It was indeed counter-productive to not make use of the advantage in range that the Baker Rifle offered over the French charloville muskets. However, it did occur. Much of the fighting at Vitoria, particularly the opening stages of the battle, were fought using cold steel. Mark Urbans 'Rifles', ammoungst other books, gives some great examples.
It isn't a musket: it's a rifle... The fact is it has rifling in the barrel whereas a musket doesn't. It's an important difference as you can't hit the proverbial barn door with a musket whereas a rifle is more accurate
In the Richard Sharpe series by Bernard Cornwell, which is all I know about this, The bayonets were used also when the soldiers formed a hollow square to ward of cavalry charges. So the bayonets had to be long enough to discourage horses from charging the lines, which they did very efficiently. Horses are smarter than people. The hollow square was a brilliant millitary tactic for foot soldiers as a defensive maneuver.
Thats with the muskets because if ya compare the two, muskets are long smooth bore barrelled while baker rifles were short but rifled (so no need for length) so you gta compensate the length somehow to beat a chap with a musket with bayonet :P plus there useful for melee combat if attacked and cant reload since they take lnoger than muskets
The baker rifle, as you said was short and rifled for accuracy where as the musket was smoothbore. the tearm "fix swords" came from the rifle regiments being the only soldiers to carry "sword bayonets", these being longer then the average bayonet and they alsohave a handle, making them able as a melee or hand help weapon, normal bayonets did not have this :)
First of all it's not, and that's not the reason why they made it that long... The reason for it's length was for an increase of accuracy and rifling capability. Also They had shorter muskets for cavalry and artillery to defend themselves. And the bayonet was hardly a concern when they developed it. The musket, which i presume you are talking about, what an infantry rifle, and was made only for infantry, which experienced the most combat.
the reason for the baker bayonet being so long was to enable riflemen and redcoats to form square together, when a brown bess is next to a baker and they both have bayonets fixed they are of equal length
The manual of arms for rifles used the sword bayonet. The sword bayonet became popular between napoleonic war till well after the Crimean war. The sword bayonet has the command, of fix swords. It is actually a bayonet, but its more like dagger like as you can see. Also its a tad more dangerous in the business end than a plain bayonet
In the rifles it is a "sword bayonet" the reason for it being so long was to compensate for the baker rifle being short. this meant that a baker rifle next to a brown bess with both bayonets fixed are equal length, allowing them to form square
And the historic rifle units of the British Army, while they now use the same standard weapons as the line regiments, still refer to their bayonets as "swords" for this reason.
Not just funny. It was really handy. Because of the slow load of the rifle you needed a sword bayonet. Or if the rifle became fouled with powder residue youd need a weapon like the sword bayonet. It had the advantage of a handle whilst other bayonets didnt making it really good.
I must say that this video is very good I wearing Austrian Grenadiers uniform but from age 1798 last time a wear it was on austerlitz 2007 (very good battle 800 soldiers was been there) . VIVAT KAISER FRANZ 1 and grettings from Czech Republic (from 59. infantry regiment Leopold Joseph Maria von Daun later Langois )
hrhhh
vinsong 1 year ago
The green jackets are charging? Since they are long range lite infantry that would not be very effective against line infantry.
dablubus 1 year ago 79
@dablubus Cold steel is cold steel, whether its a redcoat or ar a greenjacket thrusting it into a Frenchman.
AdPaylor 1 year ago 110
Awesome! What kind of camera are you using??
Jaxar1 1 year ago
One problem. The Rifles were skirmishers so they didn't often form ranks and charge.
Kotassium 2 years ago 24
It was indeed counter-productive to not make use of the advantage in range that the Baker Rifle offered over the French charloville muskets. However, it did occur. Much of the fighting at Vitoria, particularly the opening stages of the battle, were fought using cold steel. Mark Urbans 'Rifles', ammoungst other books, gives some great examples.
AdPaylor 2 years ago 25
really intimidating at 0:39. I'd hate to be the french
arsenal395 2 years ago
It isn't a musket: it's a rifle... The fact is it has rifling in the barrel whereas a musket doesn't. It's an important difference as you can't hit the proverbial barn door with a musket whereas a rifle is more accurate
vengefulnoob 2 years ago
nice!
Hir202 2 years ago
In the Richard Sharpe series by Bernard Cornwell, which is all I know about this, The bayonets were used also when the soldiers formed a hollow square to ward of cavalry charges. So the bayonets had to be long enough to discourage horses from charging the lines, which they did very efficiently. Horses are smarter than people. The hollow square was a brilliant millitary tactic for foot soldiers as a defensive maneuver.
wowmom1976 2 years ago
you see the pass off parade of the rifles the march off at the end is a adaption of the bayonet/sword charge .
hezzieng101 2 years ago
i thought that they used like a little sharp pole or a dagger on the end of their musket not a sword?
wrestlemania9876 2 years ago
its a bayonet
was a sharp pole that screwed into the barrel then went onto be a dagger
i think xD
INDIEisSHIT 2 years ago
wast screwed on it was clipped. in case they had to get it off quickly not that many did XD
theuglyhairmonster 2 years ago
Thats with the muskets because if ya compare the two, muskets are long smooth bore barrelled while baker rifles were short but rifled (so no need for length) so you gta compensate the length somehow to beat a chap with a musket with bayonet :P plus there useful for melee combat if attacked and cant reload since they take lnoger than muskets
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
The baker rifle, as you said was short and rifled for accuracy where as the musket was smoothbore. the tearm "fix swords" came from the rifle regiments being the only soldiers to carry "sword bayonets", these being longer then the average bayonet and they alsohave a handle, making them able as a melee or hand help weapon, normal bayonets did not have this :)
PeteMedicineMan 2 years ago
Its funny how the Americans came up with a rifle that was long enough to just have a bayonet weird isn't it.
marrow089 2 years ago
First of all it's not, and that's not the reason why they made it that long... The reason for it's length was for an increase of accuracy and rifling capability. Also They had shorter muskets for cavalry and artillery to defend themselves. And the bayonet was hardly a concern when they developed it. The musket, which i presume you are talking about, what an infantry rifle, and was made only for infantry, which experienced the most combat.
pharoah246 2 years ago
the reason for the baker bayonet being so long was to enable riflemen and redcoats to form square together, when a brown bess is next to a baker and they both have bayonets fixed they are of equal length
2bakeww 2 years ago
The manual of arms for rifles used the sword bayonet. The sword bayonet became popular between napoleonic war till well after the Crimean war. The sword bayonet has the command, of fix swords. It is actually a bayonet, but its more like dagger like as you can see. Also its a tad more dangerous in the business end than a plain bayonet
fp470 2 years ago 2
Most infantry did, but since the rifles had shorter...well...rifles, instead of muskets, they needed the extra distance.
temp54 2 years ago
In the rifles it is a "sword bayonet" the reason for it being so long was to compensate for the baker rifle being short. this meant that a baker rifle next to a brown bess with both bayonets fixed are equal length, allowing them to form square
2bakeww 2 years ago
most of the time that was true but the rifle divisions liked to compensate for the rifle's short length by putting a big sword on the end :)
evilhazza 2 years ago 4
the musket in this movie are the baker musket. they used a short sword as a bayonet.
ww2luv 2 years ago
baker rifle you mean
Allyness92 2 years ago
manful service on the retreat to Corunna lads. bloodying Ney and Boney's nose and what not. Remember Sir John Moore and "Black" Bob Crauford
malevolentintellect 3 years ago
funny how they use swords.
blaisejones 3 years ago
Sword bayonets, because baker rifles were smaller than muskets, they needed the reach.
FunmasterBob 3 years ago 13
And the historic rifle units of the British Army, while they now use the same standard weapons as the line regiments, still refer to their bayonets as "swords" for this reason.
MassCityGent 3 years ago 5
ya it is funny
potato7059 3 years ago
Not just funny. It was really handy. Because of the slow load of the rifle you needed a sword bayonet. Or if the rifle became fouled with powder residue youd need a weapon like the sword bayonet. It had the advantage of a handle whilst other bayonets didnt making it really good.
captainnickface 2 years ago
wait people have we all saw the same video becoase i dont understand how austrian grendiers have any thing to do with this video?
Michel9004 3 years ago
i can tell you that it is great fun to be a part of this
chefmickeyw 3 years ago
They were magnificent in the peninsulers.
24878281 3 years ago
I must say that this video is very good I wearing Austrian Grenadiers uniform but from age 1798 last time a wear it was on austerlitz 2007 (very good battle 800 soldiers was been there) . VIVAT KAISER FRANZ 1 and grettings from Czech Republic (from 59. infantry regiment Leopold Joseph Maria von Daun later Langois )
Araman84 4 years ago 5
I greet you from Austria and Germany!
000000AEA000000 3 years ago 3
All I can say is Cool!
southessex 4 years ago
COOL!
KnightofLionel 4 years ago
Did they issue British Bully Beef to the troops 2oo years ago,mate?
MosheNL 4 years ago 20
They were indeed mate.
AdPaylor 4 years ago 17
I 'ave it in me sandwich's I hate it.
Gannetfishing 4 years ago
Stick a bit of HP in, itll jazz the taste up.
LittleDrinkies 4 years ago 4
Makes you proud,god we did kick arrse in the old days lol
britishairborne 4 years ago
I want to join but there are no British rifle regiments in America.
percydanvers2 4 years ago
Their is one unit I know of in the US - look up our website and visit the links page: w w w . 9 5 t h r i f l e s . c o m
AdPaylor 4 years ago
thank you very much.
percydanvers2 4 years ago
Cool!
jesserenda1 4 years ago
sweet
Alienmad462 4 years ago