Great video! I love vintage operating systems, I frequently use Geos on the C64 and AmigaOS 3.9 on my Amiga 1200. It's really nice to get a visual timeline of how operating systems evolved over time. Thanks for the great video!
yes Internet Explorer 5.1.x was a Beta product and shipped with Mac OS X 10.0 versions, Safari was not released until beta about the time of Mac OS X 10.2.8 It was not final until after Mac OS X 10.3 shipped. Between Mac OS X 10.1 and 10.3.9 there was a lot of browser competition on the platform. People used Camino, Firefox, Netscape, Mozilla (now Seamonkey), iCab, and OmniWeb (which comes from the NeXTSTEP platform)
I think this video is new enough to have seen KDE 4.x we are already on 4.7 and Gnome 3.x still not out but I think is new enough to show stuff like Compiz.
The first system I have worked with was Windows 3.1 in 1994. I can't believe all this years passed and the technology has been changed that much in this few years. It is like it was just yesterday.
@sentidocomunve... yes...microsoft internet explorer is used by mac ox since 1997 (When steve jobs return to apple)... before changing their default browser to safari...
@qwrasw and yet still nobody used it. I remember the first thing the tech would do at the school library after reinstalling mac os 10.2 on the G3 computers was remove internet explorer from the dock on all the computers.
@JoshFilm1 i think the reason why he didnt put it in there is because those versions of windows me, windows 2000, and windows NT never existed in his country
@JoshFilm1 It was about gui evolution, NT4, ME and 2k had virtually identical guis, so what would be the point of showing them? And i can think of about two dozens other guis he didn't show, some of them very important ones like CDE... you didn't really expect this to be an painstakingly complete display off all guis ever made, right?
Also, learn some manners... calling someone an idiot because he/she didn't serve your fanboyism is really immature.
@BranislavDJ Try dosbox. It is an DOS-on-x86 emulator that runs most old dos games. It is free and available on all major platforms inculding all recent and not so recent Windows versions.
@hectorae86: I had both back in the day. They are almost nothing alike on the technology lever or on the user experience level. I won't comment as to which one is better or worse but I can assure you that NEXTSTEP stole nothing from the Amiga.
@imccoury I have used Windows 7 from Alpha through beta, every single build, back when it looked like windows vista, up until now. At no time did it ever look like that.
@Hagbard64 I loved my Amiga, but this is a UI video. The UI didn't change much from 2.0 to 3.1. Mods did make it much prettier, but it didn't come that way. Any release past 3.1 hasn't made much impact in the computing world. I am glad to see it included at all.
They had the M-13 supercomputer. It was more than two times faster than the previous record holder(the Cray X-MP4): 2.4GFlops vs 0.9GFlops, and also, the first GigaFlop supercomputer in the world...
You're correct "jesuisinnocent", system 7 (released on May 13, 1991) had the digital clock before Windows 95 - forward thinking Apple.
But what Windows 95 did was allow users to know exactly where their windows are and to allow full control over them, there's no denying that.
I stil have to educate my Windows-user-sister how to navigate through multiple windows in Tiger through exposé. She just expects all the open windows to show in the dock (like in Taskbar) to easily find and open again.
The Xerox Star is the Star of the whole show, it showed the future of personal computing, but the Xerox high men didn't persue it to out-develop and out-price Microsoft and Apple.
Windows 95 was one of the biggest leap forward for any OS, even Apple latter got inspired from it (window minimise/maximise/close buttons and clock on the menu bar). But what about Leopard, it's contribution influenced Microsoft to adapt a more functional side menu (not Folders / AKA File Manger) on it's Windows Explorer Application.
@LukasUtopia The clock is on the menu bar since the very first version of system 7, they had bought up some third party shareware clock thing that worked on system 6. There was no such thing as a "minimise" button before OS X, all it did was "roll" the window to its title bar. There has never been anything known as "maximising" either, it's more a "adapt the window's size to its content" button and it's been there for ever.
Try 20 years. Windows only started to use large "dock" application icons in windows 7 to allow the OS to be used far more easily by finger touch in future tablets instead of going through that non-finger-touch-friendly start menu, and to maybe look more attractive and easier to use.
There are few poits what have moved the whole computer world ahead.
1. Xerox star. It is still almost better than anything what has got done after that.
2. GEM. It was ahead of it time. It could have win easily Mac OS or Windows but the corporation did not take a risk to spend money for it marketing and it died slowly and alone. Even it was very innovative in many ways.
3. NeXTStep. It brought lots of ideas to current GUI's.
@gibs2b Bill Atkinson did not invent the menubar. Apple copied even that from Xerox what used such in first GUI. But not even not that is first one, the CLI UI's have had menubars since early 70's. They were drop-down lists in text-editors and similars. The functionality stayed same, the outlook just changed and placement. Like in CLI programs it was top, on Xerox it was placed to top in window decoration, in first Mac systems it was placed top of the desktop.
@gibs2b I already said where you can find it. Google Xerox Star. The toolbar has normal actions but drop-down menus as well. All in same bar.
The difference is that Apple invented the shortcuts (LISA team) for menu entries but in Xerox Star they were physical buttons in the keyboard on left/right side. Star developers just wanted to limit the drop-down menus amount because they were bad. But there were few and as I said, earlier CLI programs had them as well. Apple just made one universal bar.
I have seen the 2 videos on youtube covering the UI of Xerox Star and they don't show ANY MENUBAR. I don't want to fight with you, it's not the goal, but you are telling bullshit...I invit you to read historic documents about the UI, not just repeating what you friends told you or whatever...Mentioning kde as inovative is a non sense too...the goal of kde was to do an UI close to Windows 95...That's why most of Linux users at that time were prefering....
@gibs2b YOU have seen VIDEOS.... I have USED... do you know differences? As I said, the menubars were there, but basic idea was to have all functions to be shown for easier UI. And you really are talking bull* about KDE as well. You seem not even ever used KDE (1.x-3.x), or KDE SC either when you say that.
@TheFri13 So...you can't find a video or a screenshot of Star with the menubar on the whole internet...right ? or something where I can read that the menubar was on Star ? So it's from Bill Atkinson! I invit you to type "Bill Atkinson menu bar on google" (I had probably used kde 1.x before you, I had to compil it myself a lot of time as it wasn't even packaged)
@gibs2b There are thousands of screenshots (polaroids really) showing a menus. Oh.compiled yourself.right....like I did when I followed it development and participated with ideas. So thats why KDE looks like Win95? Should I be impressed that you compiled from source yourself?
Google xerox-star-8010-05 . jpg. And as I said already, Xeros wanted to limit the drop-down menus amount and keep menus simple where all entries was visible, but they still used menus. Star was all about WIMP.
@TheFri13 1/ like CDE, FMVM etc KDE look like MS WIN if you compare what has been done before on Unix ! 2/ I don"t try to impress yourselft 3/ Your picture don't show any menu bar.
If the system of the "menu bar" (Which I never seen) was so great in Star, why don't we use it nowdays ? Instead on Gnome, Kde, Amiga OS, MorphOS etc I can see something closer than Apple System 1.0 than what you are trying to call a menu bar and that you fail to show me...
@gibs2b KDE was very important in the ideas and functions and you would understand that if you would have used Win95, System 7/8, Amiga, C64, AtariST, KDE, GNOME etc.
Star was very innovative, they had lots of functions what we do not have even today because they were thrown away because eye-candy. Star presented GUI, mouse, menus, icons, windowses. All is very well explained how they designed the GUI for normal users to handle files so the menu shows always all functions and nothing is hided.
@TheFri13 I have used and I still own all those computers (Macintosh 68k, Atari 520ST, Amiga, C64c) with their OS...
And I'm agree that Star was innovative but...
You don't answer the question which is : "Where is the menu bar on Star" ? because if Bill Aktinston hasn't invented the menu bar we should correct it.
@gibs2b And you must be totally mistaking that drop-down and pop-up menus are subsets of the menus itself. The Star was first what shown the WIMP interface. LISA was first commercic success to bring WIMP to world with own small changes (like the universal menubar what was not tied to applications like earlier. Argument was that it was few times faster than menu what was tied to window itself. I have a old bankin application floppy from 1979 whats program has drop-down menus as many programs had.
@gibs2b You must be totally blind that you can not see menubar in Star. It is even in this video first screenshot shown. And no, you can not see that because I do not have anymore 8" floppydrive what to use. And I must say I do not even believe it would work with DR-DOS or FreeDOS as it did with CP/M. I do not even know does that floppy even work is it demagnetised totally. Last time it was used was -81 when the bank was joined to other bank.
@TheFri13 You should be blind too, the 1st one is the Alto...
I thought that you were going to say that your myterious floppy was a secret gift by the NASA but no...you're not able to show it....Well, thank you for sharing your knowledge and don't forget to correct wikipedia because also there, it's written that atkinson invented the menubar...
And me, I'm going to buy a pair of glasses because I can't see a "menu bar: (apple system X, gem, workbench, osx, gnome, morphos, aros) on the 1st sshot.
@gibs2b Ha ha, you are so funny... mysterious... You really do not even understand that people and companies did have computers many years before LISA or first PC. And I do not care what wikipedia say... For big group of people, Apple invented GUI and Apple invented mouse and so on. I do not care what they believe. It is not about WHO invented what, but WHO brought it to media so they got their name to history. Early computer ages are "well" hidden.
@gibs2b My mistake the first screenshot, because when I scrolled back, first one after the video start was the Star screenshot. But it still has WIMP UI. (If you even know what WIMP is). And you demanded a screenshot or video what I said I can not profide because I do not have hardware to open disk. And even if I would have, the program would not work. And now you are trying to ask that I should send a photo having a 8" floppy in it box? Dont be so naive.
@TheFri13 The first time I heard about the WIMP, it was in 83-84 on the French Mag "Hebdogiciel": they are all scanned on the web if you want to verify...at this time I was on my Speccy (with no WIMP) and I guess you were not born.
At first, I wanted to believe you, I don't pretend to know the truth, but you were not able to show me, and you insist without any proof. I guess you're some kind of lamer (like we called them in the eighties) but at least... congrats for your 2 tutorial vids.
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Windows 7 didnt come out of Beta until October 09, nobody made themes before December 09 and since this is video is dated July 09, that means the picture is older, meaning you just made up that excuse to sound like you knew more about windows 7, but I have been using this since the Pre-betas of 2008, i know more than you by 40 fold little cock muncher
I'm surprised that Windows NT or 2000 didn't make it in. For Windows while it did look the same, it was significant for Window's evolution from becoming reliant on DOS like Windows 9x and 3.x was.
@Firestorm2900: Because this is a video about the evolution of the graphical user interface, which, as you say, didn't change significantly with Windows NT or 2000.
@mydimle Aero came with Windows Vista (OS was NT v.6.0) and it is shown there. Compiz came 2003 but it did not belong to any desktop environment and you could not use it alone as window manager (even Compiz is such) like OpenBox. The Compiz-Fusion does not belong to GNOME, KDE SC or any other and it does not bring any UI itself.
Even back in 1998 KDE looked years ahead of its time
Melodycat918 2 weeks ago
Donde esta Leopard?
luchogusta 1 month ago
Olvidaste El Windows 2000
celinayadan 1 month ago
where's linux?
eivis13 1 month ago
@eivis13 -_- Didn't you notice the KDE or GNOME? Or you just don't know anything about Linux-distributions.
Nikiz001 1 month ago
@Nikiz001 i chose option 1 ;D
eivis13 1 month ago
@eivis13 There was Gnome and KDE...
GUTHIX4EVER 4 weeks ago
U missed windows me and windows 2000 mac os 8.x mac os 9.x and other mac
BLASR24 2 months ago
Windows 95 was the first OS I had in my first PC desktop computer in 1998.
Spent 4 years with it.
Bastylax86 2 months ago
Amiga Workbench was a great OS. No memory leaks and no random system crashes. Although the video is not complete, it is a great video :-)
tommycarstensen 2 months ago
"nothing ever changes" excellent song choice
deadballo 2 months ago 4
Um wrong windows xp was 2003 and where is windows 2000?
RColwillMusic 2 months ago
@RColwillMusic 2003? Windows xp is 2001! Windows server is 2003.
PhotoshopFunStudio 2 months ago
FAIL at Windws 7
MrChiknmanISBACK 2 months ago 9
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Seasonicful 3 weeks ago
That's not... Windows 7... ⌐_⌐
BrandonC3 2 months ago
lol the xerox star's GUI looks like windows 7 explorer...
xkiller213 2 months ago
put mac os lion in there, no contest
runrunforest1 2 months ago
Too FAST.
Hitasssss 2 months ago 2
Thank god he didnt put GNOME 3 in here!
cartertevin5 3 months ago
oh man.. you wasted the video with fake Win7.. :/ interesting anyway
SmokeyCZ 3 months ago
Great video! I love vintage operating systems, I frequently use Geos on the C64 and AmigaOS 3.9 on my Amiga 1200. It's really nice to get a visual timeline of how operating systems evolved over time. Thanks for the great video!
KorgAddict1 3 months ago
Xerox was 11 years ahead of the game...
BizzMarki 3 months ago
yes Internet Explorer 5.1.x was a Beta product and shipped with Mac OS X 10.0 versions, Safari was not released until beta about the time of Mac OS X 10.2.8 It was not final until after Mac OS X 10.3 shipped. Between Mac OS X 10.1 and 10.3.9 there was a lot of browser competition on the platform. People used Camino, Firefox, Netscape, Mozilla (now Seamonkey), iCab, and OmniWeb (which comes from the NeXTSTEP platform)
gshicks 3 months ago
NeXTSTEP 10 years in the future!
VOLKO1 3 months ago
Interms of Aesthetics and visual design, NeXT OS was way ahead of it's time.
Neojhun 3 months ago
Great video...but where's Ubuntu? Surely that system is part of the GUI evolution?
CajunGypsy 3 months ago
@CajunGypsy : Ubuntu can use Gnome or KDE, these were in this video.
tonyinspokane 3 months ago
No KDE 4.x and Gnome 3.x
I think this video is new enough to have seen KDE 4.x we are already on 4.7 and Gnome 3.x still not out but I think is new enough to show stuff like Compiz.
Jzarecta 3 months ago
windows 3.x and Windows 95 was the basis of windows we know today. it hasn't changed in 15 years...and counting
ejzllanes96 3 months ago 2
The first system I have worked with was Windows 3.1 in 1994. I can't believe all this years passed and the technology has been changed that much in this few years. It is like it was just yesterday.
TomiTom1234 3 months ago
You forgot NT 2000.
And then there was Me, the buggy 9x.
Sismiques 3 months ago
This video moves so damn fast.
capnbarfy 3 months ago
Where is the Aqua GUI ?
darkdevil905 4 months ago
wow next was a huge step
fancyasian 4 months ago
what is the music?
vitekcom2 4 months ago
@vitekcom2 It sounds like a remix of the band Placebo. The music sounds nothing like them, but I can definitely hear their lead singer.
jacobbielarski 3 months ago
i just love it, how most of the UI's copied apple's UI, (in the begin of the video)
sonicdremgenesis 5 months ago
Where can I get that panel on the bottom of Windows 7?
KlarkSittuem 5 months ago
Slides go by WAY too fast >_>
codeythesilent 5 months ago 2
next everything reverts to tiled layouts & ZUI-switching for touchscreens with 3d hardware
walter0bz 5 months ago
That's totes Placebo
RunLikeHellIV 5 months ago
1992 had workbench 3...
copiga 6 months ago
MAC OSX is heavily based on NextStep
Graham6410 6 months ago
miss*
EmilioPin 6 months ago
How did you missed the most last important OS from mac: leopard (at least until 2009)
EmilioPin 6 months ago
BeOS forever!
andreykrasnov 6 months ago
windows nice
apple and linux shit!
funyoude 6 months ago
Atari ST ;O
Krisando 7 months ago
I understand X-based desktop enviornments are in there, but why did you skip over X's desktop implementation with twm all together?
jjsullivan5196 7 months ago
You missed Panther and Leopard
4izm0v 7 months ago
Mac os x still looks the same after 10 years
blackflarez 7 months ago
LO QUE MUESTRAS AL FINAL NO ES WINDOWS 7 !!!
avecesar91 8 months ago
Gnome3???
muzaklover78 8 months ago
where's Windows ME?
plord28 8 months ago
2011 Gnome 3... Shah Mat
VOLKO1 8 months ago
BeOS rules!!! There is one distro ZevenOS 3.0 (based on Ubuntu) that have gui very similar to gui of BeOS.
rapsod1911 8 months ago
Windows XP looked like you stepped into the future just because of the background and all of the color.
KedViper 9 months ago
@thork420gonsam well i said it may be a phony picture.
imccoury 9 months ago
Made by a Linuxfanboy... Where are the MAC OS 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5 10.6???
mrrandyrockhard 9 months ago
Internet Explorer on 2001MacOS X? 1:02
O_ó
sentidocomunve 9 months ago 15
@sentidocomunve indeed, it feels like windows pooping on steve jobs's head doesn't it
MatthiasDuyck 6 months ago
@sentidocomunve... yes...microsoft internet explorer is used by mac ox since 1997 (When steve jobs return to apple)... before changing their default browser to safari...
miguelclottey 5 months ago
@sentidocomunve well yeah, microsoft and apple shared a lot of software in those days.
May I remind you that microsoft office was first packaged for Mac OS
jjsullivan5196 4 months ago
@sentidocomunve inernet explorer want just locked to windows, then you could get it for mac as it was one of the few internet browsers
RhodderzX 4 months ago
@sentidocomunve
yes, Internet explore was the deafult browser for all mac from 1997 to 2003.
Mastermind12358 3 months ago
@sentidocomunve Yeah, before i think osx, apple didn't have safari and so microsoft made a browser for it.
xXteckdeckxX 3 months ago
@sentidocomunve IE was the standard browser on OS X at the time..
PhinlaxXD 3 months ago
@sentidocomunve internet explorer was the default browser on macs until 2003, when safari entered the computer world
54321thedeathbed 3 months ago
@sentidocomunve Yeah that was normal.
MalismDK 2 months ago
@sentidocomunve yes, and safari is a better version of that... do u know weel the apple story?
uscorp3 2 months ago
@sentidocomunve Internet Explorer was the default browser for macintoshes at that time.
qwrasw 1 month ago
@qwrasw and yet still nobody used it. I remember the first thing the tech would do at the school library after reinstalling mac os 10.2 on the G3 computers was remove internet explorer from the dock on all the computers.
oldVideoGamesChannel 1 month ago
you forgot
win me
win2000
winNT
you idiot!
JoshFilm1 10 months ago
@JoshFilm1 i think the reason why he didnt put it in there is because those versions of windows me, windows 2000, and windows NT never existed in his country
TheWilliamMaster 10 months ago
@TheWilliamMaster Those versions of windows did not change the GUI much. This video is about GUI evolution.
starsiegeplayer 9 months ago
@JoshFilm1 It was about gui evolution, NT4, ME and 2k had virtually identical guis, so what would be the point of showing them? And i can think of about two dozens other guis he didn't show, some of them very important ones like CDE... you didn't really expect this to be an painstakingly complete display off all guis ever made, right?
Also, learn some manners... calling someone an idiot because he/she didn't serve your fanboyism is really immature.
elsaeraser 9 months ago
@JoshFilm1
Win Me = Pretty much exactly the same as Win 95 but with updated graphics
Win NT = Same as Win 95 but with better network functionality
Win 2000 = Probably should have been included but was quickly replaced by Win XP anyways
crocodile2006 8 months ago
and i still run windows 98...
TheWilliamMaster 10 months ago 6
@TheWilliamMaster
I run my XP.
But I might buy old Pentium 3 so I can run old DOS games on it.
:p
Sadly,I will also, have to install Win 7,since many new games need DirectX 10 which is not supported by XP.
:(
BranislavDJ 10 months ago
@BranislavDJ Try dosbox. It is an DOS-on-x86 emulator that runs most old dos games. It is free and available on all major platforms inculding all recent and not so recent Windows versions.
elsaeraser 9 months ago
@elsaeraser
Well thank you.
:3
But still I might buy old PC,so I can use it as my Web Site server.
:P
BranislavDJ 9 months ago
you forgot windows 2000
TheWilliamMaster 10 months ago
NeXTSTEP WINS!!!!
SilverBullet93GT 10 months ago
WTF no Mac OS X 10.1-.2-.3-.4-.5-.6??
dewicadat 11 months ago
0:58 Is that really the first GNOME? Ouch. The newer one is MUCH user-friendlier than that.
rinkavideos64 11 months ago
2001 mac style is the same as 2011 everything except the doc, the exit is the same same grey same icons same thing at the top same scroll bar
freaky0900 11 months ago
@hectorae86: I had both back in the day. They are almost nothing alike on the technology lever or on the user experience level. I won't comment as to which one is better or worse but I can assure you that NEXTSTEP stole nothing from the Amiga.
gamemaster7311 11 months ago
@BorkGonsam you have to keep in mind windows 7 was a beta back then
or who knows it may be a phony picture
imccoury 11 months ago
@imccoury I have used Windows 7 from Alpha through beta, every single build, back when it looked like windows vista, up until now. At no time did it ever look like that.
thork420gonsam 11 months ago
amigaOS was the only with multitasking and first with full colour capabilities...
maxideia 1 year ago
RIP BeOS. :( Too bad. Had a real pretty interface going there.
sirrvs 1 year ago
you forgot amigaOS3.1, 3.5, 3.9, 4.0 and 4.1
Hagbard64 1 year ago
@Hagbard64 I loved my Amiga, but this is a UI video. The UI didn't change much from 2.0 to 3.1. Mods did make it much prettier, but it didn't come that way. Any release past 3.1 hasn't made much impact in the computing world. I am glad to see it included at all.
Tubeglowfun 1 year ago
it seemed to be much more competition before... now the most typical OS are
Mac OS X Windows or Linux...
argba1636 1 year ago
What are all the addons being used on the Windows 7 pic? They look really nice, doesn't look like Rainmeter though.
THEbeefcake122 1 year ago
does anyone notice how much of a step backwards windows 1.0 was? and how similar Mac OS 1.0 looked to Xerox Star? @microsoft: if you copy, copy WELL!
DeepDuh 1 year ago
The Mac OS has evolved a lot since the screen shot that you have representing it.
MaddTheSane 1 year ago
FenrirLupus,
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what is the name of computer in ussr russia
bestamerica 1 year ago
Minesweeper hasn't changed at all
dolph123454321 1 year ago
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wow american computers are so great computers history from 1980' s to now,,,
ussr russia is NONE have a good computer like america do and old technology
bestamerica 1 year ago
@bestamerica
They had the M-13 supercomputer. It was more than two times faster than the previous record holder(the Cray X-MP4): 2.4GFlops vs 0.9GFlops, and also, the first GigaFlop supercomputer in the world...
BTW, do a little research before comment...
themagicayrtonsenna 1 year ago
0:42
Look, it's my old buddy DOS!
Oh DOS, how are the save games of Duke Nukem 3D I left on you treating ya?
frickfrock999 1 year ago
whats that on the windows 7 screen shoot??? whats the name of this "style" or what ever this is?? or is this just a big fake??
FlipidusX 1 year ago
You're correct "jesuisinnocent", system 7 (released on May 13, 1991) had the digital clock before Windows 95 - forward thinking Apple.
But what Windows 95 did was allow users to know exactly where their windows are and to allow full control over them, there's no denying that.
I stil have to educate my Windows-user-sister how to navigate through multiple windows in Tiger through exposé. She just expects all the open windows to show in the dock (like in Taskbar) to easily find and open again.
LukasUtopia 1 year ago
gnome > kde
MetalShreader 1 year ago
@MetalShreader Plasma > Gnome Shell
Keruaran 1 year ago
@supadupa2525 Ubuntu > Windows 7
Squallar1 1 year ago
@supadupa2525
Ubuntu = KDE / Gnome
Dashing1256 1 year ago
The Xerox Star is the Star of the whole show, it showed the future of personal computing, but the Xerox high men didn't persue it to out-develop and out-price Microsoft and Apple.
LukasUtopia 1 year ago
Windows 95 was one of the biggest leap forward for any OS, even Apple latter got inspired from it (window minimise/maximise/close buttons and clock on the menu bar). But what about Leopard, it's contribution influenced Microsoft to adapt a more functional side menu (not Folders / AKA File Manger) on it's Windows Explorer Application.
LukasUtopia 1 year ago
@LukasUtopia The clock is on the menu bar since the very first version of system 7, they had bought up some third party shareware clock thing that worked on system 6. There was no such thing as a "minimise" button before OS X, all it did was "roll" the window to its title bar. There has never been anything known as "maximising" either, it's more a "adapt the window's size to its content" button and it's been there for ever.
jesuisinnocent 1 year ago
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LukasUtopia 1 year ago
Try 20 years. Windows only started to use large "dock" application icons in windows 7 to allow the OS to be used far more easily by finger touch in future tablets instead of going through that non-finger-touch-friendly start menu, and to maybe look more attractive and easier to use.
LukasUtopia 1 year ago
18 years of evolution and windows still looks like shit, microsoft forever playing catch-up
bobbytomorow 1 year ago
Lol idiot Windows 7 does far not look like that, and it came out in late 2008, so youre propably fucking lazy or just a dumb ass.
hunhistory 1 year ago
Mac OS X was a big step in the evolution...
vanhalenbr 1 year ago 12
@vanhalenbr It was probably the first time GUI was more practical than text interface.
Retardretroguy 5 months ago
@vanhalenbr So was vista... NOT!
sebasrobot55 5 months ago
@vanhalenbr Windows 95 is definitely the biggest step.
Deathwish874 3 months ago
You forgot Mac OS X Snow Leopard. It was released before Windows 7. In August I think.
MacTech4ever95 1 year ago
music
545arthur 1 year ago
música
545arthur 1 year ago
I'm missing MS Bob ;)
cochin42 1 year ago
What`s that music in background ?
hackdax 1 year ago
There are few poits what have moved the whole computer world ahead.
1. Xerox star. It is still almost better than anything what has got done after that.
2. GEM. It was ahead of it time. It could have win easily Mac OS or Windows but the corporation did not take a risk to spend money for it marketing and it died slowly and alone. Even it was very innovative in many ways.
3. NeXTStep. It brought lots of ideas to current GUI's.
4. OS/2
5. KDE 1.0
TheFri13 1 year ago
@TheFri13 ...and everyday you are using the "menubar" from Bill Atkinson (Apple)
gibs2b 1 year ago
@gibs2b Bill Atkinson did not invent the menubar. Apple copied even that from Xerox what used such in first GUI. But not even not that is first one, the CLI UI's have had menubars since early 70's. They were drop-down lists in text-editors and similars. The functionality stayed same, the outlook just changed and placement. Like in CLI programs it was top, on Xerox it was placed to top in window decoration, in first Mac systems it was placed top of the desktop.
TheFri13 1 year ago
@TheFri13 ah yes ? show me a Xerox OS with a menu bar please...
gibs2b 1 year ago
@gibs2b I already said where you can find it. Google Xerox Star. The toolbar has normal actions but drop-down menus as well. All in same bar.
The difference is that Apple invented the shortcuts (LISA team) for menu entries but in Xerox Star they were physical buttons in the keyboard on left/right side. Star developers just wanted to limit the drop-down menus amount because they were bad. But there were few and as I said, earlier CLI programs had them as well. Apple just made one universal bar.
TheFri13 1 year ago
@TheFri13 You have no answer that's it !
I have seen the 2 videos on youtube covering the UI of Xerox Star and they don't show ANY MENUBAR. I don't want to fight with you, it's not the goal, but you are telling bullshit...I invit you to read historic documents about the UI, not just repeating what you friends told you or whatever...Mentioning kde as inovative is a non sense too...the goal of kde was to do an UI close to Windows 95...That's why most of Linux users at that time were prefering....
gibs2b 1 year ago
@gibs2b YOU have seen VIDEOS.... I have USED... do you know differences? As I said, the menubars were there, but basic idea was to have all functions to be shown for easier UI. And you really are talking bull* about KDE as well. You seem not even ever used KDE (1.x-3.x), or KDE SC either when you say that.
TheFri13 1 year ago
@TheFri13 So...you can't find a video or a screenshot of Star with the menubar on the whole internet...right ? or something where I can read that the menubar was on Star ? So it's from Bill Atkinson! I invit you to type "Bill Atkinson menu bar on google" (I had probably used kde 1.x before you, I had to compil it myself a lot of time as it wasn't even packaged)
gibs2b 1 year ago
@gibs2b There are thousands of screenshots (polaroids really) showing a menus. Oh.compiled yourself.right....like I did when I followed it development and participated with ideas. So thats why KDE looks like Win95? Should I be impressed that you compiled from source yourself?
Google xerox-star-8010-05 . jpg. And as I said already, Xeros wanted to limit the drop-down menus amount and keep menus simple where all entries was visible, but they still used menus. Star was all about WIMP.
TheFri13 1 year ago
@TheFri13 1/ like CDE, FMVM etc KDE look like MS WIN if you compare what has been done before on Unix ! 2/ I don"t try to impress yourselft 3/ Your picture don't show any menu bar.
If the system of the "menu bar" (Which I never seen) was so great in Star, why don't we use it nowdays ? Instead on Gnome, Kde, Amiga OS, MorphOS etc I can see something closer than Apple System 1.0 than what you are trying to call a menu bar and that you fail to show me...
Can't you just admit that you are wrong ?
gibs2b 1 year ago
@gibs2b KDE was very important in the ideas and functions and you would understand that if you would have used Win95, System 7/8, Amiga, C64, AtariST, KDE, GNOME etc.
Star was very innovative, they had lots of functions what we do not have even today because they were thrown away because eye-candy. Star presented GUI, mouse, menus, icons, windowses. All is very well explained how they designed the GUI for normal users to handle files so the menu shows always all functions and nothing is hided.
TheFri13 1 year ago
@TheFri13 I have used and I still own all those computers (Macintosh 68k, Atari 520ST, Amiga, C64c) with their OS...
And I'm agree that Star was innovative but...
You don't answer the question which is : "Where is the menu bar on Star" ? because if Bill Aktinston hasn't invented the menu bar we should correct it.
gibs2b 1 year ago
@gibs2b And you must be totally mistaking that drop-down and pop-up menus are subsets of the menus itself. The Star was first what shown the WIMP interface. LISA was first commercic success to bring WIMP to world with own small changes (like the universal menubar what was not tied to applications like earlier. Argument was that it was few times faster than menu what was tied to window itself. I have a old bankin application floppy from 1979 whats program has drop-down menus as many programs had.
TheFri13 1 year ago
@TheFri13 go on the toastytech website, they show a LOT of screenshot of the Star, not one with a "menu bar".
ok can we see this banking application from 1979 ?
gibs2b 1 year ago
@gibs2b You must be totally blind that you can not see menubar in Star. It is even in this video first screenshot shown. And no, you can not see that because I do not have anymore 8" floppydrive what to use. And I must say I do not even believe it would work with DR-DOS or FreeDOS as it did with CP/M. I do not even know does that floppy even work is it demagnetised totally. Last time it was used was -81 when the bank was joined to other bank.
TheFri13 1 year ago
@TheFri13 You should be blind too, the 1st one is the Alto...
I thought that you were going to say that your myterious floppy was a secret gift by the NASA but no...you're not able to show it....Well, thank you for sharing your knowledge and don't forget to correct wikipedia because also there, it's written that atkinson invented the menubar...
And me, I'm going to buy a pair of glasses because I can't see a "menu bar: (apple system X, gem, workbench, osx, gnome, morphos, aros) on the 1st sshot.
gibs2b 1 year ago
@gibs2b Ha ha, you are so funny... mysterious... You really do not even understand that people and companies did have computers many years before LISA or first PC. And I do not care what wikipedia say... For big group of people, Apple invented GUI and Apple invented mouse and so on. I do not care what they believe. It is not about WHO invented what, but WHO brought it to media so they got their name to history. Early computer ages are "well" hidden.
TheFri13 1 year ago
@gibs2b My mistake the first screenshot, because when I scrolled back, first one after the video start was the Star screenshot. But it still has WIMP UI. (If you even know what WIMP is). And you demanded a screenshot or video what I said I can not profide because I do not have hardware to open disk. And even if I would have, the program would not work. And now you are trying to ask that I should send a photo having a 8" floppy in it box? Dont be so naive.
TheFri13 1 year ago
@TheFri13 The first time I heard about the WIMP, it was in 83-84 on the French Mag "Hebdogiciel": they are all scanned on the web if you want to verify...at this time I was on my Speccy (with no WIMP) and I guess you were not born.
At first, I wanted to believe you, I don't pretend to know the truth, but you were not able to show me, and you insist without any proof. I guess you're some kind of lamer (like we called them in the eighties) but at least... congrats for your 2 tutorial vids.
gibs2b 1 year ago
@TheFri13 Gnome or others Window Manager like Window Maker...
gibs2b 1 year ago
Nextstep looks about 10 years ahead of its time
joekiser 1 year ago 63
So does Xerox Star.
paraplegicracehorse 1 year ago
@joekiser that s because Steve Jobs is fucking amazing.
chantinginmysleep 1 year ago
@joekiser That's just because you didn't see enough of Amiga OS, nextstep is a nothing more then a direct clone of Amiga OS.
hectorae86 1 year ago
@hectorae86 Nextstep was even created on a machine (the Nextcube) with almost identical hardware to that of the Amiga (Motorola 68000 processor)
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freeeeeemusic 1 year ago
slides go by to fast to read caption and look at picture.
KMSalex 1 year ago
You missed a few important like CDE or OSx 10.5/10.6, but nice footage whatever.
cybercow222 1 year ago
Yeah and also TWM (the historical gui from X1)
crowfaceltd 1 year ago
Someone has noticed the "Start" button in Xerox Alto? :P
and wow for the fake windows 7 screenshot! :D
MrShoy 2 years ago
Daaad! I want a Mac OS System 1.0 !!!!!!
blablablacoco6 2 years ago
I LOL'D when I saw Windwos 7.
RPCJerkobi 2 years ago
It might have been nice to include the Commodore 64 GUI (pre-Amiga) and the Apple II.x GUI's like the Apple IIc, etc... Very nice video though.
chart3 2 years ago
I grow up with linux :X then now I use win vista
I like linux so much than win
Moto4Everr 2 years ago
Windows 7 doesn't look like that, you know that right? Look up some real screen shots.
BorkGonsam 2 years ago 27
@BorkGonsam
its a theme for windows 7
search for it
odair96 1 year ago
@odair96 Actually that is concept art.
Windows 7 didnt come out of Beta until October 09, nobody made themes before December 09 and since this is video is dated July 09, that means the picture is older, meaning you just made up that excuse to sound like you knew more about windows 7, but I have been using this since the Pre-betas of 2008, i know more than you by 40 fold little cock muncher
BorkGonsam 1 year ago
mine does....
rutzen21 11 months ago
@rutzen21 congratulations?
thork420gonsam 11 months ago
Both Nextstep and OS X look way prettier than the stuff before them.
ufee 2 years ago 3
Nextstep became Mac OSX, but BEOS was almost Mac OSX, but palm bought Be INC.
commodore256 2 years ago
Erm... that screenshot of "KDE 4.0" was actually KDE 4.2...
KDE 4.3 rocks by the way.
Keruaran 2 years ago
@Keruaran yeah kde 4.3.4 is DA BOMB!
thecompans 2 years ago
4.4 is looking super awesome as well.
Keruaran 2 years ago
I'm surprised that Windows NT or 2000 didn't make it in. For Windows while it did look the same, it was significant for Window's evolution from becoming reliant on DOS like Windows 9x and 3.x was.
Firestorm2900 2 years ago
@Firestorm2900: Because this is a video about the evolution of the graphical user interface, which, as you say, didn't change significantly with Windows NT or 2000.
FrancescoK 2 years ago
Very cool video. My first GUI is win95, and second is KDE x.x. Now, the console interface cost my most time because embedded programming...
airyman 2 years ago
Why there is a gap of 5 years between 2002-2007. There should be a reference in Compiz and Aero.
I guess they are pretty impressive and it would be interesting to be included in the comparison.
mydimle 2 years ago
@mydimle Aero came with Windows Vista (OS was NT v.6.0) and it is shown there. Compiz came 2003 but it did not belong to any desktop environment and you could not use it alone as window manager (even Compiz is such) like OpenBox. The Compiz-Fusion does not belong to GNOME, KDE SC or any other and it does not bring any UI itself.
TheFri13 1 year ago
Geoworks Ensemble was the best.
bimhimbim 2 years ago
Wot no fvwm and fvwm2 ? :-)
Seriously though, an interesting retrospective!
csamuel01 2 years ago
Noooo, you missed out RISC OS! :(
Still, great video otherwise.
BlueLightning1 2 years ago
Awesome! I finally have the year that I started with linux! (I bought Red Hat and SuSE at Best Buy.
At least one of them was running GNOME 1.0, I think RH.
I went to SuSE because of a resolution issue with X that I couldn't solve at the time.
I was in text mode for the most part, and played Quake and emulators.
Looking back, Linux has always been easier than Windows to install(ever try to re-install Windows 95?), inital setup was the issue...
TheGzeus 2 years ago