Disabled Veterans Gather for Festival

[Smartassawhip]

Anyone who doesn't think that men like these are heroes should get the hell out of this country.

[3slimdog]

I agree Smartass, we can't do enough for these Soldiers. They were willing to die for this country, that alone makes them heros.

[GammalSvenska]

If they'd done it defending their country, I'd agree.

But they attacked another country, they destroyed human life. Does it make them soldiers, too? Bombing houses and then ask the inhabitants to become Christians - because their own religion is too violent and Christianity isn't?

Is this what a hero should do?

Answer with your heart, it can't be fooled.

[3slimdog]

Gamma, You replyed to me. Now wait a minute. I said these soldiers were willing to die for their country, They are heros. Don't ever fuckin forget that. I agree about Iraq, but blame Bush not the Soldiers. Bush even said Iraq did nothing to us. The Soldiers are sent out by the government. You try to say they had a choice. Fuck you twice over. I am sorry about your family but don't blame the American Soldiers. OUR Soldiers are HEROS. Get the fuck out, if you don't like it here!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GammalSvenska]

Okay, destroying lives is part of being an American Hero.

Just wanted to be sure of that.

*shrug*

[not8upwthit]

Thats wrong Wanda you should take that shit off !

I don't get it ! you must be really fucked up!

[BinkieMcFartnuggets]

A breathtaking four-day fun fest is the LEAST that can be done for these heroes!

[GammalSvenska]

They'd been heroes if they had refused to take a country apart.

War is no answer and people participating are no heroes. Never. Never. Never.

[3star2nr]

would you take a bullet for this country?

Thought so

Respect and honour the soldier not the orders hes given

[GammalSvenska]

I do not care very much about America and so I won't take a bullet for it.

Anyway, I am ready to die for my country if it is in danger. Which means DEFENDING my country, not attacking another.

Heroes are medics, doctors, people taking care of elderly people. Not people destroying life because some errant president wishes so.

Furthermore, heroes are soldiers REFUSING to take part in such an ugly, useless war. Not those getting wounded there.

Respect the soldiers who can think what they do.

[3star2nr]

When your in the armed forces, its your duty to follow all orders given and to obey the commander in chief.

You cant disregard orders because you dont like policy, or dont like the president.

That would be treason, and you would be court martialed.

Many of those soldiers flatly didnt have a choice, they were doing what their country asked them to do.

You cannot dishonor them like that. Even if you disagree with the war. I do too. Honour the sacrifice they made

[GammalSvenska]

I do not know the situation in America, but here in Germany you have a choice - to join the forces or not to do so at all.

And those who do have the choice to leave country or not to. The soldiers fighting/serving in foreign countries have had the choice.

I respect what they did, but I do not call them heroes. Heroes had had the courage to go to court.

[3star2nr]

No its not the same here in America. Enlisting is voluntary, but once you've joined you go where your sent. You dont have the option of not going or chosing to disobey an order.

If you do its considered going AWOL or worse Treason. You will be court martialed for it and be sent to jail.

Their are alot of troops who disagreed with the war privately, but carried out all their orders anyway. Alot of troops dislike the current president but they do as they are told

[GammalSvenska]

I see your point.

The military pays too good, then... but being a soldier is being told not to think and to obey. Well, self-made problem.

What I pity is those soldiers who understand afterwards what they let and made happen. But I can't understand those who after being wounded do want the war go on. Brainwashing maybe?

Anyway, you have no right to disobey here either, but you can request not to be sent away and you are not if you do not obligate for a few years (law requests 9 month).

[3star2nr]

Yup i agree with you on that point War mongerers make me sick!

They have the bloody nerve to be wanting to fight with everyone when they or their family members aret the ones getting shot at, or coming home without a limb.

The military should only be used as a last resort after all other avenues have failed.

Their are alot of people who sit on their asses and want to send them all over the world to die. Then when you disagree with them they call you unpatriotic

[3star2nr]

Have you ever heard the story of a samurai called Kusunoki Masashige?

With out getting into too much detail, he told his emperor to abandon tokyo, because the city was going to be taken over. And then regroup with some other forces and mount a counter attack. The emperor was foolish and told him to ride out to battle. Kusunoki knew this was going to led to the deaths of himself and all his men, but he carried out the order anyway, even though he knew it was wrong.

Did he die honourably?

[3star2nr]

His last words were "Would that I had seven lives to give for my country!"

A soldier follows all his commands faithfully. You dont have the right to chose in the military.

Honor the troops always because they are just following orders. Hate the ones who give them the order, not the grunt who doesnt have a choice

[GammalSvenska]

He died for nothing. IMO this is honourless.

I cannot grasp the concept of honour in such terms; why should I honour people who are not responsible for their own actions?

I honour those who stand for themselves; soldiers don't qualify here. And in the western world they had a choice to make...

But probably it is because I come from a country war has destroyed. Germany is still divided, if not on the map, then in the humans minds. Salaries, unemplyment rates... there is still a border.

[3star2nr]

Well thats the problem you have no concept of what honour is.

Your soldiers during WW2. Even though hitler was evil and what he commanded them to do was very wrong Your soldiers were never the less honourable and fought and died like men.

[3star2nr]

The soldiers are still honourable. But I agree with you that wars should stop. They are all pointless at the end of the day.

And the ones who start wars have never seen a day of battle. Thats what makes it worse.

If you think about it, no country would ever have to fight another if we all mutually respected everyone.

[Wanda4DecentValues]

Disabled veteran = someone who forgot to duck.

[RRODnDiRtY]

No ya that makes since for the people who got shot in the leg.

[waterboiy87]

woah just poseted. sweet

[chaingang911]

I post and nothing posts

what gives