Instead of spreading hate maybe you could find an organization and volunteer and make an effort to stop ILLEGAL adoptions worldwide.
Adoption can turn a bad situation into a good situation, why don't you take your bad situation and turn it into something good? Get back at the people who participated in your adoption by stopping others from doing the same thing.
Much2say1, I wish that you would think about what you have to say and realize that you are not the only adopted child in the world, you are not the only illegally adopted child in the world, and maybe you need to focus on ending ILLEGAL adoption, instead of spreading negative and incorrect messages about adoption. Adoption CAN be a positive thing, and MANY MANY people are happy about their adoptions (adoptees and adoptive parents alike).
In the US: Bioparents are given free counseling from the adoption agency and are given access to resources for grieving bioparents. Biomoms cannot be coerced or forced and no money can be exchanged in return for a child. US Agencies are 100% required to be nonprofit, and inspections are done regularly.
*Also in the US: Adoptive families have access to the ORIGINAL birth records! Before the adoption is finalized, adoptive parents can print forms online from their local Vital Records website, mail the forms in, and receive the original birth certificate with the bioparents' names on it. The adoption birth certificate with the adoptive parents' names is not available until after the adoption is final.
*Sad fact: Many adopted children are would-have-been aborted children. Justin Bieber was a child of rape. His biomother chose adoption. Other times, the biomom went into a free clinic for an abortion but for whatever reason, an abortion could not be performed (especially late-term). The only alternative for a family in poverty if an abortion cannot be performed is adoption.
* Bioparents in the US have the option of choosing adoptive parents who want an open adoption. Contact can be anything from email to phone calls to visits in person, as frequent or as infrequent as is comfortable.
* The only cause of a bioparent being forced to place for adoption is if the child has already been in foster care at least 5 YEARS (yes, the new legal minimum in most states--in other states it is 3). EVERY effort is made to reunite the foster child with some kind of safe relative--grandparent, aunt, etc. Bioparents are given many, many chances to become better parents, and the court is public.
*Adoptive parents undergo EXTENSIVE background checks for criminal record, child abuse record, even driver's license record is checked. They also undergo a physical and mental health exam, and their home is checked 3-5 times in person by a trained specialist for safety. Pets in the home are checked for health and safety.
A person who has qualified recently for adoption in the US has a VERY high chance of being mentally and physically able to care for a child.
I think the problem here is that half the commenters are from the UK and the other half are from the US. SO, to clear it up: In the *US*:
*Bio parents can pick the adoptive parents and meet them before the baby's birth
*Bio parents have the right to refuse, even 3 days or more after the birth, even after the baby is at the home of the adoptive parents, bio parents can change their minds.
i was adopted in the 60,s i was told mum wont love you enless you behave or tell everyone what i was or i would be sent back to the babies home.no wonder my head is messed up.as a christian its ok to hurt but not to hate but this is no easy for us it take a lifetime...............jeff......48
It's not adoption that hurts, it's what causes adoption to be necessary and the fact that children who are not adopted are forced to spend years in a system only meant for temporary care. As an adopted child, I have no pain from my adoption it's self, my only pain is not knowing my heritage which is not a big deal. Not knowing what country my ancestors are from is much better than being raised by a convicted pedophile and a crack addict. I would much rather be adopted and SAFE.
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i'm adopted from Brasil to the netherlands and i have found my real parents but Though i love my real parents i love my adoptive parents even more you know why my real mom gave me life but my adoptive parents made my life and i'm the person who i am today because of them and not because my real mom i hope to visit my real father this year for the first time i'm so scared and nervouse but however it goes i will always be thankful that my mom made this decision
I believe that different circumstances and personality types makes adoptees feel differently. I was adopted in a planned adoption at birth, without knowledge until after I had children. I love my parents and never knew the difference and was never treated differently. I now have an appreciation for my birth parents. However, I would never change a thing. I would not be who I am today without the love and support I have from both my mom and dad, the people who raised and supported me.
There are bad adoptions and good adoptions, and as long as the child is loved, then who cares whether they're related to their parents?
Really in truly some kids really want families and while no kid should be forced to be grateful EVERY SINGLE KID IN THE WORLD SHOULD BE GRATEFUL, ADOPTED OR BIOLOGICAL. Not because they were saved, but because they were loved, and I am extremely grateful to my mom, and she is grateful for me.
This is a stupid video. All children are beautiful miracles.
I'm just wondering what you're basing your claims on? you say this makes it harder for adoptees, are you speaking for all adoptees there? are you even an adoptee? you're doing precisely what you accuse this video of doing really.
if you find this point of view of adoption hard to deal with then I would suggest that you don't ever adopt.
I said there are bad adoptions and good adoptions. I'm saying this video is probably accurate for at least half of all adoptions, but not completely all of them.
Who ever made this video should not put him/herself in the shoes of all adoptees and think they speak for them. You can only speak for yourself. My niece's 4 year old daughter was taken from her because her boyfriend molested her and she chose to stay with her boyfriend and give up up daughter. What kind of bio mom is that? The child was later adopted and I'm glad and I bet she is too.
depending on the region, youre released at 12 or 16 if not adopted, with little to no assistance in living on your own. statistics show that released orphans are mutually useless to the country. nearly all of them become drug/alcohol abusers, prostitutes, criminals, or commit suicide.
parents lead as role models. they help set you up to lead your own life. imagine if nobody did that for you, where you would be.
this is very interesting to see it from the other point of view. I personally am about to do an international adoption. i wanted to share with you the statistics and why in some cases adoption really is a miracle.
youtube "russian adoption or siberian adoption". these kids are neglected nearly all day in their cribs....they eat fish heads for lunch...have holes in their socks...and live in buildings that resemble a prison.
sarrow101 hiya, your parents not keeping you doesnt mean they hated you. I think nearly all adoptees have had times when they have thought that (I know I did!) No matter how much a parent loves their child sometimes circumstances make it impossible for them to stay together. Im sorry you were put in a rotten family. That family didnt hate you either they were just hateful people. Have you told any one about the abuse? If you havent please find some one to tell, continued below
I know telling some one could mean yet another move into the unknown but trust me it will be a safer unknown. If you ever need to chat please let me know, I hate to think of you going through this alone. I might be a boring old english woman (well, not that old!) but I'm not too old to listen.
senragproject, you seem to guess alot. Guess work and assumption is hardly the basis for a valid argument. Every child deserves a loving caring home. Every child also deserves the right to have all birth records and legal ties intact and unaltered. Adoption permenantly severs legal family ties and alters birth records. You should be able to love and raise a child without altering and falsifying records. Also having family members who are adopted is not the same as being adopted.
I'm adopted and I even believe in the fact that Adoption severing the ties between real families and adopted children is cruel. On the other hand though, I have been treated very well by my adoptive family. (Sometimes I do not see it as such) But still, I was deeply hurt when I found out I had two older sisters when I was 13. My biological brother (who is as tough as nails when it comes to this) was even scarred by the news. I am still disgusted to this day that I do not know my real father.
You seem very bitter, I guess your adopted life did not go so well. Well, guess what? You don't have to be adopted to not have your life not go so well.. I wish the best for you... Stop blamming the rest of the world for your problems and get on with the rest of your life. Maybe you can adopt a child and make their life better than yours......My family has many adopted children within, cousins--aunts. Some of them even know their original family. They are happy people..
Bitter, a favorite word of abusive people. Many mothers who surrendered their children are called that, just for saying how much it hurts and how cruelly and unjustly we were treated. We're fighting to abolish inhumane adoption laws. But no, we're always 'rare exceptions' (you wish!!). Most mothers don't even know if their children are dead or alive. You are thoughtless, arrogant, ignorant and unkind. Face your own faults. Learn some humility. You are not one to judge!
tell it like it is matey....2nd best is never good enough.....no one can erlise how it feels to be purchased like a dog and be gratefull for any scraps from the bio child uless they lived it...thank you masta oh thank you masta...your so kind
Hiya teacupgirrrl, Im an idiot sorry, If you click on my name on this site it should take you to my youtube home page. At the top where it says who and where im from it has a link there to adopting my indentity. You will find links to my other sites once you get there!
Tina, what's the link to your site, I'd like to read more about all of this. I'm asking this with respect and sensitivity: do you feel adoption is ever the answer? This is all very thought provoking and I just hope that the dialog can continue but with people being respectful and sensitive to one another's personal feelings and/or experiences on this very important issue.
Hi teacupgirrrl, It's great that you want to find out more and are willing to look at all sides. Adoption is a very emotive subject, there are no winners in adoption (except for the cash makers ect). The biggest thing (sometimes the hardest) to remember is that adopters, mothers nor adoptees are the enemy.
Its not adoption Im against it is the adoption laws and practices. If new laws and reforms were to happen they couldn't exsist under the current term 'adoption' because people would still think in the terms of 'adoption'.
Children cant always live with their families and need a loving stable home somewhere whether it be short term or long term. They should be able to have that without losing all legal ties forever with their family.
Hi, Tina, I did try and find your blogs but the problem is, well, I just recently got this stupid computer somebody gave it to me used and I am not good at all at manuvering and getting to what I'm looking for. I clicked where it says, "my adoption" but I did not get anything except your home page. The most I was able to read or see about you was the adorable pic. (Lord, what an awful cake, I would've cried too.LOL!) and the short paragraph next to your pic. continue on next post...
U R a beautiful and precious person. You deserved a loving and healthy parent(s). I hope the rest of your life is overflowing in love. God bless you.
tina, thanks for responding to me....i was directly quoting you when i implied you were "selfish" from when you called some poor soul "selfish" for having a positive adoption & for supporting adoption.
i'm sorry that you had a difficult start to the world - i also had a 'less than ideal' entry into the world - what i object to is the way you and your group are harrassing anyone like hajhaj1992 or anyone who disagrees with you or has had a different experience from yours. focus on positives.
Hi, I dont have a group, I allow any one to comment. My replies to hajhaj1992 were my views. My main objection was her comment to abortion. I am a person not an alternative to an abortion. In the UK the majority of adoptions are forced adoptions through freeing orders obtained in closed courts. Our councils have adoption targets and insecentives.
Our government doesnt even aknowledge the exsistence of adult adoptees (child adoptees fall of the earth I think when they reach 18, in their eyes). Different countries have different adoption laws and practices. I speak of UK practices. Kevin Rudd publicly apologised on behalf of himself and the Austrailian parliment for its generation of Lost children and the hurt and suffering done to its children and families
Sorry dont make for instant serenity. what it does do though is allow some healing to start and give hope for the possibility of changes. The UK is a life time away from ever having a parliment that puts its children before its own self importance and its image to the rest of the world.
i have so many mixed emotions here...i am adopted, and all though there good & bad sides to that, i find the video comes across like a brat having a hissy fit - there are worse things in life than being adopted.....however, i love the dolls & music.
Adoption is a wonderful and loving choice that a mother makes. As an adopted child, I am insulted by your video. My adopted and biological parents both loved me very much and gave me the best life I could have ever asked for. Adoption is a wonderful thing and is a loving choice by the biological parents.
bhowell1127,sorry you are so easily insulted. Many adoption are done not only illegally but forcibly. The only way to prevent these practices is a complete reform. replacing adoption with a legal gaurdianship and all monies taken out of the equation would go some way in putting the child before the profiteers. Adoption may not have hurt you but it has hurt far too many. Your attitude is selfish. It worked for you so screw every one else. Oh how proud your parents must be.
much2say1 - really?? keeping kids in legal guardianship - so what happened to you never happens to anyone again?? i think alot of kids would rather be adopted & have a firm extended family, your attitude is selfish - adoption didn't work for you, so screw everyone else...?? try to be objective
What exactly is selfish about wanting to keep all original birth details unaltered and complete, if you have read my blog you will see that falsifying personal history is what I object to. The UK has special guardianship, which offers legal permanence for children without severing all legal ties and changing birth details. Is that so wrong. by the way I was a blackmarket baby so their was no failed adoption.
I find it funny that you equate gratitude with selfishness. Obviously you're bitter about your own experience. Even if Bhowell is ignorant of some legal facts, it does not make their standpoint self centered. You, however, seem to have a lot of resentment towards the people on this board who have had a good experience.
@bhowell1127:this is really wonderful for you, congratulations, BUT eg my mother and her brother had no luck with their "new" parents and they had no choice to choose, no possibility to have contact to their real parents, no idea where to search. think about the right of children, we should strengthen families/ mothers and not assist destruction. it´s ok if somebody cares but there is no right to steal a persons identity.
Bhowell, Mothers are fighting to keep their children, and the government is paying local authorities £2.5 million (Essex) to sell children. Mothers are fleeing the UK to protect their children.
The Council of Europe are being brought in! It's THAT bad!
The adoptees desperately want to find their birth parents. They should automatically be given full access to their birth parents/records.
Lets hear it for adoptee rights!
It's the voice of the child that should be listened to.
hi everyone. Thanks for taking the time to comment.MTV are about to make a fly on the wall documentry promoting adoption. They have already advertised for 3 woman who theycan film through pregnancy and eventual adoption. They want to coincide it with the ichoseadoption campaign. It will be an overall veiw on the joys of adoption. Please if you have the time could you email chuck at MTV and voice your opinions about the promotion and gloryfing of adoption. cheers tina
Hiya here is a link to my blog and article Its chuck johnson you need to email addy is on there. Il get together some links for you. I have been emailing EU parliment as well as usual uk idiots. back in a mo tina
I'm a birth mother who was forced to have an adoption...then lied to when I CHOSE to KEEP MY baby (the lawyer lied as he was getting paid...). Adoption can be wonderful, but not when the birthmothers are forced & coerced into it. Thanks for making this video, as it shows adoption isn't always a Choice, and it can hurt everyone involved.
Muchausens By Proxy Syndrome is something that the secret family court use to "prove" that a person ( almost always the mother) is a child abuser. It has been thoroughly discredited by bona fide medical boards, but that doesn't stop the secret family courts using it to steal children from good parents.
Thank you! It's a wondeful video. I'm sorry that it's sheer brilliance, was born from heartache, but just to say that it's one of my all time favourite videos.
The only time adoption should come into play is when the child as been battered. The reasons should always be proven before any child is perminently removed.
I agree the people wanted to adopt are selfish in lots of cases but i also think there are alot of caring people out there
I have had a child stolen from me, I was not given a choice. Adoption should be a last option if all else fails.
The only other time adoption should come into play is where say family members leave in someway like death and have no living relative to take care of the children.
Tina, It seems to me that your parents (read that to be your adoptive parents) were pretty screwed up if they talked about your birthmom as portrayed in your video. Please know that they are not the norm. We also adopted through an open, domestic adoption. Our daughter is 12 now. We've met with her mom and dad several times over the years but they have pulled back over time. Fortunately, before she was old enough to really understand. She is so loved and no, we don't dress alike. Yuck!
Hi, Thanks for taking the time to reply. Your right my adoption (illegal)is not the norm and I only wish there were more adoptive parents like you. Your openness with your daughter will allow her to discuss any confused feeling she might ever have. It must be hard to be so open when obviously you want to protect your child from any possible hurt. I must admit I was exaggerating with the dressing the same seeing my mum in a brownie uniform would have been too much haha. Thanks again Tina
hajhaj, good luck in your decision to adopt. I was adopted and am extremely grateful to my biological mom for her unselfish decision. She was 16. It is unimaginably hard for a mother to give up her child after it is born. But she did. I am equally grateful to my adoptive parents who I will always see as my true parents. The video may describe some adoptive parents but completely misrepresents mine and others i know of. Although i may suffer at times, i wouldn't change a thing.
It would be best to give up any children you have. It would be selfish of you to subject them to a self-centered, hostile bio-parent. Remember there's always someone better than you. Heredity means nothing. Many rich people want to adopt. You know how important THAT is for children. They need lots of money and stuff and social status to be truly happy. Let them chain your children with guilt and suffocate their spirits. If you really love them, give them up. They'll be grateful.
Also open adoption is always an option. I would be perfectly willing to do that and I actually believe that would be better and if the biological parents give me that option it is what i will do.
I thought you were done here. Are you ill? The biological parents do not have a say if the adoption is closed or open. Go play with your toys. I think I will notify every State in the US... never... never... never... let you adopt anything.
Im sorry i didn't know i was talking to god, i didn't realize you had that much power. Just to let you know, the biological parents PICK the family they want and if they want an open adoption they find a family willing to do that.
If you are unable to understand this was a figure of speech, then you are really troubled. Biological families are not afforded a choice dear. I guess you are too young to know the law.
Okay guys listen to me please. Yes I am going to adopt. I can't exactly help someone who doesn't keep their child. Maybe it is a teenager or someone who just doesn't want to have kids. I'm sorry that you guys have not had good experiences with adoption. I really hope my children do not feel this way. I willnever keep my childs identity a secret. If they get older and would like to meet their biological parents i will most certaintly let them. you have said your opinion and i have said mine.
146insane thank you for commenting and thank you for understanding it for the reality that it is. Adoption is a highly emotive subject and inevitably leads to heated debates. Heat is a good thing if it makes us question and think!
Well I have said my peace. The video is a good discusion. I am done talking because it is just turning into a fight. I will adopt when I get older. I think it is a great thing. That is my opinion.
I was adopted as my natural mother was only 14. The greatest hurt is not knowing who you are and where you have come from. Even though you are loved, you still feel you don't really belong. Adopted children must be able to learn who their natural parents are. The notion of children as a commodity where anonymous sperm doners and surrogates are commonplace are wrong. Adoption should always be for the good of the child, not because someone feels entitled to own one. The consequenses are too great.
the thing is, most parents do see their adopted children the same way as their biological children it sucks that their biological parents couldn't keep them, the thing that is so great about adoption is they can be raised in a family instead of a group home or foster care. I think adoption is great and I plan to adopted kids.
Hiya thanks for taking time to respond. I agree wholeheartedly that it's better for a child to be raised in a family than in care but adoption removes a child's identity and replaces it with a fictitious one. For the child that can scream 'a lie is better than the truth of who they are'. You can love and care for a child without stripping away the core of who they are.
Oh I don't think at all you should strip away the identity. No that is why you make it perfectly clear of who that child is. I also think you should tell a child right from the beginning they are adopted. That is what I will do. And you make sure the child knows who its biological parents are. Never fake who a child is. BUt i don't think the child can not be who they are if they are not blood related to the people who they call mom and dad.
can i ask you a few things. Why are you going to adopt. Do you intend to keep the child's name the same, even if it's Humphrey Bogart and not have birth certificate replaced. Will you love and accept the family traits they will show, so obviously not your family traits. Also could you spend the 5 yrs you are going to wait studying all the research that has been done with regards to the effect adoption has on a child
I have always wanted to adopt. I would change the childs last name but never their first. I would change the last name because they would be part of my family they would be my child. I think if they had a different last name then rest of the family that would affect them. of course i would accept their inherited traits. That would just make them more of their own person and it would be great!
How do you mean always. You are only 19. Where is the "always" going back to? When you were 10? Get real mate. Go play with your toys mate and don't be a know it all.
Why does it matter how long i have wanted to adopt? It doesn't matter. And um you are not really included in this discussion because you make no sense and don't really even comment about the decision. So just stay out of it. Thankyou.
If you can't take the heat, get the heck out of the kitchen. You are an irresponsible know it all, and in fact your intolerance and temper make you totally inappropriate as candidate adoptive parent.
Who are you, to tell anybody what to do in here? This is not your video and "much2say1" allows anyone to comment on anything said and done here. Mind your manners and your ways young lady.
Hajhaj thanks for answering my questions. Changing a child's name means falsifying birth records and re writing history. It replaces fact with fiction, a bit like telling a child fiction is better than the truth of who you are. A birth certificate is confirmation of birth and who we are it is not a certificate of ownership to be passed on and altered to fit the needs of the new 'owner'.
my opinion is that a name does not make you who you are. My children will always know that i adopted them. If you were in a family where everyones name was Johnson and yours was Thatcher wouldn't you feel out of place. I don't think changing the last name is falsifying anything. The child will still be who they want to be. They will be part of a family instead of a group home. You can't stop people from giving kids up for adoption. In fact it is a much better alternitive than abortion.
Just what would you call taking an original birth record, locking it away and replacing it with a different one. You really do need to educate yourself in the practices of adoption. As an adoptee I find it insulting being classed as an alternative to abortion. Next you will be expecting me to be grateful for not being aborted! You really should not adopt.
I thought you were done here. You said it. What is this with you? Are you sick? Go to a bloody shrink and sort your problems out. This is the youtube, not a clinic for the mentally disturbed.
You are onl 19 and you plan to adopt? Strange mate. These days there are not too many available kids to adopt. Do you plan to buy one? I think you are adopted and you are trying to convince yourself that all is well. It ain't.
Im crying here your comment is hysterical. Arh shes not stealing the kids shes rescuing them from abortion! God love her just hope her adopted kids dont kill her you hear all sorts of tales of the ungrateful little bastards turning on their saviours haha
Is that comment to me exposing myself! I was taking the piss! she has said it is better than abortion by saying that she might as well of said we should be grateful we wern't w often do you hear none adoptees being told aaborted. Its the same mentality as those who still think of us as 'ungrateful little bastards'. Some of us may still have the word bastard on our birth certificate but worse than that some people still think like that.
It wouldnt enter her head to say to a non adoptee 'at least you werent aborted' . Its bad enough being adopted without being seen as an alternative to abortion.
Instead of spreading hate maybe you could find an organization and volunteer and make an effort to stop ILLEGAL adoptions worldwide.
Adoption can turn a bad situation into a good situation, why don't you take your bad situation and turn it into something good? Get back at the people who participated in your adoption by stopping others from doing the same thing.
rachaelandchris0506 4 months ago
Much2say1, I wish that you would think about what you have to say and realize that you are not the only adopted child in the world, you are not the only illegally adopted child in the world, and maybe you need to focus on ending ILLEGAL adoption, instead of spreading negative and incorrect messages about adoption. Adoption CAN be a positive thing, and MANY MANY people are happy about their adoptions (adoptees and adoptive parents alike).
rachaelandchris0506 4 months ago
In the US: Bioparents are given free counseling from the adoption agency and are given access to resources for grieving bioparents. Biomoms cannot be coerced or forced and no money can be exchanged in return for a child. US Agencies are 100% required to be nonprofit, and inspections are done regularly.
rachaelandchris0506 4 months ago
*Also in the US: Adoptive families have access to the ORIGINAL birth records! Before the adoption is finalized, adoptive parents can print forms online from their local Vital Records website, mail the forms in, and receive the original birth certificate with the bioparents' names on it. The adoption birth certificate with the adoptive parents' names is not available until after the adoption is final.
rachaelandchris0506 4 months ago
*Sad fact: Many adopted children are would-have-been aborted children. Justin Bieber was a child of rape. His biomother chose adoption. Other times, the biomom went into a free clinic for an abortion but for whatever reason, an abortion could not be performed (especially late-term). The only alternative for a family in poverty if an abortion cannot be performed is adoption.
rachaelandchris0506 4 months ago
* Bioparents in the US have the option of choosing adoptive parents who want an open adoption. Contact can be anything from email to phone calls to visits in person, as frequent or as infrequent as is comfortable.
rachaelandchris0506 4 months ago
* The only cause of a bioparent being forced to place for adoption is if the child has already been in foster care at least 5 YEARS (yes, the new legal minimum in most states--in other states it is 3). EVERY effort is made to reunite the foster child with some kind of safe relative--grandparent, aunt, etc. Bioparents are given many, many chances to become better parents, and the court is public.
rachaelandchris0506 4 months ago
*Adoptive parents undergo EXTENSIVE background checks for criminal record, child abuse record, even driver's license record is checked. They also undergo a physical and mental health exam, and their home is checked 3-5 times in person by a trained specialist for safety. Pets in the home are checked for health and safety.
A person who has qualified recently for adoption in the US has a VERY high chance of being mentally and physically able to care for a child.
rachaelandchris0506 4 months ago
I think the problem here is that half the commenters are from the UK and the other half are from the US. SO, to clear it up: In the *US*:
*Bio parents can pick the adoptive parents and meet them before the baby's birth
*Bio parents have the right to refuse, even 3 days or more after the birth, even after the baby is at the home of the adoptive parents, bio parents can change their minds.
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rachaelandchris0506 4 months ago
i was adopted in the 60,s i was told mum wont love you enless you behave or tell everyone what i was or i would be sent back to the babies home.no wonder my head is messed up.as a christian its ok to hurt but not to hate but this is no easy for us it take a lifetime...............jeff......48
petchharrison 1 year ago
It's not adoption that hurts, it's what causes adoption to be necessary and the fact that children who are not adopted are forced to spend years in a system only meant for temporary care. As an adopted child, I have no pain from my adoption it's self, my only pain is not knowing my heritage which is not a big deal. Not knowing what country my ancestors are from is much better than being raised by a convicted pedophile and a crack addict. I would much rather be adopted and SAFE.
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i'm adopted from Brasil to the netherlands and i have found my real parents but Though i love my real parents i love my adoptive parents even more you know why my real mom gave me life but my adoptive parents made my life and i'm the person who i am today because of them and not because my real mom i hope to visit my real father this year for the first time i'm so scared and nervouse but however it goes i will always be thankful that my mom made this decision
miszmaddo 2 years ago
I believe that different circumstances and personality types makes adoptees feel differently. I was adopted in a planned adoption at birth, without knowledge until after I had children. I love my parents and never knew the difference and was never treated differently. I now have an appreciation for my birth parents. However, I would never change a thing. I would not be who I am today without the love and support I have from both my mom and dad, the people who raised and supported me.
eryn2931 2 years ago
There are bad adoptions and good adoptions, and as long as the child is loved, then who cares whether they're related to their parents?
Really in truly some kids really want families and while no kid should be forced to be grateful EVERY SINGLE KID IN THE WORLD SHOULD BE GRATEFUL, ADOPTED OR BIOLOGICAL. Not because they were saved, but because they were loved, and I am extremely grateful to my mom, and she is grateful for me.
This is a stupid video. All children are beautiful miracles.
Kiljan137 2 years ago
Besides, how can you speak for everyone just because of your bad experience. You are the one making it harder on adoptees, honestly.
I plan to adopt one day, my one and only child, and I hope that I can raise her/him to not be as bitter as you and some other people are
Kiljan137 2 years ago
just out of interest kiljan137, are you adopted?
wishihadabettername 2 years ago
why?
Kiljan137 2 years ago
I'm just wondering what you're basing your claims on? you say this makes it harder for adoptees, are you speaking for all adoptees there? are you even an adoptee? you're doing precisely what you accuse this video of doing really.
if you find this point of view of adoption hard to deal with then I would suggest that you don't ever adopt.
wishihadabettername 2 years ago 3
I said there are bad adoptions and good adoptions. I'm saying this video is probably accurate for at least half of all adoptions, but not completely all of them.
Kiljan137 2 years ago
Who ever made this video should not put him/herself in the shoes of all adoptees and think they speak for them. You can only speak for yourself. My niece's 4 year old daughter was taken from her because her boyfriend molested her and she chose to stay with her boyfriend and give up up daughter. What kind of bio mom is that? The child was later adopted and I'm glad and I bet she is too.
mrsevans1000 2 years ago
amen, great video.
somnambul75 2 years ago
but to be where you are today...perhaps with clean clothes, birthday's celebrated with presents and cake, home cooked meals, etc...
COULDVE been more than you would have ever gotten if this never happened.
and shame on the parents who adopt if they do not go the extra mile to make sure that you live an amazing life.
Shkolnikoff 2 years ago
depending on the region, youre released at 12 or 16 if not adopted, with little to no assistance in living on your own. statistics show that released orphans are mutually useless to the country. nearly all of them become drug/alcohol abusers, prostitutes, criminals, or commit suicide.
parents lead as role models. they help set you up to lead your own life. imagine if nobody did that for you, where you would be.
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Shkolnikoff 2 years ago
this is very interesting to see it from the other point of view. I personally am about to do an international adoption. i wanted to share with you the statistics and why in some cases adoption really is a miracle.
youtube "russian adoption or siberian adoption". these kids are neglected nearly all day in their cribs....they eat fish heads for lunch...have holes in their socks...and live in buildings that resemble a prison.
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Shkolnikoff 2 years ago
thx lol and i have i went to a hospital for depression and shit and im now with my aunt and soon moving to my dad
sarrow101 2 years ago
i understand where your coming from
i am adoptied and i dont see the mericale
i kno many children have better lives but it hurts more than u thk
it wasnt the childs choice
i was putin a family where i suffered from abuse both being hit locked in rooms and metaly
it wasnt eassy it went on from 6 to 13 i am now 13 and still go threw it with my father
it hurts so much to kno my parents hated me so much they couldnt keep me
the most fucked part is my real aunt still has my real TWIN sister="""(
sarrow101 2 years ago 3
sarrow101 hiya, your parents not keeping you doesnt mean they hated you. I think nearly all adoptees have had times when they have thought that (I know I did!) No matter how much a parent loves their child sometimes circumstances make it impossible for them to stay together. Im sorry you were put in a rotten family. That family didnt hate you either they were just hateful people. Have you told any one about the abuse? If you havent please find some one to tell, continued below
much2say1 2 years ago
I know telling some one could mean yet another move into the unknown but trust me it will be a safer unknown. If you ever need to chat please let me know, I hate to think of you going through this alone. I might be a boring old english woman (well, not that old!) but I'm not too old to listen.
love tina x
much2say1 2 years ago
senragproject, you seem to guess alot. Guess work and assumption is hardly the basis for a valid argument. Every child deserves a loving caring home. Every child also deserves the right to have all birth records and legal ties intact and unaltered. Adoption permenantly severs legal family ties and alters birth records. You should be able to love and raise a child without altering and falsifying records. Also having family members who are adopted is not the same as being adopted.
much2say1 2 years ago
I'm adopted and I even believe in the fact that Adoption severing the ties between real families and adopted children is cruel. On the other hand though, I have been treated very well by my adoptive family. (Sometimes I do not see it as such) But still, I was deeply hurt when I found out I had two older sisters when I was 13. My biological brother (who is as tough as nails when it comes to this) was even scarred by the news. I am still disgusted to this day that I do not know my real father.
Creea101 2 years ago 2
You seem very bitter, I guess your adopted life did not go so well. Well, guess what? You don't have to be adopted to not have your life not go so well.. I wish the best for you... Stop blamming the rest of the world for your problems and get on with the rest of your life. Maybe you can adopt a child and make their life better than yours......My family has many adopted children within, cousins--aunts. Some of them even know their original family. They are happy people..
senragproject 3 years ago
Bitter, a favorite word of abusive people. Many mothers who surrendered their children are called that, just for saying how much it hurts and how cruelly and unjustly we were treated. We're fighting to abolish inhumane adoption laws. But no, we're always 'rare exceptions' (you wish!!). Most mothers don't even know if their children are dead or alive. You are thoughtless, arrogant, ignorant and unkind. Face your own faults. Learn some humility. You are not one to judge!
asynkronos 2 years ago
tell it like it is matey....2nd best is never good enough.....no one can erlise how it feels to be purchased like a dog and be gratefull for any scraps from the bio child uless they lived it...thank you masta oh thank you masta...your so kind
mrsndog 3 years ago 2
Tina,
Very truthful, fun, creative video. I wish you the best of luck in everything that you do.
Sammicsno 3 years ago
I am so sorry things didn't work out for you.
deslyn615 3 years ago
Hiya teacupgirrrl, Im an idiot sorry, If you click on my name on this site it should take you to my youtube home page. At the top where it says who and where im from it has a link there to adopting my indentity. You will find links to my other sites once you get there!
much2say1 3 years ago
Tina, what's the link to your site, I'd like to read more about all of this. I'm asking this with respect and sensitivity: do you feel adoption is ever the answer? This is all very thought provoking and I just hope that the dialog can continue but with people being respectful and sensitive to one another's personal feelings and/or experiences on this very important issue.
teacupgirrrl 3 years ago
Hi teacupgirrrl, It's great that you want to find out more and are willing to look at all sides. Adoption is a very emotive subject, there are no winners in adoption (except for the cash makers ect). The biggest thing (sometimes the hardest) to remember is that adopters, mothers nor adoptees are the enemy.
much2say1 3 years ago
Its not adoption Im against it is the adoption laws and practices. If new laws and reforms were to happen they couldn't exsist under the current term 'adoption' because people would still think in the terms of 'adoption'.
Children cant always live with their families and need a loving stable home somewhere whether it be short term or long term. They should be able to have that without losing all legal ties forever with their family.
much2say1 3 years ago
I have 3 sites and you are more than welcome to see them. It wont let me post link but if you google:
adoptingmyidentity
is mostly my personal story if you are easily offended then I would give it a miss because the language isnt always the queens!
adaptingmyidentity.
is adoption and the care system general in UK
adoptionpledge2unite.
is mainly illegal adoptions in Europe.
Look forward to your veiws (good or bad) you already have my respect.
tina x
much2say1 3 years ago
Hi, Tina, I did try and find your blogs but the problem is, well, I just recently got this stupid computer somebody gave it to me used and I am not good at all at manuvering and getting to what I'm looking for. I clicked where it says, "my adoption" but I did not get anything except your home page. The most I was able to read or see about you was the adorable pic. (Lord, what an awful cake, I would've cried too.LOL!) and the short paragraph next to your pic. continue on next post...
teacupgirrrl 3 years ago
U R a beautiful and precious person. You deserved a loving and healthy parent(s). I hope the rest of your life is overflowing in love. God bless you.
teacupgirrrl 3 years ago
tina, thanks for responding to me....i was directly quoting you when i implied you were "selfish" from when you called some poor soul "selfish" for having a positive adoption & for supporting adoption.
i'm sorry that you had a difficult start to the world - i also had a 'less than ideal' entry into the world - what i object to is the way you and your group are harrassing anyone like hajhaj1992 or anyone who disagrees with you or has had a different experience from yours. focus on positives.
swampboogiequeen 3 years ago
Hi, I dont have a group, I allow any one to comment. My replies to hajhaj1992 were my views. My main objection was her comment to abortion. I am a person not an alternative to an abortion. In the UK the majority of adoptions are forced adoptions through freeing orders obtained in closed courts. Our councils have adoption targets and insecentives.
much2say1 3 years ago
Our government doesnt even aknowledge the exsistence of adult adoptees (child adoptees fall of the earth I think when they reach 18, in their eyes). Different countries have different adoption laws and practices. I speak of UK practices. Kevin Rudd publicly apologised on behalf of himself and the Austrailian parliment for its generation of Lost children and the hurt and suffering done to its children and families
much2say1 3 years ago
Sorry dont make for instant serenity. what it does do though is allow some healing to start and give hope for the possibility of changes. The UK is a life time away from ever having a parliment that puts its children before its own self importance and its image to the rest of the world.
much2say1 3 years ago
i have so many mixed emotions here...i am adopted, and all though there good & bad sides to that, i find the video comes across like a brat having a hissy fit - there are worse things in life than being adopted.....however, i love the dolls & music.
swampboogiequeen 3 years ago
you should not put that on in puplic im adopted i took that personaly
soccerchic56911 3 years ago 2
the only ones who benefit from adoption are the adoptive parents. Thanks for making this video
kbsd123 3 years ago
Adoption is never a choice for a Natural mum.
She usually has no other choice.
It is not in her nature to give a child away- as the child has chosen her as the natural mother.
So, do not believe the brainwashing you are fed with.
catherinesara 3 years ago 2
Adoption is a wonderful and loving choice that a mother makes. As an adopted child, I am insulted by your video. My adopted and biological parents both loved me very much and gave me the best life I could have ever asked for. Adoption is a wonderful thing and is a loving choice by the biological parents.
bhowell1127 3 years ago
bhowell1127,sorry you are so easily insulted. Many adoption are done not only illegally but forcibly. The only way to prevent these practices is a complete reform. replacing adoption with a legal gaurdianship and all monies taken out of the equation would go some way in putting the child before the profiteers. Adoption may not have hurt you but it has hurt far too many. Your attitude is selfish. It worked for you so screw every one else. Oh how proud your parents must be.
much2say1 3 years ago
much2say1 - really?? keeping kids in legal guardianship - so what happened to you never happens to anyone again?? i think alot of kids would rather be adopted & have a firm extended family, your attitude is selfish - adoption didn't work for you, so screw everyone else...?? try to be objective
swampboogiequeen 3 years ago
What exactly is selfish about wanting to keep all original birth details unaltered and complete, if you have read my blog you will see that falsifying personal history is what I object to. The UK has special guardianship, which offers legal permanence for children without severing all legal ties and changing birth details. Is that so wrong. by the way I was a blackmarket baby so their was no failed adoption.
much2say1 3 years ago
I find it funny that you equate gratitude with selfishness. Obviously you're bitter about your own experience. Even if Bhowell is ignorant of some legal facts, it does not make their standpoint self centered. You, however, seem to have a lot of resentment towards the people on this board who have had a good experience.
blacklistadapted 3 years ago
@bhowell1127:this is really wonderful for you, congratulations, BUT eg my mother and her brother had no luck with their "new" parents and they had no choice to choose, no possibility to have contact to their real parents, no idea where to search. think about the right of children, we should strengthen families/ mothers and not assist destruction. it´s ok if somebody cares but there is no right to steal a persons identity.
TempelDesMogon 3 years ago
Bhowell, Mothers are fighting to keep their children, and the government is paying local authorities £2.5 million (Essex) to sell children. Mothers are fleeing the UK to protect their children.
The Council of Europe are being brought in! It's THAT bad!
The adoptees desperately want to find their birth parents. They should automatically be given full access to their birth parents/records.
Lets hear it for adoptee rights!
It's the voice of the child that should be listened to.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago 3
hi everyone. Thanks for taking the time to comment.MTV are about to make a fly on the wall documentry promoting adoption. They have already advertised for 3 woman who theycan film through pregnancy and eventual adoption. They want to coincide it with the ichoseadoption campaign. It will be an overall veiw on the joys of adoption. Please if you have the time could you email chuck at MTV and voice your opinions about the promotion and gloryfing of adoption. cheers tina
much2say1 3 years ago
much2say, posted it to MFJ.
What are the email links that we need/contact names to stop forced adoption.
We'll do a mail out to bombard MTV!!! :)
adoptive parent rights, by backside!!!
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
Hiya here is a link to my blog and article Its chuck johnson you need to email addy is on there. Il get together some links for you. I have been emailing EU parliment as well as usual uk idiots. back in a mo tina
much2say1 3 years ago
I'm a birth mother who was forced to have an adoption...then lied to when I CHOSE to KEEP MY baby (the lawyer lied as he was getting paid...). Adoption can be wonderful, but not when the birthmothers are forced & coerced into it. Thanks for making this video, as it shows adoption isn't always a Choice, and it can hurt everyone involved.
torbjorkette 3 years ago 2
Muchausens By Proxy Syndrome is something that the secret family court use to "prove" that a person ( almost always the mother) is a child abuser. It has been thoroughly discredited by bona fide medical boards, but that doesn't stop the secret family courts using it to steal children from good parents.
realzoomy 3 years ago
Thank you! It's a wondeful video. I'm sorry that it's sheer brilliance, was born from heartache, but just to say that it's one of my all time favourite videos.
We can feel your truth and integrity.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago 2
The forced adopton industry is just that - an industry.
There are thousands of children in the UK being STOLEN from loving parents, using MSBP as an excuse. It is pure evil.
realzoomy 3 years ago 3
Can you please tell me what MSBP is? I have never heard of it.
buriedalive17 3 years ago
On i final note
i think that all sides of the adoption triangle suffer un nessary hurt.
I really hope my daugher is ok as she can be and find away to cope with the horrific experiance!!
Great Video
libertyrights 3 years ago
it is just a pitty that some people are single minded.
Oh and there are children in Care who do not get adopted for many reasons.
The children in care that are deemed to me no adoptable need a thought.
libertyrights 3 years ago
The only time adoption should come into play is when the child as been battered. The reasons should always be proven before any child is perminently removed.
I agree the people wanted to adopt are selfish in lots of cases but i also think there are alot of caring people out there
libertyrights 3 years ago
I have had a child stolen from me, I was not given a choice. Adoption should be a last option if all else fails.
The only other time adoption should come into play is where say family members leave in someway like death and have no living relative to take care of the children.
libertyrights 3 years ago 3
watch?v=aXuVBbAEqvQ
True story
We agree - Adoption hurts.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
Tina, It seems to me that your parents (read that to be your adoptive parents) were pretty screwed up if they talked about your birthmom as portrayed in your video. Please know that they are not the norm. We also adopted through an open, domestic adoption. Our daughter is 12 now. We've met with her mom and dad several times over the years but they have pulled back over time. Fortunately, before she was old enough to really understand. She is so loved and no, we don't dress alike. Yuck!
jerigee 4 years ago
Hi, Thanks for taking the time to reply. Your right my adoption (illegal)is not the norm and I only wish there were more adoptive parents like you. Your openness with your daughter will allow her to discuss any confused feeling she might ever have. It must be hard to be so open when obviously you want to protect your child from any possible hurt. I must admit I was exaggerating with the dressing the same seeing my mum in a brownie uniform would have been too much haha. Thanks again Tina
much2say1 4 years ago
Yes the biological parents DO pick the families. I did mention that adoption is a great alternative to abortion.
I need to ask, what happened that made you guys so against adoption? Do your parents know how you feel?
hajhaj1992 4 years ago
hajhaj, good luck in your decision to adopt. I was adopted and am extremely grateful to my biological mom for her unselfish decision. She was 16. It is unimaginably hard for a mother to give up her child after it is born. But she did. I am equally grateful to my adoptive parents who I will always see as my true parents. The video may describe some adoptive parents but completely misrepresents mine and others i know of. Although i may suffer at times, i wouldn't change a thing.
blacklistadapted 3 years ago
It would be best to give up any children you have. It would be selfish of you to subject them to a self-centered, hostile bio-parent. Remember there's always someone better than you. Heredity means nothing. Many rich people want to adopt. You know how important THAT is for children. They need lots of money and stuff and social status to be truly happy. Let them chain your children with guilt and suffocate their spirits. If you really love them, give them up. They'll be grateful.
asynkronos 2 years ago
Also open adoption is always an option. I would be perfectly willing to do that and I actually believe that would be better and if the biological parents give me that option it is what i will do.
hajhaj1992 4 years ago
I thought you were done here. Are you ill? The biological parents do not have a say if the adoption is closed or open. Go play with your toys. I think I will notify every State in the US... never... never... never... let you adopt anything.
MariannaZF 4 years ago 3
Im sorry i didn't know i was talking to god, i didn't realize you had that much power. Just to let you know, the biological parents PICK the family they want and if they want an open adoption they find a family willing to do that.
hajhaj1992 4 years ago
If you are unable to understand this was a figure of speech, then you are really troubled. Biological families are not afforded a choice dear. I guess you are too young to know the law.
MariannaZF 4 years ago 3
Okay guys listen to me please. Yes I am going to adopt. I can't exactly help someone who doesn't keep their child. Maybe it is a teenager or someone who just doesn't want to have kids. I'm sorry that you guys have not had good experiences with adoption. I really hope my children do not feel this way. I willnever keep my childs identity a secret. If they get older and would like to meet their biological parents i will most certaintly let them. you have said your opinion and i have said mine.
hajhaj1992 4 years ago
MariannaZF. As a fellow adoptee your opinions and views are welcome and valid.
love tina
much2say1 4 years ago
Thanks Tina, some people are really twisted.
MariannaZF 4 years ago
146insane thank you for commenting and thank you for understanding it for the reality that it is. Adoption is a highly emotive subject and inevitably leads to heated debates. Heat is a good thing if it makes us question and think!
tina
much2say1 4 years ago
Well I have said my peace. The video is a good discusion. I am done talking because it is just turning into a fight. I will adopt when I get older. I think it is a great thing. That is my opinion.
hajhaj1992 4 years ago
We are so glad now.
MariannaZF 4 years ago
I like your video. It portays the situation in real terms. Thank you.
146insane 4 years ago 2
I was adopted as my natural mother was only 14. The greatest hurt is not knowing who you are and where you have come from. Even though you are loved, you still feel you don't really belong. Adopted children must be able to learn who their natural parents are. The notion of children as a commodity where anonymous sperm doners and surrogates are commonplace are wrong. Adoption should always be for the good of the child, not because someone feels entitled to own one. The consequenses are too great.
chickwithvision 4 years ago 3
Very well said.
SuperPais 4 years ago
the thing is, most parents do see their adopted children the same way as their biological children it sucks that their biological parents couldn't keep them, the thing that is so great about adoption is they can be raised in a family instead of a group home or foster care. I think adoption is great and I plan to adopted kids.
hajhaj1992 4 years ago
Hiya thanks for taking time to respond. I agree wholeheartedly that it's better for a child to be raised in a family than in care but adoption removes a child's identity and replaces it with a fictitious one. For the child that can scream 'a lie is better than the truth of who they are'. You can love and care for a child without stripping away the core of who they are.
tina
much2say1 4 years ago
Oh I don't think at all you should strip away the identity. No that is why you make it perfectly clear of who that child is. I also think you should tell a child right from the beginning they are adopted. That is what I will do. And you make sure the child knows who its biological parents are. Never fake who a child is. BUt i don't think the child can not be who they are if they are not blood related to the people who they call mom and dad.
hajhaj1992 4 years ago
can i ask you a few things. Why are you going to adopt. Do you intend to keep the child's name the same, even if it's Humphrey Bogart and not have birth certificate replaced. Will you love and accept the family traits they will show, so obviously not your family traits. Also could you spend the 5 yrs you are going to wait studying all the research that has been done with regards to the effect adoption has on a child
much2say1 4 years ago
I have always wanted to adopt. I would change the childs last name but never their first. I would change the last name because they would be part of my family they would be my child. I think if they had a different last name then rest of the family that would affect them. of course i would accept their inherited traits. That would just make them more of their own person and it would be great!
hajhaj1992 4 years ago
How do you mean always. You are only 19. Where is the "always" going back to? When you were 10? Get real mate. Go play with your toys mate and don't be a know it all.
MariannaZF 4 years ago 2
Why does it matter how long i have wanted to adopt? It doesn't matter. And um you are not really included in this discussion because you make no sense and don't really even comment about the decision. So just stay out of it. Thankyou.
hajhaj1992 4 years ago
If you can't take the heat, get the heck out of the kitchen. You are an irresponsible know it all, and in fact your intolerance and temper make you totally inappropriate as candidate adoptive parent.
MariannaZF 4 years ago 2
Who are you, to tell anybody what to do in here? This is not your video and "much2say1" allows anyone to comment on anything said and done here. Mind your manners and your ways young lady.
146insane 4 years ago 2
Hajhaj thanks for answering my questions. Changing a child's name means falsifying birth records and re writing history. It replaces fact with fiction, a bit like telling a child fiction is better than the truth of who you are. A birth certificate is confirmation of birth and who we are it is not a certificate of ownership to be passed on and altered to fit the needs of the new 'owner'.
tina
much2say1 4 years ago
my opinion is that a name does not make you who you are. My children will always know that i adopted them. If you were in a family where everyones name was Johnson and yours was Thatcher wouldn't you feel out of place. I don't think changing the last name is falsifying anything. The child will still be who they want to be. They will be part of a family instead of a group home. You can't stop people from giving kids up for adoption. In fact it is a much better alternitive than abortion.
hajhaj1992 4 years ago
Just what would you call taking an original birth record, locking it away and replacing it with a different one. You really do need to educate yourself in the practices of adoption. As an adoptee I find it insulting being classed as an alternative to abortion. Next you will be expecting me to be grateful for not being aborted! You really should not adopt.
tina
much2say1 4 years ago
I thought you were done here. You said it. What is this with you? Are you sick? Go to a bloody shrink and sort your problems out. This is the youtube, not a clinic for the mentally disturbed.
MariannaZF 4 years ago
hajhaj1992 "I have always wanted to adopt."
So, is not about the kids. Is about you, you, and you.
SuperPais 4 years ago 2
"SuperPais" you know its always been like that with most people who want to adopt. They only think of themselves.
MariannaZF 4 years ago 2
Don't bother talking to her.
146insane 4 years ago 2
You are onl 19 and you plan to adopt? Strange mate. These days there are not too many available kids to adopt. Do you plan to buy one? I think you are adopted and you are trying to convince yourself that all is well. It ain't.
MariannaZF 4 years ago 3
No I am not adopted. I also don't plan on adopting for a while. Like 5 years.
hajhaj1992 4 years ago
But you are only 19 now. How can you think of adoption even in 5 years time? What are you thinking?
MariannaZF 4 years ago 3
I think, shes not thinking. Or, only thinking about "her", "her", and "her.
SuperPais 4 years ago 2
hajhaj1992 " it sucks that their biological parents couldn't keep them "
If REAL parents couldn keep them, why
dont u help them ? Why instead of helping them, you want to put them even lower, even bad , by stealing their kids ?
SuperPais 4 years ago 2
Im crying here your comment is hysterical. Arh shes not stealing the kids shes rescuing them from abortion! God love her just hope her adopted kids dont kill her you hear all sorts of tales of the ungrateful little bastards turning on their saviours haha
much2say1 4 years ago
hajhaj1992 "I have always wanted to adopt."
hajhaj1992 " it sucks that their biological parents couldn't keep them "
much2say1 "shes not stealing the kids shes rescuing them from abortion!"
She never talks about "abortion". So, I think ur comment is hysterical.
Ohhh, YOu just exposed yourself when you talked about kids, as "little bastards ", and thinking that kids are "klling" people.
SuperPais 4 years ago 3
Is that comment to me exposing myself! I was taking the piss! she has said it is better than abortion by saying that she might as well of said we should be grateful we wern't w often do you hear none adoptees being told aaborted. Its the same mentality as those who still think of us as 'ungrateful little bastards'. Some of us may still have the word bastard on our birth certificate but worse than that some people still think like that.
much2say1 4 years ago
It wouldnt enter her head to say to a non adoptee 'at least you werent aborted' . Its bad enough being adopted without being seen as an alternative to abortion.
much2say1 4 years ago
Very imaginative video. Well you are absolutely right, no-one can be grateful, for something thay had no choise. Bravo Tina. A+
MariannaZF 4 years ago 3