Babies are generalized theists. Modern science has shown that babies have an expectation of intelligent causation. If a ball rolls by, they look to see who rolled it. Their whole world seems controlled by intelligent beings. They have to learn that some things aren't so controlled. They start off generalized theists. They assume an intelligence is responsible for everything.
Here's the relevance, Ben. A baby starts out "blank." You've got to deluge them with GARBAGE, dip them in shit, scare the hell out of them, and INDOCTRINATE them, to turn them into theist. You have to ABUSE them into religion.
@indignant99 That's not explaining its relevance as much as it is simply further elaborating on the point that babies have no meaningful default position.
@Shazbotben I think you're correct, they're argueing the wrong points. I would suggest that God creates babies that way on purpose. We are to choose to believe and follow, as His greatest gift to us is free-will. He gave us the right to not believe ... I've been in both places and I know where I belong now ... I hope I never doubt again!
@TheChangeVlog Personally, I don't see anything wrong with having doubts. I don't think I have necessarily chosen my position as a nonbeliever, however.
But your perspective seems to be more theologically sound than that of those who claim babies are born with a belief in God. If it were innate, what would be the point of baptism or confirmation?
@indignant99--- Babies don't start out "blank". Science has shown that babies are afraid of loud noises, they don't have to be taught that, they are afraid of the first one they ever hear. Some minority of babies have a racial memory of spiders and react negatively when shown a depiction of a spider. babies are born with certain expectations and assumptions innately. Not all loud noises are bad or dangerous, but we have to learn that.
@indignant99 -- Note that religion and theism are two completely different subjects. Babies obviously don't have enough knowledge to have a religion. But they do have a thought process and viewpoint that better corresponds to theism than to atheism.
@indignant99 That is so far from the truth its disturbing. I grew up in a house with no weekly services, no nightly prayer times, scarcely a mention of God or religous structure. In my late teens I began searching for something in life. In my early 20's I first established a relationship with Christ. It wasn't through deception, abuse, fear or any other ill manner, but through love, compassion and the grace of God. I'm sorry for whatever horrible experience you must have had, I really am.
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Babies are generalized theists. Modern science has shown that babies have an expectation of intelligent causation. If a ball rolls by, they look to see who rolled it. Their whole world seems controlled by intelligent beings. They have to learn that some things aren't so controlled. They start off generalized theists. They assume an intelligence is responsible for everything.
74BobLilly 7 months ago
Here's the relevance, Ben. A baby starts out "blank." You've got to deluge them with GARBAGE, dip them in shit, scare the hell out of them, and INDOCTRINATE them, to turn them into theist. You have to ABUSE them into religion.
indignant99 7 months ago
@indignant99 That's not explaining its relevance as much as it is simply further elaborating on the point that babies have no meaningful default position.
Shazbotben 7 months ago
@Shazbotben I think you're correct, they're argueing the wrong points. I would suggest that God creates babies that way on purpose. We are to choose to believe and follow, as His greatest gift to us is free-will. He gave us the right to not believe ... I've been in both places and I know where I belong now ... I hope I never doubt again!
TheChangeVlog 7 months ago
@TheChangeVlog Personally, I don't see anything wrong with having doubts. I don't think I have necessarily chosen my position as a nonbeliever, however.
But your perspective seems to be more theologically sound than that of those who claim babies are born with a belief in God. If it were innate, what would be the point of baptism or confirmation?
Shazbotben 7 months ago
@indignant99--- Babies don't start out "blank". Science has shown that babies are afraid of loud noises, they don't have to be taught that, they are afraid of the first one they ever hear. Some minority of babies have a racial memory of spiders and react negatively when shown a depiction of a spider. babies are born with certain expectations and assumptions innately. Not all loud noises are bad or dangerous, but we have to learn that.
74BobLilly 7 months ago
@74BobLilly Obviously, I meant "blank" regarding religion.
indignant99 7 months ago
@indignant99 -- Note that religion and theism are two completely different subjects. Babies obviously don't have enough knowledge to have a religion. But they do have a thought process and viewpoint that better corresponds to theism than to atheism.
74BobLilly 7 months ago
@indignant99 That is so far from the truth its disturbing. I grew up in a house with no weekly services, no nightly prayer times, scarcely a mention of God or religous structure. In my late teens I began searching for something in life. In my early 20's I first established a relationship with Christ. It wasn't through deception, abuse, fear or any other ill manner, but through love, compassion and the grace of God. I'm sorry for whatever horrible experience you must have had, I really am.
TheChangeVlog 7 months ago
Good to see a video from you! Good response!
MrRepzion 7 months ago
@MrRepzion Thanks, man! I'm trying to be more active on youtube again. It's rather therapeutic.
Shazbotben 7 months ago