@KennyTew2 I think you misunderstand me. Let's just say hypothetically there is no infinite source to the definable universe, just by the wind always blowing off my yarmulke means it would be foolish not to find something that will prevent it from always flying off. the wind is communicating that it will blow it off if I choose to not have something hold it. therefore, there is communication going on, but of course I understand the communication is with the source of all definable things.
Can God talk if he wanted to? He used to, right? Perhaps it could be argued he only used angels or something -- like a rudimentary social networking. But What I want to know is what's the big idea here? Am I the only one that thinks the story is... a little... strange. There's this fight between good and evil. Very Hollywood. The bad guys are super bad guys and the good guys are super good. It's like a movie. God's trying to help people, but he never tells us anything directly. Whats the deal?
sssss..... a poet can be falsified, observed. Much like the art created by the artist arguement. we can see the artist. God and your experience with him is subjective. I can show you many cases of people having their "hats" blown off, but you can't put the test into control and variable groups on how it fell off(unless you're testing the wind). But, you should enjoy the "hat"(and yes, I know what it is and means).
the realistic relationship to have with god is letting a psychiatrist get you rid of the god delusion
you seriously think the omnipotent being controlling the entire universe will blow off your tiny hat but wouldn't stop a drunk bastard hit on the break to not drive over 2 4 year old girls?
or he would show you how to calm down in a situation but not prevent a war to happen?
egoistic much? egocentric much? delusional even more?
there's only one slight problem it what you said; you say atheists are free to beleive what we want. But that is not atheism, atheism is the absence of a beleif. Atheism is a way a seeing life as life. We simply live and do not attempt to acces an after-life as there is no true proof there is any. however, as an atheist, i do not condone the beleifs of others and I think that as long as it does not cause harm to others (like a genocide or otherwise) people should be able to beleive wat they want
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." ~Stephen F Roberts
Talking to God is like in prayer. When we pray to God about problems in our life, he tells us that he will take care of us. Why do you need that thing on your head anyway?
Yes, God has humor. He must find it really funny little kids die of disease. It must be hysterical that women get raped and people starve and suffer each day. Yet with all these things, he has time to blow some fabric off your head to let you know to pin it up next time. Makes perfect sense. Hahaa, so humorous he is.
the wind blows all the time sometimes its strong sometimes its a little whisper so i don't know what lead you to believe this it makes no sense and what atheist fears a theist?
the wind blows all the time sometimes its strong sometimes its a little whisper so i dont know what lead you to believe this it makes no sense and what atheist fears a theist?
i pissed into the wind yesterday and the wing gusted and sprayed it back on my leg. Clearly God was telling me to piss downwind from now on. Thanks for clafifying that for me. and does this mean that when i wake up with a headache after a night on drunken fun that fun is evil? obviously you know God alot better than anyone else who hasn't seen him (everyone). And i see what you mean about our actions talk to god: he speaks sign language! thanks dude!
This Guy actually belives that God caused a wind at that presice moment just so he would have an epiphany? Get real dude. I bet U could go around all day making up reasons for why U dropped Ur cereal or tripped on the curb so that it could fit in with Ur deluded mind thinking God is talking to U. Babies are born mentaly retarded and or deformed because God Loves us sooooo Much!
Watching this video made me even more sure that God is a creation of man, what I call "realizing something" you call "talking to God". No need fighting wars over it.
Where did this happen, if it was in a major city then it wouldn't be that odd, in fact a similar thing happened to me, except it was fliers for my haunted house that blew away. You know what I took that as a sign of, the wind was blowing slightly harder than my grip on the flier.
I kind of want to punch nuns in the face... do you think that's weird?
@Jonstern1983 You are right - it is not odd but you were not looking at the whole picture - that would be G-d telling you next time hold on to your papers better - that simple. Every moment G-d is speaking - if he stopped speaking, we would cease to exist. Weird is not the right word, wrong would be. I don't agree with Chrisitinity, but they do not deserve to be punched.
@Zeitzchaim I never said that she deserved to be punched (though some nuns definitely do), I said I had the desire to punch her.
Also, it could have been a god telling me to keep a loose grip because later that evening of the 10 people who picked up the fliers 8 showed up with groups to the haunted house. Then again you could just be looking for meaning in pretty shards of glass. If you drop a glass bottle and it shatters, it does look beautiful, but that doesn't mean it means anything.
@zeitzchaim idiot your god cant talk to you,hes a made up character made up by man just like superman,i cant say i talked to superman they dont exist..
mate, you seem like a cool guy. Dont get dragged down in the Religion vs Atheists battle. both sides have their merrits (and faults) but generally most arguments are a waste of time and have no real value. Stay cool man
Sooo....the wind blows your beanie off.....you see a Nun and that's a sign from a deity???? Pretty lame.
Was she a real Nun going about her daily business or did your god create her on the spot just for you to see? Did you need supplies at Office Max or did the great puppeteer lead you there against your will?
Ummmm.....what if you had seen a midget insteat, would that be an entirely different message? ROFL!
So God decide to pay special attention to you at Office Max by blowing off your silly hat but God will not give starving children in Africa the time of day?
@adobePC They are obviously starving for a reason, and that means G-d is telling us to help them, but know one will listen other than angilina joley :P
mate, you seem like a cool guy. Dont get dragged down in the Religion vs Atheists battle. both sides have their merrits (and faults) but generally most arguments are a waste of time and have no real value. Stay cool man
@Zeitzchaim are you making a joke of starving children in Africa? it's a comfortable position you're in, able to be sure there is a God working for you while you enjoy your luxuries, able to make light of others suffering. if you think this was set up by someone, is this really an entity you want to worship? guessing from your jokes about starvation, i wouldn't be surprised.
@Zeitzchaim I think actually helping them with his "divine power" would be much more affective than tell "us" to help them. You sound like you're only trying to rationalize something that doesn't fit into your beliefs.
@Zeitzchaim so god fuks them up so that you can train ur ethics? If that's true, ur god is not a god one should pray to. It's a god one should fear...
@Zeitzchaim@Zeitzchaim What incredible arrogance assuming that perfectly natural events are contrived for your benefit, Can’t god just walk up to you like a real person and say “get a new hat?” Why can’t god give a clearer message? Perhaps Allah was telling you to abandon your Judaism, Perhaps the wind was the swish of Thor’s hammer as he sends a shot across your bow for worshiping the wrong god? Maybe the message was more obscure, Hat’s off to wind, surely that means...
2) you should congratulate anyone who farts near you, isn’t it obvious? Perhaps it was a challenge, with the wind representing the worlds poverty, can’t you see it? No good Jew should rest until the wind is gone? Or perhaps the wind was the product of the sun heating the air causing convection currents which interact with the spin of the earth to cause your hat to blow off and no one made it happen and the universe isn’t about you. Perhaps the reason why everyone of faith has a god who....
3) agrees with them, regardless of their view, is because they made him up?
God has a great sense of humour; he sets it up so that half the world is starving to teach me a lesson. Couldn't he say, "Oi, Kenny Share!"? And not make millions die horribly? I wonder how many people had to die of starvation before the infastructure was put in place for us to be able to help? Thousands of generations killed so he can waggle his finger now?
Poems don’t give birth, what a stupid thing to say.
@KennyTew2 You are reading too much into it. just my yarmulke being blown off too many times is enough said that I need some pins to prevent the wind from blowing it off constantly. It is the most natural way G-d can talk to us.
@Zeitzchaim so what I basicly understand from what you are saying is that god is making them starving to make us learn a lesson to listen to him?!? What a f*cking douchbag don't you think?
@adobePC G-d does pay attention to those starving in africa. How? We here in the coutries that have an abundance of food could share it. It takes us to recpognize G-d gave us the resources to refine this world. G-d is always giving his creations attention, but we need to hear it and interact with it, ie sharing starving people the food tha G-d has allowed us to have.
@Zeitzchaim I like how you added in your video description 'I understand he is an atheist' when you clearly address Edward as a christian in your video. Its clear that you have added the description after making the video. Hee hee You were "EDtrolled"
Have you ever heard of wind generation? Wind is the movement of air over the surface of land or water. This movement is affected by many different things, but the largest factor is heat convection. The largest factors affecting heat convection are the elevation and the sun. Wind is basically moving air.
Convection is when warm air rises and cold air sinks in a cycle of heating and cooling. Put simply, convection doesn't make the wind, convection is the wind.
@masonbowen Um yeah, I've taken science classes, and as well learned heat convection in my EMT class, so no need to explain the science of the building we call the universe....in which has a builder, thank you for telling me the obvious.
@Zeitzchaim If u understand heat convection occam's razor takes care of the "builder" because you don't need him to move air from low to high air pressure just as GM doesn't need to order gremlins 4 their engines 2 break like clockwork! LOL! Do u have any other "experiences" of imaginary beings talking to you?! BTW yamakas are the coolest! congrats, yours looks especially great! That's about the only reason I would ever even consider joining a religion: cool headgears, music & architecture!
@lpszOxFFFF no you misunderstnad, I do not hear voices, I merely know that the effects that take place from the causes is G-d talking, How do I know? because if there is a builder there is a building. the building says litterally I have a builder just by being a structure, done deal. that and a jew is not suppose to believe in just anything only when everyone hears it. .stop being lazy and read the other comments for my proofs, and if you don't like religion then don't be apart of one, duh!
lol Nice Yamaka. where do you get thoes? Jews R Us? Hahaha! You can take a joke right? We are all our own people and we all love comedy. We have to be made fun of sometimes though. I am an atheist devil and i am here to suck your blood! XD Really though howd Moses like those macaroni necklaces at Jew-Balee?
I hope you're a satirist too, because you're really funny! I especially liked the bit about God's breaking wind on your head. Maybe it's a sign you should be more like Edward. lol
I don't say that Darwin or biological science or anything else is the trough. But it speaks more to it then the clear fascination, in present, over my own being and it's integration with it's surroundings.
And like I said before. The summation of all wrongs in history by religion as a power tool to control a group of people. So many false prophets... or what you call them. They are to many for me to believe in G-d (what is it with 'o' thing anyway?) and the fight over holy places. Israel?
BTW: Sorry for all my grammatical faults, I don't have English as my native language and I'm dyslectic. Must be Satan (The angel of death) that are testing my will to do good.
@goto666goto666 "be Satan (The angel of death) that are testing my will to do good." Acording to Judaism satan works for G-d, his Job is imprortant for our goal. We do not believe in an eternal hell, that is chrisitians.
@goto666goto666 "So many false prophets... or what you call them. They are to many for me to believe in G-d" Why do you need a prophet to believe in a creator? as well, there is no way to know the unfathomable creator, but that does not mean there is no way to understnad that there is an unfathomable infinite creator.
@Zeitzchaim "Why do you need .... infinite creator."
Yes, it's very easy to "understand" that we create, therefor someone has to have created us, but the history doesn't reflect that.
If G-d exist... good then. But why go into that assumption, it hasn't seemed to get humans in the right direction. And why exclude other possibilities of our existence, just because we creates buildings and we easier can relate to the creator?
@goto666goto666 "And why exclude other possibilities of our existence, just because we creates buildings and we easier can relate to the creator?" Because me personally, I believe if there is a structure, there is a constructor. I feel that other possibilities such as the universe always being around does not sound as logical to me as the idea of a creator, and from what I have studied and put together myself through obseration and experience, Judaism historically, to me seems accurate.
@Zeitzchaim " I feel that other possibilities such as the universe always being around does not sound as logical to me as the idea of a creator, and from what I have studied and put together myself through obseration and experience, Judaism historically, to me seems accurate.."
Who created the creator? No one? So G-d has been around for all time? You get the same results... In the sense your see science proclaim history of universe. When we discuss universe I must ask. How old is the Earth?
@goto666goto666 Don't many scientists claim the universe is infinite, that it has been around for all time, or that it has always been here, imploding then exploding? if the universe has always existed, then why can't the same be applied to the creator. the only difference is that before time, the creator was the only thing existing
@goto666goto666 "Did he create himself?" What about the universe did it create itself? If G-d created the "space" for "creation" to "form" for "action" to happen (the four worlds/filters/ordimensions) G-d is not apart nor effecte by it, thus G-d is not bound by time and space. Just like you are not bound to your "ideas" I.E." when you come up with an idea (space), then think about the idea (creation) then form the idea (build it) then use it (action) you are not affected by it. Make sence?
@Zeitzchaim "What about the universe did it create itself?" That was not the thing I try to enlightenment here. I don't have a full belief of universe finity or it's origin. You have said. "Nothing comes from thin air. Creation equals Creator". I don't see that as logical. And I don't see space, time dimension relevant to the assumption of "Creation equals Creator". Infinity in some dimension doesn't exclude G-d-s Creator. Infinity in all dimension exclude existence of all but G-d.
Creation equals Creator == G-d is a creation. And because 2!=1 G-d must have created himself. That leads back to the creation. What is the possibilities of self creation when time is infinity?
@goto666goto666 "Creation equals Creator == G-d is a creation. And because 2!=1 G-d must have created himself. That leads back to the creation. What is the possibilities of self creation when time is infinity?"
No. G-d is not a creation, creation does not = creator, creation means there is a creator, a building means there is a builder. the universe is perfectly structured for there not to be a creator.
@Zeitzchaim "No. G-d is not a creation" Nothing pops out of thin air.
"creation means there is a creator, a building means there is a builder." So we are not creators?
"the universe is perfectly structured for there not to be a creator." Was universe here before G-d? And what is G-d-s meaning if everything is perfect? It's taken care of it self.
@goto666goto666 "So we are not creators?" I never said we weren't. ""the universe is perfectly structured for there not to be a creator." Was universe here before G-d? "
How do you put together in that phrase you quoted of mine that I mean "the universe was here before G-d." Did I say he created us to be perfect,? No he perfectly created us to work towards perfection, and from the way the human society is going, we obviously are getting closer to perfection I.E. the industrial age.
@Zeitzchaim If the universe(s) always has existed (you know a universe "falls apart" (The Big Rip) and a new one is "born" of the remaining atoms from the first one) then you don´t need a creator as such.
@Nekhet How do we know the universe has always existed.....and being that if the universe has always existed, if G-d always existed, then you prove my point that G-d does not need a creator, to prove the universe was not always here, we can trace it back to the big bang, when everything was just nothing and then exploded into "light" eventualy densing up and forming matter
@Zeitzchaim Everything was not just "nothing". The Big Bang occured when atoms (hydrogen I believe it was) collided and released a great amount of energy and newly "created" atoms. Many scientists believe that there were and are many universes than just this one, and when those universes dies, sort of speak, then their remaining atoms can create new universes. If this is a process that has always existed and there really has´nt been a "beginning" of such then there don´t need to be a creator.
@Nekhet How do we know there does not need to bea creator, and how do we know there were many uiverses before this. The Jewish bible does talk about worlds (universes before this) but it was created and destroyed by G-d
@Zeitzchaim Simple answer: We don´t. The human mind don´t understand everything and we probably never will fully.
To believe that the universe was created by an intelligent being is almost the same as saying that intelligence is the most important thing to living creatures. It´s a very humanlike thinking.
And if there is a god-like creator who can know for sure that it´s the Abrahemic god that is real??
@Nekhet We don't know if the Judaism is the correct religion, all we know is that an entire nation not only talked directly to G-d but has saved them on numerous occasions throughout the centuries the most recent one being the holocaust, an attempted extermination of all Jews, and in every extermiation that takes place, it has aleways failed, that is all we know, but we wait and still so for the absolute truth to be revaeled. we wait by following what our ansestors were told to follow...
@Nekhet And if it wasn't for G-d, there wouldn't be the other forces to save us. "why would your god allow over 6 million people to die before it/he even bothered to save them??" The answer is the hardships that the children of israel go through, are for the purpose that no matter what, we'll never stop believing in G-d, thanking him for the good and the bad, which eventually the other nations will say "after all they have been through, they still praise him" and thus world recognition of G-d.
@Zeitzchaim Hmm... To me it sounds like the words coming from a child who has been almost beaten to death by it´s parents but still claims to love them. Eventhough the child loves them it doesn´t mean they have´nt done anything wrong......
Anyway; why do you write god with G-d?? Is there any particulary reason for that??
@Nekhet The only difference between the abuse of a parent and G-d is that one is out of selfish anger, the other is for selfless teaching to a child who is that stubborn. after all he has doen for us, and what we witnesses and we still questioned him and demoralized ourselves, but nevertheless we still have a mission to accomplish, no matter how long it takes for the children of israel to learn and then be an example. continued
@Nekhet continued... G-d's commands are that hard, and if a lowly nation like us can accompish such a task, it would not be for our glory, but foe G-d's glory. If we can accomplish such a thing it is the proof that after allthe hardships, we still followed G-'ds commands. the hyphen or blank in any reference to the unfathomable creator is for respect of his name/s in which is the only thing we know him by (the G-d of mercy, the G-d of infinite wisdom etc).
@Nekhet It´s basically the great headcracker: Which came first the hen or the egg?? No one can really answer that.... But pantheists could very well say that if the universe is eternal then the creating power or whatever they believe in be eternal too, yes.
@goto666goto666 i feel the structure of a human body is too complex to have been created by itself, or the universe. the universe is bound by place and time and infinite dimensions that we cannot fathom. the limits the universe presents, (time and space) means it is not the highest source, for only something truly infinte has no boundaries, no limits, something that is the start to multiplicity.
@Zeitzchaim "the universe is bound by place and time and infinite dimensions that we cannot fathom. " What is the development of M-theory?
"i feel the structure of a human body is too complex to have been created by itself".
We are very indoctrinated with the belief of an central ruler so it becomes hard to believe in other possibilities. Example, what comes first? Independent villages or a central government?
@goto666goto666 "(what is it with 'o' thing anyway?) and the fight over holy places. Israel?" "Hear O israel the lord is our G-d, the lord is one" Meaning listen children of Israel (the father of the nation) the lord is our provider, the lord is inseparably unified, no split like that of a trinity, he is the "zero point" of all multiplicity. The fight over the holy place is for the only place where the Jews will not be afflicted by the other nations. every other place has kicked us out.
@goto666goto666 "You are right, nothing pops out of thin air. But time, matter and randomization isn't thin air." so by saying "time, matter and randomization isn't popping out of thin air" you are saying they were created? becuase if they were not created, then they did pop out of thin air, according to that logic.
@goto666goto666 "We can assume that something is build if it is a collection of things that we usually don't find natural in nature." And how do you logically come up with the difference between the structure of a tree and the structure of a man made building? If you never met the builder, how can you assume just like the complexity of a tree or human body, that there is any difference with that of a man made building? the answer is there is no difference, they both ae set structures.
@Zeitzchaim "And how do you logically... difference ... tree ... and a man made building?" The absence of knowing it's creation. Could it be so that we don't have a creator? That we are creation and creator yourself and so are all living things. Let us take politics. We believe we need a head. A central leader. Allot of Anarchism don't think that. If we for example, granulate the ruling we will eventually hit the grass root. Think in cells in that aspect.
For the Jew we have no apologetics for G-d speaking to us all at one time as a person does when speaking to a crowd of people. they all hear and witness the same thing at the same time, and there is no question about the event because everyone witnessed the conversation between them and the speaker. We are not chosen because we are better then the gentiles. we were chosen because we were the lowliest nation, and if we can accomplish such a thing, it would be for his glorification not ours.
Building equals builder, nothing pops out of thin air.
let me ask the common atheists here a question: Do you believe love exists? if so, how do you know it exists if you cannot see it? because you can feel it? so when you see a building how do you know it was built? because you can understand that dispite not seeing the builder, you know by common sence it was built. G-d transends the sight of the building, therefore you see him in the manifestation of the building. You all utterly fail.
Say my weigh is 264 pounds and I suddenly decided to cut down on m eating. Later that weak I hear my stomach growls 'Sooonn'. I try to neglect it but ones more it came, more clearer. 'Eaat'. It was god who spooked through my stomach. I went ordering a pizza and when it came. Guess what! The olives on the pizza (5 of them) one in the middle and the other on the sides, formed a cross. Good has such a humor! And from that day I will not cut down on food because God ...
@goto666goto666 yep sarcasm. Not once do i mention anything unnatural......just saying, people like you are blind to the fact that G-d acts through nature, he is revealed in the most natural way, and the fat within your brain is overcrouding your common sence.
in this case this obviously is common for the onyl existance is the builder, the building is the manfestation of the builder's will, without him wanting it, it would not exist. All is G-d and G-d is above it (in status). He is the infinite constantly speaking (waves) the finite into existance. The norm (being the majority of humans even if following blindly or are just have the wrong idea about the creator based on what one man has said he witnessed) believe in a creator.
@Zeitzchaim continued...thus having value to it. Common sence says a building cannot built itself, and if you say so, you are stupid.....that's the truth.
yeah, i know what you are going to say? then who created G-d? Let me ask you then, who created the universe? your responce would be it is infinite, it has no beginning nor an end, it has always been here. The thing is you have the responce backwards...it is G-d who is infinite, and we who are finite.
@goto666goto666 the fact that my hat did fly off is the utter proof of a creator, you are just blind to see it! I can understand the intelligent atheist, but the common atheist such as yourself has no real questio, you only have an absolute denial and that is a problem. At least an intellectual atheist is a truth seeker, not an absolute denier. The intelligen atheist is without a personal G-d, who does not deny a creator, but does not say there is one either, he simply wants to start from ...
@Zeitzchaim but does not say there is one either, he simply wants to start from ...continued: he simply wants to start from from scrah based on what we do know, and build from that knowledge to find the truth. I pity you, for you have no common sence. You are ready to be absolute on your denial without a question in your mind that there is a builder for a building. I was an atheist at one point, an intelligent atheist, and I found the truth, a truth that a whole entire nation witnessed
@Zeitzchaim Haha, it falling of 10-20times a day and just ones the wind blows it of and you see a cross, in a world that is full of crosses. I'm wondering who has a blind belief. As a matter of fact I have been religious. But I question my belief, looked at what had been caused and found out that it doesn't have any thing that speaks for it.
@goto666goto666 The difference is, it was a nun who walked in once I looked down. I have not seen one before in my life except for the movies. That's what makes it not a common incident.Second, why can't you spell, nor use proper grammer? I woud take you more serious if you acted smart. An agnostic is someone who chooses to be in the middle no sides, an intelligent atheist is one without a personal G-d and thus starts to search for the truth based on what he does know and...continued
@goto666goto666 .continued: and (the intelligent atheist) never disclaims the possibility of there being a creator, only that he is without one AKA: "A - Theist" without - a G-d, a personal G-d. His whole purpose is to search for the truth without any biasness, thus the fact he has no personal G-d, but yet does not exclude and starts from scratch. An agnostic says "I do not know" the difference being he does not go away from a personal G-d to seek truth, but also is not close to the idea either.
@Zeitzchaim Yes, we don't know everything. If we should be strict we can say we don't know anything. And I haven't said that God doesn't exists. I have only said that your hat thing isn't a prof because and I showed that on the lowest level I actually should do. ....
We can observe what the big religions has done to spread iit words.... and it's not a beauty. Why should you believe in a God where it's followers raise war. A God In dominance. A sadistic God. Include Judaism.
@goto666goto666 It actually does prove everything, it just depends how you view it.
second, have you ever had a Jew come up to you and try to convert you? The answer I already know is no. Why? Becasue our mission is not to convert you to us, it is to make you recongnize there is a builder for the building we call the universe. My Job is different then yours, thus I'm not gong to ask you to switch from being a lawyer to a doctor, we have two seperate roles in society.
@goto666goto666 "We can observe what the big religions has done to spread iit words.... and it's not a beauty. "
You are thinking of chrisitianity and islam, where they follow one man who says G-d talked to him, and kill those who don't believe he talked to G-d....that is called being crazy. A Jew has no reason for you to join our rellgion that consists of so many laws, that we know you will not be able to follow, so we rather protect it then have you destroy the values like the chstiains have.
@goto666goto666 "Why should you believe in a God where it's followers raise war." this is a fallacy. you answered your own question: it is man, not G-d. You do not have to be a part of a religion to know there is a constructor for the structure (involves chaos too) of the universe. Be a good person, and protect creation, this is your partnership with G-d, too take his creation and further it, like pizza, take his resources and create something better, that is your purpose in this world.
@goto666goto666 no it does not make me look stupid, it is fact....the distinction between the common atheist, and the intelligent atheist is one never disclaims the possibility of there being a creator, only that he is without one AKA: "A - Theist" without - a G-d, a personal G-d. His whole purpose is to search for the truth without any biasness, thus the fact he has no personal G-d, but yet does not exclude it from being possible. He only is wothout G-d in order to start from scratch.
@goto666goto666 a common atheist without a question only denies without recognizing the possibility. most atheists are a mix between common and intelligent, but then you have those (few) who are far too common and those who are (few) intellectual.
@Zeitzchaim "Common sense" is defined from a norm. Not logic, not global. By saying "Common sense" you are ignorant to the fact that my "Common sense" does not have to include yours.
And you are pointing out "intelligent atheist" like I deny a creator.
I don't. You make preconclusions. But I have already written that I don't deny a creator.
All this makes you look stupid.
Starts to wondering if you are repeating yourself to every atheist and doesn't truly reflecting on what they are saying.
@goto666goto666 ""Common sense" is defined from a norm. " You keep saying that, and I keep replying: Yes, that is why the norm are theists. You obviously do not know how to read and cleary need to go to school for grammer as the majority of your writing is crap. You are ignoring what I'm saying thus factually making you ignorant. "you are pointing out "intelligent atheist" like I deny a creator." Your context proves you are denying G-d by saying cause and effect does not prove a G-d.
@Zeitzchaim Hmm... seems like the "new" youtube is confusing me. By playing around with the view I see that I have missed some of your responses (more then one). Sorry for that, I will shortly come back to you when I have looked them thru....
@goto666goto666 "You make preconclusions. But I have already written that I don't deny a creator." Then what other way is there to prove G-d? None other than through cause and effect. Like science, you need a cause to have an effect, and to prove a theory the cause and effect need to be observed in a controlled environment. The fact that the initial cause (neutral from the latter) is the cause for the latter existence of the effects means everything after that (causes and effects) is proof.
@goto666goto666 "All this makes you look stupid" Not at all, I just proved to you on every case you pointed out that you were factually wrong. "Starts to wondering if you are repeating yourself to every atheist and doesn't truly reflecting on what they are saying." Nope, every arguement I make is different. Sometimes I will incorporate past thoughts, but it's to advance more current thoughts, thank you very much.
@Zeitzchaim Haha, it falling of 10-20times a day and just ones the wind blows it of and you see a cross, in a world that is full of crosses. I'm wondering who has a blind belief. As a matter of fact I have been religious. But I question my belief, looked at what had been caused in it's name and found out that it doesn't have any thing that speaks for it.
I'm not offended by your attempts to piss me off by trying to make acknowledgeable the fact that he is an atheist. after a million statements on this, the obvious was beat up to death, making everyone who restates this not only immature, but idiotic for the repetiton. Keep doing it, you are only wasting your own time. Me, I enjoy replying to illogical people, it gives me my fix.
Here's what the epiphany should have been: Why the fuck am I wearing a hat that isn't a hat, that doesn't stay on my head? Why would god tell his people to wear such s dumb ass hat? Just food for thought. I was going to say no offense, but your poem/poet comment just negated that and shows you ignorance. Glad to see you got pWn3d
So... let me get this straight... the wind blows, and you attribute it to God...
Uh huh...
One time, my car died just as a street light changed from red to green... and because it died, we didn't get struck by another vehicle that was speeding and ran his light. I attribute that to coincidence... a very fortunate coincidence... but a coincidence none the less... and you're converted by blowing wind...
Okay, after like months of too many people telling it was a satire.....don't you think I would get it by now, or are you too dumb......it was an honest mistake, get over it.
And I'm not a convert, I was born into a religious family, eventually became an atheist, than logically found my way back....the hat incident was one incident that was just an eye opener, I was already starting to come back to it......so stop being idiots.
@Zeitzchaim here is an idea. remove this video you dunce! if you don't want people to call you an idiot then removing the video which is the issue in the first place would solve that, would it not? i guess that is just too logical. have a problem, remove the issue, no more problem. hmmm, sounds perfectly idiotic doesn't it? DUH!
@bulletbikesyke69 because the video i feel makes a logical point, and i really do not care about biased opinions, i'm just stating the obvious.....it's been months since i created the video, one statement about his atheistic beliefs is enough, not a 1000, that is illogical of people to see others comments and still write the same thing....don't you think? but then again, no one likes to think above their own ego....and remember if there is a building there is a builder,
@Chaimzeitz I think my point was that you are reading too much into it by assuming the wind has a purposefully message, but thanks for responding.
KennyTew2 2 weeks ago
@KennyTew2 I think you misunderstand me. Let's just say hypothetically there is no infinite source to the definable universe, just by the wind always blowing off my yarmulke means it would be foolish not to find something that will prevent it from always flying off. the wind is communicating that it will blow it off if I choose to not have something hold it. therefore, there is communication going on, but of course I understand the communication is with the source of all definable things.
Chaimzeitz 2 weeks ago
Can God talk if he wanted to? He used to, right? Perhaps it could be argued he only used angels or something -- like a rudimentary social networking. But What I want to know is what's the big idea here? Am I the only one that thinks the story is... a little... strange. There's this fight between good and evil. Very Hollywood. The bad guys are super bad guys and the good guys are super good. It's like a movie. God's trying to help people, but he never tells us anything directly. Whats the deal?
anzwertree 3 weeks ago
All hail the Wind, almighty god!
BTW, I belive in god as well, but I call it nature...
NaitSSaN 2 months ago
sssss..... a poet can be falsified, observed. Much like the art created by the artist arguement. we can see the artist. God and your experience with him is subjective. I can show you many cases of people having their "hats" blown off, but you can't put the test into control and variable groups on how it fell off(unless you're testing the wind). But, you should enjoy the "hat"(and yes, I know what it is and means).
MrPhaedrusx 2 months ago
is this is a satire???
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the realistic relationship to have with god is letting a psychiatrist get you rid of the god delusion
you seriously think the omnipotent being controlling the entire universe will blow off your tiny hat but wouldn't stop a drunk bastard hit on the break to not drive over 2 4 year old girls?
or he would show you how to calm down in a situation but not prevent a war to happen?
egoistic much? egocentric much? delusional even more?
get a grip on reality
and talk more to real people
realbojay 6 months ago
Wooohoo district 9 Poster in the back ground ^_^
rommelfcc 6 months ago
ha ha boo
prrrang 7 months ago
there's only one slight problem it what you said; you say atheists are free to beleive what we want. But that is not atheism, atheism is the absence of a beleif. Atheism is a way a seeing life as life. We simply live and do not attempt to acces an after-life as there is no true proof there is any. however, as an atheist, i do not condone the beleifs of others and I think that as long as it does not cause harm to others (like a genocide or otherwise) people should be able to beleive wat they want
THEARBITER1236 8 months ago
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." ~Stephen F Roberts
unlyckystrike 9 months ago
Ignorant to the max!
humanist7117 9 months ago
God only showed himself in Bruce Almighty..
And little kids.. don't we know that movies aren't real?
Imjustalone1 10 months ago
Talking to God is like in prayer. When we pray to God about problems in our life, he tells us that he will take care of us. Why do you need that thing on your head anyway?
smurfboywv 10 months ago
No, you shouldn't fear us Atheists, and really speaking, nobody should fear anybody else.
VinnyMonster1 11 months ago
did you say your video was an "educational experience"?
whoa...
An0maly777 11 months ago
but you are saying the truth as an athiest i dont really care what you belive in but if you try and change me then i ge mad
fabledfighter 11 months ago
You my friend, have been trolled:3
mikstar890 11 months ago
Yes, God has humor. He must find it really funny little kids die of disease. It must be hysterical that women get raped and people starve and suffer each day. Yet with all these things, he has time to blow some fabric off your head to let you know to pin it up next time. Makes perfect sense. Hahaa, so humorous he is.
eatmemayne 11 months ago
Wow, Zeitzchaim, you really missed the satire in the video you're responding to.
ReklawLah 11 months ago
the wind blows all the time sometimes its strong sometimes its a little whisper so i don't know what lead you to believe this it makes no sense and what atheist fears a theist?
upthedownsterio 1 year ago
the wind blows all the time sometimes its strong sometimes its a little whisper so i dont know what lead you to believe this it makes no sense and what atheist fears a theist?
upthedownsterio 1 year ago
God isn't real. Theism is a mental illness. And here we have an example of this.
stepchangeable 1 year ago
i pissed into the wind yesterday and the wing gusted and sprayed it back on my leg. Clearly God was telling me to piss downwind from now on. Thanks for clafifying that for me. and does this mean that when i wake up with a headache after a night on drunken fun that fun is evil? obviously you know God alot better than anyone else who hasn't seen him (everyone). And i see what you mean about our actions talk to god: he speaks sign language! thanks dude!
ricktor002 1 year ago 7
This Guy actually belives that God caused a wind at that presice moment just so he would have an epiphany? Get real dude. I bet U could go around all day making up reasons for why U dropped Ur cereal or tripped on the curb so that it could fit in with Ur deluded mind thinking God is talking to U. Babies are born mentaly retarded and or deformed because God Loves us sooooo Much!
Urfullobull 1 year ago
Watching this video made me even more sure that God is a creation of man, what I call "realizing something" you call "talking to God". No need fighting wars over it.
BartvG88 1 year ago
Religion is a mental illness. Enough said.
wgordon8 1 year ago 23
@wgordon8 No, Religion is a way of life and a world view. And I'm an Atheist.
VinnyMonster1 11 months ago
@wgordon8
You got it right bro!
Imjustalone1 10 months ago
Where did this happen, if it was in a major city then it wouldn't be that odd, in fact a similar thing happened to me, except it was fliers for my haunted house that blew away. You know what I took that as a sign of, the wind was blowing slightly harder than my grip on the flier.
I kind of want to punch nuns in the face... do you think that's weird?
Jonstern1983 1 year ago 2
@Jonstern1983 You are right - it is not odd but you were not looking at the whole picture - that would be G-d telling you next time hold on to your papers better - that simple. Every moment G-d is speaking - if he stopped speaking, we would cease to exist. Weird is not the right word, wrong would be. I don't agree with Chrisitinity, but they do not deserve to be punched.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim I never said that she deserved to be punched (though some nuns definitely do), I said I had the desire to punch her.
Also, it could have been a god telling me to keep a loose grip because later that evening of the 10 people who picked up the fliers 8 showed up with groups to the haunted house. Then again you could just be looking for meaning in pretty shards of glass. If you drop a glass bottle and it shatters, it does look beautiful, but that doesn't mean it means anything.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@zeitzchaim idiot your god cant talk to you,hes a made up character made up by man just like superman,i cant say i talked to superman they dont exist..
jessalba2010 1 year ago
I understand why this guy mistook the spoof as real. Some Christians give BS arguments that are as bad or worse as satire!
mikeyo1234 1 year ago
hi my name is hindra shites and err...
christophermash 1 year ago
OMG a fucking terrorist somebody kill it!!!
MegaFrankification 1 year ago
Hello?? Have you heard of IRONY. You have just watched a SATIRE.
Does Jesus not speak to you?? A fellow Jew? His he dead to you ?
THis is SATIRE. It's an ironic reflection.
Your skullcap is preventing your brain from working.
THe epiphany you need is the one that tells you that you and those Christians are deluded.
The world is not a poem.
chazwyman 1 year ago
mate, you seem like a cool guy. Dont get dragged down in the Religion vs Atheists battle. both sides have their merrits (and faults) but generally most arguments are a waste of time and have no real value. Stay cool man
nuksucow1983 1 year ago
Sooo....the wind blows your beanie off.....you see a Nun and that's a sign from a deity???? Pretty lame.
Was she a real Nun going about her daily business or did your god create her on the spot just for you to see? Did you need supplies at Office Max or did the great puppeteer lead you there against your will?
Ummmm.....what if you had seen a midget insteat, would that be an entirely different message? ROFL!
Albtraumen 1 year ago
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LOL You are a moron.
mymojorisin 1 year ago
You're a fucking jew.
dovanian 1 year ago
People always say "I have to see it to believe it." They aproach it the wrong way, in my experience you "believe it and then see it."
Rubiconengineer 1 year ago
@Rubiconengineer ........well... what he look like.... anyway..
redred11212 1 year ago
@Rubiconengineer that's the type of logic Hitler used
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
So God decide to pay special attention to you at Office Max by blowing off your silly hat but God will not give starving children in Africa the time of day?
Are you an atheist pulling a joke?
adobePC 1 year ago 12
@adobePC They are obviously starving for a reason, and that means G-d is telling us to help them, but know one will listen other than angilina joley :P
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
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@Zeitzchaim
mate, you seem like a cool guy. Dont get dragged down in the Religion vs Atheists battle. both sides have their merrits (and faults) but generally most arguments are a waste of time and have no real value. Stay cool man
nuksucow1983 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim are you making a joke of starving children in Africa? it's a comfortable position you're in, able to be sure there is a God working for you while you enjoy your luxuries, able to make light of others suffering. if you think this was set up by someone, is this really an entity you want to worship? guessing from your jokes about starvation, i wouldn't be surprised.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim I think actually helping them with his "divine power" would be much more affective than tell "us" to help them. You sound like you're only trying to rationalize something that doesn't fit into your beliefs.
christhrasher 10 months ago
@Zeitzchaim so god fuks them up so that you can train ur ethics? If that's true, ur god is not a god one should pray to. It's a god one should fear...
JamesTR4 7 months ago
@Zeitzchaim @Zeitzchaim What incredible arrogance assuming that perfectly natural events are contrived for your benefit, Can’t god just walk up to you like a real person and say “get a new hat?” Why can’t god give a clearer message? Perhaps Allah was telling you to abandon your Judaism, Perhaps the wind was the swish of Thor’s hammer as he sends a shot across your bow for worshiping the wrong god? Maybe the message was more obscure, Hat’s off to wind, surely that means...
KennyTew2 3 weeks ago
2) you should congratulate anyone who farts near you, isn’t it obvious? Perhaps it was a challenge, with the wind representing the worlds poverty, can’t you see it? No good Jew should rest until the wind is gone? Or perhaps the wind was the product of the sun heating the air causing convection currents which interact with the spin of the earth to cause your hat to blow off and no one made it happen and the universe isn’t about you. Perhaps the reason why everyone of faith has a god who....
KennyTew2 3 weeks ago
3) agrees with them, regardless of their view, is because they made him up?
God has a great sense of humour; he sets it up so that half the world is starving to teach me a lesson. Couldn't he say, "Oi, Kenny Share!"? And not make millions die horribly? I wonder how many people had to die of starvation before the infastructure was put in place for us to be able to help? Thousands of generations killed so he can waggle his finger now?
Poems don’t give birth, what a stupid thing to say.
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@KennyTew2 You are reading too much into it. just my yarmulke being blown off too many times is enough said that I need some pins to prevent the wind from blowing it off constantly. It is the most natural way G-d can talk to us.
Chaimzeitz 2 weeks ago
@Zeitzchaim so what I basicly understand from what you are saying is that god is making them starving to make us learn a lesson to listen to him?!? What a f*cking douchbag don't you think?
The109926 1 week ago
@adobePC G-d does pay attention to those starving in africa. How? We here in the coutries that have an abundance of food could share it. It takes us to recpognize G-d gave us the resources to refine this world. G-d is always giving his creations attention, but we need to hear it and interact with it, ie sharing starving people the food tha G-d has allowed us to have.
Zeitzchaim 7 months ago
@adobePC He might actually be Jewish. But I'm guessing he's an Atheistic Jew and that Yes, he is kidding.
elgmalone 5 months ago
dude...you're a moron,,,,eds vids are jokes
sothis48 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim You DO realize that Edward Current is actually making fun of religion, right? He's a comedian. . .
Do yourself a favor and remove this video reply.
Cansololife 1 year ago 6
@Cansololife With all the views I'm getting......Fuck no, lol
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim 1,600 views in over a year...I think it's time to take Cansololife's advice.
AsSomedayItMayHappen 10 months ago
@Zeitzchaim ahhhhh and there is the religious greed we have all been waiting for
CGatorK 2 months ago
@Zeitzchaim I like how you added in your video description 'I understand he is an atheist' when you clearly address Edward as a christian in your video. Its clear that you have added the description after making the video. Hee hee You were "EDtrolled"
mikeet00n 1 year ago
haha i was like you till i realized he was making fun of the relisious
optimusripe 1 year ago
He he. Well done Ed. This fellas been trolled. Another one bites the crust :))
mikeet00n 1 year ago
Have you ever heard of wind generation? Wind is the movement of air over the surface of land or water. This movement is affected by many different things, but the largest factor is heat convection. The largest factors affecting heat convection are the elevation and the sun. Wind is basically moving air.
Convection is when warm air rises and cold air sinks in a cycle of heating and cooling. Put simply, convection doesn't make the wind, convection is the wind.
Was it really God? Or science?
masonbowen 1 year ago
@masonbowen Um yeah, I've taken science classes, and as well learned heat convection in my EMT class, so no need to explain the science of the building we call the universe....in which has a builder, thank you for telling me the obvious.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim If u understand heat convection occam's razor takes care of the "builder" because you don't need him to move air from low to high air pressure just as GM doesn't need to order gremlins 4 their engines 2 break like clockwork! LOL! Do u have any other "experiences" of imaginary beings talking to you?! BTW yamakas are the coolest! congrats, yours looks especially great! That's about the only reason I would ever even consider joining a religion: cool headgears, music & architecture!
lpszOxFFFF 1 year ago 2
@lpszOxFFFF no you misunderstnad, I do not hear voices, I merely know that the effects that take place from the causes is G-d talking, How do I know? because if there is a builder there is a building. the building says litterally I have a builder just by being a structure, done deal. that and a jew is not suppose to believe in just anything only when everyone hears it. .stop being lazy and read the other comments for my proofs, and if you don't like religion then don't be apart of one, duh!
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
lol Nice Yamaka. where do you get thoes? Jews R Us? Hahaha! You can take a joke right? We are all our own people and we all love comedy. We have to be made fun of sometimes though. I am an atheist devil and i am here to suck your blood! XD Really though howd Moses like those macaroni necklaces at Jew-Balee?
masonbowen 1 year ago
Oh man....
This guy fits all of the stereo types of a jewish person. LOL hahaha
poopzassshit 1 year ago
The SAME thing happened with my singles when I was walking into a gentlemen's club. Then I realized I need to get a money clip.
djheavywait 1 year ago
I hope you're a satirist too, because you're really funny! I especially liked the bit about God's breaking wind on your head. Maybe it's a sign you should be more like Edward. lol
dutoilette 1 year ago
You're right. God does have a funny sense of humor. Thousands of people killing in his name. Hilarious...
baldini08 1 year ago
I am not Jewish, and i was wondering what the Yakima (i hope i spelled that right) represents. what does it mean to wear it?
CottnCandyRainbow 1 year ago
@CottnCandyRainbow It is for us to remember that G-d is above us (in status).
MetalMusic91 1 year ago
Uggh....shut up and take your shirt off....sexy people can't be taken seriously.
ncPsychosis 1 year ago
@goto666goto666
.... Continue.
You are right, nothing pops out of thin air. But time, matter and randomization isn't thin air.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666
... Continue (3th time)
I don't say that Darwin or biological science or anything else is the trough. But it speaks more to it then the clear fascination, in present, over my own being and it's integration with it's surroundings.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666
... Continue (4th time)
And like I said before. The summation of all wrongs in history by religion as a power tool to control a group of people. So many false prophets... or what you call them. They are to many for me to believe in G-d (what is it with 'o' thing anyway?) and the fight over holy places. Israel?
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim
BTW: Sorry for all my grammatical faults, I don't have English as my native language and I'm dyslectic. Must be Satan (The angel of death) that are testing my will to do good.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "be Satan (The angel of death) that are testing my will to do good." Acording to Judaism satan works for G-d, his Job is imprortant for our goal. We do not believe in an eternal hell, that is chrisitians.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim I know. I have been reading about Judaisms view of Satan. Hmmm, have to give Judaism credit on that point.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "So many false prophets... or what you call them. They are to many for me to believe in G-d" Why do you need a prophet to believe in a creator? as well, there is no way to know the unfathomable creator, but that does not mean there is no way to understnad that there is an unfathomable infinite creator.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim "Why do you need .... infinite creator."
Yes, it's very easy to "understand" that we create, therefor someone has to have created us, but the history doesn't reflect that.
If G-d exist... good then. But why go into that assumption, it hasn't seemed to get humans in the right direction. And why exclude other possibilities of our existence, just because we creates buildings and we easier can relate to the creator?
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "And why exclude other possibilities of our existence, just because we creates buildings and we easier can relate to the creator?" Because me personally, I believe if there is a structure, there is a constructor. I feel that other possibilities such as the universe always being around does not sound as logical to me as the idea of a creator, and from what I have studied and put together myself through obseration and experience, Judaism historically, to me seems accurate.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim " I feel that other possibilities such as the universe always being around does not sound as logical to me as the idea of a creator, and from what I have studied and put together myself through obseration and experience, Judaism historically, to me seems accurate.."
Who created the creator? No one? So G-d has been around for all time? You get the same results... In the sense your see science proclaim history of universe. When we discuss universe I must ask. How old is the Earth?
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 Don't many scientists claim the universe is infinite, that it has been around for all time, or that it has always been here, imploding then exploding? if the universe has always existed, then why can't the same be applied to the creator. the only difference is that before time, the creator was the only thing existing
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim Yes, why not? But what about the Creator? Did he create himself? You know, nothing comes from thin air.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "Did he create himself?" What about the universe did it create itself? If G-d created the "space" for "creation" to "form" for "action" to happen (the four worlds/filters/ordimensions) G-d is not apart nor effecte by it, thus G-d is not bound by time and space. Just like you are not bound to your "ideas" I.E." when you come up with an idea (space), then think about the idea (creation) then form the idea (build it) then use it (action) you are not affected by it. Make sence?
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim "Just like you .... Make sense?" Yes. Like I'm sitting at my desk and drawing 2D shapes on a paper. Not hard to comprehend.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim "What about the universe did it create itself?" That was not the thing I try to enlightenment here. I don't have a full belief of universe finity or it's origin. You have said. "Nothing comes from thin air. Creation equals Creator". I don't see that as logical. And I don't see space, time dimension relevant to the assumption of "Creation equals Creator". Infinity in some dimension doesn't exclude G-d-s Creator. Infinity in all dimension exclude existence of all but G-d.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 @Zeitzchaim Continue..... Infinity in all dimension exclude existence of all but G-d.
Creation equals Creator == G-d is a creation. And because 2!=1 G-d must have created himself. That leads back to the creation. What is the possibilities of self creation when time is infinity?
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "Creation equals Creator == G-d is a creation. And because 2!=1 G-d must have created himself. That leads back to the creation. What is the possibilities of self creation when time is infinity?"
No. G-d is not a creation, creation does not = creator, creation means there is a creator, a building means there is a builder. the universe is perfectly structured for there not to be a creator.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim "No. G-d is not a creation" Nothing pops out of thin air.
"creation means there is a creator, a building means there is a builder." So we are not creators?
"the universe is perfectly structured for there not to be a creator." Was universe here before G-d? And what is G-d-s meaning if everything is perfect? It's taken care of it self.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "So we are not creators?" I never said we weren't. ""the universe is perfectly structured for there not to be a creator." Was universe here before G-d? "
How do you put together in that phrase you quoted of mine that I mean "the universe was here before G-d." Did I say he created us to be perfect,? No he perfectly created us to work towards perfection, and from the way the human society is going, we obviously are getting closer to perfection I.E. the industrial age.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "Infinity in some dimension doesn't exclude G-d-s Creator"
If G-d is the one who starts "creation" then he transends being created for it was his idea to "create".
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim If the universe(s) always has existed (you know a universe "falls apart" (The Big Rip) and a new one is "born" of the remaining atoms from the first one) then you don´t need a creator as such.
Nekhet 1 year ago
@Nekhet How do we know the universe has always existed.....and being that if the universe has always existed, if G-d always existed, then you prove my point that G-d does not need a creator, to prove the universe was not always here, we can trace it back to the big bang, when everything was just nothing and then exploded into "light" eventualy densing up and forming matter
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim Everything was not just "nothing". The Big Bang occured when atoms (hydrogen I believe it was) collided and released a great amount of energy and newly "created" atoms. Many scientists believe that there were and are many universes than just this one, and when those universes dies, sort of speak, then their remaining atoms can create new universes. If this is a process that has always existed and there really has´nt been a "beginning" of such then there don´t need to be a creator.
Nekhet 1 year ago
@Nekhet How do we know there does not need to bea creator, and how do we know there were many uiverses before this. The Jewish bible does talk about worlds (universes before this) but it was created and destroyed by G-d
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim Simple answer: We don´t. The human mind don´t understand everything and we probably never will fully.
To believe that the universe was created by an intelligent being is almost the same as saying that intelligence is the most important thing to living creatures. It´s a very humanlike thinking.
And if there is a god-like creator who can know for sure that it´s the Abrahemic god that is real??
Why not Osiris, Odin, Shiva, Zeus and etc. etc.??
Nekhet 1 year ago
@Nekhet We don't know if the Judaism is the correct religion, all we know is that an entire nation not only talked directly to G-d but has saved them on numerous occasions throughout the centuries the most recent one being the holocaust, an attempted extermination of all Jews, and in every extermiation that takes place, it has aleways failed, that is all we know, but we wait and still so for the absolute truth to be revaeled. we wait by following what our ansestors were told to follow...
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim Not to be rude, but was´nt it the Allied forces that brought Nazi Germany down and saved the people they were torturing and killing??
A human act and why would your god allow over 6 million people to die before it/he even bothered to save them??
Nekhet 1 year ago
@Nekhet And if it wasn't for G-d, there wouldn't be the other forces to save us. "why would your god allow over 6 million people to die before it/he even bothered to save them??" The answer is the hardships that the children of israel go through, are for the purpose that no matter what, we'll never stop believing in G-d, thanking him for the good and the bad, which eventually the other nations will say "after all they have been through, they still praise him" and thus world recognition of G-d.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim Hmm... To me it sounds like the words coming from a child who has been almost beaten to death by it´s parents but still claims to love them. Eventhough the child loves them it doesn´t mean they have´nt done anything wrong......
Anyway; why do you write god with G-d?? Is there any particulary reason for that??
Nekhet 1 year ago
@Nekhet The only difference between the abuse of a parent and G-d is that one is out of selfish anger, the other is for selfless teaching to a child who is that stubborn. after all he has doen for us, and what we witnesses and we still questioned him and demoralized ourselves, but nevertheless we still have a mission to accomplish, no matter how long it takes for the children of israel to learn and then be an example. continued
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Nekhet continued... G-d's commands are that hard, and if a lowly nation like us can accompish such a task, it would not be for our glory, but foe G-d's glory. If we can accomplish such a thing it is the proof that after allthe hardships, we still followed G-'ds commands. the hyphen or blank in any reference to the unfathomable creator is for respect of his name/s in which is the only thing we know him by (the G-d of mercy, the G-d of infinite wisdom etc).
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Nekhet witnessed -fixed-
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Nekhet It´s basically the great headcracker: Which came first the hen or the egg?? No one can really answer that.... But pantheists could very well say that if the universe is eternal then the creating power or whatever they believe in be eternal too, yes.
But you are not a pantheist or??
Nekhet 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 i feel the structure of a human body is too complex to have been created by itself, or the universe. the universe is bound by place and time and infinite dimensions that we cannot fathom. the limits the universe presents, (time and space) means it is not the highest source, for only something truly infinte has no boundaries, no limits, something that is the start to multiplicity.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
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@Zeitzchaim "the universe is bound by place and time and infinite dimensions that we cannot fathom. " What is the development of M-theory?
"i feel the structure of a human body is too complex to have been created by itself".
We are very indoctrinated with the belief of an central ruler so it becomes hard to believe in other possibilities. Example, what comes first? Independent villages or a central government?
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "(what is it with 'o' thing anyway?) and the fight over holy places. Israel?" "Hear O israel the lord is our G-d, the lord is one" Meaning listen children of Israel (the father of the nation) the lord is our provider, the lord is inseparably unified, no split like that of a trinity, he is the "zero point" of all multiplicity. The fight over the holy place is for the only place where the Jews will not be afflicted by the other nations. every other place has kicked us out.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "You are right, nothing pops out of thin air. But time, matter and randomization isn't thin air." so by saying "time, matter and randomization isn't popping out of thin air" you are saying they were created? becuase if they were not created, then they did pop out of thin air, according to that logic.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "We can assume that something is build if it is a collection of things that we usually don't find natural in nature." And how do you logically come up with the difference between the structure of a tree and the structure of a man made building? If you never met the builder, how can you assume just like the complexity of a tree or human body, that there is any difference with that of a man made building? the answer is there is no difference, they both ae set structures.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim "And how do you logically... difference ... tree ... and a man made building?" The absence of knowing it's creation. Could it be so that we don't have a creator? That we are creation and creator yourself and so are all living things. Let us take politics. We believe we need a head. A central leader. Allot of Anarchism don't think that. If we for example, granulate the ruling we will eventually hit the grass root. Think in cells in that aspect.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
Thank you for being one of million people not to hate atheism,
travos12345 1 year ago
@travos12345 Well I defininitely do not hate atheists, they helped me find my way back to Judaism.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
For the Jew we have no apologetics for G-d speaking to us all at one time as a person does when speaking to a crowd of people. they all hear and witness the same thing at the same time, and there is no question about the event because everyone witnessed the conversation between them and the speaker. We are not chosen because we are better then the gentiles. we were chosen because we were the lowliest nation, and if we can accomplish such a thing, it would be for his glorification not ours.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
Building equals builder, nothing pops out of thin air.
let me ask the common atheists here a question: Do you believe love exists? if so, how do you know it exists if you cannot see it? because you can feel it? so when you see a building how do you know it was built? because you can understand that dispite not seeing the builder, you know by common sence it was built. G-d transends the sight of the building, therefore you see him in the manifestation of the building. You all utterly fail.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
I totally undersand you.
Say my weigh is 264 pounds and I suddenly decided to cut down on m eating. Later that weak I hear my stomach growls 'Sooonn'. I try to neglect it but ones more it came, more clearer. 'Eaat'. It was god who spooked through my stomach. I went ordering a pizza and when it came. Guess what! The olives on the pizza (5 of them) one in the middle and the other on the sides, formed a cross. Good has such a humor! And from that day I will not cut down on food because God ...
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 yep sarcasm. Not once do i mention anything unnatural......just saying, people like you are blind to the fact that G-d acts through nature, he is revealed in the most natural way, and the fat within your brain is overcrouding your common sence.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim You doesn't say anything of value.
1) Unnatural is something that is not common. Fat people are pretty common.
2) Common sense. This words have no relevance, common sense is something that define by a norm and has no truth value to it.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666
in this case this obviously is common for the onyl existance is the builder, the building is the manfestation of the builder's will, without him wanting it, it would not exist. All is G-d and G-d is above it (in status). He is the infinite constantly speaking (waves) the finite into existance. The norm (being the majority of humans even if following blindly or are just have the wrong idea about the creator based on what one man has said he witnessed) believe in a creator.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim continued...thus having value to it. Common sence says a building cannot built itself, and if you say so, you are stupid.....that's the truth.
yeah, i know what you are going to say? then who created G-d? Let me ask you then, who created the universe? your responce would be it is infinite, it has no beginning nor an end, it has always been here. The thing is you have the responce backwards...it is G-d who is infinite, and we who are finite.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim
3) The fact... what?! Fact needs prof. That your hat went of is not a prof.
If it's windy and you have something that is pretty lose and light on your head it will probably blow of.
You can see crosses everywhere you turn and allot of people have crosses dangling from their necklace if you haven't notice.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 the fact that my hat did fly off is the utter proof of a creator, you are just blind to see it! I can understand the intelligent atheist, but the common atheist such as yourself has no real questio, you only have an absolute denial and that is a problem. At least an intellectual atheist is a truth seeker, not an absolute denier. The intelligen atheist is without a personal G-d, who does not deny a creator, but does not say there is one either, he simply wants to start from ...
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim but does not say there is one either, he simply wants to start from ...continued: he simply wants to start from from scrah based on what we do know, and build from that knowledge to find the truth. I pity you, for you have no common sence. You are ready to be absolute on your denial without a question in your mind that there is a builder for a building. I was an atheist at one point, an intelligent atheist, and I found the truth, a truth that a whole entire nation witnessed
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim Haha, it falling of 10-20times a day and just ones the wind blows it of and you see a cross, in a world that is full of crosses. I'm wondering who has a blind belief. As a matter of fact I have been religious. But I question my belief, looked at what had been caused and found out that it doesn't have any thing that speaks for it.
BTW: It's Agnostic, not Ateist.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 The difference is, it was a nun who walked in once I looked down. I have not seen one before in my life except for the movies. That's what makes it not a common incident.Second, why can't you spell, nor use proper grammer? I woud take you more serious if you acted smart. An agnostic is someone who chooses to be in the middle no sides, an intelligent atheist is one without a personal G-d and thus starts to search for the truth based on what he does know and...continued
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 .continued: and (the intelligent atheist) never disclaims the possibility of there being a creator, only that he is without one AKA: "A - Theist" without - a G-d, a personal G-d. His whole purpose is to search for the truth without any biasness, thus the fact he has no personal G-d, but yet does not exclude and starts from scratch. An agnostic says "I do not know" the difference being he does not go away from a personal G-d to seek truth, but also is not close to the idea either.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim Yes, we don't know everything. If we should be strict we can say we don't know anything. And I haven't said that God doesn't exists. I have only said that your hat thing isn't a prof because and I showed that on the lowest level I actually should do. ....
We can observe what the big religions has done to spread iit words.... and it's not a beauty. Why should you believe in a God where it's followers raise war. A God In dominance. A sadistic God. Include Judaism.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 It actually does prove everything, it just depends how you view it.
second, have you ever had a Jew come up to you and try to convert you? The answer I already know is no. Why? Becasue our mission is not to convert you to us, it is to make you recongnize there is a builder for the building we call the universe. My Job is different then yours, thus I'm not gong to ask you to switch from being a lawyer to a doctor, we have two seperate roles in society.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "We can observe what the big religions has done to spread iit words.... and it's not a beauty. "
You are thinking of chrisitianity and islam, where they follow one man who says G-d talked to him, and kill those who don't believe he talked to G-d....that is called being crazy. A Jew has no reason for you to join our rellgion that consists of so many laws, that we know you will not be able to follow, so we rather protect it then have you destroy the values like the chstiains have.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "Why should you believe in a God where it's followers raise war." this is a fallacy. you answered your own question: it is man, not G-d. You do not have to be a part of a religion to know there is a constructor for the structure (involves chaos too) of the universe. Be a good person, and protect creation, this is your partnership with G-d, too take his creation and further it, like pizza, take his resources and create something better, that is your purpose in this world.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim the pizza was just a simple example, not nessiarily do you have to make a pizza lol
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim The pizza example was just to show that your example doesn't show me (and allot of others) that you talk to god.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 BTW: Skip "Common sience" and "intelligent atheist". It just makes you look stupid.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 no it does not make me look stupid, it is fact....the distinction between the common atheist, and the intelligent atheist is one never disclaims the possibility of there being a creator, only that he is without one AKA: "A - Theist" without - a G-d, a personal G-d. His whole purpose is to search for the truth without any biasness, thus the fact he has no personal G-d, but yet does not exclude it from being possible. He only is wothout G-d in order to start from scratch.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 a common atheist without a question only denies without recognizing the possibility. most atheists are a mix between common and intelligent, but then you have those (few) who are far too common and those who are (few) intellectual.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim "Common sense" is defined from a norm. Not logic, not global. By saying "Common sense" you are ignorant to the fact that my "Common sense" does not have to include yours.
And you are pointing out "intelligent atheist" like I deny a creator.
I don't. You make preconclusions. But I have already written that I don't deny a creator.
All this makes you look stupid.
Starts to wondering if you are repeating yourself to every atheist and doesn't truly reflecting on what they are saying.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 ""Common sense" is defined from a norm. " You keep saying that, and I keep replying: Yes, that is why the norm are theists. You obviously do not know how to read and cleary need to go to school for grammer as the majority of your writing is crap. You are ignoring what I'm saying thus factually making you ignorant. "you are pointing out "intelligent atheist" like I deny a creator." Your context proves you are denying G-d by saying cause and effect does not prove a G-d.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim Hmm... seems like the "new" youtube is confusing me. By playing around with the view I see that I have missed some of your responses (more then one). Sorry for that, I will shortly come back to you when I have looked them thru....
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "You make preconclusions. But I have already written that I don't deny a creator." Then what other way is there to prove G-d? None other than through cause and effect. Like science, you need a cause to have an effect, and to prove a theory the cause and effect need to be observed in a controlled environment. The fact that the initial cause (neutral from the latter) is the cause for the latter existence of the effects means everything after that (causes and effects) is proof.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@goto666goto666 "All this makes you look stupid" Not at all, I just proved to you on every case you pointed out that you were factually wrong. "Starts to wondering if you are repeating yourself to every atheist and doesn't truly reflecting on what they are saying." Nope, every arguement I make is different. Sometimes I will incorporate past thoughts, but it's to advance more current thoughts, thank you very much.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
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@Zeitzchaim Zeitzchaim, what have you proven!
goto666goto666 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim Haha, it falling of 10-20times a day and just ones the wind blows it of and you see a cross, in a world that is full of crosses. I'm wondering who has a blind belief. As a matter of fact I have been religious. But I question my belief, looked at what had been caused in it's name and found out that it doesn't have any thing that speaks for it.
BTW: It's Agnostic, not Ateist.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
I'm not offended by your attempts to piss me off by trying to make acknowledgeable the fact that he is an atheist. after a million statements on this, the obvious was beat up to death, making everyone who restates this not only immature, but idiotic for the repetiton. Keep doing it, you are only wasting your own time. Me, I enjoy replying to illogical people, it gives me my fix.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
Here's what the epiphany should have been: Why the fuck am I wearing a hat that isn't a hat, that doesn't stay on my head? Why would god tell his people to wear such s dumb ass hat? Just food for thought. I was going to say no offense, but your poem/poet comment just negated that and shows you ignorance. Glad to see you got pWn3d
SecundiniusSineDei 1 year ago
I got 30 seconds into this vidoe, just to the part where he starts stuttering. Anyone make it further?
Reverend0Locrian 1 year ago
that guy clearly wasn't a Christian. He was making fun of Christianity....so....wat is this guy talking bout??
amdoll4life 1 year ago
hes not a christan dude read his channel he is mocking it
elvenyola 1 year ago
nice video.
bleaker84 1 year ago
ok?
:o
DavySigfusson 1 year ago
Zeitzchaim got TROLL'd!
Well done, Edward, I am impressed!
firefoxfag 1 year ago 7
Uhm
hetzr 1 year ago
So... let me get this straight... the wind blows, and you attribute it to God...
Uh huh...
One time, my car died just as a street light changed from red to green... and because it died, we didn't get struck by another vehicle that was speeding and ran his light. I attribute that to coincidence... a very fortunate coincidence... but a coincidence none the less... and you're converted by blowing wind...
To each there own I guess...
Masteroftheweb 1 year ago
Wow.
88mixa 1 year ago
Okay, after like months of too many people telling it was a satire.....don't you think I would get it by now, or are you too dumb......it was an honest mistake, get over it.
And I'm not a convert, I was born into a religious family, eventually became an atheist, than logically found my way back....the hat incident was one incident that was just an eye opener, I was already starting to come back to it......so stop being idiots.
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago
@Zeitzchaim here is an idea. remove this video you dunce! if you don't want people to call you an idiot then removing the video which is the issue in the first place would solve that, would it not? i guess that is just too logical. have a problem, remove the issue, no more problem. hmmm, sounds perfectly idiotic doesn't it? DUH!
bulletbikesyke69 1 year ago
@bulletbikesyke69 because the video i feel makes a logical point, and i really do not care about biased opinions, i'm just stating the obvious.....it's been months since i created the video, one statement about his atheistic beliefs is enough, not a 1000, that is illogical of people to see others comments and still write the same thing....don't you think? but then again, no one likes to think above their own ego....and remember if there is a building there is a builder,
Zeitzchaim 1 year ago