frontal collapse on reflex wings

[jassaj21]

I HATE imasuperdick0308 dissing paramania and clogging up you tube with his crap videos and opinions, he tags every word possible so no matter what you type in there he is talking shite. Keep your opinions to yourself!!! Everyone here in the uk thinks you're a cock!!!

[aboomcar]

I have flown the GT in 21,23 and 26 sizees with approx 700 hours on it .I believe this glider has saved my ass many times in strong conditions the 21 is my favorite for acro and long trips.It cuts heavy turbulence like a RAZOR. with me hooked in I load it with approx 130kgs. And I have started it with 160kg. it is so fast the first time I landed it I almost peed my pants.. I always land it on neutral to get a long smooth flare with tons of brake power. THX Paramania for one oft the best PPG 's

[albedran2]

Bottom line, when thinking of buying a paraglider, do alot of homework otherwise you will end with something made alot of money to the seller, and nothing else.

switched from UP glider to OZONE and never looking back, left or right.

[carvingair]

HEY you boys be nice

BALIFF wack his pee pee (haha that rhymes with GT)

[SunsetWingman]

I thought everyone knew that you dont pull brakes when in reflex mode. What did they expect.

[JumboFlyPPG]

Dannyweston1...why you speak dirty thigs about Dell ??????He is the best ....BULL SHIT in the in the PPG world ! Normal pilots know that, but unfortunatley "fresh" pilots fall for his shitt. I posted comment on his video about his "death trap trike" and of course he delete my post and wrote me "nice" email.. He knows that all of his "best piloting" with flattop copy of Czech Walkerjet (2005 modell)is just marketing shitt made in perfect flying condititons....so any bad response is deleted!

[satovod]

@JumboFlyPPG

+1

[FlyingLaundryLLC]

This is a misleading video. The collapse shown was not an accident or fault of reflex technology. The pilot is Aouth African champion Tony Gibson, who used the speedbar on slow trims, which is warned against by the manufacturer, to evaluate what happens if you make that mistake.

[PGseanB]

Looks like he got his ass RE-FLEXED..... Looked to me to be very violent... You all can have that Reflex Techno shit!

[dannyweston1]

I LOVE YOU DELL!!!! You brighten up my evenings.... your always good for a laugh!! Stand up comedy, has to be your next business failure/venture, surely!!

[dannyweston1]

So are you an honourable man, who sells death traps! I really am confused!! But I do love the fact, that I'm debating with the worst of the worst!! Dell Shanze, the self proclaimed, best pilot in the world.. And internet shark... I look forward too seeing what crap, your going to come out with next!! My favourite dell quotes, are the ridiculous flat top claims! good for a 50 foot face plant, because it has crumple zones, it will float in the water, so you won't drown, priceless material Dell....

[dannyweston1]

I don't sell gliders Dell.... I'm NOT on here for personel gain!! JUST YOU... A dirty business man.. desperate to sell your re-hashed walkerjets, old, out dated and heavy pieces of poo!! And these non reflex gliders, that don't recovery from a frontal stall at all, judgeing by john blacks crash!! I'm only hear to laugh at your lies!! And listen to the crazy drivvle that spews from your mouth..

[dannyweston1]

Dell Shanze, the man who was refused a PARAMANIA dealership, so now attacks them relentlessly!! How many other manufacturers refuse to sell to this MORON!!!

[imasuper0308]

@dannyweston1 lol, you are such a silly guy. I sell ever 200 different makes & models of paragliders. Your argument here is just ridiculous. I recommend against death traps for the simple reason of I'm tired of seeing people die. Why do you guys keep saying anything you possbily can to sell this trash? Just switch to ANY certified glider of ANY brand. There is no reason for you to be murderers other than sheer stupidity.

[simon101101ko61]

@imasuper0308 Wow dell, you sell 200 makes and models of paragliders!? Interesting to know that there is 201 makes and models of paragliders. I never that. Thanks. ;)

[dannyweston1]

WOW Dell..... You answered NOTHING!!!! just the Shanze BLA BLA BLA.. GT collapse and recovery with backflip "stylish" Dell Shanze attacks paramania, page after page of total bollocks!! John Blacks Wild PPG CRASH! Nothing from Dell Shanzee!! No advice, no bullshit rants! and it was a non reflex wing too, no recovery, and he suffered a broken back!! Flat top crumple zones HA! hahahahaha... Write that on his video, you Pussy!! The only thing you got right, is that I'm not that intelligent!!

[imasuper0308]

@dannyweston1 Hello again foul mouthed evil person. Thanks for posting again as it makes it quite clear the mentality of those who would push gliders like these death traps. John WAS flying a death trap, THAT is why he was injured. You make no sense at all with these silly analogies. Have you watched the video?? Go watch what happens when certified gliders take a frontal. That's why honorable people don't sell these death traps. Of course there is no performance advantage to the junk eith

[laurencehb1]

@imasuper0308 = massive faggot 

[imasuper0308]

@laurencehb1 Yes that is a perfect example of the type of response you get from reflex pilots that try to debate facts. All you can do is call people names and use foul language. Its really sad because many people have died on paramania gliders. I think it is something like 6 pilots now dead just in the last year on Paramania? Zero reflex gliders can pass any level of certification at all. None of them. Not one. They market them as "certified" though which is fraud. Totally not cool.

[laurencehb1]

@imasuper0308 im not a reflex pilot and im not trying to debate the facts.. i just think your an asshole thats all.

[dannyweston1]

John Black's Wild PPG CRASH! is crying out for your safety advice Dell...... Go on.. DO IT!!! Oh, and the majority of paramotor deaths, are caused by pilots going down into water, so why do you not stock, the Agama water rescue system? your quick release doesn't help you float!! As the WDSOP spokesman, you should be investigating that issue, SURELY!!

[imasuper0308]

@dannyweston1 Yet another great thing about the Flat Top is that it does indeed float as you can see in the tests done in my videos. All you do is bash the truth. Can you come up with anything intelligent to say at all?  Yes John got hurt with no crumple zone, no reserve and while fltying a death trap like in this video. How exactly does that help you sell death traps to people that don't know any better? Dang you are evil.

[dannyweston1]

everyone should check out Dells, WPSDA (made up by Dell) website, it only reccomends flat tops and the gliders he stocks!! Brilliant............

[imasuper0308]

@dannyweston1 Yes by all means check it out and see if you can beat the real world champion. Can you? lol. No. Also ALL brands of certified gliders are recommended so you are nothing but a liar. Actually you are more than just a liar, you are also a murderer pushing death traps onto beginners who don't know any better and knowingly causing their death. That is just evil.

[imasuper0308]

This video shows what happens when you take a collapse on paramania gliders. As is obvious they can't pass any certifications at all because of the horrible catatrophic results to collapses and numerous people have died on them already. Just look at the other posts, these people will stop at nothing to sell those totally uncertified gliders. They literally tell people these gliders are impossible to collapse when they are actually far more likely to collapse because the pilot has no control.

[imasuper0308]

@pk032547 Not one single reflex glider on the planet is certified. The second you put it in reflex mode the certifications go out the window. Suggesting there is such a thing as a "certified" "reflex" glider is a huge gigantic fraud. Pushing that fraud is no different then denying and trying to hide all the deaths. One of my customers just had his best friend die right in front of him on this same paramania death trap. He hit so hard his body partially exploded. Another died in Peru.

[imasuper0308]

@pk032547 Nope, all certified gliders can be flow at full speed in their certified configuration without becoming nightmare death traps. Reflex gliders cannot be flown at full speed or any speed at all above trim speed in a safe manner. They are death traps. How is that even a close comparison?? These people that just died, did so because they were flying death traps. Had they been on certified gliders they would have almost for sure lived. There isn't one single good thing about reflex.

[imasuper0308]

@pk032547 Yea truth cool-aid. Have you ever personally tested those gliders?? I have. I'm just posting what I know to keep people from dying for no reason. Then you go bashing that when you have no clue what you are talking about. That is just lame, why do you bash information you have zero logical or intelligent way to refute??? I almost died safety testing a paramania, I can't believe you sick bastards bashing me for trying to warn people about them.

[imasuper0308]

@pk032547 You haven't flown anything until you have flown a K2 or Eris III RS from Sky Paragliders. The whole sport has changed forever. Selling that reflex crap is just ridiculous. There is no performance gain and very clear and deadly safety disadvantaged. Pretty clear even from the posts here that those who push them are murderers & liars who think nothing of killing people.

[imasuper0308]

@pk032547 High performance??? It is a slow pile of crap. Who wants to race their paramania against a quality certified beginner glider and put $25,000 on it? Anyone? Anyone at all? The glide ratio of the paramania crap is so bad that a typical Top 80 runs out of power long before you can even get ot full speedbar. Who wants to race? Anyone? Stick to the truth, there is absolutely no reason for people to keep dying.

[dannyweston1]

@imasuper0308 the TRUTH is Dell, that PARAMANIA wouldn't give you a dealership!! So you spend your time, abusing them in revenge attacks on youtube!! your a bitter twisted man!

[imasuper0308]

@dannyweston1 You don't even make any sense. I AM a paramania dealer, I just tell the truth about equipment and call a death trap a death trap instead of lie about it like you do. Where have I bashed paramania at all? I've stated the obvious truth. Just look at the dang video, THAT is what happens when they collapse. Since they have no performance or stability benefit at all and their safety is horrible there is absolutely no reason to even consider them. That's just reality.

[imasuper0308]

2 more people just died on these wings, for the information just look at the ppgtruth yahoo group. You can see here what type of people push reflex gliders. They try to hide all the deaths and lists of injuries and continue to promote these totally uncertified gliders onto beginners. Certified gliders pass those certifications for a reason. There isn't one single certified reflex glider on the market. Not one. Put it in reflex mode and they are death traps waiting to kill again.

[dannyweston1]

@imasuper0308 Nothing there Dell...... And why is it, you don't comment on "John black's Wild PPG CRASH!"????? isn't that a NONE reflex wing???? or is it, that your a coward? or because PARAMANIA, would not give you a dealership!!!! Or both! You don't care about safety, just PROFIT... And your losing out, with your old fashion wings and heavy unsafe flat tops.. Kiss goodbye to the future of paramotoring Dell....

[imasuper0308]

No need to die, there is absolutely no performance gain to paramania crap so no reason to even tempt death for any reason. They just suck.

[krasnyoktabr33]

pascyy is right,i fly paramania and A&C reflex all i can say this are one of the best ppg wings on the market today.

[imasuper0308]

@krasnyoktabr33 lol, we can see how NOT good it is from this video silly:). What do you think is good about it? It doesn't glide for crap, isn't as fast as high quality wings, doesn't have the safety, is horrible to launch, doesn't handle for crap... What is it you think is best?? That makes no sense at all.

[imasuper0308]

Also note this glider was in its "safest" configuration. The glider was at trim speed. If you like that safety you should see what it does in death trap mode with the trims out!! I almost died doing some basic safety tests on these wings that any certified glider would have no problem with. reflex gliders are a nightmare.

[imasuper0308]

@pk032547 I've never seen even one single person on one of those reflex pieces of junk that can even perform one of the tasks in the WPSDA World Championships let alone be competitive so not sure what you are talking about. You simply can't compete on the death traps, they don't have the performance needed to be competitive. Plus the safety is terrible and they are pretty much impossible to launch in no wind at higher altitude so what is the point of even talking about them other than to warn?

[imasuper0308]

@pk032547 lol, I'm talking about the real World Championships, none of the guys you refer to can even complete 1 single task in the WPSDA World Championships. They can't even complete a task let alone compete. reflex gliders are total crap, all you are seeing is a bunch of marketing hype that has nothing to do with reality. Just watch the videos of the WPSDA World Championships and see if those other guys can even come close to competing. They need to get real equipment to compete.

[imasuper0308]

@pk032547 Well no need to insult them, I don't think it is very nice to say even a fool can whoop them lol. Can any of them complete a task from the WPSDA World Championships? You would think a World Champion could at least complete one task from the Championships don't you think? lol. Just be realistic though, nobody on those gliders can compete, they just can't. It is impossible because of the huge gigantic disadvantage of having such a poorly designed wing.

[imasuper0308]

@pk032547 I already have, the WPSDA is the best competition in the world. No BS, no politics, no traveling around the world. Skill against skill alone. Anyone in the world can post a video and if they are the winner it will be obvious to all. Anyone can compete in the World Championships from anywhere. Just post a video & win. Take as many tries as you like. No luck to it. The best pilot in the world is the champion. That's a real competition.

[pascyy]

WPSDA = Word Powered Slanderous Demented Ass

OR better DSSOMC = Dell Shmanzees Stupid One Man Competition

The best one I heard about this guy is.... DBM = Dirty Business Man

[imasuper0308]

@pascyy 3 days ago yet another person died on one of these death traps after taking a collapse at 500 ft that never recovered. Any certified glider would have recovered but the paramania death trap didn't. Only those who lie think it is dirty to tell the truth. You can't cheat in the WPSDA World Championships pascyy. Go ahead and try to beat the champ. Hire anyone you like, pay them a million dollars to beat the champion lol. Have fun trying as you can't wing on paramania crap.

[imasuper0308]

@pk032547 Not just one but 2 people have died in the last month. I believe one was in Peru and the other was in the middle east somewhere. Just look at the video though, doh! People are going to die if they fly those death traps. It just can't get any more obvious than this video can it? How can someone even question the validity of a video showing what happens after a collapse?? These things should be banned. Pushing them onto beginners should land you in jail.

[pascyy]

@pk032547  Thats because DELLboy is full of SHIT! and just another DBBM = Dirty Badmouth Business Man.. Such a shame. I have met him in the US and he was like a 'Tape Recorder boy' or skipping record. Impossible to get a word in edge ways... and frankly not worth listening to anyway...

[dannyweston1]

@imasuper0308 I would be very interested in the reports Dell, please post some evidence!! or Delete your lies!! The fact is, that you'l reply with more and MORE LIES!! NO EVIDENCE will emerge!!! I cannot work out, if you just like winding people up, and take pleasure from it, or that this is just, a dirty business tactic, that your renowned for... your a sinner Dell!! Either way..

[dannyweston1]

@imasuper0308 Still at it, I see Dell... making a complete arse of yourself!! WSDPO world champion, and ONLY competitor!! I LOVE IT, than no one, has any interest in your WDSPA one man mission!! Dell Shanze, the biggest laugh in paramotoring..

[spsslc]

The pilot was fully aware of the want he was doing. He was showing why you should not use speed bar with the trims in on an Action GT. This is common knowledge for any decent ppg pilot. It is true for many reflex wings.

[Piga87]

czemu się tak stało ????? O.o

błąd pilota czy jakiś rotor ?

[Niokr]

read rescripiton.

Main reason is that paramania gliders is a piese of shit

[Blacke30]

A comment as harsh as that needs more detail, otherwise your full of it.

[guitarpilot1]

flying a pair of panties around is funny!!! If your interested in real aviation, try flying a wing. Try hang gliding.  BE A MAN!!!

[HotGaSoLine]

But paraglider is actually a wing, BE A SMART MAN !!!

[kennethHaugan]

Hangliding?? is it still ppl flying that???

[callofduty01234]

wow mákos a gyerek :D

[PPGAddict]

Ali

Never say a wing will not collapse that is just simply not accurate. To say it is highly resistant may be a more accurate description.

[smad333]

It was speed bar and trimmers which gave the wing a camber which cannot work on a parachute and therefore front collapsed, beautfiul recovery though, reflex rules!

[alihammadi85]

the question is:

if you follow the manufacturer's instructions manual, will you have a collapse at all!? no way.

i flew the ActionGT and tested it in the shittiest thermic conditions that you could ever imagine. the wing was amazingly stabilizing it self with no pilot input at all, i could even see half the lines were going slack, but nothing seriously happened.

and just for your info, i am not the dealer for any brand :)

[Blacke30]

If only someone had some video proof of this, I never see anything besides reflex in smooth air. You should post something up for the rest of us to see.

Jeff

[alihammadi85]

the first part of my comment was for the guy who calls himself "imasuper0308"

my second part, is for every logical person.

[dave00009]

Granted, the wing re-opened very quickly, but, if that pilot deliberately collapsed the wing, at that height, he might benefit from a little advice from a friend, or a"check-up from the neck up"!!

[paraplanru]

is backflip normal recovery way? i dont think so.

[pascyy]

RTFM!!

[paraplanru]

and what there written? do not touch brakes with open trimmers? or "we cant guarantee any adequate reaction of our gliders, so, be ready for backflip when you touch brakelines"?

[pascyy]

No your wrong!

You can use brake when trimmers on fast! infact you can be even heavier on the brakes then trimmers on slow (Paraglider like slow).

[pascyy]

Can you imagine to do that when in your car? 5th gear full speed and suddenly to pull the handbrake...!!!

Or to apply a lot of air brakes on a cessna at full speed..? you would rip the wings off!

And at full speed Paramania wings are quite fast for a paraglider at 60kph. and very resistant to 'NATURAL' collapses from turbulence.

Im guess you have never tried one??

[pascyy]

The pilot did exactly what is said in BIG RED in the manual and even on the trimmers now...

He was on FULL speed bar, then he yanked down on the 30cm trimmer rang from full fast to slow....

[pascyy]

Sorry, meant to say 'The pilot did exactly the opposite of what is said in the manual.... RTFM :)

[pascyy]

@paraplanru @paraplanru I guess If you had read the manual you wouldn't be posting these stupid comments.... ;-)

[ParaglidingManiac]

Are normal wing cheaper from reflex? How much does a reflex wing cost?

[nortonroad]

I have flown hundreds of hours on my Paramania Action. Never had a moments worry. The sky looks non-thermic. Does anybody know what caused this? I mean somebody who knows - not just blatherers.

[BALLYHEIGUEBOY]

well i dont know much about but if you read the imfo on the video i think he did that on purpose cause he tells you how to!!

[alihammadi85]

Manual reading is the most important think in airsports!

[cra3y]

correction: pilot flied with trimmer settings in fastest position + speedbar, then he changed trimmer to slowest position without release speed bar.

[cra3y]

paraplanru wrote: "in this case speedsystem means "minus-trimmer"" and "Pilot dont use accelerator. He had just open minus-trimmer and pull some break."

has he used speed system or not (pushed by legs - not trimers or brakes)?

[rszemeti]

"there is not good, that a pilot of a glider must read something in user manual. glider must just fly safe."

Oh right ... so you should be able to just ignore the operating handbook, do exactly what it says not to and *still* be safe? Jeez, its an aeroplane, try ignoring the operating procedure in any modern aircraft and you'll hurt yourself. Luckily for this guy, the wing recovered itself in less than 100 feet and flew on like nothing had happened. You don't get that in many aircraft!

[ariskol]

"Do not use Speedsystem without Trimmer!"

The Pilot tries to fly a power-paraglider as a normal paraglider

He don't need use Speedbar system with low speed and brakes. {

He don't fly in the side of mountain as paraglider

The Speedbar in every power- glider is only for the final speed {50+} with open trim

Do not fly paramotor with mentality of paraglider

Paramotor { specially reflex wings} flies with mentality of plane.

[satovod]

bullshit

[ariskol]

It is easy clerks nothing jast bullshit

[pascyy]

Why wont the person who posted this video allow comments from the actual manufacturer 'Paramania' to explain what is happening here?

[imasuper0308]

@pascyy Probably because the manufacturer are liars who threaten anyone that tells the truth about them. This video doesn't like, it is exactly what I"ve also experienced personally when those pieces of crap collapse. It is a nightmare. Pushing these death traps onto beginners is just evil.

[imasuper0308]

@pascyy Because the manufacturer is a total liar. It doesn't matter that this collapse was caused on purpose. The result stands the same. When totally uncertified death trap gliders collapse THAT is what happens. That's why so many poeple have died on reflex death traps. It's hard to believe people like you still push these things onto beginners. How many people are now dead just from Paramania alone? How many Pascyy? Even you pounded into the ground after your glider collapsed. oops!

[dannyweston1]

@imasuper0308 Dell, you where banned from the beach blast! I guess you have nothing to do, but attack all the wing manufacturers that won't let you deal there equipment, how sad for you!

[pascyy]

@imasuper0308 How much time do you spend on youtube each day Dell talking utter crap to people that don't know better, that must be a record right there!

Self-proclaimed World Champion ppg panzy! (shanze panzy :D)

Must be a lonely world for you man!

[imasuper0308]

@pascyy Z More name calling I see but not a shred of logic to explain why anyone would want the total death trap paramania glider in this video that so many people have died on. Pretty sick you care nothing for people's lives and instead of wanting to solve the blatantly obvious problem in this video you instead call names to those who warn people of the dangers. That is really sick. I'm glad people can read what you say as they should know the mentality of those at paramania.

[alihammadi85]

@imasuper0308 Dell,for fucks sake, get a life. and why the were you banned from the beach blast anyway?! i'll tell you why, because you're a fucking bullshitter who you never stop talking like an old lady, about how her grandson is sooo good at school! and he passes all the tests bla bla bla

just get a life or atleast a girlfriend that would listen to your crap and leave you after to hours!

We all believe you're a fucking good pilot, but when it comes to your personality, you need a shrink!

[pascyy]

@alihammadi85 There is a clear article about this guy on the USPPA the official US Powered Paragliding association WARNING about this nob jockey. Just google ' Dell Schanze - How to Deal With A Narcissist ' and all is explained about this guys case!!! Nuff said!

[alihammadi85]

@pascyy I know man! he's not even liked by his own American people. He has nothing else but YouTube which is his only world.

[clamb147]

@pascyy Lol, I thought it was only me that thought Dell was a load of shit. He's constant bragging is very annoying to me, and decieving for people wanting to get into PPG.

[aboomcar]

@imasuper0308 Mr Super DELL how many people do you think has died due to all the performances you do @utube if they try to copy this. you are a great pilot no doubt,but guy's trying to copy this may end up dead if they fly standard certified gliders or reflex "Death traps",) Anyhow std certfied gliders will not perform like tested when loadet with different harness or higher paylod than tested so as to tested or not you will often end with a total differnt result due to engine torque aso

[aboomcar]

@imasuper0308 I fly my GT all day and in strong or lght conditions often hands of in mid day condition thermals and wind I HAVE FLOWN MAC, DUDEK,APCO ,TREKKING ,OZONE ,GIN ,UP, NOVA AND PARAMANIA,I ended on Paramania because this was without doubt the most stable glider for handsoff flyin' (Airview photo)Norway has some rough weather and no gliders compare with the speed and stability to Paramania (Dudek is close on some new models yet not the same experience)Paramania IS HONEST

[mjufpn]

Looks very dangerous I think people are going to kill them self on this one

[imasuper0308]

Those things are death traps. When they collapse the pilot loses all control. I took a collapse on a paramania revo and instantly all the lines went slack, the glider did a 180 right at the ground and I was left hanging with riser twists until I plunged right at the ground completely helpless. It is not a good feeling.

[skydancerNL]

in seven colours!

[tjwright]

I would have pooped in the sky just like a bird!

[flyboytim32]

10 hale Maries a brown streak and wet pants!

Glad the pilot was ok and would love to read his views and a detailed explanation of what led upto the frontal colapse!

[paraplanru]

Dear Socket. Pilot dont use accelerator. He had just open minus-trimmer and pull some break. If you have a reflex-type wing, you can check it by youself. But i ask you to get enough altitude. :)

there is not good, that a pilot of a glider must read something in user manual. glider must just fly safe.

[Socke001]

The Pilot hast no open the Trimmer and use the Speedsystem, thats dangerous, you can read this in the manual. "Do not use Speedsystem without Trimmer!"

This Problem is only a Problem of the Pilot in this Video.

[paraplanru]

yetivolant: in this case speedsystem means "minus-trimmer". Reflex wings cannot turns by brakelines (clevants) on high speed mode. Dudec develop a TST system specially for trimmer-off mode, but that of steering is not much effictive..

[yetivolant]

my question is for PARAPLANRU :When you talk about the speed system , are you reffering to the accelerator/speed bar ???and pulling on the brake at the same time ???

[para70jt]

The self recovery is very impressive however. Others would have not snapped back open.

[imasuper0308]

How do you call doing a backflip a good recovery???

[alihammadi85]

you said to me earlier that you're a dealer for paramania as well, why would you become a dealer of a product that you personally think is the worst ever? you are simply a "super bla bla bla". lol

Gentlemen, if the guy in the video followed the manufacturer's manual instructions, he would have never got his self into this situation.

[imasuper0308]

I'm a dealer because you never know who is going to make the next best thing which is why I'm a distributor for so many different brands. This guy caused this collapse but the bottom line is that this is HOW the glider responds to a collapse. It doesn't matter if he gave himself the collapse, the huge problem is the results. A back flip over your lines and total loss of control is not something you want to happen every single time you take a collapse. This glider fails the test. Next...

[para70jt]

Reflex airfoil is for hanggliders only! Ask Mike why he used if for paragliders. Reflexing puts the CG up front making it more prone to frontal collapse. No wonder why DHV doesnt like it.

[flyboytim32]

Adding an amount of reflex to a wing seems ok as with Aspen 2 freeflying wing but a full reflex high speed wing seems very dynamic after a colapse, not safe near the ground? would love to try the GT on a SIV.