I like how the bell is rang so hard it actually swings 360 degrees twice. Rather ecstatic if you ask me. I also agree with maz323se on their point- the engineer obviously had no feel for the trottle.
@Conrail6370 I have heard that on a steam locomotive that wheelslip causes colder air from outside to be sucked into the firebox and that could lead to cracked pipes. but yeah I didn't think about how this action affects the rails.
@Conrail6370 Actually yes it is bad for the locomotive. If you spin to much and/or to fast you can heat the tires up to the point where they will lose their fit on the wheel.
@TheStrasburg90 Actually yes they can and it has happened. Charles F. Steffes says in his book "Life & Times of a Locomotive Engineer" he was the engineer of a train on the SP out of Indio. He was on a long uphill grade going slowly and he fell asleep, but when he woke up the drivers were spinning so violently for a period of time they became red hot and the tires actually became displaced on the casting. The engine had to be towed back, So while not a common occurrence, no impossible either.
@traindude109 While they install the tires, the tires are practically on fire. Steel is incredibly hard and doesnt expand at the drop of a hat.so unless fire was shooting from the tires, i highly doubt that.
@TheStrasburg90 First off, yes it did happen, although quite rare. Secondly, the tires are not on fire, they are heated to a very high temperature to where it expands and is fitted over the casting and as it cools it forms a shrink fit. So if you have the drivers slipping violently for a long period of time they can heat up to a point where they lose their fit. This causes a heat buildup due to metal on metal friction. A perfect example of this is rubbing your hands together very quickly.
@TheStrasburg90 Matt and I have worked on steam locomotives so if you need to listen, listen to us we don't know everything but enough to know what where talking about so if you want to listen to your foamer friends then do it if you don't want helpful advise, that will get you no where in the railroad world. Plus wired shit happens all the time on steam locomotives so you can't explain everything unless your there to figure it out.
A HOBO I got that! It was the famous but slightly retarded Brian Bachman. He slept in 91's coal bunker too many times and the coalfumes broke his brain! I know because I was there as fireman that day. My student whom you saw entering the gangway by an unorthodox manner was named Mike McFlanahan and he was the best, at being a student that is under the Frankiedoo reichsctag!
FYI all of you, the 91 has a VERY stiff throttle. To some extent this was remedied in her rebuild during summer 2007, but she still takes getting used to.
Its called to much throttle. To much steam to the cylinders is gonna cause a wheel slip! Steam engines are very touchy. Ive seen plenty of wheel spins on all kinds of steam locomotives in steam movies!
that is indeed wheel slippage a delicate hand on the throttle and sand is required here, add to the fact that 2-6-0 were not inherently balanced right so they were not as popular as the ever popular 4-4-0 or the high stepping 4-6-0 or the heavyweight 2-8-0
2-6-0s were VERY Popular Locomotives that were Much more Versatile than 4-4-0s, and were Sturdy Freight haulers. Over 11,000 were Built in the USA.
They were Larger than 4-4-0s, Worked well with 4-6-0s, and were Smaller than 2-8-0s, but They were Practicably at Home on ANY Short Line, as well as any Big Railroad's Motive power Fleet.
Maybe the next question is what condition are the treads in? If they're worn out or basically not flat, you're not going to have a good contact area for traction. Diesels have the same issues if they aren't maintained well either.
Wasn't this right after the M&H had restored steam service? If so then it would probably explain the slipping, since the crew would have had to get used to working the throttle again.
Ok, I didnt realize the grade, thats understandable, but even then, for a locomotive with no cars, that seems a little excessive for wheel spin. Im apperently just used to the heaveir steam.
That engineer has no feel for the throttle at all. He would be gone in a heart beat if he was on our railroad. Thats no way to run equipment. And the whistle is distorted due to the quality of the film.
actually if you checked my profile, you would notice that im a locomotive engineer for Amtrak. Prior to that I worked for Septa for 6 years, with 4 of them as an engineer and back years before that, I worked for NH&I as an AC and a student fireman, and even working in the shop on the coaches. I left after working on the 1127. So now what makes you an expert in railroading? What railroad do you work for again?
i dont have to sit here and brag about what railroad for here.,but i have plenty of experience in the field(alot with steam locomotives)if you worked at new hope then i am sure you might know me.whatever the case is this is just plain abuse to a ''steam''locomotive weather you believe it or not is up to you.
I have seen many of the engineers at the NH&I run old #40 very rough and had many wheel spins, so the NH&I isnt innocent of that as well.But its ok because Colonel Von Hessler and Paul Nicchinni apparently have no problem with this. Ohh wait , you guys know so much about steam. Did ya's ever solve the foaming problems?????NO!!!!!Does 40 never get excessive wheel slips out of the station all of the time???????YES but this could be poor handling, or just the grade. Dont judge the M&H from a video
Also MTC, I wouldnt brag about being on the NH&I as if thats Gods gift to railfans. It isnt and your cocky attitude only examplifies how the people at that place act.. Apparently if I mentioned that I was a student fireman, that I know something about steam.Also I work on a "real" railroad unlike some of these weekend railroaders such as yourself. You say you been there for 10 years. I left in 2001 and never turned my back. Also the M&H just brought back steam so give them a chance.
@maz323se Since when do engineers get fired for slipping the wheels bro? I want to know because i'm an engineer myself. A diesel engine with traction motors and steam engines are two different types of locomotive. A steam locomotive operates under steam pressure and can slip at anytime under wet weather conditions, it has nothing to do with throttle control. Are you sure you're a railroader?
@csx5400 lol, way to bring it back from the dead. Never said a crewmen could be fired for slipping wheels, but he can be disciplined for abusing equipment. Just watching a light locomotive breaking loose as easily as this one was, seemed a little over the top. BUT it wasnt until it was pointed out to me that they where on a grade + the wet weather that I caught my mistake in judgement. Like I said almost a year ago, I jumped to conclusions too danm fast.
chris bost is actually a good engineer. I totaly forgot about him. He had experience being from the R&N.Ross Rowland I met just once in my 2 years being there and I never saw him run but he seemed like a personable person.
The retard is the one commenting. Im a lisensced locomotive engineer and wheel slips happen regardless if its steam diesel or electric and for the record I use to work for the NH&I and there were and still are retards that work there. I left there in 01. Glad I did. They had a few good engineers like Frank V, and Pete(Mr.Clean) and Pete B, but the rest were questionable. Its funny one tourist railroad talking about another. Ha.
Chris Bost is one of my favorite engineers to fire for. In regards to Ross Rowland......no comment. BTW I agree with Frank V. Always a good time firing for him.
I've been on an alp-44 on a snowy day. Was only hauling 5 cars. Plenty of noticeable wheel slip & a tiny bit of slide when coming to a stop. Gives you that nice extra peppering of excitement!
Easy on the skinny pedal! lol I doupt he'd have fun replace those steel tires...gotta heat them up to pop them off the rim...then heat the new ones up to bang them on, when the steel cools and contracts, it holds the tire to the rim tighter than any bolt could.
Some people, just can't get the feel for the throttle. That might not be the case in this video, but you never know. At Edaville B&HR #7 had her wheels spun a lot by one engineer that couldn't get a feel for the throttle. I have had my hand on the throttle of a steam engine switching, and I found it pretty hard to slip the wheels, unless I actually tried to, which I haven't done, and hope I never do.
Sorry, I should have specified. It was in response to MTC1156. It kills me when I see people who have a limited knowledge of the operation of a steam locomotive "armchair engineer" a train. Also, why would another enthusiast pretty much ridicule the person who is putting on the show? These are the kind of things that give this hobby a black eye.
I a gree. I've ran steam al ready. and if you have the gift to hear the locomotive talk to you , It's hard to not slip when it rains just a little. Like in this video.
Not that I think MTC1156 would boast bout himself, but given that I have fired for him before I'd say he is a pretty good engineer and has a pretty good amount of knowledge of steam locomotives, and to add to that I have ran a steam locomotive before and slipped the drivers a couple times before, but nowhere near as much as the chap in this video seems to. ns2110 what steam locomotive have you ran?
I've never run a steam locomotive (but I have diesel) but that's not the fact of the matter. Don't call somebody a retard ("sorry we dont let retards operate 40 and beat the crap out of it like these idiots.i can understand a wheel slip from time to time on a grade but level rail? COME ON!!! ") whey they are obviously learning or making repairs. That's what give this hobby a black eye, stupid comments like that from weekend engineers with huge egos.
armchair engineer huh?limited knowledge?LOL .i highly doubt what is said on youtube gives the hobby a black eye!! if you dont like my comment thats just TOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD.now go away and cry to someone who cares.
No retards on 40? Lol...wow...I better keep my mouth shut, but this guy on 91 obviously has no clue what he's doing. I know the throttle was majorly fajed when we rebuilt her, but no telling if that was the case in this video. Scary either way.
Just for the record, there is actually a pretty decent grade coming up out of the Middletown yard, starting just past the Race Street crossing, to the industrial area around Levy Curve.
Don't forget, at the time this video was taken, #91 had just been returned to service. We don't know if the crews hadn't yet grown accustomed to running steam again, or if there was even a student fireman at the throttle for the switch moves. All I'm saying is, let's not jump to conclusions.
sorry we dont let retards operate 40 and beat the crap out of it like these idiots.i can understand a wheel slip from time to time on a grade but level rail? COME ON!!!
Are you kidding me? How the hell do you slip on level ground every single time you start? Talk about a inexpierience at it's best, what a retard. People like that shouldn't be anywhere near steam locomotives!
I like how the bell is rang so hard it actually swings 360 degrees twice. Rather ecstatic if you ask me. I also agree with maz323se on their point- the engineer obviously had no feel for the trottle.
TheStrasburg90 8 months ago
Sorry, correction. 5 or 6 times.
TheStrasburg90 7 months ago
i'll admit, wheelslips make some nice footage, but its bad on the engine. still nice video.
trainboy911 1 year ago
trainboy911 , It's not bad on the engine, it's bad on the tracks. It wears down the head of the rail and make flat spots.
Len.
Conrail6370 1 year ago
@Conrail6370 I have heard that on a steam locomotive that wheelslip causes colder air from outside to be sucked into the firebox and that could lead to cracked pipes. but yeah I didn't think about how this action affects the rails.
trainboy911 1 year ago
@Conrail6370 Actually yes it is bad for the locomotive. If you spin to much and/or to fast you can heat the tires up to the point where they will lose their fit on the wheel.
traindude109 5 months ago
@traindude109 I dont think they heat up THAT much...
TheStrasburg90 2 months ago
@TheStrasburg90 Actually yes they can and it has happened. Charles F. Steffes says in his book "Life & Times of a Locomotive Engineer" he was the engineer of a train on the SP out of Indio. He was on a long uphill grade going slowly and he fell asleep, but when he woke up the drivers were spinning so violently for a period of time they became red hot and the tires actually became displaced on the casting. The engine had to be towed back, So while not a common occurrence, no impossible either.
traindude109 2 months ago
@traindude109 While they install the tires, the tires are practically on fire. Steel is incredibly hard and doesnt expand at the drop of a hat.so unless fire was shooting from the tires, i highly doubt that.
TheStrasburg90 2 months ago
@TheStrasburg90 First off, yes it did happen, although quite rare. Secondly, the tires are not on fire, they are heated to a very high temperature to where it expands and is fitted over the casting and as it cools it forms a shrink fit. So if you have the drivers slipping violently for a long period of time they can heat up to a point where they lose their fit. This causes a heat buildup due to metal on metal friction. A perfect example of this is rubbing your hands together very quickly.
traindude109 2 months ago
@TheStrasburg90 Matt and I have worked on steam locomotives so if you need to listen, listen to us we don't know everything but enough to know what where talking about so if you want to listen to your foamer friends then do it if you don't want helpful advise, that will get you no where in the railroad world. Plus wired shit happens all the time on steam locomotives so you can't explain everything unless your there to figure it out.
BigBoyCarlos 2 months ago
if 89 and 91 are sisters, how come both locomotive look different? is 91 smaller? or is it just me? 89 looks bigger. i don't know.
pennyf9 1 year ago
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but did you make an "O" sound at 0:20?
I am a super fan of the 80's music, and your intro just sent me thru the roof!
MandavoshkaMajafaja 1 year ago
at :38 a hobo gets on the train!! OMG!!! tell the engineer to speed up so they can kick him out and teach him a lesson ;O
CSXboy1 2 years ago
Where you that HoBo?
Fred
Age 90
former railroad engineer for the UP.
SunnybrookBallroom 2 years ago
A HOBO I got that! It was the famous but slightly retarded Brian Bachman. He slept in 91's coal bunker too many times and the coalfumes broke his brain! I know because I was there as fireman that day. My student whom you saw entering the gangway by an unorthodox manner was named Mike McFlanahan and he was the best, at being a student that is under the Frankiedoo reichsctag!
JeffreyFefferlin 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure that wasn't a hobo, it was the fireman
thomasVSstewie 2 years ago
Seems to be a lot of engineers on here, huh?
seagraver 2 years ago
FYI all of you, the 91 has a VERY stiff throttle. To some extent this was remedied in her rebuild during summer 2007, but she still takes getting used to.
MandavoshkaMajafaja 2 years ago 2
what an R tard.. you have to really try to slip light power.. wow
kd7tqn 2 years ago
Its called to much throttle. To much steam to the cylinders is gonna cause a wheel slip! Steam engines are very touchy. Ive seen plenty of wheel spins on all kinds of steam locomotives in steam movies!
extremeweather09 2 years ago
yeah they are, ive driven one on one of my vacations
upnscale34 2 years ago
that is indeed wheel slippage a delicate hand on the throttle and sand is required here, add to the fact that 2-6-0 were not inherently balanced right so they were not as popular as the ever popular 4-4-0 or the high stepping 4-6-0 or the heavyweight 2-8-0
roninotakuknight 2 years ago
1st Part: Right.
2nd Part: WRONG.
2-6-0s were VERY Popular Locomotives that were Much more Versatile than 4-4-0s, and were Sturdy Freight haulers. Over 11,000 were Built in the USA.
They were Larger than 4-4-0s, Worked well with 4-6-0s, and were Smaller than 2-8-0s, but They were Practicably at Home on ANY Short Line, as well as any Big Railroad's Motive power Fleet.
Sampug394 2 years ago
Maybe the next question is what condition are the treads in? If they're worn out or basically not flat, you're not going to have a good contact area for traction. Diesels have the same issues if they aren't maintained well either.
kleetus92 3 years ago
Wasn't this right after the M&H had restored steam service? If so then it would probably explain the slipping, since the crew would have had to get used to working the throttle again.
SR722 3 years ago
Wow that's a lot of slip, lets see him snowplowing lol.
chappybolo 3 years ago
Ok, I didnt realize the grade, thats understandable, but even then, for a locomotive with no cars, that seems a little excessive for wheel spin. Im apperently just used to the heaveir steam.
maz323se 3 years ago
That engineer has no feel for the throttle at all. He would be gone in a heart beat if he was on our railroad. Thats no way to run equipment. And the whistle is distorted due to the quality of the film.
maz323se 3 years ago 2
It had just rain, the rails were wet. and its a slight gade there into the yard. and theres nothing wrong with the filming its the whistle.
Len.
Conrail6370 3 years ago
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DanielVolker 3 years ago
What railroad do you work for?
ghostengineer 2 years ago
maybe the question should be who do you work for?
mtc1156 2 years ago
actually if you checked my profile, you would notice that im a locomotive engineer for Amtrak. Prior to that I worked for Septa for 6 years, with 4 of them as an engineer and back years before that, I worked for NH&I as an AC and a student fireman, and even working in the shop on the coaches. I left after working on the 1127. So now what makes you an expert in railroading? What railroad do you work for again?
ghostengineer 2 years ago
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mtc1156 2 years ago
i dont have to sit here and brag about what railroad for here.,but i have plenty of experience in the field(alot with steam locomotives)if you worked at new hope then i am sure you might know me.whatever the case is this is just plain abuse to a ''steam''locomotive weather you believe it or not is up to you.
mtc1156 2 years ago
I have seen many of the engineers at the NH&I run old #40 very rough and had many wheel spins, so the NH&I isnt innocent of that as well.But its ok because Colonel Von Hessler and Paul Nicchinni apparently have no problem with this. Ohh wait , you guys know so much about steam. Did ya's ever solve the foaming problems?????NO!!!!!Does 40 never get excessive wheel slips out of the station all of the time???????YES but this could be poor handling, or just the grade. Dont judge the M&H from a video
ghostengineer 2 years ago 2
Also MTC, I wouldnt brag about being on the NH&I as if thats Gods gift to railfans. It isnt and your cocky attitude only examplifies how the people at that place act.. Apparently if I mentioned that I was a student fireman, that I know something about steam.Also I work on a "real" railroad unlike some of these weekend railroaders such as yourself. You say you been there for 10 years. I left in 2001 and never turned my back. Also the M&H just brought back steam so give them a chance.
ghostengineer 2 years ago
@maz323se
Pretentious much?
MandavoshkaMajafaja 1 year ago
@MandavoshkaMajafaja
Granted I jumped to conclusions, for that I admit false accusations. Wasnt ment to sound that way. Just didnt look justified from the video.
maz323se 1 year ago
@maz323se Since when do engineers get fired for slipping the wheels bro? I want to know because i'm an engineer myself. A diesel engine with traction motors and steam engines are two different types of locomotive. A steam locomotive operates under steam pressure and can slip at anytime under wet weather conditions, it has nothing to do with throttle control. Are you sure you're a railroader?
csx5400 8 months ago
@csx5400 lol, way to bring it back from the dead. Never said a crewmen could be fired for slipping wheels, but he can be disciplined for abusing equipment. Just watching a light locomotive breaking loose as easily as this one was, seemed a little over the top. BUT it wasnt until it was pointed out to me that they where on a grade + the wet weather that I caught my mistake in judgement. Like I said almost a year ago, I jumped to conclusions too danm fast.
maz323se 8 months ago
Okay, who Criscoed the rails? Smells like french fries every time she slips.
Dockshund 3 years ago
Weight till they pop a tire off the wheel doing that. I would fire that engineer on the spot!
dingeltoot 3 years ago
That wheel slip was on purpose, I'll bet - just for show.
Scowguy 3 years ago
A lightwieght loco and to much steam at starting equals wheel slip!
maddennis55 3 years ago
AWESOME... THANKS FOR POSTING!
safedriverpro 3 years ago
IS that locomotive a class O-9-a? because it sure looks like it. It looks much like No.7312.
NWRRSteamPower 3 years ago
It's a sister locomotive to Strasburg No. 89.
Len.
Conrail6370 3 years ago
No No.7312 in a 0-6-0 this is a 2-6-0.
david245611 3 years ago
Is this near Shrewsbury and Glen Rock PA?
KineticRic 3 years ago
Throttle bitch or not the result or outcomme is very nice. Thanks.
Supersteam video
*****
ejovadi 3 years ago
chris bost is actually a good engineer. I totaly forgot about him. He had experience being from the R&N.Ross Rowland I met just once in my 2 years being there and I never saw him run but he seemed like a personable person.
ghostengineer 3 years ago
The retard is the one commenting. Im a lisensced locomotive engineer and wheel slips happen regardless if its steam diesel or electric and for the record I use to work for the NH&I and there were and still are retards that work there. I left there in 01. Glad I did. They had a few good engineers like Frank V, and Pete(Mr.Clean) and Pete B, but the rest were questionable. Its funny one tourist railroad talking about another. Ha.
ghostengineer 3 years ago
Hey Ghost, Question? What did you think of Chris Bost and Ross Rowland?
Take care,
Len.
Conrail6370 3 years ago
Chris Bost is one of my favorite engineers to fire for. In regards to Ross Rowland......no comment. BTW I agree with Frank V. Always a good time firing for him.
OddlyEntertaining 3 years ago
I've been on an alp-44 on a snowy day. Was only hauling 5 cars. Plenty of noticeable wheel slip & a tiny bit of slide when coming to a stop. Gives you that nice extra peppering of excitement!
ibook133 3 years ago
looks like tweetsie 12
tweetsie12190 3 years ago
Seeing wheel spin is not fun for the crew, but it's a special treat to watch.
Chris9017 3 years ago 2
Easy on the skinny pedal! lol I doupt he'd have fun replace those steel tires...gotta heat them up to pop them off the rim...then heat the new ones up to bang them on, when the steel cools and contracts, it holds the tire to the rim tighter than any bolt could.
318Captain 4 years ago
Some people, just can't get the feel for the throttle. That might not be the case in this video, but you never know. At Edaville B&HR #7 had her wheels spun a lot by one engineer that couldn't get a feel for the throttle. I have had my hand on the throttle of a steam engine switching, and I found it pretty hard to slip the wheels, unless I actually tried to, which I haven't done, and hope I never do.
Joe
Joe2568 4 years ago
In the engineer's defense, the throttle on 91 is a bitch, and was even more so until we went over it this summer.
MandavoshkaMajafaja 4 years ago
But then again, there's still no excuse for all of that spinning....wtf!
MandavoshkaMajafaja 4 years ago
seems like a sticky throttle valve
mikes47jeep 4 years ago
thats cool that track sounds pretty bad.
bnsfatsf 4 years ago
Ns 2110, who are you asking this question to?
Len.
Conrail6370 4 years ago
Sorry, I should have specified. It was in response to MTC1156. It kills me when I see people who have a limited knowledge of the operation of a steam locomotive "armchair engineer" a train. Also, why would another enthusiast pretty much ridicule the person who is putting on the show? These are the kind of things that give this hobby a black eye.
ns2110 4 years ago
I a gree. I've ran steam al ready. and if you have the gift to hear the locomotive talk to you , It's hard to not slip when it rains just a little. Like in this video.
Len.
Conrail6370 4 years ago
Not that I think MTC1156 would boast bout himself, but given that I have fired for him before I'd say he is a pretty good engineer and has a pretty good amount of knowledge of steam locomotives, and to add to that I have ran a steam locomotive before and slipped the drivers a couple times before, but nowhere near as much as the chap in this video seems to. ns2110 what steam locomotive have you ran?
OddlyEntertaining 4 years ago
I've never run a steam locomotive (but I have diesel) but that's not the fact of the matter. Don't call somebody a retard ("sorry we dont let retards operate 40 and beat the crap out of it like these idiots.i can understand a wheel slip from time to time on a grade but level rail? COME ON!!! ") whey they are obviously learning or making repairs. That's what give this hobby a black eye, stupid comments like that from weekend engineers with huge egos.
ns2110 4 years ago
armchair engineer huh?limited knowledge?LOL .i highly doubt what is said on youtube gives the hobby a black eye!! if you dont like my comment thats just TOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD.now go away and cry to someone who cares.
mtc1156 2 years ago
So tell me, which railroad do you work for? Armchair Railroad I'm guessing?
ns2110 4 years ago
Nice railfan video.
dutchtrainmanserie22 4 years ago
No retards on 40? Lol...wow...I better keep my mouth shut, but this guy on 91 obviously has no clue what he's doing. I know the throttle was majorly fajed when we rebuilt her, but no telling if that was the case in this video. Scary either way.
MandavoshkaMajafaja 4 years ago
I only hope some day I could film No. 91 again. It's a shame they don't uses her.
Conrail6370 4 years ago
Len, she will be running September 29-30, October 20-21, and 27-28 this fall.
railroadfan 4 years ago
Just for the record, there is actually a pretty decent grade coming up out of the Middletown yard, starting just past the Race Street crossing, to the industrial area around Levy Curve.
Don't forget, at the time this video was taken, #91 had just been returned to service. We don't know if the crews hadn't yet grown accustomed to running steam again, or if there was even a student fireman at the throttle for the switch moves. All I'm saying is, let's not jump to conclusions.
railroadfan 4 years ago
Sounds like New hope and Ivyland 40.
buggiecar 4 years ago
sorry we dont let retards operate 40 and beat the crap out of it like these idiots.i can understand a wheel slip from time to time on a grade but level rail? COME ON!!!
mtc1156 4 years ago
I know 40 doesn't operate here. I just said it sounds like it
buggiecar 4 years ago
very very true. lol.
Conrail6370 4 years ago
Are you kidding me? How the hell do you slip on level ground every single time you start? Talk about a inexpierience at it's best, what a retard. People like that shouldn't be anywhere near steam locomotives!
RustyMetalBoxes 4 years ago