Exactly how I feel, i have to answer to myself, not some god or another I have to second guess. I am happy because of the meaning that gives to my life. So well put, great vid.
When your girl friend cheat, which part of your body gets hurt ? When you face loneliness, your parents separated which part of your body you feel insecure ? When bad boys bullies you, which part of your body experience rejection and pain. When some one abuse you, which part of your body get angry. When you feel depression and suicidal thoughts come in your mind, which part of body want to escape from darkness and fear ? Dear friend we get hurt in our soul and spirit more than a physical body.
@youthank8 ha ha - it don't take long for the atheist pervert to emerge - did it? no one respects atheists no matter how hard they try because we all know its folk like you who lurk behind that world view. try again. God always wins.
No matt - you want an excuse for some sort of sexual perversion - it always boils down to this . - the atheist most likely wants to continue to sin without any eternal consequence - atheism is a darkness that will not offer respite. at least christ offers forgiveness for real happiness.
@whiteliketar I totally disagree. I am a former Christian myself, and I came to the conclusion that for many Christians, morality is about obeying authority. If God tells them to sacrifice their child to prove their love for him, they do not question it. If might makes right, was hitler a good man? If not why? Didn't god wipe out nations? And according to the bible sends people to hell for beliving something that can't be proven. I learned what morality isn't, because of the bible.
@KatieTaylor24 there is no such thing as a former christian - this is the stillborn love child of an atheist imagiantion - knowing about Christ is different from knowing Christ. you knew about jesus - you didn't know him .sorry to disappoint you
@KatieTaylor24 -I guess Christ lied to you then, did he ? you have the hallmark of a the famous 'i was a chrsitian delusion' . why should i beleive you? did Jesus not explain to you that the act of knowing God is a supernatural thing - you probably lived and breathed some sort of self deception . No one can be touched by the holy spirit and then become an atheist - this is just normal atheist babble. sorry
@whiteliketar One last thing...if you are an even close representation of Christ, we are all fucked. And I would be glad to not spend an eternity with people who blindly believe authority without questioning it's integrity. You confirm why I do not believe. I think it's all complete bs, and messes up peoples brains, it's called Shitzophrenia. Luckily I was able to undue the brainwashing and form the right snapse pathways that I can think clearly, and use sound judgement. I was made for that
@KatieTaylor24 see how easy it to get the hooligan in you to come out - you are what you think - your language gives you away. thats what happens when you get contaminated by atheistic or agnostic or whatever self deception you feed your mind on. sorry to disaapoint but believing Christ is not irrational.
4.) Do you believe in aliens? Because there are millions of people around the world who would tell you they saw them... not like in your religion, you can READ about eyewitnesses, you can meet this guys, and they will not tell you about their feelings and souls, they'll tell you about material pain in the ass, after being on their ship...
And sorry for my english, not my first language )
@DrVladUs - well - perhaps you should place your faith in those aliens - perhaps the ones who will cause some material pain in your derriere - sounds like the perfect atheist god with a small g. lol - sorry try again
Try what? To write 4 new answers from which you pick one you think you can counter?!
"see how easy it to get the hooligan in you to come out"
see how easy it is to get the hooligan and hypocrit in you out... hooligan because talking about MY derriere and Hypocrite, with a big H, because of your criticism on others "language"...
"eternity is a long time to spend in the wrong place - sorry"
@DrVladUs - how about this one - are you trying to be obnoxious and stupid or does it come naturally? lol the madness of atheism has slowly turned you into a rabid angry person- a wasted life is a tragedy -, try again - i have many more to keep you up at night but that would be unfair - Christ forever
1.) how about this one - are you trying to be obnoxious and stupid or does it come naturally?
Calling me stupid and at the same time not being able to counter ->1<- of my many arguments is obnoxious, stupid, hypocritecal and angry at the same time )
You use no logical arguments to back up your insults, or why do you call me stupid and obnoxious?! ) Because I do not believe in your God?!
NO! It's because of your pride. Do you see one insult in my post? In any? That is morality.
@DrVladUs Wait, who here is arguing for supernaturalism, and who is arguing in favor of naturalism? I responded to the "scientifically, no eternity" thing already...er, which side are you on?
As you mentioned at the ent of your first comment, you have to think in scientifical terms to understand scientific concepts. Natan was responding to whiteliketar, whi thinks that you are obnoxious and stupid if you question his bible ) I was joking about the fact that for such a person that kind of arguments is nonsense, because God could create Time 2.0 for Afterlife or place it in himself because HE is eternal xD
2.) "lol the madness of atheism has slowly turned you into a rabid angry person"
After showing you that you are the person with bad qualities you described, your logic would tell that Christianity has slowly turned you into a rabid angry person )
"i have many more to keep you up at night but that would be unfair"
your argumentation strategy is unfair so what? ) A Christian ignoring his conscience suddenly wakes up? )
"ha ha - speak for yourself please my deceived comrade."
do you speak for youself by calling him deceived without any evidence for your religion? The whole concept of evidence for Gods existence is nonsence, as I tried to show in my earlier comments, because the inside logic of faith itself is destroyed by evidence...
I always thought that your God wants to test our faith, that is why there is no proof for him... as I said, Hypocrite with a big H
@whiteliketar Also, it seems many fall for Christianity because of how it tickles their ears. A decent man can go to hell, while an evil sick man can believe on his deathbed and go to heaven. that is not justice. Many do use religion as a way to continue acting as they always have, with the assurance that God will cover their ass when the time comes. I think about what is right and wrong and why. The God of the bible is responsible for all the choas...he created it, and knew it would happen
@KatieTaylor24 sorry to disappoint you - only God gets to set the rules regariding decency - many serial killers are courteous and polite - some of the most polite folk are atheist doctors suctioning out the brains of resting babies without the slightest awakening of conscience - whose fault is it that you haven't read the Bible or understood it - no wonder Dillahunty can do a number on you .
@whiteliketar If God made the rules, this shows just how immoral he is. Me personally...I wouldn't make a hell, if I had the power to eliminate evil. Evil souls would be zapped out of existence. I would not make someone believe without evidence or suffer forever. I would just forgive instead of beat the crap out of animals, and revise the sacrifical laws and beat the crap out of an innocent man so others can pridefully sin and call themselves forgiven. It takes away responsibility from you.
@whiteliketar Excuse me, my parents work in the ministry and are loving, honest genuine believers. They don't realize all they are accepting, on faith. If all happens according to Gods will, some are destined for hell. If that's the case, it's hopeless right? God is all knowing, but he created the parameters for everything to be, therefore he is ultimately responsible for all of this. We don't have free will of God is all knowing; we just think we do. Dillahunty was a fundamentalist for 25 yrs
@KatieTaylor24 he may have been a fundamentalist but not a true chrsitian. no one who is truly touched b y the holy spirit can deny the Christ. your logis is a non-sequitur. I can spend 25 years in a garage - does that make me a car?
@whiteliketar Your condescending attutude angers me, and I question your morality, as you scoff at unbelivers. Where is your compassion or willingness to try to compell me to think underwise? The God of the Bible is a Mafia Boss. He throws us into a jam, makes us pay (believe without evidence) or he breaks our legs( hell) and yet we are supposedly "sending ourselves there". Or you could see it like a parent torting a child forever, for not loving the parent. Yeah, this is moral for sure....
@whiteliketar if this is Gods character, it doesn't make him right. Might doesn't make right. I can squash the ant because I'm bigger, or I can beat the child because I made it, doesn't make it ok. So by rejecting such a God (not that I actually believe exists, as I think the bible is fradalent)I'd be in a happier place than kissing the ass of a narccissistic God who wants me to be willing to kill just to prove my love to him (abraham and isaac) This is plain sadistic, made to sound so beautiful
@KatieTaylor24 whose fault is it that you dont read or understand your bible? humans have free will to accept or reject God. that's why man is His crowning achievement . I come from a family of atheists myself - are they bad people ..no - but they like others have drowned in their hypocrisy of everything from nothing - the devastating wilderness of the atheist postion is what makes Christ so convincing. nothing plus chance plus billions of years can't distinguish good from evil.
@whiteliketar this is complete ignorance. Most people turn athiest because they care whether or not their views are accurate, not whether they make them feel good or not. to me, it is religion which draws people to it that want that feeling of extacy at any cost, like their soul for example. They just love having a hay day within the walls of their church all day, they are gluttenous, and entitled to everything. And when no ones looking they live a double life, because they are "forgiven"
@KatieTaylor24 - ha ha - you might be supprised to know how many want to continue in their unnatural lifestyles and don't want to answer for it - very seldom does it have to do with anything other than - better to be forgiven - at least they are aware of their sin if they are sincere - no wonder atheists are the least trusted people on the planet - you have no reference for your morality - it's always made up to suit the sin of the day so to speak . no peace without Christ .
@whiteliketar I see more athiests taking responsibility for their actions.They don't expect an innocent man to carry their load. They're concerned with what seems true, not what feels good. Morality is quite rational and logical when it comes to finding peace among people, don't do what you don't done to you. Seems to me Christians are more concerned with getting glory, than just being good. I'm good because I want to be, not because I'm trying to get credit or jewels added to a heavenly crown.
@KatieTaylor24 Only God is good. a cream shirt on its own can look pretty white until it is put next to a pure white ivory shirt. God is the standard of goodness and Holiness not you or me. whose fault is it that you don't read your bible or understand it message of sin and redemption. no wonder you have corrupted your world view. you seem to speak in generalities when it comes to your fellow athiests - humans like stalin can kill millions when they become he gold standard. sorry
@whiteliketar You are prideful, yet talking about how humbled you are to be forgiven. As if I am inferior to you. Why is that supposed to be appealing to me? And what did I do wrong for using the mind God gave me, finding truth the best way I know how, through resaearch and thinking, not popular myths that self contradict. You realize if you were born elsewhere, you'd be that religion. Everyone's culture determines for the most part, what they believe.
@KatieTaylor24 your last statement is what is called a genetic fallacy. no culture or environment can determine truth. if you were the only one in ancient greece that believed that all the planets revolved around the Sun - you might be the only one but you would have truth. you seem to be parroting atheist dogma that's thrown around like a tin can. sorry
@whiteliketar I see myself as a human...not a savage beast. God beats self esteem down in the bible to where they are nothing without him. Doesn't this sound just like an abusve lover who wants you to depend on them? Why do I have to believe I am all kinds of bad things? I am more concerned with morality than I ever was.I had moral issues with the Bible, which was the main reason I cannot accept it. And guess what, I care about integrity, have a huge heart and help others, without an agenda.
@KatieTaylor24 - it is late you may have an axe to grind but - if God is the only one who can bring the whole universe into existence and life - then this is not something that we can understand - he gets to set the rules - he has made a way through the cros. the apostle paul was the greatest enemy of christians - he argued for Christ. whose fault is it that you don;t read your Bible ? sorry but I have to go - youtube atheists are pretty predictable - a pity
@whiteliketar fear kept me from thinking. Once I didn't fear God, or realize a "kind of loving god," I should have to fear. I could think clearly. I remember the spiritual paranoia, and the spiritual warfare and wondering how I was sizing up to God all the time. Talk about mental prison. Now I do not fear God...no one should be motivated by fear...of a supposedly good and just God.
@KatieTaylor24 You do not know the argument of the thinking athiest. You were told by other Christians the argument, and it's all preconcieved ideas...but of course actually considering it scares, you, so you make all kinds of bad conclusions about it.Rewarding belief over deeds, means Hitler could have a change of heart, and go to heaven, while a decent good man could go to hell for not accepting that which doesn't have REAL evidence. Why does faith have to be a requirement?
@KatieTaylor24 Lucifer knew God personally and that's all I'd need to believe. It's awfully convienient how God can't reveal himself tangibly with all the rules he made. If he is smart, he'd do everything in his power to be loud and clear about who he is, and I believe those truly evil people would reject God because he is good (supposedly) and they don't want good. Poeple like me, would have the answer I need to believe and I wouldn't be turned off by a good just God.
@KatieTaylor24 Relying on text, which is easy to distort, manipulate and commit fraud, is not the way to convince people of something. I could write book and declare it is from God. Is anyone obligated to believe my account? no. Are we obligated to believe those who claim they have been abducted by aliens? no. Making a claim doesn't mean it's true. The bible doesnt prove the bible true by saying it's true. Archealogy, history, and secular manuscripts all need to support it.But they don't
@KatieTaylor24 i have to go - but fear is the atheist double-sided argument - I cam from a family of atheists - they were good people - i thank them for raising me - it has very little to do with fear - more with the magnificence of life - the inner working of the cell - when you recognise someone faster than the speed of light - Music - mathematics, chemistry, physics - love for someone of the opposie sex - this cannot be the result of a mindless process - omnia vincit amor
@whiteliketar FYI I'm not an athiest. I am a diest/but I am somewhat agnostic as we cannot clearly define God or morality with the resources we have. Everyone believes whatever they believe for different reasons. Athiests are very certain there is no god, just as religion mimcks it's certainty in a God. I say define God. If we can't know and all admit it, than we can't go as far as to make a doctrine so specific.To me God is love, intelligence, and beauty. I can prove that and it is sound.
@KatieTaylor24 you are only an agnostic and deist because you have not truly being born of the spirit. whose faul is that for your self induced confusion. take heed - Jesus mentioned hell 33 times to 1 as he did heaven. having some mushy incipid lethargic sentimental view of God will not cut it. sorry
1.) I will try to make you understand the atheist concept:
If an Atheist does something that you would consider as sin, you have to understand that he does not see it as sin.
If a fitness coach speaks about eating chocolate as a sin, you don't think so, right?
I know, maybe you think it's not right to compare Christ to a fitness coach, but then you are not ready for a conversation with an atheist, because we think different about religion.
2.) If you see Christianity as the only true reigion and never "sin", BUT ignoring older religions and myths, that is hypocracy.
What if you would read about the myth of Ragnarök and somewhere in the middle of the text there would be a passage forbidding you to wear underwear... I think you would smile but never implement it into your own life, right?!
That is how atheists think about your religion, the know it, but they don't think about it while they do something.
@DrVladUs - whose fault is it that you don't take the time to read the Bible or understand its historicity and the claims of Christ on your life. I am sure you want the sin of Gid to go away so you can carry on in your dark lifestlye . it;s always the dark secret of the atheist - you shoudn't talk about hypocrisy. lol
1.) "whose fault is it that you don't take the time to read the Bible or understand its historicity and the claims of Christ on your life"
-whose fault is it, that you read only the bible and I read the bible too BUT!!! didn't stop there and read any philosophical book I could find on morality and the meaning of life, books about other religions and books about the myths and legends of other cultures...
2.) "I am sure you want the sin of Gid to go away so you can carry on in your dark lifestlye"
- one of the biggest gaps in understanding atheism is the concept that you ARE an atheist WITH ONE EXCEPTION!
For muslims it is a sin to eat pork, so if you eat pork, FOR muslims you sin... BUT DO YOU THINK YOU SIN? DO YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT ISLAM WHILE EATING PORK?
Tell me, don't you understand this concept or don't you want to undestand it?
@DrVladUs - you poor confused atheist - your twisted mind is distorted with relative truth that reigns supreme in all your little 'profound' concepts that you can scheme. all religions can't all be true- there is enough evidence that Christ is the real thing - go read C.S lewis - Mere Christianity and J. Mcdowell - evidence that demands a verdict - and that is only a start - quit reading constant atheist dogma of dawkins , Hitchens and Harris - balance that decimated atheist reasoning
- but they all can be wrong... is a logical concept.
"there is enough evidence that Christ is the real thing"
- I bet you can't tell me one! )
"go read C.S lewis"
- Haha... funny how religious people love to cry about Harry Potter but ignoring Narnia, in which there are many other Gods... fuck, there is even a hierarchy between them =D
Read first about Lewis' view of christianity, then we can debate on the same level )
- "...three choices as to the figure of Jesus: he was either a liar, a lunatic, or a divine man-god. While the weak-minded might accept this premise without question, an intelligent reader will point out an obvious fourth choice: that the story of Jesus could easily have been embellished by his own followers, who inserted all the trappings of divinity long after Jesus's death." By BeatrixB, Amazon )
- YOU: Sex only in the marriage, only straight sex = homosexuals have to marry a woman, to have sex... the fact that there is no love and happiness is unimportant.
3.) We ignore Christ and his teachings to sin unpunished?
So you want to say that we actually know there is God, but we try to close our eyes like small kids do and think we disappear for him?
You really have to implement this concept into your brain.. we don't think than we sin when we fuck outside of marriage, we fuck and YOU think that we sin.
If you see animals banging each other, you could think they sin, but they don't.
Yeah animals aren't humans, but you see the point.
@DrVladUs there we go again - it never takes long for the hooligan in the atheist to emerge does it? there is nothing wrong about sex - God invented it - when it is within marriage. if folk like you if would respect God or yourselves for that matter where wrong sexuality is concerned - we would have less syphillis, hiv/aids . homosexual veneral diseases and millions of babies killed and murdered by abortion because sex is treated like your banging animals you described. pity
- how many people resect your kind of christianity? Let's say 33% of the world population are christians, split into 3 major groups, so not every christian respects your view. Any other worldview or religion doesn't see your's as THE truth. Many of them share our idea of God )
Let's give you now 10-15% of world population. Do you think all this people share your opinion about religion?
@DrVladUs the problem is the majority of folks dont trust your kind - they don't have to be christian to judge you - there is something about an atheist that screams - no moral compass - you expect an atheist to do the wrong thing - who can blame you guys - you have brainwashed yourself that you are on the same level as a cockroach or a komodo dragon - go ahead - defend yourself however you choose - that's just way people think about you even though some of are you are decent folk.
"the problem is the majority of folks dont trust your kind"
- which majority, world population? If so, you are wrong! If you mean a specific country, I don't care ) Here in Germany, a fundamentalist like you has really bad chances to make friends, same for russia, china, Japan... don't want to mention the places with Buddhism and Hinduism as their main religion )
Now you are left with Christianity... tell me the % of christians who agree with you on Atheism )
- you don't even understand how easy it is to debate with somebody who does not think about his arguments...
The natural moral compass is THE atheistic argument against God's Objective Morality. If you think that murder is bad ONLY because God tells so, you are an immoral person, if you think murder is bad even if God would allow you to kill somebody, you feel the natural moral compass...
"you have brainwashed yourself that you are on the same level as a cockroach or a komodo dragon"
- Yes, you know why? Because I am not too proud to accept the scientific evidence.
And what do you mean by the same level? We are all living organism, what else? There is a biological taxonomy, at some branches we are on the same level, on other not... as I said, being not to proud to accept something should be a christian thing, not an atheistic, right?
6.) Most of the so called christians, do the same things atheists do, you might call it sin, the only difference is, they believe there is a God.
If you ask them to which religion they belong they tell you their parents are catholics/protestants/orthodox, so they are too.
Or if you ask them if they are jews or muslims they say no smiling and escape in christianity.. this are christians too. You might ignore it, but you won't if they help the "christian statistics".
@DrVladUs - the problem with the atheist mindset is that it leads to a deadening of the conscience where even unantural acts can be deemed normal after a while - much like the atheist doctor who suctions out the brains of resting babies wiithout so much as batting an eye - it's just normal - one animal killing another animal. that's what you get when you believe you came from a fish and before that - who knows? atheism is the most insidious devilish world view next to Islam.
"where even unantural acts can be deemed normal after a while"
- Unnatural? There is a function in the woman's body, that naturally aborts the embryo if there is something wrong with it... there is a natural selfdestructing mechanism in the fetus if there are failures on the genetic level... and you call abortion unnatural ))
Pregnancy termination is done NOT to kill something, it is done to SAVE a woman's life/health or her psychic/social state...
"it's just normal - one animal killing another animal."
- this is christian stupidity... do you eat meat? Because this is killing an animal that is maybe 50 times less intelligent that humans, but has a simple form of consciousness...an embryo has only the potential for both, but none of them yet!
If your understanding of morality is to place an lump of cells, biologically not better than a tumor, above adult consious animals, you are a Hypocrite with a very big H.
- Could you please quote the part where I did that?!
Of course they FEEl the same pain.
If you play the blood violin and you know that you could die, you know what it means to die, you know what your family and friends will feel, you remember the happy times and can imagine what could happen in the future if you would go on with you life.
An animal can't, it thinks about pain like a computer in "0" & "1" where Pain = don't!
@whiteliketar "atheism is the most insidious devilish world view next to Islam." Atheism is not a world view, it just means you don't believe in a god. You seem like a messed up kid, I blame your parents.
The fun part always starts when christians tell you that a person that sins can't call himself christian => only good people are christians. But here is the problem, their definition of good is not as for example the law says... no, even thinking about adultery is a sin! What daes that mean?!
It means that 95% of non-fundamentalist christians are sinners, who can't call themselve christian... but for statistics =>"We ALL are christians"! Hypocrits. )
@DrVladUs I can explain to your what Nanat means when he says that there is no such thing as eternity, but first I must establish that time as we know it is the time in this universe. I assume that you're agreeing at this point. Now I will explain: The Big Bang was the beginning of the universe, and of time itself, so time in this universe (our time) began in the instant of the initial expansion. The universe has existed forever, if you think about it scientifically.
Well said Matt. I know you have clarified on your show that atheist are not simply hedonistic people who want to be free to 'sin' without fear of retribution, but for some reason, religious people just don't want to believe this.
It's like they see people jumping off the boat, swimming to the nearby shores of reason, leaving them to do the rowing. They are really pissed about that. LOL.
GOD: Oo .. wtf man, do you understand that I was hiding it from humanity to test their Faith, making any evidence disappear and any argument illogical.. and you take the evidence and show it to them -.-
MIKET: Should hide it better next time, my almighty/all-knowing God! ;)
That is how intellectual defensible your proofs are - work great with somebody being arrogant enough to see themself smarter than their own God : )))
"I want you to research Pragmatism and Existentialism."
- are you an idiot? Do you read my comments?
"Thats what you are being indoctrinated into."
- my parents are religious and still gave me the possibility to make my own desicion what to believe VS you being forced by your milieu to believe in God... do you even understand what incdocrination means?!
"you hold a position based on nothing but simple abstract possibility."
Don't give me that idiotic rhetoric about "lack of belief bullshit" Be a man and take a position. There is a God or there is no God? What is it? Do you say there is a God or there is no God?
- Reminds me of a situation when a man told me to be a man and fight him. I said to him, that I won't punch or kick him, but if he attacks me I'll rip his throat and tear hes eyes out. You are like the man, trying to provoke me with this stupid "balls" argument...
Your brain seems not to be able to understand, that the answer "I don't know so I don't take a position" requires much more manhood than believing the thing you LIKE most...
Free....exactly right...spot on. The moment I realized the bible and everything contained in there was bullshit, I had a deep sense of freedom. It was awesome to feel truly responsible for your own actions, it is empowering to know you can make a difference in your own life and the lives of others. The feeling of being watched 24/7 was exhausting in every way. It was the ultimate self inflicted imprisonment. I am glad to say I no longer think this way.
@MATZAMAN76 Interesting, can you tell me what "bullshit" you found in the Bible? Please don't go to some anti bible no nothing page and start copying and pasting. Tell me what you found in the Bible thats not true. I am going to tell you right now, all of the Bible is 98.7% textually pure and you are wrong with that statement. I'm calling you out, yes, you show me one thing at a time and we will discuss it and I will show you where you are wrong. guarantee it!
There is plenty of bullshit to go around in those pages. Start by being intellectually honest and make actual truth the priority over your "faith interpretation". Things to research: 1) How the bible was put together and compare it to recorded history. Alot of BS! 2) Prophecy. (this is the largest area of complete bullshit. Not 1 coherent explanation of any 1 prophecy. For prophecies to be "true" it requires baseless assumptions, wishful thinking and willful ignorance).
@MATZAMAN76 I'm sorry, but I have to tell you, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. I studied the Bible many years. Tell me, if you know, how long did it take to write the Bible and how many authors were there? Do you know that? You're are an ignorant savage. Because you say everything is bullshit doesn't make it so. You are bullshit actually.
Sarcasm on: You are right,,,there are NO issues in the bible, prophecy is 100% on, facts, timelines and archaeological evidence is 110% in agreement, no consistency issues, yes, the bible is 100% absolute truth!....Sarcasm off:
I can see that your willful ignorance is strong...good luck with that. No one can help a person that thinks like you. You are dishonest and it shows in your responses. You need an education, not a debate.
I did before, was not as impressive as "Thus Spoke Zarathustra".
Your problem is you look at one book and follow it, what might be cool for you. I had to read the Bible, as a protest I read the Quran. When Later I read many books from christian and muslim and other theologians, ancient and modern philosophers and what was maybe the most impressive, the history of religions.
You have to understand the whole context, all religions and their beginning =)
@DrVladUs I don't care for your opinion, I just asked you to read and let me know what you thought it was about. Thats all. I don't care if you were impressed with it or not.
Again, I am not talking about theology. We are discussing the existence of God. Is He real or not. Do you get it?
The point I was trying to make was, Psalm 22 was written 800 years before the birth of Christ and 400 years before crucifixion was invented and later perfected by the Romans.
"I don't care for your opinion, I just asked you to read and let me know what you thought it was about."
Dont be so angry, see what contradictory stuff you start to write )
"I don't care if you were impressed with it or not."
"The point I was trying to make was..." and that point did not impress me... what do you want to tell me with this dates? Look at all religions at the same time all over the world, thousands of years before and then try to be impressed...
You have realy a problem with your own mindset, saying there is proof for God.
If you have proof for something, you do not beliefe anymore, you KNOW!
The point you want to make is what? That all people all over the world are idiots because they ONLY believe?
If the so called proof s that easy to see/understand, why people all over the world still believe? Even theists have faith, not knowledge! Befor you throw around words, learn what they mean.
@DrVladUs OK then, you're obviously an idiot. You want proof, I offer it and you quickly dismiss it. I'll tell you what I have a problem with. Its idiots like yourself who take such a strong stand on something that is based on nothing but simple abstract possibility.
You know, don't worry God doesn't believe in you either.
This little one sided debate is over. I am not dealing with an egotistical maniac, who probably, had a bad relationship with his father. Idiot!
That's how to destroy a fundamentalist+showing his true character =)
"You want proof, I offer it" => if you go through egyptian pyramids and see the pictures and sculptures of the Gods in/on the walls, is that valid proof for their existence? xD
"and you quickly dismiss it." => should have shown you how weak your proof is =)
"such a strong stand" => was responding to you during coffee break after learning some hours, you call it this stong stand, for me is such a debate relaxing )
"such a strong stand" => could take your position too and would win vs an atheist, who does not understand his position and throws words, he doesn't even understand, around...
"something that is based on nothing but simple abstract possibility" => this wasn't even high level debate like I had vs. a theology prof. at my university, nobody won, we respected each other, because we knew that such stupid proofs like Cosmologic Argument destroy themself.
@DrVladUs That might be stupid to you weenie, but its proof nevertheless. That more than I can say for you and your position. " There no proof so I don't believe." You're one step above a savage.
"That might be stupid to you weenie" as I said, true nature of a person, who did not understand his own religion.
And man, I'm walking tall though life without being afraid of something "possible" ;)
"but its proof nevertheless." as I said it is proof relative to my state of faith, I don't care about RELIGIOUS proof, because I do not believe in this special RELIGION, that difficult for you? It's like telling you about proofs of evolution, knowing you will reject it.
"You're one step above a savage." => me understanding all of your points, responding to all of your question, and being always respectful in the debate makes me a much better person without any faith.
So after calling me an "one step above a savage", what are you then? I know what you are, but knowing, you have surely weapons in the house and couldn't stand up to such critique, it's immoral toward innocent people living in your neighborhood.
Guys, for me the funniest part is, when miket1m is telling me that he is not discussing about religion here, but only the existence of God himself... and than any of his so called proofs were religious inspired, totally destroying his selfimage of an objective person.
And if there is evidence, why there is still faith in God and NOT knowledge about him?!
And miket1m, where is your non-religious prrof that there is or could be only one God?!
@DrVladUs Just to let you know, there is a difference between Theology and Theism. You should do some research before you post something.
I guess, thanks to self esteem classes opinions on things you have no knowledge of whatsoever are just important as anyone else's huh?
I have proof, but your condescending attitude which truly shows your stupidity, tell me its not worth the effort. I noticed I didn't see anyone teaming up with you on how stupid you think I am. Wonder why?
"Just to let you know, there is a difference between Theology and Theism."
so you are telling me you are an idiot? Because any time I tell you that I'm an atheist, who dose not BELIEVE in God, you are responding to me as somebody, who KNOWS there is a God.
"didn't see anyone teaming up with you" I didn't ask somebody to team up, because there are like 5-6 people who ar hammering you, and you tell it proofe for my stupidity when I am one of them?! xD Ultimate-Facepalm
And what are you of a Christian after telling me that the debate is over, offending me and after getting contra, still without insulting you, you came back to say some last wors?!
@DrVladUs Explain how the transcendental argument destroys itself? High level debate? Simple is good. Take your position. Like I said earlier, for one to say there is no God, one would have to have complete and absolute knowledge of the entire universe (omniscience). Since you don't possess this, how do you say there is no God? No evidence? Have you seen all the evidence in the world? I would say no. So again, how do you say there is no God? You can't. Your position "atheist" is illogical.
"You know, don't worry God doesn't believe in you either." => this are moments, when I hope that NOT your religion is right in the end, burning in hell with theists with a "Epic Fail"-Sign on their forehead will make it somewhat comfortable xD
"This little one sided debate is over." => even now you avoided (were afraid of or did not understand) like 70% of my comments xD
"egotistical" => you wanted always answers, never giving me one to my main question xD
"maniac" => you uploaded a video whit a girl breaking up a weapon saing that this is what small girls should know ;)
"who probably, had a bad relationship with his father" => nice, little Freud-Fanboy, maybe you should read more of his literature, could understand why you have such a problem with people who stand in their life on own two feet without hoping for somebody to guide them through.
@DrVladUs You can't guide anyone who doesn't want to be guided. You have shown that you are nothing more than just another condescending fool who runs off at the mouth. We both know what your position is all about.
@DrVladUs How do you say that is being a maniac? People need to learn to defend themselves against people who follow subjective morals, atheist. What guides you atheist? What set of moral do you base your judgement on?
@miket1m - I just thought I would point out that it has been proved Psalm 22 was altered to fit the Christ story. Google it. Sorry but it is not a prophecy if you say it after an event.
The Dead Sea scroll known as "Nahal Hever" which was written in 50AD, it clearly says in Hebrew "They have pierced my hands and my feet". This also matches all earlier versions of the Tanach such as the 250BC Septuagint and even the Vulgate texts. A 250BC copy of the Tanach called the "Septuagint" can be seen at wwwdotecmarshdotcom/lxx.This is how it reads in the modern King James, American Standard, English Standard and all other Christian versions of the bible also.
@miket1m - No it reads “Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet.” All scholars now agree this was altered. Look if you really want to believe that this highly disputed couple of words proves the existence of a supernatural power when almost every word of the bible is scientifically, morally and even historically nonsense then anything I say will not change your view.
@WillShakespeare2007 No you have been misinformed. Don't give me the "All the scholars" bs. Like I said.Thats what it says in the dead sea scrolls. I gave you a link to look it up. The Jews would love for it not to be in there. But it is.
The Bible makes statements that are consistent with Physics, Paleontology, Astronomy, Meteorology, Biology, Anthropology, Hydrology, Geology. There are things in the Bible that science can't explain.
Craigie offers this view and says that the “like a lion” rendition “presents numerous problems and can scarcely be correct” (196). Even the very liberal Interpreter’s Bible, which repudiates the passage as being prophetic of the crucifixion of Christ, says that “like a lion” does not make sense in the context (Sclater,120). Brown, et al., represent the term in this fashion: “they have bored (digged, hewn) my hands and my feet” (468).
Professor Baigent of the West London Institute of Higher Education suggests that the standard Massorite Hebrew text, reflecting “like a lion,” “seems to be corrupt” (614). Numerous other scholars concur. In addition, the Dead Sea Scrolls, which pre-date the common Hebrew texts by a thousand years, the term clearly is “pierced,” not “lion” (VanderKam / Flint, 124). The ancient versions (translations of the Hebrew text into various languages) overwhelmingly supports pierced
In the Septuagint (Greek version), the Syriac, Vulgate, Arabic, and the Ethiopic. One must remember that the Massorite Hebrew text is from the second century A.D., while the Septuagint dates from the third century B.C. There is a very powerful point here, to which Kidner calls attention: “A strong argument in its [”pierced"] favor is that the LXX [Septuagint], compiled two centuries before the crucifixion, and therefore an unbiased witness, understood it so" (107).
So much for the assertion that “pierced” is a “fundamentalist Christian” contrivance! There are many many "scholars" who would disagree with you. Noted Bible scholars Jewish and non-Jewish. Many more than you can bring up I assure you. Thats nonsense. Take a look at the rest of the Psalm too. "They cast lots for my clothing" and "My God My God, why hast thou forsaken me" etc. Give it up. You have to be a complete moron not to think this is the most amazing book written.
@miket1m - The usual immediate aggressive tone, the usual Christian behavior from a man that clearly wishes you were out beheading for blasphemy like your Muslim brothers
You then cut and past an entire article from the Christian Courier, any thought of your own I wonder beyond the added aggression?
To be honest you sound just like a "truther" looking for any tiny little shred to back up your belief. Or those that saw signs in Beatles albums that Paul's dead.
@WillShakespeare2007 You're nuts. I don't really care if you believe or not actually. I knew you wouldn't read it so I copied and pasted it. Of course I did. I don't deny it. Like I said, you're nuts. I don't give a damn what you think idiot.
@miket1m - You copied and pasted as you are incapable of thinking for yourself and the only statements you have made for yourself so far are;
1. To call me "an idiot".
2. To say I'm "nuts"
3. "You have to be a complete moron not to think this is the most amazing book written."
4. Don't give me the "All the scholars" bs.
Don't try and pass yourself of as a thinking person via copy and past as you are just rude and aggressive as is revealed above when I quote you not your plagiarism.
@WillShakespeare2007 Wow you're so brilliant. You figured it out, wow. I told you I was copying and pasting moron. You won't take my word for it. I'm tired of communicating with you.
@miket1m - You admitted you were copying and pasting AFTER I pointed it out to you. Of course you are tired of communicating with me as I caught you passing others work off as your own, pulled out your own comments and showed how childish and illiterate they are and humiliated you.
Once you are speaking with your own thoughts you are like a little school kid calling everyone names and getting upset about everything. It's pathetic to be honest.
@WillShakespeare2007 Whatever idiot. Its what the material is saying, thats what counts. It shows you don't know a damn thing you're talking about moron.
@miket1m - Oh look at you talking at your actual level. Everyone is an "idiot" and a "moron". What happened to coherently trying make a point? Oh right that was just copy and paste. You're now like a chimp without his trainer. Let me guess at your next response is it "moron"?
@miket1m - "Am I still going on" you are the one that commented to me and I simply responded, so how am I the one "still going on". It seems that even basic logic eludes you. Adding abuse to your copied posts has totally exposed you are a ludicrous fraud so why you are still posting I cannot imagine.
@WillShakespeare2007 Basic logic does not elude me. It seems you have no idea what you are talking about. I asked you a simple question. How do you account for the existence of the laws of logic? Aristotle didn't create them, he discovered them but he didn't create them. These laws are absolute.They preexisted man. Man just discovered them. You're not curious as to your inability to account for these transcendent laws of logic?
@miket1m Yes, you are still going on about the Laws of Logic. Yes, Aristotle was the first to voice them. Yes, they are applicable anywhere. No, they do not mean there is a God as they are Self Evident (ie, require no proof or explanation).
@miket1m - You are mixing me up with someone else and you didn't mention anything of the kind to me or ask me anything. You copied and pasted an article from a Christian website to prove what you believed to be a prophesy from the bible and added insults to each post.
I would add that you have AGAIN just copied and pasted views from a Christian website in this very comment. You are aware I can take your posts copy them into google and see where you have copied them from?
@WillShakespeare2007 Tell me, oh wise one, where do you parrot your shit from? At least I study something that makes sense. You hold a position which is totally illogical and doesn't make a lick of sense. Let me say this, thou greasy deformed vile worm, there are over three hundred proofs for the existence of God. Does atheism have anything going for it at all? Any evidence which makes you say to yourself, "I am right for holding this position."
I'm at a point where I want to create a new YT-Account, to write you in the name of God, ordering you to kill yourself + instant acces to heaven, without consequences, BUT if you disobey, there is no chance for you to go to heaven.
Would you shoot yourself? Or is there a chance, that you wouldn't believe me? But can you be sure, that I'm not God? What if all that time you was debating with God?!
Do you KNOW for sure I'm not God? If so, where is the evidence?
@DrVladUs Oh, I see, two strikes against you. One, your from a European country, which most American feel is one step above a 3rd world country.
Two, you're only 21 years old. You can't find your own ass with two hands, a flashlight and a road map at 21 years old. Lets see, so far, all you have done in life is suck up everything for free. Money, bed, heat, food, clothing, all free from your parents. Where have you been in your life, little mind sphincter boy?
"your from a European country, which... is one step above a 3rd world country"
LOL xD... most countries in europe were far above the 3dr world, before America was discovered xD LOL
"..most American feel.." I'm studying with many Americans at my University, and I can tell you, that the smart guys, see not only the stereotypes, which people like you, accept as true reading about something on a propaganda site. !Europe is 1 step..." xD
0:47 ha ha, he says "penises"
lago4 2 days ago
Exactly how I feel, i have to answer to myself, not some god or another I have to second guess. I am happy because of the meaning that gives to my life. So well put, great vid.
Mfothergillable 1 week ago
That was beautiful. And I think that's how a lot of atheists actually feel about their atheism.
Belloran24 1 week ago
Great series. I was waiting for that, to hear the personal stories of the people of atheist experience.
mkv1614 2 weeks ago
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When your girl friend cheat, which part of your body gets hurt ? When you face loneliness, your parents separated which part of your body you feel insecure ? When bad boys bullies you, which part of your body experience rejection and pain. When some one abuse you, which part of your body get angry. When you feel depression and suicidal thoughts come in your mind, which part of body want to escape from darkness and fear ? Dear friend we get hurt in our soul and spirit more than a physical body.
samaroo96 3 weeks ago
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V0nAnglesmith 4 weeks ago
:') Touching, Matt. Touching.
ShnackaCracka 1 month ago
goddamnit I hate the background music -_- Makes it all mushy and grouphuggy =S
SicSeb 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
please don't breed.
youthank8 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
the cum of jesus coats the walls of your rectum
youthank8 1 month ago
@youthank8 ha ha - it don't take long for the atheist pervert to emerge - did it? no one respects atheists no matter how hard they try because we all know its folk like you who lurk behind that world view. try again. God always wins.
whiteliketar 1 month ago
No matt - you want an excuse for some sort of sexual perversion - it always boils down to this . - the atheist most likely wants to continue to sin without any eternal consequence - atheism is a darkness that will not offer respite. at least christ offers forgiveness for real happiness.
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar I totally disagree. I am a former Christian myself, and I came to the conclusion that for many Christians, morality is about obeying authority. If God tells them to sacrifice their child to prove their love for him, they do not question it. If might makes right, was hitler a good man? If not why? Didn't god wipe out nations? And according to the bible sends people to hell for beliving something that can't be proven. I learned what morality isn't, because of the bible.
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 there is no such thing as a former christian - this is the stillborn love child of an atheist imagiantion - knowing about Christ is different from knowing Christ. you knew about jesus - you didn't know him .sorry to disappoint you
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar According to the Bible which is one of the most devicive books known to mankind. Oh believe me...I lived and breathed it for 15 years.
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 -I guess Christ lied to you then, did he ? you have the hallmark of a the famous 'i was a chrsitian delusion' . why should i beleive you? did Jesus not explain to you that the act of knowing God is a supernatural thing - you probably lived and breathed some sort of self deception . No one can be touched by the holy spirit and then become an atheist - this is just normal atheist babble. sorry
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar One last thing...if you are an even close representation of Christ, we are all fucked. And I would be glad to not spend an eternity with people who blindly believe authority without questioning it's integrity. You confirm why I do not believe. I think it's all complete bs, and messes up peoples brains, it's called Shitzophrenia. Luckily I was able to undue the brainwashing and form the right snapse pathways that I can think clearly, and use sound judgement. I was made for that
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 see how easy it to get the hooligan in you to come out - you are what you think - your language gives you away. thats what happens when you get contaminated by atheistic or agnostic or whatever self deception you feed your mind on. sorry to disaapoint but believing Christ is not irrational.
whiteliketar 1 month ago
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DrVladUs 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
4.) Do you believe in aliens? Because there are millions of people around the world who would tell you they saw them... not like in your religion, you can READ about eyewitnesses, you can meet this guys, and they will not tell you about their feelings and souls, they'll tell you about material pain in the ass, after being on their ship...
And sorry for my english, not my first language )
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@DrVladUs - well - perhaps you should place your faith in those aliens - perhaps the ones who will cause some material pain in your derriere - sounds like the perfect atheist god with a small g. lol - sorry try again
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
"sorry try again"
Try what? To write 4 new answers from which you pick one you think you can counter?!
"see how easy it to get the hooligan in you to come out"
see how easy it is to get the hooligan and hypocrit in you out... hooligan because talking about MY derriere and Hypocrite, with a big H, because of your criticism on others "language"...
"eternity is a long time to spend in the wrong place - sorry"
Allah will smile in your face while saying it )
sorry - try again
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@DrVladUs - how about this one - are you trying to be obnoxious and stupid or does it come naturally? lol the madness of atheism has slowly turned you into a rabid angry person- a wasted life is a tragedy -, try again - i have many more to keep you up at night but that would be unfair - Christ forever
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
1.) how about this one - are you trying to be obnoxious and stupid or does it come naturally?
Calling me stupid and at the same time not being able to counter ->1<- of my many arguments is obnoxious, stupid, hypocritecal and angry at the same time )
You use no logical arguments to back up your insults, or why do you call me stupid and obnoxious?! ) Because I do not believe in your God?!
NO! It's because of your pride. Do you see one insult in my post? In any? That is morality.
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@DrVladUs Wait, who here is arguing for supernaturalism, and who is arguing in favor of naturalism? I responded to the "scientifically, no eternity" thing already...er, which side are you on?
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 1 month ago
@EinsteinxtremeRoblox
As you mentioned at the ent of your first comment, you have to think in scientifical terms to understand scientific concepts. Natan was responding to whiteliketar, whi thinks that you are obnoxious and stupid if you question his bible ) I was joking about the fact that for such a person that kind of arguments is nonsense, because God could create Time 2.0 for Afterlife or place it in himself because HE is eternal xD
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@whiteliketar
2.) "lol the madness of atheism has slowly turned you into a rabid angry person"
After showing you that you are the person with bad qualities you described, your logic would tell that Christianity has slowly turned you into a rabid angry person )
"i have many more to keep you up at night but that would be unfair"
your argumentation strategy is unfair so what? ) A Christian ignoring his conscience suddenly wakes up? )
DrVladUs 1 month ago
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@whiteliketar
"ha ha - speak for yourself please my deceived comrade."
do you speak for youself by calling him deceived without any evidence for your religion? The whole concept of evidence for Gods existence is nonsence, as I tried to show in my earlier comments, because the inside logic of faith itself is destroyed by evidence...
I always thought that your God wants to test our faith, that is why there is no proof for him... as I said, Hypocrite with a big H
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@whiteliketar Also, it seems many fall for Christianity because of how it tickles their ears. A decent man can go to hell, while an evil sick man can believe on his deathbed and go to heaven. that is not justice. Many do use religion as a way to continue acting as they always have, with the assurance that God will cover their ass when the time comes. I think about what is right and wrong and why. The God of the bible is responsible for all the choas...he created it, and knew it would happen
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 sorry to disappoint you - only God gets to set the rules regariding decency - many serial killers are courteous and polite - some of the most polite folk are atheist doctors suctioning out the brains of resting babies without the slightest awakening of conscience - whose fault is it that you haven't read the Bible or understood it - no wonder Dillahunty can do a number on you .
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar If God made the rules, this shows just how immoral he is. Me personally...I wouldn't make a hell, if I had the power to eliminate evil. Evil souls would be zapped out of existence. I would not make someone believe without evidence or suffer forever. I would just forgive instead of beat the crap out of animals, and revise the sacrifical laws and beat the crap out of an innocent man so others can pridefully sin and call themselves forgiven. It takes away responsibility from you.
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@whiteliketar Excuse me, my parents work in the ministry and are loving, honest genuine believers. They don't realize all they are accepting, on faith. If all happens according to Gods will, some are destined for hell. If that's the case, it's hopeless right? God is all knowing, but he created the parameters for everything to be, therefore he is ultimately responsible for all of this. We don't have free will of God is all knowing; we just think we do. Dillahunty was a fundamentalist for 25 yrs
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 he may have been a fundamentalist but not a true chrsitian. no one who is truly touched b y the holy spirit can deny the Christ. your logis is a non-sequitur. I can spend 25 years in a garage - does that make me a car?
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar Your condescending attutude angers me, and I question your morality, as you scoff at unbelivers. Where is your compassion or willingness to try to compell me to think underwise? The God of the Bible is a Mafia Boss. He throws us into a jam, makes us pay (believe without evidence) or he breaks our legs( hell) and yet we are supposedly "sending ourselves there". Or you could see it like a parent torting a child forever, for not loving the parent. Yeah, this is moral for sure....
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@whiteliketar if this is Gods character, it doesn't make him right. Might doesn't make right. I can squash the ant because I'm bigger, or I can beat the child because I made it, doesn't make it ok. So by rejecting such a God (not that I actually believe exists, as I think the bible is fradalent)I'd be in a happier place than kissing the ass of a narccissistic God who wants me to be willing to kill just to prove my love to him (abraham and isaac) This is plain sadistic, made to sound so beautiful
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 whose fault is it that you dont read or understand your bible? humans have free will to accept or reject God. that's why man is His crowning achievement . I come from a family of atheists myself - are they bad people ..no - but they like others have drowned in their hypocrisy of everything from nothing - the devastating wilderness of the atheist postion is what makes Christ so convincing. nothing plus chance plus billions of years can't distinguish good from evil.
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar this is complete ignorance. Most people turn athiest because they care whether or not their views are accurate, not whether they make them feel good or not. to me, it is religion which draws people to it that want that feeling of extacy at any cost, like their soul for example. They just love having a hay day within the walls of their church all day, they are gluttenous, and entitled to everything. And when no ones looking they live a double life, because they are "forgiven"
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 - ha ha - you might be supprised to know how many want to continue in their unnatural lifestyles and don't want to answer for it - very seldom does it have to do with anything other than - better to be forgiven - at least they are aware of their sin if they are sincere - no wonder atheists are the least trusted people on the planet - you have no reference for your morality - it's always made up to suit the sin of the day so to speak . no peace without Christ .
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar I see more athiests taking responsibility for their actions.They don't expect an innocent man to carry their load. They're concerned with what seems true, not what feels good. Morality is quite rational and logical when it comes to finding peace among people, don't do what you don't done to you. Seems to me Christians are more concerned with getting glory, than just being good. I'm good because I want to be, not because I'm trying to get credit or jewels added to a heavenly crown.
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 Only God is good. a cream shirt on its own can look pretty white until it is put next to a pure white ivory shirt. God is the standard of goodness and Holiness not you or me. whose fault is it that you don't read your bible or understand it message of sin and redemption. no wonder you have corrupted your world view. you seem to speak in generalities when it comes to your fellow athiests - humans like stalin can kill millions when they become he gold standard. sorry
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar You are prideful, yet talking about how humbled you are to be forgiven. As if I am inferior to you. Why is that supposed to be appealing to me? And what did I do wrong for using the mind God gave me, finding truth the best way I know how, through resaearch and thinking, not popular myths that self contradict. You realize if you were born elsewhere, you'd be that religion. Everyone's culture determines for the most part, what they believe.
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 your last statement is what is called a genetic fallacy. no culture or environment can determine truth. if you were the only one in ancient greece that believed that all the planets revolved around the Sun - you might be the only one but you would have truth. you seem to be parroting atheist dogma that's thrown around like a tin can. sorry
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar I see myself as a human...not a savage beast. God beats self esteem down in the bible to where they are nothing without him. Doesn't this sound just like an abusve lover who wants you to depend on them? Why do I have to believe I am all kinds of bad things? I am more concerned with morality than I ever was.I had moral issues with the Bible, which was the main reason I cannot accept it. And guess what, I care about integrity, have a huge heart and help others, without an agenda.
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 - it is late you may have an axe to grind but - if God is the only one who can bring the whole universe into existence and life - then this is not something that we can understand - he gets to set the rules - he has made a way through the cros. the apostle paul was the greatest enemy of christians - he argued for Christ. whose fault is it that you don;t read your Bible ? sorry but I have to go - youtube atheists are pretty predictable - a pity
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar fear kept me from thinking. Once I didn't fear God, or realize a "kind of loving god," I should have to fear. I could think clearly. I remember the spiritual paranoia, and the spiritual warfare and wondering how I was sizing up to God all the time. Talk about mental prison. Now I do not fear God...no one should be motivated by fear...of a supposedly good and just God.
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 "Shouldn't have to fear*" (correction)
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 You do not know the argument of the thinking athiest. You were told by other Christians the argument, and it's all preconcieved ideas...but of course actually considering it scares, you, so you make all kinds of bad conclusions about it.Rewarding belief over deeds, means Hitler could have a change of heart, and go to heaven, while a decent good man could go to hell for not accepting that which doesn't have REAL evidence. Why does faith have to be a requirement?
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 Lucifer knew God personally and that's all I'd need to believe. It's awfully convienient how God can't reveal himself tangibly with all the rules he made. If he is smart, he'd do everything in his power to be loud and clear about who he is, and I believe those truly evil people would reject God because he is good (supposedly) and they don't want good. Poeple like me, would have the answer I need to believe and I wouldn't be turned off by a good just God.
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 Relying on text, which is easy to distort, manipulate and commit fraud, is not the way to convince people of something. I could write book and declare it is from God. Is anyone obligated to believe my account? no. Are we obligated to believe those who claim they have been abducted by aliens? no. Making a claim doesn't mean it's true. The bible doesnt prove the bible true by saying it's true. Archealogy, history, and secular manuscripts all need to support it.But they don't
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 i have to go - but fear is the atheist double-sided argument - I cam from a family of atheists - they were good people - i thank them for raising me - it has very little to do with fear - more with the magnificence of life - the inner working of the cell - when you recognise someone faster than the speed of light - Music - mathematics, chemistry, physics - love for someone of the opposie sex - this cannot be the result of a mindless process - omnia vincit amor
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar FYI I'm not an athiest. I am a diest/but I am somewhat agnostic as we cannot clearly define God or morality with the resources we have. Everyone believes whatever they believe for different reasons. Athiests are very certain there is no god, just as religion mimcks it's certainty in a God. I say define God. If we can't know and all admit it, than we can't go as far as to make a doctrine so specific.To me God is love, intelligence, and beauty. I can prove that and it is sound.
KatieTaylor24 1 month ago
@KatieTaylor24 you are only an agnostic and deist because you have not truly being born of the spirit. whose faul is that for your self induced confusion. take heed - Jesus mentioned hell 33 times to 1 as he did heaven. having some mushy incipid lethargic sentimental view of God will not cut it. sorry
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@whiteliketar
1.) I will try to make you understand the atheist concept:
If an Atheist does something that you would consider as sin, you have to understand that he does not see it as sin.
If a fitness coach speaks about eating chocolate as a sin, you don't think so, right?
I know, maybe you think it's not right to compare Christ to a fitness coach, but then you are not ready for a conversation with an atheist, because we think different about religion.
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
2.) If you see Christianity as the only true reigion and never "sin", BUT ignoring older religions and myths, that is hypocracy.
What if you would read about the myth of Ragnarök and somewhere in the middle of the text there would be a passage forbidding you to wear underwear... I think you would smile but never implement it into your own life, right?!
That is how atheists think about your religion, the know it, but they don't think about it while they do something.
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@DrVladUs - whose fault is it that you don't take the time to read the Bible or understand its historicity and the claims of Christ on your life. I am sure you want the sin of Gid to go away so you can carry on in your dark lifestlye . it;s always the dark secret of the atheist - you shoudn't talk about hypocrisy. lol
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1.) "whose fault is it that you don't take the time to read the Bible or understand its historicity and the claims of Christ on your life"
-whose fault is it, that you read only the bible and I read the bible too BUT!!! didn't stop there and read any philosophical book I could find on morality and the meaning of life, books about other religions and books about the myths and legends of other cultures...
Whose fault is it that you know ONLY the bible?!
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
2.) "I am sure you want the sin of Gid to go away so you can carry on in your dark lifestlye"
- one of the biggest gaps in understanding atheism is the concept that you ARE an atheist WITH ONE EXCEPTION!
For muslims it is a sin to eat pork, so if you eat pork, FOR muslims you sin... BUT DO YOU THINK YOU SIN? DO YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT ISLAM WHILE EATING PORK?
Tell me, don't you understand this concept or don't you want to undestand it?
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@DrVladUs - you poor confused atheist - your twisted mind is distorted with relative truth that reigns supreme in all your little 'profound' concepts that you can scheme. all religions can't all be true- there is enough evidence that Christ is the real thing - go read C.S lewis - Mere Christianity and J. Mcdowell - evidence that demands a verdict - and that is only a start - quit reading constant atheist dogma of dawkins , Hitchens and Harris - balance that decimated atheist reasoning
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
"all religions can't all be true"
- but they all can be wrong... is a logical concept.
"there is enough evidence that Christ is the real thing"
- I bet you can't tell me one! )
"go read C.S lewis"
- Haha... funny how religious people love to cry about Harry Potter but ignoring Narnia, in which there are many other Gods... fuck, there is even a hierarchy between them =D
Read first about Lewis' view of christianity, then we can debate on the same level )
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
"J. Mcdowell - evidence that demands a verdict"
- "...three choices as to the figure of Jesus: he was either a liar, a lunatic, or a divine man-god. While the weak-minded might accept this premise without question, an intelligent reader will point out an obvious fourth choice: that the story of Jesus could easily have been embellished by his own followers, who inserted all the trappings of divinity long after Jesus's death." By BeatrixB, Amazon )
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@whiteliketar
3.)
"it;s always the dark secret of the atheist"
- tell me one sin, christianity NEVER did to give some sense to this words...
"less syphillis, hiv/aids . homosexual veneral diseases"
- YOU: Sex only in the marriage, only straight sex = homosexuals have to marry a woman, to have sex... the fact that there is no love and happiness is unimportant.
ME: Contraception!
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@lolololl dark secret of the atheist?LOL Cmon
Wedlockvideos 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
3.) We ignore Christ and his teachings to sin unpunished?
So you want to say that we actually know there is God, but we try to close our eyes like small kids do and think we disappear for him?
You really have to implement this concept into your brain.. we don't think than we sin when we fuck outside of marriage, we fuck and YOU think that we sin.
If you see animals banging each other, you could think they sin, but they don't.
Yeah animals aren't humans, but you see the point.
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@DrVladUs there we go again - it never takes long for the hooligan in the atheist to emerge does it? there is nothing wrong about sex - God invented it - when it is within marriage. if folk like you if would respect God or yourselves for that matter where wrong sexuality is concerned - we would have less syphillis, hiv/aids . homosexual veneral diseases and millions of babies killed and murdered by abortion because sex is treated like your banging animals you described. pity
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4.) "millions of babies killed and murdered by abortion"
- again, you first have to believe in the existence of a soul, to see a small lump of cells as a baby. Most Atheist don't.
It is a proven fact that in pro-life countries there are much more abortions, because pro-life laws go hand in hand with anti-contraception laws.
You know about the Sharia law.. if a woman has sex outside the marriage means stoning and lashes. but even threatening with death doesn't work.
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
5.) "no one respects atheists"
- how many people resect your kind of christianity? Let's say 33% of the world population are christians, split into 3 major groups, so not every christian respects your view. Any other worldview or religion doesn't see your's as THE truth. Many of them share our idea of God )
Let's give you now 10-15% of world population. Do you think all this people share your opinion about religion?
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@DrVladUs the problem is the majority of folks dont trust your kind - they don't have to be christian to judge you - there is something about an atheist that screams - no moral compass - you expect an atheist to do the wrong thing - who can blame you guys - you have brainwashed yourself that you are on the same level as a cockroach or a komodo dragon - go ahead - defend yourself however you choose - that's just way people think about you even though some of are you are decent folk.
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
"the problem is the majority of folks dont trust your kind"
- which majority, world population? If so, you are wrong! If you mean a specific country, I don't care ) Here in Germany, a fundamentalist like you has really bad chances to make friends, same for russia, china, Japan... don't want to mention the places with Buddhism and Hinduism as their main religion )
Now you are left with Christianity... tell me the % of christians who agree with you on Atheism )
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
"moral compass"
- you don't even understand how easy it is to debate with somebody who does not think about his arguments...
The natural moral compass is THE atheistic argument against God's Objective Morality. If you think that murder is bad ONLY because God tells so, you are an immoral person, if you think murder is bad even if God would allow you to kill somebody, you feel the natural moral compass...
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
"you have brainwashed yourself that you are on the same level as a cockroach or a komodo dragon"
- Yes, you know why? Because I am not too proud to accept the scientific evidence.
And what do you mean by the same level? We are all living organism, what else? There is a biological taxonomy, at some branches we are on the same level, on other not... as I said, being not to proud to accept something should be a christian thing, not an atheistic, right?
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
6.) Most of the so called christians, do the same things atheists do, you might call it sin, the only difference is, they believe there is a God.
If you ask them to which religion they belong they tell you their parents are catholics/protestants/orthodox, so they are too.
Or if you ask them if they are jews or muslims they say no smiling and escape in christianity.. this are christians too. You might ignore it, but you won't if they help the "christian statistics".
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@DrVladUs - the problem with the atheist mindset is that it leads to a deadening of the conscience where even unantural acts can be deemed normal after a while - much like the atheist doctor who suctions out the brains of resting babies wiithout so much as batting an eye - it's just normal - one animal killing another animal. that's what you get when you believe you came from a fish and before that - who knows? atheism is the most insidious devilish world view next to Islam.
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
"where even unantural acts can be deemed normal after a while"
- Unnatural? There is a function in the woman's body, that naturally aborts the embryo if there is something wrong with it... there is a natural selfdestructing mechanism in the fetus if there are failures on the genetic level... and you call abortion unnatural ))
Pregnancy termination is done NOT to kill something, it is done to SAVE a woman's life/health or her psychic/social state...
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
"it's just normal - one animal killing another animal."
- this is christian stupidity... do you eat meat? Because this is killing an animal that is maybe 50 times less intelligent that humans, but has a simple form of consciousness...an embryo has only the potential for both, but none of them yet!
If your understanding of morality is to place an lump of cells, biologically not better than a tumor, above adult consious animals, you are a Hypocrite with a very big H.
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@DrVladUs
Don't conflate intelligence with sentience. I suspect that other animals feel pain to the same degree that humans do.
gguilford72 2 weeks ago
@gguilford72
"Don't conflate intelligence with sentience."
- Could you please quote the part where I did that?!
Of course they FEEl the same pain.
If you play the blood violin and you know that you could die, you know what it means to die, you know what your family and friends will feel, you remember the happy times and can imagine what could happen in the future if you would go on with you life.
An animal can't, it thinks about pain like a computer in "0" & "1" where Pain = don't!
DrVladUs 2 weeks ago
@whiteliketar "atheism is the most insidious devilish world view next to Islam." Atheism is not a world view, it just means you don't believe in a god. You seem like a messed up kid, I blame your parents.
aDislikeBot 1 month ago
@aDislikeBot
The fun part always starts when christians tell you that a person that sins can't call himself christian => only good people are christians. But here is the problem, their definition of good is not as for example the law says... no, even thinking about adultery is a sin! What daes that mean?!
It means that 95% of non-fundamentalist christians are sinners, who can't call themselve christian... but for statistics =>"We ALL are christians"! Hypocrits. )
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@whiteliketar
How do you define 'unnatural'?
taz81848 3 weeks ago
@whiteliketar There is no such thing as un-natural. But if there's a God and it is outside of space and time then therefore that God is un-natural.
TBlenx1995 3 weeks ago
@whiteliketar I think you are lost my friend.
There is no god.
At least no god that people can prove.
End of story.
Nanatsaya77 1 month ago
@Nanatsaya77 ha ha - speak for yourself please my deceived comrade. eternity is a long time to spend in the wrong place - sorry
whiteliketar 1 month ago
@whiteliketar Scientifically, there is no such thing as eternity.
There is no wrong place-as you refer to it.
I speak for many people who know better than to believe bronze-age nonsense like you.
Deceived??? By who??
If you compare me to yourself,then i am enlightened and you are deceived.
Just look a little better,you will see the truth.
Nanatsaya77 1 month ago
@Nanatsaya77
"Scientifically, there is no such thing as eternity."
His problem is he does not think in scientific terms )
DrVladUs 1 month ago
@DrVladUs amen!! xD
Nanatsaya77 1 month ago
@DrVladUs I can explain to your what Nanat means when he says that there is no such thing as eternity, but first I must establish that time as we know it is the time in this universe. I assume that you're agreeing at this point. Now I will explain: The Big Bang was the beginning of the universe, and of time itself, so time in this universe (our time) began in the instant of the initial expansion. The universe has existed forever, if you think about it scientifically.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 1 month ago
Well said Matt. I know you have clarified on your show that atheist are not simply hedonistic people who want to be free to 'sin' without fear of retribution, but for some reason, religious people just don't want to believe this.
It's like they see people jumping off the boat, swimming to the nearby shores of reason, leaving them to do the rowing. They are really pissed about that. LOL.
worktosser 1 month ago
The discussion is over?
DrVladUs 2 months ago
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The logic of miket1m:
MIKET: God, I have proof for your existence...
GOD: Oo .. wtf man, do you understand that I was hiding it from humanity to test their Faith, making any evidence disappear and any argument illogical.. and you take the evidence and show it to them -.-
MIKET: Should hide it better next time, my almighty/all-knowing God! ;)
That is how intellectual defensible your proofs are - work great with somebody being arrogant enough to see themself smarter than their own God : )))
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@miket1m
1.
"I want you to research Pragmatism and Existentialism."
- are you an idiot? Do you read my comments?
"Thats what you are being indoctrinated into."
- my parents are religious and still gave me the possibility to make my own desicion what to believe VS you being forced by your milieu to believe in God... do you even understand what incdocrination means?!
"you hold a position based on nothing but simple abstract possibility."
- same for God...
DrVladUs 2 months ago
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Don't give me that idiotic rhetoric about "lack of belief bullshit" Be a man and take a position. There is a God or there is no God? What is it? Do you say there is a God or there is no God?
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2.
"Be a man and take a position."
- Reminds me of a situation when a man told me to be a man and fight him. I said to him, that I won't punch or kick him, but if he attacks me I'll rip his throat and tear hes eyes out. You are like the man, trying to provoke me with this stupid "balls" argument...
Your brain seems not to be able to understand, that the answer "I don't know so I don't take a position" requires much more manhood than believing the thing you LIKE most...
DrVladUs 2 months ago
Can anyone tell me the name of the music being played?
ncdangale112 2 months ago
/watch?v=hCovYF51qHE&feature=channel_video_title
Objective Morality xD
DrVladUs 2 months ago
Free....exactly right...spot on. The moment I realized the bible and everything contained in there was bullshit, I had a deep sense of freedom. It was awesome to feel truly responsible for your own actions, it is empowering to know you can make a difference in your own life and the lives of others. The feeling of being watched 24/7 was exhausting in every way. It was the ultimate self inflicted imprisonment. I am glad to say I no longer think this way.
MATZAMAN76 3 months ago
@MATZAMAN76 Interesting, can you tell me what "bullshit" you found in the Bible? Please don't go to some anti bible no nothing page and start copying and pasting. Tell me what you found in the Bible thats not true. I am going to tell you right now, all of the Bible is 98.7% textually pure and you are wrong with that statement. I'm calling you out, yes, you show me one thing at a time and we will discuss it and I will show you where you are wrong. guarantee it!
miket1m 2 months ago
@miket1m
There is plenty of bullshit to go around in those pages. Start by being intellectually honest and make actual truth the priority over your "faith interpretation". Things to research: 1) How the bible was put together and compare it to recorded history. Alot of BS! 2) Prophecy. (this is the largest area of complete bullshit. Not 1 coherent explanation of any 1 prophecy. For prophecies to be "true" it requires baseless assumptions, wishful thinking and willful ignorance).
MATZAMAN76 2 months ago
@MATZAMAN76 I'm sorry, but I have to tell you, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. I studied the Bible many years. Tell me, if you know, how long did it take to write the Bible and how many authors were there? Do you know that? You're are an ignorant savage. Because you say everything is bullshit doesn't make it so. You are bullshit actually.
miket1m 2 months ago
@miket1m
Sarcasm on: You are right,,,there are NO issues in the bible, prophecy is 100% on, facts, timelines and archaeological evidence is 110% in agreement, no consistency issues, yes, the bible is 100% absolute truth!....Sarcasm off:
I can see that your willful ignorance is strong...good luck with that. No one can help a person that thinks like you. You are dishonest and it shows in your responses. You need an education, not a debate.
MATZAMAN76 2 months ago
That last point was beautiful.
clipsryan 3 months ago
@BrCaSt87 I'll do whatever I want to do tool
miket1m 3 months ago
Why would you need god if you have conscience, you can keep your own scores in your mind.
Allexxx96Reloaded 3 months ago
@DrVladUs I have an idea. Why don't you read Psalm 22 and tell me what you get out of it.
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DrVladUs 3 months ago
@miket1m
"Why don't you read Psalm 22"
I did before, was not as impressive as "Thus Spoke Zarathustra".
Your problem is you look at one book and follow it, what might be cool for you. I had to read the Bible, as a protest I read the Quran. When Later I read many books from christian and muslim and other theologians, ancient and modern philosophers and what was maybe the most impressive, the history of religions.
You have to understand the whole context, all religions and their beginning =)
DrVladUs 3 months ago
@DrVladUs I don't care for your opinion, I just asked you to read and let me know what you thought it was about. Thats all. I don't care if you were impressed with it or not.
Again, I am not talking about theology. We are discussing the existence of God. Is He real or not. Do you get it?
The point I was trying to make was, Psalm 22 was written 800 years before the birth of Christ and 400 years before crucifixion was invented and later perfected by the Romans.
miket1m 3 months ago
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"I don't care for your opinion, I just asked you to read and let me know what you thought it was about."
Dont be so angry, see what contradictory stuff you start to write )
"I don't care if you were impressed with it or not."
"The point I was trying to make was..." and that point did not impress me... what do you want to tell me with this dates? Look at all religions at the same time all over the world, thousands of years before and then try to be impressed...
DrVladUs 3 months ago
@miket1m
You have realy a problem with your own mindset, saying there is proof for God.
If you have proof for something, you do not beliefe anymore, you KNOW!
The point you want to make is what? That all people all over the world are idiots because they ONLY believe?
If the so called proof s that easy to see/understand, why people all over the world still believe? Even theists have faith, not knowledge! Befor you throw around words, learn what they mean.
DrVladUs 3 months ago
@DrVladUs OK then, you're obviously an idiot. You want proof, I offer it and you quickly dismiss it. I'll tell you what I have a problem with. Its idiots like yourself who take such a strong stand on something that is based on nothing but simple abstract possibility.
You know, don't worry God doesn't believe in you either.
This little one sided debate is over. I am not dealing with an egotistical maniac, who probably, had a bad relationship with his father. Idiot!
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m
That's how to destroy a fundamentalist+showing his true character =)
"You want proof, I offer it" => if you go through egyptian pyramids and see the pictures and sculptures of the Gods in/on the walls, is that valid proof for their existence? xD
"and you quickly dismiss it." => should have shown you how weak your proof is =)
"such a strong stand" => was responding to you during coffee break after learning some hours, you call it this stong stand, for me is such a debate relaxing )
DrVladUs 3 months ago
@miket1m
"such a strong stand" => could take your position too and would win vs an atheist, who does not understand his position and throws words, he doesn't even understand, around...
"something that is based on nothing but simple abstract possibility" => this wasn't even high level debate like I had vs. a theology prof. at my university, nobody won, we respected each other, because we knew that such stupid proofs like Cosmologic Argument destroy themself.
DrVladUs 3 months ago
@DrVladUs That might be stupid to you weenie, but its proof nevertheless. That more than I can say for you and your position. " There no proof so I don't believe." You're one step above a savage.
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m
"That might be stupid to you weenie" as I said, true nature of a person, who did not understand his own religion.
And man, I'm walking tall though life without being afraid of something "possible" ;)
"but its proof nevertheless." as I said it is proof relative to my state of faith, I don't care about RELIGIOUS proof, because I do not believe in this special RELIGION, that difficult for you? It's like telling you about proofs of evolution, knowing you will reject it.
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@miket1m
"You're one step above a savage." => me understanding all of your points, responding to all of your question, and being always respectful in the debate makes me a much better person without any faith.
So after calling me an "one step above a savage", what are you then? I know what you are, but knowing, you have surely weapons in the house and couldn't stand up to such critique, it's immoral toward innocent people living in your neighborhood.
DrVladUs 3 months ago
@DrVladUs Respectful. You call a condescending attitude respectful? You're a phoney, that what I think you are.
miket1m 3 months ago
Guys, for me the funniest part is, when miket1m is telling me that he is not discussing about religion here, but only the existence of God himself... and than any of his so called proofs were religious inspired, totally destroying his selfimage of an objective person.
And if there is evidence, why there is still faith in God and NOT knowledge about him?!
And miket1m, where is your non-religious prrof that there is or could be only one God?!
DrVladUs 3 months ago
@DrVladUs Just to let you know, there is a difference between Theology and Theism. You should do some research before you post something.
I guess, thanks to self esteem classes opinions on things you have no knowledge of whatsoever are just important as anyone else's huh?
I have proof, but your condescending attitude which truly shows your stupidity, tell me its not worth the effort. I noticed I didn't see anyone teaming up with you on how stupid you think I am. Wonder why?
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m
"Just to let you know, there is a difference between Theology and Theism."
so you are telling me you are an idiot? Because any time I tell you that I'm an atheist, who dose not BELIEVE in God, you are responding to me as somebody, who KNOWS there is a God.
"didn't see anyone teaming up with you" I didn't ask somebody to team up, because there are like 5-6 people who ar hammering you, and you tell it proofe for my stupidity when I am one of them?! xD Ultimate-Facepalm
DrVladUs 3 months ago
@miket1m
And what are you of a Christian after telling me that the debate is over, offending me and after getting contra, still without insulting you, you came back to say some last wors?!
Did it hurt your =>pride<=? xD
DrVladUs 3 months ago
@DrVladUs Explain how the transcendental argument destroys itself? High level debate? Simple is good. Take your position. Like I said earlier, for one to say there is no God, one would have to have complete and absolute knowledge of the entire universe (omniscience). Since you don't possess this, how do you say there is no God? No evidence? Have you seen all the evidence in the world? I would say no. So again, how do you say there is no God? You can't. Your position "atheist" is illogical.
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m
"You know, don't worry God doesn't believe in you either." => this are moments, when I hope that NOT your religion is right in the end, burning in hell with theists with a "Epic Fail"-Sign on their forehead will make it somewhat comfortable xD
"This little one sided debate is over." => even now you avoided (were afraid of or did not understand) like 70% of my comments xD
"egotistical" => you wanted always answers, never giving me one to my main question xD
DrVladUs 3 months ago
@miket1m
"maniac" => you uploaded a video whit a girl breaking up a weapon saing that this is what small girls should know ;)
"who probably, had a bad relationship with his father" => nice, little Freud-Fanboy, maybe you should read more of his literature, could understand why you have such a problem with people who stand in their life on own two feet without hoping for somebody to guide them through.
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@DrVladUs You can't guide anyone who doesn't want to be guided. You have shown that you are nothing more than just another condescending fool who runs off at the mouth. We both know what your position is all about.
miket1m 3 months ago
@DrVladUs How do you say that is being a maniac? People need to learn to defend themselves against people who follow subjective morals, atheist. What guides you atheist? What set of moral do you base your judgement on?
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m - I just thought I would point out that it has been proved Psalm 22 was altered to fit the Christ story. Google it. Sorry but it is not a prophecy if you say it after an event.
WillShakespeare2007 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007
The Dead Sea scroll known as "Nahal Hever" which was written in 50AD, it clearly says in Hebrew "They have pierced my hands and my feet". This also matches all earlier versions of the Tanach such as the 250BC Septuagint and even the Vulgate texts. A 250BC copy of the Tanach called the "Septuagint" can be seen at wwwdotecmarshdotcom/lxx.This is how it reads in the modern King James, American Standard, English Standard and all other Christian versions of the bible also.
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m - No it reads “Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet.” All scholars now agree this was altered. Look if you really want to believe that this highly disputed couple of words proves the existence of a supernatural power when almost every word of the bible is scientifically, morally and even historically nonsense then anything I say will not change your view.
WillShakespeare2007 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 No you have been misinformed. Don't give me the "All the scholars" bs. Like I said.Thats what it says in the dead sea scrolls. I gave you a link to look it up. The Jews would love for it not to be in there. But it is.
The Bible makes statements that are consistent with Physics, Paleontology, Astronomy, Meteorology, Biology, Anthropology, Hydrology, Geology. There are things in the Bible that science can't explain.
miket1m 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007
1.
Craigie offers this view and says that the “like a lion” rendition “presents numerous problems and can scarcely be correct” (196). Even the very liberal Interpreter’s Bible, which repudiates the passage as being prophetic of the crucifixion of Christ, says that “like a lion” does not make sense in the context (Sclater,120). Brown, et al., represent the term in this fashion: “they have bored (digged, hewn) my hands and my feet” (468).
miket1m 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007
2.
Professor Baigent of the West London Institute of Higher Education suggests that the standard Massorite Hebrew text, reflecting “like a lion,” “seems to be corrupt” (614). Numerous other scholars concur. In addition, the Dead Sea Scrolls, which pre-date the common Hebrew texts by a thousand years, the term clearly is “pierced,” not “lion” (VanderKam / Flint, 124). The ancient versions (translations of the Hebrew text into various languages) overwhelmingly supports pierced
miket1m 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007
3.
In the Septuagint (Greek version), the Syriac, Vulgate, Arabic, and the Ethiopic. One must remember that the Massorite Hebrew text is from the second century A.D., while the Septuagint dates from the third century B.C. There is a very powerful point here, to which Kidner calls attention: “A strong argument in its [”pierced"] favor is that the LXX [Septuagint], compiled two centuries before the crucifixion, and therefore an unbiased witness, understood it so" (107).
miket1m 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007
4.
So much for the assertion that “pierced” is a “fundamentalist Christian” contrivance! There are many many "scholars" who would disagree with you. Noted Bible scholars Jewish and non-Jewish. Many more than you can bring up I assure you. Thats nonsense. Take a look at the rest of the Psalm too. "They cast lots for my clothing" and "My God My God, why hast thou forsaken me" etc. Give it up. You have to be a complete moron not to think this is the most amazing book written.
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m - The usual immediate aggressive tone, the usual Christian behavior from a man that clearly wishes you were out beheading for blasphemy like your Muslim brothers
You then cut and past an entire article from the Christian Courier, any thought of your own I wonder beyond the added aggression?
To be honest you sound just like a "truther" looking for any tiny little shred to back up your belief. Or those that saw signs in Beatles albums that Paul's dead.
Indoctrinated and aggressive.
WillShakespeare2007 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 You're nuts. I don't really care if you believe or not actually. I knew you wouldn't read it so I copied and pasted it. Of course I did. I don't deny it. Like I said, you're nuts. I don't give a damn what you think idiot.
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m - You copied and pasted as you are incapable of thinking for yourself and the only statements you have made for yourself so far are;
1. To call me "an idiot".
2. To say I'm "nuts"
3. "You have to be a complete moron not to think this is the most amazing book written."
4. Don't give me the "All the scholars" bs.
Don't try and pass yourself of as a thinking person via copy and past as you are just rude and aggressive as is revealed above when I quote you not your plagiarism.
WillShakespeare2007 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Wow you're so brilliant. You figured it out, wow. I told you I was copying and pasting moron. You won't take my word for it. I'm tired of communicating with you.
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m - You admitted you were copying and pasting AFTER I pointed it out to you. Of course you are tired of communicating with me as I caught you passing others work off as your own, pulled out your own comments and showed how childish and illiterate they are and humiliated you.
Once you are speaking with your own thoughts you are like a little school kid calling everyone names and getting upset about everything. It's pathetic to be honest.
WillShakespeare2007 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Whatever idiot. Its what the material is saying, thats what counts. It shows you don't know a damn thing you're talking about moron.
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m - Oh look at you talking at your actual level. Everyone is an "idiot" and a "moron". What happened to coherently trying make a point? Oh right that was just copy and paste. You're now like a chimp without his trainer. Let me guess at your next response is it "moron"?
WillShakespeare2007 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Wow are you still going on? Ok you still don't know what you're talking about lol
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m - "Am I still going on" you are the one that commented to me and I simply responded, so how am I the one "still going on". It seems that even basic logic eludes you. Adding abuse to your copied posts has totally exposed you are a ludicrous fraud so why you are still posting I cannot imagine.
WillShakespeare2007 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Basic logic does not elude me. It seems you have no idea what you are talking about. I asked you a simple question. How do you account for the existence of the laws of logic? Aristotle didn't create them, he discovered them but he didn't create them. These laws are absolute.They preexisted man. Man just discovered them. You're not curious as to your inability to account for these transcendent laws of logic?
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m Yes, you are still going on about the Laws of Logic. Yes, Aristotle was the first to voice them. Yes, they are applicable anywhere. No, they do not mean there is a God as they are Self Evident (ie, require no proof or explanation).
One down- Your next proof of God, please.
Scotty29RVC 3 months ago
@miket1m - You are mixing me up with someone else and you didn't mention anything of the kind to me or ask me anything. You copied and pasted an article from a Christian website to prove what you believed to be a prophesy from the bible and added insults to each post.
I would add that you have AGAIN just copied and pasted views from a Christian website in this very comment. You are aware I can take your posts copy them into google and see where you have copied them from?
WillShakespeare2007 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Tell me, oh wise one, where do you parrot your shit from? At least I study something that makes sense. You hold a position which is totally illogical and doesn't make a lick of sense. Let me say this, thou greasy deformed vile worm, there are over three hundred proofs for the existence of God. Does atheism have anything going for it at all? Any evidence which makes you say to yourself, "I am right for holding this position."
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m Please start listing these 300 proofs- we are all dying to hear them!
Scotty29RVC 2 months ago
@Scotty29RVC Look it up yourself, lazy ass. What do I look like your secretary?
miket1m 2 months ago
@miket1m Thanks- found them. Look at Proof 664 "ARGUMENT FROM TERMINOLOGY, a.k.a. ARGUMENT FROM MULTIPLICITY (IV)
(1) There are hundreds of proofs of God's existence.
(2) When you call something a 'proof' that means you have shown the result to be true.
(3) Therefore, God exists."
Wow- These are great!
Are they the right ones?
Scotty29RVC 2 months ago
@Scotty29RVC
/watch?v=PQaM66If5eI&feature=related
there is nothing else to say :))
DrVladUs 2 months ago
@miket1m
I'm at a point where I want to create a new YT-Account, to write you in the name of God, ordering you to kill yourself + instant acces to heaven, without consequences, BUT if you disobey, there is no chance for you to go to heaven.
Would you shoot yourself? Or is there a chance, that you wouldn't believe me? But can you be sure, that I'm not God? What if all that time you was debating with God?!
Do you KNOW for sure I'm not God? If so, where is the evidence?
DrVladUs 3 months ago
@DrVladUs Oh, I see, two strikes against you. One, your from a European country, which most American feel is one step above a 3rd world country.
Two, you're only 21 years old. You can't find your own ass with two hands, a flashlight and a road map at 21 years old. Lets see, so far, all you have done in life is suck up everything for free. Money, bed, heat, food, clothing, all free from your parents. Where have you been in your life, little mind sphincter boy?
miket1m 3 months ago
@miket1m
"Oh, I see, two strikes against you." cool...
"your from a European country, which... is one step above a 3rd world country"
LOL xD... most countries in europe were far above the 3dr world, before America was discovered xD LOL
"..most American feel.." I'm studying with many Americans at my University, and I can tell you, that the smart guys, see not only the stereotypes, which people like you, accept as true reading about something on a propaganda site. !Europe is 1 step..." xD