In October 04, FAA issued document known as a "Series 900" GAG order, to all current and former FAA employees demanding that they refrain from discussing any issue related to the September 11th attacks.
Current and former FAA employees are banned by the "Series 900" from discussing 9/11 even with their own families. The document threatens current FAA employees with firings and current and former FAA employees with cancelation of pensions.
I love him. You know, it's such a bad thing - there are so many wonderful geniuses & good people in America - I mean I really hate America, b/c it had done really wrong to me & my people for decades, & I want it out from controlling the world & making distaters all over. At the same time, I feel bad for these people. Sometimes it hard to distiguish the people from the land when u hate.I really don't want them to suffer. I hope they can create a better land that represents them in the right way.
boring old man .....he is talking to much but doing nothing. if CIA invited al q.. proof it and it will be the end of CIA - one problem will be resolved
Chomsky probably knows that US government allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen. But since he doesn't have ironclad proof, saying this would cost him his academic reputation. That's why he isn't going to say what he knows is true.
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Since the govt. committed 9/11, why arent truthers demanding the release of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who is on trial for his life for a crime truthers claim he did not commit?
If there was no flight 93, please explain how 95% of the plane debris was recovered?
If there was no flight 77, please explain how 130+ witnesses reported seeing a plane?
9/11 was an inside job by the CIA. Let me help you see the whole picture.
The airplanes were used as missiles by Islamic extremists who had a genuine hatred of America. They were recruited by Al Queda, which has been infiltrated by the CIA since its inception. That's why reporters in 1999 walked right into bin Laden's hideout for a story but our government 'couldn't find him.'
Detonators were installed in WTC's core columns to take down the buildings. The NORAD air defense system was down.
Most 9/11 truthers gladly answer those questions. We know Islamic extremists highjacked the planes and crashed them into buildings--Al Queda is a CIA arm. You didn't know that? What you need to ask yourself is why building 7, not hit by a plane, collapsed to dust in a manner consistent with a controlled demolition several hours after the planes hit. Also why was the government so quick to remove the WTC debris without analyzing it forensically. THEY DID NOT DO SO.
The Taliban was weaponized, funded and trained by the CIA in Afghanistan in 1979 to keep out the Soviets. Al Q is an offshoot of that warlord movement. Osama bin Laden was one of the most influential figures there. So are you saying the CIA just quit that relationship and didn't continue counterintelligence with spies? And I bet you think the American hikers in Iran weren't spies, just out for a nice hike. Bush and bin Laden families go way back. Mainstream news again.
The Taliban was weaponized, funded and trained by the CIA in Afghanistan in 1979 to keep out the Soviets. Al Q is an offshoot of that warlord movement. Osama bin Laden was one of the most influential figures there. So are you saying the CIA just quit that relationship and didn't continue counterintelligence with spies? And I bet you think the American hikers in Iran weren't spies, just out for a nice hike. Bush and bin Laden families go way back. Mainstream news again.
Larry Silverstein, WTC owner, say the decision was made to pull building 7. Generally that term means to demolish a structure, and the explosives could not be placed in a few hours they would need to be preplanted. The building was pulverized to dust primarily. Silverstein later backed off and said pull meant get the firefighters out, but no firefighters were in the building for the reason you mentioned: the big fire inside. A big fire doesn't cause on office building to pulverize to dust.
Silverstein, a rabid Israeli Zionist who probably supports Neoconservative militarism by the US in the Middle East, took out an insurance policy on the buildings only a few months before they fell and got a 99% return on his investment, getting double paid after arguing that two buildings entitled him to double compensation on towers that were loaded with asbestos and empty offices.
And then how about the first responders? 'America's heroes' were treated like dirt by the government you defend.
Just a few problems with your scenarios gullible troll: SILVERSTEIN LOST MONEY ON 911!
Also, asbestos fireproofing was only used up to the thirty-eighth floor of the first WTC tower and not at all in the second. Continuing asbestos hysteria eventually resulted in much of the asbestos eventually being ripped out of the first tower.
@ctcole77 Muslim nations skipped the ScientificRevolution of the 1700`s and did not have an IndustrialEra so they must buy evrything from fridge/stove,computers,cars,weapons,medicine from Western nations and also ALL Middle-East nations import %75 of their food ,so they are easily controlled by the Allies with sanctions,and the buying of dictators who keep the people tribal and ignorant with the punishments of Islam while Allies loot the oil.Its their own stupidity to blame.
@MrWakethesheeple Did you read the NIST report? Why not read the wikipedia article on WTC7? It is clear and known why WTC 7 came down. Why not do some deeper research? Even though it was severely damaged because of falling debris from the North Towers collapse and firefighters noticed a bulge and also noted the building was creaking, the fires fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse. Not a controlled demolition. You need to dig deeper
@MrWakethesheeple Most everything that you are asking can be explained by logical, documented reasons that do not involve a conspiracy that is impossible to prove to any well researched person, let alone a court of law. The real issues are with how 911 was used as a pretext to start two illegal wars and the real issues are mostly with bad US foreign policy, bad norad response and code, faulty building code and inadequate airport code. What you're trying to prove is waste of breath and energy.
What you're trying to prove isnt logical ...its a joke ! EG : that the usa just had .. a BAD norad response and code , a faulty building code, inadequeate airport codes and last (but not least) the USA had a BAD US foreign policy lol Tsk tsk so many BAD & inadequate services in the USA How can one of the richest countries in the world (a superpower!) have had such 3rd world standards in national security, building codes etc in 2001?? ....Answer ? It didnt ! ITS NOT LOGICAL
@ZEITGEISTism I'm not trying to prove anything. The answers are clear and out there. You're the one who has to prove things and you can't. It's not logical to you, because you obviously haven't really looked deep enough in to it and all the problems associated with it. You've named yourself after Zeitgesit, so that is a clear indication of your lack of research. Why not look at the other side of things?
@ZEITGEISTism You have great faith in the competence of people, I don't. People make the silliest of mistakes and are very incompetent, greedy, stupid, lack foresight and we do not look much to the future. Most building code is MADE because people have died or got hurt, not because we are responsible and care for the future. The current state of our planet shows this fact.You need to stop researching from assumption and start using what is known fact. Go watch Zeitgeist DEBUNKED.
you gentiles are Pathetic Always take some jew and make him god or Messiah just like the jesus and kerl marx and know this noam chomsky did you ever wondering why is this all your biggst gods and messiah and your intellectuals from right and left are jewish and you wonder how we the jews call are self the chosen people dont diss this
comment in 100 yreas from know your kids will things that holly histroy just like your Fathers Though't even the arebs belive in a jewish idea of god
@onewolfseye at least they are as guilty of it as any arabian state is, yes. So in a sense they fabricated it themself. I actually think it is a wonder that so FEW terrorist attacks hit.
hmm lying intellectuals. He is not one of them though. He knows the truth. He is a good guy. It is these other intellectuals that are the liars. LOL! And they are not indoctrinated but the US is. But the US isa very free and open society and the records are easy to find. hmm. What does not fit well into his theory?
@onewolfseye If he did think americans were behind it, then this whole conversation he made here is moot. His whole 9 minute conversation here is saying the U.S. government did cause 9/11, just indirectly. Its much easier to make enemies with someone rather than make them up to pretend they hate us so we can justify going to war with them. Then above all that masterfully cover it all up. Listen to him again please, cause you completely missed his point.
Everything Chomsky says here is true, but he is missing the religious element to "why they hate us". Not only are the Americans supporting Israel, but they are secularists, atheists, followers of false religions or Gods. So there is a Crusader element to them as well. Best thing we can do is demand Israel complies with UN resolutions, remove our bases from Saudi Arabia, and condemn the religious aspect of their as irrational, and fight religious extremism if necessary.
Chomsky is always interesting to listen to but he views the world through one lens. Western Civilization is the worst thing to ever happen to the world. He starts from there and proceeds. The U.S. did not support the gasing of the Kurdish people. The no fly zone is what kept millions of kurdish people alive after the first Iraq war. Also, he's not a truther despite this vid's misleading title. He thinks you're all as batshit stupid as the rest of us.
@hunterstl you could not be more wrong. interest free loans doubled to iraq from the usa a year after the gassing. and the us got around international law that prohibits selling weapons to countries like iraq. instead the chemicals and gas were sold as dual purpose equipment (agriculture equipment lol) secondly turkey guilty of worst crimes against the kurds recieved more weapons in one year then all the weapons they recieved from the usa during entire cold war. check ur facts
@hunterstl google turkish atrocities against the kurds, and american military support for turkey in the 90s.this happened all after the first iraq war so please, ridiculous to say the usa protected the kurds. look up the true facts not paranoid facts before you offer me a rebuttal. and try some pepper with ur crow
@hunterstlThe southeast of Turkey is a predominantly Kurdish region, which has witnessed a three-decade long armed ethnic conflict between the Turkish military and Kurdish separatists. The separatists have been fighting for the region’s independence from Turkey since the early 1980s, although now they claim they would accept basic cultural and political rights. According to many sources, the conflict has claimed more than 30,000 lives, most of them Kurds.
@maxfedor1 Someone is mad. U mad? Christ, this is why I say withdraw all American troops from everywhere. Screw the Kurds in northern Iraq, the troops we have keeping a peace in Kossovo, the troops we have in S. Korea keeping the peace, our presence in the south china sea defending the interests of non Chinese countries. You guys can have at it. Bring all troops home. Those special forces guys training East Africans how to fight Al queda. Bring them home.You are not worth it.
@hunterstl; Oh, come on. Saying things like "Screw the Kurds" is the same as saying "let them die", which is the opposite of humanism. Sure, we could have made that decision, by saying "its tragic, but there is nothing we can do". But to say "screw them", thats siding with Saddam Hussein, thats siding with genocide.
@MarioBrosClassic: I'm not saying it was a good idea. I dont know why Iraq was chosen. But even those who disagree with the decision to invade Iraq should not say something like "screw that Kurds". Thats not humanism, that is apathy.
@hunterstl "Western Civilization is the worst thing to ever happen to the world." Provide one source that shows Chomsky unambiguously stating this exact proposition.
Live life people. The world is a fucked up place. Just be the best person you can be and hopefully this world can survive long enough for our grandchildren's grandchildren to have a crack at this great experience we call life. That's if America will stop pissing people off... lol
@all. The truth of the matter is the goverments official story is inconsistent with the facts. To take other facts, such as the Bush Administration and many other government bodies exploited the attacks of 9/11 for political purposes , policy makers and government officials profited from 9/11, and the given history of relationship between these same people and their middle eastern creates a climate for great speculation.
Degrees in any curriculum or hours of online research won't give you truth.
WTC buildings were pre-manufactured, with controlled demolision, in mind. As to how many people need to be involved in arming them with explosives ? Well, given a years time, about 10 workers should do, they could be setting up ventilation electric transformers, without even knowing what the devices were. Remoted, with no cables. The amount of ppl needed to blow the buildings internally, can be surprisingly low, and of unknown origin, and unrelated to politics.
Also there's a huge difference between keeping a military project to design a weapon a secret and a conspiracy to murder 3000 of your own countrymen a secret. That's not even taking into account that people where much more obiedient and loyal to the gov't in the 40s than it is now and the gov't had much more control over the media then.
Let's run down some actual answers for why WTC7 was destroyed by the govt
-to get insurance money (because the gov't has such a small budget)
-Just because they felt like it (they did it for the lulz)
-To destroy the paperwork (because when I plan mass murder I leave the evidence next door)
and dumbest of all
-to make us question the 9/11 truth movement (they blew it up because so they left a gaping hole in an otherwise perfect plan for the conspiracists to discover. that is beyond stupid)
@majordbag2 Seems to me that you are just trying to win the argument so dunno if it's wise to continue but let me say this to conclude. Steel-buildings won't collapse and pulverize in that manner, even if they are hit by a plane full of jet-fuel. And your logic says that if I don't know the whole conspiracy and show the government documents to prove the demolitions and Pentagon missile, they never happened. You're studying Law, right? :)
@jaska05 No but I am studying gov't, especially the US gov't and anyone with a modicum of knowledge on how it works will say it's practically impossible to keep something like this under wraps. I'll concede that the steel is a strong point of but doesn't make up for the fallacies and flat out contradictions that are within it
The only way for the conspiracy to work is with a massive, global conspiracy among all gov'ts to keep this a secret but then why bother blowing up WTC in first place?
@jaska05 Actually compared to countries like China (namely the PRC) and the former USSR the US is a very open society; people can directly watch their government work on TV and if people actually bothered to organize themselves it would be quite a simple process to change the government. Granted there is censorship and corporate interests behind the scenes but there is little to prevent a serious change in government outside of the general publics laziness
@majordbag2 You really think your government is in charge? :D JFK thought he could do something to make a change and what happened to him. Look, you have to investigate outside the corrupted academics and mainstream media propaganda that only support the status quo and ignorance. And yes, Russia is more open society than US not matter how unbelievable this might sound. They are not as gullible and conceited as Americans (or Finns). " Serious people like Wall Street Journal..." Chomsky. LOL!
@jaska05 What is with this obsession with JFK. He really didn't do very much during his administration outside a few token guestures and in some ways he reinforced the imperial presidency.
Everyone likes to pretend that JFK was going to be this great awesome leader where in reality he really was just a typical 50's democrat. I think the only reason people have such a reverence for him is the fact that he was very popular with the public and by dying he became sort of like a christ figure.
@911reset If you take into account how gov't is fragmented, with lots competition between gov't different agencies, such as the CIA, FBI, NYPD, NSA, there's plenty of cross checking, that means to keep a conspiracy secret requires control of thosands, if not tens of thousands, of people in multiple agencies. Watergate couldn't be covered up and it only involved about a dozen men.
Is it possible that this conspiracy managed to keep the thousands of in line but so is winning the lottery.
It is possible to keep thousands or even millions in line. E.g. army, religions, etc.
Please explain e.g. WTC7. You have to be an idiot to believe the official story. Some of these officials have gone so far that they even say that there was no WTC7 or it didn't collapse. :D
@jaska05 You're mixing up making people obey a higher authority with force, with keeping a secret. it's absurd to think that there could be a conspiracy and after almost 10 years not a single gov't document supporting it has been leaked.
And don't get me started on building 7, I've asked truthers why they set charges in a building they never had a plane crash into and all explanations have been retarded, building 7 is the greatest weakness of the 9/11 truth movement.
@hornetobiker Again even if only part of the govt was involved it would have required at least hundreds of participants, probably thousands, in a wide number agencies ranging from military, police, aviation monitors, and civil engineers to pull this off and cover it up.
Do you honestly think they could pull this off but couldn't keep watergate a secret and that was with only 8 people in one organization?
We didn't keep the Mahanttan project a secret, the Russians found out with spies.
Anybody who has really looked into the evidence on 911 and has not taken the ludicrous official story for granted like Chomsky here can tell it was an inside job. Chomsky is logical, yet delusional.
@jaska05 And what sort of credibility can you provide when calling a renowned intellectual such as Chomsky "delusional"? I love hearing people on youtube claiming THEY know the truth about 9/11 when really all they are doing is citing impractical and nonsensical conspiracy theories that have been thrown around the web. Anyone who truly knows how the international political system works, can conclude that it was NOT a conspiracy.
@zep144 "Anyone who truly knows how the international political system works..." And you think you do know?! I dare you and Chomsky to look into the evidence, e.g. WTC7, before making your academically convenient statements. Your "renowed intellectual" is just ignorant no matter how intelligent he is. He is just arrogantly defending his own worldview and not bothering to take his head out of his own behind. I bet you believe also that Mr Obama is the man in charge, not unlike Baby Bush was. :D
@jaska05 As a Masters student in International relations, yes I do think I know roughly how the international political system works. Or at least, I know how to look deeper than the thoughtless argument of "Bush knocked the towers down". And of course Obama does not hold as much power as most people believe, but to suggest that a government would deliberately attack and kill 3000 of its own people is ridiculous and is an argument that is filled with holes. Try thinking outside the box for once.
@zep144 Ok, you are just trolling here. But if you were serious, you just proved again how stupid academically educated people can be. Thanks! I have an MBA in Economics but I was wise or lucky enough to get out of that "inside the box" thinking or mind-control you seem to be so proud of. I noticed you are fairly young so you still have hope. Greetings from the "best country in the world" and good night. :D
American government is the most corrupted, i still believe that americans did it what evidence tht osama did it, they never actually did it look at american secret services these people have been making deals with the likes of taleban and alqaeda for years
jealous of our freedoms is so stupid...they want to live and govern their countries the way they want...people who we cant identify have their hand up the presidents/congress' ass for resources and corporate expansion annd those people have a jewish hand up their ass in favor of the protection of israel and also for money..they have ripped the mid east apart for these purposes its pretty obvious..
but ive come to realize even if the governemnt had nothing to do with 9/11 they are still 100% responsible for it because of the evil decisions they have made in the past..
I can agree to that statement completely. Too many people have fallen for the "they're just evil" idea and it's pretty stupid if you know anything about the history of US foreign policy. I wasn't there on 9/11 so I don't claim to know what happened, but I do believe the inside job thing is a possibility, but just that. Either way, the event SHOULD have been a wake up call.
" There is a category of people called intellectuals. Their task is to make up fabrications that protect power and divert attention from what's obvious." Well at least he told us in the beginning of his talk that that is what he is doing on this subject.
Took Chomsky a couple years to come around on the subject of 9/11. Finally a purely logical and barely criminal version.He is my favorite human next to Greg Graffin.
Conspiracy theories are a big distraction that keeps us from addressing real issues because it fragments people and it makes people feel helpless. I know building 7 could not fall on its own, that's obvious. But I don't bring it up because it's only another way to separate myself from others. We need to work on COMMON goals. Not gay marriage, 911 truth, assault rifle rights (guns are ok), etc. Just say no to wedge tactics!
@tstruss912 Yes regardless of whether or not our government was "in" on it, we should still be upset at our government for the way they raped the resources of countries around the world, killed or removed democratically elected officials, and let nations impoverished...go read books like "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" instead of watching alex jones..READ A BOOK there is much more to be angry at our government for..
Chomsky denies the agenda for full spectrum dominance, denies the Revolution in Military Affairs, and denies all the calls for a "New Pearl Harbor" in the 1990s. Chomksy is rendered uttery irrelevant here: outlawjournalism com/forum/viewtopic php?t=5691
Muslims know crap. I live in Saudi Arabia... they know absolutely nothing here. The local media is an absolute joke. They just hate Jews. Plain and simple. The whole problem with Israel is 100% caused by Arab/Muslim racism. The US has done much more for peace in the Middle East than any Arab country has. Remember the whole reason that there isn't peace in the first place is because of Arabs. They started the war in 1948.
We've done what for peace in the Middle East? Oust a democratically elected president from Iran in favor of the Shah in 1954(?), sell arms in the 80s to a then unstable iran in order to fund "freedom fighters" in Nicaragua (another country we screwed over) while simulateously giving Israel millions of dollars a day to fund weapons programs and continue their invasion into palestinian territory, start two major wars in the last 10 years, need I go on?
@227Morgan go on all you like the fact remains that the United States has a better record when it comes to working for peace in this region than any Arab country. The Arab countries initiated the war in 1948. They created the Palestinian refugee crisis. If they would divorce themselves from terrorism and those that support it- and cease the insane and racist rhetoric that calls for the destruction of Israel, we could move forward. But apparently that's asking for too much.
As Chomsky himself said "if you want to fight terrorism, convince our government to stop participating in it." Let's see; we support Israel with all the money it needs to sustain it's invasion of palestian territory (and they are invading it) and we buy billions of dollars of oil from Saudi Arabia: the country supplying the majority of terrorists, training camps, and explosives to the Iraqi front, and
Independent Scientists who tested samples of WTC dust found evidence of high-tech explosives. Read the peer review paper by Chemist Neils Harrit and Physicist Stephen Jones.
To date the Government has never performed chemical testing of evidence for explosives! This is in direction violation of NFPA 921 Fire Investigation Protocol!
Why would anyone believe debunkers who say "No explosives" when they don't have ANY scientific basis for their claims??? The government never tested for them!
All you people are idiots- its unbelieveable. Noam Chomsky is right and unlike any of the people of believe 911 was a inside job (obviously so intensely), he's read thoroughly on history & current times.
Our government promotes hatred because hatred fuels war. People who use racial slurs don't care whether there are valid reasons or not, they're determined to hate because it gives them the excuse to go to other countries and kill people there. Our atrocities in Moslem countries make us no better than the crimes Moslems may be guilty of.
The CIA's 9/11 Psy-Op Pwns Noam Chomsky, he is forced into a political situation where he can't take a stance on 9/11 it (yet) because it will discredit all his other great research into CIA corruption, drug dealing, murder, and everything else that he's exposed over the years about the Government.
Not the Government... The Banksters, Globalists, and intelligence networks that orchestrated 9/11 own Noam Chomsky, with a tactic called "BIG LIE"... Two 3-letter words!
So, Chomsky, US has excellent security, nothing to worry about, but there is nothing suspicious about 9/11? He's smart enough to know better - the government owns this guy. What a hypocrite.
There is always evidence to "prove" either side of any debate. In some cases one side clearly holds an advantage, other times the line is gray. To your question, major claims include the collapse of building 7 without structural damage, free-fall speed of collapse (physically impossible if you go by 9/11 commission), eye-witness claims of hearing explosions, steel girders cut at 45 degree angles, and I'm sure many other things.
Yeah I am aware of all that but it can't be defined as "proof" at all. Proof is 100% solid, these are just theories based on observations and shaky evidence. Wouldn't hold up in court.
@227Morgan WTC7 had massive structural damage, none of the buildings fell at free fall speed, people heard sounds that they compared to explosions but nobody heard actual explosions from a controlled demolition, girders were cut by clean up workers after the building collapsed.
You can't keep citing the same idiotic garbage that has been proven false and expect to be taken seriously.
I believe, but it remains speculation, to the rest of the middle east, and the most socially backward, at least from a western perspective. You have to be aware that both parties in this despute (I'm mainly referring to Israel in this instance since that's where you seem to have put your focus) are in the wrong. Israel sustains huge weapons programs, cuts supply lines to gaza and continues to build walls outside of the terroritory defined as the Israeli state.
Palestinians and other arab nations continually retaliate to this both verbally and physically, adding fuel to the fire.
In reference to your 9/11 comments. I never said I supported the ideas from my post I simply stated that there are those who believe in said ideas. That's why I said "what the thinker thinks, the prover proves". Your internal thinker obviously believes that the events of 9/11 couldn't have been anything besides a terrorists attack.
Following this idea, your internal prover sets out to find only the information which supports your constructed reality tunnel. I honestly admit I don't know all the facts about 9/11, but saying that there is legitamite, 100% irrefutable "proof" that it was a terrorist attack is just as blatantly ignorant as saying there is "proof" it was an inside job.
@227 I agree the US, in funneling money to Saudi Arabia, has done some harm to the region. I never said they were perfect. This doesn't make me wrong. I still see their support of Israel as a good thing. It's not my "internal thinker" that says 9/11 was a terrorist attack. It's the mountains of evidence that support this that says so. I think asking questions is a great thing, but reserve the right to tell anyone to shut up when they ask the same dumb questions that have been answered 100 times.
Glad u see the harm in support for Saudi Arabia, but that's more clear cut. u make the claim that supporting Israel is a "good thing" but u make no effort to explain why. Why is it good to have a foreign supported regional superpower which is hated by the rest of the area? Of course there is evidence to support the terrorist attack claim; there's "evidence" for anything. But ur TRYING 2 see that. In order to perceive any evidence it must first be able to fit into ur reality tunnel.
@227Morgan yea other than the fact that Khalid Sheik Mohammad is sitting in our posession and has admitted it and is proud of it!..haha thats not 100% percent enough truth for you
What was this statement in reference to? Honestly, you could get anybody to admit to anything with enough persuation. Not that I necessarily believe he was persuaded.
@227Morgan yea you would persuade him by maybe saying.."we will give you absolutley nothing if you admit it was you" or "we wont give you anything at all if you admit it was you" or "admitting it was you will help you in no way, you might even be put to death or sentence to 50 life terms" you think hes going to say "okay ill do it"...no i would just like a truther to tackle the KSM issue..ive dabbled with the truth movement myself...continued.......
yeah, dumbass, sure. thats why bush stalled with 911 commission, until widows had to beg for it all around washington. so fuck you, dumbass. i hope dick cheney digs your grave. oh wait, he already did. take a nap, ameritard.
@TRUTHTHIRSTY1 He is certainly 100% fucking lying.I just wrote 2 comments on his site about how full of shit he is-for some reason they disappeared. Total fucking liar.
@ed11561 ed11561 (2 minutes ago) Spam Marked as spam As soon as Bush got into office he stopped all FBI&CIA investigations into all the BIN LADEN'S.PorterGoss was warned about the terrorists-Sen.Bob Graham were warned about 911. They sat & watched the towers burn with ISI Gen.Mahmoud WHO PAID MOHAMMED ATTA(SUPPOSED LEAD HIJACKER) $100,000 to give to all the hijackers.Bush SR.,Goss,Graham & Gen.MaHMOud al watche the towers burn on 911.
Its quite funny watching people on both sides of this debate confidently state the other side is "debunked". If both sides can be so easily discounted then does that mean both sides must be true? WTF?
It's a fact that anyone who believes that someone other than osama bin laden and a bunch of islamic jihadists were behind 9/11 is either a)retarded or b) severely retarded.
UserUK201: You must be a Zionist criminal Jew (Khazar), who is trying to cover up the facts of 911, your group did the job and killed all those americans..
@jayezzo Yes I am also part lizardman. Given that every 911 conspiracy theory has been debunked I at a loss for words at how retarded one must be in order to believe in them.
@UserUK201 It's a fact that anyone who believes that someone other than osama bin laden and a bunch of islamic jihadists were behind 9/11 is either a)retarded or b) severely retarded. YOU'RE A DUMB FUCK.WHO DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE. I suppose 7/7 was done by muslims too right asshole? U r 1 dumb fuck.
and im amazed how you fail to realize that 9/11 and 7/7 are just that - opportunities to expose elites and what they are really doing. but no. for you, or noam, that's "too far fetched". right? god, i thought i hated righturds the most, but god damn it, these liberals are making me even more sick. its probably because their mouths are full of freedom, equality and peace. but ask them about 9/11... woohoo! how the tables turn, eh? ironic, isn't it?
@911reset They are (possible) examples of elitist control, but that's exactly my point. You're attacking the individuals and not the system itself. By doing so, the greatest thing you can hope to achieve is a temporary political vacuum. Nothing will have changed up top, and 5,10 maybe 20 years later we got to live through it again.
Funny how you result to insults and name calling when you have nothing more productive to add or no counter argument. Makes me think I'm talking to a 14 yr old.
stfu, commie. system is made of individuals, and system is bad BECAUSE of individuals. you're just another left wing lying sack of shit who is trying to blow smoke in my face. pretty lame, commie. and i am not "insulting" you. i am calling you for what you indeed really are. so, drop the act, leftie. btw, i can see why you're defending chomsky. you're just as big of a dishonest, manipulating asshole as he is. looks like that's the trait of the intellectual left.
so, in your genious brain you've figured out that by saying "oh it is not important", you will be able to "figure out who really was involved in 9/11"? is that what you're saying? wow. im impressed. where did you go to school? seriously.
Eh no, try reading again, what I said was that this was (possibly) just one instance of one group of elite exerting power. It wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last. Changing a few government officials isn't going to do nothing. Chomsky knows that, he's been through 8 decades of this shit, studied it and has been an outspoken critic of the system for most of his life, hence the insignificance of a minor example of capitalist brutality.
"one group of elite exerting power". that's a lie. why? look at the extent of the coverup. as i said before, you're just liek chomsky, defending the system. lying because you too know what would happen if the truth got out. you, and chomsky for that matter, think it is better to lie than to tell the truth. "for a greater cause". tell me then, what's the difference between chomsky and cheney? and dont talk about capitalist brutality, communism was/is as brutal as capitalism.
@911reset "just liek chomsky, defending the system".
Unless you read what I actually write I'm not going to continue this "debate". With everything I have written it shoud be obvious to even a child that I am not a supporter of the capitalist system.
And then to call me a liar... what exactly have I lied about? More empty insults with no substance. If anyone is a liar it is you.
"liberal, antiwar, pussy, coward". Where's your evidence? Because I disagree with you? Some critical mind!
yup. how should i call you? when you say "oh well 9/11 doesnt matter", huh? it's all in the way you said it, dumbass. dont worry. not everyone is as stupid as you think they are,
@911reset You should have treated me with the same respect I showed you, instead your first post you called me a pussy.
I said that it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Not to say 3k people dead doesn't matter in itself, just not in terms of developing a class consiousness or changing the system, which is what I have been saying all through this debate. I dont believe the majority of people are stupid, although I think from this discussion I'm right on the money with your intellect
you lost, just like noam chomsky, my respect the second you said that 9/11 "doesnt really matter at all". i had you figured out right there and then. dont be a pussy and cry now and play that "courtesy" or "respect" card, mmkay?
the only way the system can be changed is THROUGH 9/11, dumbas. i know it, YOU know it, an by god so does noam chomsky. that's why you guise lie, and i am just asking questions. that's all. so, bite me. mmkay?
@911reset "the only way the system can be changed is THROUGH 9/11"
What does this even mean? Talk sense ffs. Writing a load of incomprehensible garbage interspersed with childish insults doesn't constitute an argument. What do you think is really going to change if you achieve everything you hope?
no, not because you disagree with me, but because you say "911 doesnt matter". when we both know it matters. which in the end puts you in the same bag as cheney, rumsfeld and other massmurderers of 9/11. it's as simple as that. same goes for your idol noam chomsky. his choice. and it will bite him in his lying ass, sooner or later. ooops. it already did. but little noam thinks he will be able to lie his way out of it, due to his "credibility". no respect for chomsky! NONE!
I said that it doesn't matter in terms of social evolution/understanding. We were slaves before the planes hit the towers and we're slaves now, in this respect 9/11 hasn't done anything to change that fact. THAT is what Chomsky and myself have been arguing.
So prove us wrong. How has the social system of class heirachy changed since 9/11? And for the last time, having some1 say they have no respect for Chomsky "anymore" when they haven't even read any of his works truely means NOTHING
We are free only in so far as we can choose our master. The majority of people are landless wage slaves, with nothing of value except thier physical being. Freedom so long as we sell oursleves to the capitalist class.
Freedom of speech, child labour laws, time off work, minimum wage and a host of other things people like you take for granted, didn't come out of thin air. It was faught for by the working class, and in the main not through the political process.
Yet in times where 5 year olds were expected to work for crumbs, and you didn't have the right or time to organise and discuss these issues, we lived in a democracy. UserUK201, you should read up on some history
Given that I am majoring in history at Brown I find your pathetic attempt create a facade of creditability and knowledge quite amusing. I bet every cheap black hooker you've picked up has felt the same way as I do.
It would be a rather simple task, but a useless gesture given your utter stupidity. However if you are truely willing to engage in a meaningful conversation I would gladly converse with you on this subject.
"It was faught for by the working class, and in the main not through the political process."
Actually many of these changes occurred thanks to the efforts of the middle class, ex: muck racking. And through the political process, ex: minimum wage. Also your understanding of capitalism and free enterprise is clearly sketchy at best as well as your overall understanding of basic economics.
As you are little more than a trolling racist it seems. Chomsky may be seeking attention, but what he draws our attention to needs attending. Again it seems some1 who has never read a word from one of his books deems themselves qualified to judge his work. You're pathetic mate
jesus christ, you are stupid. ahaha. hierarcy and social system of class has been reinforced by the 9/11 hoax. didn't you notice? everyone lies about 9/11. even goddamn noam chomsky, mwahaha. howard zinn!! amy goodman!! politicians, businessmen, intelligence personnel, journalists, generals etc etc. ergo, 9/11 made your slavery even tighter and prolonged it for like indefinitely. dakatt1, sorry mate, but you're like... dumb... dunno what else to say. seriously.
If anything has reinforced social heirachy in the recent past it has been the recession. In either case, I welcome the "reinforcement", more people are waking up to the b/s, it's just a shame it took millions of deaths for it to happen, but some people are just slow I guess.
Unfortuently many people are directing the blame onto individuals and missing the bigger picture. Until that changes then things like 9/11 will continue to happen. Bush or Bin Laden aren't responsible, you are
dude. its not mine nor your fault. it's noam chomsky's fault! he has the credibility, he has the spotlight on him and what does he do? he lies! so, if prominent "freedom fighters" are lying, what does that tell you, huh? and recession? what did you expect after bush, on account of 9/11, spent billions of dollars on wars in iraq and afghanistan? prosperity? youve got to be kidding. 9/11. if any historic moment was ever important... it's 9/11. period.
"which in the end puts you in the same bag as cheney, rumsfeld and other massmurderers of 9/11"
You're calling me a mass murderer? LMFAO. As you sit on your fat arse how many kids are dying of malaria each day, or other prevenetable deaths that your life style is inflicting upon them? You're a fking hypocrit mate, calling me a killer because I don't care about 3000 deaths, then wtf are you, not caring about the deaths of millions?
9/11 was not an inside job you idiot. I honestly can't believe 9/11 truthers are still around, I thought you all realized how stupid your "theories" really are.
@UserUK201 I neither said it was or it wasn't, I just said it doesn't matter either way. Of course you would have known that if you'd have read what you were commenting on
the only stupid person here is probably you,UserUK201 UserUK201, because you're the one who believes that 220 storeys of steel and concrete can turn into dust in less than 45s, "without" any use of explosives. so yeah, dumbass, keep talking...
From your comment I can discern two facts. One, you have no understanding of basic physics. Two, you have never seen photos of ground zero (dust? LOL!). What a tard.
@911reset Sure can. lol have you seen the Nat Geo program where they do that, and present it to the leading 9/11 retards. Even after all their fallacious half baked theories are debunked these idiots refuse to face faces.
ok. youre a retard. btw, there is still no floor by floor analysis of both of the collapses. even wtc7's collapse has not been explained in detail. only the initiations of all three collapses. so, you can talk shit all day UserUK201, but youre the idiot who believes 220 storeys of steel and concrete can turn into dust in less than 30 seconds, "without" any use of explosives. now, do the world a favor
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In October 04, FAA issued document known as a "Series 900" GAG order, to all current and former FAA employees demanding that they refrain from discussing any issue related to the September 11th attacks.
Current and former FAA employees are banned by the "Series 900" from discussing 9/11 even with their own families. The document threatens current FAA employees with firings and current and former FAA employees with cancelation of pensions.
Chomsky is a TRAITOR peddling USGov 9/11 LIES
dpetrano 2 weeks ago
@berlekta:
Little minds like you can't see things for what they truly are even if the evidence is right in front of you.
introduire 1 month ago
I love him. You know, it's such a bad thing - there are so many wonderful geniuses & good people in America - I mean I really hate America, b/c it had done really wrong to me & my people for decades, & I want it out from controlling the world & making distaters all over. At the same time, I feel bad for these people. Sometimes it hard to distiguish the people from the land when u hate.I really don't want them to suffer. I hope they can create a better land that represents them in the right way.
flower1921 2 months ago
@flower1921 We're not all bad. Some of us are Chomskies.
KilVall 2 months ago
@KilVall hahaha, yeah - I know. That does give hope!
flower1921 2 months ago
@flower1921
I agree and I was born here.
abminddesigns 1 month ago
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flower1921 2 months ago
Alquaeda rebels where armed with us weapons in libya
nevafrass 3 months ago
noam...you are also an intellectual...
hermeschbird 3 months ago
boring old man .....he is talking to much but doing nothing. if CIA invited al q.. proof it and it will be the end of CIA - one problem will be resolved
berletka 3 months ago
@onewolfseye What did bush and cheney know and when did they know it..
billclymer 5 months ago
Chomsky probably knows that US government allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen. But since he doesn't have ironclad proof, saying this would cost him his academic reputation. That's why he isn't going to say what he knows is true.
MrWakethesheeple 5 months ago
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Since the govt. committed 9/11, why arent truthers demanding the release of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who is on trial for his life for a crime truthers claim he did not commit?
If there was no flight 93, please explain how 95% of the plane debris was recovered?
If there was no flight 77, please explain how 130+ witnesses reported seeing a plane?
ctcole77 4 months ago
9/11 was an inside job by the CIA. Let me help you see the whole picture.
The airplanes were used as missiles by Islamic extremists who had a genuine hatred of America. They were recruited by Al Queda, which has been infiltrated by the CIA since its inception. That's why reporters in 1999 walked right into bin Laden's hideout for a story but our government 'couldn't find him.'
Detonators were installed in WTC's core columns to take down the buildings. The NORAD air defense system was down.
MrWakethesheeple 4 months ago
Most 9/11 truthers gladly answer those questions. We know Islamic extremists highjacked the planes and crashed them into buildings--Al Queda is a CIA arm. You didn't know that? What you need to ask yourself is why building 7, not hit by a plane, collapsed to dust in a manner consistent with a controlled demolition several hours after the planes hit. Also why was the government so quick to remove the WTC debris without analyzing it forensically. THEY DID NOT DO SO.
MrWakethesheeple 4 months ago
@MrWakethesheeple
"Al Queda is a CIA arm."
How about providing some proof of this LIE?
UBL didn't need the CIA's money or weapons. He refused to work with ANY westerners - especially govt. agencies.
I suppose thousands of tons of concrete and steel falling hundreds of feet on WTC 7had NOTHING to do with the collapse?
How about the 30 foot hole in WTC 7's facade or the severely damaged southwest corner?
Please explain firefighters predicting WTC 7's collapse HOURS ahead?
ctcole77 4 months ago
The Taliban was weaponized, funded and trained by the CIA in Afghanistan in 1979 to keep out the Soviets. Al Q is an offshoot of that warlord movement. Osama bin Laden was one of the most influential figures there. So are you saying the CIA just quit that relationship and didn't continue counterintelligence with spies? And I bet you think the American hikers in Iran weren't spies, just out for a nice hike. Bush and bin Laden families go way back. Mainstream news again.
MrWakethesheeple 4 months ago
The Taliban was weaponized, funded and trained by the CIA in Afghanistan in 1979 to keep out the Soviets. Al Q is an offshoot of that warlord movement. Osama bin Laden was one of the most influential figures there. So are you saying the CIA just quit that relationship and didn't continue counterintelligence with spies? And I bet you think the American hikers in Iran weren't spies, just out for a nice hike. Bush and bin Laden families go way back. Mainstream news again.
MrWakethesheeple 4 months ago
Larry Silverstein, WTC owner, say the decision was made to pull building 7. Generally that term means to demolish a structure, and the explosives could not be placed in a few hours they would need to be preplanted. The building was pulverized to dust primarily. Silverstein later backed off and said pull meant get the firefighters out, but no firefighters were in the building for the reason you mentioned: the big fire inside. A big fire doesn't cause on office building to pulverize to dust.
MrWakethesheeple 4 months ago
Silverstein, a rabid Israeli Zionist who probably supports Neoconservative militarism by the US in the Middle East, took out an insurance policy on the buildings only a few months before they fell and got a 99% return on his investment, getting double paid after arguing that two buildings entitled him to double compensation on towers that were loaded with asbestos and empty offices.
And then how about the first responders? 'America's heroes' were treated like dirt by the government you defend.
MrWakethesheeple 4 months ago
@MrWakethesheeple
Just a few problems with your scenarios gullible troll: SILVERSTEIN LOST MONEY ON 911!
Also, asbestos fireproofing was only used up to the thirty-eighth floor of the first WTC tower and not at all in the second. Continuing asbestos hysteria eventually resulted in much of the asbestos eventually being ripped out of the first tower.
MrWakethesheeple DEBUNKED!
ctcole77 4 months ago
@ctcole77 Muslim nations skipped the ScientificRevolution of the 1700`s and did not have an IndustrialEra so they must buy evrything from fridge/stove,computers,cars,weapons,medicine from Western nations and also ALL Middle-East nations import %75 of their food ,so they are easily controlled by the Allies with sanctions,and the buying of dictators who keep the people tribal and ignorant with the punishments of Islam while Allies loot the oil.Its their own stupidity to blame.
PAULOcbi 4 months ago
@MrWakethesheeple Did you read the NIST report? Why not read the wikipedia article on WTC7? It is clear and known why WTC 7 came down. Why not do some deeper research? Even though it was severely damaged because of falling debris from the North Towers collapse and firefighters noticed a bulge and also noted the building was creaking, the fires fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse. Not a controlled demolition. You need to dig deeper
ghpink 2 months ago
@MrWakethesheeple Most everything that you are asking can be explained by logical, documented reasons that do not involve a conspiracy that is impossible to prove to any well researched person, let alone a court of law. The real issues are with how 911 was used as a pretext to start two illegal wars and the real issues are mostly with bad US foreign policy, bad norad response and code, faulty building code and inadequate airport code. What you're trying to prove is waste of breath and energy.
ghpink 2 months ago 2
@ghpink
What you're trying to prove isnt logical ...its a joke ! EG : that the usa just had .. a BAD norad response and code , a faulty building code, inadequeate airport codes and last (but not least) the USA had a BAD US foreign policy lol Tsk tsk so many BAD & inadequate services in the USA How can one of the richest countries in the world (a superpower!) have had such 3rd world standards in national security, building codes etc in 2001?? ....Answer ? It didnt ! ITS NOT LOGICAL
ZEITGEISTism 3 weeks ago
@ZEITGEISTism I'm not trying to prove anything. The answers are clear and out there. You're the one who has to prove things and you can't. It's not logical to you, because you obviously haven't really looked deep enough in to it and all the problems associated with it. You've named yourself after Zeitgesit, so that is a clear indication of your lack of research. Why not look at the other side of things?
ghpink 3 weeks ago
@ZEITGEISTism You have great faith in the competence of people, I don't. People make the silliest of mistakes and are very incompetent, greedy, stupid, lack foresight and we do not look much to the future. Most building code is MADE because people have died or got hurt, not because we are responsible and care for the future. The current state of our planet shows this fact.You need to stop researching from assumption and start using what is known fact. Go watch Zeitgeist DEBUNKED.
ghpink 3 weeks ago
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you gentiles are Pathetic Always take some jew and make him god or Messiah just like the jesus and kerl marx and know this noam chomsky did you ever wondering why is this all your biggst gods and messiah and your intellectuals from right and left are jewish and you wonder how we the jews call are self the chosen people dont diss this
comment in 100 yreas from know your kids will things that holly histroy just like your Fathers Though't even the arebs belive in a jewish idea of god
ehudnold9 5 months ago
@onewolfseye at least they are as guilty of it as any arabian state is, yes. So in a sense they fabricated it themself. I actually think it is a wonder that so FEW terrorist attacks hit.
000000AEA000000 6 months ago
but what about cat aids?
TheDaviboy86 6 months ago
hmm lying intellectuals. He is not one of them though. He knows the truth. He is a good guy. It is these other intellectuals that are the liars. LOL! And they are not indoctrinated but the US is. But the US isa very free and open society and the records are easy to find. hmm. What does not fit well into his theory?
MrBlackhaw 6 months ago
@onewolfseye If he did think americans were behind it, then this whole conversation he made here is moot. His whole 9 minute conversation here is saying the U.S. government did cause 9/11, just indirectly. Its much easier to make enemies with someone rather than make them up to pretend they hate us so we can justify going to war with them. Then above all that masterfully cover it all up. Listen to him again please, cause you completely missed his point.
tommyboy31885 6 months ago
Lol Chomsky is basically talking about Thomas Friedman when he was talking about lying intellectuals.
AndroidPolitician 7 months ago
This man is genius
illbillya318 8 months ago 10
Your right hand leads a boring life.
Downfacingdog 10 months ago 9
@Downfacingdog That's because he is a leftist...lol.
123backinyerface 8 months ago
@Downfacingdog why don't you have your boyfriend shove his hand up your ass.
Mr145616 8 months ago
Everything Chomsky says here is true, but he is missing the religious element to "why they hate us". Not only are the Americans supporting Israel, but they are secularists, atheists, followers of false religions or Gods. So there is a Crusader element to them as well. Best thing we can do is demand Israel complies with UN resolutions, remove our bases from Saudi Arabia, and condemn the religious aspect of their as irrational, and fight religious extremism if necessary.
athabascka 11 months ago 2
@athabascka I know the comment is 7 months old, but in case you don't know by now, the US removed its bases from Saudi Arabia in 2003.
historypoliticsbb 3 months ago
Chomsky is always interesting to listen to but he views the world through one lens. Western Civilization is the worst thing to ever happen to the world. He starts from there and proceeds. The U.S. did not support the gasing of the Kurdish people. The no fly zone is what kept millions of kurdish people alive after the first Iraq war. Also, he's not a truther despite this vid's misleading title. He thinks you're all as batshit stupid as the rest of us.
hunterstl 1 year ago
@hunterstl you could not be more wrong. interest free loans doubled to iraq from the usa a year after the gassing. and the us got around international law that prohibits selling weapons to countries like iraq. instead the chemicals and gas were sold as dual purpose equipment (agriculture equipment lol) secondly turkey guilty of worst crimes against the kurds recieved more weapons in one year then all the weapons they recieved from the usa during entire cold war. check ur facts
maxfedor1 1 year ago
@hunterstl google turkish atrocities against the kurds, and american military support for turkey in the 90s.this happened all after the first iraq war so please, ridiculous to say the usa protected the kurds. look up the true facts not paranoid facts before you offer me a rebuttal. and try some pepper with ur crow
maxfedor1 1 year ago
Respond to this video... in my first response i meant chemicals and helicopters. cause both came from the states
maxfedor1 1 year ago
@hunterstlThe southeast of Turkey is a predominantly Kurdish region, which has witnessed a three-decade long armed ethnic conflict between the Turkish military and Kurdish separatists. The separatists have been fighting for the region’s independence from Turkey since the early 1980s, although now they claim they would accept basic cultural and political rights. According to many sources, the conflict has claimed more than 30,000 lives, most of them Kurds.
maxfedor1 1 year ago
@maxfedor1 Someone is mad. U mad? Christ, this is why I say withdraw all American troops from everywhere. Screw the Kurds in northern Iraq, the troops we have keeping a peace in Kossovo, the troops we have in S. Korea keeping the peace, our presence in the south china sea defending the interests of non Chinese countries. You guys can have at it. Bring all troops home. Those special forces guys training East Africans how to fight Al queda. Bring them home.You are not worth it.
hunterstl 1 year ago
@hunterstl; Oh, come on. Saying things like "Screw the Kurds" is the same as saying "let them die", which is the opposite of humanism. Sure, we could have made that decision, by saying "its tragic, but there is nothing we can do". But to say "screw them", thats siding with Saddam Hussein, thats siding with genocide.
athabascka 11 months ago
@athabascka You can say that about plenty of countries suffering from genocide, why was iraq chosen?
MarioBrosClassic 11 months ago
@MarioBrosClassic: I'm not saying it was a good idea. I dont know why Iraq was chosen. But even those who disagree with the decision to invade Iraq should not say something like "screw that Kurds". Thats not humanism, that is apathy.
athabascka 11 months ago
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@hunterstl "Western Civilization is the worst thing to ever happen to the world." Provide one source that shows Chomsky unambiguously stating this exact proposition.
TheHerpaderpderp 11 months ago
Live life people. The world is a fucked up place. Just be the best person you can be and hopefully this world can survive long enough for our grandchildren's grandchildren to have a crack at this great experience we call life. That's if America will stop pissing people off... lol
wiseyoungman1 1 year ago
*middle eastern counterparts*
wiseyoungman1 1 year ago
@all. The truth of the matter is the goverments official story is inconsistent with the facts. To take other facts, such as the Bush Administration and many other government bodies exploited the attacks of 9/11 for political purposes , policy makers and government officials profited from 9/11, and the given history of relationship between these same people and their middle eastern creates a climate for great speculation.
Degrees in any curriculum or hours of online research won't give you truth.
wiseyoungman1 1 year ago
WTC buildings were pre-manufactured, with controlled demolision, in mind. As to how many people need to be involved in arming them with explosives ? Well, given a years time, about 10 workers should do, they could be setting up ventilation electric transformers, without even knowing what the devices were. Remoted, with no cables. The amount of ppl needed to blow the buildings internally, can be surprisingly low, and of unknown origin, and unrelated to politics.
3waybar 1 year ago
Also there's a huge difference between keeping a military project to design a weapon a secret and a conspiracy to murder 3000 of your own countrymen a secret. That's not even taking into account that people where much more obiedient and loyal to the gov't in the 40s than it is now and the gov't had much more control over the media then.
A perfect example of comparing apples to oranges.
majordbag2 1 year ago
Let's run down some actual answers for why WTC7 was destroyed by the govt
-to get insurance money (because the gov't has such a small budget)
-Just because they felt like it (they did it for the lulz)
-To destroy the paperwork (because when I plan mass murder I leave the evidence next door)
and dumbest of all
-to make us question the 9/11 truth movement (they blew it up because so they left a gaping hole in an otherwise perfect plan for the conspiracists to discover. that is beyond stupid)
majordbag2 1 year ago
@majordbag2 Seems to me that you are just trying to win the argument so dunno if it's wise to continue but let me say this to conclude. Steel-buildings won't collapse and pulverize in that manner, even if they are hit by a plane full of jet-fuel. And your logic says that if I don't know the whole conspiracy and show the government documents to prove the demolitions and Pentagon missile, they never happened. You're studying Law, right? :)
jaska05 1 year ago
@jaska05 No but I am studying gov't, especially the US gov't and anyone with a modicum of knowledge on how it works will say it's practically impossible to keep something like this under wraps. I'll concede that the steel is a strong point of but doesn't make up for the fallacies and flat out contradictions that are within it
The only way for the conspiracy to work is with a massive, global conspiracy among all gov'ts to keep this a secret but then why bother blowing up WTC in first place?
majordbag2 1 year ago
@majordbag2 What about the manhattan project?
hornetobiker 1 year ago
"US is very open society..." Lol! This man is so gullible.
jaska05 1 year ago
@jaska05 Actually compared to countries like China (namely the PRC) and the former USSR the US is a very open society; people can directly watch their government work on TV and if people actually bothered to organize themselves it would be quite a simple process to change the government. Granted there is censorship and corporate interests behind the scenes but there is little to prevent a serious change in government outside of the general publics laziness
Think before you say something dumb
majordbag2 1 year ago
@majordbag2 You really think your government is in charge? :D JFK thought he could do something to make a change and what happened to him. Look, you have to investigate outside the corrupted academics and mainstream media propaganda that only support the status quo and ignorance. And yes, Russia is more open society than US not matter how unbelievable this might sound. They are not as gullible and conceited as Americans (or Finns). " Serious people like Wall Street Journal..." Chomsky. LOL!
jaska05 1 year ago
@jaska05 What is with this obsession with JFK. He really didn't do very much during his administration outside a few token guestures and in some ways he reinforced the imperial presidency.
Everyone likes to pretend that JFK was going to be this great awesome leader where in reality he really was just a typical 50's democrat. I think the only reason people have such a reverence for him is the fact that he was very popular with the public and by dying he became sort of like a christ figure.
majordbag2 1 year ago
who watches the watchmen?
911reset 1 year ago
@911reset If you take into account how gov't is fragmented, with lots competition between gov't different agencies, such as the CIA, FBI, NYPD, NSA, there's plenty of cross checking, that means to keep a conspiracy secret requires control of thosands, if not tens of thousands, of people in multiple agencies. Watergate couldn't be covered up and it only involved about a dozen men.
Is it possible that this conspiracy managed to keep the thousands of in line but so is winning the lottery.
majordbag2 1 year ago
It is possible to keep thousands or even millions in line. E.g. army, religions, etc.
Please explain e.g. WTC7. You have to be an idiot to believe the official story. Some of these officials have gone so far that they even say that there was no WTC7 or it didn't collapse. :D
jaska05 1 year ago
@jaska05 You're mixing up making people obey a higher authority with force, with keeping a secret. it's absurd to think that there could be a conspiracy and after almost 10 years not a single gov't document supporting it has been leaked.
And don't get me started on building 7, I've asked truthers why they set charges in a building they never had a plane crash into and all explanations have been retarded, building 7 is the greatest weakness of the 9/11 truth movement.
majordbag2 1 year ago
@majordbag2 Why do you assume the whole government would be involved? Ever heard of "need to know"?
hornetobiker 1 year ago
@hornetobiker Again even if only part of the govt was involved it would have required at least hundreds of participants, probably thousands, in a wide number agencies ranging from military, police, aviation monitors, and civil engineers to pull this off and cover it up.
Do you honestly think they could pull this off but couldn't keep watergate a secret and that was with only 8 people in one organization?
We didn't keep the Mahanttan project a secret, the Russians found out with spies.
majordbag2 1 year ago
How does knowledge in Economics or politics, gives you any understanding of the evidences that it was a planned controlled démolition ??
Elementorum 1 year ago
He mentions a category of people called intellectuals who make fabrications to protect the power. Yeah, Noam belongs to that group.
jaska05 1 year ago
Anybody who has really looked into the evidence on 911 and has not taken the ludicrous official story for granted like Chomsky here can tell it was an inside job. Chomsky is logical, yet delusional.
jaska05 1 year ago
@jaska05 LOL fail... i did a 10 minute google search and found a blog about how it was an inside job and you come to that conclusion
MarioBrosClassic 1 year ago
@MarioBrosClassic ?! !
jaska05 1 year ago
@jaska05 And what sort of credibility can you provide when calling a renowned intellectual such as Chomsky "delusional"? I love hearing people on youtube claiming THEY know the truth about 9/11 when really all they are doing is citing impractical and nonsensical conspiracy theories that have been thrown around the web. Anyone who truly knows how the international political system works, can conclude that it was NOT a conspiracy.
zep144 1 year ago
@zep144 "Anyone who truly knows how the international political system works..." And you think you do know?! I dare you and Chomsky to look into the evidence, e.g. WTC7, before making your academically convenient statements. Your "renowed intellectual" is just ignorant no matter how intelligent he is. He is just arrogantly defending his own worldview and not bothering to take his head out of his own behind. I bet you believe also that Mr Obama is the man in charge, not unlike Baby Bush was. :D
jaska05 1 year ago
@jaska05 As a Masters student in International relations, yes I do think I know roughly how the international political system works. Or at least, I know how to look deeper than the thoughtless argument of "Bush knocked the towers down". And of course Obama does not hold as much power as most people believe, but to suggest that a government would deliberately attack and kill 3000 of its own people is ridiculous and is an argument that is filled with holes. Try thinking outside the box for once.
zep144 1 year ago
@zep144 Ok, you are just trolling here. But if you were serious, you just proved again how stupid academically educated people can be. Thanks! I have an MBA in Economics but I was wise or lucky enough to get out of that "inside the box" thinking or mind-control you seem to be so proud of. I noticed you are fairly young so you still have hope. Greetings from the "best country in the world" and good night. :D
jaska05 1 year ago
@jaska05 Really?! an MBA in economics and you still buy into all that high school conspiracy bullshit?? I don't even know how to respond to that...
zep144 1 year ago
American government is the most corrupted, i still believe that americans did it what evidence tht osama did it, they never actually did it look at american secret services these people have been making deals with the likes of taleban and alqaeda for years
2010MujahidBoxing 1 year ago
jealous of our freedoms is so stupid...they want to live and govern their countries the way they want...people who we cant identify have their hand up the presidents/congress' ass for resources and corporate expansion annd those people have a jewish hand up their ass in favor of the protection of israel and also for money..they have ripped the mid east apart for these purposes its pretty obvious..
hailtotheking324 1 year ago
but ive come to realize even if the governemnt had nothing to do with 9/11 they are still 100% responsible for it because of the evil decisions they have made in the past..
hailtotheking324 1 year ago
@hailtotheking324
I can agree to that statement completely. Too many people have fallen for the "they're just evil" idea and it's pretty stupid if you know anything about the history of US foreign policy. I wasn't there on 9/11 so I don't claim to know what happened, but I do believe the inside job thing is a possibility, but just that. Either way, the event SHOULD have been a wake up call.
227Morgan 1 year ago
" There is a category of people called intellectuals. Their task is to make up fabrications that protect power and divert attention from what's obvious." Well at least he told us in the beginning of his talk that that is what he is doing on this subject.
benchkey 1 year ago
Took Chomsky a couple years to come around on the subject of 9/11. Finally a purely logical and barely criminal version.He is my favorite human next to Greg Graffin.
FreedumbFighter28 1 year ago
Conspiracy theories are a big distraction that keeps us from addressing real issues because it fragments people and it makes people feel helpless. I know building 7 could not fall on its own, that's obvious. But I don't bring it up because it's only another way to separate myself from others. We need to work on COMMON goals. Not gay marriage, 911 truth, assault rifle rights (guns are ok), etc. Just say no to wedge tactics!
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 Yes regardless of whether or not our government was "in" on it, we should still be upset at our government for the way they raped the resources of countries around the world, killed or removed democratically elected officials, and let nations impoverished...go read books like "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" instead of watching alex jones..READ A BOOK there is much more to be angry at our government for..
hailtotheking324 1 year ago
@hailtotheking324 Thank God there is another rational human left on this earth.
tstruss912 1 year ago
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Chomsky denies the agenda for full spectrum dominance, denies the Revolution in Military Affairs, and denies all the calls for a "New Pearl Harbor" in the 1990s. Chomksy is rendered uttery irrelevant here: outlawjournalism com/forum/viewtopic php?t=5691
Blissentia 1 year ago
Muslims know crap. I live in Saudi Arabia... they know absolutely nothing here. The local media is an absolute joke. They just hate Jews. Plain and simple. The whole problem with Israel is 100% caused by Arab/Muslim racism. The US has done much more for peace in the Middle East than any Arab country has. Remember the whole reason that there isn't peace in the first place is because of Arabs. They started the war in 1948.
kalbahamut 1 year ago
@kalbahamut
We've done what for peace in the Middle East? Oust a democratically elected president from Iran in favor of the Shah in 1954(?), sell arms in the 80s to a then unstable iran in order to fund "freedom fighters" in Nicaragua (another country we screwed over) while simulateously giving Israel millions of dollars a day to fund weapons programs and continue their invasion into palestinian territory, start two major wars in the last 10 years, need I go on?
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan go on all you like the fact remains that the United States has a better record when it comes to working for peace in this region than any Arab country. The Arab countries initiated the war in 1948. They created the Palestinian refugee crisis. If they would divorce themselves from terrorism and those that support it- and cease the insane and racist rhetoric that calls for the destruction of Israel, we could move forward. But apparently that's asking for too much.
kalbahamut 1 year ago
@kalbahamut
As Chomsky himself said "if you want to fight terrorism, convince our government to stop participating in it." Let's see; we support Israel with all the money it needs to sustain it's invasion of palestian territory (and they are invading it) and we buy billions of dollars of oil from Saudi Arabia: the country supplying the majority of terrorists, training camps, and explosives to the Iraqi front, and
227Morgan 1 year ago
Independent Scientists who tested samples of WTC dust found evidence of high-tech explosives. Read the peer review paper by Chemist Neils Harrit and Physicist Stephen Jones.
To date the Government has never performed chemical testing of evidence for explosives! This is in direction violation of NFPA 921 Fire Investigation Protocol!
Why would anyone believe debunkers who say "No explosives" when they don't have ANY scientific basis for their claims??? The government never tested for them!
AlienScientist 1 year ago 2
All you people are idiots- its unbelieveable. Noam Chomsky is right and unlike any of the people of believe 911 was a inside job (obviously so intensely), he's read thoroughly on history & current times.
wellingtonbosharpe 1 year ago
The "campaign of hatred" was a campaign of TRUTH.
There is a campaign of hatred in the United States toward Moslem countries.
Every time you hear someone talking about towelheads or ragheads, you are listening to a real campaign of hatred.
MagiMysteryTour 1 year ago
@MagiMysteryTour it's not at all necessary to use racial slurs in order to come up with valid reasons to hate Muslims and Muslim countries.
kalbahamut 1 year ago
Our government promotes hatred because hatred fuels war. People who use racial slurs don't care whether there are valid reasons or not, they're determined to hate because it gives them the excuse to go to other countries and kill people there. Our atrocities in Moslem countries make us no better than the crimes Moslems may be guilty of.
MagiMysteryTour 1 year ago
"the government owns this guy."??
You have no idea what you're talking about.
What I mean is, you've got too much Alex Jones on the brain.
TheLiberalAvenger 1 year ago
@TheLiberalAvenger,
The CIA's 9/11 Psy-Op Pwns Noam Chomsky, he is forced into a political situation where he can't take a stance on 9/11 it (yet) because it will discredit all his other great research into CIA corruption, drug dealing, murder, and everything else that he's exposed over the years about the Government.
Not the Government... The Banksters, Globalists, and intelligence networks that orchestrated 9/11 own Noam Chomsky, with a tactic called "BIG LIE"... Two 3-letter words!
WarCrime911 1 year ago
So, Chomsky, US has excellent security, nothing to worry about, but there is nothing suspicious about 9/11? He's smart enough to know better - the government owns this guy. What a hypocrite.
MaiaRikae 1 year ago
will all due respect professor chomsky ,it can be this easy
madiovich 1 year ago
douche bag says what? this guys an ass clown
spineadjuster13 1 year ago
inside job
scoretosettle 1 year ago
chomsky has not refuted any evidence that proves 911 was an inside job
demik027 1 year ago 2
@demik027 its like saying; moon is full of aliens, if I never debunk that, I belive in it?
Sometimes things are so over the top and stupid its not worth a reply.
quezcatol 1 year ago
@quezcatol unlike the moon...the evidence is accessible to him..idiot...to many abnormality occur on that day....
demik027 1 year ago
@demik027
What evidence "proves" 9/11 was an inside job?
lazarus0202 1 year ago
@lazarus0202
There is always evidence to "prove" either side of any debate. In some cases one side clearly holds an advantage, other times the line is gray. To your question, major claims include the collapse of building 7 without structural damage, free-fall speed of collapse (physically impossible if you go by 9/11 commission), eye-witness claims of hearing explosions, steel girders cut at 45 degree angles, and I'm sure many other things.
What the thinker thinks, the prover proves
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan
Yeah I am aware of all that but it can't be defined as "proof" at all. Proof is 100% solid, these are just theories based on observations and shaky evidence. Wouldn't hold up in court.
lazarus0202 1 year ago
@lazarus0202
I'd refer you to my post @kalbahamut
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan WTC7 had massive structural damage, none of the buildings fell at free fall speed, people heard sounds that they compared to explosions but nobody heard actual explosions from a controlled demolition, girders were cut by clean up workers after the building collapsed.
You can't keep citing the same idiotic garbage that has been proven false and expect to be taken seriously.
kalbahamut 1 year ago
@kalbahamut Part 2
I believe, but it remains speculation, to the rest of the middle east, and the most socially backward, at least from a western perspective. You have to be aware that both parties in this despute (I'm mainly referring to Israel in this instance since that's where you seem to have put your focus) are in the wrong. Israel sustains huge weapons programs, cuts supply lines to gaza and continues to build walls outside of the terroritory defined as the Israeli state.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@kalbahamut Part 3
Palestinians and other arab nations continually retaliate to this both verbally and physically, adding fuel to the fire.
In reference to your 9/11 comments. I never said I supported the ideas from my post I simply stated that there are those who believe in said ideas. That's why I said "what the thinker thinks, the prover proves". Your internal thinker obviously believes that the events of 9/11 couldn't have been anything besides a terrorists attack.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@kalbahamut Part 4
Following this idea, your internal prover sets out to find only the information which supports your constructed reality tunnel. I honestly admit I don't know all the facts about 9/11, but saying that there is legitamite, 100% irrefutable "proof" that it was a terrorist attack is just as blatantly ignorant as saying there is "proof" it was an inside job.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227 I agree the US, in funneling money to Saudi Arabia, has done some harm to the region. I never said they were perfect. This doesn't make me wrong. I still see their support of Israel as a good thing. It's not my "internal thinker" that says 9/11 was a terrorist attack. It's the mountains of evidence that support this that says so. I think asking questions is a great thing, but reserve the right to tell anyone to shut up when they ask the same dumb questions that have been answered 100 times.
kalbahamut 1 year ago
@kalbahamut
Glad u see the harm in support for Saudi Arabia, but that's more clear cut. u make the claim that supporting Israel is a "good thing" but u make no effort to explain why. Why is it good to have a foreign supported regional superpower which is hated by the rest of the area? Of course there is evidence to support the terrorist attack claim; there's "evidence" for anything. But ur TRYING 2 see that. In order to perceive any evidence it must first be able to fit into ur reality tunnel.
227Morgan 1 year ago
sorry for the u's and 2 and stuff. Character count sucks a dick
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan yea other than the fact that Khalid Sheik Mohammad is sitting in our posession and has admitted it and is proud of it!..haha thats not 100% percent enough truth for you
hailtotheking324 1 year ago
@hailtotheking324
What was this statement in reference to? Honestly, you could get anybody to admit to anything with enough persuation. Not that I necessarily believe he was persuaded.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan yea you would persuade him by maybe saying.."we will give you absolutley nothing if you admit it was you" or "we wont give you anything at all if you admit it was you" or "admitting it was you will help you in no way, you might even be put to death or sentence to 50 life terms" you think hes going to say "okay ill do it"...no i would just like a truther to tackle the KSM issue..ive dabbled with the truth movement myself...continued.......
hailtotheking324 1 year ago
@UserUK201
yeah, dumbass, sure. thats why bush stalled with 911 commission, until widows had to beg for it all around washington. so fuck you, dumbass. i hope dick cheney digs your grave. oh wait, he already did. take a nap, ameritard.
911reset 1 year ago
I think this guy is CIA.
TRUTHTHIRSTY1 1 year ago
@TRUTHTHIRSTY1 He is certainly 100% fucking lying.I just wrote 2 comments on his site about how full of shit he is-for some reason they disappeared. Total fucking liar.
ed11561 1 year ago
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@ed11561 ed11561 (2 minutes ago) Spam Marked as spam As soon as Bush got into office he stopped all FBI&CIA investigations into all the BIN LADEN'S.PorterGoss was warned about the terrorists-Sen.Bob Graham were warned about 911. They sat & watched the towers burn with ISI Gen.Mahmoud WHO PAID MOHAMMED ATTA(SUPPOSED LEAD HIJACKER) $100,000 to give to all the hijackers.Bush SR.,Goss,Graham & Gen.MaHMOud al watche the towers burn on 911.
ed11561 1 year ago
Its quite funny watching people on both sides of this debate confidently state the other side is "debunked". If both sides can be so easily discounted then does that mean both sides must be true? WTF?
quarkmuffin37 2 years ago
It's a fact that 9/11 was 100% Israeli/Zionist job.
Anyone tells you otherwise is in question.
watch: "911 missing links"
jayezzo 2 years ago
It's a fact that anyone who believes that someone other than osama bin laden and a bunch of islamic jihadists were behind 9/11 is either a)retarded or b) severely retarded.
UserUK201 2 years ago
UserUK201: You must be a Zionist criminal Jew (Khazar), who is trying to cover up the facts of 911, your group did the job and killed all those americans..
jayezzo 2 years ago
@jayezzo Yes I am also part lizardman. Given that every 911 conspiracy theory has been debunked I at a loss for words at how retarded one must be in order to believe in them.
UserUK201 2 years ago
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@UserUK201 It's a fact that anyone who believes that someone other than osama bin laden and a bunch of islamic jihadists were behind 9/11 is either a)retarded or b) severely retarded. YOU'RE A DUMB FUCK.WHO DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE. I suppose 7/7 was done by muslims too right asshole? U r 1 dumb fuck.
ed11561 1 year ago
@Dakatt1
and im amazed how you fail to realize that 9/11 and 7/7 are just that - opportunities to expose elites and what they are really doing. but no. for you, or noam, that's "too far fetched". right? god, i thought i hated righturds the most, but god damn it, these liberals are making me even more sick. its probably because their mouths are full of freedom, equality and peace. but ask them about 9/11... woohoo! how the tables turn, eh? ironic, isn't it?
911reset 2 years ago
@911reset They are (possible) examples of elitist control, but that's exactly my point. You're attacking the individuals and not the system itself. By doing so, the greatest thing you can hope to achieve is a temporary political vacuum. Nothing will have changed up top, and 5,10 maybe 20 years later we got to live through it again.
Funny how you result to insults and name calling when you have nothing more productive to add or no counter argument. Makes me think I'm talking to a 14 yr old.
Dakatt1 2 years ago
@Dakatt1
stfu, commie. system is made of individuals, and system is bad BECAUSE of individuals. you're just another left wing lying sack of shit who is trying to blow smoke in my face. pretty lame, commie. and i am not "insulting" you. i am calling you for what you indeed really are. so, drop the act, leftie. btw, i can see why you're defending chomsky. you're just as big of a dishonest, manipulating asshole as he is. looks like that's the trait of the intellectual left.
911reset 2 years ago
Keep trying to figure out who "really" was involved in 9/11, I'm sure your life and the lives of others is going to improve because of it.
"system is made of individuals, and system is bad BECAUSE of individuals."
So what's your suggestion, eradicate indivduality? F**king moron
Dakatt1 2 years ago
@Dakatt1
so, in your genious brain you've figured out that by saying "oh it is not important", you will be able to "figure out who really was involved in 9/11"? is that what you're saying? wow. im impressed. where did you go to school? seriously.
911reset 2 years ago
Eh no, try reading again, what I said was that this was (possibly) just one instance of one group of elite exerting power. It wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last. Changing a few government officials isn't going to do nothing. Chomsky knows that, he's been through 8 decades of this shit, studied it and has been an outspoken critic of the system for most of his life, hence the insignificance of a minor example of capitalist brutality.
Dakatt1 2 years ago
@Dakatt1
"one group of elite exerting power". that's a lie. why? look at the extent of the coverup. as i said before, you're just liek chomsky, defending the system. lying because you too know what would happen if the truth got out. you, and chomsky for that matter, think it is better to lie than to tell the truth. "for a greater cause". tell me then, what's the difference between chomsky and cheney? and dont talk about capitalist brutality, communism was/is as brutal as capitalism.
911reset 2 years ago
What I think you are reffering to is state capitalism, people like stalin and mao. The more you talk the more obvious your ignorance
Dakatt1 2 years ago
@911reset "just liek chomsky, defending the system".
Unless you read what I actually write I'm not going to continue this "debate". With everything I have written it shoud be obvious to even a child that I am not a supporter of the capitalist system.
And then to call me a liar... what exactly have I lied about? More empty insults with no substance. If anyone is a liar it is you.
"liberal, antiwar, pussy, coward". Where's your evidence? Because I disagree with you? Some critical mind!
Dakatt1 2 years ago
@Dakatt1
yup. how should i call you? when you say "oh well 9/11 doesnt matter", huh? it's all in the way you said it, dumbass. dont worry. not everyone is as stupid as you think they are,
Dakatt1.
911reset 2 years ago
@911reset You should have treated me with the same respect I showed you, instead your first post you called me a pussy.
I said that it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Not to say 3k people dead doesn't matter in itself, just not in terms of developing a class consiousness or changing the system, which is what I have been saying all through this debate. I dont believe the majority of people are stupid, although I think from this discussion I'm right on the money with your intellect
Dakatt1 2 years ago
@Dakatt1
you lost, just like noam chomsky, my respect the second you said that 9/11 "doesnt really matter at all". i had you figured out right there and then. dont be a pussy and cry now and play that "courtesy" or "respect" card, mmkay?
the only way the system can be changed is THROUGH 9/11, dumbas. i know it, YOU know it, an by god so does noam chomsky. that's why you guise lie, and i am just asking questions. that's all. so, bite me. mmkay?
911reset 2 years ago
@911reset "the only way the system can be changed is THROUGH 9/11"
What does this even mean? Talk sense ffs. Writing a load of incomprehensible garbage interspersed with childish insults doesn't constitute an argument. What do you think is really going to change if you achieve everything you hope?
Dakatt1 2 years ago
@Dakatt1
no, not because you disagree with me, but because you say "911 doesnt matter". when we both know it matters. which in the end puts you in the same bag as cheney, rumsfeld and other massmurderers of 9/11. it's as simple as that. same goes for your idol noam chomsky. his choice. and it will bite him in his lying ass, sooner or later. ooops. it already did. but little noam thinks he will be able to lie his way out of it, due to his "credibility". no respect for chomsky! NONE!
911reset 2 years ago
I said that it doesn't matter in terms of social evolution/understanding. We were slaves before the planes hit the towers and we're slaves now, in this respect 9/11 hasn't done anything to change that fact. THAT is what Chomsky and myself have been arguing.
So prove us wrong. How has the social system of class heirachy changed since 9/11? And for the last time, having some1 say they have no respect for Chomsky "anymore" when they haven't even read any of his works truely means NOTHING
Dakatt1 2 years ago
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UserUK201 2 years ago
We aren't slaves. Chomsky is little more than an attention seeking charlaton.
UserUK201 2 years ago
We are free only in so far as we can choose our master. The majority of people are landless wage slaves, with nothing of value except thier physical being. Freedom so long as we sell oursleves to the capitalist class.
Freedom of speech, child labour laws, time off work, minimum wage and a host of other things people like you take for granted, didn't come out of thin air. It was faught for by the working class, and in the main not through the political process.
EnslavedFreedom 2 years ago
Yet in times where 5 year olds were expected to work for crumbs, and you didn't have the right or time to organise and discuss these issues, we lived in a democracy. UserUK201, you should read up on some history
EnslavedFreedom 2 years ago
Given that I am majoring in history at Brown I find your pathetic attempt create a facade of creditability and knowledge quite amusing. I bet every cheap black hooker you've picked up has felt the same way as I do.
UserUK201 2 years ago
I doubt you can explain where I'm wrong, mr history professor
EnslavedFreedom 2 years ago
It would be a rather simple task, but a useless gesture given your utter stupidity. However if you are truely willing to engage in a meaningful conversation I would gladly converse with you on this subject.
UserUK201 2 years ago
For the sake of improving upon my stupidity then, correct me
EnslavedFreedom 2 years ago
"It was faught for by the working class, and in the main not through the political process."
Actually many of these changes occurred thanks to the efforts of the middle class, ex: muck racking. And through the political process, ex: minimum wage. Also your understanding of capitalism and free enterprise is clearly sketchy at best as well as your overall understanding of basic economics.
UserUK201 2 years ago
As you are little more than a trolling racist it seems. Chomsky may be seeking attention, but what he draws our attention to needs attending. Again it seems some1 who has never read a word from one of his books deems themselves qualified to judge his work. You're pathetic mate
Dakatt1 2 years ago
I have read
What We Say Goes: Conversations on U.S. Power in a Changing World
Power and Terror: Post-9/11 Talks and Interviews
Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance
I do agree on several of his assertions, but by and large I found myself correcting the half-truths and out right lies he makes throughout.
UserUK201 2 years ago
@Dakatt1
jesus christ, you are stupid. ahaha. hierarcy and social system of class has been reinforced by the 9/11 hoax. didn't you notice? everyone lies about 9/11. even goddamn noam chomsky, mwahaha. howard zinn!! amy goodman!! politicians, businessmen, intelligence personnel, journalists, generals etc etc. ergo, 9/11 made your slavery even tighter and prolonged it for like indefinitely. dakatt1, sorry mate, but you're like... dumb... dunno what else to say. seriously.
911reset 2 years ago
If anything has reinforced social heirachy in the recent past it has been the recession. In either case, I welcome the "reinforcement", more people are waking up to the b/s, it's just a shame it took millions of deaths for it to happen, but some people are just slow I guess.
Unfortuently many people are directing the blame onto individuals and missing the bigger picture. Until that changes then things like 9/11 will continue to happen. Bush or Bin Laden aren't responsible, you are
Dakatt1 2 years ago
@Dakatt1
dude. its not mine nor your fault. it's noam chomsky's fault! he has the credibility, he has the spotlight on him and what does he do? he lies! so, if prominent "freedom fighters" are lying, what does that tell you, huh? and recession? what did you expect after bush, on account of 9/11, spent billions of dollars on wars in iraq and afghanistan? prosperity? youve got to be kidding. 9/11. if any historic moment was ever important... it's 9/11. period.
911reset 2 years ago
HOLD UP!
"which in the end puts you in the same bag as cheney, rumsfeld and other massmurderers of 9/11"
You're calling me a mass murderer? LMFAO. As you sit on your fat arse how many kids are dying of malaria each day, or other prevenetable deaths that your life style is inflicting upon them? You're a fking hypocrit mate, calling me a killer because I don't care about 3000 deaths, then wtf are you, not caring about the deaths of millions?
Dakatt1 2 years ago
9/11 was not an inside job you idiot. I honestly can't believe 9/11 truthers are still around, I thought you all realized how stupid your "theories" really are.
UserUK201 2 years ago
@UserUK201 I neither said it was or it wasn't, I just said it doesn't matter either way. Of course you would have known that if you'd have read what you were commenting on
Dakatt1 2 years ago
My comment was directed towards the dipshit you are conversing with.
UserUK201 2 years ago
@UserUK201
the only stupid person here is probably you,UserUK201 UserUK201, because you're the one who believes that 220 storeys of steel and concrete can turn into dust in less than 45s, "without" any use of explosives. so yeah, dumbass, keep talking...
911reset 2 years ago
From your comment I can discern two facts. One, you have no understanding of basic physics. Two, you have never seen photos of ground zero (dust? LOL!). What a tard.
UserUK201 2 years ago
@UserUK201
talk shit, dumbass. while you're there, can you provide everyone here with a detailed floor by floor analysis of both of the collapses? maybe?
let me know. dumbass.
911reset 2 years ago
@911reset Sure can. lol have you seen the Nat Geo program where they do that, and present it to the leading 9/11 retards. Even after all their fallacious half baked theories are debunked these idiots refuse to face faces.
UserUK201 2 years ago
@UserUK201
ok. youre a retard. btw, there is still no floor by floor analysis of both of the collapses. even wtc7's collapse has not been explained in detail. only the initiations of all three collapses. so, you can talk shit all day UserUK201, but youre the idiot who believes 220 storeys of steel and concrete can turn into dust in less than 30 seconds, "without" any use of explosives. now, do the world a favor
UserUK201
911reset 2 years ago
I'm retarded? which one of us believes that a vast conspiracy orchastrated by t