@wilmheath Hitler was a baptised Catholic, he never renounced his Catholicism and was never excommunicated – nor were any of his chief followers....when catholics take a census take count the ones that got baptized...don't take my word for it, look it up yourself!!!
@heathsawyer So because his parents were Catholic that makes him a Catholic? Seriously you should read "The God Delusion" where Dawkin's whom I'm sure Jessica is familiar with uses this same argument to say that we should not label children by what their parents believe. Don't use this argument when it is only beneficial to the point your trying to make. Jessica is a prime example of a 16 year old trying to get attention. If I didn't believe in God I sure wouldn't waste my time
@heathsawyer in the court room battling over silly things like this and wasting tons of money. Same thing goes for the Christians who waste tons of money in these silly court battles. Christians need to show love with their actions instead of letting things like this get to him. If removing that sign that has been there for 60 years makes Jessica cool within her Atheist group and gets her more facebook followers then so what.
Finally, I would like to add, that although I disagree with her actions personally, of course she should feel free and have the right to express herself and take recourse as she deems fit. But it is worth remembering in a society which treasures the right of freedom, there must also be the right of others to respond to those actions, whether they agree or not!
I may not agree with you beliefs, but I must say: Bravo, Jessica. You took up a cause, and, despite quite a bit of resistance and hateful responses to your actions, you fought for something, and you didn't let anybody stop you. That alone is quite an admirable quality.
Regardless of what the debates on the 'justification' for your actions decide, you did something great simply by acting.
Regardless of what is right/offensive/tolerant, the Constitution calls for the separation of Church and State, and that banner was a direct violation of that. Sure, it's not offensive to most, but do we get to say that our preferences supersede those of others, especially when they aren't critical? While the banner may not've been a direct act against atheists, it certainly sends a message: You aren't welcome here. I think that alone is enough reason to remove it. Open minds, people, open minds.
@Sliepnir2006 What do you mean free speech? Whose right to free speech is being violated? Jessica's fight is not a speech issue. Are you talking about the school's right to free speech? The school is a government organization. Government organizations are not individuals with rights. Do you mean the kids at school? they can still pray and speak all they want, but that is not the same as posting things on walls as part of school policy. This is obvious, right?
@ApocalypseComedyShow@ApocalypseComedyShow Are you telling me that those who work within a government organizations are individuals without rights? I think you really need to think about what you write. Everyone is an individual and each individual has rights, no matter who or what they work for! ACLU included.
Posting things on walls is also part of living in a free society, sometimes it needs permission, other times it is for those who live and work to decide.
@Sliepnir2006 As for free speech indeed there is a violation of free speech here and I think your own argument has made that quite clear, for what you have said is that those who work withing Government organisations are NOT individuals with rights!
Who on earth are you to decide who has rights and who does not, be very careful you do not become the very thing which you no doubt most despise and that is dictatorship!
Finally to this young woman, I have to say! There is more to this than meets the eye is there not? There are some very nasty people around who would define themselves as "Christian" however, they are not. "Not all those who call me lord, will enter the Kingdom, but only those who do my father's will.
And the will of the father is not about bullying, coercing, maiming, hurting. Particularly bullying! Nor is it his will to cause suffering through any kind of abuse!
@Sliepnir2006 "Bullying" is using the ACLU to threaten to bankrupt the entire school department if you don't do what they say. After 49 years of being displayed without ONE person being "injured" by it, it should stay where it is.
@mrjoebannister I agree with you, the ACLU are supposed to be about Civil Liberties, but what of the civil liberties of those who have no objection to this prayer, do they not too have their rights? Perhaps the ACLU should be brought in to defend the rights of others to have this displayed. After all is that not civil liberties too?
@mrjoebannister@mrjoebannister I agree with you, the ACLU are supposed to be about Civil Liberties, but what of the civil liberties of those who have no objection to this prayer, do they not too have their rights? Perhaps the ACLU should be brought in to defend the rights of others to have this displayed. After all is that not civil liberties too?
I will visit USA pretty soon and I will put banners on schools saying Allah Akbar or Jihad is the way of life.
After that I am gonna build a mosque where WTC used to be and put a banner Allah is great, he destroyed the towers so he could make a room for our mosque.
So can I count for your support?
Since you already said this stuff is not so wrong.
I bet you wouldnt you only get butthurt when it comes to your religion.
Keep up the good work Jessica. You have lots of support here in the UK. We don't need to remind you not to waste your time rebutting the small fry. Bigoted, hateful 'trolls' and 'blog monsters' are in plentiful supply and will occupy all your time if you drop to their level. The heads of the religious establishments will use their unending supply of threatening pawn zealots to defeat you. Don't engage the small fry. Engage the leaders. You are good enough. Good luck.
If we as Christians, see people whose beliefs are different to ours in both thoughts and practice, as endangering our own faith, then it is we who have little faith.
However, I do not see that any singular individual should have right say to others how they should live or what they should believe. If this path is followed, then the person who decries dictatorship the most, becomes the very thing they hate, a dictator.
Finally, Religion is not faith, religion is man made. faith is not!
@Sliepnir2006 The constitution protects the rights of the majority except in cases where it infringes apon the rights of the minority. In other words, her rights were being infringed apon, by the establishment/favoring of one religion over another. How would you like it if there were prayers to the Hindu gods instead of yours?
@pheonixshaman Jessica was clear in saying " She never noticed the banner in her whole first year of school there and when a friend pointed it out, she was not offended and had no problem with it" and that "It had a good message" (page 18 of the court decision & her website) NONE of anyone's rights were infringed upon.
@pheonixshaman I find this insulting actually, I have some very close friends who are Hindu and we have had many discussions about religion, but in their turn they have never once attacked my religion as I have not attacked theirs.
Faith is a matter for the person concerned, but rather than rights, one should be talking about tolerance. The prayers of others do not affect, nor have caused any harm to this person, as Hindu prayers cause no harm to me.
Perhaps I should say to you that those of Jewish faith, should not have their practices and someone called Hitler did exactly that!
Took "rights" and distorted them so others were denied theirs. Exactly as what is happening here.
Believe in the God whom you wish to believe in, but have tolerance for others to believe in theirs. Having rights is not the same as having tolerance!
@Sliepnir2006 Where is the tolerance in demanding a banner be removed when it has been there for over 49 years and has bothered no one? Nobody ever told Jessica that she had to believe, that she had to pray or anything else, Jessica said herself "the prayer was not offensive and that the message was a positive one", and "Yea, I'm not offended by it"... Then the ACLU got a hold of her.
@mrjoebannister@mrjoebannister@mrjoebannister I agree with you, the ACLU are supposed to be about Civil Liberties, but what of the civil liberties of those who have no objection to this prayer, do they not too have their rights? Perhaps the ACLU should be brought in to defend the rights of others to have this displayed. After all is that not civil liberties too?
@mrjoebannister actually she started this way before the ACLU got involved as she says quite clearly. SO are you okay then with multiple banners going up? Positive Muslim prayers? Positive Atheist quotes? Positive Hindu quotes? Stuff that is not "offensive"? By making one religion part of public policy it is certainly endorsing it. If you don't see that, you are completely blinded by your beliefs. Just put another religion or "satanism" in it's place and tell me you'd be cool with it.
@ApocalypseComedyShow I have stated many times, I do not and never have had a problem with recognised world religions being represented anywhere, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhism, Christianity are all part of the diverse world in which we live, there is no reason why in a world which is ever shrinking, that they should not be included for others to learn about.
Trouble is, if that happened people would then deem their rights infringed upon, rather then seek to understand!
@pheonixshaman “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
― Thomas Jefferson NONE of her rights were being infringed upon.
Jessica got USED, plain and simple. The Banner was a Gift to the school..not State sponsored Religion or any other crap you want to pretend it is. Jessica was clear in saying " She never noticed the banner in her whole first year of school there and when a friend pointed it out, she was not offended and had no problem with it" and that "It had a good message" (page 18 of the court decision & her website)....until the ACLU contacted her. Then it was violating some "right" she claims to have.
@mrjoebannister That has to be some of the most pathetically spin-doctored bullshit to avoid the point that the Cranston High School VIOLATED THE LAW OF THE LAND!
@archelonprime Kiss my behind, that is why we have the RIGHT to appeal ANY decision a lower Court makes...because they may have gotten it wrong. Are you afraid of an appeal? I think you are a moron without a clue. From the 9th circuit hearing on the Newdow case 2004, it supports keeping the prayer and that such prayer does not violate the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution: history, character, and context prevent them from being constitutional violations at all
@pheonixshaman Really? Pagan prayer? The next thing you are going to ask about is the "two Stupid Dopes" religion.... The Banner was a Gift to the school..not State sponsored Religion or any other crap you want to pretend it is.
@pheonixshaman Oddly Paganism is quite close to the Creation, trees, woods,.grass, moon and many other spiritual things. Paganism does not necessarily mean the infliction of harm upon others. Though there are plausibly some ties to both animal and human sacrifice. Whether that though is true may still be questioned.
The modern day Pagans though, have a belief quite nested within the boughs of creation, though they probably at pains to deny it!
@Sliepnir2006 But if there were to be Pagan prayers said, I would not prevent it, but would rather ask to be excused, as I would expect a Hindu, or Muslim to be excused from being forced or coerce'd into attending!
As for items, they can hang Muslim items alongside Chrstian, or Hindu as far as I am concerned. I am wise enough and tolerant enough to know that there are many people who believe different things.
@mrjoebannister Using law to deal with matters over faith, is not what we should be engaging in. This person has the right to challenge and should be respected for doing so.
However, in turn perhaps the school should be looking to place up a plaque, explaining her views alongside this prayer. That way you engage in dialogue, rather than become dictators, each person has a right to their own beliefs and to be heard too.
Religion including Christianity isn't about praying once and your mom won't die! Even a devote Christian doesn't expect God to make every single one of their relatives invincible. If I pray to God once to give me wings so I can fly I'm obviously not gonna get them. Christianity isn't solely about miracles being performed. I'm not saying she can't be an atheist but she clearly doesn't understand the idea of religion.
I am highly opposed to Jessica's actions, as they demonstrate clearly her immaturity. Clearly she doesn't understand how truly fanatic the religious are, and how easily they could target her immediate family members. I would never subject my own family to the danger of the mentally sick (the religious). As a fellow atheist, let me tell you this, Jessica. It's too late. We've lost. All you can accomplish by trying to defeat religion is self-destruction.
Jessica, you are basing your decisions on your "feelings." It's going to get you into trouble very soon if you are not careful. Hilter was also really passionate about pursuing his own desires into the occult.
Jessica, you say God "lied" to you by not answering your prayer that he would make your mom "better." Have you considered that this prayer is being answered--> though not according to how you wanted it answered?
This is why I call myself Agnostic. Modern aheists are Whiny, butthurt, teenagers who are unable to get over the fact that they had to go to sunday school. They are so egoistic, self-absorbed and self-righteous that they feel the need to rebel against anyone and anything that dares to guestion their personal values. Militant atheists are no better than religious fundamentalists. Little kids who are slowing down the developement of mankind because of their personal insecurities.
@datFloyd Says the 12 year old who cannot wrap his/her head around the fact that atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. Atheism takes a negative approach on belief, agnosticism on knowledge. You cannot infer one from the other. Your "argument" holds no water.
@batmanpronz Not gonna argue about logics with bunch of rebellious kids, rather I'm merely trying to point out the cultural/sociological issue. History has proven that definitions have a way of evolving when they are abused. Definition of agnosticism is going through that change. Atheism is no longer suitable flagship for the intellectual movement, as atheism is irrational and illogical belief. Agnosticism must therefore go down with atheism or become a entity of it's own.
@flyingpowerlogitech i would say self-righteous american christians who send death threats to someone who actually pays attention to the constitution is much worse.
@Mallorca10100 Which is why I said cultural marxist, The fact that you do not know the definition of it does not mean that my statement does not make any sense, it simple means that you can not understand it which is exactly what I posted in my previous comment.
@Mallorca10100 If you knew definition of cultural marxist, you wouldn't ask, as you clearly do not, I would advice you to search engine of your choice.
Then, if you talk about her and her fight against that banner and her speech in this video, you are reffering to the constitution, because according to her constituion she has every right to do that! Stop with your stupid right wing bs. Every human being has the right to his/her beliefs and it is not only written down in the US constitution, but also in constitutions and basic laws of various other countries!
@urano1981 Wrong or bad? that's up for person judging her, It is wrong AND bad for me, and why are you answering for me? Why are left-wing liberals so stupid? It's like they really are mentally retarded.
There's a reason why most of mature men are right-wing and why most of left-wingers consist of rebellious teenagers and idiots who are studying "woman's studies" or "liberal arts"
Hitler was a cultural Catholic. He probably was a believer at first but became atheist. You can find quotes of Hitler being against Christianity because it was too soft. He, in fact preferred Islam after a while because of its opinion on Jews.
Ignorance is often the problem. Blame God is the only excuse she can up with? perhaps a little more research into God rather than throw hands in the air and just claim Atheism out of anger of her mothers passing. yes it is very sad but seriously, thats all she can come up with to be angry at a God she doesn't believe in. How odd it is to start a plight on something she claims doesn't exist. Hoepfully she will eventually see truth rather then her own understanding
You should repent. Moreover, you should ask God for eternal forgiveness through applying the death and resurrection of Jesus to your life of sin within the quietness of your bedroom tonight. As an unrepentant sinner myself, I made this decision around 15 years ago. This is the most important decision that you could ever make. - Romans 10:9-10
@paularenas26 So let me get this straight. You have to worship this deity or suffer for all eternity. Sounds like your god is a selfish bully that leaves you with an ultimatum.
Religion: The only psychological form of intimidation that is socially accepted.
All this for having a banner removed from her school? This is what she gets for being a whiny little girl that started a whiny little lawsuit to get a BANNER removed? I had no idea society had sunk this low... But then again it is refreshing to be proven wrong every once in a while.
Finally America is joining the rest of the educated western world in realising that religion is just outdated myths that are holding back Humanity. Well done Jessica, your Founding Fathers would have been very proud of you.
@ACCSESS247 I like this Isaiah 2v12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: 17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
@matheyu The "theory" is in fact not only not a lie, it is a fact. It is no longer a "theory" in the classical sense of the word, because It has been proven to be true. Do you want me to explain it or can you do some research on your own to find out how we know it to be true? Disputing evolution is like disputing the existence of cancer.
@matheyu Haha, I'm getting trolled here I feel, because there is no way you could be serious. Not even a religious person is that dumb. I give you kudos for the well executed troll though!
@Madghaar I'm not a troll and beceause what atheist believe is not true. They call everybody dumb, they see themself as smart and people who believe the bible as dumb. What of course show that it has nothing to do with arguments, but they are fighting against God, the creator of heaven and earth.
@matheyu I don't believe in anything. Nothing at all. If there are empirical evidence that something is true, I will review the evidence and either decide whether they are sufficient or not to support the claim. If there are no empirical evidence at all, as is the case with religions, then I can discard it. For an example, a book (IE the bible, koran or any other religious scripture) is not an empirical evidence unless you can prove the content of the book to be true.
@matheyu A fact book on evolution would not be a proof that evolution is true, we have to test the claims in the scripture to see if the evidence exist outside of the words written down. The claim that we are fighting against one of the gods is of course nonsensical, because there is no empirical evidence that any of them exists.
@matheyu Of course, you know from personal experience what it is like to not believe in a god, because there are many gods you don't believe in. Most of the gods you don't believe in have similar scriptures to support their existence, so why do you not believe in those? If you had been born in India, you would obviously have believed in vishnu and shiva and etc. and not the christian god.
@matheyu And I'm certainly not saying that atheists are smart and believers in any gods are dumb. Intelligence shares basically no correlation with what belief system you subscribe to.
@bigdaddyquey I like this Isaiah 2v12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: 17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
@Ygdrasel Who decides what the penalty is for murder? States do. Why? Because it is their right to do it, as the Constitution does not tell the federal government they can. Local governments, like states and cities, etc, are allowed to do things the federal government cannot do, however, like condoning religion. I don't think it's a good idea, but according to the 10th, they can.
Here is how simple this is: Did that poster being on the wall ESTABLISH a religion that people were forced to follow? No. Did that poster on the wall PROHIBIT anyone from having different beliefs? No. Then it doesn't violate the First Amendment. Argument over. The courts are wrong, again.
@natelusk77 A school is a public institution and should not favor or disfavor any religion. A prayer on a wall is favoring a religion. That's how simple it is.
@Ygdrasel Have you ever read the Constitution? If it is prohibited to the federal government, then it is a power left to the states and to the people... Pathetic that you think things only apply when you want to. I hope you aren't a voter, and you are the reason I sometimes wish there was a Constitution test before people were allowed to vote.
@BuecherFuerAlle Yeah, and it's thanks to loud mouth atheists like them that you don't/didn't have to say a prayer to start your day if you went to a public school as a kid.
@DejectedPanda no. the reason why i didn't needed to say a public prayer was because i went to school in austria, where people aren't retarded like the piece of shit country you're from.
If it is PROHIBITED to the federal government then, by extension, all governments under the federal government (hint: the one that rules the whole of the country, thus anything applied to it overrules the state governments) are likewise prohibited. The 10th amendment does not come into play.
@Ygdrasel the Constitution does not say the government cannot "ordain, establish, or otherwise condone" religion, you twit. Don't misrepresent what's there. READ WHAT IT SAYS. "CONGRESS cannot establish... or prohibit the exercise of, religion". That's all.
Congress is the only part of government with the power to do such things. So, for all intents and purposes, the GOVERNMENT cannot ordain, establish, or otherwise condone a particular religion.
@Darkangel182 you just said it... "...examine the wording of the law...". There is no law regarding religious text, etc, in a public school. At least not on the federal level. @TheBoyAtheist the point is that if we were intended, in the a constitution, to never invoke ago God or religion, then how did we get those in the first place?
The US Congress began in 1789 to open every session with a prayer. They still continue this practice today.
Our Supreme Court has depictions of Moses and the Ten Commandments all over it.
This country would have never become a sovereign republic if the people coming here and eventually fighting for our liberty didn't want the religious freedom to worship as they so chose.
Keep telling me how the USA is supposed to be so secular.
And remember the Christians who died so you could say it.
@natelusk77 ...and every one of those Congress members owned slaves as well.
i hate how people have this idea that just because people in the early days of America did a certain thing, that means we're supposed to continue doing it. societies change, and they recognized that, which is why they made the Constitution a living document. they weren't perfect, they weren't infallible, they weren't gods, so stop breaking one of your commandments by worshiping false idols, Mr. Christian.
If God and government were supposed to be so far apart, and that's what the founders intended, why is God addressed in so many of our government things?
"In God We Trust" on our money
"...under God..." in our pledge
"...endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..." in the Declaration of Independence
"...with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence..." also in the Decl of Ind
Why do we say oaths on Bibles, even in court, and for public office?
@natelusk77 to refute one of those statements "in god we trust" was added to the dollar bill in 1950 so before then there was no mention of god on currency in america, also in the time this pledge was made, the founding fathers did not know the scientific evidence presented today
@natelusk77 In god we trust and under god were added in the 50's, but anyway doesn't really matter, justification for separation of church and state is in the constitution; deal with it.
False. That is not what this country was founded on. They wanted the government to leave people aloe about religion, which forcing it out of schools is the exact opposite of. And @ProfRonconi, you are so close to the truth, it's amazing. Patchwork of communities... Exactly. This isn't the People's Republic of America. It's the PLURAL States...
Would the people who are for this banner still be for it if it had quotes from the koran and muslim information (an NO muslim does not mean terrorist)?
@Angelos3333 Religion, all religions, are protected by the Constitution. And there is NO LAW against posting religious things, or even having religious ceremonies, in public.
Church used to be attended in the United States Capital building.
@natelusk77 The first part of your statement is correct. They are not protected, as this case illustrates as a permanent attachment on land/buildings/etc. that are owned by us all. Having a ceremony is not permanent it is a singular one time event. But all the people (most likely christian) that want to keep the banner, would not be fighting to keep it, if it was not from their religion of choice If it was muslim they would be fighting to get rid of it. Ex. proposed mosque at ground zero.
@Angelos3333 So... You overgeneralize to try and make an argument. "...all the people (most likely Christian)..." "If it was muslim the would be fighting to get rid of it."
That is not an argument. I am a Christian. If my community wanted to put a muslim prayer on the walls of a school, they have the right to do that. I, however, would not want my child seeing it every day. I would change his/her school to resolve it, rectifying the problem that I HAVE WITH IT.
WHERE? The part that says CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an ESTABLISHMENT of religion? Or the part that says regarding the free exercise of religion? Both say that the CONGRESS cannot do anything about religions, which means, thanks to the 10th amendment, states and communities (ie the people), can.
Ignorant Americans love to say, "If you don't like it, get the hell out!" This is the polar opposite of what our country's founding fathers said and did. They lived by, "If you don't like it, change it."
Jessica is helping to change it. She's helping to change it back to what Thomas Jefferson intended when he talked about the wall of separation between church and state. She's a very brave person and clearly intelligent and informed.
The constitution says the government cannot ordain, establish, or otherwise condone any particular religion. Schools are government-made institutions, run by taxes. As such, placing religious banners in the school is an illicit condoning of Christianity, which is unconstitutional.
Incidentally, that bullshit slogan on all the money and the Pledge of Allegiance are unconstitutional in the same way.
wouldn't the willful act of REMOVAL be the government acting on BEHALF of the atheist religion?
You can't have it both ways.
Besides I see tons of things in my life that offends me. The exhaling of homosexuality being one of them....am I entitled to be free from that because it offends me? Or are you trying to setup a TWO CLASS society. Those with rights and those with responsibilities?
How is not a religion? You base your life and your lifes work on a belief system. And then go around trying to impose it on others...when really, we just want you to shut up. How are you any different?
EXACTLY, no freedom offense....that is the point. The poster offended Jessica....boo-whooo..... the government is there to protect freedom OF religion...not from it.
and YES, the law and constitution was formed on Christian foundations. Saying it wasn't is irrelevant.
I base my life on nothing. I base my life's work on whatever the hell I feel like working on at any given time. And atheists don't go around imposing anything. Notice the Christians pushing prayer into schools and homophobic BS into politics. Not atheists.
A religious poster displayed in a government institution is a violation of the Bill of Rights. Deal with it.
The law and constitution were formed on human rights and freedoms, not your senseless religion.
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Phydu 2 days ago
She may be only 16 but she is an interesting character! It brought something which has been hidden for long to come forward!
dark4krad 2 days ago
Jessica, you are my hero!
lightfighter36 4 days ago
Hitler was not a Catholic. I'm glad you know how to use google but not sure if you knew this but not everything on the interwebs is true.
wilmheath 4 days ago
@wilmheath Hitler was a baptised Catholic, he never renounced his Catholicism and was never excommunicated – nor were any of his chief followers....when catholics take a census take count the ones that got baptized...don't take my word for it, look it up yourself!!!
heathsawyer 3 days ago
@heathsawyer So because his parents were Catholic that makes him a Catholic? Seriously you should read "The God Delusion" where Dawkin's whom I'm sure Jessica is familiar with uses this same argument to say that we should not label children by what their parents believe. Don't use this argument when it is only beneficial to the point your trying to make. Jessica is a prime example of a 16 year old trying to get attention. If I didn't believe in God I sure wouldn't waste my time
wilmheath 3 days ago
@heathsawyer in the court room battling over silly things like this and wasting tons of money. Same thing goes for the Christians who waste tons of money in these silly court battles. Christians need to show love with their actions instead of letting things like this get to him. If removing that sign that has been there for 60 years makes Jessica cool within her Atheist group and gets her more facebook followers then so what.
wilmheath 3 days ago
@wilmheath I'm sorry to be a party pooper but Hitler WAS a catholic! Google it yourself.... Good day!
dark4krad 2 days ago
Jessica Ahlquist, a hero in the fight for FREEDOM!!
criskity 4 days ago
Finally, I would like to add, that although I disagree with her actions personally, of course she should feel free and have the right to express herself and take recourse as she deems fit. But it is worth remembering in a society which treasures the right of freedom, there must also be the right of others to respond to those actions, whether they agree or not!
Sliepnir2006 5 days ago
ACLU the scum of America. The sicko's of America.
TheImpeacher 1 week ago
I may not agree with you beliefs, but I must say: Bravo, Jessica. You took up a cause, and, despite quite a bit of resistance and hateful responses to your actions, you fought for something, and you didn't let anybody stop you. That alone is quite an admirable quality.
Regardless of what the debates on the 'justification' for your actions decide, you did something great simply by acting.
ChaoticlyChaotic 1 week ago
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ChaoticlyChaotic 1 week ago
Regardless of what is right/offensive/tolerant, the Constitution calls for the separation of Church and State, and that banner was a direct violation of that. Sure, it's not offensive to most, but do we get to say that our preferences supersede those of others, especially when they aren't critical? While the banner may not've been a direct act against atheists, it certainly sends a message: You aren't welcome here. I think that alone is enough reason to remove it. Open minds, people, open minds.
ChaoticlyChaotic 1 week ago
@ChaoticlyChaotic Open minds? so what of the right to free speech?
Sliepnir2006 1 week ago
@Sliepnir2006 What do you mean free speech? Whose right to free speech is being violated? Jessica's fight is not a speech issue. Are you talking about the school's right to free speech? The school is a government organization. Government organizations are not individuals with rights. Do you mean the kids at school? they can still pray and speak all they want, but that is not the same as posting things on walls as part of school policy. This is obvious, right?
ApocalypseComedyShow 6 days ago
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Sliepnir2006 5 days ago
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@ApocalypseComedyShow @ApocalypseComedyShow Are you telling me that those who work within a government organizations are individuals without rights? I think you really need to think about what you write. Everyone is an individual and each individual has rights, no matter who or what they work for! ACLU included.
Posting things on walls is also part of living in a free society, sometimes it needs permission, other times it is for those who live and work to decide.
Sliepnir2006 5 days ago
@Sliepnir2006 As for free speech indeed there is a violation of free speech here and I think your own argument has made that quite clear, for what you have said is that those who work withing Government organisations are NOT individuals with rights!
Who on earth are you to decide who has rights and who does not, be very careful you do not become the very thing which you no doubt most despise and that is dictatorship!
Sliepnir2006 5 days ago
Finally to this young woman, I have to say! There is more to this than meets the eye is there not? There are some very nasty people around who would define themselves as "Christian" however, they are not. "Not all those who call me lord, will enter the Kingdom, but only those who do my father's will.
And the will of the father is not about bullying, coercing, maiming, hurting. Particularly bullying! Nor is it his will to cause suffering through any kind of abuse!
Sliepnir2006 1 week ago
@Sliepnir2006 "Bullying" is using the ACLU to threaten to bankrupt the entire school department if you don't do what they say. After 49 years of being displayed without ONE person being "injured" by it, it should stay where it is.
mrjoebannister 1 week ago
@mrjoebannister I agree with you, the ACLU are supposed to be about Civil Liberties, but what of the civil liberties of those who have no objection to this prayer, do they not too have their rights? Perhaps the ACLU should be brought in to defend the rights of others to have this displayed. After all is that not civil liberties too?
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@mrjoebannister @mrjoebannister I agree with you, the ACLU are supposed to be about Civil Liberties, but what of the civil liberties of those who have no objection to this prayer, do they not too have their rights? Perhaps the ACLU should be brought in to defend the rights of others to have this displayed. After all is that not civil liberties too?
Sliepnir2006 1 week ago
@mrjoebannister
Thats right.
I will visit USA pretty soon and I will put banners on schools saying Allah Akbar or Jihad is the way of life.
After that I am gonna build a mosque where WTC used to be and put a banner Allah is great, he destroyed the towers so he could make a room for our mosque.
So can I count for your support?
Since you already said this stuff is not so wrong.
I bet you wouldnt you only get butthurt when it comes to your religion.
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Keep up the good work Jessica. You have lots of support here in the UK. We don't need to remind you not to waste your time rebutting the small fry. Bigoted, hateful 'trolls' and 'blog monsters' are in plentiful supply and will occupy all your time if you drop to their level. The heads of the religious establishments will use their unending supply of threatening pawn zealots to defeat you. Don't engage the small fry. Engage the leaders. You are good enough. Good luck.
asbosaurus 2 weeks ago
If we as Christians, see people whose beliefs are different to ours in both thoughts and practice, as endangering our own faith, then it is we who have little faith.
However, I do not see that any singular individual should have right say to others how they should live or what they should believe. If this path is followed, then the person who decries dictatorship the most, becomes the very thing they hate, a dictator.
Finally, Religion is not faith, religion is man made. faith is not!
Sliepnir2006 3 weeks ago
@Sliepnir2006 The constitution protects the rights of the majority except in cases where it infringes apon the rights of the minority. In other words, her rights were being infringed apon, by the establishment/favoring of one religion over another. How would you like it if there were prayers to the Hindu gods instead of yours?
pheonixshaman 1 week ago
@pheonixshaman Jessica was clear in saying " She never noticed the banner in her whole first year of school there and when a friend pointed it out, she was not offended and had no problem with it" and that "It had a good message" (page 18 of the court decision & her website) NONE of anyone's rights were infringed upon.
mrjoebannister 1 week ago
@pheonixshaman I find this insulting actually, I have some very close friends who are Hindu and we have had many discussions about religion, but in their turn they have never once attacked my religion as I have not attacked theirs.
Faith is a matter for the person concerned, but rather than rights, one should be talking about tolerance. The prayers of others do not affect, nor have caused any harm to this person, as Hindu prayers cause no harm to me.
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Perhaps I should say to you that those of Jewish faith, should not have their practices and someone called Hitler did exactly that!
Took "rights" and distorted them so others were denied theirs. Exactly as what is happening here.
Believe in the God whom you wish to believe in, but have tolerance for others to believe in theirs. Having rights is not the same as having tolerance!
Sliepnir2006 1 week ago
@Sliepnir2006 Where is the tolerance in demanding a banner be removed when it has been there for over 49 years and has bothered no one? Nobody ever told Jessica that she had to believe, that she had to pray or anything else, Jessica said herself "the prayer was not offensive and that the message was a positive one", and "Yea, I'm not offended by it"... Then the ACLU got a hold of her.
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@mrjoebannister @mrjoebannister @mrjoebannister I agree with you, the ACLU are supposed to be about Civil Liberties, but what of the civil liberties of those who have no objection to this prayer, do they not too have their rights? Perhaps the ACLU should be brought in to defend the rights of others to have this displayed. After all is that not civil liberties too?
Sliepnir2006 1 week ago
@mrjoebannister actually she started this way before the ACLU got involved as she says quite clearly. SO are you okay then with multiple banners going up? Positive Muslim prayers? Positive Atheist quotes? Positive Hindu quotes? Stuff that is not "offensive"? By making one religion part of public policy it is certainly endorsing it. If you don't see that, you are completely blinded by your beliefs. Just put another religion or "satanism" in it's place and tell me you'd be cool with it.
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@ApocalypseComedyShow I have stated many times, I do not and never have had a problem with recognised world religions being represented anywhere, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhism, Christianity are all part of the diverse world in which we live, there is no reason why in a world which is ever shrinking, that they should not be included for others to learn about.
Trouble is, if that happened people would then deem their rights infringed upon, rather then seek to understand!
Sliepnir2006 5 days ago
@pheonixshaman “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
― Thomas Jefferson NONE of her rights were being infringed upon.
mrjoebannister 1 week ago
Jessica got USED, plain and simple. The Banner was a Gift to the school..not State sponsored Religion or any other crap you want to pretend it is. Jessica was clear in saying " She never noticed the banner in her whole first year of school there and when a friend pointed it out, she was not offended and had no problem with it" and that "It had a good message" (page 18 of the court decision & her website)....until the ACLU contacted her. Then it was violating some "right" she claims to have.
mrjoebannister 3 weeks ago
@mrjoebannister That has to be some of the most pathetically spin-doctored bullshit to avoid the point that the Cranston High School VIOLATED THE LAW OF THE LAND!
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@archelonprime Kiss my behind, that is why we have the RIGHT to appeal ANY decision a lower Court makes...because they may have gotten it wrong. Are you afraid of an appeal? I think you are a moron without a clue. From the 9th circuit hearing on the Newdow case 2004, it supports keeping the prayer and that such prayer does not violate the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution: history, character, and context prevent them from being constitutional violations at all
mrjoebannister 2 weeks ago
@mrjoebannister So you would be ok with Pagan prayers in school?
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@pheonixshaman Really? Pagan prayer? The next thing you are going to ask about is the "two Stupid Dopes" religion.... The Banner was a Gift to the school..not State sponsored Religion or any other crap you want to pretend it is.
mrjoebannister 1 week ago
@pheonixshaman Oddly Paganism is quite close to the Creation, trees, woods,.grass, moon and many other spiritual things. Paganism does not necessarily mean the infliction of harm upon others. Though there are plausibly some ties to both animal and human sacrifice. Whether that though is true may still be questioned.
The modern day Pagans though, have a belief quite nested within the boughs of creation, though they probably at pains to deny it!
Sliepnir2006 1 week ago
@Sliepnir2006 But if there were to be Pagan prayers said, I would not prevent it, but would rather ask to be excused, as I would expect a Hindu, or Muslim to be excused from being forced or coerce'd into attending!
As for items, they can hang Muslim items alongside Chrstian, or Hindu as far as I am concerned. I am wise enough and tolerant enough to know that there are many people who believe different things.
Sliepnir2006 1 week ago
@mrjoebannister Using law to deal with matters over faith, is not what we should be engaging in. This person has the right to challenge and should be respected for doing so.
However, in turn perhaps the school should be looking to place up a plaque, explaining her views alongside this prayer. That way you engage in dialogue, rather than become dictators, each person has a right to their own beliefs and to be heard too.
Sliepnir2006 1 week ago
A true patriot.
MegaloSaro 3 weeks ago
Religion including Christianity isn't about praying once and your mom won't die! Even a devote Christian doesn't expect God to make every single one of their relatives invincible. If I pray to God once to give me wings so I can fly I'm obviously not gonna get them. Christianity isn't solely about miracles being performed. I'm not saying she can't be an atheist but she clearly doesn't understand the idea of religion.
sublimenese 3 weeks ago
I am highly opposed to Jessica's actions, as they demonstrate clearly her immaturity. Clearly she doesn't understand how truly fanatic the religious are, and how easily they could target her immediate family members. I would never subject my own family to the danger of the mentally sick (the religious). As a fellow atheist, let me tell you this, Jessica. It's too late. We've lost. All you can accomplish by trying to defeat religion is self-destruction.
batmanpronz 3 weeks ago
Jessica, you are basing your decisions on your "feelings." It's going to get you into trouble very soon if you are not careful. Hilter was also really passionate about pursuing his own desires into the occult.
Jessica, you say God "lied" to you by not answering your prayer that he would make your mom "better." Have you considered that this prayer is being answered--> though not according to how you wanted it answered?
wilsonscience 3 weeks ago
well done Jessica, incredible courageous you are my hero. Keep up the good work you are not alone .
thinkingstardust 3 weeks ago
@Mallorca10100
United States Constitution! isn't regarding me.
pretender1975 3 weeks ago
Jessica Antichrist
pretender1975 3 weeks ago
@pretender1975
It is outrageous how some people, just like you, behave!
I am a Christian, but can you please keep in mind the first Amendment of the United States Constitution!
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Mallorca10100 3 weeks ago
This is why I call myself Agnostic. Modern aheists are Whiny, butthurt, teenagers who are unable to get over the fact that they had to go to sunday school. They are so egoistic, self-absorbed and self-righteous that they feel the need to rebel against anyone and anything that dares to guestion their personal values. Militant atheists are no better than religious fundamentalists. Little kids who are slowing down the developement of mankind because of their personal insecurities.
datFloyd 3 weeks ago
@datFloyd Says the 12 year old who cannot wrap his/her head around the fact that atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. Atheism takes a negative approach on belief, agnosticism on knowledge. You cannot infer one from the other. Your "argument" holds no water.
batmanpronz 3 weeks ago
@batmanpronz Not gonna argue about logics with bunch of rebellious kids, rather I'm merely trying to point out the cultural/sociological issue. History has proven that definitions have a way of evolving when they are abused. Definition of agnosticism is going through that change. Atheism is no longer suitable flagship for the intellectual movement, as atheism is irrational and illogical belief. Agnosticism must therefore go down with atheism or become a entity of it's own.
datFloyd 3 weeks ago
butthurt as fuck
nothing worse than self righteous american atheist teens
flyingpowerlogitech 3 weeks ago
@flyingpowerlogitech i would say self-righteous american christians who send death threats to someone who actually pays attention to the constitution is much worse.
ichelleray 3 weeks ago
So many cultural marxists here..I'm out
0Roy666 3 weeks ago
@0Roy666
What does that even has to do with marxists? This is about faith and religion and not about an economic system!
Mallorca10100 3 weeks ago
@Mallorca10100 Cultural marxist, but I wouldn't expect an edgy rebellious teenager to understand.
0Roy666 3 weeks ago
@0Roy666
Your comment makes no sense at all!
Mallorca10100 3 weeks ago
@Mallorca10100 For you that is.
0Roy666 3 weeks ago
@0Roy666
No, your statement makes objectively no sense! The word marxists is an economical term and has nothing to do with the topic right here!
Mallorca10100 3 weeks ago
@Mallorca10100 Which is why I said cultural marxist, The fact that you do not know the definition of it does not mean that my statement does not make any sense, it simple means that you can not understand it which is exactly what I posted in my previous comment.
0Roy666 3 weeks ago
@0Roy666
I know the definition of that word in contrast to you and that is why I aked you what has marxism to do with any kind of religious believes?
Mallorca10100 3 weeks ago
@Mallorca10100 If you knew definition of cultural marxist, you wouldn't ask, as you clearly do not, I would advice you to search engine of your choice.
0Roy666 3 weeks ago
@0Roy666
Is this your method to turn questions around? LOL
There is no etablished definition of "cultural marxist", unless you are trying to come up with some right wing b.s.
This case is quite clear and is based on the US constitution respectively its first amendment! End of discussion!
Mallorca10100 3 weeks ago
@Mallorca10100 Right wing BS? Typical leftist, And I'm not sure why you're telling me about Americas constitution, I'm not even American.
And yes there is a definition of cultural Marxist.
0Roy666 3 weeks ago
@0Roy666
Read my post carefully and you are going to find out that I said
"This case(!!!) is quite clear and is based on the US constitution[...]."
Mallorca10100 3 weeks ago
@Mallorca10100 I am not talking about that case I'm talking about her being a cultural marxist.
0Roy666 3 weeks ago
@0Roy666
Then, if you talk about her and her fight against that banner and her speech in this video, you are reffering to the constitution, because according to her constituion she has every right to do that! Stop with your stupid right wing bs. Every human being has the right to his/her beliefs and it is not only written down in the US constitution, but also in constitutions and basic laws of various other countries!
Mallorca10100 3 weeks ago
@Mallorca10100 I said nothing about banner,I simply accused her of being a cultural marxist.
0Roy666 3 weeks ago
@0Roy666 Good. Typical bullshit of the right wing. But supposing that she is a cultural marxist. Is that wrong or bad?
No, then do you have any problem with that?
urano1981 3 weeks ago
@urano1981 Wrong or bad? that's up for person judging her, It is wrong AND bad for me, and why are you answering for me? Why are left-wing liberals so stupid? It's like they really are mentally retarded.
There's a reason why most of mature men are right-wing and why most of left-wingers consist of rebellious teenagers and idiots who are studying "woman's studies" or "liberal arts"
0Roy666 3 weeks ago
Hitler was a cultural Catholic. He probably was a believer at first but became atheist. You can find quotes of Hitler being against Christianity because it was too soft. He, in fact preferred Islam after a while because of its opinion on Jews.
Do your research.
GreenBottleCap 3 weeks ago
Ignorance is often the problem. Blame God is the only excuse she can up with? perhaps a little more research into God rather than throw hands in the air and just claim Atheism out of anger of her mothers passing. yes it is very sad but seriously, thats all she can come up with to be angry at a God she doesn't believe in. How odd it is to start a plight on something she claims doesn't exist. Hoepfully she will eventually see truth rather then her own understanding
MchHunter 3 weeks ago
Proven fact an Atheist only prays in time of Danger.
worldwildwest 4 weeks ago
@worldwildwest Ok, show me the proof
paleflarelight 3 weeks ago
Brave, good, wise Jessica!
Agnorambler 4 weeks ago
,, Famous atheists last words before dying. ,, on you tube !!!!!check it
kongo4527 4 weeks ago
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matheyu 4 weeks ago
lol at the massive Christian vs Atheist debate in the comments. People get too worked up over this stuff.
Bjtafoya7 4 weeks ago
You should repent. Moreover, you should ask God for eternal forgiveness through applying the death and resurrection of Jesus to your life of sin within the quietness of your bedroom tonight. As an unrepentant sinner myself, I made this decision around 15 years ago. This is the most important decision that you could ever make. - Romans 10:9-10
paularenas26 4 weeks ago
@paularenas26 So let me get this straight. You have to worship this deity or suffer for all eternity. Sounds like your god is a selfish bully that leaves you with an ultimatum.
Religion: The only psychological form of intimidation that is socially accepted.
eldiceuf 4 weeks ago
All this for having a banner removed from her school? This is what she gets for being a whiny little girl that started a whiny little lawsuit to get a BANNER removed? I had no idea society had sunk this low... But then again it is refreshing to be proven wrong every once in a while.
ScienceFictionHairdo 1 month ago
Jessica is extremely brave and humble...
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Finally America is joining the rest of the educated western world in realising that religion is just outdated myths that are holding back Humanity. Well done Jessica, your Founding Fathers would have been very proud of you.
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@ACCSESS247 I like this Isaiah 2v12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: 17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
matheyu 3 weeks ago
I don't wanted evolution in the school, beceause i don't believe in it. It's the atheist who wanted to force and try to predominate the other.
matheyu 1 month ago
@matheyu you dont wanted evolution,but you needed english.
EmbriLoves 1 month ago
@matheyu How can you not believe in it if you haven't studied it at all?
Madghaar 4 weeks ago
@Madghaar The evolution theory is a lie, God is the creator of heaven and earth.
matheyu 4 weeks ago
@matheyu The "theory" is in fact not only not a lie, it is a fact. It is no longer a "theory" in the classical sense of the word, because It has been proven to be true. Do you want me to explain it or can you do some research on your own to find out how we know it to be true? Disputing evolution is like disputing the existence of cancer.
Madghaar 4 weeks ago
@Madghaar It not a fact and there is no proof. Nobody has an excuse to deny the truth,
that is that God is the creator of heaven and earth.
matheyu 4 weeks ago
@matheyu Haha, I'm getting trolled here I feel, because there is no way you could be serious. Not even a religious person is that dumb. I give you kudos for the well executed troll though!
Madghaar 3 weeks ago
@Madghaar I'm not a troll and beceause what atheist believe is not true. They call everybody dumb, they see themself as smart and people who believe the bible as dumb. What of course show that it has nothing to do with arguments, but they are fighting against God, the creator of heaven and earth.
matheyu 3 weeks ago
@matheyu I don't believe in anything. Nothing at all. If there are empirical evidence that something is true, I will review the evidence and either decide whether they are sufficient or not to support the claim. If there are no empirical evidence at all, as is the case with religions, then I can discard it. For an example, a book (IE the bible, koran or any other religious scripture) is not an empirical evidence unless you can prove the content of the book to be true.
Madghaar 3 weeks ago
@matheyu A fact book on evolution would not be a proof that evolution is true, we have to test the claims in the scripture to see if the evidence exist outside of the words written down. The claim that we are fighting against one of the gods is of course nonsensical, because there is no empirical evidence that any of them exists.
Madghaar 3 weeks ago
@matheyu Of course, you know from personal experience what it is like to not believe in a god, because there are many gods you don't believe in. Most of the gods you don't believe in have similar scriptures to support their existence, so why do you not believe in those? If you had been born in India, you would obviously have believed in vishnu and shiva and etc. and not the christian god.
Madghaar 3 weeks ago
@matheyu And I'm certainly not saying that atheists are smart and believers in any gods are dumb. Intelligence shares basically no correlation with what belief system you subscribe to.
Madghaar 3 weeks ago
I salute you Jessica Ahlquist!
bigdaddyquey 1 month ago 2
@bigdaddyquey I like this Isaiah 2v12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: 17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
matheyu 3 weeks ago
Jessica kicks ass!
streetmagicstyle 1 month ago
@Ygdrasel Who decides what the penalty is for murder? States do. Why? Because it is their right to do it, as the Constitution does not tell the federal government they can. Local governments, like states and cities, etc, are allowed to do things the federal government cannot do, however, like condoning religion. I don't think it's a good idea, but according to the 10th, they can.
natelusk77 1 month ago
@natelusk77
Yes. They can decide the PENALTY. But they cannot change that it is illegal.
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
Here is how simple this is: Did that poster being on the wall ESTABLISH a religion that people were forced to follow? No. Did that poster on the wall PROHIBIT anyone from having different beliefs? No. Then it doesn't violate the First Amendment. Argument over. The courts are wrong, again.
natelusk77 1 month ago
@natelusk77
It implicitly supports one specific religion.
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
@natelusk77 A school is a public institution and should not favor or disfavor any religion. A prayer on a wall is favoring a religion. That's how simple it is.
paleflarelight 3 weeks ago
@Ygdrasel Have you ever read the Constitution? If it is prohibited to the federal government, then it is a power left to the states and to the people... Pathetic that you think things only apply when you want to. I hope you aren't a voter, and you are the reason I sometimes wish there was a Constitution test before people were allowed to vote.
natelusk77 1 month ago
@natelusk77
Murder is prohibited on a federal level. The states have no right to legalize it within their own borders.
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
I am an atheist myself and i find these atheist circle jerk sessions to be complete bullshit
BuecherFuerAlle 1 month ago
@BuecherFuerAlle Thumbs up for that comment.
looseSpark 1 month ago
@BuecherFuerAlle Yeah, and it's thanks to loud mouth atheists like them that you don't/didn't have to say a prayer to start your day if you went to a public school as a kid.
DejectedPanda 1 month ago
@DejectedPanda no. the reason why i didn't needed to say a public prayer was because i went to school in austria, where people aren't retarded like the piece of shit country you're from.
BuecherFuerAlle 1 month ago
@BuecherFuerAlle awww. At least I'm not from the country that gave birth to Hitler.
DejectedPanda 1 month ago
And just to piss Farmboy off...Lookit what I found! An "atheist" petition. :B
ht tp:// wh. gov /KOA
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
@Ygdrasel THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT. Correct. But according to the 10th amendment... I will let you figure it out, if you can.
natelusk77 1 month ago
@natelusk77
If it is PROHIBITED to the federal government then, by extension, all governments under the federal government (hint: the one that rules the whole of the country, thus anything applied to it overrules the state governments) are likewise prohibited. The 10th amendment does not come into play.
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
@Ygdrasel the Constitution does not say the government cannot "ordain, establish, or otherwise condone" religion, you twit. Don't misrepresent what's there. READ WHAT IT SAYS. "CONGRESS cannot establish... or prohibit the exercise of, religion". That's all.
natelusk77 1 month ago
@natelusk77
Congress is the only part of government with the power to do such things. So, for all intents and purposes, the GOVERNMENT cannot ordain, establish, or otherwise condone a particular religion.
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
The Christians are acting like complete assholes. I guess church isn't doing much good.
cutes22 1 month ago
@cutes22
cute. people don't go to church to become "less assholes".
FarmboyRecords 1 month ago
@FarmboyRecords apparently not.
cutes22 1 month ago
hitler wasn't a Christian....he was a darwinian evolutionist....that is in fact how he felt justified in taking lives of...LESSER EVOLVED SPECIES.
Stalin was an atheist..... do you cry over the lives of the Ukrainian holocaust?
FarmboyRecords 1 month ago
"We did call ourselves Christian but we really weren't."
Sounds like most Christians. Filthy hypocrites.
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
OHHH THE HARDSHIPS THAT ATHEISTS HAD TO ENDURE!!!!!
FarmboyRecords 1 month ago
Hey Jessica, I cried about slavery and the holocaust, too!
missdellion 1 month ago
Common sense prevailed! Kudos to Jessica!
shaneho78 1 month ago
Excellent Jessica! Good for you!!!!! :D
quantumleap8824 1 month ago 10
It's sad that in America something like this has to be taken to court. Shouldn't happen in the first place.
motorcycliscian 1 month ago
You go Jessica!
HellerDon 1 month ago
@Darkangel182 you just said it... "...examine the wording of the law...". There is no law regarding religious text, etc, in a public school. At least not on the federal level. @TheBoyAtheist the point is that if we were intended, in the a constitution, to never invoke ago God or religion, then how did we get those in the first place?
natelusk77 1 month ago
The US Congress began in 1789 to open every session with a prayer. They still continue this practice today.
Our Supreme Court has depictions of Moses and the Ten Commandments all over it.
This country would have never become a sovereign republic if the people coming here and eventually fighting for our liberty didn't want the religious freedom to worship as they so chose.
Keep telling me how the USA is supposed to be so secular.
And remember the Christians who died so you could say it.
natelusk77 1 month ago
@natelusk77 and remember the Founding Fathers, who stood for a separation between Church and State and that possibly were not christians.
OverPrice95 1 month ago 13
@OverPrice95
so much fallacy in one statement. dont know where to start.
FarmboyRecords 1 month ago
@OverPrice95 you need to research your comment. try reading your American History Books instead of ceating your own history.
MchHunter 3 weeks ago
@natelusk77 ...and every one of those Congress members owned slaves as well.
i hate how people have this idea that just because people in the early days of America did a certain thing, that means we're supposed to continue doing it. societies change, and they recognized that, which is why they made the Constitution a living document. they weren't perfect, they weren't infallible, they weren't gods, so stop breaking one of your commandments by worshiping false idols, Mr. Christian.
Cuddlebunzzzz 1 month ago
@natelusk77
So, your argument is...What? "The government disobeys the constitution so...It's okay?"
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
If God and government were supposed to be so far apart, and that's what the founders intended, why is God addressed in so many of our government things?
"In God We Trust" on our money
"...under God..." in our pledge
"...endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..." in the Declaration of Independence
"...with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence..." also in the Decl of Ind
Why do we say oaths on Bibles, even in court, and for public office?
natelusk77 1 month ago
@natelusk77 to refute one of those statements "in god we trust" was added to the dollar bill in 1950 so before then there was no mention of god on currency in america, also in the time this pledge was made, the founding fathers did not know the scientific evidence presented today
TheBoyAtheist 1 month ago 2
@TheBoyAtheist You're right they were added during the red scare to combat communism.
Stevenreidpardo 1 month ago
@natelusk77 In god we trust and under god were added in the 50's, but anyway doesn't really matter, justification for separation of church and state is in the constitution; deal with it.
eggertstwart 1 month ago
@eggertstwart It's not in the Constitution. Freedom OF religion is.Nice try though.
ChristianApologics 1 month ago
False. That is not what this country was founded on. They wanted the government to leave people aloe about religion, which forcing it out of schools is the exact opposite of. And @ProfRonconi, you are so close to the truth, it's amazing. Patchwork of communities... Exactly. This isn't the People's Republic of America. It's the PLURAL States...
natelusk77 1 month ago
Would the people who are for this banner still be for it if it had quotes from the koran and muslim information (an NO muslim does not mean terrorist)?
Angelos3333 1 month ago
@Angelos3333 Religion, all religions, are protected by the Constitution. And there is NO LAW against posting religious things, or even having religious ceremonies, in public.
Church used to be attended in the United States Capital building.
natelusk77 1 month ago
@natelusk77 The first part of your statement is correct. They are not protected, as this case illustrates as a permanent attachment on land/buildings/etc. that are owned by us all. Having a ceremony is not permanent it is a singular one time event. But all the people (most likely christian) that want to keep the banner, would not be fighting to keep it, if it was not from their religion of choice If it was muslim they would be fighting to get rid of it. Ex. proposed mosque at ground zero.
Angelos3333 1 month ago
@Angelos3333 So... You overgeneralize to try and make an argument. "...all the people (most likely Christian)..." "If it was muslim the would be fighting to get rid of it."
That is not an argument. I am a Christian. If my community wanted to put a muslim prayer on the walls of a school, they have the right to do that. I, however, would not want my child seeing it every day. I would change his/her school to resolve it, rectifying the problem that I HAVE WITH IT.
natelusk77 1 month ago
@natelusk77
Meanwhile, in reality, they DON'T have the right to do that...
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
WHERE? The part that says CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an ESTABLISHMENT of religion? Or the part that says regarding the free exercise of religion? Both say that the CONGRESS cannot do anything about religions, which means, thanks to the 10th amendment, states and communities (ie the people), can.
natelusk77 1 month ago
Ignorant Americans love to say, "If you don't like it, get the hell out!" This is the polar opposite of what our country's founding fathers said and did. They lived by, "If you don't like it, change it."
Jessica is helping to change it. She's helping to change it back to what Thomas Jefferson intended when he talked about the wall of separation between church and state. She's a very brave person and clearly intelligent and informed.
FactsBeforeFaith 1 month ago 2
Way to fight conformity!!
stevenweir76 1 month ago
@26:49 and it did lose. Grats again to Jessica!
micometer 1 month ago
If Jessica doesn't believe in god then she cannot get offended by a banner, to take enjoyment from the 1000 other students is just selfish.
98smithg 1 month ago
@98smithg The banner is un-constitutional. That is it against the constitution. That is your constitution. Savvy?
asianlife53 1 month ago
@asianlife53 Please quote for me the part of the Constitution that says you cannot put a religious banner in a public school...
natelusk77 1 month ago
@natelusk77
The constitution says the government cannot ordain, establish, or otherwise condone any particular religion. Schools are government-made institutions, run by taxes. As such, placing religious banners in the school is an illicit condoning of Christianity, which is unconstitutional.
Incidentally, that bullshit slogan on all the money and the Pledge of Allegiance are unconstitutional in the same way.
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
@Ygdrasel
wouldn't the willful act of REMOVAL be the government acting on BEHALF of the atheist religion?
You can't have it both ways.
Besides I see tons of things in my life that offends me. The exhaling of homosexuality being one of them....am I entitled to be free from that because it offends me? Or are you trying to setup a TWO CLASS society. Those with rights and those with responsibilities?
FarmboyRecords 1 month ago
@FarmboyRecords
No it wouldn't. Atheism is not a religion, genius.
And no, you're not. There is no "freedom from offense" in the Constitution.
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
@Ygdrasel
How is not a religion? You base your life and your lifes work on a belief system. And then go around trying to impose it on others...when really, we just want you to shut up. How are you any different?
EXACTLY, no freedom offense....that is the point. The poster offended Jessica....boo-whooo..... the government is there to protect freedom OF religion...not from it.
and YES, the law and constitution was formed on Christian foundations. Saying it wasn't is irrelevant.
FarmboyRecords 1 month ago
@FarmboyRecords
I base my life on nothing. I base my life's work on whatever the hell I feel like working on at any given time. And atheists don't go around imposing anything. Notice the Christians pushing prayer into schools and homophobic BS into politics. Not atheists.
A religious poster displayed in a government institution is a violation of the Bill of Rights. Deal with it.
The law and constitution were formed on human rights and freedoms, not your senseless religion.
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
@Ygdrasel
You base your life on nothing.....okay, so arguing with me is by definition POINTLESS.
Atheists don't impose ANYTHING? Are you kidding me? They are the definition of not living by the "Live and Let Live" way of life.
A "religious poster" is no more a violation then a poster displaying the theory of evolution or pro-gay, or pro-condom poster.
They were formed from Judeo-Christian values...which VALUES LIFE, and LIBERTY. You wouldn't have freedom in an atheist society.
FarmboyRecords 1 month ago
@FarmboyRecords
Who says it's pointless?
Live and let live is just what atheists do. Notice the Christians pushing prayer into schools and homophobic BS into politics. Not atheists.
A religious poster is a violation. An evolution poster is not. One is a religious belief. The other is science.
They were formed from democratic values. Atheists would provide the same.
Ygdrasel 1 month ago
@Ygdrasel
You did. "I base my life nothing"
No, that is NOT what atheists do. If they did, they wouldn't be trying to take prayers out of schools.
No it is NOT a violation. It is a poster, not a soldier with a gun to your head forcing you to convert.
the theory of evolution IS a religion, a belief system. It cannot be stated as fact, or that it is any more scientific then any other