I don't understand what rights you think conservatives seek to deny you. The only thing I can think of that a lot of conservatives are against based on religion is gay marriage.
I am a Christian Conservative. I believe in the Constitution. The 1st Amendment prohibits any law respecting a certain religion. Therefore I believe that the government should not involve itself in marriage and let institutions that perform marriages (churches, courts) decide whether or not they perform gay marriages.
@Jake8963 There are things called "Civil Unions" which are "legally recognized unions similar to marriage."
It also falls that there are rights available to people, and if a religion disagrees with it, then they are encroaching on the rights of those individuals, and thus the government will get involved. Of these rights, I (among others) consider Marriage to be one. Courts are also part of the government, although at local, county, state, and federal levels respectively.
@keiryuujin Oh yeah, I didn't think about courts being part of the government. I guess I would say the decision to perform the marriage would be left up to the minister/whoever that's actually performing the marriage.
Oh, and for the record, there is no separation of church and state in the Constitution. That is an invention of the SCOTUS, who overstepped their bounds and legislated from the bench, usurping the legislatures.
@TruckyNiggets Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Which means that the government will not play favorites with any particular religion, setting one up above all others.
@keiryuujin It means the government will not pass any law "respecting an establishment of religion," which means there would be no official church of the USA, like the Church of England. It did not, and does not, mean that religion and government are mutually exclusive. Your assertion that it means government will not "play favorites" shows you have done little to no research on what the framers actually had to say an on the Constitution.
@TruckyNiggets Actually, it does mean that without an establishment of a particular religion was what the founding fathers had in mind. Deists rather than full ranged theists, the founding fathers wanted the freedom to practice and "offer no religious test to take public office," a Constitutional right that several states still violate today.
Several of the founding fathers have expressed the intent of America to be a secular rather than religious country. Treaty of Tripoli, Art 11.
@keiryuujin Article 11 is an act of a government with no established state religion, meaning our government had no intent on subverting Islam. Again, your "interpretation" of documents highly suspect.
Some of the founders were Deists, but many were also Christian, as witnessed by the several state constitutions. For every one Deist source you will find ten Christian (roughly).
the funny thing about Fox is that their news is all conservative and stuff when their entertainment programming is so liberal. The only TV show I watched that made conservatives look good was King of the Hill, and even then the main character was barely conservative, almost totally in the middle. While the ultra liberals and ultra conservatives were both made to look stupid...and rightfully so...I guess that was a pretty good show.
I don't understand what rights you think conservatives seek to deny you. The only thing I can think of that a lot of conservatives are against based on religion is gay marriage.
I am a Christian Conservative. I believe in the Constitution. The 1st Amendment prohibits any law respecting a certain religion. Therefore I believe that the government should not involve itself in marriage and let institutions that perform marriages (churches, courts) decide whether or not they perform gay marriages.
Jake8963 1 year ago
@Jake8963 There are things called "Civil Unions" which are "legally recognized unions similar to marriage."
It also falls that there are rights available to people, and if a religion disagrees with it, then they are encroaching on the rights of those individuals, and thus the government will get involved. Of these rights, I (among others) consider Marriage to be one. Courts are also part of the government, although at local, county, state, and federal levels respectively.
keiryuujin 1 year ago
@keiryuujin Oh yeah, I didn't think about courts being part of the government. I guess I would say the decision to perform the marriage would be left up to the minister/whoever that's actually performing the marriage.
Jake8963 1 year ago
Nice regurgitation of liberal talking points.
Oh, and for the record, there is no separation of church and state in the Constitution. That is an invention of the SCOTUS, who overstepped their bounds and legislated from the bench, usurping the legislatures.
The Constitution, you should read it sometime.
TruckyNiggets 1 year ago
@TruckyNiggets Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Which means that the government will not play favorites with any particular religion, setting one up above all others.
I suggest YOU re-read it.
keiryuujin 1 year ago
@keiryuujin It means the government will not pass any law "respecting an establishment of religion," which means there would be no official church of the USA, like the Church of England. It did not, and does not, mean that religion and government are mutually exclusive. Your assertion that it means government will not "play favorites" shows you have done little to no research on what the framers actually had to say an on the Constitution.
TruckyNiggets 1 year ago
@TruckyNiggets Actually, it does mean that without an establishment of a particular religion was what the founding fathers had in mind. Deists rather than full ranged theists, the founding fathers wanted the freedom to practice and "offer no religious test to take public office," a Constitutional right that several states still violate today.
Several of the founding fathers have expressed the intent of America to be a secular rather than religious country. Treaty of Tripoli, Art 11.
keiryuujin 1 year ago
@keiryuujin Article 11 is an act of a government with no established state religion, meaning our government had no intent on subverting Islam. Again, your "interpretation" of documents highly suspect.
Some of the founders were Deists, but many were also Christian, as witnessed by the several state constitutions. For every one Deist source you will find ten Christian (roughly).
TruckyNiggets 1 year ago
Heh, do you recall my statements regarding patriotism on Stickham the other night?
magx01 2 years ago
the funny thing about Fox is that their news is all conservative and stuff when their entertainment programming is so liberal. The only TV show I watched that made conservatives look good was King of the Hill, and even then the main character was barely conservative, almost totally in the middle. While the ultra liberals and ultra conservatives were both made to look stupid...and rightfully so...I guess that was a pretty good show.
wakeangel2001 2 years ago
I'm not a conservative because I think.
wagzetsu 2 years ago 2