2011/Germany_11-16(dot)pdf
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
lol your pdf talks about the SALE of weapons, and base use for TRAINING. Not tornadoes being USED with live fire.
And on top of that, we have 43x more soldiers that are actually OCCUPYING (not just training) Germany.
Why do you keep embarrassing yourself?
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
Those weapons are live weapons used for training the future weapon system officers of the Panavia Tornados, they make "boom" when you drop em lol.
The Tornado crews practise ground attacks with those live bombs.
The US military isn't occupying Germany, apart from that a large part of the few combat troops currently stationed in Germany is going to leave during the next years.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
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andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
You're on active duty also when you're training, not only when you're involved in combat...
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
We both know that i meant active duty combat role, not just training. It's far different to have some soldiers training in another country, than to have whole regiments on combat role readiness in another country
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
Sure there are a couple of combat troops in Germany, but overall not very significant numbers.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
not very sufficient numbers? Lol 50,000 soldiers is 1/5th the entire active duty german force.
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
Obviously 50,000 includes a lot of troops who hardly know how to fire a gun lol, the number of real combat troops is way less.
Ramstein Air Force Base for example is a huge air base with thousands of soldiers working there, but there's not a single fighter jet stationed there, it's first and foremost a logistic hub.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
lol listen to your self making excuses. At the end of the day America is occupying your country with combat forces.
80,000 soldiers in europe? That's not bad for just being stationed there. How many combat european forces are in America? 0.
At the end of the day the US is the richest, and strongest country in the world.
We were also voted the #1 most admired country in an international poll.
And im still LAUGHING MY ASS OFF over you thinking germany had higher GDP growth
andrewm153351 21 hours ago
@andrewm153351
It's for obvious reasons not an occupation, the US military neither controls Germany nor is it a hostile army, thus obviously it can't be occupying Germany.
That the German GDP grew faster in 2010/2011 can be looked up at the OECD, CIA and co., not hard to find out.
Even the CIA clearly states that the German GDP grew faster both in 2010 and 2011.
Germany
2.7% (2011 est.)
3.6% (2010 est.)
United States
1.5% (2011 est.)
3% (2010 est.)
HingerlAlois 18 hours ago
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@HingerlAlois
lol i have already proven your hilarious numbers wrong. Google "us gdp growth rate trading economics". That's from an actual financial site, not a government one.
We grew more than 1.5% in just ONE QUARTER (1/4th of a year". That's why your numbers are so hilarious.
You don't have to be a hostile army or completely controlling the country to occupy it.
And i like how you didn't even address the fact that we're the richest, strongest country AND we were voted the most admired.
andrewm153351 15 hours ago
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@HingerlAlois
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Now, after proving your hilarious GDP numbers wrong, lets talk about how germany's gdp is CURRENTLY shrinking, and America's is currently GROWING.
andrewm153351 15 hours ago
@andrewm153351
Furthermore of those round about 54,000 soldiers assigned to units in Germany, 22,000 aren't in Germany, but in Afghanistan and co., thus only 32,000 remain in Germany.
Over all we're talking about a mere 80,000 US soldiers in entire Europe compared to roughly 1.6 million European soldiers.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
That is for example the url of a notification about the German Luftwaffe buying base services (incl. ammunition) for 300 million $ for its fighter-bombers stationed in the USA.
Amongst the ammunitions purchased are 720 bombs MK82 and 135 bombs MK84.
Of course you can also watch watch?v=OQfQgc6vEzw on youtube.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@andrewm153351
Can't be that hard to find just google Holloman Air Force Base, that's where the GAF Flying Training Center is located.
You can even search youtube to see German fighter-bombers flying around in the USA, e.g. "Tornados über Idaho", which shows an exercise of Luftwaffe Tornados together with the US Air Force and Canadian Air Force at the Mountainhome Air Force Base in Idaho.
The bombs are blue training bombs (=only concrete), whereas the HARM is a live missile.
HingerlAlois 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
Our soldiers in Germany have WEAPONS and are on DUTY. The few German soldiers that are in America are here for TRAINING. Our American soldiers in Germany are on active offensive duty. Meaning we have a TRUE military presence in Germany.
For instance, we have OUR tanks, aircraft etc on active duty in Germany.
Not the same can be said about German soldiers in America.
Hahaha i laughing my ass off over you thinking Germany has active armed soldiers in America. LOLOL
andrewm153351 1 day ago
@HingerlAlois
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Oh by the way, i conveniently couldn't find any German Luftwaffe website. Can you send me the link in a personal message?
andrewm153351 1 day ago
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@andrewm153351
You want to talk about external debt? Why not include the external assets too?
Germany's external assets exceed its external liabilities by more than one trillion $, it's a net creditor, whereas the USA has less external assets than external debt, it's a net debitor.
HingerlAlois 3 days ago
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You want to talk about external debt? Why not include the external assets too?
Germany's external assets exceed its external liabilities by more than one trillion $, it's a net creditor, whereas the USA has less external assets than external debt, it's a net debitor.
HingerlAlois 3 days ago
@andrewm153351
So now to the British Empire. The British Empire was the largest and most powerfull empire ever seen on this planet. At it most powerful years it encompassed 1/3 of Earths surface. Even now theres still the commonwealth which is the remain of the British Empire. It is an organisation that has way more influence on the world than America.
So back to the subs. Your nuclear subs CANNOT stay under water for more than a few months and cannot dive over 250 meters. Also...
FelixHD1 3 months ago
@FelixHD1
And what you fail to mention is that over HALF of the countries in the british empire were in AFRICA. LOLOL
As i said before, America's Dollar controls 61% of the world's money.
America has nearly 1/3rd of the entire world's gold, we have military bases in over 139 countries.
The british empire didn't even come close to these statistics. The greatest thing they did was rule over lots of poor countries in africa.
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@FelixHD1
Are you insane? Our subs can stay underwater WELL OVER a couple of months. Do you know what a nuclear reactor is? LOL
And i know about the time that you're talking about when a german sub got close to an American sub. The german sub wasn't able to get into an offensive position, if it did, it would have been obliterated.
Remember, America's navy has more tonnage of ships than the next 13 largest navies COMBINED.
We also have the military budget of half the world COMBINED.
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@andrewm153351
The sub had a perfect offensive angle and targeted the carrier with three torpedos.
Of course i know what a nuclear reactor is. And thats the reason why i know that your subs cant stay submerged for years. After all the crew needs food, water and medical supplies so it is impossible for a submarien to stay under water for years.
Also do you know who constructed the rocket which transported the Armstrong and Co? It was the same guy who builde the V2!!
FelixHD1 3 months ago
@FelixHD1
Now your flat out lying. Please send me the source that says the german sub targeted the carrier with three torpedos. I know this isn't true, because ive read up on it. So again, please send the source.
The virginia class sub can carry 1.5 years worth of food.
Again, as i said before, the germans who were the ones that started those programs, but it was the USA that was able to perfect it. Just like they couldn't make a nuclear bomb, they only had the IDEA, but it was US that did it.
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@andrewm153351
American subs can be easily detected while German subs are almost impossible to detect. There was a maneuvre with an American carrier and a German submarin. The sub easily broke through the submarine shild of the carriers guarding ships. It targeted the carrier and shot a photo of it. After that it emerged right next to it. Until then noone knew it was there!!
FelixHD1 3 months ago
@FelixHD1
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Saying that America doesnt have an empire any more just because of a recession is RIDICULOUS. We've had many recessions since our birth.
If you didn't follow the biased news networks you would understand this.
The U.S still has by far the most gold stockpiled, WAY more than the british empire ever had.
All of those technologies that you listed were majorly invented by America.
What kind of processor, software does your computer use? AMERICAN
andrewm153351 3 months ago
@michaausleipzig I wouldn't count on that. US v Germany and no one else involved?
alanbstard4 5 months ago
@alanbstard4
i just meant i can't think of a half-decent scenario that could lead to such a conflict, in whatever constellation or with whoever else involved...
michaausleipzig 5 months ago
A submarine is a boat not a ship
alfred38uk 5 months ago
@alfred38uk
That's true. On the other hand, an old definition of a boat is any vessal that would fit on a ship. Many of the ICBM missile subs are so huge I don't know if one would fit on a ship.
deezynar 5 months ago
How can it have an electric motor and be not magnetic?
crbndecay22 6 months ago
@crbndecay22 thats a good question every type of electric motor has one or more magnets...
thelaughingman79 5 months ago
Right as I'm watching these an earthquake happened. No joke
knowingairsoft 6 months ago
@TheARMAProductions Yes the sonar in the Virginia class is the same as astute but the new block 3 Virginia will have LAB sonar with is cheaper, longer life span, more advanced and has a better listing ability.
N1cholas240 6 months ago
@TheARMAProductions that is kinda true but naval graphs show the 212 being quieter but put the sea wolf and Virginia class together witch is wrong,the Virginia class is quieter then sea wolf so the Virginia should be a tiny bit more quite then the 212.
N1cholas240 6 months ago
@TheARMAProductions I think Britain wanted a sub, which could be a platform for launching ballistic missiles and could support a carrier fleet for an extended amount of time. For this mission, the nuclear powered astute is probably better equipped because of its higher speed and operating range. Germany doesn't have an aircraft carrier. These 212s were strictly designed as hunters and for gathering intelligence in littoral water. The smaller and quieter 212 is better in this task.
bhigr 6 months ago in playlist U32
@TheARMAProductions Frankly, I don't know. This information is usually classified. The sensors of the 212 were designed by STN Atlas, which was bought by BAE systems in 2003. In 2005 Atlas was sold to ThyssenKrupp and EADS. Therefore, I would be surprised if the sonars were all too different.
bhigr 6 months ago in playlist U32