horses of spoiling the party for the Europeans, and he very nearly did just that. I've been a big fan of Goldikova throughout her career. But I really believe that if she wasn't so wildly popular in the States, and if she hadn't accomplished what she did at 3 different Breeders Cup Mile's prior to this one, that she would've taken down for 3rd place in this race. Because Peslier definitely created all of the interference. But no way they were going to D.Q. her in in the final race of her career.
@GBeret83 I think they would have had to if she had won the thing. Can you imagine how ugly that would have been? There would have been multiple claims of foul, all justified, and that might have been difficult for the stewards to ignore, as much as they might have wanted to.
@Venckman, Oh, I know. I thought about that several times that day, too. I was at a local Off Track Betting parlor close to where I live that day, and several different guys were hooting and hollering that day about her even getting to keep 3rd place in the race. Which also would've been justified if she would've knocked down further than 3rd, IMO. But she's done so much for the Breeders Cup that the stewards rightly gave her the benefit of the doubt. Tough call if she'd won, though?
Since he had won the G1 Woodbine Mile in 2010, Court Vision had finished no better than 4th in 6 races since before he won the BC Mile. I know he's a multiple G1 winner in America on turf. But Court Vision's always been difficult for me to back because he's so quirky. You never know which Court Vision will show up? This one, or the one who settles for finishing 4th or 5th? I thought Turallure, if he ran back to the level of his 2011 G1 Woodbine Mile win had the best chance among the American>>>
I'm sorry but since "Goldikova" is not the same horse as before, was his majesty for many years, but has lost the last race and clearly, a time of 1.37.05, it is not no champion, "Goldikova "has given far better entertainment than witnessed by all in the last breeder's. For me it was always the favorite turallure on this evidence further, it leads the world the best jockey Julien Leparoux, so, say nothing more, which fell with honor was TURALLURE not Goldikova.
She/Gio were boxed in on purposer. She didn’t loose and she certainly didn’t do anything to be DQ'ed I was there and was watching, nothing changed because of the bump. She and Gio were kept from racing and forced into a paced fence run only. It wasn’t dirty but it wasn’t fair either. After 3 in a row they knew what they had to do to keep her and Gio out of 1-2 and they did it. Never count out a Gulch child at 64 to 1 unless you are just dense.
@Race62hud I agree about Court Vision. His sire, Gulch, was a tremendous sprinter who won the Met Mile and BC Sprint in 1988. The only reason CV was at such long odds was because he hadn't won a race in a while, but if you look back to his last three seasons, he won some major G1s, including an impressive Woodbine Mile last year. A smart bettor looking at the fact that this horse had recently switched to a different trainer, and to CV's previous record, would have made a ton of money.
I thought the American horses did a great a job of surprising the European horses that were in this race by running much better than them on overall. But in fairness, bar Goldikova, the best of the European turf milers didn't show up for the race this year. Canford Cliffs would've been a force in this race if not retired before he got his shot. I also think Immortal Verse and Excelebration would've proven tough beats, too. But if he had shown? Frankel would've mauled this field by a street, IMO.
@GBeret83 Just wait until next year, if all goes according to plan Frankel will be at the BC in the Mile. I live a hop, skip and a jump away from Santa Anita, so I really hope Frankel makes it safe and sound through the coming year and shows up. Here, I actually think Goldikova drifting out cost Turallure the race. Check the head on, when she drifts and causes that chain reaction, he has to shift quite a few paths out on the outside to avoid other runners that are drifting as part of that chain.
@d9y8l7a6n5, Barring any injury or an unforeseen early retirement, I think it's very likely we'll see Frankel at Santa Anita in 2012 for the Breeders Cup. But my question is, will we see him in the BC Mile on turf? Or in the BC Classic on dirt? Henry Cecil has already stated publicly that he intends to stretch Frankel out to 10f next season. Something like the G1 Prince of Wales's Stakes at Ascot, or the G1 Juddmonte International Stakes at York. If he wins at 10f? Wonder if they'd try the dirt?
@GBeret83 I don't think Frankel would have "mauled" this field by any means. Firstly, has he ever run left handed? Secondly, didn't Zoffany (who?) almost run him down in the SJP - where did Zoffany finish in this race? Also, Cecil should give the Classic the swerve, lest he wants Frankel to finish like his sire in 01. By the way, where did you keep saying SYT would finish in this year's Classic? I stated on the Frankel Sussex Stakes vid, that "he would be lucky to finish 4th". cont...
@GBeret83 To continue: Why did I state that SYT "would be lucky to finish 4th" in the Classic? Because he's a non-US bred (unlike Giant's Causeway, Sakhee, Henrythenavigator and Raven's Pass), and I thought back to the Classic of 01, when Frankel's Irish bred sire Galileo ran a good race until the stretch (like SYT), but just couldn't accelerate when asked (like SYT).
Saw Goldikova cause the trouble in the stretch and I was thinking if she DID get up first, it was going to be a nightmare b/c I assumed she would come down. At least that didn't happen! Agree she lost a step this year but love her anyway.
@Millie9509, I think you're absolutely correct about that. I think it was only because Goldikova finished 3rd and didn't win the race this year that she was even left up on the board. Most post-race comments made by different thoroughbred racing commentators overwhelmingly thought that Goldikova should've been D.Q.'d. But if she had been D.Q.'d? It would've automatically put her in last place. Something I'm afraid the stewards just weren't prepared to do since she didn't win the race. JMO.
Goldikova's jockey was the issue. Her past performances show she can run wide, yet he kept her in, where she found herself boxed in. Her jockey then bumped a horse, forever dissing her name.
affected at the 3/16 pole. Insane. CCat "roughed badly", 3 others "bumped 3/16" and 2 others "floated 3/16". What if you had the approx $75K Super with Gio Ponti and Mr Commons filling out the bottom? I'd file a lawsuit against Churchill. Goldi has to be placed last behind CCat for the bettors and the integrity of the sport. No way they can reasonably say CCat was a beaten horse either. He got crushed and then bumped again and he'd been running along with her just fine up until the. AWFUL
@stickski As much as I respect Goldikova I agree she should have been disqualified to last place. She bulls her way out and causes the chain reaction across the track, then Cat bumps inward again, he got yanked around like a rag doll. I mean if the stewards can DQ Amazombie for "bulling through" in this year's L.A. Handicap, then Goldikova should have received the same fate. And yes Equibase charts confirm than many horses were interfered with, including Turallure, may have cost him the win??
@d9y8l7a6n5 For a legal example of a horse "bulling through", check out Secretariat in the Sanford Stakes, when he muscles his way through a tiny gap between horses in the stretch, and runs down Frankel-trained Linda's Chief. LC's jockey was awestruck afterwards, and analyst Charles Hatton likened that move to a "fox scattering a barnyard of chickens"! But then again, Secretariat was the equine equivalent of a Sherman Tank!
rcschu that's an accurate desciption of Court Vision. gunloc sorry about the brutal missed cash. you gotta just say $1 ex box with those 3. keys always hurt. anyway this race ticks me off cuz goldi shouldve OBVIOUSLY got yanked down. pellier's bull bash move killed courageous cat and affected 5 (yes FIVE) other horses. i don't understand how the stewards can just do that and make somebody's $15 or $20K Trifecta suddenly worthless. i just checked the official charts and it shows 6 horses
Before the BC Turf, Court Vision had won four G1's in his career, and was impressive in the Woodbine Mile last year - he just hadn't won anything for a while. The recent switch to Dale Romans barn did the trick.
@rcschumann Exactly why I did not pick him in this race. Court Vision had his days where he was just ON, and won some good races, but they were so spaced out. He wasn't in the top three in any start after winning the Woodbine Mile, prior to the before he won the 09 Shadwell Turf Mile, he wasn't in the top three since winning the '08 Hollywood Derby. His form between the Shadwell and Woodbine was OK. He was a fine horse, I just never knew when he'd show up. Turns out yesterday was his day.
Turallure and Court Vision absolutely stormed through this field - kind of like Drosselmeyer at the Classic. Albarado showed what a great jockey can do on an extreme long shot. A well-deserved win by him, especially after missing the mount on Animal Kingdom at the Derby.
She will be retired to stud as a hugely valuable broodmare following the Breeder’s Cup Mile, a fourth win further enhancing an already irresistible breeding prospect. Just a shame she couldn't finish with a bang.
When Court Vision went running by me today, coming out of the last turn, I could tell he had this race! I had boxed him with Gio Ponti, and had boxed Turralure with Gio Ponti as well...F***!!!
Some crack head in front of me had placed $100 on Court Vision to win...the dumbass was shouting "that" after the race was over. I wonder if the moron got hit in the head later on...LOL!
horses of spoiling the party for the Europeans, and he very nearly did just that. I've been a big fan of Goldikova throughout her career. But I really believe that if she wasn't so wildly popular in the States, and if she hadn't accomplished what she did at 3 different Breeders Cup Mile's prior to this one, that she would've taken down for 3rd place in this race. Because Peslier definitely created all of the interference. But no way they were going to D.Q. her in in the final race of her career.
GBeret83 1 month ago
@GBeret83 I think they would have had to if she had won the thing. Can you imagine how ugly that would have been? There would have been multiple claims of foul, all justified, and that might have been difficult for the stewards to ignore, as much as they might have wanted to.
Venckman 3 weeks ago
@Venckman, Oh, I know. I thought about that several times that day, too. I was at a local Off Track Betting parlor close to where I live that day, and several different guys were hooting and hollering that day about her even getting to keep 3rd place in the race. Which also would've been justified if she would've knocked down further than 3rd, IMO. But she's done so much for the Breeders Cup that the stewards rightly gave her the benefit of the doubt. Tough call if she'd won, though?
GBeret83 3 weeks ago
Since he had won the G1 Woodbine Mile in 2010, Court Vision had finished no better than 4th in 6 races since before he won the BC Mile. I know he's a multiple G1 winner in America on turf. But Court Vision's always been difficult for me to back because he's so quirky. You never know which Court Vision will show up? This one, or the one who settles for finishing 4th or 5th? I thought Turallure, if he ran back to the level of his 2011 G1 Woodbine Mile win had the best chance among the American>>>
GBeret83 1 month ago
I'm sorry but since "Goldikova" is not the same horse as before, was his majesty for many years, but has lost the last race and clearly, a time of 1.37.05, it is not no champion, "Goldikova "has given far better entertainment than witnessed by all in the last breeder's. For me it was always the favorite turallure on this evidence further, it leads the world the best jockey Julien Leparoux, so, say nothing more, which fell with honor was TURALLURE not Goldikova.
81Calvarez 3 months ago
Turallure BEST HORSE in the race....BAR NONE.
felled 3 months ago
She/Gio were boxed in on purposer. She didn’t loose and she certainly didn’t do anything to be DQ'ed I was there and was watching, nothing changed because of the bump. She and Gio were kept from racing and forced into a paced fence run only. It wasn’t dirty but it wasn’t fair either. After 3 in a row they knew what they had to do to keep her and Gio out of 1-2 and they did it. Never count out a Gulch child at 64 to 1 unless you are just dense.
Race62hud 4 months ago
@Race62hud I agree about Court Vision. His sire, Gulch, was a tremendous sprinter who won the Met Mile and BC Sprint in 1988. The only reason CV was at such long odds was because he hadn't won a race in a while, but if you look back to his last three seasons, he won some major G1s, including an impressive Woodbine Mile last year. A smart bettor looking at the fact that this horse had recently switched to a different trainer, and to CV's previous record, would have made a ton of money.
rcschumann 3 months ago
I thought the American horses did a great a job of surprising the European horses that were in this race by running much better than them on overall. But in fairness, bar Goldikova, the best of the European turf milers didn't show up for the race this year. Canford Cliffs would've been a force in this race if not retired before he got his shot. I also think Immortal Verse and Excelebration would've proven tough beats, too. But if he had shown? Frankel would've mauled this field by a street, IMO.
GBeret83 4 months ago
@GBeret83 Just wait until next year, if all goes according to plan Frankel will be at the BC in the Mile. I live a hop, skip and a jump away from Santa Anita, so I really hope Frankel makes it safe and sound through the coming year and shows up. Here, I actually think Goldikova drifting out cost Turallure the race. Check the head on, when she drifts and causes that chain reaction, he has to shift quite a few paths out on the outside to avoid other runners that are drifting as part of that chain.
d9y8l7a6n5 4 months ago
@d9y8l7a6n5, Barring any injury or an unforeseen early retirement, I think it's very likely we'll see Frankel at Santa Anita in 2012 for the Breeders Cup. But my question is, will we see him in the BC Mile on turf? Or in the BC Classic on dirt? Henry Cecil has already stated publicly that he intends to stretch Frankel out to 10f next season. Something like the G1 Prince of Wales's Stakes at Ascot, or the G1 Juddmonte International Stakes at York. If he wins at 10f? Wonder if they'd try the dirt?
GBeret83 4 months ago
@GBeret83 I don't think Frankel would have "mauled" this field by any means. Firstly, has he ever run left handed? Secondly, didn't Zoffany (who?) almost run him down in the SJP - where did Zoffany finish in this race? Also, Cecil should give the Classic the swerve, lest he wants Frankel to finish like his sire in 01. By the way, where did you keep saying SYT would finish in this year's Classic? I stated on the Frankel Sussex Stakes vid, that "he would be lucky to finish 4th". cont...
rcschumann 3 months ago
@GBeret83 To continue: Why did I state that SYT "would be lucky to finish 4th" in the Classic? Because he's a non-US bred (unlike Giant's Causeway, Sakhee, Henrythenavigator and Raven's Pass), and I thought back to the Classic of 01, when Frankel's Irish bred sire Galileo ran a good race until the stretch (like SYT), but just couldn't accelerate when asked (like SYT).
rcschumann 3 months ago
Saw Goldikova cause the trouble in the stretch and I was thinking if she DID get up first, it was going to be a nightmare b/c I assumed she would come down. At least that didn't happen! Agree she lost a step this year but love her anyway.
Millie9509 4 months ago
@Millie9509, I think you're absolutely correct about that. I think it was only because Goldikova finished 3rd and didn't win the race this year that she was even left up on the board. Most post-race comments made by different thoroughbred racing commentators overwhelmingly thought that Goldikova should've been D.Q.'d. But if she had been D.Q.'d? It would've automatically put her in last place. Something I'm afraid the stewards just weren't prepared to do since she didn't win the race. JMO.
GBeret83 4 months ago
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Goldikova = The european "wog"
Peslier should of been slugged in the mouth after that 2011 Breeders Cup Mile fiasco.
DieterReesem 4 months ago
Goldikova's jockey was the issue. Her past performances show she can run wide, yet he kept her in, where she found herself boxed in. Her jockey then bumped a horse, forever dissing her name.
SusMerkava 4 months ago
affected at the 3/16 pole. Insane. CCat "roughed badly", 3 others "bumped 3/16" and 2 others "floated 3/16". What if you had the approx $75K Super with Gio Ponti and Mr Commons filling out the bottom? I'd file a lawsuit against Churchill. Goldi has to be placed last behind CCat for the bettors and the integrity of the sport. No way they can reasonably say CCat was a beaten horse either. He got crushed and then bumped again and he'd been running along with her just fine up until the. AWFUL
stickski 4 months ago
@stickski As much as I respect Goldikova I agree she should have been disqualified to last place. She bulls her way out and causes the chain reaction across the track, then Cat bumps inward again, he got yanked around like a rag doll. I mean if the stewards can DQ Amazombie for "bulling through" in this year's L.A. Handicap, then Goldikova should have received the same fate. And yes Equibase charts confirm than many horses were interfered with, including Turallure, may have cost him the win??
d9y8l7a6n5 4 months ago
@d9y8l7a6n5 For a legal example of a horse "bulling through", check out Secretariat in the Sanford Stakes, when he muscles his way through a tiny gap between horses in the stretch, and runs down Frankel-trained Linda's Chief. LC's jockey was awestruck afterwards, and analyst Charles Hatton likened that move to a "fox scattering a barnyard of chickens"! But then again, Secretariat was the equine equivalent of a Sherman Tank!
rcschumann 3 months ago
rcschu that's an accurate desciption of Court Vision. gunloc sorry about the brutal missed cash. you gotta just say $1 ex box with those 3. keys always hurt. anyway this race ticks me off cuz goldi shouldve OBVIOUSLY got yanked down. pellier's bull bash move killed courageous cat and affected 5 (yes FIVE) other horses. i don't understand how the stewards can just do that and make somebody's $15 or $20K Trifecta suddenly worthless. i just checked the official charts and it shows 6 horses
stickski 4 months ago
Before the BC Turf, Court Vision had won four G1's in his career, and was impressive in the Woodbine Mile last year - he just hadn't won anything for a while. The recent switch to Dale Romans barn did the trick.
rcschumann 4 months ago
@rcschumann Exactly why I did not pick him in this race. Court Vision had his days where he was just ON, and won some good races, but they were so spaced out. He wasn't in the top three in any start after winning the Woodbine Mile, prior to the before he won the 09 Shadwell Turf Mile, he wasn't in the top three since winning the '08 Hollywood Derby. His form between the Shadwell and Woodbine was OK. He was a fine horse, I just never knew when he'd show up. Turns out yesterday was his day.
d9y8l7a6n5 4 months ago
Turallure and Court Vision absolutely stormed through this field - kind of like Drosselmeyer at the Classic. Albarado showed what a great jockey can do on an extreme long shot. A well-deserved win by him, especially after missing the mount on Animal Kingdom at the Derby.
rcschumann 4 months ago
@rcschumann Turalure, today is so much horse that drosselmeyer man sorry...
81Calvarez 3 months ago
how could you bet on gio ponti with goldikova in the race??
goldie burnt a bit of a hole in my pocket but i was more pissed off to see the horse lose its great record at the breeders more than anything.
Off to stud goldie enjoy the rest of ur days.
ThomasWaters91 4 months ago
@ThomasWaters91
goldikova is filly you jackass
eiufrank 4 months ago
@eiufrank Sit down...
I know that beleive me...
She will be retired to stud as a hugely valuable broodmare following the Breeder’s Cup Mile, a fourth win further enhancing an already irresistible breeding prospect. Just a shame she couldn't finish with a bang.
ThomasWaters91 4 months ago
@eiufrank Goldikova is a mare you jackass.
Nautilus1972 4 months ago
When Court Vision went running by me today, coming out of the last turn, I could tell he had this race! I had boxed him with Gio Ponti, and had boxed Turralure with Gio Ponti as well...F***!!!
Some crack head in front of me had placed $100 on Court Vision to win...the dumbass was shouting "that" after the race was over. I wonder if the moron got hit in the head later on...LOL!
gunloc26 4 months ago
Will miss you Goldie!
73KHS 4 months ago
She hasn't really been in the same form this year but what a brilliant effort, and what a career.
hexiconned 4 months ago
Motherfucker, what was Gioponti drinking??
Jean0987654321 4 months ago
Fantastic 'my' Turallure didn't disappoint me at all, but all credits to Court Vision.
Awesome finish.
watchingponies 4 months ago