We don't give people who believe in Elvis' current existence seriously, so why take religious people seriously? Why does religion get such preferential treatment? Why do we have to bow down and respect the religious minded? I have a constitutional right to NOT hear prayer in school, to NOT force my children to fear Satan, and to NOT fork over my hard earned cash to a person who spews bullshit (preacher man).
@dopeasfuckk There are the lucky few that are finally courageous enough to accept that the religion they were brought up on is infact false. It took me far too long to realize that, but better late than never i suppose.
Before an atheist can explain the bible correctly, he or she must understand it. For Mr. Harris to act like he knows and understands the bible is ridiculous. As a student of the bible for thirty plus years, I can tell you that Mr. Harris is barely at the exploratory stage of understanding. There is more to the bible than the basics of the Old Testament.
@aaa4all2000 "There is more to the Bible than the basics of the Old Testament" - Well i'm glad you cleared that all up. Now, back to the Old Testament. Are you even attempting to deny what point Sam Harris is making?
@aaa4all2000 you did not study the bible for 30 years...you spent 30 years making assumptions about the bible and based your 'study' on those assumptions so you would always come to your preconceived 'faith' about it. Now answer the basic question without copouts to, after the fact, doctrines like dispensationalism . Is the God described in Leviticus good or evil? Is the world envisioned in Leviticus good?
@aaa4all2000 The problem is that what christians call "understanding the bible", is what the rest of us call refusing to see any action of god as anything but 100% good. It's essentially looking at the bible dishonestly. To look at it honestly is to see god as the evil character he is: murderous, torturous, capricious, and quick tempered. Far from anything deserving of worship.
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Sam makes too much sense. Making sense freightens too many people. It shatters the core of their being. It unhinges the fabric of their own worth and existence. No one is going to give all this up without a fight. Good luck Sam. You'll need it. Americans are little children still believing that "Daddy" will fix everything.
FDR was a fucking abomb droping cunt not a good man at all why can sam harris allways make himself look dumb why doz it take a brit to teach the world common sense dawkins hitchins darwin wilde russell an so on try harder world u can do this
@kingpharaohtsar That was ironic, right? "Trolling", if you will? Because, amongst others, FDR was dead when the atomic bomb was dropped on Japan; Harry Truman was the president at the time that happened...
@GallagherWellerBrown in a sense yes an no while truman was worse blaim still must b layed on all that had a part in the manhattan project a very dark time in human history my country took part too im british but with war inocents is lost as so as u fight im a proud celt but i am no proud brit
@GallagherWellerBrown yes an no coz its not a simple answer the abomb was not a simple thing i tryed an failed to sum his roll up abit to simply but u get the idear i mean it was horrorfic an alot of people just ignor it at that time in history more then just hitler was doing evil things every1 was a cunt frankly but he only mentions fdr
@leftovers0@derrenbrown100 just in case my sarcasm was unclear: commas are not meant to be used to indicate the pauses you'd use when reading text aloud to yourself.
@TheOther4815 - yes, I can just see you sitting in your room with your hands over your ears repeating that to yourself. And that is the problem with religious people: they refuse to hear sense.
1. its not wrong to lie ot protect,,,its says false witness AGAINST your neighbor.
2, Jealousy when motivated by love is good burt when motivated by selfcenteredness is out of control
3. God loves us enough to jealously desire us from getting involved in negative satanic relationships. No where does it say that God is jealous of anyone's wife or husband but only that which comes from satan.
You yourself just resorted to ad hominem attacks without any argument. I on the other hand crush the argument thoroughly and then identify the atheist as a child of satan lest any be fooled by their sheeps clothing.
Now either address my numerous arguments or go somewhere else if you just wanna take up space.
Last chapter of bible. BTW they did have the knowledge of good and evil.....OBJECTIVELY. Bc God told them what to do(good) and what not to do(evil). They refused to take Gods word for it and rather trusted their own experience
"The first one is free!"...Kids dont do drugs! You dont have to try it out to see that itll wreck you.
Some jealousy right and some is wrong. Jealous with a loving intent is right. We rarely have a loving intent. God is jealous for his people and doesnt want them going astray to follow satan, for that is utterly destructive to them. Just as having an affair would be destructive to a marriage and the husband is rightly jealous of his wife that is sleeping with another.
You think its wrong bc u wanna do as you please ie. play God. Man is a slave to sin but he doesnt wanna be set free. He just wants to act out that slavery. Whatever you are doing whether slave or free do all as if you were a slave to the will of God. THat is true freedom. While atheists are slaves to evil and satan.
J919or you are one dumbshit motherfucker who is halting the course of evolution. Castrate yourself we don't need your line. Being athiest means you believe in nothing not even Satan. Calling athiest Satan worshippers is retarded. Infact. By you believing in god you also makes you believe in Satan. Means you are a believer in Satan.
@quachimba Nah. You got it wrong again. It is difficult to think in the dark isnt it?
I never said that you consciously worshipped satan. I said that u were a slave of satan. Drunks dont believe they are alcoholics either. but we all know that they are in denial. Atheists are in denial about God, thinking that if they dont think about it that it will just go away.
@j919or Ah you're back spouting your shit again are you? Get lost you worthless human. You and your beliefs are an insult to the modern man and to the whole of humanism.
@j919or That's what you have been doing for the past few days. You always resort to mudslinging with your childish accusations that people are "going to hell." Riiiiight.
@j919or Not once have you responded to any of my questions with an intelligible and logical answer. You crave these things from me but yet find it hard to produce it yourself. I hope you don't have a wife/girlfriend as I feel it's probably an extremely disappointing relationship in the bedroom. Full of confidence but unable to produce the goods but blaming it on the other person. Classic Christian!
I'll put this simply. Sam Harris and his friends are simply misinterpreting the text. The passages he targets suggest ethical treatment of slaves - and create a system whereby slaves are treated ethically, and are not slaves for life, unless they want to be. Moreover, the slave is not entirely the owner's property. That is a step away from slavery, is it not? And what about the central Jewish metaphor for God's action - the exodus - where God frees a nation of slaves from a great world power?
@MarkHolgate Let's remember that we should understand a text ON ITS OWN TERMS. But Sam & co are not even slightly interested in that, only in attacking it. And then they suggest they are people of intellectual rigour. Of 'reason'. No, they are merely ideologues noisily voicing their own point of view.
@baillou2 ""condemns slavery as sinful and wrong?"'
You think its wrong bc u wanna do as you please ie. play God. Man is a slave to sin but he doesnt wanna be set free. He just wants to act out that slavery. Whatever you are doing whether slave or free do all as if you were a slave to the will of God. THat is true freedom. While atheists are slaves to evil and satan.
Jesus was preparing them for complete abandonment to travel around the countryside where death was probable. No earthly ties. He even says to hate your own life. Obviously the meaning is not to attack or marm your live but lose it in the spread of the gospel.
So this applied only to those of that day in that setting and in that circumstance. did not command this he just warned that u wouldnt make it if u had earthly ties.
Don't expect a reply from @j919or any time soon... I think our combined intelligibleness has completely out done his pseudo-intellectualness. What an irritable little God botherer.
You dont even know the scientific method. Now apply what you wrote to any of evolution. My educated guess is that you cant and you wont for you are another school boy that cant think and has been sold a lie by his teachers and internet gurus like Harris and dawkins. Am I right? If not why?
@j919or Once again my little God botherer, you are talking out of your arse because you can not come up with any factual or intelligible argument for anything. Mainly due to the fact you have none. You know that science beats pseudo-science every time, that also works with pseudo-intellectuals as well. Stop trying so hard, your questions don't answer anything and your lack of answers only make my arguments stronger. You are BAD at this. Pray to God that you can get better.
@j919or Their preachments are not allowed to be disputed with evidence (which should and is quite easily done as they were written in the fearful and ignorant bronze age by delusional eccentric preachers) as they are the "word of God." If they can be disproved then they are NOT the word of God because God would therefore not be so "Godly" if he was in fact wrong... It's really basic. I'm really surprised you don't know this stuff. You shouldn't make this a career if you were thinking about it...
@j919or They collect evidence, they examine evidence, they produce theories, they try to disprove theories, they collect more evidence, they compare evidence and see if it conflicts with previous theories. They continue to use this method and constantly update and collect data and come to conclusions based on the data. This, believe it or not (I have good faith that you will not believe it) this is a scientific method. Once again, good night, my little Christian nutter.xxx
@j919or "Evolution uses the scientific method and is yet to be refuted." "Unlike revealed religion science does not claim to know everything and be infallible." "Your faith and words are nothing but non-evidential claims" " you know nothing more than any new-born-atheist baby."
@j919or Why did you remove your comment? I managed to read it. Once again, it was babble. But you must learn that in a debate, just shouting that something is not something that it is does not give you or your statement any credibility. Saying that cheese is not cheese when we can see it is cheese make you look like a lunatic. That is exactly what you are employing now. Evolution IS a theory based on scientific method, because it conflicts with your bronze age belief you do not like it! Simple!
@j919or If your blind ignorance won't let you see basic facts then I'm afraid you should walk away from this conversation. You're neither intelligent or worthy enough of my time.
@j919or I've never came across a theist that denies the cold basic back-to-school fact that religion of your type if FAITH based. Faith being the practice of believing something WITHOUT evidence. If you don't know that then you don't know anything.
Everything that bemols writes is pure drivel. Mere opinion. He is obviously trying to convince himself tht evolution is true and that hell is not his eternal destiny, while he is convincing me that he is a confused and scared little tot.
@j919or Prove it's drivel, give me some evidence. Respond with this logical explanation that you require as a "faith based" person (You are a walking oxymoron, emphasis on the "moron").
God is not sadistic. He has both wrath and love. Evil is self destructive. Gods wrath is against evil. God's love absorbs the evil in Himself and for those that want to be free from it, God offers forgiveness and restoration, and eternal life as a gift. For those that reject the cure and seek to infect others with their evil , God displays His wrath.
Ben complains bc he has a different set of values and a different perspective than the creator. Thereforfe he whines and complain, when he should be admitting his evil and asking the creator to change him. But he refuses bc his desire for self glory hinders him.
Ben complains bc he has a different set of values and a different perspective than the creator. Thereforfe he whines and complain, when he should be admitting his evil and asking the creator to change him. But he refuses bc his desire for self glory hinders him.
@j919or You have no answer for anything I have asked, because you know no more than I do. You can't claim to know more, because your belief is based on faith. You have the clear signs of neurosis that all fundamental religious people posses.
Eternal wrath. Or, as those with morality would call it, "overkill".
Tell me this; if your child disobeyed you by sneaking a cookie from the cookie jar, would you feel it was "justice" to soak that child with gasoline and light them on fire? Even if just for a few seconds?
God certainly created parents with love for their children and in fact all love comes from God. Hence bc you have rejected the creator ur potential to truly love disminishes.
And this is a false anaology since you are not a child of God but a child of satan. Therefore it makes sense that you would spend eternity which satan in hell.
@j919or That in no way answers my question. I am asking a question about justice.
It is not a false analogy, it is exactly what your God allegedly does to those who sin (sneaking a cookie from the cookie jar). He assigns them to an eternity of Hellfire as punishment.
If that is justice, then so is setting your child on fire for sneaking a cookie from the cookie jar.
@SeedsOfHatred Stop with the bald assertions. You must be an empty head on just a nonthinker. You cannot even discern your own false anaolgies when I point them out. Ok one more time, God doesnt send any of his children to hell. He sends children of satan to hell.
@j919or how do you know they would have been stuck if they had eaten from the tree of life?
And why should we worship jesus for his great sacrifice, if a) that was his sole purpose for existing in the first place, and b) god didn't have to send him to be killed, since there's a perfectly good tree of life in the garden..
How is it that no other animal/insect ate from either of the trees?
@numbersCH31vs17 There was nothing magical about the trees. The act of wanting the life of God provided it. The mere act of wanting the experiential knowledge of evil provided it.
After experiencing evil and becoming corrupted,eternal life would trap that one in evil forever. The treee of life appears again after the complete redemption of mankind from evil. Death is good for those that believe for it results in new life without corruption.For unbelievers, its horrible finality
@j919or wait, now where does it say that the tree of life reappears later? and for what purpose? once we have jesus, we already have everlasting life, i thought. also, the logic about free will is circular.
God gave us free will, we CHOSE to eat the fruit, and gained knowledge of good and evil. But without that knowledge in the first place, we wouldn't have been able to make a choice of good or evil because we didn't have knowledge of good and evil.
Last chapter of bible. BTW they did have the knowledge of good and evil.....OBJECTIVELY bc God told them what to do(good) and what not to do(evil). They refused to take Gods word for it and rather trusted their own experience
"The first one is free!"...Kids dont do drugs! You dont have to try it out to see that itll wreck you.
@j919or Alright, so you're saying it'd be justice to burn someone else's child if they stole from your cookie jar? It's not justice when it's your own child, but it's justice when it's someone else's?
That's exactly what you're trying to say. It doesn't matter who's "children" they are - God's or Satan's - he sends them to burn alive in horrific agony for pety crimes.
Your God is a masochist. Stop trying to justify it. It makes you just as sick as He is.
Nah. If people do evil and wont stop they are punished and bannished for the sake of all that if good.. Evil has widespread effects. Even eternal effects. Evil people reject Gods mercy and heaven. Evil people choose hell. God took all the pain and destruction of evil in himself so that evil people might go free. You fools reject that and choose hell and then complain. You totally deserve what u choose.
@j919or Really? We deserve aeons upon aeons of Hellfire and horrific torture for making a few mistakes in our short, short lifetime?
By that logic, a child deserves to be sent to his or her room for the rest of their lives - never to leave - for having sneaked a cookie from the cookie jar.
Yes, your God is an absolute masochist, because he has no concept of fairness or restraint. The fact that you don't see that just proves how sadistic you are as well.
You dont go to hell bc of a few wrong acts but bc you choose hell. All you gotta do is ask for heaven and ull get it and be changed from rebel to friend, bc heaven would be hell for the rebellious attitude.
@j919or Also, "Heaven will be Hell for the rebellious attitude"
By that logic, Hell will, in turn, be like Heaven for the rebel. So, if we enjoy where we go, no matter where that happens to be, then what's the issue? Why worry about going to Hell?
Haha, you really haven't thought any of this through rationally. Haha
That depends on ur defintion of religion. There is works religion which increases evil and there is faith and connection to the life and power of God which increases love and righteousness.
@j919or No, it's more that there is 'faith' and there is 'religion'. I have no issue with 'faith', it's a necessary thing in life, but I do not agree with 'religion' and its doctrine
There is no reason why humanity cannot be righteous and yet not believe in an entity such as God. It's almost treated as an excuse for a lot of things - that it is not the will of the singular being, but the influence of powers such as God or the Devil.
Faith as a general concept, I support. Not religion.
@j919or You can misinterpret the comments as well as I can. I pity one who suggests that personal faith is superior to not only reason and evidence, but to religious doctrine also! Your arrogance is of a collossal scale matched only by the elite psychopaths. Fallen powerlines on a rainy day will be your salvation my trolling friend.
@breaneainn ""personal faith is superior to not only reason and evidence, but to religious doctrine ""
Of course it is Dumbo. For the object of faith is superior. The object of faith is God who knows all and gives wisdom to those that ask. Human reason is limited and distorted for humans are evil and have a minute perspective...like you
@j919or Well, if you wish to resort to ad hominem attacks, I could only assume you were sexually molested by your high school science teacher. Nothing short could explain your perverse logic....unless you were sexually molested by your local priest and you liked it. Fuck off troll.
You yourself just resorted to ad hominem attacks without any argument. I on the other hand crush the argument thoroughly and then identify the atheist as a child of satan lest any be fooled by their sheeps clothing.
Now either address my numerous arguments or go somewhere else if you just wanna take up space.
I believe it all but I also believe that it all doesnt apply to everyone. Much of it is historical narrative. That means its a record of what was said and done to others. I believe its true that those things were said and done to others. Whether or not they apply to me is another matter.
@j919or Parts of the New Testament could be read as historical accounts, or historically-inspired. However, the Old Testament can very rarely be viewed that way, and as the entire concept of God and the power of a higher entity originate from the Old Testament - belief in God must therefore mean belief in the Old Testament.
These negative things mentioned by Sam Harris, these hateful debates of homosexuals and the like, all stem from passages contained within the Old Testament.
@j919or Christians are fundamentally supposed to only follow the New Testament - but many of these debates reference the Old. The reason why the two should not be combined, contrary to the decisions of the councils made centuries ago, is because they do not mesh together - simple things such as the depiction of God vary immensely between the two Testaments.
Comparing the two is like comparing the Dark Ages with the Modern World.
Prove it. Im tired of ur endless rants with no support. Opinion after opinion. You are evil and therefore who would want to even listen to ur evil opinions. Now produce some evidence to suppoort what you are saying including references from the text.
@j919or Your faith and words are nothing but non-evidential claims, that is what religion and FAITH (the belief in something without evidence) is entirely based off. You sit here claiming that you know something that we don't. This is not the case, you know nothing more than any new-born-atheist baby. Stop with your deluded neurosis and think for yourself. Be kind to your fellow primates and live your life well without the bronze age preachments that have deluded millions for thousands of years.
@j919or Another great is Exodus 20:5; "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me"
More than one God? God is jealous? Is 'jealousy' not a sin? God will punish out of jealousy? Wow, so loving - so holy.
I can keep going, but I'd rather hear what you have to say first. I look forward to what will most likely be a joyfully empty response, or another "you're evil".
Jealousy is not a sin if God does it. Bc he owns everything and has rights to everything. It is not wrong for a man to be jealous of his wife, if an other man is trying to get her into bed. This is the situtation here with God. Spiritual adultery.
@j919or If that is the case, and God is free to commit sin, then precisely how does one distinguish between God and the Devil? And have we not the right to act with sin if the hands that made us the hands of a sinner?
"it is not wrong for a man to be jealous of his wife, if an other man is trying to get her into bed"
Why is this man jealous? Because another man wants his wife? So...what precisely is it this man is wanting? To be the wife? Or to be desired by the other man?
Some jealousy right and some is wrong. Jealous with a loving intent is right. We rarely have a loving intent. God is jealous for his people and doesnt want them going astray to follow satan, for that is utterly destructive to them. Just as having an affair would be destructive to a marriage and the husband is rightly jealous of his wife that is sleeping with another.
@j919or According to the bible, to steal in order to survive is wrong. To lie in order to protect is wrong. Those simple things are wrong but jealousy, which leads to such evil, can be right in different shades? Doesn't sound right.
God can't be jealous FOR his people - that is not the definition of jealousy. God would be jealous because he is not being treated the way he wants because of others - that is jealousy.
What you are thinking about is 'concern'. Don't confuse the two.
@Damon242 You are caught up on the common definition of a single English word. The original Greek word used is "zelos," which may be translated as "jealous" or "zealous/arduous." This differs from the word used to describe jealousy in the context of envy and wanting. This is where the purely modern, 21st century view of the Bible, and ignorance of the time, circumstances, and context in which it was revealed leads to so much misinterpretation and false understanding.
@CajunCoder In short, you cannot judge things based on your own definitions, when they differ from the writer's intended definition. Nor can you attempt to extract the meaning of a passage without understanding its context. The argument that Harris presents is, sadly, based on ignorance, and lacks the objectivity and examination that science itself, which he claims to adhere to, requires. He merely passes ignorant judgment without examination.
@CajunCoder Ironically, you are ignorant of the context of Harris' statements. As the Bible is taken so literally by those he addresses, so too must his approach to the text.
As these passages are imperatives, they must be taken as they are - without taking into consideration time, circumstance, and context(which as aforementioned, cannot truly be and certainly is not by the addressed).
@CajunCoder Besides, all of this discussing between us is unnecessary - as what you described perfectly compliments Harris' statements.
If the time, circumstance, and context, must be taken into consideration when translating the Bible, and if this is the issue of the 21st century understanding of it, then it has no relevance in the modern world. This relevancy is precisely what Harris is putting into question.
@CajunCoder Taken as it was at the time of its incarnation, torn apart in today's world - dissected and analyzed.
The Bible served a purpose back in the day, but in today's world other things have risen to better take its place. The Bible is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
@Damon242 While I see where you are coming from, I think that is a rather narrow-minded and somewhat arrogant view. I am a Historian, and it is my job to humble myself and understand the past. Even among Historians, I see this trend to want to oversimplify and reduce the past; to make sweeping statements, judgements and assumptions without seeking a deeper understanding of the subject. It is human nature, perhaps, to want to simplify, judge, and label things.
@CajunCoder But in doing so, we do ourselves, and the truth and meaning of whatever we seek to study a disservice. The world, and human experience is vast and complex. To dismiss and seek to discredit anything without first appreciating it is merely the result of arrogance and ignorance. The truth about any subject is not so obscure that it cannot be known - it just requires more effort, and humility to understand than most people are willing to commit.
@CajunCoder There is much timeless wisdom left to us throughout recorded History. The view that we are now "better" than we were before is an arrogant one when you truly begin to study human nature. We have a better understanding of the world around us, but human nature itself has not. We have the same successes and make the same mistakes. We succeed and fail for the same reasons. We do the same things today as ever before only in different and sometimes more complicated ways.
@CajunCoder To sum up what I am trying to say, everything is relevant when you take time to understand its relevance.
The bane of understanding is pride and arrogance; seeking to believe or dismiss what we will based on what we perceive to be a "functional understanding" of something. Christians are no less guilty of this than people like Harris, but that is not a valid excuse or justification.
@CajunCoder It's precarious territory when a Historian begins discussing such things pertaining to sociology, psychology, and even philosophy.
How can we appreciate something that has no credibility? When we analyze the Bible we identify its function, and that function was perhaps necessary in the day of its incarnation but in today's society, with the ability of global communication and the rise of science and academia, the Bible has become obsolete.
@CajunCoder Humankind is what must be believed, not an omniscient, magical entity.
"I think that is a rather narrow-minded and somewhat arrogant view. I am a Historian, and it is my job to humble myself and understand the past"
Or create relevance for every relic of the past. If you are what you say you are, then I understand your point. However, history is what has brought us here - and if here is undesirable, then surely history has done some wrong, and things must change.
@CajunCoder Reagen said that "There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect"
The Bible served its purpose in the past, but it serves little purpose today. The Catholic Church and other such Christian organizations have made attempts to transform passages of the Bible in order to relate to today's world. However, this in itself only shows how increasingly irrelevant it is becoming.
@CajunCoder Though your response there might have read like poetry, it's rather empty of substance - saying all it needed to say within the first few sentences, thereafter only repeating itself.
It also failed to address any of the points I raised previously, and stands more as the hegemonic "what if" rather than anything substantial.
@CajunCoder Your argument is based on ignorance then as, for then what makes you qualif
It was translated as such because the alternatives did not fit the context. Do keep in mind as well that no one today could truly understand the time and circumstances, and that if the Bible is truly mistranslated, then that throws the entirety of today's teachings into question
@CajunCoder As it is also all supposedly God's word (unless one wishes to recognize the Bible as what it is, a human product), the "time, circumstances, and context" are entirely irrelevant.
Note: If I didnt refute all of these atheist arguments and just remained silent, youd all think you were right. So if someone doesnt refute these arguments that you read, does that make them right, until they are refute? My point is that yall are not critical thinkers and just blindly believe what these atheist gurus tell you. Its your eternity, where will you spend it?
why would god have his son nailed to a cross to give us everlasting life, when he put a "tree of life" in the garden of eden, which would have had the same effect, except that he forbade adam and eve from eating it and guarded it with a flaming sword?
A&E couldve eaten the tree of life before they sinned but after they sinned that same tree would have caused they to be stuck in their corruption. But they wanted to eat the one tree that was forbidden as they ignored the tree of life. Today people ignore the free gift of God which is eternal life. It doesnt make sense but I ignored it for so long too.
@SeedsOfHatred Why would you ask me these questions? You have already called me a troll and advised another to not waste his time with me. You said, "He is not even remotely worth your efforts" You are a hypocrite!
@j919or I'd be a hypocrite if I were debating you. However, this is not debate. I am genuinely curious about these questions. If you feel that you are unable to answer them, you simply need to say so.
@j919or Come on, kiddo. They're really very simple questions that anyone so well-versed in the Bible and God's intentions for us could easily answer. You're answering my questions on other videos; why not this one?
We don't give people who believe in Elvis' current existence seriously, so why take religious people seriously? Why does religion get such preferential treatment? Why do we have to bow down and respect the religious minded? I have a constitutional right to NOT hear prayer in school, to NOT force my children to fear Satan, and to NOT fork over my hard earned cash to a person who spews bullshit (preacher man).
outlaw87100 1 day ago
if you don't adopt reason early it will make you look at your life and say WTF, and you will try to deny it.. like all religious fucks.
dopeasfuckk 4 days ago
@dopeasfuckk There are the lucky few that are finally courageous enough to accept that the religion they were brought up on is infact false. It took me far too long to realize that, but better late than never i suppose.
beaster29 3 days ago
@beaster29 May I ask what religion you apostatized from?
writersblock26 11 minutes ago
If Jesus says slavery is grand, then that's good enough for me, not so good for the slaves though...
minnescanada 5 days ago
Before an atheist can explain the bible correctly, he or she must understand it. For Mr. Harris to act like he knows and understands the bible is ridiculous. As a student of the bible for thirty plus years, I can tell you that Mr. Harris is barely at the exploratory stage of understanding. There is more to the bible than the basics of the Old Testament.
aaa4all2000 1 week ago
@aaa4all2000 is the old testament immoral, yes or no?
Before a christian will try to justify genocide and slavery and slaughter, he or she must first realize what the fuck they are doing.
Arrogance and condescension does not suit you.
viridismonasteriense 6 days ago 2
@aaa4all2000 "There is more to the Bible than the basics of the Old Testament" - Well i'm glad you cleared that all up. Now, back to the Old Testament. Are you even attempting to deny what point Sam Harris is making?
commoncents78 6 days ago
@aaa4all2000 come on, give us a break.
You studied the Bible for that long and you took the conclusions you wanted to take so it wouldnt affect your own beliefs.
ChuckLee775 5 days ago
@aaa4all2000 you did not study the bible for 30 years...you spent 30 years making assumptions about the bible and based your 'study' on those assumptions so you would always come to your preconceived 'faith' about it. Now answer the basic question without copouts to, after the fact, doctrines like dispensationalism . Is the God described in Leviticus good or evil? Is the world envisioned in Leviticus good?
funcpl2741054 4 days ago 2
@aaa4all2000 The problem is that what christians call "understanding the bible", is what the rest of us call refusing to see any action of god as anything but 100% good. It's essentially looking at the bible dishonestly. To look at it honestly is to see god as the evil character he is: murderous, torturous, capricious, and quick tempered. Far from anything deserving of worship.
beaster29 3 days ago
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waketheoblivious 2 weeks ago
"Is it the bible that guides one's morals... Or one's morals guiding one's perception of the bible?"
-Qualiasoup
If the latter, then why need the bible at all?
lienmor2 2 weeks ago 6
Any word uttered by Sam makes more sense than any page in the bible.
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pitbull103 2 weeks ago 7
Sam Harris - intelligence right there.
Religion - Lemming-like living right there.
sjatox 2 weeks ago
Sam makes too much sense. Making sense freightens too many people. It shatters the core of their being. It unhinges the fabric of their own worth and existence. No one is going to give all this up without a fight. Good luck Sam. You'll need it. Americans are little children still believing that "Daddy" will fix everything.
Handiman544 2 weeks ago 24
@Handiman544 - We are all still "little children" does not make Santa real.
But, children do grow up... Sometimes.
Rocketryman 3 days ago
FDR was a fucking abomb droping cunt not a good man at all why can sam harris allways make himself look dumb why doz it take a brit to teach the world common sense dawkins hitchins darwin wilde russell an so on try harder world u can do this
kingpharaohtsar 3 weeks ago
@kingpharaohtsar That was ironic, right? "Trolling", if you will? Because, amongst others, FDR was dead when the atomic bomb was dropped on Japan; Harry Truman was the president at the time that happened...
GallagherWellerBrown 2 weeks ago
@GallagherWellerBrown in a sense yes an no while truman was worse blaim still must b layed on all that had a part in the manhattan project a very dark time in human history my country took part too im british but with war inocents is lost as so as u fight im a proud celt but i am no proud brit
kingpharaohtsar 2 weeks ago
@kingpharaohtsar Just to clarify, then... FDR was not indeed an "abomb droping cunt"?
GallagherWellerBrown 2 weeks ago
@GallagherWellerBrown yes an no coz its not a simple answer the abomb was not a simple thing i tryed an failed to sum his roll up abit to simply but u get the idear i mean it was horrorfic an alot of people just ignor it at that time in history more then just hitler was doing evil things every1 was a cunt frankly but he only mentions fdr
kingpharaohtsar 2 weeks ago
@leftovers0 @derrenbrown100 just in case my sarcasm was unclear: commas are not meant to be used to indicate the pauses you'd use when reading text aloud to yourself.
treline999 3 weeks ago
I'll take a well formed sentence over one fractured by an ill-placed comma.
treline999 3 weeks ago
We would all be better off believing in ourselves than some ghost
Lennon4ever1 3 weeks ago
I'll take the word of God over the word of Sam.
TheOther4815 3 weeks ago
@TheOther4815 I'll take the word of Zeus, over the word of Sam
DerrenBrown100 3 weeks ago 10
@DerrenBrown100 well then you've just proven you're a moron, thanks for sharing
oneirishpoet 1 week ago
@TheOther4815
I'll take the word of Bigfoot, over the word of Sam.
leftovers0 3 weeks ago 5
@TheOther4815 - yes, I can just see you sitting in your room with your hands over your ears repeating that to yourself. And that is the problem with religious people: they refuse to hear sense.
CyeOutsider 1 week ago
@TheOther4815 I will take the word of Fairies over the word of Sam.
TheWhisperingPenis 1 week ago
@TheWhisperingPenis Lol....fairies. Wait a minute. Are fairies even real? Oh..i get it. Your just making a joke. You really agree with Sam. Cute
commoncents78 6 days ago
PEOPLE ARE STILL USING PADDLES IN SCHOOLS IN ALABAMA?? THIS ISN'T THE 19TH CENTURY!!
NorseMariner7 3 weeks ago
@NorseMariner7 No it isn't. In Alabama it's the 18th century.
TomFynn 3 weeks ago
Nah. Dude. I think u have it reversed.
1. its not wrong to lie ot protect,,,its says false witness AGAINST your neighbor.
2, Jealousy when motivated by love is good burt when motivated by selfcenteredness is out of control
3. God loves us enough to jealously desire us from getting involved in negative satanic relationships. No where does it say that God is jealous of anyone's wife or husband but only that which comes from satan.
j919or 4 weeks ago
@j919or Going to continue not to answer my questions? Fine. says a lot about the strength of your argument...
benmols 4 weeks ago
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""resort to ad hominem attacks,""
You yourself just resorted to ad hominem attacks without any argument. I on the other hand crush the argument thoroughly and then identify the atheist as a child of satan lest any be fooled by their sheeps clothing.
Now either address my numerous arguments or go somewhere else if you just wanna take up space.
j919or 4 weeks ago
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""the outright sadism""
Nah. Wrong again. Your hostility towards God is hell ...wherever you go. Whereas I have peace with God and His presence makes everything heaven.
j919or 4 weeks ago
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""tree of life reappears later?""
Last chapter of bible. BTW they did have the knowledge of good and evil.....OBJECTIVELY. Bc God told them what to do(good) and what not to do(evil). They refused to take Gods word for it and rather trusted their own experience
"The first one is free!"...Kids dont do drugs! You dont have to try it out to see that itll wreck you.
j919or 4 weeks ago
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""God is free to commit sin,""
Some jealousy right and some is wrong. Jealous with a loving intent is right. We rarely have a loving intent. God is jealous for his people and doesnt want them going astray to follow satan, for that is utterly destructive to them. Just as having an affair would be destructive to a marriage and the husband is rightly jealous of his wife that is sleeping with another.
j919or 4 weeks ago
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""condemns slavery as sinful and wrong?"'
You think its wrong bc u wanna do as you please ie. play God. Man is a slave to sin but he doesnt wanna be set free. He just wants to act out that slavery. Whatever you are doing whether slave or free do all as if you were a slave to the will of God. THat is true freedom. While atheists are slaves to evil and satan.
j919or 4 weeks ago
j919or cross-dresses to confuse satan
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or got run over by a church van and had a near-life experience
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or went to Lourdes for the tennis match, not the water.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
More?
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or Gets cosy with the pastor and a bottle of cleanskin sacramental wine.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or has faith that jesus will repair the rust in his moms false leg.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
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breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or Quotes "Deuteromomy" , checking coupons at the 7 items or less checkout.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or skydives on "Faith" alone.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or WAS descended from a monkey. Scientists baffled.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or thought "Rapture" was a Justin Beiber cologne and was left behind.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or failed woodwork in highschool due to stigmata.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or has a masters degree in loin-cloth manufacture.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or inherited webbed toes from his sand-living ancestors
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or uses satnav to find jesus
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or prays for victims of prostrate cancer
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919 blogs confessional
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or does it on his knees.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or leaks when it rains because he's holier than thou.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or can't walk on water....canoe?
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or has three taps/faucets in the bathroom, hot, cold and Holy.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or went on an African safari and got lost in the desert for 40 years.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or asked for a fishing rod for xmas, because he thought you have to Fish on Friday.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or thinks lent is in your bellybutton
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
j919or bought a rubber jesus because it moves in mysterious ways
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
Thumbs up if you think J919or should go back on his meds.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
J919or you are one dumbshit motherfucker who is halting the course of evolution. Castrate yourself we don't need your line. Being athiest means you believe in nothing not even Satan. Calling athiest Satan worshippers is retarded. Infact. By you believing in god you also makes you believe in Satan. Means you are a believer in Satan.
quachimba 1 month ago
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@quachimba Nah. You got it wrong again. It is difficult to think in the dark isnt it?
I never said that you consciously worshipped satan. I said that u were a slave of satan. Drunks dont believe they are alcoholics either. but we all know that they are in denial. Atheists are in denial about God, thinking that if they dont think about it that it will just go away.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Ah you're back spouting your shit again are you? Get lost you worthless human. You and your beliefs are an insult to the modern man and to the whole of humanism.
benmols 4 weeks ago
@benmols ""spouting your shit again are you? Get lost ""
Translation: I cant logically respond to your comments so I will resort to name calling and mudslinging.
j919or 4 weeks ago
@j919or That's what you have been doing for the past few days. You always resort to mudslinging with your childish accusations that people are "going to hell." Riiiiight.
benmols 4 weeks ago
@j919or One day you will grow up my friend, and realise that your whole God fearing life has been an empty lie full of false promises. Poor guy.
benmols 4 weeks ago
@j919or Not once have you responded to any of my questions with an intelligible and logical answer. You crave these things from me but yet find it hard to produce it yourself. I hope you don't have a wife/girlfriend as I feel it's probably an extremely disappointing relationship in the bedroom. Full of confidence but unable to produce the goods but blaming it on the other person. Classic Christian!
benmols 4 weeks ago
I'll put this simply. Sam Harris and his friends are simply misinterpreting the text. The passages he targets suggest ethical treatment of slaves - and create a system whereby slaves are treated ethically, and are not slaves for life, unless they want to be. Moreover, the slave is not entirely the owner's property. That is a step away from slavery, is it not? And what about the central Jewish metaphor for God's action - the exodus - where God frees a nation of slaves from a great world power?
MarkHolgate 1 month ago
@MarkHolgate Let's remember that we should understand a text ON ITS OWN TERMS. But Sam & co are not even slightly interested in that, only in attacking it. And then they suggest they are people of intellectual rigour. Of 'reason'. No, they are merely ideologues noisily voicing their own point of view.
MarkHolgate 1 month ago
@MarkHolgate I'll go with that. But where is the passage where Jesus or God condemns slavery as sinful and wrong?
baillou2 1 month ago
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@baillou2 ""condemns slavery as sinful and wrong?"'
You think its wrong bc u wanna do as you please ie. play God. Man is a slave to sin but he doesnt wanna be set free. He just wants to act out that slavery. Whatever you are doing whether slave or free do all as if you were a slave to the will of God. THat is true freedom. While atheists are slaves to evil and satan.
j919or 1 month ago
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""Luke 14. 26".
Jesus was preparing them for complete abandonment to travel around the countryside where death was probable. No earthly ties. He even says to hate your own life. Obviously the meaning is not to attack or marm your live but lose it in the spread of the gospel.
So this applied only to those of that day in that setting and in that circumstance. did not command this he just warned that u wouldnt make it if u had earthly ties.
j919or 1 month ago
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""calling me evil""
Nah. Your blindness is once again revealed
1. I acknowledge that to the degree im not yielded to God im evil too.
2. Mt 7.1-3 is talking about brothers . That disqualifies u
3. The spiritutal man judges all things 1 cor 2.13. Get the plank out is get right with God then u can see clearly to judge
4. I see clearly that u are evil snake and getting worse. So I say beware of SOH!
j919or 1 month ago
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j919or 1 month ago
Don't expect a reply from @j919or any time soon... I think our combined intelligibleness has completely out done his pseudo-intellectualness. What an irritable little God botherer.
benmols 1 month ago
You dont even know the scientific method. Now apply what you wrote to any of evolution. My educated guess is that you cant and you wont for you are another school boy that cant think and has been sold a lie by his teachers and internet gurus like Harris and dawkins. Am I right? If not why?
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Once again my little God botherer, you are talking out of your arse because you can not come up with any factual or intelligible argument for anything. Mainly due to the fact you have none. You know that science beats pseudo-science every time, that also works with pseudo-intellectuals as well. Stop trying so hard, your questions don't answer anything and your lack of answers only make my arguments stronger. You are BAD at this. Pray to God that you can get better.
benmols 1 month ago
And then give evidence that religion claims to know everything
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Their preachments are not allowed to be disputed with evidence (which should and is quite easily done as they were written in the fearful and ignorant bronze age by delusional eccentric preachers) as they are the "word of God." If they can be disproved then they are NOT the word of God because God would therefore not be so "Godly" if he was in fact wrong... It's really basic. I'm really surprised you don't know this stuff. You shouldn't make this a career if you were thinking about it...
benmols 1 month ago
@j919or They collect evidence, they examine evidence, they produce theories, they try to disprove theories, they collect more evidence, they compare evidence and see if it conflicts with previous theories. They continue to use this method and constantly update and collect data and come to conclusions based on the data. This, believe it or not (I have good faith that you will not believe it) this is a scientific method. Once again, good night, my little Christian nutter.xxx
benmols 1 month ago
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Give an example of evolution using the scientific method or admit that you cant.
BTW the Pope is a false teacher and the RCC is a false church and a tool of satan to dishonor God. They preach the false gospel of works Gal.1,8,9
j919or 1 month ago
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j919or 1 month ago
Take the last two paragraphs that u posted. Give me one sentence that has anything beyond ur own unsupported opinion.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or "Evolution uses the scientific method and is yet to be refuted." "Unlike revealed religion science does not claim to know everything and be infallible." "Your faith and words are nothing but non-evidential claims" " you know nothing more than any new-born-atheist baby."
Please refute all of the above,
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@j919or "Evolution uses the scientific method and is yet to be refuted."
Again this is mere opinion, give me an example of evolution using the scientific method
"Unlike revealed religion science does not claim to know everything and be infallible."
Show where religion claims to know everything . Then define who is religion.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Evolution DOES use the scientific method, you have a fundamental problem with this understanding, you should not be debating it.
The pope and the church claim constantly that they are the infallible word of God. You know a lot less than I thought.
benmols 1 month ago
@j919or Why did you remove your comment? I managed to read it. Once again, it was babble. But you must learn that in a debate, just shouting that something is not something that it is does not give you or your statement any credibility. Saying that cheese is not cheese when we can see it is cheese make you look like a lunatic. That is exactly what you are employing now. Evolution IS a theory based on scientific method, because it conflicts with your bronze age belief you do not like it! Simple!
benmols 1 month ago
@j919or Anyway, I'm off to bed now, so enjoy your grovelling prayers to your imaginary sky God tonight. I'm sure he will reply one of these day...
benmols 1 month ago
@j919or If your blind ignorance won't let you see basic facts then I'm afraid you should walk away from this conversation. You're neither intelligent or worthy enough of my time.
benmols 1 month ago
@j919or I've never came across a theist that denies the cold basic back-to-school fact that religion of your type if FAITH based. Faith being the practice of believing something WITHOUT evidence. If you don't know that then you don't know anything.
benmols 1 month ago
Everything that bemols writes is pure drivel. Mere opinion. He is obviously trying to convince himself tht evolution is true and that hell is not his eternal destiny, while he is convincing me that he is a confused and scared little tot.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Prove it's drivel, give me some evidence. Respond with this logical explanation that you require as a "faith based" person (You are a walking oxymoron, emphasis on the "moron").
benmols 1 month ago
Quote it then
j919or 1 month ago
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atheist debate will not change the fact that men who controls galaxies are men who have a belief and they believe in Force
Sidious and Vader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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and atheist like Han Solo can only watch his gun taken by the power of the force and turned to stone.......
dfdtdfdx 1 month ago
God is not sadistic. He has both wrath and love. Evil is self destructive. Gods wrath is against evil. God's love absorbs the evil in Himself and for those that want to be free from it, God offers forgiveness and restoration, and eternal life as a gift. For those that reject the cure and seek to infect others with their evil , God displays His wrath.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Why did God create evil and commits evil acts every minute of every day?
benmols 1 month ago
@benmols ""every minute of every day?""
Ben complains bc he has a different set of values and a different perspective than the creator. Thereforfe he whines and complain, when he should be admitting his evil and asking the creator to change him. But he refuses bc his desire for self glory hinders him.
j919or 1 month ago
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@benmols ""every minute of every day?""
Ben complains bc he has a different set of values and a different perspective than the creator. Thereforfe he whines and complain, when he should be admitting his evil and asking the creator to change him. But he refuses bc his desire for self glory hinders him.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or You have no answer for anything I have asked, because you know no more than I do. You can't claim to know more, because your belief is based on faith. You have the clear signs of neurosis that all fundamental religious people posses.
benmols 1 month ago
@j919or "God displays His wrath"
Eternal wrath. Or, as those with morality would call it, "overkill".
Tell me this; if your child disobeyed you by sneaking a cookie from the cookie jar, would you feel it was "justice" to soak that child with gasoline and light them on fire? Even if just for a few seconds?
No? Then why do it for an eternity?
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
@SeedsOfHatred ""wrath...child with gasoline ""
God certainly created parents with love for their children and in fact all love comes from God. Hence bc you have rejected the creator ur potential to truly love disminishes.
And this is a false anaology since you are not a child of God but a child of satan. Therefore it makes sense that you would spend eternity which satan in hell.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or That in no way answers my question. I am asking a question about justice.
It is not a false analogy, it is exactly what your God allegedly does to those who sin (sneaking a cookie from the cookie jar). He assigns them to an eternity of Hellfire as punishment.
If that is justice, then so is setting your child on fire for sneaking a cookie from the cookie jar.
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
@j919or I'm noticing a trend with you.
You boast your superiority, I ask perfectly reasonable questions, and you either side-step them or ignore them completely.
There's a word we have for this kind of behavior: cowardace.
For your own sake, stop implementing it.
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
@SeedsOfHatred Stop with the bald assertions. You must be an empty head on just a nonthinker. You cannot even discern your own false anaolgies when I point them out. Ok one more time, God doesnt send any of his children to hell. He sends children of satan to hell.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or how do you know they would have been stuck if they had eaten from the tree of life?
And why should we worship jesus for his great sacrifice, if a) that was his sole purpose for existing in the first place, and b) god didn't have to send him to be killed, since there's a perfectly good tree of life in the garden..
How is it that no other animal/insect ate from either of the trees?
I'll tell you, it's FOLKLORE.
numbersCH31vs17 1 month ago
@numbersCH31vs17 There was nothing magical about the trees. The act of wanting the life of God provided it. The mere act of wanting the experiential knowledge of evil provided it.
After experiencing evil and becoming corrupted,eternal life would trap that one in evil forever. The treee of life appears again after the complete redemption of mankind from evil. Death is good for those that believe for it results in new life without corruption.For unbelievers, its horrible finality
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or wait, now where does it say that the tree of life reappears later? and for what purpose? once we have jesus, we already have everlasting life, i thought. also, the logic about free will is circular.
God gave us free will, we CHOSE to eat the fruit, and gained knowledge of good and evil. But without that knowledge in the first place, we wouldn't have been able to make a choice of good or evil because we didn't have knowledge of good and evil.
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@numbersCH31vs17 ""tree of life reappears later?""
Last chapter of bible. BTW they did have the knowledge of good and evil.....OBJECTIVELY bc God told them what to do(good) and what not to do(evil). They refused to take Gods word for it and rather trusted their own experience
"The first one is free!"...Kids dont do drugs! You dont have to try it out to see that itll wreck you.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Alright, so you're saying it'd be justice to burn someone else's child if they stole from your cookie jar? It's not justice when it's your own child, but it's justice when it's someone else's?
That's exactly what you're trying to say. It doesn't matter who's "children" they are - God's or Satan's - he sends them to burn alive in horrific agony for pety crimes.
Your God is a masochist. Stop trying to justify it. It makes you just as sick as He is.
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
@SeedsOfHatred Your God is a masochist""
Nah. If people do evil and wont stop they are punished and bannished for the sake of all that if good.. Evil has widespread effects. Even eternal effects. Evil people reject Gods mercy and heaven. Evil people choose hell. God took all the pain and destruction of evil in himself so that evil people might go free. You fools reject that and choose hell and then complain. You totally deserve what u choose.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Really? We deserve aeons upon aeons of Hellfire and horrific torture for making a few mistakes in our short, short lifetime?
By that logic, a child deserves to be sent to his or her room for the rest of their lives - never to leave - for having sneaked a cookie from the cookie jar.
Yes, your God is an absolute masochist, because he has no concept of fairness or restraint. The fact that you don't see that just proves how sadistic you are as well.
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
@SeedsOfHatred ""God is an absolute masochist""
You dont go to hell bc of a few wrong acts but bc you choose hell. All you gotta do is ask for heaven and ull get it and be changed from rebel to friend, bc heaven would be hell for the rebellious attitude.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or You are completely ignoring the dynamics of the situation. The unfairness, the injustice, the overkill, the outright sadism.
You are a moron. Know this.
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
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@SeedsOfHatred ""the outright sadism""
Nah. Wrong again. Your hostility towards God is hell ...wherever you go. Whereas I have peace with God and His presence makes everything heaven.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Also, "Heaven will be Hell for the rebellious attitude"
By that logic, Hell will, in turn, be like Heaven for the rebel. So, if we enjoy where we go, no matter where that happens to be, then what's the issue? Why worry about going to Hell?
Haha, you really haven't thought any of this through rationally. Haha
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
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@SeedsOfHatred ""Hell will, in turn, be like Heaven ""
Nah. Hell is pictured best as a lake of fire. That is the most painful metaphor. The point is that anything becomes hell with the rebellious attitude.
j919or 1 month ago
See, if you follow the bible, you can't just pick and choose what you want to believe in; you either believe it all, or you believe none of it.
Damon242 1 month ago
@Damon242 Who told you that? Your Pastor? Fuckm whoever they are. What you KNOW stomps on what you BELIEVE any day of the week. Peace.
breaneainn 1 month ago
@breaneainn I think you've misunderstood my position. I'm against Religion, I consider it obsolete.
Damon242 1 month ago
@Damon242 ::I'm against Religion""
That depends on ur defintion of religion. There is works religion which increases evil and there is faith and connection to the life and power of God which increases love and righteousness.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or No, it's more that there is 'faith' and there is 'religion'. I have no issue with 'faith', it's a necessary thing in life, but I do not agree with 'religion' and its doctrine
There is no reason why humanity cannot be righteous and yet not believe in an entity such as God. It's almost treated as an excuse for a lot of things - that it is not the will of the singular being, but the influence of powers such as God or the Devil.
Faith as a general concept, I support. Not religion.
Damon242 1 month ago
@breaneainn "Your Pastor?"
Nah. I go to God for wisdom. But im not sure of what you mean by "that"? Please be more clear.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or You can misinterpret the comments as well as I can. I pity one who suggests that personal faith is superior to not only reason and evidence, but to religious doctrine also! Your arrogance is of a collossal scale matched only by the elite psychopaths. Fallen powerlines on a rainy day will be your salvation my trolling friend.
breaneainn 1 month ago
@breaneainn ""personal faith is superior to not only reason and evidence, but to religious doctrine ""
Of course it is Dumbo. For the object of faith is superior. The object of faith is God who knows all and gives wisdom to those that ask. Human reason is limited and distorted for humans are evil and have a minute perspective...like you
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Well, if you wish to resort to ad hominem attacks, I could only assume you were sexually molested by your high school science teacher. Nothing short could explain your perverse logic....unless you were sexually molested by your local priest and you liked it. Fuck off troll.
breaneainn 1 month ago
@breaneainn ""resort to ad hominem attacks,""
You yourself just resorted to ad hominem attacks without any argument. I on the other hand crush the argument thoroughly and then identify the atheist as a child of satan lest any be fooled by their sheeps clothing.
Now either address my numerous arguments or go somewhere else if you just wanna take up space.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or "...child of satan..."
Better the devil you know!
BTW, the circus called, they want their clown back. Just thought I'd pass the message on.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
@j919or You have no arguments, so I might just amuse myself by insulting you relentlessly for the sake of a few laughs.
I was watching porn yesterday. Man your mom has put on weight.
breaneainn 4 weeks ago
@Damon242 ""or you believe none of it""
I believe it all but I also believe that it all doesnt apply to everyone. Much of it is historical narrative. That means its a record of what was said and done to others. I believe its true that those things were said and done to others. Whether or not they apply to me is another matter.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Parts of the New Testament could be read as historical accounts, or historically-inspired. However, the Old Testament can very rarely be viewed that way, and as the entire concept of God and the power of a higher entity originate from the Old Testament - belief in God must therefore mean belief in the Old Testament.
These negative things mentioned by Sam Harris, these hateful debates of homosexuals and the like, all stem from passages contained within the Old Testament.
Damon242 1 month ago
@j919or Christians are fundamentally supposed to only follow the New Testament - but many of these debates reference the Old. The reason why the two should not be combined, contrary to the decisions of the councils made centuries ago, is because they do not mesh together - simple things such as the depiction of God vary immensely between the two Testaments.
Comparing the two is like comparing the Dark Ages with the Modern World.
Damon242 1 month ago
@Damon242 ""depiction of God vary immensely ""
Prove it. Im tired of ur endless rants with no support. Opinion after opinion. You are evil and therefore who would want to even listen to ur evil opinions. Now produce some evidence to suppoort what you are saying including references from the text.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Your faith and words are nothing but non-evidential claims, that is what religion and FAITH (the belief in something without evidence) is entirely based off. You sit here claiming that you know something that we don't. This is not the case, you know nothing more than any new-born-atheist baby. Stop with your deluded neurosis and think for yourself. Be kind to your fellow primates and live your life well without the bronze age preachments that have deluded millions for thousands of years.
benmols 1 month ago
@j919or Another great is Exodus 20:5; "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me"
More than one God? God is jealous? Is 'jealousy' not a sin? God will punish out of jealousy? Wow, so loving - so holy.
I can keep going, but I'd rather hear what you have to say first. I look forward to what will most likely be a joyfully empty response, or another "you're evil".
Damon242 1 month ago
@Damon242 ""'jealousy' not a sin?""
Jealousy is not a sin if God does it. Bc he owns everything and has rights to everything. It is not wrong for a man to be jealous of his wife, if an other man is trying to get her into bed. This is the situtation here with God. Spiritual adultery.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or If that is the case, and God is free to commit sin, then precisely how does one distinguish between God and the Devil? And have we not the right to act with sin if the hands that made us the hands of a sinner?
"it is not wrong for a man to be jealous of his wife, if an other man is trying to get her into bed"
Why is this man jealous? Because another man wants his wife? So...what precisely is it this man is wanting? To be the wife? Or to be desired by the other man?
Damon242 1 month ago
@Damon242 ""God is free to commit sin,""
Some jealousy right and some is wrong. Jealous with a loving intent is right. We rarely have a loving intent. God is jealous for his people and doesnt want them going astray to follow satan, for that is utterly destructive to them. Just as having an affair would be destructive to a marriage and the husband is rightly jealous of his wife that is sleeping with another.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or According to the bible, to steal in order to survive is wrong. To lie in order to protect is wrong. Those simple things are wrong but jealousy, which leads to such evil, can be right in different shades? Doesn't sound right.
God can't be jealous FOR his people - that is not the definition of jealousy. God would be jealous because he is not being treated the way he wants because of others - that is jealousy.
What you are thinking about is 'concern'. Don't confuse the two.
Damon242 4 weeks ago
@Damon242 You are caught up on the common definition of a single English word. The original Greek word used is "zelos," which may be translated as "jealous" or "zealous/arduous." This differs from the word used to describe jealousy in the context of envy and wanting. This is where the purely modern, 21st century view of the Bible, and ignorance of the time, circumstances, and context in which it was revealed leads to so much misinterpretation and false understanding.
CajunCoder 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder In short, you cannot judge things based on your own definitions, when they differ from the writer's intended definition. Nor can you attempt to extract the meaning of a passage without understanding its context. The argument that Harris presents is, sadly, based on ignorance, and lacks the objectivity and examination that science itself, which he claims to adhere to, requires. He merely passes ignorant judgment without examination.
CajunCoder 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder Ironically, you are ignorant of the context of Harris' statements. As the Bible is taken so literally by those he addresses, so too must his approach to the text.
As these passages are imperatives, they must be taken as they are - without taking into consideration time, circumstance, and context(which as aforementioned, cannot truly be and certainly is not by the addressed).
Damon242 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder Besides, all of this discussing between us is unnecessary - as what you described perfectly compliments Harris' statements.
If the time, circumstance, and context, must be taken into consideration when translating the Bible, and if this is the issue of the 21st century understanding of it, then it has no relevance in the modern world. This relevancy is precisely what Harris is putting into question.
Damon242 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder Taken as it was at the time of its incarnation, torn apart in today's world - dissected and analyzed.
The Bible served a purpose back in the day, but in today's world other things have risen to better take its place. The Bible is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
Damon242 3 weeks ago
@Damon242 While I see where you are coming from, I think that is a rather narrow-minded and somewhat arrogant view. I am a Historian, and it is my job to humble myself and understand the past. Even among Historians, I see this trend to want to oversimplify and reduce the past; to make sweeping statements, judgements and assumptions without seeking a deeper understanding of the subject. It is human nature, perhaps, to want to simplify, judge, and label things.
CajunCoder 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder But in doing so, we do ourselves, and the truth and meaning of whatever we seek to study a disservice. The world, and human experience is vast and complex. To dismiss and seek to discredit anything without first appreciating it is merely the result of arrogance and ignorance. The truth about any subject is not so obscure that it cannot be known - it just requires more effort, and humility to understand than most people are willing to commit.
CajunCoder 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder There is much timeless wisdom left to us throughout recorded History. The view that we are now "better" than we were before is an arrogant one when you truly begin to study human nature. We have a better understanding of the world around us, but human nature itself has not. We have the same successes and make the same mistakes. We succeed and fail for the same reasons. We do the same things today as ever before only in different and sometimes more complicated ways.
CajunCoder 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder To sum up what I am trying to say, everything is relevant when you take time to understand its relevance.
The bane of understanding is pride and arrogance; seeking to believe or dismiss what we will based on what we perceive to be a "functional understanding" of something. Christians are no less guilty of this than people like Harris, but that is not a valid excuse or justification.
CajunCoder 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder It's precarious territory when a Historian begins discussing such things pertaining to sociology, psychology, and even philosophy.
How can we appreciate something that has no credibility? When we analyze the Bible we identify its function, and that function was perhaps necessary in the day of its incarnation but in today's society, with the ability of global communication and the rise of science and academia, the Bible has become obsolete.
Damon242 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder Humankind is what must be believed, not an omniscient, magical entity.
"I think that is a rather narrow-minded and somewhat arrogant view. I am a Historian, and it is my job to humble myself and understand the past"
Or create relevance for every relic of the past. If you are what you say you are, then I understand your point. However, history is what has brought us here - and if here is undesirable, then surely history has done some wrong, and things must change.
Damon242 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder Reagen said that "There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect"
The Bible served its purpose in the past, but it serves little purpose today. The Catholic Church and other such Christian organizations have made attempts to transform passages of the Bible in order to relate to today's world. However, this in itself only shows how increasingly irrelevant it is becoming.
Damon242 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder Though your response there might have read like poetry, it's rather empty of substance - saying all it needed to say within the first few sentences, thereafter only repeating itself.
It also failed to address any of the points I raised previously, and stands more as the hegemonic "what if" rather than anything substantial.
Damon242 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder Your argument is based on ignorance then as, for then what makes you qualif
It was translated as such because the alternatives did not fit the context. Do keep in mind as well that no one today could truly understand the time and circumstances, and that if the Bible is truly mistranslated, then that throws the entirety of today's teachings into question
Damon242 3 weeks ago
@CajunCoder As it is also all supposedly God's word (unless one wishes to recognize the Bible as what it is, a human product), the "time, circumstances, and context" are entirely irrelevant.
Damon242 3 weeks ago
google "little tyke"
j919or 1 month ago
Note: If I didnt refute all of these atheist arguments and just remained silent, youd all think you were right. So if someone doesnt refute these arguments that you read, does that make them right, until they are refute? My point is that yall are not critical thinkers and just blindly believe what these atheist gurus tell you. Its your eternity, where will you spend it?
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or speaking of critical thinking.....
why would god have his son nailed to a cross to give us everlasting life, when he put a "tree of life" in the garden of eden, which would have had the same effect, except that he forbade adam and eve from eating it and guarded it with a flaming sword?
numbersCH31vs17 1 month ago
@numbersCH31vs17 ""forbade adam and eve from eating it ""
A&E couldve eaten the tree of life before they sinned but after they sinned that same tree would have caused they to be stuck in their corruption. But they wanted to eat the one tree that was forbidden as they ignored the tree of life. Today people ignore the free gift of God which is eternal life. It doesnt make sense but I ignored it for so long too.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or I have an honest question. Were Adam and Eve (and all of Mankind, really) originally meant to be vegetarian?
Also, were there scorpions in the Garden of Eden?
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
@SeedsOfHatred Why would you ask me these questions? You have already called me a troll and advised another to not waste his time with me. You said, "He is not even remotely worth your efforts" You are a hypocrite!
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or I'd be a hypocrite if I were debating you. However, this is not debate. I am genuinely curious about these questions. If you feel that you are unable to answer them, you simply need to say so.
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
@j919or Come on, kiddo. They're really very simple questions that anyone so well-versed in the Bible and God's intentions for us could easily answer. You're answering my questions on other videos; why not this one?
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago