For some reason I was expecting the small pencil writing on the other bigger one, and has the same thing appear on itself, to have both writing on one another simultaneously, or maybe a loop/circle jerk (if you will) even three of them could make the successive causation on one while still the "effect" of another, and none would do it without the others. Is the CTMU providing the universe to have its cake and eat it too?
so the psychical world is drawing consciousness and in turn revealing itself? if that is the case, is chris saying that the physical world does not physically exist without consciousness and that math and science have reached a point that has not been drawn yet?
its hard not to think the small pencil was there the whole time, just revealling itself in consciousness through time, and chris is just not smart enough to do the math and science.
@michaelofGB45 you didn't have to tell it again because you haven't ever told it once, lol.
Anyway, this video suggests that it requires a conscious mind to create a beginning. Math and Science are both invented by the abstract mix of language and cognition. Nature doesn't require a driver to create itself, that's the main beauty of nature.
@michaelofGB45 I suppose I'd interpret this as meaning that the true reality (whatever that is) is interacting with itself by a natural process to separate and regroup into molecules, energy, matter, and living organisms. In the human brain then this reality creates our consciousness from itself, and our consciousness thereby colors in the universe with names, appearances, and opinions that orient our separate survival in this ongoing schism of reality's appearance into "selves" and "others."
This makes more sense than just about anything I've ever seen. Thank you. Even down to the point of the drawing pencil beginning by drawing the point of the drawn pencil, at the one point where drawing and drawn by definition unite. Good. Are there symbolic representations of this? I bet there are in higher logic and mathematics, right?
@wenaolong I suppose "super-tautologies" in high logic; true by virtue of their self-sameness. I'm not very well versed in the formalistic terminology though. In fact I think that might even be a term coined by Langan himself.
For some reason I was expecting the small pencil writing on the other bigger one, and has the same thing appear on itself, to have both writing on one another simultaneously, or maybe a loop/circle jerk (if you will) even three of them could make the successive causation on one while still the "effect" of another, and none would do it without the others. Is the CTMU providing the universe to have its cake and eat it too?
2ndhandsoul 2 months ago
Trippin'
nintram 5 months ago
@ion010101
Makes sense
danielned8 8 months ago
Anyone know where I can find a text explaining the CTMU?
QuotidianHegemony 1 year ago
@QuotidianHegemony Sure enough:
ctmu(dot)org/Articles/IntroCTMU(dot)htm
Enjoy!
RedHereAndNow 1 year ago
@QuotidianHegemony
bit(dot)ly/hNSr5A
that's the (shortened) link
RedHereAndNow 1 year ago
@RedHereAndNow Thanks a lot.
QuotidianHegemony 1 year ago
so the psychical world is drawing consciousness and in turn revealing itself? if that is the case, is chris saying that the physical world does not physically exist without consciousness and that math and science have reached a point that has not been drawn yet?
its hard not to think the small pencil was there the whole time, just revealling itself in consciousness through time, and chris is just not smart enough to do the math and science.
then again i'm not the smartest man in the world.
michaelofGB45 1 year ago
@michaelofGB45
Think opposite. Consciousness drawing the physical world. See quantum physics (double slit experiment)
MindEqualzBlown 1 year ago
@michaelofGB45 Neither is langan.
Delinexwow 11 months ago
@michaelofGB45 you didn't have to tell it again because you haven't ever told it once, lol.
Anyway, this video suggests that it requires a conscious mind to create a beginning. Math and Science are both invented by the abstract mix of language and cognition. Nature doesn't require a driver to create itself, that's the main beauty of nature.
UnforgivingCritic 11 months ago
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Pmitxki 9 months ago
@michaelofGB45 I suppose I'd interpret this as meaning that the true reality (whatever that is) is interacting with itself by a natural process to separate and regroup into molecules, energy, matter, and living organisms. In the human brain then this reality creates our consciousness from itself, and our consciousness thereby colors in the universe with names, appearances, and opinions that orient our separate survival in this ongoing schism of reality's appearance into "selves" and "others."
Pmitxki 9 months ago 2
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michaelofGB45 1 year ago
wow thanks
mannydegger 1 year ago
This makes more sense than just about anything I've ever seen. Thank you. Even down to the point of the drawing pencil beginning by drawing the point of the drawn pencil, at the one point where drawing and drawn by definition unite. Good. Are there symbolic representations of this? I bet there are in higher logic and mathematics, right?
wenaolong 1 year ago
@wenaolong I suppose "super-tautologies" in high logic; true by virtue of their self-sameness. I'm not very well versed in the formalistic terminology though. In fact I think that might even be a term coined by Langan himself.
bobsinnepalshekitout 1 year ago