I agree. As long as your relationship is not with the mirror, there must be discussion. Is not about having it or not, is about doing it right, and doing it right, well, is its own science,and is worth learning it.
@Raphaelus13 I agree that doing it right is the goal, but you won't know how to do it right without constant practice and repetition. Discussion is like dancing, you won't know how your partner moves until you've danced with them enough times, but once you've found your combined rhythm it is a beautiful and exhilarating feeling.
I'm very willing to accommodate and adjust to people as well...the only time that gets me into trouble is 1) when I do it based on what I *think* the other person needs or wants and 2) if I do it so much that I am somehow making a concession that hurts me in some way.
@samarazon there is that tricky balance we need to find between what *WE* think the other person "needs to hear" and what will actually help the situation.
@themefund Hah, exactly. I've found myself in situations recently where it seemed very clear to me that saying *anything* would only make it worse. It's a new and distinctly unpleasant experience.
OMG WORD. Yes, please, people getting along with each other is messy sometimes.
I can see how people might want to avoid unnecessary drama, but open-hearted conversation is much different than that.
Now, I hold open-hearted conversation as a totally achievable ideal, but I think I need more practice...I have gotten out of the custom of that over the last few years.
When I was 9, my parents separated. It was quite a shock to me, because I was just a child who was oblivious to the inner workings of my parents' relationship & therefore didn't see it coming. My parents had been married 19 years, and I hadn't noticed any signs of unhappiness (although I see more in retrospect.)
When I was 12, I spent a week with my dad and a married couple who was visiting him. They openly disagreed about some things, had spirited discussions, and yes, sometimes even arguments.
I remember so vividly telling my dad "THOSE people are going to get divorced." (What a wise 12-year old I thought I was.) And my dad explained how healthy it is to disagree, to voice one's opinions, to be able to talk about things that are bothering you. I have carried that lesson with me. Unnecessary drama in relationships & friendships is common and easily spotted, I think. True and honest exchange of ideas, even ones in conflict, is essential.
I can't stand people who keep mental lists of the offenses against them and share those only when a straw breaks the camel's back. True intimacy is created when we can share the good and the bad of how we feel about the other person in the relationship/friendship and our feelings (good and bad) about how they're treating us.
@splicegrrl I am actually going through a very similar situation to this right now, but from the parent's perspective...I'm glad that your Dad's words stuck with you, I'm in agreement with him on that count. BIG fan of clearing the air. (FWIW, thank you for sharing this)
so true. i am completely in agreeance with this. Whenever something happens that bothers me i always really need to just have everything out with that person for me to move on. It is just something that i feel helps one's friendship with that individual. I feel like we have had this conversation.. but im not sure. we talk about a lot of different things.
There's a weird balance between avoiding conflict and bringing up every little thing that's very hard to find. I've waffled between both ends of the spectrum, in varying degrees, and I don't think I've ever found that perfect medium that just works. And in all likelihood, there IS no perfect middle that works for everyone 100% of the time. (continued in next post as I'm going to run out of characters...)
(Continuing...) Conflict IS healthy, but I think that we all manage it poorly because, well...we're not psychic. Everyone responds to various social stimuli differently, so we blunder about because we don't know and are afraid of how people will respond. Someone very insecure about a decision or something they said might become very depressed or angry when someone - even politely - informs them they're being offensive. (Continued...)
(Continuing, Pt II) And that's just one example. Everyone has triggers, on both sides of the issues of conflict release and conflict repressed . We're also affected by other influences, and may think we're handling things in a mature fashion, when in truth we're being asshats. A personal example of all of this is the Vlogtag X crap I pulled, where I honestly thought I was being mature and reasonable, in my frustration, and ended up causing hurt and blargh.
(Continuing, Part IV) As there was no real build-up on the issue on my front, nobody could have really known how I would react to the issue, and I had no idea people would react to my reaction the way everybody did. My mood was affected by outside influences, and all of our reactions were a result of the differences we all have in upbringing/socializing/what-is-and-is-not-health-conflict.
(Continuing, Part ? I think I screwed up my numbering) I guess my ultimate point is that I agree with you that conflict is healthy...but I'm not sure I can agree with the statement that people, in general, handle conflict poorly...because there's not really a set way to handle it. It depends on the different people involved, and what they've come to believe is okay versus what crosses lines. You just have to go with what happens and hope for the best.
@AdamTheAlien I think we all have Diva moments without realizing that's what is going on. Ultimately though, I think we tend to hold grudges far too long as a society and we just don't TALK about things that affect us on a deeper level NEARLY enough.
We are far too guarded about our emotional life, and thus often do not choose to bring out in the open the things that bother us enough for others to even be aware that they bother us. Which can lead to some pretty shitty situations. (cont...)
@AdamTheAlien (part 2) I realize that not everyone is the same and there isn't a set way to handle things, but on a broad level we are all human and want to be happy, which should motivate us to treat others in a way that respects that core desire for happiness. Even if that means that we need to expose when someone hurts us, despite their own reservations about emotional guardedness.
I have the same problem with one of my closest friends she just got mader and mader and now we don't talk anymore cause she got so mad,,, but befor that day never really told me about it... Awsome viDeo and love the beard.
@chrissy1605 It's strange how that works, I sometimes wonder if people just look for excuses to get out of friendships so they build up these rather insignificant events into some monumental relationship killing thing.
It's so heartbreaking when things like that happen.
@wheezywaiter You're probably right. But remember that the Beard will never forget, it will remember all pain and negative influences up until the day it strikes out against you.
Honestly throughout school I always avoid conflict mainly to focus on school. But now I go out and pick a fight every chance I get,hmmm am I joking...I am. I do however confront those I might have an issue with because I rather deal with it then than later when it has had time to escalate.
I hate conflict and am definately a 'talk about it before it turns into conflict' kinda gal. I am very lucky to have a fiance who approaches our relationship in the same way! James and I rarely, if ever argue. Sometimes one of us has a bad day but we talk about it so it doesn't turn into conflict. In friendships it isn't so easy. I would rather let out my feelings by discussing it with another friend than causing conflict with the person I have a problem with. I am fine if I talk to *someone*.
@helenzebcharles I agree that talking about it prior to conflict levels is a good practice. Sometimes though I think a good mutual rant at each other can be healthier than not saying anything though.
I'm generally wary of talking with other friends about situations though, it can cause rather large rifts in social groups. Sometimes venting to someone when it's not really that big of a deal can be good. (cont...)
@helenzebcharles (part2) However I think that if there is a real need to hash things out with someone it is better to go directly to the person the conflict is with rather than to someone peripherally involved.
I've definitely noticed the difference between when I dealt with conflict and when I just let it go this summer being over in a foreign country for 2 months. When the 2 people I'm with are pretty much my only lifelines while I'm there it was very important to keep the relationships healthy and sometimes that meant small bits of confrontation. But b/c of it we were able to survive the summer together and even became better friends.
@livin4hymn yeah I came to this mentality when I lived with 7 other people in the same house for a year doing volunteer work. Sometimes we would just need to sit down as a house and talk it out as a community before things got explosive.
We failed to talk a few conflicts out and it really hurt the household for awhile.
Bobby, I'm very glad that you brought up this topic. I avoid conflict like it's the plague. My relationships have suffered from it dearly, and it's something I'm working on.
@zottepark sometimes we gotta stand up for ourselves. Sometimes we even gotta stand up for our friends when they are not strong enough to stand for themselves.
I really agree with that. I argue a lot with my girlfriend, and I think that's what makes us being so close to each other. I mean, we always knew we loved each other even if the other did something we didn't like, and after the conflicts, we always ended up in good compromises. You can't tell if you're very close to someone if you never disagreed with him, because you don't know if you could still stay friends. And sorry if this is unclear, english isn't my first language, and I'm not bilingual.
@SaintJeanBob Seems clear enough. Although I do worry when people argue TOO much. There could be other troubles there too. But yeah, compromise and working things out is never a bad thing.
Thanks - This video challenges me. I tend to be one that buries my feeling when something bothers me, especially if it's something small that I can just "get over", but it's probably not helping my relationships grow in the long term. Thanks for making me rethink that. Now to put it into action ...*quivers*
@JulieVlogs Conflict and letting people know they hurt you is never an easy conversation to have. but ultimately it's for the better I think.
I think it was Dr Seuss who wrote "Be Who You Are and Say What You Feel Because Those Who Mind Don't Matter and Those Who Matter Don't Mind." Good mantra to live by at times.
@themefund Would you say this principle applies differently in friendships vs. work relationships? In friendships, the goal is to grow the closeness of the relationship, so conflict can be good. In work relationships, I find it tempting to keep the peace (and keep my job) than stir up conflict. In a friendship, if the people who mind don't matter, you can re-evaluate the friendship, but at work, if the people that mind sign your check...well...that's different. What do you think?
I've been burned by having unqualified people be my superiors. I call them unqualified not because I am better than they are, but rather because being in a position of authority dictates that you know how to effectively deal with conflict amongst you subordinates, and yourself.
These people avoided conflict and it cost me my job. Had they brought up the grievances when they happened I would have been able to course correct (cont...)
@JulieVlogs (part 2) however, they avoided the conflict, and the very small things I did that weren't up to their standards went on for almost a year, culminating in an explosion of anger and resulting in a termination of service.
I think however, that in a work environment there needs to be a certain amount of discretion used when dealing with conflict. If something is really worth bringing up because it damages your ability to function, then yes, bring it up. (cont....)
@JulieVlogs (part 3) however I think there are PLENTY of times when we should simply let things HONESTLY and truthfully roll off our backs because ultimately they are not worth fighting over/for.
That likely applies to interpersonal, non-professional relationships as well though, we must TAKE offensive in order to BE offended, if that makes sense. Sometimes we are guilty of having too thin a shell and we let silly things affect us in extraordinary ways.
@themefund Thanks for your thoughtful response. I need to work on developing my internal filter to determine, in any given situation, whether I'm being too sensitive (and should let it roll off my back) or whether it's an important issue and I need to stand up to the person. It's not always easy to tell which kind of situation it is. Thanks for starting this conversation and making me think.
@lesliefoundhergrail I don't sense anything in the future, I've just had a lot of experiences like that where people will not say anything but when they do it far too late for me to do anything about it, whereas if they'd simply talked to me about it when it was going on there was hope for redemption.
This non-confrontational method of interaction is one of the reasons I wasn't allowed to stay in KY for a second year of Volunteering.
Some things were said to me which were VERY hurtful, nigh on racist, and so I just walked away from the conversation.
My actions by just leaving the conversation ended up severing the friendship, and the friendship I had with some other people who were friends with the people who offended me.
It sucks, but it's their decision, and I respect that.
Dude ur a budist ^^ i like you. :D
irshmothafucka 1 month ago in playlist Human Happiness & Achievements
My roommate did a great job of teaching me this
Teeftlis 2 months ago in playlist Human Achievements
You berry berry smat! Likin your vids!
WhatEverLolaWantsss 7 months ago
Droppin' knowledge.
ANDYGLOV3R 1 year ago
true words
richardland 1 year ago
wheezy waiter liked your video nuf said
superlammax 1 year ago
are you ammish?
delahouzzzze 1 year ago
Wow, this is a really great video! It might be your best, IMO :)
claptonfan1000000 1 year ago
so ugly.
cheesetoasterproduct 1 year ago
1:39, nice!
I agree. As long as your relationship is not with the mirror, there must be discussion. Is not about having it or not, is about doing it right, and doing it right, well, is its own science,and is worth learning it.
Raphaelus13 1 year ago
@Raphaelus13 I agree that doing it right is the goal, but you won't know how to do it right without constant practice and repetition. Discussion is like dancing, you won't know how your partner moves until you've danced with them enough times, but once you've found your combined rhythm it is a beautiful and exhilarating feeling.
themefund 1 year ago
Smell like a people! Yes I subscribed because of that video post about smelling like a human and not a flower thank you for saying so.
IvoryDoll 1 year ago
I'm very willing to accommodate and adjust to people as well...the only time that gets me into trouble is 1) when I do it based on what I *think* the other person needs or wants and 2) if I do it so much that I am somehow making a concession that hurts me in some way.
samarazon 1 year ago
@samarazon there is that tricky balance we need to find between what *WE* think the other person "needs to hear" and what will actually help the situation.
when you've figured it out, let me know.
themefund 1 year ago
@themefund Hah, exactly. I've found myself in situations recently where it seemed very clear to me that saying *anything* would only make it worse. It's a new and distinctly unpleasant experience.
samarazon 1 year ago
OMG WORD. Yes, please, people getting along with each other is messy sometimes.
I can see how people might want to avoid unnecessary drama, but open-hearted conversation is much different than that.
Now, I hold open-hearted conversation as a totally achievable ideal, but I think I need more practice...I have gotten out of the custom of that over the last few years.
samarazon 1 year ago
dude wtf happened to your forehead?
didn't listen to the video but i need to know man what happened to your head.
jokerman583 1 year ago
@jokerman583 it would certainly make it easier to answer your question had you actually paid any attention to the content of the video.
themefund 1 year ago 2
@themefund well it would be easier for me to pay any attention to the video if you told what happened to your head and wasn't so grosed out by it.
jokerman583 1 year ago
dude you have hall in your head
betkiss 1 year ago
uhh, hole in forehead?? whaa?
rizzo92insanity 1 year ago
When I was 9, my parents separated. It was quite a shock to me, because I was just a child who was oblivious to the inner workings of my parents' relationship & therefore didn't see it coming. My parents had been married 19 years, and I hadn't noticed any signs of unhappiness (although I see more in retrospect.)
When I was 12, I spent a week with my dad and a married couple who was visiting him. They openly disagreed about some things, had spirited discussions, and yes, sometimes even arguments.
splicegrrl 1 year ago
I remember so vividly telling my dad "THOSE people are going to get divorced." (What a wise 12-year old I thought I was.) And my dad explained how healthy it is to disagree, to voice one's opinions, to be able to talk about things that are bothering you. I have carried that lesson with me. Unnecessary drama in relationships & friendships is common and easily spotted, I think. True and honest exchange of ideas, even ones in conflict, is essential.
splicegrrl 1 year ago
I can't stand people who keep mental lists of the offenses against them and share those only when a straw breaks the camel's back. True intimacy is created when we can share the good and the bad of how we feel about the other person in the relationship/friendship and our feelings (good and bad) about how they're treating us.
splicegrrl 1 year ago
@splicegrrl I am actually going through a very similar situation to this right now, but from the parent's perspective...I'm glad that your Dad's words stuck with you, I'm in agreement with him on that count. BIG fan of clearing the air. (FWIW, thank you for sharing this)
samarazon 1 year ago
there's a hole in his head? wtf?
rumps08 1 year ago
so true. i am completely in agreeance with this. Whenever something happens that bothers me i always really need to just have everything out with that person for me to move on. It is just something that i feel helps one's friendship with that individual. I feel like we have had this conversation.. but im not sure. we talk about a lot of different things.
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SciFiGirl1023 1 year ago
@SciFiGirl1023 we've talked about this before I'm sure.
themefund 1 year ago
There's a weird balance between avoiding conflict and bringing up every little thing that's very hard to find. I've waffled between both ends of the spectrum, in varying degrees, and I don't think I've ever found that perfect medium that just works. And in all likelihood, there IS no perfect middle that works for everyone 100% of the time. (continued in next post as I'm going to run out of characters...)
AdamTheAlien 1 year ago
(Continuing...) Conflict IS healthy, but I think that we all manage it poorly because, well...we're not psychic. Everyone responds to various social stimuli differently, so we blunder about because we don't know and are afraid of how people will respond. Someone very insecure about a decision or something they said might become very depressed or angry when someone - even politely - informs them they're being offensive. (Continued...)
AdamTheAlien 1 year ago
(Continuing, Pt II) And that's just one example. Everyone has triggers, on both sides of the issues of conflict release and conflict repressed . We're also affected by other influences, and may think we're handling things in a mature fashion, when in truth we're being asshats. A personal example of all of this is the Vlogtag X crap I pulled, where I honestly thought I was being mature and reasonable, in my frustration, and ended up causing hurt and blargh.
AdamTheAlien 1 year ago
(Continuing, Part IV) As there was no real build-up on the issue on my front, nobody could have really known how I would react to the issue, and I had no idea people would react to my reaction the way everybody did. My mood was affected by outside influences, and all of our reactions were a result of the differences we all have in upbringing/socializing/what-is-and-is-not-health-conflict.
AdamTheAlien 1 year ago
(Continuing, Part ? I think I screwed up my numbering) I guess my ultimate point is that I agree with you that conflict is healthy...but I'm not sure I can agree with the statement that people, in general, handle conflict poorly...because there's not really a set way to handle it. It depends on the different people involved, and what they've come to believe is okay versus what crosses lines. You just have to go with what happens and hope for the best.
AdamTheAlien 1 year ago
@AdamTheAlien I think we all have Diva moments without realizing that's what is going on. Ultimately though, I think we tend to hold grudges far too long as a society and we just don't TALK about things that affect us on a deeper level NEARLY enough.
We are far too guarded about our emotional life, and thus often do not choose to bring out in the open the things that bother us enough for others to even be aware that they bother us. Which can lead to some pretty shitty situations. (cont...)
themefund 1 year ago
@AdamTheAlien (part 2) I realize that not everyone is the same and there isn't a set way to handle things, but on a broad level we are all human and want to be happy, which should motivate us to treat others in a way that respects that core desire for happiness. Even if that means that we need to expose when someone hurts us, despite their own reservations about emotional guardedness.
themefund 1 year ago
Good point.
Future2daBright 1 year ago
whats on your forehead?
kimbo119slice 1 year ago
@kimbo119slice i think he had an implant/body modification
jacksonmaddoxnetwork 1 year ago
I have the same problem with one of my closest friends she just got mader and mader and now we don't talk anymore cause she got so mad,,, but befor that day never really told me about it... Awsome viDeo and love the beard.
chrissy1605 1 year ago
@chrissy1605 It's strange how that works, I sometimes wonder if people just look for excuses to get out of friendships so they build up these rather insignificant events into some monumental relationship killing thing.
It's so heartbreaking when things like that happen.
themefund 1 year ago
...what happened to your forehead
sportsman214 1 year ago 6
There are things about this video that have affected me negatively on a very deep level, but I think I'll just ignore it and it'll go away.
wheezywaiter 1 year ago 26
@wheezywaiter nice one wheezy :D
pocketmoney123 1 year ago
@wheezywaiter lol bro
mag00da 1 year ago
@wheezywaiter
Yea it'll go away, just wait
ThinkerMister11 1 year ago
@wheezywaiter You're probably right. But remember that the Beard will never forget, it will remember all pain and negative influences up until the day it strikes out against you.
Beware the Beard.
themefund 1 year ago
Honestly throughout school I always avoid conflict mainly to focus on school. But now I go out and pick a fight every chance I get,hmmm am I joking...I am. I do however confront those I might have an issue with because I rather deal with it then than later when it has had time to escalate.
Myfkduplilworld 1 year ago
I hate conflict and am definately a 'talk about it before it turns into conflict' kinda gal. I am very lucky to have a fiance who approaches our relationship in the same way! James and I rarely, if ever argue. Sometimes one of us has a bad day but we talk about it so it doesn't turn into conflict. In friendships it isn't so easy. I would rather let out my feelings by discussing it with another friend than causing conflict with the person I have a problem with. I am fine if I talk to *someone*.
helenzebcharles 1 year ago
@helenzebcharles I agree that talking about it prior to conflict levels is a good practice. Sometimes though I think a good mutual rant at each other can be healthier than not saying anything though.
I'm generally wary of talking with other friends about situations though, it can cause rather large rifts in social groups. Sometimes venting to someone when it's not really that big of a deal can be good. (cont...)
themefund 1 year ago
@helenzebcharles (part2) However I think that if there is a real need to hash things out with someone it is better to go directly to the person the conflict is with rather than to someone peripherally involved.
Venting is good though.
themefund 1 year ago
I've definitely noticed the difference between when I dealt with conflict and when I just let it go this summer being over in a foreign country for 2 months. When the 2 people I'm with are pretty much my only lifelines while I'm there it was very important to keep the relationships healthy and sometimes that meant small bits of confrontation. But b/c of it we were able to survive the summer together and even became better friends.
livin4hymn 1 year ago
@livin4hymn yeah I came to this mentality when I lived with 7 other people in the same house for a year doing volunteer work. Sometimes we would just need to sit down as a house and talk it out as a community before things got explosive.
We failed to talk a few conflicts out and it really hurt the household for awhile.
themefund 1 year ago
Ignoring things usually doesn't work ... *sigh*
- Jason
crimsong19 1 year ago
@crimsong19 I'd say it almost NEVER works.
Forgive and forget if it is a genuine forgiveness tends to work, but simply ignoring a problem in hopes that it goes away is never healthy.
themefund 1 year ago
Bobby, I'm very glad that you brought up this topic. I avoid conflict like it's the plague. My relationships have suffered from it dearly, and it's something I'm working on.
zottepark 1 year ago
@zottepark sometimes we gotta stand up for ourselves. Sometimes we even gotta stand up for our friends when they are not strong enough to stand for themselves.
themefund 1 year ago
I really agree with that. I argue a lot with my girlfriend, and I think that's what makes us being so close to each other. I mean, we always knew we loved each other even if the other did something we didn't like, and after the conflicts, we always ended up in good compromises. You can't tell if you're very close to someone if you never disagreed with him, because you don't know if you could still stay friends. And sorry if this is unclear, english isn't my first language, and I'm not bilingual.
SaintJeanBob 1 year ago
@SaintJeanBob Seems clear enough. Although I do worry when people argue TOO much. There could be other troubles there too. But yeah, compromise and working things out is never a bad thing.
themefund 1 year ago
Thanks - This video challenges me. I tend to be one that buries my feeling when something bothers me, especially if it's something small that I can just "get over", but it's probably not helping my relationships grow in the long term. Thanks for making me rethink that. Now to put it into action ...*quivers*
JulieVlogs 1 year ago
@JulieVlogs Conflict and letting people know they hurt you is never an easy conversation to have. but ultimately it's for the better I think.
I think it was Dr Seuss who wrote "Be Who You Are and Say What You Feel Because Those Who Mind Don't Matter and Those Who Matter Don't Mind." Good mantra to live by at times.
themefund 1 year ago
@themefund Would you say this principle applies differently in friendships vs. work relationships? In friendships, the goal is to grow the closeness of the relationship, so conflict can be good. In work relationships, I find it tempting to keep the peace (and keep my job) than stir up conflict. In a friendship, if the people who mind don't matter, you can re-evaluate the friendship, but at work, if the people that mind sign your check...well...that's different. What do you think?
JulieVlogs 1 year ago
@JulieVlogs I think that is an interesting topic.
I've been burned by having unqualified people be my superiors. I call them unqualified not because I am better than they are, but rather because being in a position of authority dictates that you know how to effectively deal with conflict amongst you subordinates, and yourself.
These people avoided conflict and it cost me my job. Had they brought up the grievances when they happened I would have been able to course correct (cont...)
themefund 1 year ago
@JulieVlogs (part 2) however, they avoided the conflict, and the very small things I did that weren't up to their standards went on for almost a year, culminating in an explosion of anger and resulting in a termination of service.
I think however, that in a work environment there needs to be a certain amount of discretion used when dealing with conflict. If something is really worth bringing up because it damages your ability to function, then yes, bring it up. (cont....)
themefund 1 year ago
@JulieVlogs (part 3) however I think there are PLENTY of times when we should simply let things HONESTLY and truthfully roll off our backs because ultimately they are not worth fighting over/for.
That likely applies to interpersonal, non-professional relationships as well though, we must TAKE offensive in order to BE offended, if that makes sense. Sometimes we are guilty of having too thin a shell and we let silly things affect us in extraordinary ways.
Use discretion is all.
themefund 1 year ago
@themefund Thanks for your thoughtful response. I need to work on developing my internal filter to determine, in any given situation, whether I'm being too sensitive (and should let it roll off my back) or whether it's an important issue and I need to stand up to the person. It's not always easy to tell which kind of situation it is. Thanks for starting this conversation and making me think.
JulieVlogs 1 year ago
@JulieVlogs We could all use a bit of work on that inner filter methinks ;)
Thanks for having the conversation with me. <3
themefund 1 year ago
Are you sensing something is happening? Not to sound paranoid, but the end of your video seemed a bit passive aggressive.
lesliefoundhergrail 1 year ago
@lesliefoundhergrail I don't sense anything in the future, I've just had a lot of experiences like that where people will not say anything but when they do it far too late for me to do anything about it, whereas if they'd simply talked to me about it when it was going on there was hope for redemption.
This non-confrontational method of interaction is one of the reasons I wasn't allowed to stay in KY for a second year of Volunteering.
themefund 1 year ago
Some things were said to me which were VERY hurtful, nigh on racist, and so I just walked away from the conversation.
My actions by just leaving the conversation ended up severing the friendship, and the friendship I had with some other people who were friends with the people who offended me.
It sucks, but it's their decision, and I respect that.
TheGearsKeepTurning 1 year ago
Yay conflicts.
BlueACFC 1 year ago