there is no such thing or talking about music, in the Quran, if people want to ban the music, then that means, we cant play video games, look at commercials, or make our own commercials, no one gives will follow any person, that says music or art is forbidden, nothing about art or music is written or explained in the quran, those dumb strict Islamist in saudi arabia or any other country. bring us those dum ideology, i dont waste my time with them, and not even smart people do, only dumb people.
@ArchonOfTheNinth I agree that not all music is haram..especially if you look at a science point of view..u can not always go against science when it brings truth..studies have shown that certain music can have a positive effect on your brain..tons of articles on that by scientist..so to say all music is haram is a little extreme and this is where most scholars go wrong in there narrow thinking. the science part is what we need to look at and not be ignored. wa alaykum salam
give me a break you are telling me "michael jackson- heal the world " or "man in the mirror" is haram? give me a break.. if anything songs like that bring people and humanity together, more than what any Suicide bomber could EVER do!!
@akuma4u: even though I'm still undecided on this issue, but I see a fault in your reasoning. Imagine the Heal the World - MJ song being sung and the singer accompanies it with some alcohol drinking, would that be halal??? of course, no
@bagh98 why would they accompany a song like that with alcohol? that would be retarded. And im simply talking about the song itself not outside factors like whether the singer was drunk or not. The message the song delivers would still be the same and the fact that it brings or tries to bring people together in peace is 100% HALAL NOT HARAM , to say a message like that is haram would be totally wrong. Id choose this song over a suicide bombing any day of the year. Smarten up buddy.
@akuma4u: Lol, you din't get me did you? The point is Heal the World can be sung without any musical instruments being played alongside and it would still convey the same message, would it not? And what I'm trying to say is that the lyrics of a song being HALAL isn't a good enough reason to consider the musical instruments as HALAL, IF they ACTUALLY are HARAM (which, as I said, I'm not yet sure about).
@bagh98 i still and wont buy into the dark ages concept of instruments and music being H. Just like I wont buy into the concept that I should kill non believers,marry 4 wives,or do many other weird,violent,sexiest things that Islam unfortunately teaches.u got 2 remember the Quran was written by a man who did behead 1000s inc KIDS and women at a time where people were barbaric and ate others livers and dumb crap. Humanity has evolved a great deal. Times have changed. Get out of the dark ages!
@akuma4u: lol all these time i was thinking you're a Muslim, but as you're not, the issue of music being halal/haram in Islam is of no relevance to you, so that topic ends right here. And there are too many false and ambiguous allegations you've made there (just like many other non-Muslims and even a few confused Muslims do). Just one thing I'd say: research more, hear opinions of both the sides and then use your intellect to decide who make more sense. Get out of stereotyping and irrationality!
@bagh98 incorrect. I am muslim, non practicing. Except for the pork part ill never do that, and im a good person, i use common sense, im non violent, im tolerant of other peoples religion, I dont enslave my women, I try to make them feel beautiful and good about themselves. Ive done a lot of research in the state of Islamic affairs globally. There is a HUGE problem that exists, if you cant agree to that then you are simply being ignorant of the facts. There needs to be a big change.
@akuma4u: Good to know you're a Muslim but not good to know few of your views that you think Islam teaches; you call yourself a Muslim and believe that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) beheaded 1000s of women and kids??? :-|...but I do agree with you about needing a change, and I'm aware of the problems that exist, the problem of bastardization of some aspects of Islam in many Islamic states. But it's all coz people are modifying Islamic teachings as they please, in the process making a mess
btw, its not stereotyping, there are "sensible" muslims, most of whom live in north america, but they stay silent, the radical crazy militant muslims are the ones who have a voice and who are ruining it for those who have a heart for humanity. Until you watch the hundreds of barbaric beheadings, bombings, honor killings of kids women, etc, you can not comprehend the worldwide problem here. There needs to be a muslim who is the opposite of osama who will rise and make everything right
@akuma4u: I'm from a Muslim-majority third-world country and as I said I'm aware of the problems. But the topic here is NOT what Muslims are doing BUT what Islam teaches. And what I can't fathom is how you being a self-proclaimed 'Muslim' (albeit non-practicing but still..) try to portray Islam as a violent religion just bcoz a group of misguided and deviant Muslims are following some false ideologies that they believe to be Islamic?
@bagh98 "just a group" lol try millions. the only sane , civil muslims are the north american Born ones and a few scattered here and there in the east. The rest follow are savage and barbaric. Indonesian, thai, filipino muslims, iraqi , afghani , pakistani muslims, middle eastern muslims, Ive seen things that will open your eyes. 100s of beheading videos, videos with 100s of people stoning girls, women , and men to death for the dumbest things. And they back this up from quotes from the Quran.
@akuma4u: lol!! that's a big assumption to make. I for one am from Bangladesh, and from my personal experience I'd say that the mass live their life just like all other normal human beings do. But it's the people in power, who use the religion as a cover for their ill motives. and the acts that you mentioned are not so prevalent in my country, as you're making it to be. But yes in some Islamic countries, it's prevalent; in some it's scarcely prevalent; either way we need to address these issues
@akuma4u: But things are not as bad as your portray it. The problem is the fanatics get too much spotlight,
which I'm all for in a way as their acts need to be condemned but the problem occurs when everyone
starts to think all other local people must be similar and just coz you've seen a few videos, don't put everyone under the same bracket. There are cultural rulings that need to change, coz most of the people are just puppets of some 'religious (in fact cultural)' laws forced upon them.
@akuma4u: AND also just so you know, stoning isn't even in the Qur'an. Goes to show u haven't quite done ur homework :p. they're in a few hadith, but Qur'an already mentions other punishment for adultery (which is the crime that people mainly get stoned for) and hadith cannot overrule the Qur'an; this is why I say the Hadiths need some revision. Anyway, we're miles away from our main discussion and I think we should end it here.
@bagh98 when you go on hajj there is a part where people throw many stones, this stoning ritual is still done today. Muslims follow the quran and hadith , it is argued, and u can google this, that stoning is and was mentioned in the quran and then was later omitted, it still remains in the hadiths, nonetheless, its a frikkin barbaric savage ritual that shouldnt be practiced at all. Only barbarian uncivil people would do such a thing like that.
@akuma4u: Yes, people throw stones at hajj but that doesn't mean they are meant to be thrown at people as well. Don't just draw parallel lines at your own will. And yes, some people claim it was in the Qur'an and some goat ended up eating it or something; but that's just laughable as there's hardly any historical record on this, it's just one of the futile attempts of the loophole-hunters of Islam.
@bagh98 muslims throw stones at the "devil" at hajj, they do the same thing when they throw stones at humans as they feel they are the devil like for whatever so called sin they have committed. Throwing stones were a popular attack method at the time when the Quran was written. This tradition is carried on today. Savage tradition that should be abolished along with beheadings and everything else thats violent.After all isnt islam suppose to be a "religion of peace"?? then why so much bloodshed?
@akuma4u: If they do, they're doing wrong; that concept isn't Islamic whatsoever. People can't just turn up from nowhere and apply any crap to whatever crap they want and call it Islam. Islam is a religion of peace but doesn't mean it gives no punishments to criminals,BUT we people don't get to define what a crime is or what the punishment for that crime should be. God defined those for us, and if anyone's doing something that is not in line with God's commandments, he's doing wrong.
@bagh98 end it here? see, this is the damn problem. you try to get at the true problem of the whole situation and then u want to "end it here" ,. good work bro, things will really get better with that attitude.. :P
@akuma4u: oh sorry I was wrong, typing down a few hundred more words with you on this youtube video of course will surely and indeed make us reach to some fruitful conclusion regarding those issues. let's continue, whatcha wanna talk about? x factor? :)
@akuma4u until u watch videos of men women and children being stoned to death and beheaded, you will NOT understand the seriousness and the savage nature of these acts. Here is one for you to see, its muslims killing muslims from Indonesia,. they are stoning this man to death because he is an ahmadiya muslim..copy paste this youtube.com/watch?v=Q-KRHXssauI
@akuma4u: Dude you think I'm screaming this much about Islam and I haven't seen these videos? Yes, stoning does happen in Islamic countries, and I don't have to watch brutal videos to admit to it. But what's happening is wrong. Killing a person because of their religion is not part of Islam (go Google), and even more so when the person is a fellow Muslim (be that he's of a different sect). These people are SINNING. End of
@bagh98 u have to watch the evidence to get the real feel of the situation. I can look at a piece of fried chicken and decide that its proabbly pretty tasty but until I eat the thing I wont know for sure and exactly how tasty. In court and law all evidence must be presented. So go watch the beheading videos, theres one with a 7 year old beheading a man.. and it goes beyond muslims killing other muslims in different sects.
@akuma4u: Okay maybe you went and visited all those countries and know what you're talking about. But can we just agree to this that: Whatever of those craps that are happening in those countries are the actions of some or maybe millions, as you'd put, of wrongly misguided people.. and they're acting against the teachings of Islam. Yes?
@bagh98 would say yes but 2b honest i havent read or understood the quran in English nor the hadiths in English, so until I read all of them i wont know what they are saying & if these savage people doing these things are justified in doing them as they r saying it says so in the quran/hadith to do those things. I hope and pray that they are wrong, but I have seen dozens of verses of violence and bloodshed already. I hope 2 dissect the quran and hadith soon (in eng.) 2 find out the real deal.
@akuma4u: Bro, you should start asap. InshAllah your faith will increase. And all I'd say that trust me everything our Lord has ordained is beautiful and required for a peaceful and just world. Research more (make sure you try every opinion and not just let one particular source of opinion impress you so much that you fail to see when they're wrong), inshAllah you'll have a better understanding of what Allah wants and what the Muslims are doing. and let me know if I could help in any way. Salam
@bagh98 so how can u call it "false ideologies" if its they are getting this info and quotes from the quran to back up what they are doing? Im not portraying it as a violent religion, It and its people have done a great job at doing that themselves!! The only way this problem will get better is if these civil and save humanitarian muslims speak up and grow a set of balls and wipe out and cast out these damn savage muslims who are in the millions..
@akuma4u: Just like Trinity isn't in the Bible, but the Trinitarian Christians, in order to prove their belief, take Bibilical verses out of context or overstretch them, similarly the deviant Muslim groups (mainly the people at the helm of those groups) try to prove things that aren't in Qur'an. And those among the masses that have little knowledge of the Qur'an get easily brainwashed by these and fail to recognise that their belief is being used to do something that is against their belief.
@bagh98 also, the Quran needs to be once and for all dissected and all the verses need to be clearly explained for the masses by an unbiased council to see just exactly what these controversial verses are really saying and if they are simply interpreted wrong of if they truly do tell u to behead
7 kill infidels, the concept of jihad and what it really means, and all the other stuff. Also the Hadiths need 2 go thru the same process and a verdict needs to come about if we should even follow them
@akuma4u: About the hadiths I agree, they need some revising and reviewing . And about the Qur'an, recently people like Zakir Naik, Hamza Yusuf and many more are coming forward in defense of the real Islam and trying to get to the masses with the true meanings of Islam. Though I don't agree with certain aspects of their views, but majority of their opinions are logical are sensible and in parallel with the true Islamic spirit.
@bagh98 zakir naik has issues, i too use to think he was a wise man and helped the religion but then i viewed and read more into him, and he has issues and is quite ignorant when it comes to the entire terrorism and taliban issue, he thinks the media is showing us actors, yes thats right, to him bin ladin and the rest of al qaeda are not real taliban and are just actors shown by the media... he has also said things which promote intolerance and and the division of mankind.
@akuma4u: Seems you didn't quite pay attention to his related lectures, and again made some assumptions. At one stage, I used to watch his talks, lectures etc like mad and still look for his new videos and this is what I believe his opinion is. He said knowing how the journalism world works and the way Muslims have been scapegoated for quite a long period, he wouldn't take the western media's words as a base to have an opinion about Laden and co. Basically, he stayed neutral.
@bagh98 1) "music being haram in Islam is of no relevance to you, that topic ends right here."
No. Fearless, outspoken, liberal opposition to your beliefs is just beginning. Simply, the overwhelming majority in secular countries don't want this oppressive fascistic 'ideology' anywhere near them... or their children. The very fact that you even entertain such anti-humanitarian beliefs in such close proximity deeply offends.
@bagh98 2) You must understand that, ultimately, the only option for the people of post-enlightenment Western cultures is to vigorously challenge, oppose and be rid of such blatant totalitarianism. I sincerely hope that you personally can rid yourself of it too.
@akuma4u: And how is suicide bombing even related to this issue that you're bringing it in here?!! lol.. the topic here is whether or not use of musical instruments is prohibited in Islam, regardless of what the lyrics of a song has to convey.
@bagh98 because it seems as though suicide bombings are being tolerated more than songs of peace. and what do songs of peace and humanity have to do with alcoholic drinking ? i Have no idea why you associated the two. and FYI, I will listen to songs of peace and humanity with musical instruments over any hate filled speech about killing others or non believers or infidels any day of the week. Love, tolerance and peace is > hatred, intolerance and killing
@akuma4u: Suicide bombing is prohibited and I agree with you that we all should be more vocal against it. And I used alcohol as an example to prove my case (which I'm not sure you did) that a song may have halal lyrics, but the whole song would become haram if anything haram accompanies it; be that alcohol (as in the case of club/disco songs), or musical instruments (only if it's haram)...and I think you din't read my other comment in which I answered your question before, scroll down a bit.
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi.
Hell on earth. This miserable suffocating, anti-human, anti-life 'ideology' will end as it began. By human hand. And every free decent human-being will have their fingers on its septic neck.
The argument applies equally to sportsmen who have passion for sports, writers who have passion for words, cooks who have passion for cooking. Come on, this is no justification, we can all see the problem, it is after all, not easy to prove and justify a lie. Inviting humanity to the best of all Hadiths , the miracle of miracles , the holy Qur'an
What a joke pretty sure your false prophet used the instrument of his voice. There is good and bad music plain and simple. Makes sense they ban instruments it is the only proof that we have a soul and have emotion.
I really don't know why god would give us such beautiful ways to express ourselves like art and music and then forbid us to use them. Especially when such beautiful things can pass through any language,cultural or religious beliefs and bring people from all backgrounds together with a common interest. Surely a loving god would want that relationship built between his sons and daughters?
@riceburnagtv brother this is a test from allah. temtations and desires if you give up somthing for the sake of allah he will replace it with somthing better. in a hadith when allah created heaven and hell he put temtation and desire around hell and strugle around paradise long hadith search it when allah asked the angel to look at heaven and hell. i think its in bukhari al muslim im not sure may allah keep us away from these temtaions. im not perfect reminder for myself. we all hve shortcumings
@SuperL1on Well I'm sorry but living a life without such pleasures in the hope of a beautiful afterlife seems silly to me. Why not live life to its fullest now? It's all about energy,what positive energy do you bring to peoples lives,what do you bring for yourself.its not about following a structured regimented religion that only takes stops you from meeting people outside your own religion,god wouldn't want that he would want you to respect all and contribute to the world.
@TheProphetMo u do know that there are like millions of muslims in america right? But we still live in peace. What u see in the media isnt islam. Get to know a good muslim before u judge. Media can make good things look bad.
I have seven wives, 2 husbands, 47 children, 43 goats, 13 pigs, 1 horse, 9 camelsand 1 rhino.
I live in a 1 bedroom apartment overlooking the Mecca abbatoir (so we see lots of lovely blood), and I attend my local witches coven on mondays and saturdays.
For 3 months I have not washed (in honour of allah) and I shaved my pubic hair and glued it to my beard so people will think I am even more wise.
Thank you for your interest in my beautiful existance.
@TheProphetMo Why should anything be taken seriously from someone who has as their username "TheProphetMo", who uses their time to insult and ridicule? Surely you lack dignity and integrity.
@TheProphetMo I think depression is rife within your western societies who lack spirituality. We have acceptable nasheed, we have the recitation of the Quran, we have acceptable jokes, fun with family, friends and community. We do not need isolation with music, to be in a trance, or be preoccupied with things that are not beneficial.
Anti-depressant pills is big business in the west.
Anyone can say anything about the prophet, but gone are the days when people would confirm his hadith by comparing with Qur'an, nowadays people confirm qur'an by comparing to hadith. where in Qur'an is music boldly mentioned to be haram??? Open challenge to Bilal Phillips who spreads nothing but hatred. watch his hate speech against shia's, against christians and jews.
How could music be Haraam? Allah is not a hypocrite. He put music in water, in air, on the shores, in the tree leaves and cosmos
not even once MUSIC AND ART is mentioned in the QURAN! if this person was in my country right now,no one would listen to him in the middle east, Arabs created the OUD and many others things, I dont care about him and no one will follow him, keep your sick brainwash to yourself, and dont put words in our PROPHETS MOUTH! MOHAMMAD PEACE be upon him. the only excuse they say music is haram, is because, they believe humans are not trusted, they can pisst off, i had off backwardness.
Musics that are haram are the ones that distracts you from the reality, which is; you're in this world for a test, not for merely enjoying life on earth which is unpredictably short.
I believe most of the world's population listens to songs that doesn't touch any God issue.
@3lbiamira Music does leads to haram. A person who listens to music more, will not enjoy Quran recitations as much as he does with music. Obviously then he would seek for joy more, and that's one of the beginnings of a Muslim's downfall.
It's no wonder Muslims are such a morose and miserable bunch! Music bad? It's the old concept of throwing the baby out with the bathwater: because you don't like suggestive and obscene lyrics in the most provacative modern music, you're going to turn against the Mozarts of this world? Why must everything in Islam be so frought with paranoia? Once again I say -- it's ISLAM which is HARAM.
To those who endorse music, would you dare say it's better or more worthy of your ears or beneficial to your soul than Al Quran? For sure no. Don't trade the best for that which is haram, doubtful, or even second-rate. Don't let shaytan make you go astray by tricking you into thinking your reasoning is above scholars knowledge. Too ask questions and argue too much is a sign of weak iman
Okay, why is Music hiram? Sheikh Bilal just rambled on. Why is it hiram? Why? What is so bad about it? How about good music? Is that saying that we shouldn't listen to music at all, because it's addicting? Rubbish. I hate this fanatical talk. So what?
This guy spent quite some time researching why Music is haram
he could have wrapped it up this way: creativity and individuality is haram,
It has it's way to ur heart. it has a stronger abilty to appeale to more human nature than islam and who knows: god forbid u might even stop hating all the universe around u. We do not want that, do we?
@intushabitat You're an idiot. There is nothing wrong with individuality and creativity. Music is not the only form of creative expression. Art and literature are actually encouraged. The only restriction on art as well is the prohibition against drawing any sort of creature.
You're saying no stifling of creativity and individual taste as long as its not music or portraits of creatures.Contradictory isn't it! What were you thinking when you wrote me this note?
Art is allowed with some restrictions as decreed by the creator believed by the Muslims. There is no contradiction in it. Islam's view of art is much different. Art is broad and to subjugate it to music and faces on pictures is ridiculous. Your basis for saying that Islam prevents creativity is false b/c:
1) You only present two reasons for this as if they are the end-all-be-all for art - from how I saw it
Music dear is art. People like bethoven mozart shubert vivaldi bach etc... have in their own way reflected inherent beauty whose only sourse is God. Same can be told about great painters.
If your god thinks their works are ridiculous then your god should definitely seek psychological help
Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wassalam) said that one of the signs of the end are Muslims making Music halal .. If i could find the hadith I would, but im 100% sure about it. Salaams
@nosherwanh 2-Abdullah bin Abbas(may Allaah be pleased with him) ,again a very knowledgable companion of the Holy Prophet (PBUH), said "this means singing".
{Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40}.
3-Abdullah bin Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) also is reported to have said the same. {see Ibn al-Qayyam's narration below}
that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful....
that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful....
@Neyney7hug1ady I am confident your prophet did in fact say something as moronic as you suggest. Beautiful music has been the salvation of so many people for thousands of years. It warms the heart, and makes us more better people. But of course even the highest expressions of humanity in music and in art were belittled by your dwarf prophet -- who was afraid of losing his place in the limelight. Muslims everywhere would be so much better off if they would only OPEN their hearts to beauty.
@Neyney7hug1ady The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi.
You poor poor people, you just don't stand a chance, you have to feel bad about so much. Drilled into you from day one.
So much difficulty and hardship in anyones progress through life and this man finds his defining moment is a stultifying meandering "lecture" about how listening to or playing a piano is soul corrupting. Sad beyond description.
The majority of it is haraaam. I would say the better way is to stay away from all music. If you go back into the era of Kabeel the son of Adam. Thats when the shaytan introduced the flute to Kabeels people and thus they began to dance and sing.
Just stay away from music. Its Ibless's tool used to distract the slaves of Allah from the the afterlife. The ears of a true believer can never get enough of listening to the Quran. Let alone the heart !!!
Yes I hate Music, Girls so I wlll never marry, Drugs, yes i will never seek Medcine when i am sick, or I am going to go to hell, oh and I can't watch TV, since i will be thinking it is a real world in the little Square box, ahhh now I fell free,
Music is the universal language. It's the only language the human soul understands by heart. So if you believe in a God that created us, then it wouldn't be far-fetched to say that Music is the language closest to God. The sad part is the societies that have denied themselves the full expression of music. The result of this caused a musical evolution only to take place in Europa through the classical composers like Beethoven, Bach, Chopin and so on, everyone else lagged behind more or less.
@InSaneTK Apart from the fact that rhythm, a fundamental part of music did not develop beyond the most basic divisions in Europe while in Africa their polyrhythms were so far advanced the west didn't even understand them. The fusing of these two elemets: western harmony and african rhythms made ragtime, blues, jazz and near enough all popular music today. So it is quite wrong to state music only evolved in the west.
@jujumatt That's quite true, but in one of Beethoven's last Piano pieces he actually wrote a segment that is exactly like ragtime, 70 years before any other trace of that style emerged. :P
@InSaneTK I think you mean Golliwog's Cakewalk by Debussy. But please send anything by Beethoven that sounds like ragtime I'd be interested (and amazed). :P
As an African-American Muslim revert for over 20 years and a student of history, I know that the journey to freedom from slavery for my people also encompassed music. It was through what is called "negro spirituals," where other slaves were giving each other codes through songs on how to escape or to make way to the path what's known as the Underground Railroad to freedom. I would not be here, by ALLAH's (SWT) permission, without that history which included music. ALLAH (SWT) knows best.
musical instruments are haram because they can effect the emotions of the people. there is a hadith that says a man was playing an instrument and he played it one way and the people laughed and then another way and the people cried then another way and the people fell asleep so it has physical and emotional effects over us
@jalilsaif go read the Quran, not Hadiths written hundred of years later after the Prophets death, and after the rightly guided caliphs, by kings like Yazid who tried to control all of their peoples lives, Hadiths are bull
@TheSilverSultan4 Wallahi thats a horrible thing to say, so i guess you don't pray like me or other muslims because thats from the sunnah and the ahadith. Only the duffs are excepted, I mean all of the shuyukh that I've heard say music is haram also the four Madhahib say the same so i mean In the quran i never read where Allah(SWT) says music is halal.
@jalilsaif As with all things in this world, there is good music and bad. Just like there are good people and bad. Why can't Muslims be permitted to choose for themselves?
can somebody,anybody show me proof by way of the words of the quran that music is haraam? or have the masses rejected the QURAN and replaced it with words of men? lewd lyrics,violent messages by way of video yes we all agree but ALL MUSIC? give me proof by way of what was sent down by ALLAH(S.W.T.).
I'm not a muslim but i've read the Quran and some Hadiths
(i know it doesn't make me an expert) and can say the ONLY real Muslims are the Saudis. The rest are a bunch of Munafiq.Your prophet Muhammed was a very morally evolved and sincere man.
They are hypocrites, the first thing that comes to mind when thinking of European Muslims is crime,prostitution(pimps),violence, honor killings,rude behavior,drugs etc. pretty much the opposite what Islam teaches.
@rogvr781 ...but most if not all of those "muslim" trouble makers in europe are of arabic, turkish, pakistani origin?!. The genetic Europeans who convert more often than not becomes devout and the kind of muslims that educates themselves. Also if you read the Quran take a look at Surah 9 verses 97-98. The keyword is "Al-aAArabu" look it up in an classical arabic dictionary like "Lanes". It is not like Saudi Arabia is a beacon of light and justice, is it?
@rogvr781 If they were truely following Islam to point, it would be a place of justice, with elected rulers. It would be a place people would flock to, not out of duty, but because it inspired them to be there. So while I agree that they are pretty consistent in what they do, I think it is a bad thing. And even this is a truth with more to it than the plain obvious. Look up "wahabism" and "petro Islam" and realise that in the historical context , they are anything but consistent.
Well i didn't claim them to be the "perfect Muslims" but we agree they come closest to sharia law.A perfect Islamic Khalifat never existed in history so one has to measure by this standard.
Islam has branched apart just like any other religion to suit local traditions and customs hence it remains in the eye of the beholder how we define orthodoxy.
Metaphorically speaking as an example: ask 10 Muslims about the prohibition on Music or Alcohol and you'll get 10 different answers.
@rogvr781 its not muslim opinion that make islam,islam has laws n principles,if they have no knowledge of being guide by unqualified or pretented scholars..you will b on the wrong path,its easy to diffenciate halal n haram,firstly,lets do our SHAADAH..SWALAT,ROZA,ZAKKAaT....HAJ ....IF its FARZ on the person,follow mohammad[s.a.w]..its the best way don't go on discussing n arguing n derived from its evil plot......may allh guide us ALL..ameen asslm
@oomarlestipondan "its easy to diffenciate halal n haram". I agree entirely. See verses; 6:151-152, 7:33, 6:145, 4:23-24 etc... Not a word about music in the whole Quran though. But perhaps you think God forgot to put it in the book he calls exhaustive? (meaning, that nothing has been left out).
@rogvr781 Also,to me it looks like they are getting the bulk of their sharia law primarily from the Bible and not the Quran. Stoning, circumcision, killing apostates and homosexuals etc..
It can be easily proved that the hadith does not in any way explain the Quran and that the "Sahih Bukhari" is not worth the papers it is printed on.
For evidence please refer to, and check all references of "Sahih Al-Bukhary" by Dr. Muhammed Muhsin Khan, Islamic University, Medina Al-Munawwara. Publisher "Kitab Bhavan, New Delhi, which is the Nine volume encyclopedia. Vol. 6 of "Sahih Al-Bukhary" is devoted to the explanation of the Quran (Tafsir).
The other eight volumes prescribe things like drinking camels urine to cure fevers (vol 7, hadith no 590), burning people first and then their houses if they do not go the mosque on time, (vol.1, hadith no.626), dreaming of undressing women (vol 9, hadith no.139 and 140), using shoes to garland camels (Vol 2, hadith no 763), and other such non-sense.
And read the biography of Bukhari, Muslim, Aboe Dawoed, Tirmidie etc. these are a couple of names of people who collected ahadeeth.
Then u will see who these persons where and how great theyre knowledge was.
And how correct these people were.
And about the Sunnah and the essence of it, i would recommend u all to read the biographys of great scholars ('ulamaa) like Al-Albaanie, Uthaymeen, Ahmed, Hanbaal, Bin Bas etc. and also their books about 'aqeedah and other topics.
@youffes According to his biography. Bukhari collected 600.000 hadith. Of those 600.000 a mere 6.000+ made it into his collection. This means that people at the time had no problems what so ever lying through their teeth about the prophet. That is a hit rate of 1%. On what authority did Bukhari and his likes operate? God? prove it. What are their authority and where did they get it from?
@youffes "Say 'Do you see that which God has provided for you, you make some of it Unlawful (Haram) and some of it Lawful (Halal)?. Say 'Did God allow you to do this? Or do you tell lies about God?" (10:59)
@youffes Completely absurd. Personally I am asking for evidence for your claims. You insist that music is haram and I demand evidence as the Quran requires of me. Muslims are to investigate all things they hear as part of our belief system. So if you are a muslim you know that only God can make new law. Thus for music to be haram there must be a perfectly clear ayat in the Quran that states so. Please show this ayat. If you cannot, then you are just another person who took his priests for gods.
May Allah (swt) guide us all. If u think logically u would know why music is haraam.
Everyone knows zina is haraam, swearing is haraam, talking about ur sins is haraam, inviting people to do haraam things is haraam and so on and so on.
What do the musicians we know? Where do they sing about? Listen to the lyrics of 50 cent, T.I. , Usher, Rihanna actually every musician sings or raps about something haraam!
@youffes Ridiculous and flawed logic. How about all the Delta blues musicians who sung about life and their faith in God? How about Gospel? How about techno which contains no lyrics. All you are doing is trying to wrap ill logic around your own pet bias. Music is a medium, the same way a book is. It is not the medium but what you choose to fill in it that makes it what it is.
Bukhari was very carefull selecting the hadeeth. If there was someone in the chain of delivery not a good person or what so ever he wouldn't take the hadeeth from him.
This only shows u how extremely carefull these Hadeeth were selected.
The Sunnah is the only way in Islaam. Without the Sunnah u wouldn't understand the Quraan for 100 percent and without the Quraan u wouldn't understand the Sunnah for 100 percent. Quraan and Sunnah go hand in hand.
@youffes So God is bluffing when he stats in the Quran that the Quran is: the Book that makes things clear (44.2) that is, "...explained in detail." (6.114)", and "consistent with itself" (39.23) etc. Nowhere in the Quran is God telling us that we cannot understand it, or that it ineeds other explanations. on the contrary. It constantly remind us that it is easy to understand.
First of all i have 2 say u have a very religious nickname ;)
i quote: " I am not a member of any sect within Islam. I am not Sunni, Suffi, Shiah, Submitter or any other cult" but u also say: "I take guidence from the Quran and thus I follow God and the footsteps of his messenger" this makes u a SUNNI following the footsteps of muhammed (pbuh).
And the hadeeth wich weren't Saheeh it wasn't because a part were made up but because of the chain of people who delivered the
what they taught us about the prophet was his sunna , if you have a problem with hadith pl;ease at the very least dont lie about its advent and then claim falsely that it came 200 years after the prophet . i challenge you to find out when the first recorded hadith was written and if it was written in the time of the prophet? please answer my question about how we would perform any of our 5 pillars correctly if the information on how to perform them was not written in the authentic hadith?
@sunniman100 Heavens no, it is up to YOU to provide evidence of any earlier works than ca.200 years after his death. There is rumours that it was started earlier, but I have seen no evidence of this, but plenty that they were not written down into kanon volumes untill atleast 200 years after MOhammed death. Also, just because you see muslims have a certain behaviour and do not find it in the Quran does not mean the Quran is not complete and needs Bukharis explanations of it.
@sunniman100 now here is a little math test. Accoding to Bukhari himself, he collected close to 600.000 hadith during his run, and of those 600.000 less than 6.000 made it into the vol.umes we know as his hadith collections today. How much time did he spend on verfifying each of the 600.000 hadiths? Is it troubling that Mohammed relative contemporaries had no problems with lying through their teeth about him since about 90% of what Bukhari picked up he belived to be lies on the spot!
fucking asshole he's fucking perverted!! he can not represent islam!!!! he says cuz guitar's shape is like a woman's body...FUCKING PERVERT! in my opinion he's not said anything new on nothing...i am a muslim and i create and listen to music...it's spiritual,it makes me thank god for creating something so beautiful
@hmfvunit: I'm the same as you. I play the acoustic guitar, piano (classically trained for 11 years), and harmonica. I used to think it was haram, so I stopped for a while, but after having read so many contradictions pertaining to it, I'm convinced it's halal. There's only ONE source of Hadith that says it's haram, and NO OTHER SOURCES, HADITH OR QURAN to back it up, therefore it's considered weak. And al-Bukhari has also mentioned that that particular hadith has a broken chain of narrators.
@hmfvunit: No way, you're not kaffir, and you and I are not the only ones who support music. Check this out: youtubeDOTcome/watch?v=Xy4PUw6stfw&feature=related he's a highly educated Sheikh with 2 PhDs :)
what a waste of time. No where in quran says that music is haram. God knows why these people misrepresent islam and introduce such ideas to mainstream young mind. Allah himself created rhythm and music even in our own bodies just listen to your heat beats and you would know what i mean.
@Spring595: 100% agreed. We're MADE of music. Our voice is a natural musical instrument. Everything that surrounds us is music. As for the fact that people say string instruments are haram because they play with the emotions, what's wrong with that? Not ALL emotions are bad. We can't deny our emotions as human beings. I personally listen to good music (folk, country, classical), and it reminds me of how beautiful Allah is to create such beauty.
Of course making images and music is haram if you follow the Hadith. But the scholars know the modern world can't work without photography, news or medical drawings so they conveniently make an acception, even though the Hadith emphatically forbids the making of pictures of any living things! Forget the Hadith and don't follow scholars (they're just angry men who want to be adored like Gods and warriors). Read the Quran that has been provided and let your own conscience lead the way! SMILE! :-)
@JimWAllan Hadith DOES have a place, but it can never supersede the Qur'an. We must even be careful with might NOT be our "own" conscience. The music debate will never end. Qur'an doesn't forbid it, but hadith does. Too many place hadith above Qur'an, and of course, when they're face to face w/this, always resort to the "does the Qur'an tell us exactly how to make salat" argument, which in reality, is irrelevant in many instances.
The Hadith again!! This book is making Muslims the laughing stock of the world. Stupid angry Santa Clauses and Storm Trooper women! Just follow the Quran that has been provided and forget all these silly superstitions. Grow a beard if you want! Change your name if you want. Pray how YOU feel is right otherwise what is the worth of doing it like a robot? Does God prefer you to copy others or follow your heart? Don't follow the Hadith or scholars who support it. The Quran is the ONLY eternal book!
@JimWAllan I'd say, in answering ur ?, a little of both. We r individuals, but also have collective rules, salat being one. Our hearts, especially under the influence of ungodly influences, aren't necessarily as pure as we'd like, so we have to put, following "it" in perspective. Laughing stock? depends on the issue. In some cases, we have to follow what Qur'an says, "laugh now, cry later". Societies that promote homosexuality & other immorality r Allah's "laughing stock". That's the ultimate.
the quran instructs us to follow every command of our prophet, where do we find these commands? where else but the very hadith you say not to follow may all guide you. if it wasnt for hadith we wouldnt be able to call pray, pray properly the way the prophet taught us, we couldnt fast ,or pay charity ,or even do the holy pilgrimage
please stop misguiding people with you follow your hearts diatribe
@sunniman100 The Koran states explicitly that the messenger's duty was only to convey (Balagh) the message (Koran 29:18) contained in the Koran (Koran 69:44) and that the Koran was the only Wahi (revelation) given to the prophet to be conveyed to people (Koran 6:19), by testimony of God Himself. The Koran also historically predates any written Hadith and there is no mention of Hadith or the Sunna of the Prophet in what we possess as writings before the third century after the prophet.
@sunniman100 Do you really believe the Sun and Moon 'ride on chariots'? If you believe the Hadith to be genuine, how do you decide what bits to follow? God would not have allowed a book where some parts are genuine and others false (or what some call 'weak'). Many pre-Islamic rituals, superstitions and fashions have survived in the Hadith. Unfortunately, most muslims prefer to obey nasty scholars and family traditions rather than find the true path to God. They can only hope that God accepts.
@sunniman100 Where does the Quran tell us about Bukhari and the monumental work him and his students are about to undertake 200 years after Mohammed has died, that will rise to as important a position as the Quran? Just give me the ayat number please. If you cant, then I see no reason to trust this Bukhari fellow when he tells us that the nonsense he collected is the sayings of the same man who delivered the Quran to us. Or perhaps I am just to "take his word for it?" is that it ?
there is no such thing or talking about music, in the Quran, if people want to ban the music, then that means, we cant play video games, look at commercials, or make our own commercials, no one gives will follow any person, that says music or art is forbidden, nothing about art or music is written or explained in the quran, those dumb strict Islamist in saudi arabia or any other country. bring us those dum ideology, i dont waste my time with them, and not even smart people do, only dumb people.
Ammo150 1 week ago
yes i know some music which is halal, it come on Peace TV
MacroUK 1 month ago
@MacroUK hahhahah!! you are funny
AntakiBasha 4 weeks ago
@AntakiBasha may i know what did you find funny in it?
MacroUK 4 weeks ago
@ArchonOfTheNinth I agree that not all music is haram..especially if you look at a science point of view..u can not always go against science when it brings truth..studies have shown that certain music can have a positive effect on your brain..tons of articles on that by scientist..so to say all music is haram is a little extreme and this is where most scholars go wrong in there narrow thinking. the science part is what we need to look at and not be ignored. wa alaykum salam
MDefsquad9 1 month ago
where can i get the full speech of this?
TheOcean101 3 months ago
give me a break you are telling me "michael jackson- heal the world " or "man in the mirror" is haram? give me a break.. if anything songs like that bring people and humanity together, more than what any Suicide bomber could EVER do!!
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: even though I'm still undecided on this issue, but I see a fault in your reasoning. Imagine the Heal the World - MJ song being sung and the singer accompanies it with some alcohol drinking, would that be halal??? of course, no
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 why would they accompany a song like that with alcohol? that would be retarded. And im simply talking about the song itself not outside factors like whether the singer was drunk or not. The message the song delivers would still be the same and the fact that it brings or tries to bring people together in peace is 100% HALAL NOT HARAM , to say a message like that is haram would be totally wrong. Id choose this song over a suicide bombing any day of the year. Smarten up buddy.
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: Lol, you din't get me did you? The point is Heal the World can be sung without any musical instruments being played alongside and it would still convey the same message, would it not? And what I'm trying to say is that the lyrics of a song being HALAL isn't a good enough reason to consider the musical instruments as HALAL, IF they ACTUALLY are HARAM (which, as I said, I'm not yet sure about).
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 i still and wont buy into the dark ages concept of instruments and music being H. Just like I wont buy into the concept that I should kill non believers,marry 4 wives,or do many other weird,violent,sexiest things that Islam unfortunately teaches.u got 2 remember the Quran was written by a man who did behead 1000s inc KIDS and women at a time where people were barbaric and ate others livers and dumb crap. Humanity has evolved a great deal. Times have changed. Get out of the dark ages!
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: lol all these time i was thinking you're a Muslim, but as you're not, the issue of music being halal/haram in Islam is of no relevance to you, so that topic ends right here. And there are too many false and ambiguous allegations you've made there (just like many other non-Muslims and even a few confused Muslims do). Just one thing I'd say: research more, hear opinions of both the sides and then use your intellect to decide who make more sense. Get out of stereotyping and irrationality!
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 incorrect. I am muslim, non practicing. Except for the pork part ill never do that, and im a good person, i use common sense, im non violent, im tolerant of other peoples religion, I dont enslave my women, I try to make them feel beautiful and good about themselves. Ive done a lot of research in the state of Islamic affairs globally. There is a HUGE problem that exists, if you cant agree to that then you are simply being ignorant of the facts. There needs to be a big change.
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: Good to know you're a Muslim but not good to know few of your views that you think Islam teaches; you call yourself a Muslim and believe that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) beheaded 1000s of women and kids??? :-|...but I do agree with you about needing a change, and I'm aware of the problems that exist, the problem of bastardization of some aspects of Islam in many Islamic states. But it's all coz people are modifying Islamic teachings as they please, in the process making a mess
bagh98 7 months ago
btw, its not stereotyping, there are "sensible" muslims, most of whom live in north america, but they stay silent, the radical crazy militant muslims are the ones who have a voice and who are ruining it for those who have a heart for humanity. Until you watch the hundreds of barbaric beheadings, bombings, honor killings of kids women, etc, you can not comprehend the worldwide problem here. There needs to be a muslim who is the opposite of osama who will rise and make everything right
akuma4u 7 months ago
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bagh98 7 months ago
@akuma4u: I'm from a Muslim-majority third-world country and as I said I'm aware of the problems. But the topic here is NOT what Muslims are doing BUT what Islam teaches. And what I can't fathom is how you being a self-proclaimed 'Muslim' (albeit non-practicing but still..) try to portray Islam as a violent religion just bcoz a group of misguided and deviant Muslims are following some false ideologies that they believe to be Islamic?
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 "just a group" lol try millions. the only sane , civil muslims are the north american Born ones and a few scattered here and there in the east. The rest follow are savage and barbaric. Indonesian, thai, filipino muslims, iraqi , afghani , pakistani muslims, middle eastern muslims, Ive seen things that will open your eyes. 100s of beheading videos, videos with 100s of people stoning girls, women , and men to death for the dumbest things. And they back this up from quotes from the Quran.
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: lol!! that's a big assumption to make. I for one am from Bangladesh, and from my personal experience I'd say that the mass live their life just like all other normal human beings do. But it's the people in power, who use the religion as a cover for their ill motives. and the acts that you mentioned are not so prevalent in my country, as you're making it to be. But yes in some Islamic countries, it's prevalent; in some it's scarcely prevalent; either way we need to address these issues
bagh98 7 months ago
@akuma4u: But things are not as bad as your portray it. The problem is the fanatics get too much spotlight,
which I'm all for in a way as their acts need to be condemned but the problem occurs when everyone
starts to think all other local people must be similar and just coz you've seen a few videos, don't put everyone under the same bracket. There are cultural rulings that need to change, coz most of the people are just puppets of some 'religious (in fact cultural)' laws forced upon them.
bagh98 7 months ago
@akuma4u: AND also just so you know, stoning isn't even in the Qur'an. Goes to show u haven't quite done ur homework :p. they're in a few hadith, but Qur'an already mentions other punishment for adultery (which is the crime that people mainly get stoned for) and hadith cannot overrule the Qur'an; this is why I say the Hadiths need some revision. Anyway, we're miles away from our main discussion and I think we should end it here.
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 when you go on hajj there is a part where people throw many stones, this stoning ritual is still done today. Muslims follow the quran and hadith , it is argued, and u can google this, that stoning is and was mentioned in the quran and then was later omitted, it still remains in the hadiths, nonetheless, its a frikkin barbaric savage ritual that shouldnt be practiced at all. Only barbarian uncivil people would do such a thing like that.
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: Yes, people throw stones at hajj but that doesn't mean they are meant to be thrown at people as well. Don't just draw parallel lines at your own will. And yes, some people claim it was in the Qur'an and some goat ended up eating it or something; but that's just laughable as there's hardly any historical record on this, it's just one of the futile attempts of the loophole-hunters of Islam.
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 muslims throw stones at the "devil" at hajj, they do the same thing when they throw stones at humans as they feel they are the devil like for whatever so called sin they have committed. Throwing stones were a popular attack method at the time when the Quran was written. This tradition is carried on today. Savage tradition that should be abolished along with beheadings and everything else thats violent.After all isnt islam suppose to be a "religion of peace"?? then why so much bloodshed?
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: If they do, they're doing wrong; that concept isn't Islamic whatsoever. People can't just turn up from nowhere and apply any crap to whatever crap they want and call it Islam. Islam is a religion of peace but doesn't mean it gives no punishments to criminals,BUT we people don't get to define what a crime is or what the punishment for that crime should be. God defined those for us, and if anyone's doing something that is not in line with God's commandments, he's doing wrong.
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 end it here? see, this is the damn problem. you try to get at the true problem of the whole situation and then u want to "end it here" ,. good work bro, things will really get better with that attitude.. :P
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: oh sorry I was wrong, typing down a few hundred more words with you on this youtube video of course will surely and indeed make us reach to some fruitful conclusion regarding those issues. let's continue, whatcha wanna talk about? x factor? :)
bagh98 7 months ago
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@akuma4u until u watch videos of men women and children being stoned to death and beheaded, you will NOT understand the seriousness and the savage nature of these acts. Here is one for you to see, its muslims killing muslims from Indonesia,. they are stoning this man to death because he is an ahmadiya muslim..copy paste this youtube.com/watch?v=Q-KRHXssauI
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: Dude you think I'm screaming this much about Islam and I haven't seen these videos? Yes, stoning does happen in Islamic countries, and I don't have to watch brutal videos to admit to it. But what's happening is wrong. Killing a person because of their religion is not part of Islam (go Google), and even more so when the person is a fellow Muslim (be that he's of a different sect). These people are SINNING. End of
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 u have to watch the evidence to get the real feel of the situation. I can look at a piece of fried chicken and decide that its proabbly pretty tasty but until I eat the thing I wont know for sure and exactly how tasty. In court and law all evidence must be presented. So go watch the beheading videos, theres one with a 7 year old beheading a man.. and it goes beyond muslims killing other muslims in different sects.
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: Okay maybe you went and visited all those countries and know what you're talking about. But can we just agree to this that: Whatever of those craps that are happening in those countries are the actions of some or maybe millions, as you'd put, of wrongly misguided people.. and they're acting against the teachings of Islam. Yes?
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 would say yes but 2b honest i havent read or understood the quran in English nor the hadiths in English, so until I read all of them i wont know what they are saying & if these savage people doing these things are justified in doing them as they r saying it says so in the quran/hadith to do those things. I hope and pray that they are wrong, but I have seen dozens of verses of violence and bloodshed already. I hope 2 dissect the quran and hadith soon (in eng.) 2 find out the real deal.
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: Bro, you should start asap. InshAllah your faith will increase. And all I'd say that trust me everything our Lord has ordained is beautiful and required for a peaceful and just world. Research more (make sure you try every opinion and not just let one particular source of opinion impress you so much that you fail to see when they're wrong), inshAllah you'll have a better understanding of what Allah wants and what the Muslims are doing. and let me know if I could help in any way. Salam
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 so how can u call it "false ideologies" if its they are getting this info and quotes from the quran to back up what they are doing? Im not portraying it as a violent religion, It and its people have done a great job at doing that themselves!! The only way this problem will get better is if these civil and save humanitarian muslims speak up and grow a set of balls and wipe out and cast out these damn savage muslims who are in the millions..
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: Just like Trinity isn't in the Bible, but the Trinitarian Christians, in order to prove their belief, take Bibilical verses out of context or overstretch them, similarly the deviant Muslim groups (mainly the people at the helm of those groups) try to prove things that aren't in Qur'an. And those among the masses that have little knowledge of the Qur'an get easily brainwashed by these and fail to recognise that their belief is being used to do something that is against their belief.
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 also, the Quran needs to be once and for all dissected and all the verses need to be clearly explained for the masses by an unbiased council to see just exactly what these controversial verses are really saying and if they are simply interpreted wrong of if they truly do tell u to behead
7 kill infidels, the concept of jihad and what it really means, and all the other stuff. Also the Hadiths need 2 go thru the same process and a verdict needs to come about if we should even follow them
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: About the hadiths I agree, they need some revising and reviewing . And about the Qur'an, recently people like Zakir Naik, Hamza Yusuf and many more are coming forward in defense of the real Islam and trying to get to the masses with the true meanings of Islam. Though I don't agree with certain aspects of their views, but majority of their opinions are logical are sensible and in parallel with the true Islamic spirit.
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 zakir naik has issues, i too use to think he was a wise man and helped the religion but then i viewed and read more into him, and he has issues and is quite ignorant when it comes to the entire terrorism and taliban issue, he thinks the media is showing us actors, yes thats right, to him bin ladin and the rest of al qaeda are not real taliban and are just actors shown by the media... he has also said things which promote intolerance and and the division of mankind.
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: Seems you didn't quite pay attention to his related lectures, and again made some assumptions. At one stage, I used to watch his talks, lectures etc like mad and still look for his new videos and this is what I believe his opinion is. He said knowing how the journalism world works and the way Muslims have been scapegoated for quite a long period, he wouldn't take the western media's words as a base to have an opinion about Laden and co. Basically, he stayed neutral.
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 1) "music being haram in Islam is of no relevance to you, that topic ends right here."
No. Fearless, outspoken, liberal opposition to your beliefs is just beginning. Simply, the overwhelming majority in secular countries don't want this oppressive fascistic 'ideology' anywhere near them... or their children. The very fact that you even entertain such anti-humanitarian beliefs in such close proximity deeply offends.
blackmore4 6 months ago
@bagh98 2) You must understand that, ultimately, the only option for the people of post-enlightenment Western cultures is to vigorously challenge, oppose and be rid of such blatant totalitarianism. I sincerely hope that you personally can rid yourself of it too.
blackmore4 6 months ago
@akuma4u: And how is suicide bombing even related to this issue that you're bringing it in here?!! lol.. the topic here is whether or not use of musical instruments is prohibited in Islam, regardless of what the lyrics of a song has to convey.
bagh98 7 months ago
@bagh98 because it seems as though suicide bombings are being tolerated more than songs of peace. and what do songs of peace and humanity have to do with alcoholic drinking ? i Have no idea why you associated the two. and FYI, I will listen to songs of peace and humanity with musical instruments over any hate filled speech about killing others or non believers or infidels any day of the week. Love, tolerance and peace is > hatred, intolerance and killing
akuma4u 7 months ago
@akuma4u: Suicide bombing is prohibited and I agree with you that we all should be more vocal against it. And I used alcohol as an example to prove my case (which I'm not sure you did) that a song may have halal lyrics, but the whole song would become haram if anything haram accompanies it; be that alcohol (as in the case of club/disco songs), or musical instruments (only if it's haram)...and I think you din't read my other comment in which I answered your question before, scroll down a bit.
bagh98 7 months ago
i think some music is halal, depending on the message of the song
doghartdon 7 months ago
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi.
aslamartnet 7 months ago
Hell on earth. This miserable suffocating, anti-human, anti-life 'ideology' will end as it began. By human hand. And every free decent human-being will have their fingers on its septic neck.
blackmore4 7 months ago
The argument applies equally to sportsmen who have passion for sports, writers who have passion for words, cooks who have passion for cooking. Come on, this is no justification, we can all see the problem, it is after all, not easy to prove and justify a lie. Inviting humanity to the best of all Hadiths , the miracle of miracles , the holy Qur'an
dhakagod 8 months ago
what an idiot
timjohan 9 months ago
What a joke pretty sure your false prophet used the instrument of his voice. There is good and bad music plain and simple. Makes sense they ban instruments it is the only proof that we have a soul and have emotion.
silentbehn180 9 months ago
I really don't know why god would give us such beautiful ways to express ourselves like art and music and then forbid us to use them. Especially when such beautiful things can pass through any language,cultural or religious beliefs and bring people from all backgrounds together with a common interest. Surely a loving god would want that relationship built between his sons and daughters?
riceburnagtv 10 months ago
@riceburnagtv brother this is a test from allah. temtations and desires if you give up somthing for the sake of allah he will replace it with somthing better. in a hadith when allah created heaven and hell he put temtation and desire around hell and strugle around paradise long hadith search it when allah asked the angel to look at heaven and hell. i think its in bukhari al muslim im not sure may allah keep us away from these temtaions. im not perfect reminder for myself. we all hve shortcumings
SuperL1on 9 months ago
@SuperL1on Well I'm sorry but living a life without such pleasures in the hope of a beautiful afterlife seems silly to me. Why not live life to its fullest now? It's all about energy,what positive energy do you bring to peoples lives,what do you bring for yourself.its not about following a structured regimented religion that only takes stops you from meeting people outside your own religion,god wouldn't want that he would want you to respect all and contribute to the world.
riceburnagtv 9 months ago
@TheProphetMo u do know that there are like millions of muslims in america right? But we still live in peace. What u see in the media isnt islam. Get to know a good muslim before u judge. Media can make good things look bad.
0iDEK0 10 months ago
@revengeoftheturnip: Islam is a cockroach that scurries away in fear when you switch on the light of logic.
It is the used condom that prevents the birth of true wisdom.
Islam is just a shit stain on the underpants of civilisation.
It is like a scar on the face of a beautiful woman.
Islam is the stench that arises from the vomit of islamic history.
It is as useless as an extra hole in your ass.
Let's not betray our humanity - let's all stone islam to death.
You know it makes sense.
TheProphetMo 10 months ago
@TheProphetMo I think the same of Christianity.
riceburnagtv 9 months ago
@revengeoftheturnip:
I suppose 1 bedroom is for you, and the other three are for the illegal immigrants you rent to.
Washing yourself 500 times a day will not clean away the poisonous stink and stains of your death cult.
You may possess what you think is a great achievment, but you lack one thing that gives pleasure to millions - a sense of humour.
Now go and wash your asshole again - its time to go pray to your monkey head god allah.
Islam is a huge F-ALLAH-CY!
TheProphetMo 10 months ago
@revengeoftheturnip:
Ass slimy alley scum.
I have seven wives, 2 husbands, 47 children, 43 goats, 13 pigs, 1 horse, 9 camelsand 1 rhino.
I live in a 1 bedroom apartment overlooking the Mecca abbatoir (so we see lots of lovely blood), and I attend my local witches coven on mondays and saturdays.
For 3 months I have not washed (in honour of allah) and I shaved my pubic hair and glued it to my beard so people will think I am even more wise.
Thank you for your interest in my beautiful existance.
TheProphetMo 10 months ago
@revengeoftheturnip:
A guide for muslims:
1. Do not fart into the face of those behind you in the mosque.
2. If you pick your nose, do not wipe your finger on the koran.
3. If you're a child and the imam wants to fuck you - smile!
4. If you're a woman and the imam wants to fuck you - charge him £20.
5. If you don't face mecca when praying, your mother is a whore.
6. If you are menstruating, you're probably a woman.
7. When ramadan comes, go clubbing!
8. Always remember you are second class.
TheProphetMo 10 months ago
@TheProphetMo Since you hate muslims so much.why are u on a muslim sight? Hell is a place of Ambush and for the Disbeliver a place of Destination..
dimpsey3 9 months ago
how r video games harram??? sometimes i just dont get my own religon lol
qu7aker 10 months ago
@TheProphetMo Why should anything be taken seriously from someone who has as their username "TheProphetMo", who uses their time to insult and ridicule? Surely you lack dignity and integrity.
mo98183 11 months ago
@TheProphetMo I think depression is rife within your western societies who lack spirituality. We have acceptable nasheed, we have the recitation of the Quran, we have acceptable jokes, fun with family, friends and community. We do not need isolation with music, to be in a trance, or be preoccupied with things that are not beneficial.
Anti-depressant pills is big business in the west.
mo98183 11 months ago
which lecture is this?
Kainthemain 1 year ago
Anyone can say anything about the prophet, but gone are the days when people would confirm his hadith by comparing with Qur'an, nowadays people confirm qur'an by comparing to hadith. where in Qur'an is music boldly mentioned to be haram??? Open challenge to Bilal Phillips who spreads nothing but hatred. watch his hate speech against shia's, against christians and jews.
How could music be Haraam? Allah is not a hypocrite. He put music in water, in air, on the shores, in the tree leaves and cosmos
marcstylzzz 1 year ago
not even once MUSIC AND ART is mentioned in the QURAN! if this person was in my country right now,no one would listen to him in the middle east, Arabs created the OUD and many others things, I dont care about him and no one will follow him, keep your sick brainwash to yourself, and dont put words in our PROPHETS MOUTH! MOHAMMAD PEACE be upon him. the only excuse they say music is haram, is because, they believe humans are not trusted, they can pisst off, i had off backwardness.
Ammo150 1 year ago
Musics that are haram are the ones that distracts you from the reality, which is; you're in this world for a test, not for merely enjoying life on earth which is unpredictably short.
I believe most of the world's population listens to songs that doesn't touch any God issue.
LuminousCleric 1 year ago
@LuminousCleric music isnt haram period
3lbiamira 1 year ago
@3lbiamira Anything that leads to haram is haram.
dislam.org/content/view/302/35/
LuminousCleric 1 year ago
@LuminousCleric Yes ur right but in this case not music:) Music is beautiful why would it be haram?
3lbiamira 1 year ago
@3lbiamira Music does leads to haram. A person who listens to music more, will not enjoy Quran recitations as much as he does with music. Obviously then he would seek for joy more, and that's one of the beginnings of a Muslim's downfall.
LuminousCleric 11 months ago
@LuminousCleric:
Of course people enjoy music more than the koran.
For the simple reason that its far more beautiful, and does not need invention.
In the whole world, music is the biggest selling art form there is, and it is getting more and more popular every day.
It wont be long before music drowns out the hideous voice of islam permanently.
La la la la - allah is a fallacy.
TheProphetMo 11 months ago
It's no wonder Muslims are such a morose and miserable bunch! Music bad? It's the old concept of throwing the baby out with the bathwater: because you don't like suggestive and obscene lyrics in the most provacative modern music, you're going to turn against the Mozarts of this world? Why must everything in Islam be so frought with paranoia? Once again I say -- it's ISLAM which is HARAM.
Painterly51 1 year ago
To those who endorse music, would you dare say it's better or more worthy of your ears or beneficial to your soul than Al Quran? For sure no. Don't trade the best for that which is haram, doubtful, or even second-rate. Don't let shaytan make you go astray by tricking you into thinking your reasoning is above scholars knowledge. Too ask questions and argue too much is a sign of weak iman
UmmSundus 1 year ago
Okay, why is Music hiram? Sheikh Bilal just rambled on. Why is it hiram? Why? What is so bad about it? How about good music? Is that saying that we shouldn't listen to music at all, because it's addicting? Rubbish. I hate this fanatical talk. So what?
ezimokha 1 year ago
This guy spent quite some time researching why Music is haram
he could have wrapped it up this way: creativity and individuality is haram,
It has it's way to ur heart. it has a stronger abilty to appeale to more human nature than islam and who knows: god forbid u might even stop hating all the universe around u. We do not want that, do we?
intushabitat 1 year ago
@intushabitat You're an idiot. There is nothing wrong with individuality and creativity. Music is not the only form of creative expression. Art and literature are actually encouraged. The only restriction on art as well is the prohibition against drawing any sort of creature.
ISMASHYOUBRO 11 months ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO
Let me get this right
You're saying no stifling of creativity and individual taste as long as its not music or portraits of creatures.Contradictory isn't it! What were you thinking when you wrote me this note?
Hahahaha
that's the funniest thing I ever read
intushabitat 11 months ago
Art is allowed with some restrictions as decreed by the creator believed by the Muslims. There is no contradiction in it. Islam's view of art is much different. Art is broad and to subjugate it to music and faces on pictures is ridiculous. Your basis for saying that Islam prevents creativity is false b/c:
1) You only present two reasons for this as if they are the end-all-be-all for art - from how I saw it
2) This assumption fails to falsify the religion.
Good day to you and yours.
ISMASHYOUBRO 11 months ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO
Music dear is art. People like bethoven mozart shubert vivaldi bach etc... have in their own way reflected inherent beauty whose only sourse is God. Same can be told about great painters.
If your god thinks their works are ridiculous then your god should definitely seek psychological help
intushabitat 11 months ago
Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wassalam) said that one of the signs of the end are Muslims making Music halal .. If i could find the hadith I would, but im 100% sure about it. Salaams
Neyney7hug1ady 1 year ago
@Neyney7hug1ady “And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…”
(Luqmaan 31:6)
1-Abdullah bin Masud(may Allaah be pleased with him) , a very close companion of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) said about it three times;
"By ALLAH this refers to singing and music"
(Ibn Kathir 3/451)
nosherwanh 1 year ago
@nosherwanh 2-Abdullah bin Abbas(may Allaah be pleased with him) ,again a very knowledgable companion of the Holy Prophet (PBUH), said "this means singing".
{Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40}.
3-Abdullah bin Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) also is reported to have said the same. {see Ibn al-Qayyam's narration below}
nosherwanh 1 year ago
@nosherwanh 4-Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). {Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40}
5-Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this verse was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments.
{Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451}
nosherwanh 1 year ago
Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:
that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful....
{Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.7 Hadith No.5590}
nosherwanh 1 year ago
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@nosherwanh u know what means to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” ?
read surah
korgpadude 1 year ago
@nosherwanh yeah the word music didnt exist in the location/time period. so maybe we should re-think a bit.
niggerfuckshitreborn 10 months ago
@Neyney7hug1ady Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:
that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful....
{Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.7 Hadith No.5590}
nosherwanh 1 year ago
@nosherwanh what copies of the Bukhari are you gettin these references from as i have the Darrusalam copies ??
dunknwitsiffy 7 months ago
@dunknwitsiffy just open the book of Drinks and start reading... you'll find it inshaAllah
nosherwanh 7 months ago
@dunknwitsiffy Im just curious why your copy of bukhari doesnt have that hadith about music, its a famous hadith used by many scholars.
whitejewel101 6 months ago
@Neyney7hug1ady I am confident your prophet did in fact say something as moronic as you suggest. Beautiful music has been the salvation of so many people for thousands of years. It warms the heart, and makes us more better people. But of course even the highest expressions of humanity in music and in art were belittled by your dwarf prophet -- who was afraid of losing his place in the limelight. Muslims everywhere would be so much better off if they would only OPEN their hearts to beauty.
Painterly51 1 year ago
@Neyney7hug1ady The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi.
aslamartnet 7 months ago
You poor poor people, you just don't stand a chance, you have to feel bad about so much. Drilled into you from day one.
So much difficulty and hardship in anyones progress through life and this man finds his defining moment is a stultifying meandering "lecture" about how listening to or playing a piano is soul corrupting. Sad beyond description.
arklowrockz 1 year ago
@arklowrockz I feel quite good, actually :)
fandanstan 1 year ago
@fandanstan I don't doubt it lad;;)
arklowrockz 1 year ago
I am confused is music haram or halal in islam?
salam from Mexico
cesaryusuf 1 year ago
@cesaryusuf
Asaalaam Aleykem
The majority of it is haraaam. I would say the better way is to stay away from all music. If you go back into the era of Kabeel the son of Adam. Thats when the shaytan introduced the flute to Kabeels people and thus they began to dance and sing.
Just stay away from music. Its Ibless's tool used to distract the slaves of Allah from the the afterlife. The ears of a true believer can never get enough of listening to the Quran. Let alone the heart !!!
LearnToReadTheKuran 1 year ago
Yes I hate Music, Girls so I wlll never marry, Drugs, yes i will never seek Medcine when i am sick, or I am going to go to hell, oh and I can't watch TV, since i will be thinking it is a real world in the little Square box, ahhh now I fell free,
TheSilverSultan4 1 year ago
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CptForrestGump 1 year ago
Omg this is so so so stupid poor deprived and brainwashed Moslems that actually follow such a stupid teaching.
sarachopek 1 year ago
@sarachopek Yeah i used to be one of them. How can any God be against anything so beautiful. Music.
adoubled321 1 year ago
Why listen to music when you should be listening to the Quran ?
LearnToReadTheKuran 1 year ago
@LearnToReadTheKuran can't u do both, or the world will end if you try?
TheSilverSultan4 1 year ago
@TheSilverSultan4
You do what ever you want to do ? You need my permission ?
LearnToReadTheKuran 1 year ago
Music is the universal language. It's the only language the human soul understands by heart. So if you believe in a God that created us, then it wouldn't be far-fetched to say that Music is the language closest to God. The sad part is the societies that have denied themselves the full expression of music. The result of this caused a musical evolution only to take place in Europa through the classical composers like Beethoven, Bach, Chopin and so on, everyone else lagged behind more or less.
InSaneTK 1 year ago
@InSaneTK Apart from the fact that rhythm, a fundamental part of music did not develop beyond the most basic divisions in Europe while in Africa their polyrhythms were so far advanced the west didn't even understand them. The fusing of these two elemets: western harmony and african rhythms made ragtime, blues, jazz and near enough all popular music today. So it is quite wrong to state music only evolved in the west.
jujumatt 1 year ago
@jujumatt That's quite true, but in one of Beethoven's last Piano pieces he actually wrote a segment that is exactly like ragtime, 70 years before any other trace of that style emerged. :P
InSaneTK 1 year ago
@InSaneTK I think you mean Golliwog's Cakewalk by Debussy. But please send anything by Beethoven that sounds like ragtime I'd be interested (and amazed). :P
jujumatt 1 year ago
As an African-American Muslim revert for over 20 years and a student of history, I know that the journey to freedom from slavery for my people also encompassed music. It was through what is called "negro spirituals," where other slaves were giving each other codes through songs on how to escape or to make way to the path what's known as the Underground Railroad to freedom. I would not be here, by ALLAH's (SWT) permission, without that history which included music. ALLAH (SWT) knows best.
brooklynstudent73 1 year ago
@brooklynstudent73 So WHY would you be a convert to Islam????
Painterly51 1 year ago
The end is near.. subhanallah Muslims keep making haram music these days!
and the Prophet pbuh warned of this!! and it came true
MuslimahUnity 1 year ago
@MuslimahUnity when is the end really, is it 2012, or tommorow, u must have powers
TheSilverSultan4 1 year ago
@TheSilverSultan4
No not 2012, Allah has gave us signs to bring us to the end of the world, and many of them have come true, but the major signs have not yet happend.
MuslimahUnity 1 year ago
@MuslimahUnity The end is near UNLESS you start listening to music! Wake up you fools! How can you reject that which you don't know?
Painterly51 1 year ago
musical instruments are haram because they can effect the emotions of the people. there is a hadith that says a man was playing an instrument and he played it one way and the people laughed and then another way and the people cried then another way and the people fell asleep so it has physical and emotional effects over us
jalilsaif 1 year ago
@jalilsaif go read the Quran, not Hadiths written hundred of years later after the Prophets death, and after the rightly guided caliphs, by kings like Yazid who tried to control all of their peoples lives, Hadiths are bull
TheSilverSultan4 1 year ago
@TheSilverSultan4 Wallahi thats a horrible thing to say, so i guess you don't pray like me or other muslims because thats from the sunnah and the ahadith. Only the duffs are excepted, I mean all of the shuyukh that I've heard say music is haram also the four Madhahib say the same so i mean In the quran i never read where Allah(SWT) says music is halal.
jalilsaif 1 year ago
@jalilsaif As with all things in this world, there is good music and bad. Just like there are good people and bad. Why can't Muslims be permitted to choose for themselves?
Painterly51 1 year ago
can somebody,anybody show me proof by way of the words of the quran that music is haraam? or have the masses rejected the QURAN and replaced it with words of men? lewd lyrics,violent messages by way of video yes we all agree but ALL MUSIC? give me proof by way of what was sent down by ALLAH(S.W.T.).
jamiirali1 1 year ago
I'm not a muslim but i've read the Quran and some Hadiths
(i know it doesn't make me an expert) and can say the ONLY real Muslims are the Saudis. The rest are a bunch of Munafiq.Your prophet Muhammed was a very morally evolved and sincere man.
rogvr781 1 year ago
@rogvr781 This based on what exactly?
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@fucknuaf
They are hypocrites, the first thing that comes to mind when thinking of European Muslims is crime,prostitution(pimps),violence, honor killings,rude behavior,drugs etc. pretty much the opposite what Islam teaches.
rogvr781 1 year ago
@rogvr781 ...but most if not all of those "muslim" trouble makers in europe are of arabic, turkish, pakistani origin?!. The genetic Europeans who convert more often than not becomes devout and the kind of muslims that educates themselves. Also if you read the Quran take a look at Surah 9 verses 97-98. The keyword is "Al-aAArabu" look it up in an classical arabic dictionary like "Lanes". It is not like Saudi Arabia is a beacon of light and justice, is it?
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@fucknuaf
"It is not like Saudi Arabia is a beacon of light and justice, is it"
But they are consistent with the teachings of Islam.While this cannot be said for most muslim countrys.
rogvr781 1 year ago
@rogvr781 If they were truely following Islam to point, it would be a place of justice, with elected rulers. It would be a place people would flock to, not out of duty, but because it inspired them to be there. So while I agree that they are pretty consistent in what they do, I think it is a bad thing. And even this is a truth with more to it than the plain obvious. Look up "wahabism" and "petro Islam" and realise that in the historical context , they are anything but consistent.
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@fucknuaf
Well i didn't claim them to be the "perfect Muslims" but we agree they come closest to sharia law.A perfect Islamic Khalifat never existed in history so one has to measure by this standard.
Islam has branched apart just like any other religion to suit local traditions and customs hence it remains in the eye of the beholder how we define orthodoxy.
Metaphorically speaking as an example: ask 10 Muslims about the prohibition on Music or Alcohol and you'll get 10 different answers.
rogvr781 1 year ago
@rogvr781 its not muslim opinion that make islam,islam has laws n principles,if they have no knowledge of being guide by unqualified or pretented scholars..you will b on the wrong path,its easy to diffenciate halal n haram,firstly,lets do our SHAADAH..SWALAT,ROZA,ZAKKAaT....HAJ ....IF its FARZ on the person,follow mohammad[s.a.w]..its the best way don't go on discussing n arguing n derived from its evil plot......may allh guide us ALL..ameen asslm
oomarlestipondan 1 year ago
@oomarlestipondan "its easy to diffenciate halal n haram". I agree entirely. See verses; 6:151-152, 7:33, 6:145, 4:23-24 etc... Not a word about music in the whole Quran though. But perhaps you think God forgot to put it in the book he calls exhaustive? (meaning, that nothing has been left out).
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@rogvr781 Also,to me it looks like they are getting the bulk of their sharia law primarily from the Bible and not the Quran. Stoning, circumcision, killing apostates and homosexuals etc..
fucknuaf 1 year ago
masha allah ilearn so much right now may allah bless this guy
shagge333 1 year ago
It can be easily proved that the hadith does not in any way explain the Quran and that the "Sahih Bukhari" is not worth the papers it is printed on.
For evidence please refer to, and check all references of "Sahih Al-Bukhary" by Dr. Muhammed Muhsin Khan, Islamic University, Medina Al-Munawwara. Publisher "Kitab Bhavan, New Delhi, which is the Nine volume encyclopedia. Vol. 6 of "Sahih Al-Bukhary" is devoted to the explanation of the Quran (Tafsir).
fijiandevil 1 year ago
The other eight volumes prescribe things like drinking camels urine to cure fevers (vol 7, hadith no 590), burning people first and then their houses if they do not go the mosque on time, (vol.1, hadith no.626), dreaming of undressing women (vol 9, hadith no.139 and 140), using shoes to garland camels (Vol 2, hadith no 763), and other such non-sense.
fijiandevil 1 year ago
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this video is stupid
TheCrocoduck 1 year ago
And read the biography of Bukhari, Muslim, Aboe Dawoed, Tirmidie etc. these are a couple of names of people who collected ahadeeth.
Then u will see who these persons where and how great theyre knowledge was.
And how correct these people were.
And about the Sunnah and the essence of it, i would recommend u all to read the biographys of great scholars ('ulamaa) like Al-Albaanie, Uthaymeen, Ahmed, Hanbaal, Bin Bas etc. and also their books about 'aqeedah and other topics.
youffes 1 year ago
@youffes According to his biography. Bukhari collected 600.000 hadith. Of those 600.000 a mere 6.000+ made it into his collection. This means that people at the time had no problems what so ever lying through their teeth about the prophet. That is a hit rate of 1%. On what authority did Bukhari and his likes operate? God? prove it. What are their authority and where did they get it from?
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@youffes "Say 'Do you see that which God has provided for you, you make some of it Unlawful (Haram) and some of it Lawful (Halal)?. Say 'Did God allow you to do this? Or do you tell lies about God?" (10:59)
fucknuaf 1 year ago
there are people and shayateen who drop comments on clips just to make islam look bad and make muslims turn away from their religion wich is Islaam.
they are trying to make u doubt about ur religion.
Don't fall 4 their tricks may Allah guide u.
And may Allah make their plans and efforts worthless!
They are the losers in this earthly life and they will be the losers in the ageera.
youffes 1 year ago
@youffes Completely absurd. Personally I am asking for evidence for your claims. You insist that music is haram and I demand evidence as the Quran requires of me. Muslims are to investigate all things they hear as part of our belief system. So if you are a muslim you know that only God can make new law. Thus for music to be haram there must be a perfectly clear ayat in the Quran that states so. Please show this ayat. If you cannot, then you are just another person who took his priests for gods.
fucknuaf 1 year ago
May Allah (swt) guide us all. If u think logically u would know why music is haraam.
Everyone knows zina is haraam, swearing is haraam, talking about ur sins is haraam, inviting people to do haraam things is haraam and so on and so on.
What do the musicians we know? Where do they sing about? Listen to the lyrics of 50 cent, T.I. , Usher, Rihanna actually every musician sings or raps about something haraam!
youffes 1 year ago
@youffes Ridiculous and flawed logic. How about all the Delta blues musicians who sung about life and their faith in God? How about Gospel? How about techno which contains no lyrics. All you are doing is trying to wrap ill logic around your own pet bias. Music is a medium, the same way a book is. It is not the medium but what you choose to fill in it that makes it what it is.
fucknuaf 1 year ago
Hadeeth
Bukhari was very carefull selecting the hadeeth. If there was someone in the chain of delivery not a good person or what so ever he wouldn't take the hadeeth from him.
This only shows u how extremely carefull these Hadeeth were selected.
The Sunnah is the only way in Islaam. Without the Sunnah u wouldn't understand the Quraan for 100 percent and without the Quraan u wouldn't understand the Sunnah for 100 percent. Quraan and Sunnah go hand in hand.
youffes 1 year ago
@youffes So God is bluffing when he stats in the Quran that the Quran is: the Book that makes things clear (44.2) that is, "...explained in detail." (6.114)", and "consistent with itself" (39.23) etc. Nowhere in the Quran is God telling us that we cannot understand it, or that it ineeds other explanations. on the contrary. It constantly remind us that it is easy to understand.
fucknuaf 1 year ago
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@ fucknuaf
First of all i have 2 say u have a very religious nickname ;)
i quote: " I am not a member of any sect within Islam. I am not Sunni, Suffi, Shiah, Submitter or any other cult" but u also say: "I take guidence from the Quran and thus I follow God and the footsteps of his messenger" this makes u a SUNNI following the footsteps of muhammed (pbuh).
And the hadeeth wich weren't Saheeh it wasn't because a part were made up but because of the chain of people who delivered the
youffes 1 year ago
Not true.. He said that you can use music any way you want ... but never let you take away from Islam, i simply dont agree with him on this one.
thetruth786110 1 year ago
I don't like listening to Shiekh Bilal. Not to be mean but he always comes off as arrogant to me.
alwaystvxq08 1 year ago
what they taught us about the prophet was his sunna , if you have a problem with hadith pl;ease at the very least dont lie about its advent and then claim falsely that it came 200 years after the prophet . i challenge you to find out when the first recorded hadith was written and if it was written in the time of the prophet? please answer my question about how we would perform any of our 5 pillars correctly if the information on how to perform them was not written in the authentic hadith?
jim
sunniman100 1 year ago
@sunniman100 Heavens no, it is up to YOU to provide evidence of any earlier works than ca.200 years after his death. There is rumours that it was started earlier, but I have seen no evidence of this, but plenty that they were not written down into kanon volumes untill atleast 200 years after MOhammed death. Also, just because you see muslims have a certain behaviour and do not find it in the Quran does not mean the Quran is not complete and needs Bukharis explanations of it.
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@sunniman100 now here is a little math test. Accoding to Bukhari himself, he collected close to 600.000 hadith during his run, and of those 600.000 less than 6.000 made it into the vol.umes we know as his hadith collections today. How much time did he spend on verfifying each of the 600.000 hadiths? Is it troubling that Mohammed relative contemporaries had no problems with lying through their teeth about him since about 90% of what Bukhari picked up he belived to be lies on the spot!
fucknuaf 1 year ago
fucking asshole he's fucking perverted!! he can not represent islam!!!! he says cuz guitar's shape is like a woman's body...FUCKING PERVERT! in my opinion he's not said anything new on nothing...i am a muslim and i create and listen to music...it's spiritual,it makes me thank god for creating something so beautiful
hmfvunit 1 year ago
@hmfvunit: I'm the same as you. I play the acoustic guitar, piano (classically trained for 11 years), and harmonica. I used to think it was haram, so I stopped for a while, but after having read so many contradictions pertaining to it, I'm convinced it's halal. There's only ONE source of Hadith that says it's haram, and NO OTHER SOURCES, HADITH OR QURAN to back it up, therefore it's considered weak. And al-Bukhari has also mentioned that that particular hadith has a broken chain of narrators.
shinaz000 1 year ago
@shinaz000 =) u don't know how happy i am to see you supporting music, i thought i was like the only 1..and i thought i was kaffir
hmfvunit 1 year ago
@hmfvunit: No way, you're not kaffir, and you and I are not the only ones who support music. Check this out: youtubeDOTcome/watch?v=Xy4PUw6stfw&feature=related he's a highly educated Sheikh with 2 PhDs :)
shinaz000 1 year ago
Pathetic . . . .
FCombatant 1 year ago
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LondonF0g 1 year ago
is thiss wahhabi nigger a sheikh???
10metrocool 1 year ago
what a waste of time. No where in quran says that music is haram. God knows why these people misrepresent islam and introduce such ideas to mainstream young mind. Allah himself created rhythm and music even in our own bodies just listen to your heat beats and you would know what i mean.
Spring595 1 year ago
@Spring595: 100% agreed. We're MADE of music. Our voice is a natural musical instrument. Everything that surrounds us is music. As for the fact that people say string instruments are haram because they play with the emotions, what's wrong with that? Not ALL emotions are bad. We can't deny our emotions as human beings. I personally listen to good music (folk, country, classical), and it reminds me of how beautiful Allah is to create such beauty.
shinaz000 1 year ago
Of course making images and music is haram if you follow the Hadith. But the scholars know the modern world can't work without photography, news or medical drawings so they conveniently make an acception, even though the Hadith emphatically forbids the making of pictures of any living things! Forget the Hadith and don't follow scholars (they're just angry men who want to be adored like Gods and warriors). Read the Quran that has been provided and let your own conscience lead the way! SMILE! :-)
JimWAllan 1 year ago
@JimWAllan Hadith DOES have a place, but it can never supersede the Qur'an. We must even be careful with might NOT be our "own" conscience. The music debate will never end. Qur'an doesn't forbid it, but hadith does. Too many place hadith above Qur'an, and of course, when they're face to face w/this, always resort to the "does the Qur'an tell us exactly how to make salat" argument, which in reality, is irrelevant in many instances.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@JimWAllan
Can you please provide the appropriate hadith that prohibits Imagery and music along with its sources?
noreply711 1 year ago
@noreply711 nevermind the hadith. what does the Quran state?
fucknuaf 1 year ago
The Hadith again!! This book is making Muslims the laughing stock of the world. Stupid angry Santa Clauses and Storm Trooper women! Just follow the Quran that has been provided and forget all these silly superstitions. Grow a beard if you want! Change your name if you want. Pray how YOU feel is right otherwise what is the worth of doing it like a robot? Does God prefer you to copy others or follow your heart? Don't follow the Hadith or scholars who support it. The Quran is the ONLY eternal book!
JimWAllan 1 year ago
@JimWAllan I'd say, in answering ur ?, a little of both. We r individuals, but also have collective rules, salat being one. Our hearts, especially under the influence of ungodly influences, aren't necessarily as pure as we'd like, so we have to put, following "it" in perspective. Laughing stock? depends on the issue. In some cases, we have to follow what Qur'an says, "laugh now, cry later". Societies that promote homosexuality & other immorality r Allah's "laughing stock". That's the ultimate.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@JimWAllan follow your heart?
dont trust hadith?
the quran instructs us to follow every command of our prophet, where do we find these commands? where else but the very hadith you say not to follow may all guide you. if it wasnt for hadith we wouldnt be able to call pray, pray properly the way the prophet taught us, we couldnt fast ,or pay charity ,or even do the holy pilgrimage
please stop misguiding people with you follow your hearts diatribe
sunniman100 1 year ago
@sunniman100 The Koran states explicitly that the messenger's duty was only to convey (Balagh) the message (Koran 29:18) contained in the Koran (Koran 69:44) and that the Koran was the only Wahi (revelation) given to the prophet to be conveyed to people (Koran 6:19), by testimony of God Himself. The Koran also historically predates any written Hadith and there is no mention of Hadith or the Sunna of the Prophet in what we possess as writings before the third century after the prophet.
JimWAllan 1 year ago
@sunniman100 Do you really believe the Sun and Moon 'ride on chariots'? If you believe the Hadith to be genuine, how do you decide what bits to follow? God would not have allowed a book where some parts are genuine and others false (or what some call 'weak'). Many pre-Islamic rituals, superstitions and fashions have survived in the Hadith. Unfortunately, most muslims prefer to obey nasty scholars and family traditions rather than find the true path to God. They can only hope that God accepts.
JimWAllan 1 year ago
@sunniman100 Where does the Quran tell us about Bukhari and the monumental work him and his students are about to undertake 200 years after Mohammed has died, that will rise to as important a position as the Quran? Just give me the ayat number please. If you cant, then I see no reason to trust this Bukhari fellow when he tells us that the nonsense he collected is the sayings of the same man who delivered the Quran to us. Or perhaps I am just to "take his word for it?" is that it ?
fucknuaf 1 year ago