that shit was years ago theer's already a mosque there hahahaha nobody cares about the 9/11 victims anymore get over it the muslims are gonna be there always and gonna pray there lol
Read "the politically incorrect guide to Islam" the rest of books on islam r watered down and sugared up to attract converts = suckers or to convince gullible people to consider islam as just another misinterpreted peaceful religion. In Seville, Spain, locals stopped construction of another mosque by burying a pig on the site and made sure the news became know to the local media. Islamic law forbids erecting mosques on "pig soiled ground". The Muslims had to cancel the project outright.
People dont understand that muslims feel they have the right to spreed islam all over the world (Their way) . Just look at Europe and UK, they are like the worst cancer ever., once it gets a part of your body will consume your blood along with all of your cells. Like I say they feel they have to do it because they love allah. And the worst part is that americans are blind and appointing so many of them to very sencitive goverment positions that is very scary...
I liked Guiliani on 9/11 and didn't like him so much after that, but I like him again now. He's a reasonable guy, and if he was President I'd support him.
you're making this a war of cultures and its just not. Imam Raouf practises the Sufi form of Islam, and would probably be killed in many countries.
Should they move it? I think they should because of ignorant redneck types that don't know anything about anything, and may even bomb the place if it was built.
@StigRossi You need to look further. Rauf is a practicing muslim, meaning he's lying to conceal his true motives. He's fooled a lot of people, including George Bush. He's telling his fellow Arabs the truth when he goes to the middle east, and lying to Americans. Meanwhile, they are laughing in our faces. I love Rudy.
@fab4bear There was a guy, an academic I think, that wrote a book about the Muslim Exp in America. I forget the name of it, but the guy was on the Daily Show recently.
He took his grad students to Rauf's mosque, and I guess some of theose students were non-Muslim becaus they sed they didnt feel like they went to a mosque because it was so unrigid
To connect Rauf to shady sources is v intellectually dishonest
@StigRossi I've researched Rauf on my own, and I stand by my allegations. BTW, if you're getting your "news" from Comedy Central, who's being intellectually dishonest? It's a friggin' comedy show! I'm just sayin' . . .
I'm sorry I don't understand exactly what is the truth is Rauf telling his fellow arabs when he goes to the Middle East? You wouldn't mind explaining, would you?
@SuperMegaBrick We got off on the wrong foot. I misread your original comment. I thought you were referring to Rudy. My apologies. I can't stand Matt Lauer at all. He makes me want to puke.
Guilani was the federal prosecutor who investigated LT Col Michael Aquino for the systematic sexual abuse of children at Presidio Air Force Base. Aquino formed his own Church of Satan, Temple of Set. Despite overwhelming evidence, including Aquino's request to have his sexual deviancy expunged from his records, which was denied by a different court. Joseph Russoniello was a SF fed judge who was involved in Iran Contra, thwarted the investigation. Then, Guiliani had the case thrown out.
@TheJoeMusashi Obviously neither one of us are going to change the other's opinion. I happen to think Giullani did America proud after 9/11. I love the guy, and I agree whole heartedly with his take on the TRIUMPHANT VICTORY MOSQUE.
@fab4bear Victory mosque? Are you an idiot? The reason people are against this mosque is because they associate muslim with terrorists. They believe it is disrespectful to worship there because the terrorists were muslims. American Muslims were also killed on 9/11. Alquadea is the enemy NOT MUSLIMS!!!!!
@pjmgame Terrorists ARE muslims. The fact they are jihadist terrorists is only part of the reason most people are against it. Read below to see the long history they have of building TRIUMPHANT VICTORY MOSQUES.
Start with:
"Here is a timeline history of TRIUMPHANT VICTORY MOSQUES built through the ages"
The muslim terrorists that drove the planes and carried out there jihad DO NOT COUNT as victims. If there were any others, they were collateral damage, NOT targets. Don't try to pull that crap
@fab4bear TIMOTHY MCVEIGH. A WHITE MAN WHO BLEW UP THE OAKLAHOMA BUILDING IN 1995 YOU FUCKING IDIOT. GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!
@fab4bear TIMOTHY MCVEIGH WAS A WHITE THE MAN WHO BLEW UP THE OAKLAHOMA BUILDING IN 1995 YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!! GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@fab4bear TIMOTHY MCVEIGH WAS A WHITE MAN WHO BLEW UP THE OAKLAHOMA BUILDING IN 1995 YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!!!!! GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!
@pjmgame I know who he was, a crazy fanatic. Hardly comparable to 1.6 MILLION extreme radical muslims who want to KILL Americans, and other infidels. And the vast majority of the other muslims just want to subjugate us under sharia law.
@fab4bear The man was a TERRORIST WHO KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE. HE IS NO DIFFERENT FROM OTHER TERRORISTS. Do you actually think every muslim supports 9/11? NO!!!!!!!! AMERICAN MUSLIMS WERE ALSO KILLED ON 9/11. YOU CAN'T JUDGE AN ENTIRE CULTURE BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF A FEW!!!!!
@pjmgame Of course McVei was a terrorist, but there's a HUGE difference between a couple of crazy guys and 1.6 MILLION like-minded jihadists that want to kill you. Don't be stupid.
@fab4bear Do you actually believe that nearly an entire culture wants us dead? Do you even realize that American Muslims are like you and me? There are A LOT of muslims who are not extremeists. American Muslims, Canadian Muslims, etc. Only the muslims living in Islamic countries are extreme.
@pjmgame Absolutely. It says so in the koran. If there are "moderate" muslims, where are they? Why aren't they getting rid of these jihadists? 1.6 MILLION and growing. Look at Europe, sharia law is taking over there. There are areas in England and France where their own police WON'T go. Don't be so naive.
@fab4bear Have you ever met a muslim in person? Well I have and I can tell you that they are just like you and me. You need to judge people different from one another. There are many muslims who are like you and me.
@fab4bear For you to say that "the vast majority of" ANYONE w/o polling them makes u a fuckin liar. Thats just wrong and you're an idiot for saying it.
I'm not sure what your deal w/ Islam is or where you live. If uv had negative interactions w/ Muslims then I feel bad for you, but I'd advise against letting those color ur perception of an entire religion
Here is a timeline history of TRIUMPHANT VICTORY MOSQUES built through the ages. If you don't believe the Ground Zero is a TRIUMPHANT VICTORY MOSQUE, you are brain dead.
In 634, Rightly Guided Caliph Umar conquered Syria and turned the Christians’ most prominent spot, the Church of Job, famous for being visited by Saint Silva in the fourth century, into the Mosque of Job.
In 637, Caliph Umar conquered Hebron and turned the second-most prominent spot in Judaism, the Cave of the Patriarchs, into the Ibrahimi Mosque. (This was repeated by Saladin in 1188.)
In 638, Muslim generals Amr ibn al-As and Khalid ibn al-Walid conquered Gaza and turned the prominent fifth-century Byzantine church into the Great Mosque of Gaza.
In 638, Caliph Umar conquered Jerusalem. In 691, Caliph Al-Malik ordered the Dome of the Rock built on the most prominent spot in Judaism, the Temple Mount, followed by Caliph Al-Walid building the Al-Aqsa Mosque there in 705.
In 651, Muslims conquered Persia and turned Zoroastrian temples in Bukhara and Istakhr into mosques.
In 706, after Muslims took Damascus from the Byzantine Empire, Caliph Al-Walid turned the prominent Orthodox Church of St. John the Baptist into the Umayyad Mosque.
In 710, Gen. Muhammad bin Qasim conquered Pakistan, defiled the prominent Sun Temple in Multan, which house the great idol “sanam,” and erected a mosque.
In 784, after the conquest of Spain, Emir Abd ar-Rahman turned the prominent Visigothic Christian Church of Saint Vincent into the Great Aljama Mosque of Cordoba.
After the conquest of Egypt, Caliphs al-Mamun (813-833) and al-Hakim (996–1021) turned prominent Coptic Christian churches and Jewish synagogues in Cairo into mosques.
In 831, Muslims conquered Palermo, Sicily, and Asad ibn al-Furat turned the prominent Church of Saint Mary of the Assumption into the Great Mosque of Bal’harm.
In 1193, Muslims conquered Delhi, India, and Qutbuddin Aibak turned the Red Citadel in Dhillika, the most prominent spot of the last Hindu rulers, into the Qutb Minar Mosque.
From 1250-1517, Mamluk Muslims controlled the Golan Heights and used the ancient Synagogue of Katzrin as a mosque.
In 1387, Turkish Muslims conquered Thessaloniki and turned the Katholikon Monastery and the Church of Aghia Sophia, which housed the relics of Saint Gregorios Palamas, into mosques, as Symeon of Thessaloniki recorded:
“The greatest number of the buildings of the churches fell to them, of which the first was the Holy Church of the Savior. … These were trampled underfoot and the infidels rejoiced in them. … Most of the religious buildings in the city were despoiled, while altars were demolished and sacred things profaned.”
On May 29, 1453, Sultan Mehmet II conquered Constantinople and turned the great Byzantine church, Hagia Sophia, into the Ayasofya Mosque.
The largest church in Christendom for a thousand years, the church’s four acres of gold mosaics were covered with whitewash and Quran verses.
In 1458, Sultan Mehmet II conquered Athens and turned the Greeks’ most prominent spot, the Parthenon on Acropolis hill, into a mosque. When Venetian Gen. Francesco Morosini drove the Muslims out in 1687, a cannonball hit the gunpowder stored in the mosque, blowing it up.
In the 15th century, Ottoman invaders turned Saint Clement’s Macedonian Orthodox Monastery in Plaosnik, Balkans, into the Imater Mosque.
From 1519-1858, Muslim Mughal rulers gained control of India and turned over 2,000 Hindu temples into mosques, including demolishing the Temple of Ram Janmabhoomi in Ayodhya, the birthplace of Rama, and replacing it with the Babri Mosque.
India’s Mughal Muslim ruler, Jahangir (1605-1627), wrote in Tujuk-i-Jahangiri:
“At the city of Banaras [was] a temple. … I made it my plea for throwing down the temple … and on the spot, with the very same materials, I erected the great mosque.”
In 1543, Hayreddin Barbarossa’s 30,000 Muslim troops wintered in Toulon, France, and turned the prominent Toulon Cathedral into a mosque.
In 1570, under Sultan Selim II Khan, Muslims conquered Paphos, Cyprus, and Gov. Mehmet Bey Ebubkir turned the prominent Christian church into the Great Mosque of Paphos.
In 1571, Muslims invaded Famagusta, Cyprus, and turned Saint Nicolas Cathedral, a rare Gothic church, into the Lala Mustafa Pasha Mosque, and Saint Sophia Cathedral in Nicosia, constructed in 1228, into the Selimiye Mosque.
In 1588, Sultan Murat III turned the Eastern Orthodox Church of Saint John the Forerunner in Constantinople into the Hirami Ahmet Pasha Mosque.
In 1781, after having conquered the Old City of Acre, Ottoman Muslims turned the Roman Catholic church built by Crusaders into the Jezzar Ahmet Pasha Mosque, where a hair from Muhammad’s beard is preserved.
In 1923, Muslims expelled Greeks from Turkey and turned Orthodox churches into mosques.
In World War II, Nazis allied with Bosnians and turned the prominent Artists’ Gallery Museum in Zagreb, Croatia, into a mosque.
In the 1950s, Muslims expelled Jews from Arab lands and turned synagogues into mosques.
Algerian Muslims warred against French colonial rule till France pulled out in 1962, after which the Cathedral of St. Philippe was turned into the Ketchaoua Mosque. Violence against Jews caused 30,000 to flee and the Great Synagogue of Oran was turned into the Mosque Abdellah Ben Salem.
In 1974, Turkish Muslims invaded northern Cyprus, and prominent Greek Orthodox churches were turned into mosques.
In 1981, Muslim immigrants to the Netherlands converted Amsterdam’s historic Catholic Sint-Ignatiuskerk into the Fatih Mosque, and a synagogue in The Hague into the Aksa Mosque.
On Sept. 11, 2001, Muslim terrorists attacked the most prominent spot in America, the World Trade Center. In less than 10 years, the number of mosques in New York City has skyrocketed to over 140.
It is not about whether or not Muslims have the right to build a mosque there, but whether or not Muslims SHOULD. Guiliani made some good points about this whole thing. Why do muslims insist so strongly about building a mosque here? Let me tell you, througout history, muslims show tendency to build a mosque right on or near a place of their "victory"-Jerusalem, etc. The Hadji Ali Mosque in india was built right infront of a Hindu temple so that whenever Hindus pray they would always see a mosque
I lost my cousin, a Canadian soldier, who volunteered to go to Afghanistan because of 9/11. I feel betrayed by Americans who talk about freedom of religion and their beloved Constitution and then protest against this ISLAMIC CULTURAL CENTER. He died for americans and their just a bunch of hypocrites. If you protest against this site then you don't believe in freedom of religion.
@treasure1072004 I'm very sorry for your loss, sincerely. You miss the point here. We don't care if they build another mosque, but the pure and simple reason this imam rauf continues to insist that this is the ONLY spot for it is a lie, and furthermore, it is a TRIUMPHANT VICTORY MOSQUE. Everyone knows it. WHY do you think it HAS to be at Ground Zero? Build it in Brooklyn, that's where the muslim community lives that it is purportedly going to service.
I hate islam and I hate their false god! I hate what they stand for, I hate what they do to their own people and women. You only have to see islam in action in the middle east to see how peaceful it is! There is an islamic desire to take over the world, and it's not by turning the other cheek! This mosque proposal is a disgrace and I don't even live in the USA!!! Dam allah to hell!
@devonbiker Living in the UK, you've seen more creeping sharia than we in the U.S. have so far. We have a huge majority of people who don't have a clue yet, but more and more are waking up everyday. This Ground Zero TRIUMPHANT VICTORY mosque is doing a lot to make people see just what they are. Still, there are a lot of blind liberals who believe in peaceful co-existence. Unfortunately, the muslims don't believe the same thing. Share with us your experience if you like.
@fab4bear I don't hate muslims just what they believe. I hate what islam stands for and we (the west) are just bending over backwards and giving up our freedoms in order to appease Islam. The UK is full of political correctness it's unbelievable.
Ohh I see now Mr. Guiliani..now you know all about Jihad and EXACTLY what it means.
This project is healing, b/c this project follows and promotes the Constitution of the United States in many ways, and that it builds and strengthens the reputation of our beloved USA simply because it can back up what its existence stands for.
So many freedoms, SO MANY people around the world come to America to enjoy freedom of speech, religion press etc but by denying a mosque, you deny USA's definition
@hihurdler110 Let's see some tolerance from the muslim world. How about allowing a Christian Church to be built in Mecca? Or allow Non-muslims entrance to the city? I didn't think so!
@fab4bear great point!!! Muslims would NEVER allow the US to build a church in ANY of the cities or target ares they bombed. Muslims are the biggest hypocrites..
@fab4bear But I thought we were talking about the US where there is freedom of religion! The US are the hypocrites. Saudi Arabia is not the US....there is no democracy, freedom or Constitution there. Yet they are a huge allie of the US. Why? Oil! Almost all of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, why don't you stop buying their oil instead of lumping all muslims together.
If Muslims would like to do something to strengthen the relationship and discourse between Islam and the USA, they should not build the mosque and instead give the money to a fund to provide college fees for children of the people who died on Sept 11th. I can tell you this will NOT happen because the real objective is to provide another icon to an irrational and inhumane doctrine that does not respect true liberty and free thought!
It's interesting that they always say "because of our foreign policy" and never mention specifics like us funding and training Bin Laden against the Russians in Afghanistan. Did you know that one of the Rambo movies is actually dedicated to our allies the Taliban? I don't completely disagree with Rudy, but I do not think the imam should be blamed for all this conflict. In a perfect world, this wouldn't have even gotten that much press.
@sinmantyx In a perfect world they would have gone to New Yorkers. Explained they wanted to build an interfaith community center, then develop grass roots support and funding from New Yorkers.
Instead this 13 story Islamic monument is thrust upon New Yorkers. They intentionally choose a location for this monument as close as possible to ground zero. Once the uproar begins they to brand and sell it as interfaith community center. That's just disingenuous .
i love how they change the topic to should a mosque be built near ground zero. Very clever. The real question is Who was behind 911? You Tube WTC Collapse and you will see that it is a controlled demolition. Its all lies all the time from our mainstream media. The CIA and Israeli Mossad were behind 911. You Tube WTC Collapse and judge the evidence for yourself.
republicans are making political points through inflaming the situation...amazing what people will do to get on tv and get a vote. these are meant to be our leaders??
@palatiality Yesterday's Liberals are now called "progressives" which equals socialists. Some are more extreme and they are communists. They want the Government to give them everything and take care of them from cradle to grave. When that happens, and obama is doing his best to make it happen SOON, there won't be ANY Freedoms. You won't even be able to speak your mind here. YOU ARE THE IGNORANT ONE. BE GONE!
I agree, they should move it to somewhere more appropriate, like government land like 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW Washington, DC.
It already has a large dome, all it needs is a crescent,is big enough to house plenty of muslims to pray, and of course, the main man, Barak Hussein Obama can be the Imam.
Rudy is still looking at a possible run for President in 2012 by his comments here....he goes pretty far to the right with the comparisons of Auschwitz and Germany, etc....just like Newt Gingrich....pretty nasty, but it will get him that 30% of hardcore right wingers in this country. If he was still mayor he would have never said anything like this, as per his comments in 2002....this is political posturing
@andres91881 at least he has the guts to say building the mosque is insensitive to many Americans unlike Obama who failed to question the wisdom of the decision at Ramadan dinner..
@hayden50 - Hey, I am actually kind of uncomfortable sitting near Muslims because they kind of scare me. I think they should sit in the back of the bus to make me more comfortable, or eat in a different diner. It's not that I am against them or anything, I just want them to have separate water fountains because I'm uncomfortable with them. It's just a sensitivity thing. I know they are regular people, but they just make me nervous and I want them away from me. Does this make a bigot?
@andres91881 you are a typical liberal bogged down in political correctness.we always cater to Muslim sensitivities but tolerance is a one way street for Muslims.please enlighten me on religious freedom in Muslim countries ?would the Japanese build a shrine in pearl harbor? or would anyone build a church near Auschwitz? in-fact a convent was proposed near Auschwitz but it never was built because Christians thought it would be rude & insensitive. Muslims don't give a damn about our sensitivities
@amasuEnd another typical liberal cunt, instead of making a strong argument just bash anyone who oppose your views as "racists".go post your stupid comments somewhere else kiddo !!
Why do we in America care about the level of religious freedom in Muslim countries? We are superior to them in that we don't stoop down to their level. By going to war with Islam and stereotyping Islam in general, you are actually helping terrorists like Al-Queda who want to drag us into a war with all of Islam. It is exactly what they want. By trying to work with moderate Muslims to denounce terror we are hurting Al-Queda. You are an idiot to think otherwise.
Who cares about his antidemocratic thoughts they are irrelevent what is relevent is freedom in a free country.
edwardd6681 5 months ago
NO mosque neat sep/2011 site. My point of view toward Muslims: shoot on site
nguyentuan1990 6 months ago
That idiot Guiliani, and many ignorant Americans, doesn't know anything about Islam and especially what Jihad actually means!
MSH786 6 months ago
@MSH786 Try to convince your load of B.S. to the 3000 dead from the WTC.
fab4bear 6 months ago
How does a mosque or a religion offend people? Wasn't it Al Qaeda responsible that was responsible for 9/11?
BabyBang17datruth 8 months ago
giuliani left two of his wives for a third one and he's talking about FEELINGS??
kikinaka1 9 months ago
that shit was years ago theer's already a mosque there hahahaha nobody cares about the 9/11 victims anymore get over it the muslims are gonna be there always and gonna pray there lol
maocapoeira 10 months ago
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Read "the politically incorrect guide to Islam" the rest of books on islam r watered down and sugared up to attract converts = suckers or to convince gullible people to consider islam as just another misinterpreted peaceful religion. In Seville, Spain, locals stopped construction of another mosque by burying a pig on the site and made sure the news became know to the local media. Islamic law forbids erecting mosques on "pig soiled ground". The Muslims had to cancel the project outright.
jaxlnc 10 months ago
Rudy for PRESIDENT!!
elliotemail 1 year ago
People dont understand that muslims feel they have the right to spreed islam all over the world (Their way) . Just look at Europe and UK, they are like the worst cancer ever., once it gets a part of your body will consume your blood along with all of your cells. Like I say they feel they have to do it because they love allah. And the worst part is that americans are blind and appointing so many of them to very sencitive goverment positions that is very scary...
Rebeca37 1 year ago
I liked Guiliani on 9/11 and didn't like him so much after that, but I like him again now. He's a reasonable guy, and if he was President I'd support him.
StigRossi 1 year ago
you're making this a war of cultures and its just not. Imam Raouf practises the Sufi form of Islam, and would probably be killed in many countries.
Should they move it? I think they should because of ignorant redneck types that don't know anything about anything, and may even bomb the place if it was built.
StigRossi 1 year ago
@StigRossi You need to look further. Rauf is a practicing muslim, meaning he's lying to conceal his true motives. He's fooled a lot of people, including George Bush. He's telling his fellow Arabs the truth when he goes to the middle east, and lying to Americans. Meanwhile, they are laughing in our faces. I love Rudy.
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear There was a guy, an academic I think, that wrote a book about the Muslim Exp in America. I forget the name of it, but the guy was on the Daily Show recently.
He took his grad students to Rauf's mosque, and I guess some of theose students were non-Muslim becaus they sed they didnt feel like they went to a mosque because it was so unrigid
To connect Rauf to shady sources is v intellectually dishonest
StigRossi 1 year ago
@StigRossi I've researched Rauf on my own, and I stand by my allegations. BTW, if you're getting your "news" from Comedy Central, who's being intellectually dishonest? It's a friggin' comedy show! I'm just sayin' . . .
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear
Oh haha, no mate he didn't mention the Ground Zero mosque wen he was on the Daily Show. I read that section of his book at the bookstore.
it is a comedy show, but when they show clips of other actual news shows those aren't fake and are news soo...anyway
StigRossi 1 year ago
@fab4bear
I'm sorry I don't understand exactly what is the truth is Rauf telling his fellow arabs when he goes to the Middle East? You wouldn't mind explaining, would you?
DiscoballHerpes 1 year ago
fab4bear; you a muslim?
SuperMegaBrick 1 year ago
@SuperMegaBrick You need only read my comments to find out where I stand on this issue. If I were a muslim, I'd kill myself.
Are you?
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear Why wouldn't you just switch to a different religion?
ChasingSatanAway 1 year ago
@ChasingSatanAway YEAH, YOU understand faith alright. What a dipshit comment.
fab4bear 1 year ago
Does the interviewer realize how much of a fuckin' spineless cowtowing cocksucker he sounds like?
SuperMegaBrick 1 year ago
@SuperMegaBrick No more than you.
fab4bear 1 year ago
@SuperMegaBrick We got off on the wrong foot. I misread your original comment. I thought you were referring to Rudy. My apologies. I can't stand Matt Lauer at all. He makes me want to puke.
fab4bear 1 year ago
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iMaDeMoN2012 1 year ago
Moderate islam. A great oxymoron. For people down to the ground - simply bullshit.
Tome4kkkk 1 year ago
Guilani was the federal prosecutor who investigated LT Col Michael Aquino for the systematic sexual abuse of children at Presidio Air Force Base. Aquino formed his own Church of Satan, Temple of Set. Despite overwhelming evidence, including Aquino's request to have his sexual deviancy expunged from his records, which was denied by a different court. Joseph Russoniello was a SF fed judge who was involved in Iran Contra, thwarted the investigation. Then, Guiliani had the case thrown out.
Ciaresayton 1 year ago
Fuck you Giuliani, This guy was in on it..
TheJoeMusashi 1 year ago
@TheJoeMusashi You seriously need to get your head checked-out, there's something bad wrong with it.
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear Yeah I know its called the bitter truth..
TheJoeMusashi 1 year ago
@TheJoeMusashi Obviously neither one of us are going to change the other's opinion. I happen to think Giullani did America proud after 9/11. I love the guy, and I agree whole heartedly with his take on the TRIUMPHANT VICTORY MOSQUE.
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear Victory mosque? Are you an idiot? The reason people are against this mosque is because they associate muslim with terrorists. They believe it is disrespectful to worship there because the terrorists were muslims. American Muslims were also killed on 9/11. Alquadea is the enemy NOT MUSLIMS!!!!!
pjmgame 1 year ago
@pjmgame Terrorists ARE muslims. The fact they are jihadist terrorists is only part of the reason most people are against it. Read below to see the long history they have of building TRIUMPHANT VICTORY MOSQUES.
Start with:
"Here is a timeline history of TRIUMPHANT VICTORY MOSQUES built through the ages"
The muslim terrorists that drove the planes and carried out there jihad DO NOT COUNT as victims. If there were any others, they were collateral damage, NOT targets. Don't try to pull that crap
fab4bear 1 year ago
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@fab4bear TIMOTHY MCVEIGH. A WHITE MAN WHO BLEW UP THE OAKLAHOMA BUILDING IN 1995 YOU FUCKING IDIOT. GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!
pjmgame 1 year ago
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@fab4bear TIMOTHY MCVEIGH WAS A WHITE THE MAN WHO BLEW UP THE OAKLAHOMA BUILDING IN 1995 YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!! GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pjmgame 1 year ago
@fab4bear TIMOTHY MCVEIGH WAS A WHITE MAN WHO BLEW UP THE OAKLAHOMA BUILDING IN 1995 YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!!!!! GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!
pjmgame 1 year ago
@pjmgame I know who he was, a crazy fanatic. Hardly comparable to 1.6 MILLION extreme radical muslims who want to KILL Americans, and other infidels. And the vast majority of the other muslims just want to subjugate us under sharia law.
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear The man was a TERRORIST WHO KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE. HE IS NO DIFFERENT FROM OTHER TERRORISTS. Do you actually think every muslim supports 9/11? NO!!!!!!!! AMERICAN MUSLIMS WERE ALSO KILLED ON 9/11. YOU CAN'T JUDGE AN ENTIRE CULTURE BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF A FEW!!!!!
pjmgame 1 year ago
@pjmgame Of course McVei was a terrorist, but there's a HUGE difference between a couple of crazy guys and 1.6 MILLION like-minded jihadists that want to kill you. Don't be stupid.
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear Do you actually believe that nearly an entire culture wants us dead? Do you even realize that American Muslims are like you and me? There are A LOT of muslims who are not extremeists. American Muslims, Canadian Muslims, etc. Only the muslims living in Islamic countries are extreme.
pjmgame 1 year ago
@pjmgame Absolutely. It says so in the koran. If there are "moderate" muslims, where are they? Why aren't they getting rid of these jihadists? 1.6 MILLION and growing. Look at Europe, sharia law is taking over there. There are areas in England and France where their own police WON'T go. Don't be so naive.
fab4bear 1 year ago
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@fab4bear Have you ever met a muslim in person? Well I have and I can tell you that they are just like you and me. You need to judge people different from one another. There are many muslims who are like you and me.
pjmgame 1 year ago
@fab4bear For you to say that "the vast majority of" ANYONE w/o polling them makes u a fuckin liar. Thats just wrong and you're an idiot for saying it.
I'm not sure what your deal w/ Islam is or where you live. If uv had negative interactions w/ Muslims then I feel bad for you, but I'd advise against letting those color ur perception of an entire religion
StigRossi 1 year ago
i hate matt lauer
MrSocrates513 1 year ago
Here is a timeline history of TRIUMPHANT VICTORY MOSQUES built through the ages. If you don't believe the Ground Zero is a TRIUMPHANT VICTORY MOSQUE, you are brain dead.
fab4bear 1 year ago
In 630, Muhammad led 10,000 Muslim soldiers into Mecca and turned the pagans’ most prominent spot, the Ka’aba, into the Masjid al-Haram Mosque.
fab4bear 1 year ago
In 634, Rightly Guided Caliph Umar conquered Syria and turned the Christians’ most prominent spot, the Church of Job, famous for being visited by Saint Silva in the fourth century, into the Mosque of Job.
In 637, Caliph Umar conquered Hebron and turned the second-most prominent spot in Judaism, the Cave of the Patriarchs, into the Ibrahimi Mosque. (This was repeated by Saladin in 1188.)
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In 638, Muslim generals Amr ibn al-As and Khalid ibn al-Walid conquered Gaza and turned the prominent fifth-century Byzantine church into the Great Mosque of Gaza.
In 638, Caliph Umar conquered Jerusalem. In 691, Caliph Al-Malik ordered the Dome of the Rock built on the most prominent spot in Judaism, the Temple Mount, followed by Caliph Al-Walid building the Al-Aqsa Mosque there in 705.
In 651, Muslims conquered Persia and turned Zoroastrian temples in Bukhara and Istakhr into mosques.
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In 706, after Muslims took Damascus from the Byzantine Empire, Caliph Al-Walid turned the prominent Orthodox Church of St. John the Baptist into the Umayyad Mosque.
In 710, Gen. Muhammad bin Qasim conquered Pakistan, defiled the prominent Sun Temple in Multan, which house the great idol “sanam,” and erected a mosque.
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In 784, after the conquest of Spain, Emir Abd ar-Rahman turned the prominent Visigothic Christian Church of Saint Vincent into the Great Aljama Mosque of Cordoba.
After the conquest of Egypt, Caliphs al-Mamun (813-833) and al-Hakim (996–1021) turned prominent Coptic Christian churches and Jewish synagogues in Cairo into mosques.
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In 831, Muslims conquered Palermo, Sicily, and Asad ibn al-Furat turned the prominent Church of Saint Mary of the Assumption into the Great Mosque of Bal’harm.
In 1193, Muslims conquered Delhi, India, and Qutbuddin Aibak turned the Red Citadel in Dhillika, the most prominent spot of the last Hindu rulers, into the Qutb Minar Mosque.
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From 1250-1517, Mamluk Muslims controlled the Golan Heights and used the ancient Synagogue of Katzrin as a mosque.
In 1387, Turkish Muslims conquered Thessaloniki and turned the Katholikon Monastery and the Church of Aghia Sophia, which housed the relics of Saint Gregorios Palamas, into mosques, as Symeon of Thessaloniki recorded:
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“The greatest number of the buildings of the churches fell to them, of which the first was the Holy Church of the Savior. … These were trampled underfoot and the infidels rejoiced in them. … Most of the religious buildings in the city were despoiled, while altars were demolished and sacred things profaned.”
On May 29, 1453, Sultan Mehmet II conquered Constantinople and turned the great Byzantine church, Hagia Sophia, into the Ayasofya Mosque.
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The largest church in Christendom for a thousand years, the church’s four acres of gold mosaics were covered with whitewash and Quran verses.
In 1458, Sultan Mehmet II conquered Athens and turned the Greeks’ most prominent spot, the Parthenon on Acropolis hill, into a mosque. When Venetian Gen. Francesco Morosini drove the Muslims out in 1687, a cannonball hit the gunpowder stored in the mosque, blowing it up.
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In the 15th century, Ottoman invaders turned Saint Clement’s Macedonian Orthodox Monastery in Plaosnik, Balkans, into the Imater Mosque.
From 1519-1858, Muslim Mughal rulers gained control of India and turned over 2,000 Hindu temples into mosques, including demolishing the Temple of Ram Janmabhoomi in Ayodhya, the birthplace of Rama, and replacing it with the Babri Mosque.
India’s Mughal Muslim ruler, Jahangir (1605-1627), wrote in Tujuk-i-Jahangiri:
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“At the city of Banaras [was] a temple. … I made it my plea for throwing down the temple … and on the spot, with the very same materials, I erected the great mosque.”
In 1543, Hayreddin Barbarossa’s 30,000 Muslim troops wintered in Toulon, France, and turned the prominent Toulon Cathedral into a mosque.
In 1570, under Sultan Selim II Khan, Muslims conquered Paphos, Cyprus, and Gov. Mehmet Bey Ebubkir turned the prominent Christian church into the Great Mosque of Paphos.
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In 1571, Muslims invaded Famagusta, Cyprus, and turned Saint Nicolas Cathedral, a rare Gothic church, into the Lala Mustafa Pasha Mosque, and Saint Sophia Cathedral in Nicosia, constructed in 1228, into the Selimiye Mosque.
In 1588, Sultan Murat III turned the Eastern Orthodox Church of Saint John the Forerunner in Constantinople into the Hirami Ahmet Pasha Mosque.
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In 1781, after having conquered the Old City of Acre, Ottoman Muslims turned the Roman Catholic church built by Crusaders into the Jezzar Ahmet Pasha Mosque, where a hair from Muhammad’s beard is preserved.
In 1923, Muslims expelled Greeks from Turkey and turned Orthodox churches into mosques.
In World War II, Nazis allied with Bosnians and turned the prominent Artists’ Gallery Museum in Zagreb, Croatia, into a mosque.
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In the 1950s, Muslims expelled Jews from Arab lands and turned synagogues into mosques.
Algerian Muslims warred against French colonial rule till France pulled out in 1962, after which the Cathedral of St. Philippe was turned into the Ketchaoua Mosque. Violence against Jews caused 30,000 to flee and the Great Synagogue of Oran was turned into the Mosque Abdellah Ben Salem.
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In 1974, Turkish Muslims invaded northern Cyprus, and prominent Greek Orthodox churches were turned into mosques.
In 1981, Muslim immigrants to the Netherlands converted Amsterdam’s historic Catholic Sint-Ignatiuskerk into the Fatih Mosque, and a synagogue in The Hague into the Aksa Mosque.
On Sept. 11, 2001, Muslim terrorists attacked the most prominent spot in America, the World Trade Center. In less than 10 years, the number of mosques in New York City has skyrocketed to over 140.
fab4bear 1 year ago
It is not about whether or not Muslims have the right to build a mosque there, but whether or not Muslims SHOULD. Guiliani made some good points about this whole thing. Why do muslims insist so strongly about building a mosque here? Let me tell you, througout history, muslims show tendency to build a mosque right on or near a place of their "victory"-Jerusalem, etc. The Hadji Ali Mosque in india was built right infront of a Hindu temple so that whenever Hindus pray they would always see a mosque
randomchampion 1 year ago
I lost my cousin, a Canadian soldier, who volunteered to go to Afghanistan because of 9/11. I feel betrayed by Americans who talk about freedom of religion and their beloved Constitution and then protest against this ISLAMIC CULTURAL CENTER. He died for americans and their just a bunch of hypocrites. If you protest against this site then you don't believe in freedom of religion.
treasure1072004 1 year ago
@treasure1072004 I'm very sorry for your loss, sincerely. You miss the point here. We don't care if they build another mosque, but the pure and simple reason this imam rauf continues to insist that this is the ONLY spot for it is a lie, and furthermore, it is a TRIUMPHANT VICTORY MOSQUE. Everyone knows it. WHY do you think it HAS to be at Ground Zero? Build it in Brooklyn, that's where the muslim community lives that it is purportedly going to service.
fab4bear 1 year ago
I hate islam and I hate their false god! I hate what they stand for, I hate what they do to their own people and women. You only have to see islam in action in the middle east to see how peaceful it is! There is an islamic desire to take over the world, and it's not by turning the other cheek! This mosque proposal is a disgrace and I don't even live in the USA!!! Dam allah to hell!
devonbiker 1 year ago
@devonbiker Living in the UK, you've seen more creeping sharia than we in the U.S. have so far. We have a huge majority of people who don't have a clue yet, but more and more are waking up everyday. This Ground Zero TRIUMPHANT VICTORY mosque is doing a lot to make people see just what they are. Still, there are a lot of blind liberals who believe in peaceful co-existence. Unfortunately, the muslims don't believe the same thing. Share with us your experience if you like.
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear I don't hate muslims just what they believe. I hate what islam stands for and we (the west) are just bending over backwards and giving up our freedoms in order to appease Islam. The UK is full of political correctness it's unbelievable.
devonbiker 1 year ago
Ohh I see now Mr. Guiliani..now you know all about Jihad and EXACTLY what it means.
This project is healing, b/c this project follows and promotes the Constitution of the United States in many ways, and that it builds and strengthens the reputation of our beloved USA simply because it can back up what its existence stands for.
So many freedoms, SO MANY people around the world come to America to enjoy freedom of speech, religion press etc but by denying a mosque, you deny USA's definition
hihurdler110 1 year ago
@hihurdler110 Let's see some tolerance from the muslim world. How about allowing a Christian Church to be built in Mecca? Or allow Non-muslims entrance to the city? I didn't think so!
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear great point!!! Muslims would NEVER allow the US to build a church in ANY of the cities or target ares they bombed. Muslims are the biggest hypocrites..
Kubota71 1 year ago
@Kubota71 Yeah so we shud go down to their level
StigRossi 1 year ago
@fab4bear But I thought we were talking about the US where there is freedom of religion! The US are the hypocrites. Saudi Arabia is not the US....there is no democracy, freedom or Constitution there. Yet they are a huge allie of the US. Why? Oil! Almost all of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, why don't you stop buying their oil instead of lumping all muslims together.
treasure1072004 1 year ago
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If Muslims would like to do something to strengthen the relationship and discourse between Islam and the USA, they should not build the mosque and instead give the money to a fund to provide college fees for children of the people who died on Sept 11th. I can tell you this will NOT happen because the real objective is to provide another icon to an irrational and inhumane doctrine that does not respect true liberty and free thought!
RATIONALMIND001 1 year ago
It's interesting that they always say "because of our foreign policy" and never mention specifics like us funding and training Bin Laden against the Russians in Afghanistan. Did you know that one of the Rambo movies is actually dedicated to our allies the Taliban? I don't completely disagree with Rudy, but I do not think the imam should be blamed for all this conflict. In a perfect world, this wouldn't have even gotten that much press.
sinmantyx 1 year ago
@sinmantyx In a perfect world they would have gone to New Yorkers. Explained they wanted to build an interfaith community center, then develop grass roots support and funding from New Yorkers.
Instead this 13 story Islamic monument is thrust upon New Yorkers. They intentionally choose a location for this monument as close as possible to ground zero. Once the uproar begins they to brand and sell it as interfaith community center. That's just disingenuous .
iMaDeMoN2012 1 year ago
OMG!! I may have to cut my own tongue out for saying this, but here goes.
I absolutely agree with every word Rudy Giuliani just said.
ick..Now I feel all dirty.
nanerrat 1 year ago
@nanerrat Pat yourself on the back for seeing the truth as the truth. No shame in standing up for the truth.
fab4bear 1 year ago
Matt Lauer can suck it.
robman419 1 year ago
i love how they change the topic to should a mosque be built near ground zero. Very clever. The real question is Who was behind 911? You Tube WTC Collapse and you will see that it is a controlled demolition. Its all lies all the time from our mainstream media. The CIA and Israeli Mossad were behind 911. You Tube WTC Collapse and judge the evidence for yourself.
GREG7289 1 year ago
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@GREG7289 Go put your tin foil hat back on. Those 9/11 conspiracy theories have been debunked.
jamessk82001 1 year ago
republicans are making political points through inflaming the situation...amazing what people will do to get on tv and get a vote. these are meant to be our leaders??
jimijackson 1 year ago
@palatiality Yesterday's Liberals are now called "progressives" which equals socialists. Some are more extreme and they are communists. They want the Government to give them everything and take care of them from cradle to grave. When that happens, and obama is doing his best to make it happen SOON, there won't be ANY Freedoms. You won't even be able to speak your mind here. YOU ARE THE IGNORANT ONE. BE GONE!
fab4bear 1 year ago
Matt Lauer is an ignorant flaming liberal
BT3701 1 year ago
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I agree, they should move it to somewhere more appropriate, like government land like 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW Washington, DC.
It already has a large dome, all it needs is a crescent,is big enough to house plenty of muslims to pray, and of course, the main man, Barak Hussein Obama can be the Imam.
Jewliani can perform the opening ceremony.
kmcan2008 1 year ago
Rudy is still looking at a possible run for President in 2012 by his comments here....he goes pretty far to the right with the comparisons of Auschwitz and Germany, etc....just like Newt Gingrich....pretty nasty, but it will get him that 30% of hardcore right wingers in this country. If he was still mayor he would have never said anything like this, as per his comments in 2002....this is political posturing
andres91881 1 year ago
@andres91881 at least he has the guts to say building the mosque is insensitive to many Americans unlike Obama who failed to question the wisdom of the decision at Ramadan dinner..
hayden50 1 year ago
@hayden50 - Hey, I am actually kind of uncomfortable sitting near Muslims because they kind of scare me. I think they should sit in the back of the bus to make me more comfortable, or eat in a different diner. It's not that I am against them or anything, I just want them to have separate water fountains because I'm uncomfortable with them. It's just a sensitivity thing. I know they are regular people, but they just make me nervous and I want them away from me. Does this make a bigot?
andres91881 1 year ago
@andres91881 you are a typical liberal bogged down in political correctness.we always cater to Muslim sensitivities but tolerance is a one way street for Muslims.please enlighten me on religious freedom in Muslim countries ?would the Japanese build a shrine in pearl harbor? or would anyone build a church near Auschwitz? in-fact a convent was proposed near Auschwitz but it never was built because Christians thought it would be rude & insensitive. Muslims don't give a damn about our sensitivities
hayden50 1 year ago
@hayden50 Oh shut uo'p you racist. I bet you would deport muslims if you had the authority and the support. Doushebag
amasuEnd 1 year ago
@amasuEnd another typical liberal cunt, instead of making a strong argument just bash anyone who oppose your views as "racists".go post your stupid comments somewhere else kiddo !!
hayden50 1 year ago
@hayden50 Oh did i hit a soft spot? Sorry racist! i just call it how i see it!
amasuEnd 1 year ago
Why do we in America care about the level of religious freedom in Muslim countries? We are superior to them in that we don't stoop down to their level. By going to war with Islam and stereotyping Islam in general, you are actually helping terrorists like Al-Queda who want to drag us into a war with all of Islam. It is exactly what they want. By trying to work with moderate Muslims to denounce terror we are hurting Al-Queda. You are an idiot to think otherwise.
andres91881 1 year ago
A: should you build it?
B: yea I think I will
A: I am offended and disappointed.
B: okay then, anyways, construction starts tomorrow, bye bye now.
There you go.
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