A bottle of wine every night? Excuse me, most French and Italians would consider that drink with dinner. Now, a bottle of spirits every 24 hours might give one pause. But a few glasses of wine or beer? Come on. This stuff is good for you. Civilization was built upon such moderate intoxicants.
purely on principal that I finished it at all, but as they say in Vegas, I was "pot-committed". This was the first and last book by this man that I will ever read, top 100 book lists be damned.
Of course Joyce was a fatuous drunk. This is well documented and may even rival other alcoholic literary giants such as London and Hemingway, the former being the worse case senario. Finished ULYSSES recently and thought it was horrible. Maybe I just don't appreciate Joyce' "stream of consciousness" style of writing, but this book was even harder to read than Milton's PARADISE LOST (never thought I'd say that). Reading ULYSSES was a true war of attrition, and Joyce won. It was (contin.)
Joyce was a notorious drinker. Even a surface biographical reading will reveal that, so how are accusations of drinking unsubstantiated or even heretical? This detail should matter to a student studying Joyce, and not just his works.
I am a student of Joyce, and this smacks of unsubstaniated heresay, also why would it matter? His works stand as testimony to his art not the seedy aspects of his life!!!
I am a student of Joyce, and this smacks of unsubstaniated heresay, also why would it matter? His works stand as testimoney to his art not the seedy aspects of his life!!!
@stantonpeele well spotted stanton...did you know Joyce was responsible for the birth of the word 'monomyth'? It ended up the focus of Joseph Campbell's study The Hero with a Thousand Faces :)
That’s a pretty damning character assassination of Joyce. Describing him as a "fall down drunk"? Who does this guy think he is to say that about some one he's never met? Also, I find it very difficult to believe he would be "fall down drunk" after 1 bottle of wine?
Not to mention I don’t see any criticism of Hemmingway’s or Dylan Thomas's drinking habits?
This is unbelievably anecdotal and dangerously extrapolative to call an example from 3rd hand sources, repeated 4th hand based on iconic imagery of a man who is now dead and likely died from complications of alcohol abuse (he was a legendary drinker) He had a wife leave him over drinking and he was caught fighting in public while drunk on a number of occasions. Iconically this would be written off as a typical Irishman of the time but would be considered a hot flag for a drinking issue today.
You call me anecdotal and then say - he "likely died from complications of alcohol abuse (he was a legendary drinker)"?
The objective data we have about Joyce is that, in 1998, the Modern Library ranked "Ulysses" No. 1, "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" No. 3, and "Finnegans Wake" No. 77 on its list of the 100 best English-language novels of the 20th century. No other author has three on the list. Are you saying he was an alcoholic?
Jesus - the hypocrisy lies in Peeles position within all this...to spell that out...if you are sponsored by the drinks industry then you will be sympathetic toward it won't you?...this guy hates AA...AA demands abstinence...clear now?
Because I read his book 17 years ago and the light bulb turned on,haven't had a drop since . He is so on the money with his book! Before reading his book I abused alcohol for 16 plus years, and AA wasnt working at all!!My real problem when I was drinking was I just needed to grow up in a big way,it didnt have anything to do with a disease--trust me!! Most people with a drinking problem can learn to undo the problem with out an expensive treatment center!!
Stanton Peele is a psychologist, not a scientist and not an alcoholic and frankly doesn't know anything about addiction. Just because he has Dr. in front of his name doesn't make him an expert. He has no medical background and no scientific background, and no experience with alcoholism personally, why is anyone even listening to him?
Yeah except "Finnegan's Wake" reads like it was written on magic mushrooms.
TheChap36 2 months ago
A bottle of wine every night? Excuse me, most French and Italians would consider that drink with dinner. Now, a bottle of spirits every 24 hours might give one pause. But a few glasses of wine or beer? Come on. This stuff is good for you. Civilization was built upon such moderate intoxicants.
sallieparker 2 months ago
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purely on principal that I finished it at all, but as they say in Vegas, I was "pot-committed". This was the first and last book by this man that I will ever read, top 100 book lists be damned.
Supertramp1966 3 months ago
Of course Joyce was a fatuous drunk. This is well documented and may even rival other alcoholic literary giants such as London and Hemingway, the former being the worse case senario. Finished ULYSSES recently and thought it was horrible. Maybe I just don't appreciate Joyce' "stream of consciousness" style of writing, but this book was even harder to read than Milton's PARADISE LOST (never thought I'd say that). Reading ULYSSES was a true war of attrition, and Joyce won. It was (contin.)
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Supertramp1966 3 months ago
what a square
floorbands 4 months ago
Joyce was a notorious drinker. Even a surface biographical reading will reveal that, so how are accusations of drinking unsubstantiated or even heretical? This detail should matter to a student studying Joyce, and not just his works.
Doug31415 7 months ago
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I am a student of Joyce, and this smacks of unsubstaniated heresay, also why would it matter? His works stand as testimony to his art not the seedy aspects of his life!!!
mrjimirish1 8 months ago
I am a student of Joyce, and this smacks of unsubstaniated heresay, also why would it matter? His works stand as testimoney to his art not the seedy aspects of his life!!!
mrjimirish1 8 months ago
@mrjimirish1 Well done -- creating a new word -- just like Joyce -- out of two homophones -- "heresy" and "hearsay"!
stantonpeele 8 months ago 7
@stantonpeele well spotted stanton...did you know Joyce was responsible for the birth of the word 'monomyth'? It ended up the focus of Joseph Campbell's study The Hero with a Thousand Faces :)
mrjimirish1 8 months ago
must have been a big ass bottle of wine........
mocus1 1 year ago
He had a bottle of wine at night. Get off his back. This dude sounds like my girlfriend.
tedlicious 1 year ago
That’s a pretty damning character assassination of Joyce. Describing him as a "fall down drunk"? Who does this guy think he is to say that about some one he's never met? Also, I find it very difficult to believe he would be "fall down drunk" after 1 bottle of wine?
Not to mention I don’t see any criticism of Hemmingway’s or Dylan Thomas's drinking habits?
HabloIrlandes 1 year ago
@HabloIrlandes It didn't seem like he was criticisng him to me. He mentioned how Joyce's drinking didn't hinder his ability to function or live.
KrfNYC2 1 year ago
@HabloIrlandes Excellent defence - thier really is no flaws with that argument whatsoever.
manconoo 1 year ago
Wha? - " He drank a bottle of wine and became falling-down-drunk " ? ..what a lightweight!!
Hellishcrusade 1 year ago
well then that's good news to hear .
suprenzza 1 year ago
The only drinking problem worth talking about, is my inability to find more alcohol. Maybe Stanton is still jung and easily freudened.
TheTTBT 1 year ago
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TheTTBT 1 year ago
This is unbelievably anecdotal and dangerously extrapolative to call an example from 3rd hand sources, repeated 4th hand based on iconic imagery of a man who is now dead and likely died from complications of alcohol abuse (he was a legendary drinker) He had a wife leave him over drinking and he was caught fighting in public while drunk on a number of occasions. Iconically this would be written off as a typical Irishman of the time but would be considered a hot flag for a drinking issue today.
stockybob 1 year ago
You call me anecdotal and then say - he "likely died from complications of alcohol abuse (he was a legendary drinker)"?
The objective data we have about Joyce is that, in 1998, the Modern Library ranked "Ulysses" No. 1, "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" No. 3, and "Finnegans Wake" No. 77 on its list of the 100 best English-language novels of the 20th century. No other author has three on the list. Are you saying he was an alcoholic?
stantonpeele 1 year ago
As ever entitled to an opinion, but absolutely no clue about addiction whatsoever!!
scribbins 2 years ago
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A really fine piece of mumbo-jumbo..."he really wasn't a competent drinker" - what's one of those?
Peele is sponsored by the Drinks Industry - fact - hypocrisy - you be the judge...
vacillateallday 3 years ago
Hypocrisy alone does not counter his entire position. If that were true we would all finally be true of religion.
What is your point?
JesusSucks1234 2 years ago 4
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Jesus - the hypocrisy lies in Peeles position within all this...to spell that out...if you are sponsored by the drinks industry then you will be sympathetic toward it won't you?...this guy hates AA...AA demands abstinence...clear now?
vacillateallday 2 years ago
I will tell you why I listen to him !
Because I read his book 17 years ago and the light bulb turned on,haven't had a drop since . He is so on the money with his book! Before reading his book I abused alcohol for 16 plus years, and AA wasnt working at all!!My real problem when I was drinking was I just needed to grow up in a big way,it didnt have anything to do with a disease--trust me!! Most people with a drinking problem can learn to undo the problem with out an expensive treatment center!!
baneberry7 3 years ago
Stanton Peele is a psychologist, not a scientist and not an alcoholic and frankly doesn't know anything about addiction. Just because he has Dr. in front of his name doesn't make him an expert. He has no medical background and no scientific background, and no experience with alcoholism personally, why is anyone even listening to him?
raytownloc 3 years ago
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that guys pissed as a fart
gelda3000 3 years ago
this guy is an idiot. please tell us where this research comes from.
Greg0629 3 years ago
and the point is.........????????
tumescent345 3 years ago