Nobody would be able to control anyone or anything if the monetary system was abolished. It's time for change. The ONLY answer is resource base economy. That's why I support the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project - THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THE MADNESS!!!
These 15 minutes of Chomsky narrating the recent history of the Middle East is more informative than the years of agenda--driven drivel we've been fed from our despicable media.
Long may you live Professor Chomsky, you're an inspiration to us rational progressives.
@LiberalJerseyman You're wrong there fella. Islamic theocracy as you put it has ironically thrived under US interventionism. As you may recall the Middle East back in the 60s and 70s was fertile ground for secular, nationalist movements that had shown a separation of Church and State. It was the US and Israel who destroyed these movements, which left a vacuum filled by Islamic extremists.
Its also ironic how the US's biggest ally in the region - Saudi Arabia, is the most extreme Islamic state.
@hama666 you don't know anything,, you are just following the media and what other tells you. you can't figure out the fact that Saudi Arabia would love to hear that us government is dead. Saudi Arabia is forced to follow.. how is that possibe?? call back the death of the king Faisal when he opposed US... man go read
@Anaahushak I have no idea what you just said. And how am I 'following' the media when my views are the exact polar opposite of what's being dictated by them.
@hama666. Saudia Arabia is not an islamic state. No islamic state exists in the entire world. Saudia is a Monarchy installed by the British. Research the House of Saud and you will find that the British installed this regime.
@hama666 My previous professor believed that the Ayotollah was proped up by the West as a buffer against Soviet Expansion. Also it is documented that Israel used Hamas as a wedge against the PLO. Cant forget the Mujadeen in Afghanistan as well.
As long as the US administration works with that pure materialistic pragmatic philosophy, it simply will REALLY lose the middle east, which will simply use its resources to build its own bases that have been destroyed through centuries by foreign occupations, and misleading politics. Unfortunately, i think the USA will never change, specially with Israel's burden over its back !! Israel wont give the USA a chance to change, and will lead to bringing it into crisis as they always do in history
Get Professor Chomsky's book titled Hopes & Prospects, it tells you what's really going on in these times we live in. It's a heavy book but worth it if you want to know the facts, or you can follow the "ignorance is bliss" philosophy. Much respect for people like Prof Chomsky & finkelstein, much respect to Democracy Now.
I disagreed with him on minor things before, but this video makes him a conspiracy theorist, pure and simple. If the Arab world is changing then our policy towards them changes as well. Before we could just talk with their leaders to settle things, now we have to win their harts and minds.
@Uhmu45 Conspiracy? Democracy in Arab world would provide they start making autonomous decisions to which countries to export their oil. It's a basic common sense that Western countries as current major consumers (because they have good deals with dictatorships in those countries) do not like that.
@Uhmu45 But then again, of course you're right. You obviously know more than a respected linguist, philosopher, social activist and professor. YOU should be giving this speech.
Stop labeling people - conspiracy or not, go read a book and get your head out of your ass.
He has no facts for that. Doesn't matter what degree or status he has. Thats just a argument from authority.
His world view: they have oil, we want it no matter how, democratic regimes would not sell us oil ergo we will fight democracy there with tooth and nail. He needs to prove these claims not just state them. He sounds very much like a conspiracy theorist right now.
@Uhmu45 No he doesnt make an authoritative argument, he gives many many examples! How do you explain why the US supported Egypt's old dictator- and countless others, while sometimes the US invade countries claiming they want to restore democracy? Why aren't the US fighting for democracy in Africa? It's so plain a truth, it's common knowledge (except in certain parts of the US lol).
What should we have done with dictators there. Thats a good question. If we started ignoring them or making sanctions because they were dictatorships who were brutal against their own people we would have no leverage over what the country does, they would stonewalled us like iran does now. If we would talk with them or try to negotiate with dictatorships and gain leverage like that we would be seen as hypocrites.
Because they are hypocrites.Duh! The US and any other country has a value based foreign policy when its in their national interest and when they have the resources to do it.At times supporting freedom and democracy is easy because it doesn't cost anything, at other times you cant just take your army and drive in Egypt and declare democracy, it would not work. You may dislike the dictators nature but if you don't see any reasonable option to get rid of him, you play along with him.
@Uhmu45 Ok, so you are saying that when it doesnt cost money or resources, the US will support democracy, else they will cope with the naughty dictators- hence dismissing the fact they might actively support a dictator (when it earns them money). Well well, I will look out for example for you. Here is one.
" Ronald Reagan – the great hero of the US right – was a great champion of jihadism. It was Reagan who encouraged Pakistan simultaneously to become fundamentalist, and acquire nuclear weapons. Chomsky coolly condemns "the global jihad launched by Zia and Reagan," for geopolitical reasons, with no concern for the after-effects." - and when I have time I will look for the original sources- meanwhile I'm sure knowledgeable people can help.
First its always easy to be a smart-ass after the fact. We are all doctors in hindsight. Reagen wanted to fight USSR in Afghanistan and the jihadis were willing to fight and die. That was US policy throughout the cold war, the superpowers were paranoid about each other.Would have Reagan acted differently if he would have know what we know now? The thing is he did not know it. If chomsky would have know that this would happen and told us that back then, then i would be impressed.
@Uhmu45 It doesnt matter that Reagan didnt forsee the future (or didnt care). The point is the US (and any country that could pbly) will do anything in their power to keep 'stability' - have things going their way; this includes setting up jihads (oops, it was the cold war) and pampering dictators- while claiming they are the country of freedom (my ass) that promotes democracy (yes yes, by bypassing international law like it didnt exist).
Well i would say things have changed a lot since the cold war. The cold war policy was to keep anyone who is against the USSR in power and it did not matter much if he is a dictator and murderer or not. Times have changed. Soft power matters more nowadays. And the cold war context is important. The people in the cold war had an other paradigm of thinking. We worry about terrorism and oil they worried about nukes. They had irrational fears that we don't have, not by a long shot.
@Uhmu45 so what about the Shah, Saddam, Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Musharraf, Suharto...? Aren't those dicators backed or propped by the US (without speaking of Bin Laden hehe).
@Uhmu45 No they will not sell us. They will sell us some of it of course, but maybe by different price. There's China arising as the biggest consumer that can pay more than western countries as well so without military presence there will be no secure oil supply for the west. Or you think that hundreds of thousands NATO soldiers are on a vacation in the middle east?
We don't have much control over the price of oil right now either. If they bush the price too high they will hurt themselves by killing off our economies. Their well-being is tied to our growth. Selling and buying is a win-win situation for everyone. Chinas growth is tied to us too and ours to theirs. The world is connected and if someone big starts to fall it will drag everybody down. So yea they will keep selling their oil because they have a brain.
@Uhmu45 So why the heck is then 50000 NATO soldiers quietly watching and keeps selling weapons to the regimes which in cruelty destroy civil movements like it happens in Bahrain right now. People are not stupid there, some of them want freedom, some women in Saudi Arabia would like to have basic rights like to drive a car. Yet, it's hard to fight dictators supported by West. When they are protesting on the streets and get hit by "made in usa" bullets it feels exactly like Chomsky describes
@Uhmu45 'Win hearts and minds' isn't that what the US said in relation to the Vietnamese? Think it's about time America pulled its imperial tentacles out of foreign nations and gave them some freedom!!
Chomsky is wrong. Eastern Saudi Arabia is not majority Shiite. They're less than 2/5of the population there...
shotsky94 2 months ago
All of this because of oil.
kdwormy 9 months ago
USA will lose alot due to this strategy in Middle east.
They have to gain the public by their side.
that case their intrests will reach the sky.
Its very simple and easy.
and its impossible to restore old regime in egypt once again.
drHanysaad 9 months ago
Why is this guy so smart.. haha every time i read or listen to him i am like; awww shit nigga fucking 5* post.
AdamDLDixon 10 months ago
respect!!!
jimanHK 10 months ago
noam is the best...
demik027 10 months ago
Nobody would be able to control anyone or anything if the monetary system was abolished. It's time for change. The ONLY answer is resource base economy. That's why I support the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project - THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THE MADNESS!!!
willywillyization 10 months ago
These 15 minutes of Chomsky narrating the recent history of the Middle East is more informative than the years of agenda--driven drivel we've been fed from our despicable media.
Long may you live Professor Chomsky, you're an inspiration to us rational progressives.
hama666 10 months ago 6
"...that was Bob Marley."
what?
fakeham 10 months ago
@fakeham
hahah literally had to rewind it and make sure i heard that. I want to hear Bob too!
ingimotomovement 10 months ago
I'm not sure if I agree with Mr. Chomsky on this. The alternative to what U.S. interventionism brings is likely Islamic theocracy.
LiberalJerseyman 10 months ago
@LiberalJerseyman You're wrong there fella. Islamic theocracy as you put it has ironically thrived under US interventionism. As you may recall the Middle East back in the 60s and 70s was fertile ground for secular, nationalist movements that had shown a separation of Church and State. It was the US and Israel who destroyed these movements, which left a vacuum filled by Islamic extremists.
Its also ironic how the US's biggest ally in the region - Saudi Arabia, is the most extreme Islamic state.
hama666 10 months ago 17
@hama666 you don't know anything,, you are just following the media and what other tells you. you can't figure out the fact that Saudi Arabia would love to hear that us government is dead. Saudi Arabia is forced to follow.. how is that possibe?? call back the death of the king Faisal when he opposed US... man go read
Anaahushak 9 months ago
@Anaahushak I have no idea what you just said. And how am I 'following' the media when my views are the exact polar opposite of what's being dictated by them.
hama666 9 months ago
@hama666. Saudia Arabia is not an islamic state. No islamic state exists in the entire world. Saudia is a Monarchy installed by the British. Research the House of Saud and you will find that the British installed this regime.
83976498 9 months ago
@hama666 My previous professor believed that the Ayotollah was proped up by the West as a buffer against Soviet Expansion. Also it is documented that Israel used Hamas as a wedge against the PLO. Cant forget the Mujadeen in Afghanistan as well.
Sagefrakrobatik 8 months ago
@LiberalJerseyman Care to elaborate on that very broad presumption?
Voctron 10 months ago
As long as the US administration works with that pure materialistic pragmatic philosophy, it simply will REALLY lose the middle east, which will simply use its resources to build its own bases that have been destroyed through centuries by foreign occupations, and misleading politics. Unfortunately, i think the USA will never change, specially with Israel's burden over its back !! Israel wont give the USA a chance to change, and will lead to bringing it into crisis as they always do in history
Goonndy 10 months ago
Get Professor Chomsky's book titled Hopes & Prospects, it tells you what's really going on in these times we live in. It's a heavy book but worth it if you want to know the facts, or you can follow the "ignorance is bliss" philosophy. Much respect for people like Prof Chomsky & finkelstein, much respect to Democracy Now.
muslim610 10 months ago
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I disagreed with him on minor things before, but this video makes him a conspiracy theorist, pure and simple. If the Arab world is changing then our policy towards them changes as well. Before we could just talk with their leaders to settle things, now we have to win their harts and minds.
Uhmu45 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 Conspiracy? Democracy in Arab world would provide they start making autonomous decisions to which countries to export their oil. It's a basic common sense that Western countries as current major consumers (because they have good deals with dictatorships in those countries) do not like that.
AdamAnt300 10 months ago
@AdamAnt300
It is conspiracy theory that the west will fight with tooth and nail against democracy in the middle east. This man is deluded.
They would sell us the oil anyhow. Why? Because we can pay.
Uhmu45 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 Why buy it, we can we be selling it?
Vektr1 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 But then again, of course you're right. You obviously know more than a respected linguist, philosopher, social activist and professor. YOU should be giving this speech.
Stop labeling people - conspiracy or not, go read a book and get your head out of your ass.
Vektr1 10 months ago
@Vektr1
He has no facts for that. Doesn't matter what degree or status he has. Thats just a argument from authority.
His world view: they have oil, we want it no matter how, democratic regimes would not sell us oil ergo we will fight democracy there with tooth and nail. He needs to prove these claims not just state them. He sounds very much like a conspiracy theorist right now.
Uhmu45 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 No he doesnt make an authoritative argument, he gives many many examples! How do you explain why the US supported Egypt's old dictator- and countless others, while sometimes the US invade countries claiming they want to restore democracy? Why aren't the US fighting for democracy in Africa? It's so plain a truth, it's common knowledge (except in certain parts of the US lol).
saraneshka 10 months ago
@saraneshka
You made an argument on his authority.
What should we have done with dictators there. Thats a good question. If we started ignoring them or making sanctions because they were dictatorships who were brutal against their own people we would have no leverage over what the country does, they would stonewalled us like iran does now. If we would talk with them or try to negotiate with dictatorships and gain leverage like that we would be seen as hypocrites.
Uhmu45 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 You haven't replied!! Why does the US invade certain countries on the name of democracy and support dictatorships in other countries?
saraneshka 10 months ago
@saraneshka
You know there are only 500 char and you asked many questions ;D
Uhmu45 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 But you are allowed to post several times :)
saraneshka 10 months ago
@saraneshka
Yes and that i will do, you just need to wait a bit. :P
Uhmu45 10 months ago
@saraneshka
Because they are hypocrites.Duh! The US and any other country has a value based foreign policy when its in their national interest and when they have the resources to do it.At times supporting freedom and democracy is easy because it doesn't cost anything, at other times you cant just take your army and drive in Egypt and declare democracy, it would not work. You may dislike the dictators nature but if you don't see any reasonable option to get rid of him, you play along with him.
Uhmu45 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 Ok, so you are saying that when it doesnt cost money or resources, the US will support democracy, else they will cope with the naughty dictators- hence dismissing the fact they might actively support a dictator (when it earns them money). Well well, I will look out for example for you. Here is one.
saraneshka 10 months ago
" Ronald Reagan – the great hero of the US right – was a great champion of jihadism. It was Reagan who encouraged Pakistan simultaneously to become fundamentalist, and acquire nuclear weapons. Chomsky coolly condemns "the global jihad launched by Zia and Reagan," for geopolitical reasons, with no concern for the after-effects." - and when I have time I will look for the original sources- meanwhile I'm sure knowledgeable people can help.
saraneshka 10 months ago
@saraneshka
First its always easy to be a smart-ass after the fact. We are all doctors in hindsight. Reagen wanted to fight USSR in Afghanistan and the jihadis were willing to fight and die. That was US policy throughout the cold war, the superpowers were paranoid about each other.Would have Reagan acted differently if he would have know what we know now? The thing is he did not know it. If chomsky would have know that this would happen and told us that back then, then i would be impressed.
Uhmu45 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 It doesnt matter that Reagan didnt forsee the future (or didnt care). The point is the US (and any country that could pbly) will do anything in their power to keep 'stability' - have things going their way; this includes setting up jihads (oops, it was the cold war) and pampering dictators- while claiming they are the country of freedom (my ass) that promotes democracy (yes yes, by bypassing international law like it didnt exist).
saraneshka 10 months ago
@saraneshka
Well i would say things have changed a lot since the cold war. The cold war policy was to keep anyone who is against the USSR in power and it did not matter much if he is a dictator and murderer or not. Times have changed. Soft power matters more nowadays. And the cold war context is important. The people in the cold war had an other paradigm of thinking. We worry about terrorism and oil they worried about nukes. They had irrational fears that we don't have, not by a long shot.
Uhmu45 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 so what about the Shah, Saddam, Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Musharraf, Suharto...? Aren't those dicators backed or propped by the US (without speaking of Bin Laden hehe).
saraneshka 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 what about the overthrowing of Chilean President Salvador Allende in 1973 by Augusto Pinochet (CIA helped)- ?
saraneshka 10 months ago
@saraneshka
It seems very likely that the CIA was in some form involved. What about it?
Uhmu45 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 No they will not sell us. They will sell us some of it of course, but maybe by different price. There's China arising as the biggest consumer that can pay more than western countries as well so without military presence there will be no secure oil supply for the west. Or you think that hundreds of thousands NATO soldiers are on a vacation in the middle east?
AdamAnt300 10 months ago
@AdamAnt300
We don't have much control over the price of oil right now either. If they bush the price too high they will hurt themselves by killing off our economies. Their well-being is tied to our growth. Selling and buying is a win-win situation for everyone. Chinas growth is tied to us too and ours to theirs. The world is connected and if someone big starts to fall it will drag everybody down. So yea they will keep selling their oil because they have a brain.
Uhmu45 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 So why the heck is then 50000 NATO soldiers quietly watching and keeps selling weapons to the regimes which in cruelty destroy civil movements like it happens in Bahrain right now. People are not stupid there, some of them want freedom, some women in Saudi Arabia would like to have basic rights like to drive a car. Yet, it's hard to fight dictators supported by West. When they are protesting on the streets and get hit by "made in usa" bullets it feels exactly like Chomsky describes
AdamAnt300 10 months ago
@Uhmu45 'Win hearts and minds' isn't that what the US said in relation to the Vietnamese? Think it's about time America pulled its imperial tentacles out of foreign nations and gave them some freedom!!
UnknownSaxophone 10 months ago
Thank you
RedGaribaldi 10 months ago
thank you very much
firewoven 10 months ago
Thank you Noam, much respect
FacelesswithEyesOpen 10 months ago 27
WOW
oceanbound222 10 months ago