What about those who have to work and unable to perform the duties of a Muslim to the letter? Are they Kafirs according to him? Its easy for him to preach, he makes a living by doing this, always near a masjid so its convenient for him to maintain his pillars of faith. However its not nice to hear him tarnishing the reputation of others who may not be as religious as him. You see I disagree with everything he just said, in fact I dont like him. But I respect his opinion as a human being.
Well if you look at the global ethics of today. Leaving you wife in a desert is a sign of a bad husband. Taking a knife to sons throat is a sign of mental illness.
Don't give those examples.
Abraham may be right but all those for a different world and context.
I beg to differ. A hijab does´nt prevent men from finding a women attractive and look at them. Only "ugly" women with hijab keeps men from looking at them. Besides it´s a free world right, you can look at another person no?
Lostcase1234 thankyou finally someone who understands . If the previous generations followed the sharia. Of that era than surely they are Muslims and janati . People use the other side of this to try and prove prophet Muhammad saws parents were kafir nauzubillah.. but fact is they were followers of the true sharia that applied at that time. No religion will be accepted after Muhammad saws anounced prophethood.
@robertgift Ok so lets lay this down. If Islam was really man made then everything about it would favor men over women. So lets look at the score. In marriage men have to pay women a gift (instead of rings). The amount of this gift is dictated by the female. The money and property of women is all hers. It is not her responsibility to pay for her families expenses, though the money and property of a man belongs to everyone in the family and he has to pay. I could go on all day (cont)
@desiboyh (cont) but I would rather not belabor the point. The fact is that just as we wear a certain amount of clothes for modesty, in Islam the standard of modesty for both men and women is dictated by god.
@robertgift Obviously you havnt traveled the world or you would know that standards of modesty are different in different parts of the world. For example all you have to do is look at some small african tribes to find human "standards." So yes I do believe in god and I do believe that god ordered me to carry myself with dignity.
So did you not give your wife a ring when you got married? Is that not a gift? (cont)
@desiboyh (cont) Do you not give your wife gifts taking them as bribes cuz then I feel really sorry for her. Also are you cheating on her, because first you say ur married, then you say u have a gf? Wow ur one to talk about morals.
@robertgift rings are not a boast of wealth but a cultural practice here in the west. Married people are identified by the rings on their fingers. Im talking about acting like respectable human beings. God ordered that men respect the rights of women and vice e versa. To not go around naked like many people from different cultures do, but to guard our modesty. You call it oppression? How is wearing clothes oppression? Your logic doesnt make any sense.
And I am glad, I denounced Islam. People like him makes it more obvious how crazy it is to glorify the example of abraham as he was asked by allah to slaughter his own son *crazy*. god is some insecure being, if you don't follow you will be killed, ftw.
A popular sister on YouTube recently posted a video stating that she would not be wearing hijab anymore. She claimed that hijab was keeping her from getting closer to Allah (SWT)! How can one get closer to God by disobeying him. Obedience is how we show our love to Allah (SWT).
@KalosSkopeo "How can one get closer to God by disobeying him. Obedience is how we show our love to Allah"
Do you really believe that God wants you to cover? You are to defeat the body's excellent cooling system through head, ears, neck? You are to compress your hair, slightly obscure peripheral vision, affect hearing?
Is a man looking at a woman so horrible?
Why does Muslim man simply avert his gaze?
Only a MAN-made / MALE-serving myth would invent something so stupid which
What an indoctrinated, illiterate douchebag. In other words, no one should question anything about Islam. According to this idiot, Ijma, Qiyas and Ijtihad cannot be done. How can people believe that God says "you have to acknowledge me, submit to me and say I'm the best to get eternal happiness". Submission seems to be about the ego of God. I can't imagine God operating from ego and wanting us to submit unquestioningly when he/she gave us the capacity to think and reason for ourselves!
It is strange how the Christian world once had people like this preaching how much hate there was in the being they call god and that avoiding hated and damnation was the most important way to spend our life. It is no wonder that the Arab world stopped developing beyond the 7th century and now in the present time has no success to claim other than their success in spreading hate and death to the rest of humanity with only blind faith in their continuation of this evil
67thebestman It is strange how the Christian world once had people like this preaching how much hate there was in the being they call god and that avoiding hated and damnation was the most important way to spend our life. It is no wonder that the Arab world stopped developing beyond the 7th century and now in the present time has no success to claim other than their success in spreading hate and death to the rest of humanity with only blind faith in their continuation of this evil
67thebestman It is strange how the Christian world once had people like this preaching how much hate there was in the being they call god and that avoiding hated and damnation was the most important way to spend our life. It is no wonder that the Arab world stopped developing beyond the 7th century and now in the present time has no success to claim other than their success in spreading hate and death to the rest of humanity with only blind faith in their continuation of this evil
we all know and believe truly that allah is present and watching but this is the problem, there is a disconnect with non-hijab women and they do not see clearly as we do, perhaps not educated early in life enough, or perhaps having too easy lives they lose that fear we need to have for god. because fear is good, fear is necessary, not fear for any man or woman but fear for god. i am afraid i have no better idea, but the examples of god speaking to prophet.. i find does not relate to the issue..
i agree with everything, but i don't agree with using examples from prophets who did what allah directly spoke to them and told them to do, because if the voice of god comes to any non-hijab woman and tells her to do anything, she would definitely do it. anyone would do it because then its clear allah is present and watching and if we do not do this, we're screwed. so when you give such examples of allah coming and telling them to kill their families, its not relevant.
Thank you, I wish I heard this earlier in my life. I would have denounced Islam at a much earlier time in my life. It took me a long time to realize and admit to myself that I am no longer a Muslim. I hope that I someday have the courage to say so to my family.
Bachamazar yes all babies are born as muslims that is true but your applying the quranic ayat you quoted for believers pre islam....are you saying a follower of isa a.s who accepted the there is one god and isa a.s was a true messenger , is he going to hell ?
Are you suggesting true followers of musa a.s are going to hell? Astagfirullah...yes in todsys age after quran was revealed Islam will only be accepted...pre quran whoever followed the sharia of that time will go to heaven inshallah
@chishty786 The Prophet Muhammad said, "No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist." (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)
@bachamazar Are you saying that it is not parents who make one a Muslim? Chances are if both your parents are Muslim you will be Muslim, if both your parents are Jewish, chances are you will be Jewish.
@bachamazar .. which obviously is a lie, because if a baby grows up with no influence from other people it will not know anything about islam and it will not follow any of the islamic teachings. Man is man, labels such as jew or muslim is given by parents.
@chishty786 i think some brothers did not understand what you saying, truly those who fellow true message of ibrahim, moses, jesus and others prophets will enter jannah, because those prophets were preaching islam it's self and submitting to the lord of heveans and earths.
BTW heaven will not be only for Muslims or let's says the ummah of Mohammed saws but for all true believers from other nations also...ie true followers of Jesus , Moses , and other prophets ummahs .
@chishty786 Allah only accepts Islam. He says in the Quran: "Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it won't be accepted of him, and he will be one of the losers in the hereafter". I would rather lose anywhere, but not lose in the hereafter. This is because Hellfire is eternal. It never ends, and we never die when we go there, if we go there.
"Awf ibn Malik reported that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said, 'The Jews split into 71 sects: one will enter Paradise and 70 will enter Hell. The Christians split into 72 sects: 71 will enter Hell and one will enter Paradise. By Him in Whose hand is my soul, my Ummah will split into 73 sects: one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell.' Someone asked, 'O Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him), who will they be?' He replied, 'The main body of the Muslims.'
@bachamazar Very nicely put brother or sister thumbs up. oi chisty786 don't try to sugar-coat islam, islam is so clear cut on the rules, regulations and the belief. see when you try sugar coat and change a religion, you will get to the stage where the kuffars are at today with their corrupt book. so try not to sugar-coat islam for no one plz
@bachamazar I heard that if a person grows up all his life hearing bad things about islam, they can still go to heaven if they follow their own religions properly? Or christians who don't believe jesus is the son of god? is this true?
@chishty786 in one sense you're right. those who followed the correct teaching of other prohpets will inshallah go to heaven but these would be the people that were alive before the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) spread his Message and revealed the Quran
Also if complete hijab is the aim than you must live in a totally Islamic country ie Arabia...and even there is not compulsory to wear it , even in hajj it isn't so I don't know what this student is talking about .
I would advise all muslims brothers to be patient and be gentle to other faiths. Let them be and we'll see what is going to happen after we die. May Allah bless you all. Now let us -the believers- enjoy and learn from this video.
Wearing Hijab is not what you wear but meeting the needs of others & yourself in ways that give Grace & Dignity in every way even before the needs are known.
Wearing Hijab is not what you wear but how you live your life, care for yourself, your Family, Community, Nation & World; a Holistic approach is what is needed instead of a dress code!
Ma Salam
Anne Marie Elderkin
The Earth Personified is Risen & She is Calling you to Participate in the ongoing Currents of Positive Change
Wearing hijab is also not related to state of dress but to our character, how we treat ourselves, others & the world.
Wearing Hijab is not what wear but a matter of healthy boundaries, good communication & conflict resolution skills.
Wearing hijab is not what you wear but what you as a personal are willing or unwilling to do when faced with abuse, are you willing to get help from qualified proffessionals.
There is nothing that is obligatory in this world, everything is a matter of choice!
Of course some choices are more important than others but covering your head & your body though important in certain circumstances is not obligatory but more a matter of decorum.
What is more important than what we wear is how we treat ourselves & others on a daily basis
How we do buisness
How we care for the environment
How we solve conflict are more important than what we wear
Being nurotic about our states of dress & undress is just an excuse not to deal with the real funddamental issues in our lives like having healthy boundaries, good communications skills, skills in how to create healthy relationships with ourselves, others & the world are more important than what you wear or do not wear.
Also Sexual Health Education can be key in some cases to helping people understand themselves , their bodies & their emotions & hormones better & be better able to deal with changes that can occur in our sexual health & intimate lives throughout our life time.
Besides there are times & places when it is nice to experience nature at it's fullest like being once again in the Garden of Eden & having the ability to choose freely is more in keeping with the Locust of Control Model
Of course we all know the Locust of Control is not in the hands of the Kings or Queens, Prophets, Messiah etc but in the hands of our now 7 Billion & counting Population!
Force does not work
Nurturing & encouraging can & do work
We cannot force people to brush their teeth but we can encourage them
Forcing women to wear headscarfs is against Allah & our human rights
Giving us the freeedom to choose is more within our dignity
@StopSpamming1 God is All-Knowing & The Most Wise . If God orders women to wear hijab it is because it is beneficial for women . God has more knowledge than u do .
When u go outside your house , don't u lock the door for safety and protection ? Or do you just tel people to not to rob your house ?
THINK of it ! HIJAB is for protection of women! Hope u inderstand
I don't have faith. I read a book and it does not say anywhere: all women need to cover their bodies except for hands and face.
You say: God orders.... But for a god to do something, you first need to prove that this particular god exists - or an unproven being can't DO anything.
Or is that being logical?
And if you are right, why are women wearing burqas or niqabs raped?
@StopSpamming1 Please read the translation for Qur'an(24:31) . There God clearly states how the women should dress . Quran is the word of God . It is better if u read it rather than reading anyother book . it available free on Quranexplorer . com
Dear friend i think u are not aware of the latest survey done on rapes of women . The chances of getting raped are VERY MUCH LESS when the woman is fully covered .
Do I really need to repeat this? No, 24:31 does NOT say: all women need to cover their bodies except for hands and face.
All it says is for women to cover their boobs. Why does it say that? If you study the historical origins of the Koran you will find that worker girls around the Kaaba often did not bother to wear full dresses in the heat and left the boobs dangling for all to see. That was addressed here. It's a change in ethics, that's all.
@StopSpamming1 Quran (24:31) And tell the believing women to lower their gaze
and guard their private parts and not expose their ADAORMENT except that which [necessarily] appears thereofand to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment [i.e., beauty] except to their husbands, their
@StopSpamming1 That sentence said that DRAW YOUR VIEL OVER YOUR HEAD TO THE CHEST . That means women are not allowed to show hair and chest . IT also says not Reveal your Adornments & BEAUTY .... That means women have to cover all her body . This is how it has been understood at the time our beloved Prophet Mohammed ( Peace be on him ) .
If few people do not follow then they are disobeying the God . They will be punished in LIFE AFTER DEATH !
I accepted Islam a little over a year ago, Alhamdulillah, & started wearing hijab right away against the advise of my Muslim husband. I started studying Islam almost four years ago when I married him, without force or compulsion. I was a non-practicing Christian at the time. I studied Islam for three years because I wanted to get it right. Why follow any religion unless you're going to follow it 100%?
Why do these comment threads always turn into a bunch of ignorant people bashing Islam?
@happyidris2 I accepted Islam for my salvation because I learned that most of the doctrine of Christianity, as we know it today, was made up by the early Christian rulers to convert the Pagans to Christianity. Very little of Christianity today has anything to do with the teachings of Jesus, Prophet Isa (as). Very few Christians are aware of how much Muslims know about Jesus, Prophet Isa (as), & that what we know is the truth from God, Allah (swt), not made up by power-hungry men.
@lorrainethepain Friend, you have no idea what you are talking about. I'd be happy to answer all questions you might have about Christianiaty and its history. Most likely, you have fallen victim to propaganda. write me mail if you have questions.
@AegeanKing You assume I know nothing about Christianity. My friends don't make ignorant, arrogant assumptions about people. I was Christian for the first 45 years of my life, & Catholic for the first 20. At that point I thought I wanted to become a nun, until I started studying religious history. I know all about the books that were hidden because they tell the truth.
If I have no idea what I'm talking about then why are my comments the two top comments on this video?
@lorrainethepain hidden books? LOL! exactly my point. Having top comments does not make your comments accurate. That is fallacious reasoning. Lastly, you claim to be catholic but you obviously don't konw the first thing about early Christianity and you talk about ridiculous "hidden books". If you are a muslim than you beleive in the Isnad of the Sunnah and yet your reject the same Chain of Believers in Christianity with the 5 Patriarchates.
@AegeanKing If you don't know about the books that were taken out of The Bible because they tell the truth about Jesus, Prophet Isa (as), & because they contradict doctrine after the Council of Nicaea, then I feel really sorry for you. And you offered "to answer all questions you might have about Christianiaty (sic) and its history"? OMG!
I was Catholic for about the first 20 years of my life & considered myself a non-practicing Christian while studying Judaism & other religions.
@AegeanKing The saddest thing is that you apparently seem to know at least a little about Islam, yet you still refuse to acknowledge the truth. Muslims believe in the Prophets from The Torah & The Bible because they're in The Quran, as well. It's not the fault of Abraham, Prophet Ibrahim (as) or Jesus, Prophet Isa (as) that mankind corrupted their teachings. Muhammad (saw) was given The Message from Allah (swt) with the promise that The Quran & The Sunnah would never be corrupted.
@AegeanKing You're the victim of Christian propaganda. So was I for 45 years of my life. You're angry because you want to prove that Christianity is right & I'm happy because I know that Christianity, in its current form, is wrong. In their purest forms, Judaism, Christianity & Islam are very close, as we all worship The One True God. Mankind corrupted The Word of God, so He sent Muhammad (saw) to give people The Truth. I have no questions about religion, but you obviously do.
@lorrainethepain way to completely ignore what I said and go off on a complete tangent. We are talking about the message that Jesus is the Son of God and if that teaching can be found to go back to the Apostles. Without using the Bible, I can establish easily that it did using the same principle of Isnad. Lastly, the Quran describes the Trinity wrong and the Sonship of Christ wrong. Lets take this discussion to the mailbox and I will prove my point.
@AegeanKing Jesus, Prophet Isa (as), is coming back to set things straight. He's going to say, "When did I ever tell you to worship me?" "Trinity" isn't even mentioned in The Bible. It was made up to lure the Pagans. "Trinity" is in The Quran, though, several times, & how it is a lie against God, Allah (swt). I believe in One God, Allah (swt) & His messengers. I don't believe what was made up about Isa (as) after he left the Dunya. Prove your point in Hell. Discussion over.
@lorrainethepain The word "monotheism" isn't mentioned in the Bible either. That doesn't mean it doesn't teach it. Prove my point in hell? How charitable you are and what an example you are of the muslim community tell me I am going to hell. Are you God? Who gave you authority to assign my eternal destiny? Typical of a muslim to run from honest dialogue and condemn people to hell. Truly pathetic...
May I ask a serious question, Why does Islam call itself the religion of peace when it clearly is so violent? I mean you people cant be that stupid to see what is happening around the world in the name of this religion, hell many people leave Islamic countries because of this just to commit atrocious crimes in another country. What is mercy when you bury a person half in the ground and throw rocks at them until it is a bloody stump, or throw battery acid in the face of women who read?
@pandorachild your brainwashed dear pandorachild! i dont think 1.6 million muslims are crazy... there are non muslims who have accepted islam and many athiests as well..your missing out on something...do some soul searching and study islam..not the actions of a handful of "muslims" and with the help of the CIA and FBI propaganda.
@Serahxx20 When you give up on reasoning and logic and avoid all the evidence to suit your faith it does make you crazy, or what we call DELUSIONAL. 1.6 Ignorant uneducated peoples opinions do not make anything true. Everyone used to think the world was flat, did that have any affect on reality? NO. If you give up on reasoning and logic it becomes quite easy to believe anything you want, even terrorism. Because you believe with no evidence then they can believe in anything they want.
@pandorachild ooo pooo!!!! The quran already told us the earth wasnt flat!! boo yah!!!
and i couldnt be bothered wit hthe rest of ur banter! u obviously know were onto something thats why ur on these islamic videos bcoz u just wanna make urself feel as though your right... buzz off
@Serahxx20 yep delusional, get educated and break the stereotype and scientific gap between western and barbaric mid east. Or just pray all day while your brothers translate the quran in a way so they can rape murder and Lie.
@pandorachild lol @ barbaric! why dont u go and check your western history books and see the types of crimes yall commited against humanity! OHHHH THE BLASPHEMY!!!!!!! now get off islamic videos if u hate so much?? when i hate something i stay the hell away from it then what u doing here pandora child?? go on then lil one.... off you go... tut tut tut
masha'allah ver on point and very good only the laymen who has jahilyya ignorance no knowledge would not think this is a good dawa talk, may allah guide us all this speaker seems very good intellectual masha'allah
LOOK AT UR WORKPLACE IF U DONT WORK AND FOLLOW THE RULES U GUNA GET FIRED RIGHT SAME SENSE HERE NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND Y TRY MAKE IT COMPLICATED @ ALL DA COMMENTS PRETENDING TO NOT UNDERSTAND THE TOPIC AT HAND
@CanZu7 wow delusional Much? Not a single miracle of the quran has ever been proven and the entire book was poorly copied from the Jews.Only a complete idiot would take it seriously. Lets see, Meca Glows and you can see it from space right? Turns out Meca has alot of Marble stone... this is the type on miracles you believe in?
Watch my thumb..... oh it broken , now it fixed , now its broken, you get the point.
@CanZu7 like iron? Why is it Islam takes credit for stuff that was know for 3000 years before Mo' and no real science has come out of Islam since its golden age?
@fourbabies1 When u toss a coin it falls back on ground .The coin obeys GRAVITATIONAL Laws.
WHO MADE THESE LAWS ?????
It is God who made all these LAWS . So if humanbeings Submit to the will of God , then u wil be rewarded in life after death . Submitting to the Will of God is called as ISLAM .
@happyidris2 First you can assert that something was created all you want but you can not prove it. Second,You have failed to prove that god, your god or any god is the source of the creation you again just assert it as fact with no evidence or arguments. Submitting to the imaginary is delusional.
@pandorachild i have submitted to the one who has created this universe . Science tells us that the universe started with a BIG BANG / BIG EXPLOSION .Since Life cannot come into existence from from huge explosion of HOT NON-Living matter . I have understood that God created life . Bcos only living organisms can give birth to living organisms . have u ever seen any Non-living thing give birth to a living thing ??
@happyidris2 who created god then, you cant say no one bcus you just said only life can create life.Religion only makes sense if you don't actually think about it.
@pandorachild I am not telling that everything has a creator . I am saying that every Created thing has a Creator . Presence of a DESIGN indicates a DESIGNER . In this world i see symmetrical designs . In human beings we have Bi-lateral symmetry . So i know that there is a creator .
I have not directly seen God . God is The Creator of mass & energy & Laws of this Universe.
@happyidris2 this argument is well refuted as a logical fallacy. Indication of design does not mean proof of design, Basic understanding of anatomy clearly debunks any claims of design. You do NOT "know" anything, you only believe it because if you knew it you could demonstrate it which you cant.Why cant you people be honest?
@pandorachild Can u explain how how miracle of life started on this planet . Cant u see that there are Scientific Laws that are being strictly followed . Laws are formed when someone makes the LAW !! dont u get it . If nobody made the GRAVITATIONAL LAWS then how do they exist ! U are a fool . Cant u see .
You call other people names, but you yourself are to blame. Just like evolution, gravity is based on facts but will always remain a scientific theory.
What are "scientific laws"? It seems you have some serious knowledge deficits.
@StopSpamming1 ha ha ha You are not aware of the developments of science in 21st century . Do u know Professor Michio Kaku . Just type PARALLEL UNIVERSE in youtube and search for those lectures .
THESE ARE LAWS WHICH ONLY EXIST IN OUR UNIVERSE . According to science there are MANY UNIVERSES ! it is a MULTIVERSE ! NOT just 1 Universe .
These Laws were created after the BigBang according to Modern Science & Modern Physics.
@pandorachild God is immortal . Only God is immortal . The immortal God has created the mortal forms of life like plants , animals , fish , men , birds etc .
God has sent the Miraculous Quran for our guidance . If u have any doubts pls feel free to ask me brother . God said all human beings are children of Adam & Eve ( peace be on them ) . So we all human beings are of a single race .
@happyidris2 this is what is known as special pleading. you first say on life can create life then you say except for god, which is inconsistent.The quran was written by men claiming to be talking to a god but closer inspection proves Mo' was just coping what he was trying to read in the other books. The Miracles of the Quran prove Mo' was not telling the truth and a perfect example would be Iron, which was known 3000 years before and is documented. Islam is a lie and you are a fool.
@pandorachild The Miracle of Quran is its literary miracle . Nobody on this planet has been able to produce a literature of higher standard than the Quran . There are many scintific facts mentioned in Quran , which could not have know to the people of 7th century . Prophet Mohammed( peace be on him) was unlettered . He only taught to his companions what God had revealed tho him .
Sorry, but your points are ca. 1200 years too late. And wrong.
}"Nobody on this planet has been able to produce a literature of higher standard than the Quran"
Have you heard of TheJinnAndTonicShow? They had this topic last Saturday and showed how many people have satisfied this challenge and what is wrong with the challenge itself.
The following show will be about "scientific miracle" claims involving the Koran, because all claims made so far have been proven wrong.
@StopSpamming1 Why dont these people go Saudi Arabia and Challenge the ARAB-MUSLIM-SCHOLARS :-) ha ha ha .
It is very easy to speak what ever u like brother . You can never win that challenge if a good Arab Scholar defends the Quran . Many great Arab Scholars of CLASSICAL ARABIC also couldnt do it .
Please tel me those scientific stuff . I will answer to u brother . Quran cannot go against any established fact of Science . Just tel me brother ,lets discuss those scientific facts in Quran
Well, if you know exactly what your god meant when he said something, what's the point discussing it. It's not in the Koran, but if you know better, so be it.
I have discussed science and the Koran so many times, I am sick and tired of repeating it over and over with uneducated people.
You want scientific facts in the Koran, you prove it's there.
@StopSpamming1 Quran(21:30)Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?
These are the deductions from the Hubble's Law & Big Bang Theory . Scientist got this information in 20th century . Hubble's Law was stated in 1929 . But Quran was revealed in 7th century .
This is an proof that Quran is the word of God because men did not know this in 7th century !
@StopSpamming1 Quran(21:33) And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming
Did u know that till 16th century people believed that Earth was the centre of Universe [GEOCENTRIC THEORY] , then from 17th century to 19th century people believed tat Sun was the centre of Universe [HELIOCENTRIC THEORY] . today in the 21st century we know that even sun moves in the MILKY WAY GALAXY !
@StopSpamming1 Quran is the truth from God . If u believe tat it is false even after seeing the SIGNS of God in Quran, then it is your wish . you are responsible for your life .
@happyidris2 Lies Like i already said before, IRON was known to the Egyptians 3000 years before FROM METEORITES. If you are an honest person answer this, why do you have to lie to protect the faith?
@pandorachild That is a Clear Proof for the people of Understanding . No man could have know those scientific facts in 7th century . Only God could know because God is All-Knowing . It is to Allah that u have to return after you die . I am just a plain Warner . I dont want u to go to hell . So i am inviting u to Islam . It is your wish brother .
You can never deny that science was not so advanced in 7th century . Quran is the word of God
@pandorachild That is a Clear Proof for the people of Understanding . No man could have know those scientific facts in 7th century . Only God could know because God is All-Knowing . It is to Allah that u have to return after you die . I am just a plain Warner . I dont want u to go to hell . So i am inviting u to Islam . It is your wish brother .
You can never deny that science was not so advanced in 7th century to know about ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE !!. Quran is the word of God
@pandorachild Quran( 57:25) And We SENT DOWN iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people, .
The Quran seems to imply that the iron was something “sent down” and not from this earth, an idea not foreign to 20th century science. Not only the iron on earth, but also the iron in the entire Solar System, comes from outer space . Iron can only be produced in much larger stars than the Sun, where the temperature reaches a few hundred million degrees.
@pandorachild There are HUGE Iron deposits in India , USA and many parts of world . People never knew that these HUGE IRON DEPOSITS came from outer space till 20th century .
People in the 7th century did NOT know how the elements were formed in hot stars . only in 20th century we got to know about NUCLEAR FUSION !
@happyidris2 The Egyptians called iron 'the metal of heaven' or ba-en-pet, which indicates that the first specimen employed were of meteoric origin; the Babylonian name having the same meaning. It was no doubt on account of its rarity that iron was prized so highly by the early Egyptians, while its celestial source would have its fascination. If you wish to remain deluded dont argue with atheists in public, like youtube.
@pandorachild So u agree that iron came from heaven and iron was not formed on this earth . This is what is said in Quran . That means Quran doesn't contradict science :-) . Quran speaks the truth u see ! :-) :-)
@happyidris2 Divine knowledge is not the only way someone could have reasoned the origin of iron. While most of the iron did arrive in a cataclysmic event early in Earth's history with a massive body that settled into the core, iron continues to fall to Earth on a daily basis in the form of meteorites. I'm sure someone in the early middle east could have seen a meteorite crash on Earth and investigated it to see that it contains iron. That's hardly something to be amazed by.
@shadowsburnme Well talk about deviating from the topic with ad hominem attacks to my character. You couldn't even try to look like you were addressing one of my points? No, it's okay. I forgive you for sounding like child on the playground making "yo mama" jokes. But in defense of my mother's honor, she was married two years to my father before having me in 1987. Nice try though.
@DamienZshadow It was not ad hominem. The comment was related to your comment about fornicating.
I am glad you are a kaafir man, good riddance, dont need douche bags in the religion. Now I wait to be beside you on your death bed and see you in your eyes just when the last breath draws out of your throat.
@shadowsburnme Are you replying to the right person? The comment you replied to was about iron being delivered from meteorites. Also, it sounds like you're angry at me for some reason. I'm sorry, it was never my intention to offend anyone, I was simply offering up other explanations for @happyidris2. Rather than call me a douche bag or a bastard child, why not explain what part of what I said didn't jive with you and why. Maybe I could clear it up or learn better from you.
@DamienZshadow your comment about someone in 7th century Arabia having done research to find out that meteorites contained Iron was ludicrous and based on scrupulous delusional imaginations .
@shadowsburnme But nothing to do with fornication. Either way, now that we're back on topic, I should say that it doesn't require a lot of research at all. Meteors fall all the time on Earth, every so often it's big enough to catch someone's attention and leave behind a crater. Eventually, a weapon forger melting the rock would have discovered it was rich in iron. An IronAge hill fort in Danebury England was constructed in 2500 years ago to hold a ceremonial meteor in it's center.
@DamienZshadow your claim is based on speculation. I travel more often than ancient arabs could have, i have a far more curious outlook, yet I never came across a fallen meteorite. What are the chances that a meteor fell in laps of a curious arab who figured it out, and then got in touch with Muhammad and told him it has iron, after doing spectroscopic analysis? You sir are the master of perverted delusions.
@shadowsburnme Spectroscopic analysis? Dude, iron melts at a certain temperature, you don't need a spectrometer to determine if a rock has iron in it. How else did smelters in 1300 BC extract the iron from rock to make their iron weapons? Besides, we have proof that early Sumerian weapons many years before that had iron directly from meteors. How? Meteoric iron has a high nickle content (making it easier to work with than smelted iron that is taken from the Earth) found in IRAN.
@DamienZshadow Only pure iron melts at a certain temperature. Iron in meteorites is mixed with other metals, and as such "alloys" would not melt at ideal temperatures. I am not a metallurgist but even my science background tells me that
1- an arab would not be able to tell an iron in meterorite from pure iron just based on melting temps
2- Just because Sumerian weapons had high nickel content, it does not mean that iron for sure was from meteors.
@shadowsburnme Meteoric iron is primarily distinguished by it's 5-25% nickle content. Now any Arab or traveler prior to Muhammad's time, could have witnessed these rarely seen common events. Bedouins of Saudia Arabia spoke about a legendary place called Al-Hadida (place of iron) in what became known as the Wabar craters. Emperor Jahangir from India recorded a time when he saw a light fall from the sky and crash into the earth. He made a knife out of the iron he found there.
@DamienZshadow Emperor Jahangir comes 1000 years later from pre-Islamic Arabs, the time when Muslims had made astounding progress in astronomy and chemistry. The very fact you gave this example shows your intellectual dishonesty!
@shadowsburnme Whoa, take it easy. Sorry for not specifying enough, it doesn't matter when it necessarily happened. Those examples were referring to your statement about it being seemingly impossible for people to relate a meteor and its contents from coming from the stars when there was an eye witness account of someone doing just that and making the connection that the iron came from above the sky. I did not intend to fool you to think anything besides that.
@DamienZshadow BTW which bedouins were these? Just because they spoke of a place called Place of Iron, how does it mean they believed it was from Meteors?
@shadowsburnme Harry Philby, 1932 British explorer, found an area known as the Wabar craters thanks to the Beouins of southern Saudia Arabia. The craters appear to have been formed 400 years earlier so it is likely someone would have also seen and maybe followed the falling balls of fire from the sky and discovering the iron deposits across the area. Again, not pre-Islamic but still an example of someone being able to see something fall from the sky and where it lands.
@shadowsburnme Hell, even in recent times you could see footage meteors being caught on camera by random people and if they are large enough, even leaving behind a crater or tearing through some poor individual's home or car. Anyone could then try and use the stuff they find, thinking it must be divine, either by sharpening or attempting to smelt it. However difficult it may have been, eventually it would be recognized as having similar properties to the stuff they would call iron
@shadowsburnme Oh and how could I forget the obvious property of iron. It is magnetic! Now that's something that could have easily distinguished the contents of a meteor as being the iron everyone was used to using. And in case you were to say so, Thales of Miletus can be found in 600 BC speaking about lodestones and their magnetic properties of attraction to metals like iron. Sorry about the many posts, just want to make sure I am clear so there is no more misinterpretation.
@DamienZshadow Well, I wonder what connections "Thales of Miletus" had with pre-Islamic Bedouin Arabs or Mohammad. Perhaps, you might explain it better with your encyclopedic knowledge on the topic.
@shadowsburnme Knowledge travels on the backs of merchants. Arabia just so happened to be the center of trade between the east and west for the longest time. Magnets were common knowledge and not exactly rare at the time and any good smelter or blacksmith would have probably had one. Not encyclopedic, I just like history and science a lot. And like I mentioned, it wasn't easy for me to admit I did not believe. I had to do research and question myself many times. I'm still learning
@shadowsburnme It really doesn't take much. If the concept of gun powder could travel from China all the way to western Europe then I think a little hearsay knowledge and practice on iron and magnetism could make it through and around the Middle East if it didn't start there. The very act of metallurgy was spread that way. I'm sorry, it's just not that miraculous since it is quite possible to learn it other ways. I am open to hearing other points that convince you Islam is correct
@happyidris2 Not to mention, your claim about heaven and earth splitting doesn't hold much weight with other polytheistic creation stories. In most mythologies, the Heavens (Male) split from the Earth (Female) like Ouranus and Gaia (Greek), Anu and Ki (Mesopotamian), Ragni and Papa (Maori), Geb and Nut (Egyptian), and even the Chinese and Indians told about the giant Pangu or world egg that split into heaven and earth thousands of years before the Quran was written.
@happyidris2 In case you misunderstand, physics only applies the term "law" to theories that seem to have proven themselves time and time again. It is really an older term that isn't thrown around as much by professionals now a days. It by no means dictates that they are unchanging or set by design. That is an argument from ignorance. Just because we don't always know why something is the way it is, doesn't mean Allah did it. That is called the God of the gaps which grows smaller.
@pandorachild Did u know that ancient indians used to believe that BANANA came from heaven . thats why its scientific name is MUSA PARADISICA . People in many ancient civilizations believe such things
but u cannot say that ancient Indians knew that Banan tree came from heaven :-) ha ha. Please understand friend .Just because if someone called it 'metal of heaven" it doesn't mean they knew where it was formed and how it reached earth .
@pandorachild I never said life can create life. I said the only living things give birth to progeny . your mother did not create u .Your mother did not select the eye color of yours , she did not select the facial features of yours . So your mother is NOT your creator . Yet you are born and you exist . So who created you ???? It is the powerful & All-Knowing God that created u in your mother's womb .
@pandorachild That is a Clear Proof for the people of Understanding . No man could have know those scientific facts in 7th century . Only God could know because God is All-Knowing . It is to Allah that u have to return after you die . I am just a plain Warner . I dont want u to go to hell . So i am inviting u to Islam . It is your wish brother .
You can never deny that science was not so advanced in 7th century . Quran is the word of God
What about those who have to work and unable to perform the duties of a Muslim to the letter? Are they Kafirs according to him? Its easy for him to preach, he makes a living by doing this, always near a masjid so its convenient for him to maintain his pillars of faith. However its not nice to hear him tarnishing the reputation of others who may not be as religious as him. You see I disagree with everything he just said, in fact I dont like him. But I respect his opinion as a human being.
NaughtyBwoi 28 minutes ago
Well if you look at the global ethics of today. Leaving you wife in a desert is a sign of a bad husband. Taking a knife to sons throat is a sign of mental illness.
Don't give those examples.
Abraham may be right but all those for a different world and context.
javedmahmood 7 hours ago
This goat only speaks of myths and superstitions
Servum22 7 hours ago
You just want other women to wear a hijab because you yourself are so sexually frustrated and desperate, you disgusting hypocrite.
acmilanboi 7 hours ago
I beg to differ. A hijab does´nt prevent men from finding a women attractive and look at them. Only "ugly" women with hijab keeps men from looking at them. Besides it´s a free world right, you can look at another person no?
Salongsberusad 2 days ago
Lostcase1234 thankyou finally someone who understands . If the previous generations followed the sharia. Of that era than surely they are Muslims and janati . People use the other side of this to try and prove prophet Muhammad saws parents were kafir nauzubillah.. but fact is they were followers of the true sharia that applied at that time. No religion will be accepted after Muhammad saws anounced prophethood.
chishty786 3 days ago
@desiboyh My ex Muslim gilrfriend said that my "HIslam, the MAN-made / MALE-serving myth" was "perfect".
I am USA. Many around the world DO boast with expensive rings and big diamonds.
Believing myth is logical? Why impy such absurdity that wearing clothes could be thought oppression?
But what do you call wearing hijab, niqab or burqa? Please enthrall us with your acumen.
robertgift 4 days ago
Hijab is symbol of weak man's desire to control and oppress.
Why does Muslim man simply not contriol HIS gaze, rather than burden his women with hot coverings?
HIslam is MAN-made / MALE-serving myth.
So absurd that one of intelligence and discernment cannot believe it, even it they wanted to believe it.
But many males may like that HIslam allows them to cheat on their wives with up to three additional sex partners!
robertgift 4 days ago
@robertgift Ok so lets lay this down. If Islam was really man made then everything about it would favor men over women. So lets look at the score. In marriage men have to pay women a gift (instead of rings). The amount of this gift is dictated by the female. The money and property of women is all hers. It is not her responsibility to pay for her families expenses, though the money and property of a man belongs to everyone in the family and he has to pay. I could go on all day (cont)
desiboyh 4 days ago
@desiboyh (cont) but I would rather not belabor the point. The fact is that just as we wear a certain amount of clothes for modesty, in Islam the standard of modesty for both men and women is dictated by god.
desiboyh 4 days ago
@desiboyh Thank you.
Do you really believe the God "dictated the standard of modesty for both men and women".
God made us so stupid that we can't figure this out for ourselves?
The "pay a woman a gift" is laughably absurd. A bribe to marry him?
My wife and I share our money. There is no "My money".
Yes, with all the ludricrous controlling of HIslam, you could go on ALL day.
"Wasting one's life on minutia and ritual is a big sad part of HIslam.", my Muslim girlfriend said.
robertgift 4 days ago
@robertgift Obviously you havnt traveled the world or you would know that standards of modesty are different in different parts of the world. For example all you have to do is look at some small african tribes to find human "standards." So yes I do believe in god and I do believe that god ordered me to carry myself with dignity.
So did you not give your wife a ring when you got married? Is that not a gift? (cont)
desiboyh 4 days ago
@desiboyh (cont) Do you not give your wife gifts taking them as bribes cuz then I feel really sorry for her. Also are you cheating on her, because first you say ur married, then you say u have a gf? Wow ur one to talk about morals.
desiboyh 4 days ago
@desiboyh I had a brilliant ex Muslim girlfriend years BEFORE meeting my wonderful wife.
Actually, I have traveled the world. Met Chinese wife in China.
No rings. We do not boast and display our wealth.
God ordered you to carry yourself in dignity? What did God tell you?
robertgift 4 days ago
@robertgift rings are not a boast of wealth but a cultural practice here in the west. Married people are identified by the rings on their fingers. Im talking about acting like respectable human beings. God ordered that men respect the rights of women and vice e versa. To not go around naked like many people from different cultures do, but to guard our modesty. You call it oppression? How is wearing clothes oppression? Your logic doesnt make any sense.
desiboyh 4 days ago
@desiboyh Also you show your childish nature when you say things like "hislam." Grow up and learn to have a respectable conversation with people.
desiboyh 4 days ago
And I am glad, I denounced Islam. People like him makes it more obvious how crazy it is to glorify the example of abraham as he was asked by allah to slaughter his own son *crazy*. god is some insecure being, if you don't follow you will be killed, ftw.
maleehamengal 1 week ago
A popular sister on YouTube recently posted a video stating that she would not be wearing hijab anymore. She claimed that hijab was keeping her from getting closer to Allah (SWT)! How can one get closer to God by disobeying him. Obedience is how we show our love to Allah (SWT).
KalosSkopeo 1 week ago
@KalosSkopeo "How can one get closer to God by disobeying him. Obedience is how we show our love to Allah"
Do you really believe that God wants you to cover? You are to defeat the body's excellent cooling system through head, ears, neck? You are to compress your hair, slightly obscure peripheral vision, affect hearing?
Is a man looking at a woman so horrible?
Why does Muslim man simply avert his gaze?
Only a MAN-made / MALE-serving myth would invent something so stupid which
burdens woman.
robertgift 4 days ago
What an indoctrinated, illiterate douchebag. In other words, no one should question anything about Islam. According to this idiot, Ijma, Qiyas and Ijtihad cannot be done. How can people believe that God says "you have to acknowledge me, submit to me and say I'm the best to get eternal happiness". Submission seems to be about the ego of God. I can't imagine God operating from ego and wanting us to submit unquestioningly when he/she gave us the capacity to think and reason for ourselves!
JustHuman48 1 week ago
This has been flagged as spam show
It is strange how the Christian world once had people like this preaching how much hate there was in the being they call god and that avoiding hated and damnation was the most important way to spend our life. It is no wonder that the Arab world stopped developing beyond the 7th century and now in the present time has no success to claim other than their success in spreading hate and death to the rest of humanity with only blind faith in their continuation of this evil
67thebestman 1 week ago
This has been flagged as spam show
67thebestman It is strange how the Christian world once had people like this preaching how much hate there was in the being they call god and that avoiding hated and damnation was the most important way to spend our life. It is no wonder that the Arab world stopped developing beyond the 7th century and now in the present time has no success to claim other than their success in spreading hate and death to the rest of humanity with only blind faith in their continuation of this evil
67thebestman 1 week ago
67thebestman It is strange how the Christian world once had people like this preaching how much hate there was in the being they call god and that avoiding hated and damnation was the most important way to spend our life. It is no wonder that the Arab world stopped developing beyond the 7th century and now in the present time has no success to claim other than their success in spreading hate and death to the rest of humanity with only blind faith in their continuation of this evil
67thebestman 1 week ago
we all know and believe truly that allah is present and watching but this is the problem, there is a disconnect with non-hijab women and they do not see clearly as we do, perhaps not educated early in life enough, or perhaps having too easy lives they lose that fear we need to have for god. because fear is good, fear is necessary, not fear for any man or woman but fear for god. i am afraid i have no better idea, but the examples of god speaking to prophet.. i find does not relate to the issue..
funnykoreantv 1 week ago
i agree with everything, but i don't agree with using examples from prophets who did what allah directly spoke to them and told them to do, because if the voice of god comes to any non-hijab woman and tells her to do anything, she would definitely do it. anyone would do it because then its clear allah is present and watching and if we do not do this, we're screwed. so when you give such examples of allah coming and telling them to kill their families, its not relevant.
funnykoreantv 1 week ago
i have never read the koran but i agree with everything this guy says.
enuvune 1 week ago
@enuvune Is that sarcasm?
JustHuman48 1 week ago
Thank you, I wish I heard this earlier in my life. I would have denounced Islam at a much earlier time in my life. It took me a long time to realize and admit to myself that I am no longer a Muslim. I hope that I someday have the courage to say so to my family.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
This is blind faith and it is forbidden in Islam. We are encourage to ask questions and seek clarification for our actions.
ossielmais 2 weeks ago
submit to your non existant fascist deity? Never ever in a million years, Fuck off and die you medieval barbarian
greenjack1959l 2 weeks ago
Bachamazar yes all babies are born as muslims that is true but your applying the quranic ayat you quoted for believers pre islam....are you saying a follower of isa a.s who accepted the there is one god and isa a.s was a true messenger , is he going to hell ?
chishty786 2 weeks ago
Are you suggesting true followers of musa a.s are going to hell? Astagfirullah...yes in todsys age after quran was revealed Islam will only be accepted...pre quran whoever followed the sharia of that time will go to heaven inshallah
chishty786 2 weeks ago
Bachamazar according to us all were muslims....all prophets of allah swt were muslim but they had their own ummahs
chishty786 2 weeks ago
@chishty786 The Prophet Muhammad said, "No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist." (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)
bachamazar 2 weeks ago 2
@bachamazar Are you saying that it is not parents who make one a Muslim? Chances are if both your parents are Muslim you will be Muslim, if both your parents are Jewish, chances are you will be Jewish.
Legacy285 2 days ago
Comment removed
Northern85Star 15 hours ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@bachamazar .. which obviously is a lie, because if a baby grows up with no influence from other people it will not know anything about islam and it will not follow any of the islamic teachings. Man is man, labels such as jew or muslim is given by parents.
Northern85Star 15 hours ago
@chishty786 i think some brothers did not understand what you saying, truly those who fellow true message of ibrahim, moses, jesus and others prophets will enter jannah, because those prophets were preaching islam it's self and submitting to the lord of heveans and earths.
ahmrou82 3 days ago
BTW heaven will not be only for Muslims or let's says the ummah of Mohammed saws but for all true believers from other nations also...ie true followers of Jesus , Moses , and other prophets ummahs .
chishty786 2 weeks ago
@chishty786 Allah only accepts Islam. He says in the Quran: "Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it won't be accepted of him, and he will be one of the losers in the hereafter". I would rather lose anywhere, but not lose in the hereafter. This is because Hellfire is eternal. It never ends, and we never die when we go there, if we go there.
bachamazar 2 weeks ago
@bachamazar
"Awf ibn Malik reported that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said, 'The Jews split into 71 sects: one will enter Paradise and 70 will enter Hell. The Christians split into 72 sects: 71 will enter Hell and one will enter Paradise. By Him in Whose hand is my soul, my Ummah will split into 73 sects: one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell.' Someone asked, 'O Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him), who will they be?' He replied, 'The main body of the Muslims.'
capiche1992 1 week ago
@bachamazar You are a psycho
ezface1 1 week ago
@bachamazar Very nicely put brother or sister thumbs up. oi chisty786 don't try to sugar-coat islam, islam is so clear cut on the rules, regulations and the belief. see when you try sugar coat and change a religion, you will get to the stage where the kuffars are at today with their corrupt book. so try not to sugar-coat islam for no one plz
kiddkidd1989 3 days ago
@bachamazar I heard that if a person grows up all his life hearing bad things about islam, they can still go to heaven if they follow their own religions properly? Or christians who don't believe jesus is the son of god? is this true?
1POKERED 2 days ago
@1POKERED Watch this.. ?v=HbSUkq5ePew
bachamazar 1 day ago
@chishty786 in one sense you're right. those who followed the correct teaching of other prohpets will inshallah go to heaven but these would be the people that were alive before the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) spread his Message and revealed the Quran
lostcase1234 3 days ago
@chishty786 true
peacebewithyou6789 13 hours ago
Also if complete hijab is the aim than you must live in a totally Islamic country ie Arabia...and even there is not compulsory to wear it , even in hajj it isn't so I don't know what this student is talking about .
chishty786 2 weeks ago
You cant compare anbiya with us normal people .
chishty786 2 weeks ago
The quran never said women must wear hijab.
Jahmal4 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I fucked two hijabis and fingered one! I took the first twos vriginity too.
Jahmal4 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
What group of people would molest or bother women for NOT wearing the hijab?
What is the REASON for wearing the hijab?
sirjambo 2 weeks ago
Comment removed
sirjambo 2 weeks ago
I would advise all muslims brothers to be patient and be gentle to other faiths. Let them be and we'll see what is going to happen after we die. May Allah bless you all. Now let us -the believers- enjoy and learn from this video.
abuzubair000 2 weeks ago
practical puproses including being stoned to death?
JuicYouS 3 weeks ago
MASHALLAH:)
famous1779 3 weeks ago
Wearing Hijab is not what you wear but meeting the needs of others & yourself in ways that give Grace & Dignity in every way even before the needs are known.
Wearing Hijab is not what you wear but how you live your life, care for yourself, your Family, Community, Nation & World; a Holistic approach is what is needed instead of a dress code!
Ma Salam
Anne Marie Elderkin
The Earth Personified is Risen & She is Calling you to Participate in the ongoing Currents of Positive Change
amlh2000 3 weeks ago
Wearing hijab is not what you wear but your willingness & interest in ensuring Community Support Services here & the World!
amlh2000 3 weeks ago
Wearing Hijab is man made as with Allah the best of hijabs is being modest and lowering your gaze occassionally.
Dignity & Respect is something we should have regardless of our state of dress or undress.
Just as many women and children are emotionally, physically & sexually abused in every culture irespective of what they wear or do not wear.
The Hijab we need is a spiritual hijab ie learning how to create & maintain healthy relationships with ourselves & others.
amlh2000 3 weeks ago
@amlh2000
Wearing hijab is also not related to state of dress but to our character, how we treat ourselves, others & the world.
Wearing Hijab is not what wear but a matter of healthy boundaries, good communication & conflict resolution skills.
Wearing hijab is not what you wear but what you as a personal are willing or unwilling to do when faced with abuse, are you willing to get help from qualified proffessionals.
amlh2000 3 weeks ago
@amlh2000 stop pouring sugar all over it and making yourself sound so holy!!! hijab is obligatory it aint a choice
Serahxx20 3 weeks ago
@Serahxx20
There is nothing that is obligatory in this world, everything is a matter of choice!
Of course some choices are more important than others but covering your head & your body though important in certain circumstances is not obligatory but more a matter of decorum.
What is more important than what we wear is how we treat ourselves & others on a daily basis
How we do buisness
How we care for the environment
How we solve conflict are more important than what we wear
amlh2000 3 weeks ago
@Serahxx20
Being nurotic about our states of dress & undress is just an excuse not to deal with the real funddamental issues in our lives like having healthy boundaries, good communications skills, skills in how to create healthy relationships with ourselves, others & the world are more important than what you wear or do not wear.
amlh2000 3 weeks ago
@Serahxx20
Also Sexual Health Education can be key in some cases to helping people understand themselves , their bodies & their emotions & hormones better & be better able to deal with changes that can occur in our sexual health & intimate lives throughout our life time.
Besides there are times & places when it is nice to experience nature at it's fullest like being once again in the Garden of Eden & having the ability to choose freely is more in keeping with the Locust of Control Model
amlh2000 3 weeks ago
@Serahxx20
Of course we all know the Locust of Control is not in the hands of the Kings or Queens, Prophets, Messiah etc but in the hands of our now 7 Billion & counting Population!
Force does not work
Nurturing & encouraging can & do work
We cannot force people to brush their teeth but we can encourage them
Forcing women to wear headscarfs is against Allah & our human rights
Giving us the freeedom to choose is more within our dignity
amlh2000 3 weeks ago
this guy is an advert for leaving islam
Ikhwanalsafa 3 weeks ago
Instead of telling men to not rape or accost women, Muslim men have decided to hide women from sight. Weird.
StopSpamming1 3 weeks ago
@StopSpamming1 God is All-Knowing & The Most Wise . If God orders women to wear hijab it is because it is beneficial for women . God has more knowledge than u do .
When u go outside your house , don't u lock the door for safety and protection ? Or do you just tel people to not to rob your house ?
THINK of it ! HIJAB is for protection of women! Hope u inderstand
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2
No, I don't understand.
I don't have faith. I read a book and it does not say anywhere: all women need to cover their bodies except for hands and face.
You say: God orders.... But for a god to do something, you first need to prove that this particular god exists - or an unproven being can't DO anything.
Or is that being logical?
And if you are right, why are women wearing burqas or niqabs raped?
StopSpamming1 3 weeks ago
@StopSpamming1 Please read the translation for Qur'an(24:31) . There God clearly states how the women should dress . Quran is the word of God . It is better if u read it rather than reading anyother book . it available free on Quranexplorer . com
Dear friend i think u are not aware of the latest survey done on rapes of women . The chances of getting raped are VERY MUCH LESS when the woman is fully covered .
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
Comment removed
TheJinnAndTonicShow 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2
Do I really need to repeat this? No, 24:31 does NOT say: all women need to cover their bodies except for hands and face.
All it says is for women to cover their boobs. Why does it say that? If you study the historical origins of the Koran you will find that worker girls around the Kaaba often did not bother to wear full dresses in the heat and left the boobs dangling for all to see. That was addressed here. It's a change in ethics, that's all.
StopSpamming1 3 weeks ago
@StopSpamming1 Quran (24:31) And tell the believing women to lower their gaze
and guard their private parts and not expose their ADAORMENT except that which [necessarily] appears thereofand to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment [i.e., beauty] except to their husbands, their
fathers, their husbands' fathers..
Hope u understand what Allah has said in Quran .
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2
That is what I explained. So after I explain a sentence you copy/paste that sentence here. To what ends?
StopSpamming1 3 weeks ago
@StopSpamming1 That sentence said that DRAW YOUR VIEL OVER YOUR HEAD TO THE CHEST . That means women are not allowed to show hair and chest . IT also says not Reveal your Adornments & BEAUTY .... That means women have to cover all her body . This is how it has been understood at the time our beloved Prophet Mohammed ( Peace be on him ) .
If few people do not follow then they are disobeying the God . They will be punished in LIFE AFTER DEATH !
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
I accepted Islam a little over a year ago, Alhamdulillah, & started wearing hijab right away against the advise of my Muslim husband. I started studying Islam almost four years ago when I married him, without force or compulsion. I was a non-practicing Christian at the time. I studied Islam for three years because I wanted to get it right. Why follow any religion unless you're going to follow it 100%?
Why do these comment threads always turn into a bunch of ignorant people bashing Islam?
lorrainethepain 4 weeks ago 25
@lorrainethepain May Allah reward u with Jannat -ul - Firdous . Welcome to Islam sister . May i ask u why did u convert to islam ?
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2 I accepted Islam for my salvation because I learned that most of the doctrine of Christianity, as we know it today, was made up by the early Christian rulers to convert the Pagans to Christianity. Very little of Christianity today has anything to do with the teachings of Jesus, Prophet Isa (as). Very few Christians are aware of how much Muslims know about Jesus, Prophet Isa (as), & that what we know is the truth from God, Allah (swt), not made up by power-hungry men.
lorrainethepain 3 weeks ago 17
@lorrainethepain Friend, you have no idea what you are talking about. I'd be happy to answer all questions you might have about Christianiaty and its history. Most likely, you have fallen victim to propaganda. write me mail if you have questions.
AegeanKing 3 weeks ago
@AegeanKing You assume I know nothing about Christianity. My friends don't make ignorant, arrogant assumptions about people. I was Christian for the first 45 years of my life, & Catholic for the first 20. At that point I thought I wanted to become a nun, until I started studying religious history. I know all about the books that were hidden because they tell the truth.
If I have no idea what I'm talking about then why are my comments the two top comments on this video?
lorrainethepain 3 weeks ago
@lorrainethepain hidden books? LOL! exactly my point. Having top comments does not make your comments accurate. That is fallacious reasoning. Lastly, you claim to be catholic but you obviously don't konw the first thing about early Christianity and you talk about ridiculous "hidden books". If you are a muslim than you beleive in the Isnad of the Sunnah and yet your reject the same Chain of Believers in Christianity with the 5 Patriarchates.
AegeanKing 3 weeks ago
@AegeanKing If you don't know about the books that were taken out of The Bible because they tell the truth about Jesus, Prophet Isa (as), & because they contradict doctrine after the Council of Nicaea, then I feel really sorry for you. And you offered "to answer all questions you might have about Christianiaty (sic) and its history"? OMG!
I was Catholic for about the first 20 years of my life & considered myself a non-practicing Christian while studying Judaism & other religions.
lorrainethepain 3 weeks ago
@AegeanKing The saddest thing is that you apparently seem to know at least a little about Islam, yet you still refuse to acknowledge the truth. Muslims believe in the Prophets from The Torah & The Bible because they're in The Quran, as well. It's not the fault of Abraham, Prophet Ibrahim (as) or Jesus, Prophet Isa (as) that mankind corrupted their teachings. Muhammad (saw) was given The Message from Allah (swt) with the promise that The Quran & The Sunnah would never be corrupted.
lorrainethepain 3 weeks ago
@AegeanKing You're the victim of Christian propaganda. So was I for 45 years of my life. You're angry because you want to prove that Christianity is right & I'm happy because I know that Christianity, in its current form, is wrong. In their purest forms, Judaism, Christianity & Islam are very close, as we all worship The One True God. Mankind corrupted The Word of God, so He sent Muhammad (saw) to give people The Truth. I have no questions about religion, but you obviously do.
lorrainethepain 3 weeks ago
@lorrainethepain way to completely ignore what I said and go off on a complete tangent. We are talking about the message that Jesus is the Son of God and if that teaching can be found to go back to the Apostles. Without using the Bible, I can establish easily that it did using the same principle of Isnad. Lastly, the Quran describes the Trinity wrong and the Sonship of Christ wrong. Lets take this discussion to the mailbox and I will prove my point.
AegeanKing 3 weeks ago
@AegeanKing Jesus, Prophet Isa (as), is coming back to set things straight. He's going to say, "When did I ever tell you to worship me?" "Trinity" isn't even mentioned in The Bible. It was made up to lure the Pagans. "Trinity" is in The Quran, though, several times, & how it is a lie against God, Allah (swt). I believe in One God, Allah (swt) & His messengers. I don't believe what was made up about Isa (as) after he left the Dunya. Prove your point in Hell. Discussion over.
lorrainethepain 3 weeks ago
@lorrainethepain The word "monotheism" isn't mentioned in the Bible either. That doesn't mean it doesn't teach it. Prove my point in hell? How charitable you are and what an example you are of the muslim community tell me I am going to hell. Are you God? Who gave you authority to assign my eternal destiny? Typical of a muslim to run from honest dialogue and condemn people to hell. Truly pathetic...
AegeanKing 3 weeks ago
I actually think hijabs are pretty, except for the whole reason they have to wear them.
pandorachild 4 weeks ago
May I ask a serious question, Why does Islam call itself the religion of peace when it clearly is so violent? I mean you people cant be that stupid to see what is happening around the world in the name of this religion, hell many people leave Islamic countries because of this just to commit atrocious crimes in another country. What is mercy when you bury a person half in the ground and throw rocks at them until it is a bloody stump, or throw battery acid in the face of women who read?
pandorachild 4 weeks ago
@pandorachild your brainwashed dear pandorachild! i dont think 1.6 million muslims are crazy... there are non muslims who have accepted islam and many athiests as well..your missing out on something...do some soul searching and study islam..not the actions of a handful of "muslims" and with the help of the CIA and FBI propaganda.
Serahxx20 3 weeks ago
@Serahxx20 When you give up on reasoning and logic and avoid all the evidence to suit your faith it does make you crazy, or what we call DELUSIONAL. 1.6 Ignorant uneducated peoples opinions do not make anything true. Everyone used to think the world was flat, did that have any affect on reality? NO. If you give up on reasoning and logic it becomes quite easy to believe anything you want, even terrorism. Because you believe with no evidence then they can believe in anything they want.
pandorachild 3 weeks ago
@pandorachild ooo pooo!!!! The quran already told us the earth wasnt flat!! boo yah!!!
and i couldnt be bothered wit hthe rest of ur banter! u obviously know were onto something thats why ur on these islamic videos bcoz u just wanna make urself feel as though your right... buzz off
Serahxx20 3 weeks ago
@Serahxx20 yep delusional, get educated and break the stereotype and scientific gap between western and barbaric mid east. Or just pray all day while your brothers translate the quran in a way so they can rape murder and Lie.
pandorachild 3 weeks ago
@pandorachild lol @ barbaric! why dont u go and check your western history books and see the types of crimes yall commited against humanity! OHHHH THE BLASPHEMY!!!!!!! now get off islamic videos if u hate so much?? when i hate something i stay the hell away from it then what u doing here pandora child?? go on then lil one.... off you go... tut tut tut
Serahxx20 3 weeks ago
i feel same way about that girl,i see no point in headscarf
101inthezone 1 month ago
He said it simple and cleary
igeto12 1 month ago
masha'allah ver on point and very good only the laymen who has jahilyya ignorance no knowledge would not think this is a good dawa talk, may allah guide us all this speaker seems very good intellectual masha'allah
andyshutup 1 month ago
LOOK AT UR WORKPLACE IF U DONT WORK AND FOLLOW THE RULES U GUNA GET FIRED RIGHT SAME SENSE HERE NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND Y TRY MAKE IT COMPLICATED @ ALL DA COMMENTS PRETENDING TO NOT UNDERSTAND THE TOPIC AT HAND
crook4real 1 month ago
islam=superstition. not so? prove it.
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@fourbabies1 miraclesofthequran. com
that explains everything!
CanZu7 1 month ago
@CanZu7 wow your funny.
pandorachild 1 month ago
@pandorachild no, i'm serious
CanZu7 1 month ago
@CanZu7 wow delusional Much? Not a single miracle of the quran has ever been proven and the entire book was poorly copied from the Jews.Only a complete idiot would take it seriously. Lets see, Meca Glows and you can see it from space right? Turns out Meca has alot of Marble stone... this is the type on miracles you believe in?
Watch my thumb..... oh it broken , now it fixed , now its broken, you get the point.
The Quran is a bad joke, and its pure EVIL.
pandorachild 1 month ago
@CanZu7 like iron? Why is it Islam takes credit for stuff that was know for 3000 years before Mo' and no real science has come out of Islam since its golden age?
pandorachild 1 month ago
@CanZu7 embryology: wow Islam was dead on except they forgot to mention half, the ovum, you know the part they couldn't actually see!
pandorachild 4 weeks ago
@CanZu7 ps every one of these vague and incorrect lies has been exposed.
islam-watchdotorg/Amarkhan/Miracles-of-Quran-Exposed
pandorachild 4 weeks ago
@fourbabies1 When u toss a coin it falls back on ground .The coin obeys GRAVITATIONAL Laws.
WHO MADE THESE LAWS ?????
It is God who made all these LAWS . So if humanbeings Submit to the will of God , then u wil be rewarded in life after death . Submitting to the Will of God is called as ISLAM .
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2 First you can assert that something was created all you want but you can not prove it. Second,You have failed to prove that god, your god or any god is the source of the creation you again just assert it as fact with no evidence or arguments. Submitting to the imaginary is delusional.
pandorachild 3 weeks ago
@pandorachild i have submitted to the one who has created this universe . Science tells us that the universe started with a BIG BANG / BIG EXPLOSION .Since Life cannot come into existence from from huge explosion of HOT NON-Living matter . I have understood that God created life . Bcos only living organisms can give birth to living organisms . have u ever seen any Non-living thing give birth to a living thing ??
Thats why i believe in God .
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2 who created god then, you cant say no one bcus you just said only life can create life.Religion only makes sense if you don't actually think about it.
pandorachild 3 weeks ago
@pandorachild I am not telling that everything has a creator . I am saying that every Created thing has a Creator . Presence of a DESIGN indicates a DESIGNER . In this world i see symmetrical designs . In human beings we have Bi-lateral symmetry . So i know that there is a creator .
I have not directly seen God . God is The Creator of mass & energy & Laws of this Universe.
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2 this argument is well refuted as a logical fallacy. Indication of design does not mean proof of design, Basic understanding of anatomy clearly debunks any claims of design. You do NOT "know" anything, you only believe it because if you knew it you could demonstrate it which you cant.Why cant you people be honest?
pandorachild 3 weeks ago
@pandorachild Can u explain how how miracle of life started on this planet . Cant u see that there are Scientific Laws that are being strictly followed . Laws are formed when someone makes the LAW !! dont u get it . If nobody made the GRAVITATIONAL LAWS then how do they exist ! U are a fool . Cant u see .
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2
Gravity is a law?????
Since when?
Who changed it?
Why was it changed?
You call other people names, but you yourself are to blame. Just like evolution, gravity is based on facts but will always remain a scientific theory.
What are "scientific laws"? It seems you have some serious knowledge deficits.
StopSpamming1 3 weeks ago
@StopSpamming1 ha ha ha You are not aware of the developments of science in 21st century . Do u know Professor Michio Kaku . Just type PARALLEL UNIVERSE in youtube and search for those lectures .
THESE ARE LAWS WHICH ONLY EXIST IN OUR UNIVERSE . According to science there are MANY UNIVERSES ! it is a MULTIVERSE ! NOT just 1 Universe .
These Laws were created after the BigBang according to Modern Science & Modern Physics.
Please study beyond Classical Physics my friend .
happyidris2 3 weeks ago 2
@pandorachild God is immortal . Only God is immortal . The immortal God has created the mortal forms of life like plants , animals , fish , men , birds etc .
God has sent the Miraculous Quran for our guidance . If u have any doubts pls feel free to ask me brother . God said all human beings are children of Adam & Eve ( peace be on them ) . So we all human beings are of a single race .
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2 this is what is known as special pleading. you first say on life can create life then you say except for god, which is inconsistent.The quran was written by men claiming to be talking to a god but closer inspection proves Mo' was just coping what he was trying to read in the other books. The Miracles of the Quran prove Mo' was not telling the truth and a perfect example would be Iron, which was known 3000 years before and is documented. Islam is a lie and you are a fool.
pandorachild 3 weeks ago
@pandorachild The Miracle of Quran is its literary miracle . Nobody on this planet has been able to produce a literature of higher standard than the Quran . There are many scintific facts mentioned in Quran , which could not have know to the people of 7th century . Prophet Mohammed( peace be on him) was unlettered . He only taught to his companions what God had revealed tho him .
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2
Sorry, but your points are ca. 1200 years too late. And wrong.
}"Nobody on this planet has been able to produce a literature of higher standard than the Quran"
Have you heard of TheJinnAndTonicShow? They had this topic last Saturday and showed how many people have satisfied this challenge and what is wrong with the challenge itself.
The following show will be about "scientific miracle" claims involving the Koran, because all claims made so far have been proven wrong.
StopSpamming1 3 weeks ago
@StopSpamming1 Why dont these people go Saudi Arabia and Challenge the ARAB-MUSLIM-SCHOLARS :-) ha ha ha .
It is very easy to speak what ever u like brother . You can never win that challenge if a good Arab Scholar defends the Quran . Many great Arab Scholars of CLASSICAL ARABIC also couldnt do it .
Please tel me those scientific stuff . I will answer to u brother . Quran cannot go against any established fact of Science . Just tel me brother ,lets discuss those scientific facts in Quran
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2
}"That means women have to cover all her body"
Well, if you know exactly what your god meant when he said something, what's the point discussing it. It's not in the Koran, but if you know better, so be it.
I have discussed science and the Koran so many times, I am sick and tired of repeating it over and over with uneducated people.
You want scientific facts in the Koran, you prove it's there.
StopSpamming1 3 weeks ago
@StopSpamming1 Quran(21:30)Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?
These are the deductions from the Hubble's Law & Big Bang Theory . Scientist got this information in 20th century . Hubble's Law was stated in 1929 . But Quran was revealed in 7th century .
This is an proof that Quran is the word of God because men did not know this in 7th century !
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@StopSpamming1 Quran(21:33) And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming
Did u know that till 16th century people believed that Earth was the centre of Universe [GEOCENTRIC THEORY] , then from 17th century to 19th century people believed tat Sun was the centre of Universe [HELIOCENTRIC THEORY] . today in the 21st century we know that even sun moves in the MILKY WAY GALAXY !
in 7th century people didnt know this !!
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2
Oh goodness, you are one of those old-fashioned and deluded science believers that the rest of the world is laughing about.
Wake up! Most Muslims have abandoned those arguments because even Muslims have realised they are fakes.
StopSpamming1 3 weeks ago
@StopSpamming1 Quran is the truth from God . If u believe tat it is false even after seeing the SIGNS of God in Quran, then it is your wish . you are responsible for your life .
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2 Lies Like i already said before, IRON was known to the Egyptians 3000 years before FROM METEORITES. If you are an honest person answer this, why do you have to lie to protect the faith?
pandorachild 3 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@pandorachild That is a Clear Proof for the people of Understanding . No man could have know those scientific facts in 7th century . Only God could know because God is All-Knowing . It is to Allah that u have to return after you die . I am just a plain Warner . I dont want u to go to hell . So i am inviting u to Islam . It is your wish brother .
You can never deny that science was not so advanced in 7th century . Quran is the word of God
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@pandorachild That is a Clear Proof for the people of Understanding . No man could have know those scientific facts in 7th century . Only God could know because God is All-Knowing . It is to Allah that u have to return after you die . I am just a plain Warner . I dont want u to go to hell . So i am inviting u to Islam . It is your wish brother .
You can never deny that science was not so advanced in 7th century to know about ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE !!. Quran is the word of God
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@pandorachild Quran( 57:25) And We SENT DOWN iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people, .
The Quran seems to imply that the iron was something “sent down” and not from this earth, an idea not foreign to 20th century science. Not only the iron on earth, but also the iron in the entire Solar System, comes from outer space . Iron can only be produced in much larger stars than the Sun, where the temperature reaches a few hundred million degrees.
Nobody knew this in egypt !
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2 The word anzalna/anzala is used 88 times in the Qur'an. It is also used for:
Cattle: Qur'an 39:06
Garments: Qur'an 7:26
Food/sustenance: Qur'an 10:59 Qur'an 45:05 Qur'an 2:57 Qur'an 7:160
People of the book: Qur'an 33:26
Water/rain: Qur'an 20:164 Qur'an 16:10 Qur'an 35:27 Qur'an 14:32 Qur'an 22:05 Qur'an 25:48 Qur'an 6:99 Qur'an 16:65 Qur'an 39:21 Qur'an 20:53 Qur'an 41:39 Qur'an 31:10 Qur'an 13:17 Qur'an 22:63 Qur'an 2:22 Qur'an 27:60 Qur'an 23:18 Qur'an 78:14
pandorachild 3 weeks ago
@pandorachild There are HUGE Iron deposits in India , USA and many parts of world . People never knew that these HUGE IRON DEPOSITS came from outer space till 20th century .
People in the 7th century did NOT know how the elements were formed in hot stars . only in 20th century we got to know about NUCLEAR FUSION !
This is the truth . I hope u understand .
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2 The Egyptians called iron 'the metal of heaven' or ba-en-pet, which indicates that the first specimen employed were of meteoric origin; the Babylonian name having the same meaning. It was no doubt on account of its rarity that iron was prized so highly by the early Egyptians, while its celestial source would have its fascination. If you wish to remain deluded dont argue with atheists in public, like youtube.
pandorachild 3 weeks ago
@pandorachild So u agree that iron came from heaven and iron was not formed on this earth . This is what is said in Quran . That means Quran doesn't contradict science :-) . Quran speaks the truth u see ! :-) :-)
happyidris2 3 weeks ago 7
@happyidris2 Divine knowledge is not the only way someone could have reasoned the origin of iron. While most of the iron did arrive in a cataclysmic event early in Earth's history with a massive body that settled into the core, iron continues to fall to Earth on a daily basis in the form of meteorites. I'm sure someone in the early middle east could have seen a meteorite crash on Earth and investigated it to see that it contains iron. That's hardly something to be amazed by.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@DamienZshadow I am sure your mother fornicated with a man, and you were born out of that.
shadowsburnme 2 weeks ago
@shadowsburnme Well talk about deviating from the topic with ad hominem attacks to my character. You couldn't even try to look like you were addressing one of my points? No, it's okay. I forgive you for sounding like child on the playground making "yo mama" jokes. But in defense of my mother's honor, she was married two years to my father before having me in 1987. Nice try though.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@DamienZshadow It was not ad hominem. The comment was related to your comment about fornicating.
I am glad you are a kaafir man, good riddance, dont need douche bags in the religion. Now I wait to be beside you on your death bed and see you in your eyes just when the last breath draws out of your throat.
shadowsburnme 2 weeks ago
@shadowsburnme Are you replying to the right person? The comment you replied to was about iron being delivered from meteorites. Also, it sounds like you're angry at me for some reason. I'm sorry, it was never my intention to offend anyone, I was simply offering up other explanations for @happyidris2. Rather than call me a douche bag or a bastard child, why not explain what part of what I said didn't jive with you and why. Maybe I could clear it up or learn better from you.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@DamienZshadow your comment about someone in 7th century Arabia having done research to find out that meteorites contained Iron was ludicrous and based on scrupulous delusional imaginations .
shadowsburnme 2 weeks ago
@shadowsburnme But nothing to do with fornication. Either way, now that we're back on topic, I should say that it doesn't require a lot of research at all. Meteors fall all the time on Earth, every so often it's big enough to catch someone's attention and leave behind a crater. Eventually, a weapon forger melting the rock would have discovered it was rich in iron. An IronAge hill fort in Danebury England was constructed in 2500 years ago to hold a ceremonial meteor in it's center.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@DamienZshadow your claim is based on speculation. I travel more often than ancient arabs could have, i have a far more curious outlook, yet I never came across a fallen meteorite. What are the chances that a meteor fell in laps of a curious arab who figured it out, and then got in touch with Muhammad and told him it has iron, after doing spectroscopic analysis? You sir are the master of perverted delusions.
shadowsburnme 2 weeks ago
@shadowsburnme Spectroscopic analysis? Dude, iron melts at a certain temperature, you don't need a spectrometer to determine if a rock has iron in it. How else did smelters in 1300 BC extract the iron from rock to make their iron weapons? Besides, we have proof that early Sumerian weapons many years before that had iron directly from meteors. How? Meteoric iron has a high nickle content (making it easier to work with than smelted iron that is taken from the Earth) found in IRAN.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@DamienZshadow Only pure iron melts at a certain temperature. Iron in meteorites is mixed with other metals, and as such "alloys" would not melt at ideal temperatures. I am not a metallurgist but even my science background tells me that
1- an arab would not be able to tell an iron in meterorite from pure iron just based on melting temps
2- Just because Sumerian weapons had high nickel content, it does not mean that iron for sure was from meteors.
shadowsburnme 2 weeks ago
@shadowsburnme Meteoric iron is primarily distinguished by it's 5-25% nickle content. Now any Arab or traveler prior to Muhammad's time, could have witnessed these rarely seen common events. Bedouins of Saudia Arabia spoke about a legendary place called Al-Hadida (place of iron) in what became known as the Wabar craters. Emperor Jahangir from India recorded a time when he saw a light fall from the sky and crash into the earth. He made a knife out of the iron he found there.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@DamienZshadow Emperor Jahangir comes 1000 years later from pre-Islamic Arabs, the time when Muslims had made astounding progress in astronomy and chemistry. The very fact you gave this example shows your intellectual dishonesty!
shadowsburnme 2 weeks ago
@shadowsburnme Whoa, take it easy. Sorry for not specifying enough, it doesn't matter when it necessarily happened. Those examples were referring to your statement about it being seemingly impossible for people to relate a meteor and its contents from coming from the stars when there was an eye witness account of someone doing just that and making the connection that the iron came from above the sky. I did not intend to fool you to think anything besides that.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@DamienZshadow BTW which bedouins were these? Just because they spoke of a place called Place of Iron, how does it mean they believed it was from Meteors?
shadowsburnme 2 weeks ago
@shadowsburnme Harry Philby, 1932 British explorer, found an area known as the Wabar craters thanks to the Beouins of southern Saudia Arabia. The craters appear to have been formed 400 years earlier so it is likely someone would have also seen and maybe followed the falling balls of fire from the sky and discovering the iron deposits across the area. Again, not pre-Islamic but still an example of someone being able to see something fall from the sky and where it lands.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@shadowsburnme Hell, even in recent times you could see footage meteors being caught on camera by random people and if they are large enough, even leaving behind a crater or tearing through some poor individual's home or car. Anyone could then try and use the stuff they find, thinking it must be divine, either by sharpening or attempting to smelt it. However difficult it may have been, eventually it would be recognized as having similar properties to the stuff they would call iron
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@shadowsburnme Oh and how could I forget the obvious property of iron. It is magnetic! Now that's something that could have easily distinguished the contents of a meteor as being the iron everyone was used to using. And in case you were to say so, Thales of Miletus can be found in 600 BC speaking about lodestones and their magnetic properties of attraction to metals like iron. Sorry about the many posts, just want to make sure I am clear so there is no more misinterpretation.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@DamienZshadow Well, I wonder what connections "Thales of Miletus" had with pre-Islamic Bedouin Arabs or Mohammad. Perhaps, you might explain it better with your encyclopedic knowledge on the topic.
I am sure Arabs had magnets in abundance too.
shadowsburnme 2 weeks ago
@shadowsburnme Knowledge travels on the backs of merchants. Arabia just so happened to be the center of trade between the east and west for the longest time. Magnets were common knowledge and not exactly rare at the time and any good smelter or blacksmith would have probably had one. Not encyclopedic, I just like history and science a lot. And like I mentioned, it wasn't easy for me to admit I did not believe. I had to do research and question myself many times. I'm still learning
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@DamienZshadow Yea, Arabia was not a huge metropolitan center of trade as you make it out to be though.
shadowsburnme 2 weeks ago
@shadowsburnme It really doesn't take much. If the concept of gun powder could travel from China all the way to western Europe then I think a little hearsay knowledge and practice on iron and magnetism could make it through and around the Middle East if it didn't start there. The very act of metallurgy was spread that way. I'm sorry, it's just not that miraculous since it is quite possible to learn it other ways. I am open to hearing other points that convince you Islam is correct
DamienZshadow 1 week ago
@happyidris2 Not to mention, your claim about heaven and earth splitting doesn't hold much weight with other polytheistic creation stories. In most mythologies, the Heavens (Male) split from the Earth (Female) like Ouranus and Gaia (Greek), Anu and Ki (Mesopotamian), Ragni and Papa (Maori), Geb and Nut (Egyptian), and even the Chinese and Indians told about the giant Pangu or world egg that split into heaven and earth thousands of years before the Quran was written.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@happyidris2 In case you misunderstand, physics only applies the term "law" to theories that seem to have proven themselves time and time again. It is really an older term that isn't thrown around as much by professionals now a days. It by no means dictates that they are unchanging or set by design. That is an argument from ignorance. Just because we don't always know why something is the way it is, doesn't mean Allah did it. That is called the God of the gaps which grows smaller.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
@pandorachild Did u know that ancient indians used to believe that BANANA came from heaven . thats why its scientific name is MUSA PARADISICA . People in many ancient civilizations believe such things
but u cannot say that ancient Indians knew that Banan tree came from heaven :-) ha ha. Please understand friend .Just because if someone called it 'metal of heaven" it doesn't mean they knew where it was formed and how it reached earth .
God sent Iron to earth so that we can use it.
GOD is Great!
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@pandorachild I never said life can create life. I said the only living things give birth to progeny . your mother did not create u .Your mother did not select the eye color of yours , she did not select the facial features of yours . So your mother is NOT your creator . Yet you are born and you exist . So who created you ???? It is the powerful & All-Knowing God that created u in your mother's womb .
Hope u understand . It is so simple u see .
happyidris2 3 weeks ago
@happyidris2 Proof or just more assertions based on faith?
pandorachild 3 weeks ago
@pandorachild That is a Clear Proof for the people of Understanding . No man could have know those scientific facts in 7th century . Only God could know because God is All-Knowing . It is to Allah that u have to return after you die . I am just a plain Warner . I dont want u to go to hell . So i am inviting u to Islam . It is your wish brother .
You can never deny that science was not so advanced in 7th century . Quran is the word of God
happyidris2 3 weeks ago